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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today

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Speaker 4: we're going to be looking at another aspect of the

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Speaker 4: UFO phenomenon, namely cases of direct contact with alleged alien beings.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be speaking with Yvonne Smith about this.

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Speaker 4: She's a certified hypnotherapist who since nineteen ninety when she

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Speaker 4: first opened her office, began working with PTSD victims. Noticing

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Speaker 4: that many of her subjects were describing a pattern of

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Speaker 4: a close encounter experience. In nineteen ninety one, she founded zero,

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Speaker 4: the Close Encounter Resource Organization. This is a support group

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Speaker 4: which hosts monthly meetings for people who've had such experiences. Hi, Yvon,

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Speaker 4: how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Huh?

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Speaker 5: Hi Captain Ron, I'm doing great. Thank you for having

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Speaker 5: me on the show.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Of course I need to mention that in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty three you won the Lifetime Achievement Award at Contact

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Speaker 4: in the Desert for all your work in this area

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Speaker 4: helping people.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was such a highlight for me. I

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Speaker 5: will never forget it, and when I'm proud of it,

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Speaker 5: I tell everybody about it. So thank you again. I

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Speaker 5: love it.

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Speaker 4: Of course, that's awesome, well deserved. You started off helping

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Speaker 4: people with PTSD, and I think you were originally even

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Speaker 4: trying to help cancer patients when you first started off.

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Speaker 4: So how does it go from that to now you're

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Speaker 4: working with contact ees.

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Speaker 5: I had a very close uncle, like a big brother really.

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Speaker 5: He died at forty one years old of cancer and

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Speaker 5: I was with him, you know, every day. And when

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Speaker 5: I started hypnotherapy college, you know, I thought that would

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Speaker 5: my heart. And I did work with cancer patients in

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Speaker 5: the clinic after I graduated. But when I opened up

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Speaker 5: my practice, that's what I was going to do, but

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Speaker 5: But meanwhile, it was when I went to see Bud Hopkins,

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Speaker 5: who was the pioneer of abduction research and eventually became

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Speaker 5: and we went to his lecture and I became totally

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Speaker 5: do this. They don't teach or back then, they didn't

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Speaker 5: teach regression. In fact, they frowned on it because they thought,

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Speaker 5: be very very careful about what you're doing there. Well,

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Speaker 5: how I learned regression with abductees was observing Bud's sessions

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Speaker 5: when he was out. He would fly out from New

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Speaker 5: And like I said, eventually he became my mentor because

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Speaker 5: This was the first subject that I couldn't get enough

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I just couldn't believe how fortunate I was. You

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Speaker 5: When I get clients and I'm still getting them every week,

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Speaker 4: So that, yeah, what about the criticisms that we hear

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Speaker 4: that they lead them to that story, what about that?

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Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, I mean I've heard this, I've heard it

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Speaker 5: years ago. He would get so irritated. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 5: as you know hypnotherapists. But when you listen, you know

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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're talking to Yvonne

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Speaker 4: Smith here. Cavon, why don't you give us a typical

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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron talking

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Speaker 4: to Yvonne Smith here about alien abduction cases. Yvon if

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Speaker 5: You know, working with so many people, it is a

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Speaker 5: So as far as you know the others, you know,

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Speaker 4: And of course you do. And in that research, do

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Speaker 5: feels different this time. Wrong, it feels different to me.

432
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: So you're going to make sense what the point of

433
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 4: all this might be beyond the hybridization program. Is there

434
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 4: anything else that you're getting that's a message or that

435
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: you feel after hearing case after case after case, that

436
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 4: something else is happening or something else is trying to

437
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 4: be communicated.

438
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 5: What I've heard lately is that they are going to

439
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 5: be showing themselves. They haven't, but as far as a

440
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 5: definite message other than what they're doing or what they

441
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 5: want to do, not yet. But I'm still keeping mind,

442
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 5: eyes and ears open because I have a lot of

443
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: new people coming to see me lately. I've never been

444
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 5: this busy in my entire career. You know, when you

445
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 5: work for yourself, it goes like this, you know, and

446
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 5: there's some months I rarely have, you know, I don't

447
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 5: have any sessions, and this is my livelihood. But lately

448
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 5: I feel like I've been working full time and that's

449
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 5: never happened before.

450
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 4: So well, that's interesting. Yeah, you're seeing an increase that's interesting. Okay, Well,

451
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 4: over the years, you know, we've heard of that free

452
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 4: study done years ago that you know, although people were

453
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: all traumatized early by the experience, the vast majority of

454
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 4: them felt that they liked that they had this experience

455
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 4: in their life and they like having this. Is that

456
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 4: what you've found as well, or do people feel differently?

457
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 5: Excuse me? Eventually, Yeah, they were all traumatized because they

458
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 5: didn't know what was happening to them, so they come

459
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 5: for help. Eventually, when it's it's a combination of all

460
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 5: the therapy, you know, the regression, getting together in the

461
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 5: support group, listening to other people, like minded people, you know,

462
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: like they're not alone, the fear begins to dissipate. And

463
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 5: when that fear begins to dissipate, that's when they realize

464
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 5: the majority of telling me to become a better person,

465
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 5: that are grateful for the experience. You know, it's opened

466
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 5: up their eyes. You cannot see the world the same.

467
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 5: I'm different from what I was thirty three years ago.

468
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 5: They become you know, more spiritual, more kind to each other,

469
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 5: the love for animals that they all have. It's just

470
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 5: a handful of people that I that I'm working with that,

471
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 5: I've come across that are still very very angry, you know.

472
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 5: But everybody is very different how they handle this, just

473
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 5: like how we handle grief. You know, there's no handbook

474
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 5: saying this is what you have to do. So you know,

475
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 5: in my support creuk means nobody's right, nobody's wrong, but

476
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 5: you know, everybody support each other for whatever stage they're in.

477
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 5: We have to respect that.

478
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: Of course. Do you feel that these beings are anevolent

479
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: or do you think that could be a ruse?

480
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 5: Even I don't think they are evil, you know, I

481
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 5: don't get that they're evil at all. They have an

482
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 5: agenda and they are doing their job. They can be very,

483
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 5: very kind and very loving, but they also can be

484
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 5: very deceptive. They will have someone they say they're bringing

485
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 5: someone on the ship, and the person will look ahead

486
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 5: of them. I'll go, oh my god, there's my mom,

487
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 5: you know, or there's my dad, a loved one who's

488
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: crossed over, and then all of a sudden it morphs

489
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 5: into the alien be is to make them feel comfortable

490
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 5: with them. But people get angry about that, you know,

491
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 5: and that happens. That happens so much. I can't even

492
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: begin to tell you so they can be and and

493
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 5: you know, and how if they answer your question, they

494
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 5: could be very deceptive. They kind of go around the

495
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 5: question and they really don't answer directly. You know, where

496
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 5: are you from? Where are you doing this? I mean

497
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 5: basically they just say, we're not here to hurt you.

498
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: You'll be done pretty you know, we'll be done soon.

499
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. But somebody that was here to hurt you probably

500
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: would say that. They would say, I'm not here to

501
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 4: hurt you, and then they would hurt you. Just you're

502
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 4: hearing it. So I don't know how we trust them.

503
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 4: And I don't know why this has to be so clandestine.

504
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: It seems right an interesting aspect of this whole phenomenon.

505
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,640
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506
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,040
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're

541
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: talking to Yvonne Smith here. Is there any way to

542
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: stop this? We occasionally hear of cases where people with

543
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 4: these experiences claim to have been able to stop it.

544
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: Have you found that to be true?

545
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 5: People ask me all the time, why can you please

546
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 5: stop this? I wish I could. I wish I had

547
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 5: that power.

548
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: Wow, it's even scarier.

549
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't want to mislead people into thinking they

550
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: could stop it, or if I tell them, oh, do

551
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: this and do that, they'll stop it. This experience will

552
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 5: lay dormant, sometimes for many years, but then something down

553
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 5: the line will happen again. So they people have stopped it. Say,

554
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 5: on a night where people feel like something's going to happen,

555
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 5: they just have this electricity, their hairstanns on end. They

556
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 5: know when something's going to happen. Some of them will

557
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: say the Lord's Prayer really loud, or you know, whatever

558
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 5: makes them feel safe, whatever religion they're in, or they've

559
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 5: stopped it for that night. But I know there's been

560
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 5: a couple of books written out there saying this is

561
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 5: how to stop it, which I feel really misleads people,

562
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 5: and I don't want to do that. So I have

563
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 5: people in their late seventies eighties going what do they

564
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 5: want with me now? And I tell them I've learned

565
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 5: that it's a lifelong program. I'm in it, my son

566
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 5: is in it, and many, you know, millions of others.

567
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously it's just like they obviously are studying their

568
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: whole lives, which would make sense from you know, a

569
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: scientific standpoint. Can you tell us what you think some

570
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: of the strongest cases you've experienced have come across you know,

571
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: I've heard of multiple witness cases, which really ramps it

572
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 4: up for me and helps strengthen the case.

573
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 5: Absolutely. My Coronado Island case that happened in nineteen ninety four,

574
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 5: twelve people, a dozen people from my support group, I

575
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 5: was seeing the conference. This was this was hosted by

576
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 5: the Robert Biglow Foundation. It was called Triad Conference. There were, look,

577
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 5: I said, a dozen people that weekend that were that

578
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 5: had experiences. They all saw each other on the craft.

579
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: They described seeing each other on the craft that one

580
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 5: And because I was there and as I was writing it,

581
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 5: writing the book, I remember I could put myself back

582
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 5: there and I remember the you know, people coming up

583
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: to me and saying, I'm not feeling well. You know,

584
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 5: one person hat all this ahead of time and to

585
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 5: come to the conference, and after he had his experience,

586
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 5: he didn't remember everything, but he refused to go to

587
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 5: the conference. He went shopping with his wife instead and

588
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 5: was like, what you know, he just refused. Of course,

589
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 5: I started doing sessions on all of them as we

590
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 5: returned home, but it wasn't right away. It was, you know,

591
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 5: bits and pieces. As I was writing the book, I

592
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 5: was traveling up north to do more sessions because there

593
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 5: were so many people involved. So I'm hoping that, I mean,

594
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 5: I'm putting it out there in the universe that I

595
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 5: like for this to be made into a feature film,

596
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 5: because I think people need to know that there not

597
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: one person out on the cornfield. This is happening to

598
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 5: This is happening to you. And we have double abduction cases,

599
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 5: multiple witness cases. I have several double abduction cases. My

600
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 5: first one was with the double abduction of two brothers

601
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 5: in the fifties and the encounter show back in the

602
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 5: nine you did a wonderful segment on it. I show

603
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 5: that every once in a while at my lectures because

604
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 5: they put it together so well. Uh, there are so

605
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 5: many you know, details to it, so you know it's

606
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 5: this is a real experience. And since I'm as old

607
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 5: as I am, Captain Ron, I don't care what people

608
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 5: think of me. They want to think I'm crazy, Fine,

609
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 5: I'm just going to continue my work. That's not going

610
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 5: to stop me from what I'm doing.

611
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: Well, you're also going to get new blood into this field,

612
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 4: because you know, we've lost Bud Hopkins, your mentor, we've

613
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 4: lost John Mack. Of course, Doctor Jacobs is retired. Barbara

614
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: Lamb is still doing it, but I think she's slowed

615
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: down quite a bit, right, and now you're going to

616
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 4: be training people in this technique.

617
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 5: Right, It's on my website. So anyone out there, you're

618
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 5: a therapist, you want to do this go to my

619
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: website has all the information on there. And you know,

620
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 5: we need as many therapists and medical personnel as we

621
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: can get in this field because you know, everybody, we

622
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 5: all want evidence. You know, I want reports, I want evidence,

623
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 5: and you know, since we lost off your roder lear,

624
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 5: we're not doing the surgeries right now. But even even so,

625
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 5: I don't encourage people to remove their objects, their implants

626
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 5: unless it's causing them pain or discomfort.

627
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 4: And this typically does kind of affect people's lives. I mean,

628
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: you mentioned some good things that they feel more connected

629
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 4: with animals and nature and whatnot, But meanwhile it often

630
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: ruins their lives and a divorce, they lose their job

631
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: and things like that.

632
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 5: Right, Oh my god, it's still a stigma. You know,

633
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 5: it's unfortunate people can't talk about UFOs without fear of

634
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 5: losing their jobs and their status in the community. I mean,

635
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of divorces, including mine. You know,

636
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 5: it affects your entire life. That's why I just credit

637
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 5: people for you. There's a lot of people coming forward

638
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 5: and saying I'm so tired of you know, living a

639
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 5: secret life. People from all walks of life. I mean,

640
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 5: I have professional people that come to me, you know,

641
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: people from all walks of life, people who own businesses, corporations, scientists.

642
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: It.

643
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 5: You know, you're not immune from this experience, and they

644
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 5: don't care whether you're I have people who are famous

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Speaker 5: and they're not famous and rich and poor. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, cross section.

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Speaker 4: It does not discriminate at all in any way, shape

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Speaker 4: How often do these experiencers also say they saw UFO?

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Speaker 4: Is that common?

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Speaker 5: It's common? And then won'll say, you know, I saw

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Speaker 5: UFO or they'll often it's a you know, maybe maybe

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Speaker 5: strange lights in the sky or something low flying. Uh.

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Speaker 5: They they know it can't be a helicopter because they're

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Speaker 5: very loud, or plane doesn't fly that low. You know,

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Speaker 5: many years ago with families, so they'll all see something.

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Speaker 5: I have family is it have all seen, say a

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Speaker 5: having like a family get together, and they all walk

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Speaker 5: in the house and nobody talks about it for ten years.

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Speaker 5: I really feel people are programmed not to talk about it,

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Speaker 5: and then twenty years later, it's really strange so'll go

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Speaker 5: something will trigger them the good you remember when we

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Speaker 5: go yeah, and then other family members don't want to

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Speaker 4: So yeah, really interesting stuff. Well, thanks so much Yvonne

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Speaker 4: for coming on. I really appreciate it. It's very interesting

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Speaker 4: and I think you've done a lot of good work

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Speaker 4: of people directly, so thank you for that as well.

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