1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier. 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazier. 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 3: I'm Jay Glazier, and I want to welcome in somebody. 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: You know, when I think of Unbreakable, it's actually who 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: I think of and the reason why she is my 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: partner in Unbreakable Performance seven that we opened up. 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: But she's also she is a gee, she's a gangster. 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 2: We are in the middle of the Olympic trials right now, 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: so who better to have on than my partner in 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: Unbreakable Lindsay Burg. Lindsay Burgh has been on three US 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Olympic women's volleyball teams. She was the captain of two 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,319 Speaker 2: of those US Olympic Women's volleyball teams, and she has 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: two silver medals as well. One of those teams was 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: like an eighth or nineth seene, right, Lindsay, And look, 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: you and I have been around each other a lot, 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: and you know, and we first opened Unbreakable too. 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: I wanted to partner with a very hour woman, and man, 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: are you ever like you are? 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: If I could bottle up what you have behind your ribcage, 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: in between your ears, which is what we try to do, 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 2: and give it to these other athletes and every other sport, 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: there'd be a lot more champions out there. 24 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: So, first of all, thank you for joining me. 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me Jay, such an honor. Obviously, 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 4: it's been great to be a business partner and just 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 4: see both of us go through so many times that 28 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: could have broken us. Let's put it out here we are. 29 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: I wanted that because I've had a lot of Olympians 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: out I've had Michael Phelps and early on obviously that's 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: my guy, and Michael h very public. 32 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: How much we still help. 33 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: Each other mental health wise, like we lean into each other, 34 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: we call each other when just to check to make 35 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: sure you've done that for me. 36 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 3: I've done that for you. 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: Lindsey Vaughan, she's been on who also is one of 38 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: my mental health buddies. 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: But you have been so consistent in my life being 40 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: there for me. And it's cool because I got a 41 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: lot of friends in the NFL whose. 42 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: Daughters played volleyball, and I was like, oh, we should 43 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: have work with my partner Linda Berg, and they're like 44 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: your partner, like they go crazy when they hear your name, 45 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: which is wild. So I mean, there's so many ways 46 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: you and I could start for our listeners who don't 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: know you kind of give an overview of you know 48 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: why I think you're such a gexter face basically, but 49 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: what your career has been, and it's been an uphill 50 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: battle for you. 51 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I think what people a lot of 52 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: people don't know is I'm from Honolulu, Hawaii, born and 53 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: raised there, come from an incredible family and incredible support system, 54 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: and even in Hawaii, volleyball is one of the biggest sports. 55 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 4: Not many people know the support there, even in the 56 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 4: college level, is ridiculous. So one my first unbreakable moment 57 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 4: was when I went to the University of Minnesota from Hawaii. 58 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 4: So I almost broke at that moment. 59 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, why did you go to the coldest place ever? 60 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 4: You know, I had a really interesting recruiting process being 61 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: from Hawaii. To go on my recruiting trips, it was 62 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 4: so far. I didn't want to leave my volleyball team 63 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: in varsity in my senior year, so I just couldn't 64 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 4: plan these these visits and so slowly schools were like 65 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 4: checking me off, like she wants to come here, but 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: we can't get her here and we need to sign somebody. 67 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 4: And then also people really doubted my size and my 68 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 4: athletic ability. So some of the schools that I did 69 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 4: want to go to, I was like maybe third on 70 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: their lists, on and so forth, and I just got 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 4: really sick of the whole process. And my dad knew 72 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 4: the coach and he's like, please, just like go on 73 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 4: a visit. And I was like, the coach was great, 74 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 4: and I want to assume you went this summer like August. 75 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, guy, it's beautiful in August. 76 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: Gorgeous, right, Yeah, So I went and I kind of 77 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 4: was just like defeated in the whole process of recruiting. 78 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: And I was like, I can go to business school. 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: I know I'm going to play all four years. I 80 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 4: can build this program, and I just I picked it 81 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: and I did it. 82 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm back then and you're like I could 83 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: build this program. 84 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it wasn't They weren't the Final fourteen yet, 85 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: and so I could go. I could walk on to Stanford, 86 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: go to a team that's been in the Final four 87 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 4: and who knows if I would have played all four 88 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 4: years even if I was good enough or deserve to, 89 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: and would I would have had a hard time on 90 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 4: the bench. So I chose to build a program. 91 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: But one of the things, and I'm going to jump 92 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: all over ahead to your Olympic career. Yeah, and we 93 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 3: talk about you and I'll feel battle if you will 94 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 3: you don't. There's something you shan and I want you 95 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: to kind of say it were people got to judge 96 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: you by your cover. 97 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. That was my whole career, even starting 98 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 4: at home in Hawaii. Of course, in the real real life, 99 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 4: I guess five eight is tall for a woman, but 100 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 4: five eight was definitely not tall in the volleyball world. 101 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 4: I was also it's a thicker set and not like 102 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 4: just like a small string bean, and my body didn't 103 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 4: look as athletic as people especially wanted it to, and 104 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 4: so they would judge me first by just that for 105 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 4: how I was going to play and how good I 106 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 4: was going to be. And I mean it was still 107 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: till my third Olympics. I was people were talking shit 108 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 4: on the internet about how I looked, so like one 109 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 4: wasn't even enough, two wasn't enough. Even in my third 110 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 4: you know, I had to read the blogs and still 111 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: still trying to prove myself while I was on that team. 112 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: Wow, So take me through trials. 113 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know it's like for track and field 114 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: and those sports, and we'll get there. Because it's unbelievable 115 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: to me that Olympians have to wait four years for redemption, 116 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: where like I lost the fight and I talked to 117 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: that promoter that night, I'm like, I want on your 118 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: next card. 119 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 3: I gotta waited four months to fight again. 120 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 2: Or in the NFL, you just got to wait a year, right, 121 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: or you wait a couple of months and you start 122 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: training again for it four years. We'll get to that 123 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: a little bit because that's that is maddening to me. 124 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: But give me the process of making the Olympics. 125 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, volleyball. Team sports are quite different obviously than the 126 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 4: individual sports like track and field, where there's a core 127 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 4: group of us. You either get invited or you make 128 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 4: a tryout to train what we call is the national 129 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 4: team before you're actually on the Olympic team. So Olympians 130 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 4: are the only ones that are considered on the Olympic 131 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 4: team before that those four years here on the national team. 132 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 4: So you get invited, there's a core group about twenty 133 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 4: five women that are every summer together and we're just 134 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 4: like competing with each other, and we have tournaments every summer, 135 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: and it's not only just the summer of the Olympics, 136 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 4: Like we're together every summer. And it's just about twenty 137 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 4: five twenty four core women that are rotating. Some make 138 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 4: the traveling team, twelve to fourteen make a traveling team, 139 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 4: some are always staying back. And you do that for 140 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 4: four years until about a month before the Olympics the 141 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 4: team gets announced. 142 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: So is there one final thing that go, Okay, we're 143 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna judge them and pick them or is 144 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 3: it really over those four years. 145 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 4: It's definitely over the four years. Well, I'd say going 146 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 4: into the last year, there's maybe a core of eight 147 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: of the twelve that you know are gonna make it, 148 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 4: just because they've been the starters for the whole years 149 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 4: or certain things like that. The team just got announced, 150 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 4: you know, eight or nine of them were from the 151 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: last Olympics already this coming year, so sometimes you kind 152 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 4: of I know, and sometimes there's like one or two 153 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 4: that are like a huge surprise and they are competing 154 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 4: against each other that whole four years, and it comes 155 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: down to when the coach wants to pick the team. 156 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: Did you always know all three year Olympics or were 157 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: you ever? 158 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? I did know all three of them. The first 159 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 4: my first Olympics. It was obviously, I think more so 160 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 4: a question mark, but our coach had Yeah, Athens two 161 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 4: thousand and four, our coach had been traveling with kind 162 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 4: of the same team for most of that summer, so 163 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: you could kind of tell that that was going to 164 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: be the team. And then the other two I was 165 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: more of a vet and I was a leader and 166 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: a captain, and it's been pretty clear. But I did 167 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 4: have a little hiccup which we might talk about at 168 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 4: the Unbreakable moment before two thousand and eight. But yeah, 169 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 4: so that's that's it. You just are together all summer, 170 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 4: you are working hard, you're competing and trying to be 171 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 4: a good teammate at the same time with someone that 172 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: you're competing with to make the team. And about a 173 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 4: month in advance they announced the team. 174 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: How are you surviving during these twelve years? 175 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? So luckily USA Volleyball found a way to fundraise 176 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 4: and pay us not a huge amount of money, but 177 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: for the time that we are with the team, there 178 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: was a Stipe in and then in the other seven 179 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 4: to eight months, we're playing professionally overseas. Okay, where we 180 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: make our money. So I played seven years in Italy 181 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 4: and a year in Turkey and they paid well and 182 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: they pay even better now. And interesting enough, there's going 183 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: to be three leagues now in the United States starting 184 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 4: after the Olympics. Two have already kind of started and 185 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: going on. One of the biggest, one League one Volleyball. 186 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: I'm an investor in. It's really cool. They're starting from 187 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 4: ground up, working with like young ladies, picked the cities 188 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: where to be for the professional teams because of how 189 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 4: many kids were playing volleyball there. It's really cool. They've 190 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 4: done a great job. So that's going to start in 191 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five. 192 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: So your first Olympics has happened. Yeah, what's it feel 193 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: like those opening ceremonies. 194 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: Oh, you burst into tears immediately, so we have to wait. 195 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 4: You're just like in a holding arena, and you know, 196 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: United States is not the first people to walk, so. 197 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: Sure with every US Olympian, you're. 198 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 4: With every US Olympian, you're around the other countries that 199 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 4: are before after you all go together from the village 200 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: and in these buses to wherever it is. Obviously it 201 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: depends on which Olympics and where it's being located and 202 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 4: so on and so forth. But it's just exciting and 203 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: you're taking pictures with fellow Olympians because at that moment, 204 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 4: no matter how famous you are or not famous as 205 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 4: an Olympian, you are there being an Olympian. 206 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: So again, tell me because I want to I want 207 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: you to take our listeners into this. 208 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: Okay, I got to you as you are. You're walking 209 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: in a tunnel normally, because it's say, you know, kind 210 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: of like a football stadium. You're walking in a tunnel, 211 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: and then as you get out in the tunnel, the 212 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 4: whole stadiums filled, so normally it's maybe like a it's 213 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 4: normally like a soccer stadium, so like one hundred thousand, 214 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 4: one hundred to one hundred and twenty thousand, and then 215 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: all of the other Olympians are already in the middle 216 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 4: of the field that walk before. So you just walk 217 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 4: out into like the biggest cheers, seeing every walk of life, 218 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: like every walk of life you could even imagine that 219 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 4: are Olympians, you know, from every country around you live 220 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: a completely different life than you and you cannot help 221 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 4: but cry like as strong as you are and want 222 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 4: to keep it in and be cute because the camera's 223 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 4: on you. There is no stopping the tears. 224 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: Really yeah, oh, are you trying to focus something to 225 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: keep it together? 226 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: You're looking for family and the stands or what? 227 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 4: Were you just you're just trying to keep it together, 228 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 4: but not you're also trying to enjoy the moment. Like 229 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 4: our first one, they didn't really want phones out that much, 230 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 4: and we didn't have great phones either. In two thousand 231 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: and four they were the best, you know, So now 232 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 4: I think, like, you know, everyone's on their cell phone 233 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 4: and filming and catch free moments, but you're really just 234 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 4: like you're hugging your teammates or you're looking around. Not 235 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 4: many family members go to the opening ceremonies. It's like 236 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 4: hard to get tickets, very expensive, all of the above. 237 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 3: But it's just special, that's amazing. 238 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: So then after that, well, first we'll tell me what 239 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: the Olympic village is like. 240 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, well interesting enough. We're always in a very interesting 241 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: position of many reasons. We played always the next day 242 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 4: after opening ceremonies. Oh really we yeah, God for you, Yeah, 243 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: we would never stay for the whole ceremonies. Once we walked, 244 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: there was a way to usher us out and leave, 245 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 4: so we did that just because it always so happened 246 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 4: that women's volleyball played the first day of the Olympics, 247 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: and then the Olympic village also very different for us 248 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 4: as well, because we made it so far. Each Olympics. 249 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: We went all two weeks, so there wasn't like, hey, 250 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 4: we played a game and now it's time to celebrate 251 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 4: and party. We played a game and then the next 252 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 4: day we're practicing, watching video, everyone's recovering their bodies. So 253 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 4: we didn't experience the village as we hear the village. 254 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: That's why I'm getting that right here. Yeah, I hear it. 255 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: I read it. It's like sex best left and right. 256 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: You know you are, I'm sure that's happening. But with us, 257 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 4: like we were so locked in, like we're expected to 258 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 4: win even if we're not ranked high. You know, USA 259 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: is like expected to do well in the Olympics. So 260 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 4: and also as women's sports, they also i would say, 261 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: not baby us, but kind of. So it's like we're 262 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 4: on a schedule, we're on video, we're at practice. Well 263 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 4: you better do your rehab all of those things. So 264 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 4: we maybe see people when we go and eat in 265 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: the cafeteria, but other than that, sometimes we'll see some 266 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 4: other Americans and like watch an event in like the 267 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 4: little watch room that we had. But I don't know 268 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 4: anything about the craziness on the village. 269 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: Okay, you were the captain, did you have to prevent 270 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: from your players from trying to. 271 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: Seek out to the village. 272 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 4: There were a couple incidents that we had to address 273 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 4: and needed people to be getting their rest, and not 274 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 4: that it was a curfew, but kind of we have 275 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: a big game tomorrow or every game is big, So 276 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 4: there was definitely a few a few things that had 277 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 4: to be addressed in my three Olympics, that's for sure. 278 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 3: So now what I love about you also was like 279 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: in the story that kind of always I like to 280 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 3: brag about you about. 281 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: Is that the Olympics, you guys think were in eighth 282 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: or ninth seed and you were the captain and pushed 283 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 2: them and led them to a silver medal. 284 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about that. Yeah, I will talk about that 285 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 4: because there's benefactors to that one. I was actually co 286 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 4: capain with our other setter, same position. We're both from Hawaii. 287 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: She's one of my mentors, someone I looked up to 288 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 4: my whole life. We played in both two thousand and 289 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 4: four and two thousand and eight together Robin Amo, and 290 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: so during that Olympics, actually we had a really huge 291 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 4: tragedy happened right before our first match. So we got 292 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: woken up during our naps before our first game and 293 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 4: got told that one of our close members she went 294 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 4: to the two thousand and four Olympics with us, and 295 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: then she she's married to the men's coach at that time, 296 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 4: but she was just there with her and her family. 297 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 4: Her family got attacked at a tourists venue and her 298 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 4: father passed and her mother survived, and so God. Yeah, 299 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 4: So we get that call before first match against Japan. 300 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: We're told to call all of our families and we're 301 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: talking like four hours before first invasion. 302 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: Were invasion? 303 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the man also ended up killing himself. God, 304 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 4: a random act at a tourist venue. It's not the 305 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 4: Great Wall. I forget where it was. But so, so. 306 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: They weren't targeted, just a random. 307 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 4: Attack, just a random attack. 308 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: Was your teammateer, No, she was not. 309 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: So we get that call and they've been our volleyball 310 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 4: family forever. Not only is was she at the Olympics 311 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 4: with us in four her husband is currently coaching the 312 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 4: men's team, you know. And so we were just like 313 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 4: and we all together and we knew why we were 314 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: going to win, and that was why we got silver. 315 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 4: We were definitely not even close to a metal team 316 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: of like our skill compared to others. 317 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: You know, why do you say that's why you got silver. 318 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: Well, we dug deep for her and her family, and 319 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 4: we had like another purpose of why we were there 320 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: and why we were going to do this and why 321 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: we were going to let everything of our troubles or 322 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 4: things that we had in the last four years go 323 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 4: as a team and just like dig deep. And we did. 324 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: Do you remember what you said to your team after 325 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: that first. 326 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 4: Practice, I mean we were well, we were mass immediately 327 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 4: we had team meeting. I mean we're all crying, We're like, 328 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: we got to play for four hours. We were a mess. 329 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 4: But we were just all like, we're going to do this. 330 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 4: Whizz is our teammate. We're going to do this for Whiz. 331 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: We're going to do this for the Bachmanns. That was 332 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 4: the family. So yeah, it was a consistent. We're just 333 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 4: gonna dig deep, and wow, it's bigger than us, you know, 334 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 4: so as you're. 335 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: Then, you know, helping lead this team from being an 336 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: underdog on take me through that a little bit. 337 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, So that year, Robin and I actually were both 338 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: playing a lot. It was like who is the better matchup. 339 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 4: My coach at that Olympics was really good about, Hey, 340 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 4: if something's not working, we're about to switch it. Everyone's 341 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: good on this team. Everyone can play together. She was 342 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 4: really good game time coach of making substitutions. So both 343 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 4: Robin and I played a lot almost every match. But 344 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: it came down to actually have one of the most 345 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 4: memorable matches of my life that Olympics. It came down 346 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 4: to We're playing Italy in the quarterfinals. Italy is maybe 347 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: number two in the world, supposed to beat us. Robin's 348 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 4: playing the first two sets. We get down to zero 349 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 4: and we're playing three out of five in volleyball, and 350 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: I get put in and talk about me being in 351 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 4: the zone. I was in the zone, the zone that 352 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 4: we talk about as athletes where nothing like you're not 353 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 4: hearing anybody else, you were seeing just this and your goal. 354 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 4: And I got put in and we came back and 355 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 4: we beat them in five to make the semi finals. 356 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 4: And I definitely had one of the games of my life, 357 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 4: but mentally it was like the game of my life 358 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 4: of how locked in I was, my purpose, of why 359 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: I chose to We'll talk about my moment again. I 360 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 4: told you I had an unbreakable moment that actually broke me, 361 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 4: but I got out of it. I came back to 362 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: the team and that we won that one, and then 363 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 4: we knew we had Cuba next. We beat Cuba all 364 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 4: the time, and even Robin played that one, she plays 365 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: all the time. We beat them, and then we were 366 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 4: in that gold medal match against Brazil, who's the number 367 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 4: one in the world, and yeah, that's how we got there. 368 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: Is it heartbreaking to lose the gold medal match when 369 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be in the first place? 370 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: So you're able to like a silver medal? You're a badass? 371 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? 372 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: Are you able to appreciate a silver meta? 373 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that year we really did. I'd stay twelve was 374 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: harder for us, so we really did appreciate it. It's 375 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 4: not that we didn't believe in ourselves going into the Olympics, 376 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 4: but we kind of like it proved our level during 377 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 4: the year before, you know, and so we believed in ourselves. 378 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 4: But we weren't supposed to be there, but we got 379 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 4: there and we played our hardest and Brazil it's just 380 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 4: so good, so good, but we appreciated that sober. 381 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: What are some of the coaching tips you can give 382 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: us that that you know it works? Obviously, you've also coached, 383 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: you've coached college. What colleges have you coached? 384 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 4: I went to Hawaii for one season and Pepperdine for 385 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 4: a season, so. 386 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 2: You've coached also, But what are some of the coaching 387 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: tips I guess that you have seen that works for 388 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: volleyball players from the Olympic level all the way down. 389 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the number one thing is you got 390 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: to be a good teammate. I mean when you're on 391 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 4: the court, so you got to find trust, You got 392 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: to be a good teammate. You got to make each 393 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 4: other better. And it doesn't matter maybe you don't like 394 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 4: each other off the court, that's like completely fine, but 395 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 4: when you step on the court and you step into practice, 396 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 4: you need to be a good teammate for your team 397 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 4: to be good. And you know, sometimes there were good 398 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 4: teammates on my team and sometimes there weren't. And being 399 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 4: in my position the setter, who is like the coach 400 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 4: on the court, practically we call the place we touch 401 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 4: every we touch a ball in every rally, we're setting 402 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 4: everyone up for greatness. That I just knew to be 403 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 4: on the court or to make the team that I 404 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 4: had to somehow make my teammates better. If not I'm 405 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 4: physically not as good as them, they already have this 406 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 4: mentality about me that I'm not as good as far 407 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 4: as like coaching in the volleyball world. So I really 408 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 4: had to be different, and that was my leadership and 409 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 4: making my teammates better. So when I'm able to as 410 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 4: a player, I can really tell these young ladies because 411 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 4: they look up to me as a player as well, 412 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 4: that I've been through it. So when I'm telling them, 413 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 4: you guys got to be like stop being a bitch, 414 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 4: like be a better teammate, They're listening because I've been 415 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 4: through it. I've been through it all, you know. That's 416 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 4: the main one. If you can get a tight knit 417 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 4: on the court as a team, it's really really big, 418 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 4: especially for women, I think in the women's game, and 419 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 4: that is just in volleyball is always trying to make 420 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 4: the next hit better. So you're trying to better the 421 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: ball every time. So I'm the setter where I touch 422 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: the second ball to set up the hitter. So say 423 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 4: my pastor doesn't get me a great pass, which is 424 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 4: one of the most difficult skills first of all, to pass, 425 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: I'm always trying to make that pass better with my 426 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 4: set so you're always I would always tell everyone try 427 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 4: to better the ball. So if I don't set up 428 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 4: my hit, are good, they're really trying to save me 429 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 4: and get a good hit, do something with it, do 430 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 4: a shot, do their best to better my ball. So 431 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 4: those are like the two things that I really would 432 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 4: engrave in all the young ladies that have coached. 433 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: So now we talked, we get on a little bit, 434 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 2: so you get silver and eight and then go back 435 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: at twelve. 436 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 4: Then yeah, like killing it in twelve, we're killing it 437 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 4: like the whole quad in twenty eleven and twelve we're 438 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 4: just we're on fire. 439 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 3: Wait, but. 440 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 2: I just want to hit this like again. In the 441 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: world of football, you're back. You know you're playing six 442 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: months later. Yeah, well we don't have to wait four 443 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: years and fighting. You could wait you can go, hey, 444 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: I want I want to the next card if you're 445 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: not too banged up. 446 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: Is always kind of like amazed me about the resilience 447 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: of somebody to have to wait four years for that 448 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: shot of redemption and drive me crazy. 449 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it is what it is. Let's put 450 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 4: it that way. We've we've got to understand what we 451 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: can control. We can't control the Olympics not being in 452 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 4: four years. It becomes addicting. As unglamorous as it is, 453 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 4: especially for smaller sport athletes say us or I mean 454 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 4: the things for wrestlers I saw go through we were 455 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 4: living in Colorado Springs. It's from the wild. It just 456 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 4: becomes addicting. And if your body is okay enough to 457 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 4: keep going, you're going to keep going. And then at 458 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 4: that part of time, that's our job too, you know. 459 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 4: That is how we're making more playing overseas, we get 460 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 4: paid more overseas. If we're on the Olympic team, it's 461 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 4: like goes together, you know. So it just becomes addicting 462 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 4: and you want it more and it's a thrill when 463 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 4: you're there, and it's not much of a question if 464 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: someone wants to continue to go again it's more so 465 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 4: if someone wants to say, start a family, then maybe 466 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 4: they'll stop. But some people have started a family while 467 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 4: playing and just took a year off. I was forced 468 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: to stop pretty much because of my knee, because I 469 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 4: still after losing that twenty twelve, I was like, no, 470 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 4: I'm going back and I could barely walk. But yeah, 471 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: I think it's just you are mentally prepared for what 472 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 4: it is. You know that it's every four years, so 473 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 4: as much as you want it to be the next year, 474 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 4: there's other tournaments we play in, and we have a 475 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 4: long time to prepare, and so at least for playing competition, 476 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: it's not just practice for four years. We do have competitions. 477 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 2: So now you're going to twelve of your favorites. Oh yeah, right, 478 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: where is that Olympics. 479 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 4: That's in London? Through pool play like I can't. We 480 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 4: barely lost sets and like we were on fire. 481 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: How is it when you get to those Olympics when 482 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: you walk into that stadium as a favorite as opposed 483 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: to an underdog. 484 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, not a different feeling, I'd say. 485 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 4: It's a different feeling. I say USA in general, though, 486 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 4: everyone's out to get us, So even if we're an 487 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 4: underdog in a ranking. We're still USA and everyone wants 488 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 4: to beat us. So there is that feeling of we, 489 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 4: no matter what, have to be in our game. Because 490 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 4: everyone that made the Olympics, there's only four I think 491 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 4: there's fourteen total teams. Twelve or fourteen total teams. Everybody's good. 492 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 4: Maybe we're run yeah, I mean in London, so the 493 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 4: post city, the host country gets a team no matter what. 494 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 4: So London, the UK hadn't been known to be a 495 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: great volleyball team, you know, so they might have been 496 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 4: one of the underdogs. But everybody else is like amazing. 497 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 4: But twenty twelve, we yeah, we thought we were this shit. 498 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 4: I think we were just really good. We had a 499 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 4: really good mix of vets and Brookies and it was 500 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 4: a good time and we were flowing right now. 501 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 3: I cut you off before. 502 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 4: And so first that we're flowing. I think we beat 503 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 4: Brazil like twenty five to fourteen in the first set, 504 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 4: and I'm like, we might have like awakened a monster 505 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 4: because Brazil, no matter what, they're good, they're good. They're 506 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 4: so good, and they were pissed and their team had 507 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 4: more vets than our team, so they started picking on 508 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 4: our rookies just picking on them and we couldn't we 509 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 4: couldn't recover. 510 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 3: And what do you mean picking on? 511 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 4: Like talking, there's serve a certain person and keep going 512 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: at them, keep going at them. We've played them so 513 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: much also that they know now where some of our 514 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 4: younger players are hitting because they're not as experienced. So 515 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 4: Brazil is so good and they're such a they've been 516 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 4: playing their whole lives. They're very mental. They've been to 517 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 4: the gold medal match so many times. They're just in 518 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: that match a little more experienced than us, and they 519 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 4: found a way to pick our team apart, and they 520 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 4: beat us three to one. And I said, I want 521 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: to play right away right now. We would beat them 522 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 4: because we're the better team. But you know, it's like 523 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl sometimes the so called best team doesn't win. 524 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: As the captain and you see that starting unravel, go 525 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: the other way. What are you? What's going on? 526 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 4: I'm trying to keep everyone together. At one point in time, 527 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 4: I told my coach, subbed me out and try to 528 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 4: like switch it up, like you know, because they play 529 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: against me all the time. You can get predictable at moments, 530 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 4: especially in my position of where I'm going to set it. 531 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 4: So there was a point I'm like, we got to 532 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 4: switch something up, you know, And you know, I was 533 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 4: just trying to keep everybody positive and keep everybody going 534 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 4: and try different things and pick them apart too, but 535 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 4: it just we fell apart. 536 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 3: Were you able to appreciate a silver still, Yeah. 537 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, gold would have obviously been better. I 538 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 4: truly believe that is the best team I've ever played 539 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 4: on that we did deserve gold, you know, So knowing 540 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 4: that also, I know I gave my all. I did 541 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 4: everything I could possibly do, so yeah, looking back at it, 542 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 4: obviously these are accomplishments I never thought I would ever 543 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 4: ever have and the goal would have been super cool. 544 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 4: But it is what it is. My dad always says, 545 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 4: silver lining, you're going to be golden in life, and 546 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 4: so we'll see, you know. 547 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 3: I marvel that you like. I just think a livid 548 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 3: medals to me, there, I don't all. I look at 549 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: them like the Holy Grail. It's just man, it's just 550 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 3: it's majestic. Yeah, so majestic. 551 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: Give me some of the lessons as a captain that 552 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: equate to life, whether it's business, life anything. Lessons as 553 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: a coach, that equate to life, business, the world life. 554 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they are both similar. For me, I've 555 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 4: always like really loved the word collaboration in general. I 556 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 4: even have a tattoo that represents collaboration for me, I 557 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 4: believe working with people, relationships with people, collaborating with people, 558 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 4: things are just going to be better. I don't believe 559 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 4: you can do things on your own. I think when 560 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 4: we kind of go to ourselves and on our own, 561 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 4: we're not at our best. And so I think teaching 562 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 4: when I coached was that you need your teammates. What 563 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 4: is the best way for you guys to collaborate together? 564 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 4: And I feel like that in business, I feel like 565 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 4: that in life. And then also definitely the communication aspect 566 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 4: of it really goes into business and life as well 567 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 4: of being trying to be the best communicator you can 568 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 4: be the best person you can be, and just always 569 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: trying to make each other better. 570 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: Be a good communicator. Though can have a lot of 571 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: meetings of course, dive into. 572 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 4: That, well, it starts with one first, actually communicating. I 573 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 4: think that is the first thing of you know, you 574 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 4: can get through things, so not all the time you're 575 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 4: going to agree on things, have the same picture of 576 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 4: what something's going to look like to you. You can 577 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 4: agree to disagree, but if you don't talk about it, 578 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 4: then there's no way to get through it. So I 579 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: guess that it would be the biggest thing of the 580 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 4: communication aspect. 581 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: A couple more questions. 582 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: Give me something about the Olympics that we don't know, 583 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: experience anything. 584 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,239 Speaker 4: I don't know, like most people don't get paid right 585 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 4: for any of it, like any of it. But maybe 586 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 4: people know that we stay in little dorm rooms if 587 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 4: we're not famous, or the USA basketball teams small dorm 588 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 4: rooms and you have a roommate and you walk down 589 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 4: the hall to the bathroom. My college dorms, well, it's 590 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 4: like you're in an apartment with like three rooms save 591 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 4: one bathroom for six people. Kind that's probably what so 592 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: not glamorous. 593 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: It's not glamorous. 594 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,479 Speaker 4: It's not a glamorous life. There's some who you live 595 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 4: a glamorous life, but it's very few, but most don't. 596 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: By the way, the Olympic village are is it only 597 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: Olympics or outside of it? 598 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: You can have like a family pass. You can give 599 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 4: a family pass to come and say hello, but definitely 600 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 4: to sleep. Those are certain hours so it's just staff 601 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 4: and athletes. 602 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: Interesting, have you gotten tight with Olympians overseas or you 603 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: guys just to yourself? 604 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,719 Speaker 4: No, because a lot of us play overseas during our 605 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 4: professional league. So a lot of the women that we're 606 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 4: playing against are either our teammates overseas or we play 607 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 4: against some overseas as well during our professional league. So 608 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 4: I definitely have lifetime friends that I were my teammates 609 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 4: overseas that are born. And Yeah, this one thing I 610 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 4: definitely do miss about being retired is not having those 611 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 4: experiences again because I really loved playing overseas. I think 612 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 4: some people didn't have as good of a you know, 613 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: time as I did. But I was always on great teams. 614 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 4: I always like tried to learn the language and embrace 615 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 4: the culture, and I had a blast to change my 616 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 4: life playing overseas. 617 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: Right, My last question for you, which I ask every 618 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: one of my guests, give me your unbreakable moment, the 619 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 2: moment have broken you could have and didn't, and as 620 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: a result, you came to the other side of that 621 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: tunnel stronger forever. 622 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 4: Okay, what if it broke me for a second and 623 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 4: then I had to reevaluate it. 624 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: It didn't break you. You're still stronger. Are you stronger 625 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: from it? 626 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 4: For sure? 627 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: And that didn't break you great, It. 628 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: Broke you means you're broken and you lay in pieces 629 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: on the ground and that's that right. 630 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 4: So in two thousand and seven, we were really struggling 631 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 4: as a team. We had a coach and some of 632 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 4: the vets didn't like the coach. I was the captain 633 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 4: at that time. We were just having a lot of 634 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 4: problems and I would walk to practice and like literally 635 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: want to cry. I was when I was at practice. 636 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 4: It was so overwhelming. I wasn't enjoying volleyball anymore. I 637 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 4: felt like I couldn't be the player or the leader 638 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 4: that I was anymore. And one day the president in 639 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 4: the USA Volleyball just came in and was like, how 640 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 4: are you doing? And I just started bawling, like right 641 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 4: before practice, and he had no idea about anything I 642 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 4: was feeling, not many people did. Just started bawling. He's like, okay, 643 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 4: let's you know, go and go into the room. So 644 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 4: I went into the room with him and the coach 645 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: and I just was like, I can't. I can't do 646 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 4: this anymore. I think it's best if I leave the 647 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 4: team right now. Wow, I'm not giving the team everything 648 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 4: I can give. I'm not playing well, I'm not being 649 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 4: the best leader I can. I need a break, And 650 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: so they didn't obviously want me to, but I was like, 651 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 4: I don't think I can walk into this gym again 652 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 4: and not just be crying every time I'm playing. And 653 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 4: so I took a break. 654 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: Sure, your teammates would just talking with it. 655 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 4: No, I was talking with the president. 656 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 3: Of you saying no, no, but what was getting you to 657 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: that point? 658 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 4: All of it? So our team just like wasn't getting along. 659 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 4: Some believed in the coach, some didn't believe in the coach. 660 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 4: So we just could not get on the same page. 661 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 3: But it wasn't anything. They weren't attacking you. 662 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, okay. And then so I 663 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 4: took a break and I had a month off before 664 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 4: going overseas to play professionally. While I was overseas, they 665 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 4: gave me a call and I was like, I need 666 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 4: to think about it. But I knew if I was 667 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 4: going to come back that I might not be starting anymore, 668 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 4: I might not be captain anymore, and I need to 669 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 4: go and just be the most selfless person and why 670 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 4: I'm going is to help the team and be there 671 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 4: for the team. And I made that decision and it 672 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 4: was the best decision of my life. I got there. Obviously, 673 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 4: my teammates were happy to have me back. Sure, I 674 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 4: wasn't starting initially and wasn't the coat, I mean, the captain, 675 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 4: but Robin and I then were captains together. We were 676 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 4: both playing a lot, and I just was there to 677 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 4: give me to be a good leader, to make people better, 678 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 4: to give my all. And I worked really, really hard 679 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 4: to get my spot back and I really was happy 680 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 4: about it. And then obviously went on to do twelve 681 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 4: and we got that silber. But I thought it was done. Wow. Yeah, Wow. 682 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 3: So what did I show you about yourself. 683 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 4: That I wasn't done that I am no, But. 684 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 3: You thought it broke you. I didn't break you. Sometimes 685 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: you took reset. 686 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it showed a reset. It showed I needed a break. 687 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 4: It showed I needed to, like mentally have a reset 688 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 4: of why I'm there. What is important to me about 689 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 4: being there, and it's always been about helping my team, 690 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 4: and the fact that I felt in those moments that 691 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 4: I couldn't help my team, that was the hardest part 692 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 4: for me because I felt like I was letting them down, 693 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 4: letting myself down, and yeah, I needed a reset. 694 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: I love it. Lindsey Burgh, three time Olympian, two time captain. 695 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: Of the US Olympic Women's volleyball team, two silver medals 696 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 2: and a gangster thank and one beautiful business partner of mind, Lindsea. 697 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 4: I appreciate you so much, thanks for having me on. 698 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 699 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: Hey. 700 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have all this, I wouldn't be called and 701 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: breakable without you, So I appreciate you all right. 702 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 4: Jay