Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and this is Here's the thing. Sound
Speaker 1: is very inspirational to me. We didn't have any sound
Speaker 1: system in the house. We had nothing, no high find
Speaker 1: nothing today to musicians, both English each picked up the
Speaker 1: guitar at a very young age. Tom York at seven,
Speaker 1: Peter Frampton at eight. They listened to whatever they could
Speaker 1: get their hands on. York spent hours in his dad's
Speaker 1: car listening to tapes. Frampton worked in a music store
Speaker 1: and for both it paid off. Okay, come on, admitted.
Speaker 1: If you're my age, you remember exactly where you were
Speaker 1: when you first heard this. That's the sound of twenty
Speaker 1: five year old Peter Frampton performing what would become one
Speaker 1: of the top selling live records of all time. It
Speaker 1: was nineteen seventy five and Frampton Comes Alive would change
Speaker 1: his life. He was young, but hardly a newcomer. By then,
Speaker 1: he'd already made four solo albums for A and M Records.
Speaker 1: He started The Man Humble Pie with Steve Marriott when
Speaker 1: he was eighteen. He'd been part of the Herd at
Speaker 1: age sixteen, and at fourteen he recorded a song for
Speaker 1: Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones. Peter Frampton was a
Speaker 1: musical prodigy while still just a kid navigating the alcohol
Speaker 1: and drug laden music scene of the seven I was
Speaker 1: pretty much of a late bloomer. I had to really
Speaker 1: learn to drink. You know, when people I expect you to,
Speaker 1: I think, so there is Yeah, it doesn't matter. Your
Speaker 1: age didn't really like it, like you're in the army. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: You gotta swear and drink, you know, and now do drugs.
Speaker 1: I passed out so many times from anxiety attacks from pot.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get high plays. But anyway, I managed
Speaker 1: it in the end, right, but not really. When I
Speaker 1: was with Humble Pie, you know, you're talking to somebody
Speaker 1: who your music is like so important to me, and
Speaker 1: you talk about me growing up when I was a
Speaker 1: kid and you were very young then, I mean Humble
Speaker 1: Pie a kid, you know. You know when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, there was like the Beatles, the Stones, Zeppelin,
Speaker 1: the Who and Humble Pie. You don't want to know
Speaker 1: what I put in my body listening to Doctor. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't want to know, and you put and you
Speaker 1: perform with them for how many years? Seventy four years?
Speaker 1: And well, how would you characterize that period for stuff.
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it? Unbelievable? They were very popular. Yes
Speaker 1: in the States as well. Yes, that band brought me
Speaker 1: to America where that's where we started. I met I
Speaker 1: mean probably one of the first gigs. I met Bill Graham.
Speaker 1: You know, you realized now when I look back, it
Speaker 1: was the beginnings of the creation of rock and roll shows. Truly.
Speaker 1: Bill Graham was the guy on how to do it live?
Speaker 1: You know? And why did Humble Pie? And a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons. I was feeling claustrophobic in the band because
Speaker 1: we started off very democratic and doing it all different
Speaker 1: types of music, and now our our stage act was
Speaker 1: narrowing and we were just doing more more of that
Speaker 1: heavy rock and roll, which I love. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: That's my riff, I Don't need no Doctor. That's me
Speaker 1: jamming the sound check in at Madison Square Garden, and
Speaker 1: Steve just jumped up on the stage and started singing,
Speaker 1: I Don't need no Doctor over that riff. You know,
Speaker 1: he and I were very much that's him singing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the one that says it's been a gas. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We go home on Monday. We go home on Monday.
Speaker 1: But what I'm tell oh, he was probably a couple
Speaker 1: of years old. And but you feel claustrophobic white because
Speaker 1: we want I wasn't being able to do the music,
Speaker 1: all of this music that I wanted to do. Humble
Speaker 1: Pie started off really split between acoustic and electric. And
Speaker 1: also I was coming into my own and Steve and
Speaker 1: I fought like brothers. Yes, that's which, which is why
Speaker 1: humble Pie was so fiery. I think because musically it
Speaker 1: was phenomenal. You know, sometimes we degree and sometimes we
Speaker 1: just wouldn't agree. It was very sad for me because
Speaker 1: I knew it would upset them, but I just felt
Speaker 1: that I had to it was time to go on.
Speaker 1: And did you know where you wanted to go? No idea.
Speaker 1: I knew that I was. I didn't want to form
Speaker 1: another band. I wanted to become a solo artist. Why
Speaker 1: because I wanted to make all the decisions, because I'm
Speaker 1: a complete control freak. Did you feel you wanted Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to try things that. Yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 1: try things that maybe other people wouldn't want to try.
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to do it, and I have
Speaker 1: to say that it wouldn't have been I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: had a solo career had it not been for Humble Pie.
Speaker 1: I learned so much from working with Steve Marriott. I
Speaker 1: have to hand him a lot of the credit for
Speaker 1: the sort of things that he introduced me to listen
Speaker 1: to as well, music blues and build black combo and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That was really influential to me. So
Speaker 1: that's why it was a bitter sweet thing leaving. I
Speaker 1: wanted to leave, but I didn't want to leave. And then,
Speaker 1: of course, as soon as I left the live album
Speaker 1: that I had a big hand in mixing rock in
Speaker 1: the film or comes Out, I've left right at that point,
Speaker 1: and it zooms up the charts. It's Humble Pie's first
Speaker 1: gold record, and I'm going, holy crap, that's it. It's
Speaker 1: the first big blooper of my career, you know. And
Speaker 1: so then it was four studio albums before we did
Speaker 1: Comes Alive, you know, and a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of touring and where are you living then? You still
Speaker 1: I was still living in England until seventy five, when
Speaker 1: I finished the fourth solo record in England and then
Speaker 1: moved over. I actually moved to New York orc and
Speaker 1: stayed at the Mount Kisco Holiday Inn on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1: Sw Yeah, it was beautiful and found Bob Mayo Bob
Speaker 1: Mayo on keyboards from the live record in the band
Speaker 1: at the holiday and it's it's a long story, but yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically the first day of seventy five was I
Speaker 1: was now living in America. When you do comes Alive,
Speaker 1: how much of the music on that is new music
Speaker 1: on an album? How much of it was stuff you
Speaker 1: mind from the previous four solo albums. It was basically
Speaker 1: all stuff that came from the four studio albums. And
Speaker 1: rock On from shine On was a humble Pie track
Speaker 1: that I had written. It was actually from five albums.
Speaker 1: So it's like six years worth of work mining that
Speaker 1: went into that one live record. And for people who
Speaker 1: don't know that live performance was recorded in multiple locations
Speaker 1: are in. Most of it was one location, which was
Speaker 1: winter Land in Sanrancisco, Bill Graham gig where The Last
Speaker 1: Wolfs was filmed two nights before we'd played the Marine
Speaker 1: Civic Center and we've done two shows there, so we
Speaker 1: recorded that. I think a couple of numbers came from there,
Speaker 1: do WI I think comes from there, maybe one of
Speaker 1: the acoustic songs. But winter Land was the first big
Speaker 1: headline show we'd ever done, I'd ever done with my
Speaker 1: name on the ticket people were coming to see me
Speaker 1: for because the album right prior to Comes Live Just
Speaker 1: Trampton was the biggest one so far, biggest sellery had done,
Speaker 1: sold like three hundred thousand copies, which was mega for me.
Speaker 1: That was better than all the other things in that
Speaker 1: four album run prior to the live album in winter Land,
Speaker 1: things were getting better that they were, but that one
Speaker 1: was definitely setting me up. It was setting me up
Speaker 1: for something. How many nights at winter Land? One? One show? Okay? Okay,
Speaker 1: so stop. So you're in winter Land? Yes, and would
Speaker 1: you say, and the show goes on what time? Eight o'clock,
Speaker 1: nine o'clock, nine o'clock? Yeah? Probably probably, So somewhere between
Speaker 1: you pull up to winter Land and you go out
Speaker 1: of quarter and nine, the devil came in your room
Speaker 1: and made a deal with you. Correct, you signed a
Speaker 1: deal with the devil, showed up, poured himself a drink,
Speaker 1: sat down, said Peter, Peter, Peter, Peter, let's cut, let's cut.
Speaker 1: It was Peter Cook. Actually it was Peter Cook. And
Speaker 1: he's and he said, let's make a deal. And the
Speaker 1: devil makes this deal with you because what happened. First
Speaker 1: of all, there's probably if I'm not mistaken, if there
Speaker 1: wasn't sent people out there, then I thought they were set.
Speaker 1: But it's it definitely sounds like it. It's a big room.
Speaker 1: They go nuts when we walk out, and it just
Speaker 1: takes you to a different level. You know. It felt good.
Speaker 1: It was one of those shows when you come off
Speaker 1: and you at the band and you just go, I
Speaker 1: wish we'd recorded that. That was like so good man,
Speaker 1: And then we went who we did? You know we
Speaker 1: did record that? We forgot we were do you see?
Speaker 1: The event was so much more important than the recording.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember the truck being there. The recording
Speaker 1: is June of nine, five minutes released when we're still mixing,
Speaker 1: right up before Christmas, and then it comes out I
Speaker 1: believe on like January's seventeenth or something like that, ninth
Speaker 1: January nine or what happens. Well, I knew we were
Speaker 1: going to tour the whole year, so right after Christmas
Speaker 1: I went down to the Baham was for ten days
Speaker 1: and relaxed. Before I left, we had put one show
Speaker 1: on at Cobo Hall in Detroit, which is a big
Speaker 1: rum and that's all I knew. And so I go
Speaker 1: away and I don't call anybody. I'm just on the
Speaker 1: beach and snorkeling whatever. I come back, We've sold four
Speaker 1: shows out and I said, what happened, you know? And
Speaker 1: the album has just started to be on the radio,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's when everything just went went through
Speaker 1: the room. After all this time. People think it is overnight,
Speaker 1: but it's not overnight in the scheme of things. But
Speaker 1: it's a huge, yes, but it's overnight success, but it is.
Speaker 1: It's a heady experience. It is just still the highest
Speaker 1: selling live album of it's in dispute, yeah, but up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because my records only counted as one one album. A
Speaker 1: certain other artists had it made so that you could count, um,
Speaker 1: if you released six CD live set, you can count
Speaker 1: it six times. Well, they didn't do that retroactively. So
Speaker 1: in my mind it's still the biggest seller. And eventually
Speaker 1: how many albums did your self. We're up in the
Speaker 1: seventeen million now, seventeen million records and they're moving across
Speaker 1: the day. When you come out of that experience of
Speaker 1: having this huge thing, I want to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Not about how it affected you career was because obviously
Speaker 1: that wasn't important. How did it affect you personally? Were
Speaker 1: you married at the time. I had a girlfriend at
Speaker 1: the time. I don't think anybody can be ready for
Speaker 1: that kind of success, and I'm pretty down to earth person.
Speaker 1: I take things as they come. As I said earlier
Speaker 1: to you, I was a late bloomer when it came
Speaker 1: to dulling anything. You know, it was almost unbelievable the
Speaker 1: amount of success. Get these phone calls in quick succession,
Speaker 1: your number one in the charts, you know, and I'm going,
Speaker 1: wait a second, say that one more time, and who
Speaker 1: are you? Was that the time you thought of you
Speaker 1: had to start them in yourself? Yeah, it was crazy
Speaker 1: because people just wanted to her. No, it was very
Speaker 1: you don't know how to deal with how people treat
Speaker 1: you differently exactly, and being always being respectful, and and
Speaker 1: never really thinking of myself as anything special because I've
Speaker 1: never been a that's just not my came. I felt
Speaker 1: embarrassed that I was that this entity became it was
Speaker 1: me over here, you know. Yes, it was very hard
Speaker 1: to deal with last year. For the first time since
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, Peter Frampton found himself on stage performing
Speaker 1: the entire Frampton Comes Alive album. My reputation is as
Speaker 1: a live performer, so's it's been phenomenal for me. But
Speaker 1: it's hard work touring, but I love it, so that's
Speaker 1: not hard work for me. The tour was particularly memorable
Speaker 1: as Frampton was playing a guitar that had been missing
Speaker 1: for over three decades. First of all, we're talking about
Speaker 1: the guitar that's on the front cover of Comes Alive,
Speaker 1: which I got given to me by Mark Mariana in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy when I was playing the film or West
Speaker 1: with Humble Pie, and I was having a terrible time
Speaker 1: with the guitar that I had at that that night,
Speaker 1: and Mark said to me, you know, I could see
Speaker 1: you having problems with that. You want to try my
Speaker 1: less Paul tomorrow. I said, well, I'm not really big
Speaker 1: on less pause, but okay, all right, anything is better
Speaker 1: than this, So he brought it to me. I played it.
Speaker 1: I don't think my feet touched the ground the entire
Speaker 1: It's the best guitar I've ever played. Basically, I used
Speaker 1: that exclusively. It's the only guitar I play all the
Speaker 1: way through all my solo records and including fram who
Speaker 1: comes alive. So then we get to touring South America.
Speaker 1: We just finished playing Caracas, Venezuela and we had a
Speaker 1: day off, and so we flew commercially to Panama waiting
Speaker 1: for the gear to arrive on a cargo plane. While
Speaker 1: it never got off the runway in Caracas, it crashed
Speaker 1: on take off. My road manager came to me and
Speaker 1: he said, I got some bad news. And he says,
Speaker 1: the plane crashed on takeoff. I said, my guitar, he said,
Speaker 1: and like six people loading people, the pilot, co pilot, loading, inspector,
Speaker 1: all that. So I mean, yeah, people died. So that
Speaker 1: took precedent over everything. Then it put it in active,
Speaker 1: you know. And there's the pilot's wife sitting at the
Speaker 1: bar who doesn't know yet. It was horrendous. So anyway,
Speaker 1: sent someone down my guitar tech at the time, a
Speaker 1: week later to see what was left. Nothing was left, supposedly,
Speaker 1: and there were guitars were actually in a trunk in
Speaker 1: cases in cases, and they had a guard to guard
Speaker 1: the crash site, the debris side. Util the insurance people
Speaker 1: came down and he decided that the guitars would be
Speaker 1: much safer at his house. Yes, and then Caracas. Yes,
Speaker 1: in Caracas two years ago, which is thirty years thirty
Speaker 1: years later. I opened my email because anybody can email
Speaker 1: me and I see them all. I opened up this
Speaker 1: one and there's a picture of photograph of my guitar
Speaker 1: slightly singed but but it's my lastly right at the up,
Speaker 1: you know, slightly singed, but but there it is. There's
Speaker 1: a picture, and I thought this picture where in an
Speaker 1: email to me from someone who would got ahold of
Speaker 1: the guitar. As it happens in Kurasau, which is a
Speaker 1: little island off the coast of Caracas. Someone had sold
Speaker 1: it to this gentleman and he took it to someone
Speaker 1: who fixed guitars, and they knew what it was. And
Speaker 1: it took two years of a very gray area and
Speaker 1: was he's saying like, I don't want to get proceed.
Speaker 1: I want to get this guitary, but I want to
Speaker 1: go to jail. That was the thing. No one wanted
Speaker 1: to actually come money. It wasn't about he wanted. There
Speaker 1: was a reward talked about, but every time it would
Speaker 1: get close to someone coming in, they'd find something reason
Speaker 1: why they couldn't come in, So that's why it took
Speaker 1: two years. And then in the end the guy actually
Speaker 1: checked to see if we had booked in a hotel
Speaker 1: because he just saw himself in handcuffs at Miami Airport,
Speaker 1: you know. And what happens while the two gentlemen walk
Speaker 1: in and he's got it in this probably one of
Speaker 1: the worst looking gig bags I've ever seen in my life, cheap,
Speaker 1: old plastic thing. He puts it beside him, you know,
Speaker 1: and he tells the story in broken English of how
Speaker 1: this person had it and the whole thing. So then
Speaker 1: he hands it to me and he goes Philip to
Speaker 1: Peter Philip so and I know that he knows because
Speaker 1: it was the lightest les pool I'd ever played. So
Speaker 1: I just felt it in the case and who this
Speaker 1: could be it? You know, opened it up. I just
Speaker 1: looked at it and I just feel it like that,
Speaker 1: and I go, it's my guitar. How badly was it sed? Where?
Speaker 1: Just round the very top it lost the binding around
Speaker 1: the headstock. Get the replaced. No, I didn't, I left it.
Speaker 1: I've left it with its battle scars. Gibson made it playable,
Speaker 1: so we refreshed all the caracas kiss and there is
Speaker 1: this sound the same. Does it feel the same? Just that? Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when I first played it at rehearsals with the band,
Speaker 1: everybody had this like cheshire cat grin on their face
Speaker 1: because it has the sound and it sounds like Frampton
Speaker 1: comes alive. You know, you don't have to try too hard.
Speaker 1: And you got that back when I got it back
Speaker 1: just before we started touring in February and March for
Speaker 1: the last American leg. I used it a little bit
Speaker 1: at rehearsals, and then I brought it out for the
Speaker 1: first night at the Beacon. I think the guitar is
Speaker 1: more famous than I am now, So you were meant
Speaker 1: to play that music with that guitar. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: remember saying someone that before I went out that night.
Speaker 1: I just hope emotionally I'm going to be able to
Speaker 1: play it. And I brought it out for do You Feel?
Speaker 1: And I messed up the first leg because I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe I was playing how can you fumble dead? Me?
Speaker 1: I did? It was like meant to be, you know
Speaker 1: I And once I got it was saying to me,
Speaker 1: come on, get it together, you know. And yes, it's
Speaker 1: I'm back. Now get over it. You know what music
Speaker 1: do you listen to? Now? Who do you like? Um?
Speaker 1: Right now? This week band of Skulls. My son turned
Speaker 1: me onto and daughter turned me onto them. And I
Speaker 1: went to Coachella I saw Radiohead. I still I'm a
Speaker 1: Radiohead fanatic. I just loved them. I think they're so
Speaker 1: not mainstream, but they became mainstream because they're just so unique.
Speaker 1: Peter Frampton says he didn't listen to Radiohead early on,
Speaker 1: but now it's one of the few bands he and
Speaker 1: his kids enjoyed together. Next up, we'll hear from the
Speaker 1: leader of Radiohead himself, Tom York, also a father. My
Speaker 1: son is a great drama. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want to do that forever or He's like not
Speaker 1: bullet really, which is cool too. English musicians, almost twenty
Speaker 1: years apart in age, each with their own approach to
Speaker 1: surviving life as a rock star. Peter Frampton seems fueled
Speaker 1: by a stadium full of adoring fans, but for Tom York, well,
Speaker 1: performing is more complicated. It takes a long time for
Speaker 1: that to become natural. I think I'm Alec Baldwin and
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Speaker 1: you're listening to Here's the Thing just engine. Radiohead released
Speaker 1: their stunning debut single, Creep Slow. It was quiet, yet explosive,
Speaker 1: even haunting, and it's refrained had a powerful hook. Radioheads
Speaker 1: frontman and principal songwriter Tom Yorke is my guest, and
Speaker 1: if it was his wish to be special, the world
Speaker 1: granted it. York's band has become a commercial and critical success,
Speaker 1: selling over thirty million albums Do It's Serious. Each new
Speaker 1: album explores a different sound, delighting their followers and scooping
Speaker 1: up more fans along the way. The spirit of experimentation
Speaker 1: isn't limited to their music. In two thousand seven, York
Speaker 1: and his bandmates released in Rainbows on their website. First
Speaker 1: fans were invited to pay what they wanted for the album.
Speaker 1: Radiohead may not have been the first. The thumbags knows
Speaker 1: that the music industrial complex, but they might be the
Speaker 1: first to do so and sell out a major arena.
Speaker 1: That said, Tom York hasn't been comfortable in the spotlight.
Speaker 1: You don't do a lot of press um where you
Speaker 1: do what I was now on and as needed basis
Speaker 1: the need from basis, yea kind of York complains about
Speaker 1: celebrity worship, and I wasn't sure what to expect. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've got you a health food snack, did you yeah,
Speaker 1: because someone told me you were like all vegetarian and
Speaker 1: non Tom York is, after all, a guy who's married
Speaker 1: and has two kids. It can be easy to forget
Speaker 1: he's been a rock star for over twenty years. We
Speaker 1: started when we were sixteen. Radiohead's and some bands that
Speaker 1: have had a tremendous longevity, obviously the Rolling Stones of
Speaker 1: the premier example, they've changed partners over there's like they
Speaker 1: were the New York Yankees. You know, there's somebody else
Speaker 1: playing a base every four or five years. But you guys,
Speaker 1: it's the same cast of people all the sudden. What
Speaker 1: do you attribute that to persistence? My great diplomatic skills
Speaker 1: not But there must be times when they've I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget, McCartney said to me, even the Beatles
Speaker 1: got tired of being the Beatles. Were the times you
Speaker 1: guys said there and looked at each other and said,
Speaker 1: I think we're done. I do that frequently, right, frequently,
Speaker 1: I mean at least the others two not as much.
Speaker 1: They just wait for me to do it. Um. It
Speaker 1: goes through these phases. You know, we've grown up together.
Speaker 1: It's weird. I mean, um. So, we just did a
Speaker 1: tour last year, right, and it was probably, in theory,
Speaker 1: the scariest one we've ever done, because it was lots
Speaker 1: of big gigs, which I normally am spending my time
Speaker 1: trying to shy away from. Why because you can't achieve
Speaker 1: technically in a large space where you normally want to
Speaker 1: exactly that you can't get across to people the right way,
Speaker 1: I felt. So we did spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: and effort coming up with like a stage design which
Speaker 1: used screens in a certain way which made it intimate,
Speaker 1: even though you know, some nights was like thirty or
Speaker 1: forty people trying to create some sort of intimacy with that,
Speaker 1: and when it worked, it was insane, because the upside
Speaker 1: of plane to that many people is you have this
Speaker 1: really crazy collective energy that you can tap into like
Speaker 1: a crowd, you know. I think there's one chair we
Speaker 1: did in Phoenix that sticks in my mind where there
Speaker 1: was something about maybe that it was in Phoenix and
Speaker 1: people don't get the opportunity those sort of people don't
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to get together that often or something.
Speaker 1: There was some sort of excitement within the crowd that
Speaker 1: was so great to play with. When when we hit
Speaker 1: it musically, it felt like the whole room, the whole
Speaker 1: of the building was moving. Honestly, we both came off,
Speaker 1: you know, and bump. I understand that not from my
Speaker 1: own experience, but from seeing artists perform. You know. I
Speaker 1: often asked myself, why the hell would would you put
Speaker 1: yourself through this? Because it's very stressful. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure, and for me mentally, I just build myself
Speaker 1: up to it in my head gradually and it sounds
Speaker 1: really precious, but it messes with my head. What's your
Speaker 1: preparation before you do a live show, before you because
Speaker 1: in the studio it's obviously a whole different animal. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no preparation for the studio you do. You know,
Speaker 1: it's building a chill in the shop most of the time,
Speaker 1: which is how she should be I think and performing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what's given to me. A couple of hours before
Speaker 1: you go out there and you've got to blow this
Speaker 1: thing out for all these people and just stone cold silence,
Speaker 1: basically almost meditative. Well, yeah, I do. I do that
Speaker 1: and focused. I stand on my head for a bit
Speaker 1: and basically I'm completely on my own until five minutes
Speaker 1: before we go on, and then we're all in the
Speaker 1: room together, pacing up and down like wild animals, and
Speaker 1: then then we're on. But when we first started doing
Speaker 1: big shows, it was with my from Michael Stipe, and
Speaker 1: he does the total opposite. He literally he'll be talking
Speaker 1: to you and then someone taps in the should and
Speaker 1: then they're on. And I was like, how the hell
Speaker 1: do you do that? Man? And I tried to do
Speaker 1: it like that, I couldn't do it, and so I
Speaker 1: ended up going did he did? Did you get any
Speaker 1: indication why Stipe could do that? What he used to
Speaker 1: do was you'd stand there for the first two tunes,
Speaker 1: barely move. He was a sort of lightning conductor, and
Speaker 1: he was just waiting for it to hit, and then
Speaker 1: when it hit he was off, but he would wait
Speaker 1: and if it wasn't going to hit, he was still
Speaker 1: there three or four tunes later, and waiting. He kind
Speaker 1: of warmed up in front of everybody, engaging it all.
Speaker 1: Whereas I can't do that because I have to sort
Speaker 1: of be clear of everything before you know whatever, I
Speaker 1: need to UM be completely empty. What do you think
Speaker 1: you'd do best lead a band? You well, you you
Speaker 1: play guitar, you write music, you produce music, you do
Speaker 1: and you sing. What do you think your greatest strengths
Speaker 1: if you had to pick one. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I like the fact that I still
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing. I think we're not. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I can't go I'll go through whole phrases of UM
Speaker 1: months where I've got clue. I regularly lose complete confidence
Speaker 1: in what I'm doing. Why do you think that is
Speaker 1: because I have the same condition? Why partly because I
Speaker 1: think I don't quite understand how it happens after the fact,
Speaker 1: When when what happens when the appreciation comes to you know,
Speaker 1: when you're when you're piecing something together right, things will
Speaker 1: fall into place, make it. I mean, in some ways,
Speaker 1: the nicest bit about the creative thing, the nicest bit
Speaker 1: about recording and writing, is this sort of weird limbo
Speaker 1: where you in between scratching away scratching away, nothing really happening,
Speaker 1: nothing really happening, and then something's wants to be built
Speaker 1: and starts to get built. You just have to let
Speaker 1: it happen. And then it gets to the end and
Speaker 1: you and you look at it a few months later
Speaker 1: and go huh um. Sort of weird amnesia that goes
Speaker 1: with it. Something will happen, one little sound goes off,
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, that's really nice for me. When
Speaker 1: I was at school, I didn't get on with the
Speaker 1: school system at all. Um I see it, and my
Speaker 1: son the same, that sort of the mechanics of how
Speaker 1: a school operates and how you're supposed to blend in
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I hid in the music stroke art
Speaker 1: department and had a great time there and discovered that
Speaker 1: actually that's what I wanted to do. Straight away, the
Speaker 1: heads of both schools just saw what I was up.
Speaker 1: This is the teacher that you often credit with your Yeah,
Speaker 1: where was the teacher's name Terry James, but but it
Speaker 1: was him and my art teacher as well. Actually it
Speaker 1: was like someone sort of takes you under their wing
Speaker 1: and say, well, you know what, you're she quite good
Speaker 1: And then touring is a very critical thing in this business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's enough. It's enough at that age, it's enough
Speaker 1: to just get a little push and then okay, what
Speaker 1: does someone push you in a different direction? Yeah, well
Speaker 1: that would be bad. Yeah, how about do you go
Speaker 1: to the other I think, yeah, my father used to think.
Speaker 1: I used to get advertising, which is like really brilliant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd really be good at that. Well, one thing you're
Speaker 1: good at is avoiding My original question, which was what
Speaker 1: do you think your best at? And let's try to choose.
Speaker 1: If you can't, if you don't mind, confine yourself to
Speaker 1: the list, provide what do you think you're best at? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is multiple choice. Guitar band kind of you know,
Speaker 1: paternal figure, songwriting, producing, singing, mm hmm, I guess singing. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you chose that one. I was driving. I
Speaker 1: was trying I think when I popped the words singing
Speaker 1: the way I did, I was trying to war singing?
Speaker 1: What was singing to you? How did your singing evolved
Speaker 1: where you arrived at where you are now where most
Speaker 1: people say you have one of the most evocative singing
Speaker 1: voices and all of music today. Um well, basically I
Speaker 1: went to music. I went to a few singing lessons,
Speaker 1: but that was basically just so I could literally breathe
Speaker 1: right you know. Um well, my favorite singers like bu York.
Speaker 1: When I watched bu York sing um, I've been lucky
Speaker 1: enough to sort of sing with it and watch you
Speaker 1: do it. And I was gonna say, you one of
Speaker 1: the people going to use that phrase when I watched
Speaker 1: bu York said yeah, most of I say, well, when
Speaker 1: I listened to bu York, really it's in here, it's
Speaker 1: right here, they say, you know, with with with yoga
Speaker 1: and stuff that whatever it is, kind remember that that
Speaker 1: spot at the top of the forehead that you really
Speaker 1: Most singers like Neil Young is the same. He sings
Speaker 1: into this spot in his head and and what he's singing,
Speaker 1: he's already heard, you know what I mean, He's hearing
Speaker 1: it come out the same with with Bork. When she's singing,
Speaker 1: she's singing what she's hearing, so there's no force. It's
Speaker 1: a force in itself. It took me a while to
Speaker 1: get that, and it keeps changing to me how I
Speaker 1: sing now or to me it feels different to a
Speaker 1: few years ago. It just does. It just does age
Speaker 1: everything to do it. Well, yeah, there's probably some physical
Speaker 1: element to it, but but also just where you're at,
Speaker 1: you know, because singing is nothing but like probably like acting,
Speaker 1: singing is nothing but being in a moment. That's it,
Speaker 1: and where you're at. Yeah, when you do like, um,
Speaker 1: when I used to be like you know, when when
Speaker 1: you're trying to singing or whatever, gender I remember sort
Speaker 1: of okay, computer, I still had this thing like, well
Speaker 1: I need to be a little bit half cut when
Speaker 1: i'm you know, I need to do something or other
Speaker 1: beforehand so that I'm in the right space. Man, where
Speaker 1: it's all bollocks because basically you're just going to learn
Speaker 1: to be there with it. When you do it, you're
Speaker 1: not trying to prove anything. You're not trying to get anywhere,
Speaker 1: you're not trying to achieve any thing. You're not trying
Speaker 1: to get this emotion across. You're not in this space
Speaker 1: trying to get this space across. You're not trying to
Speaker 1: get this mindset across or anything. You're just letting it
Speaker 1: happen when you do this now, when you live inside
Speaker 1: your life now, whether you're performing live or you're producing
Speaker 1: and recording music, do you feel different now that you're older.
Speaker 1: I mean, the chasm between when you're sixteen when you're
Speaker 1: forty three is extraordinary, isn't it. It's just mind bending. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his fatherhood affected your work, Um, yes, but not really
Speaker 1: that you have the obvious things where you run on
Speaker 1: the road more if you didn't have children. Yep, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But that's not necessarily a bad thing at all. You know,
Speaker 1: being on their road is is it's a it's not
Speaker 1: a great it's it's you don't want to do it
Speaker 1: all your life. You get a little bit on, it
Speaker 1: gets a little unhealthy quite quickly mentally, If not physically
Speaker 1: has been difficult for you, mentally it can be different.
Speaker 1: It means it's it's wicked fun, but too much. It's
Speaker 1: either wicked fun or really awful, like when you're sick.
Speaker 1: Then it gets really it's a royal barmer man out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: try to sing your way through the notes that you
Speaker 1: can't find because you're so sick or whatever. That's really
Speaker 1: super stressful. But you know it is a massive buzz.
Speaker 1: There's no denying it. It's great. Stop. So this is
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin and you're listening to here's the thing in
Speaker 1: a minute, how Tom York takes a break. We call
Speaker 1: ourselves the Sunday Painters and we go on bad painting trips.
Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin, And here's the thing. When you
Speaker 1: reach Tom York's level of success and fame, there's a
Speaker 1: shift in your day to day experiences. Parts of your
Speaker 1: life become unrecognizable. I mean, I'm assuming you're in a
Speaker 1: world where that your phone must have ranged it. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's stopped because because you kept saying no. But maybe
Speaker 1: everybody's like, you know, Bonna wants to pick you up
Speaker 1: tomorrow and fly you to Saint Bart's. Yeah, that never appealed.
Speaker 1: I don't hang out with people because they are who
Speaker 1: they are, necessarily unless I'm a big admirer of them,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I stalked at Norton for ages until
Speaker 1: eventually gave in because because I'm a big admire of him.
Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant. So I hang out with him
Speaker 1: a bit occasionally. No, tangentially related to that. As you've
Speaker 1: gotten older and you look around the musical landscape, what
Speaker 1: you see does it appeal to you? Meaning of the
Speaker 1: music that's popular music? I mean, what's selling now the
Speaker 1: most successfully? Have you moved into a different place with
Speaker 1: that or do you admire a lot of what's being
Speaker 1: done is your in the mainstream? In the mainstream, there's
Speaker 1: nothing in the mainstream. The mainstream is just a void,
Speaker 1: you know. To me, I mean, what's weird about putting
Speaker 1: a record out? Now? Really? And this is not like
Speaker 1: sour grapes at all. It's just the fact the volume,
Speaker 1: literally the sheer volume and stuff that gets put out.
Speaker 1: It's like this huge fucking waterfall and you're just throwing
Speaker 1: your pebble in and it car is on down the
Speaker 1: waterfall and that's that, right, Okay. Next, basically, you know,
Speaker 1: like in this country, the radio is tied up and
Speaker 1: people don't really listen to radio in the same way.
Speaker 1: It's it's music is going through a weird time because
Speaker 1: on the one hand, as ever, there's always really exciting
Speaker 1: music being made. It's never not being made. It's a
Speaker 1: question of whether you're going to get to hear it
Speaker 1: or not. And I mean I kind of I kind
Speaker 1: of knew the game was up a few years ago
Speaker 1: when one of our sort of team of people came
Speaker 1: in saying, Nokia wants to offer you millions of pounds
Speaker 1: because they want content for their phones. And this is
Speaker 1: like in two thousand, I don't know, early two thousands.
Speaker 1: And you're like, content, what you know? Content? What do
Speaker 1: you mean? Music? Yes? Okay? Content maybe that yes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Just music stuff? Yeah? Stuff, could snoring? Have you got
Speaker 1: some stuff off? You know? And you're like okay, And
Speaker 1: I think really that my problem with it is it's
Speaker 1: like it's now like something to fill up the hardware with,
Speaker 1: you know, the music itself has become secondary to that,
Speaker 1: which is a weird thing to me. It's like, and
Speaker 1: I think that will change because there's only so many
Speaker 1: different permutations of the same hardware you can make before
Speaker 1: people go, well, actually I have an iPod now, so thanks.
Speaker 1: So I think things will change, and I think the
Speaker 1: radio will change, and sooner the better, because no matter
Speaker 1: what way you look at it, the most pleasurable experiences
Speaker 1: you ever have is like when something's played to you
Speaker 1: don't know, We're like going around to friend's house and
Speaker 1: they'll stick a tune on your like, what the hell's there?
Speaker 1: You know, which is what it's about. You know, that's
Speaker 1: what we're like going into store when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: like and the new Smith's records come out, and like,
Speaker 1: and I'm going up to the guy. I think that's
Speaker 1: like he's really cool, like the indie store in town
Speaker 1: and just talking to him about music for twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, you share everywhere you go.
Speaker 1: Music is everywhere, It's everywhere, But it's not like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. It's content. Yeah, it's content, is
Speaker 1: king that will change, And when it does, then I
Speaker 1: think we'll have a resurgence. The underbelly will come back
Speaker 1: overbelly and then well, if it's middle aged would be
Speaker 1: over belly. Well do you have ways to go there?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be taking some slimming bills. Yeah. But now
Speaker 1: we know in the way that you talked about this
Speaker 1: pebble in the baderfall and content and music marketing. Now,
Speaker 1: so if that changes, certainly, which it has, does your
Speaker 1: willingness to release your music into that world change, Like,
Speaker 1: for example, an obvious example maybe too obvious is you
Speaker 1: don't want to play creep anymore? Now do you sit
Speaker 1: there and say, like if the Sultan of Brunei I
Speaker 1: called you up and said I want you to come
Speaker 1: to Brunei and we'll give you a million pounds, just
Speaker 1: play creep. I would play creeping and go home. I
Speaker 1: would say to something, BRUNEI, why do you have that
Speaker 1: house near me that you never used I get? Just
Speaker 1: meet you down the block. I mean, come on, it's
Speaker 1: an empty house, man, it must be whatever. That's what
Speaker 1: I'd said, trillion and I'd say, no, obviously, But when
Speaker 1: you retire a song that way, why do you do that? Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, not necessarily retire it. I mean I
Speaker 1: don't recognize it as me, which is kind of quite interesting.
Speaker 1: When I hear singing just that voice, I don't even
Speaker 1: recognize that. It's kind of odd. Whatever you want. But
Speaker 1: then I remember hearing I remember hearing Lee read like
Speaker 1: on some radio station in Dublin years and years, I guess,
Speaker 1: and they were asking inevitably about Underground, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: well sometimes it comes on. I'm like, well, this is cool.
Speaker 1: What's this? And then I realized it's about Underground I'm like, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of know what he means. So you get
Speaker 1: to the point where like, what's that So you're forty
Speaker 1: three years old? Fort four years old? It's just our
Speaker 1: professional courtesy that we shave a year off of all
Speaker 1: of our already all of them. Um, you're in the
Speaker 1: now and you're in the here what have you? And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that glibly, and you're know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you're not somebody who like Mick Jagger, for example,
Speaker 1: Like I wonder if Mick Jagger is going to hit
Speaker 1: a day, like does it happen in a day? Like
Speaker 1: as Mick Jagger in bed one day and he picks
Speaker 1: up the phony, He's like, you know, I just can't
Speaker 1: do it anymore. I can't get out of this bed.
Speaker 1: I can't do another show again. And it's over. Like
Speaker 1: do you think of other things? I think all the
Speaker 1: time of the next thing I'm gonna do. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: next thing. You don't have to tell us what it is,
Speaker 1: but you know, uh no, I mean it would end
Speaker 1: if someone happened to my voice. I don't know. Certain
Speaker 1: things could make it physically stop, and it will stop
Speaker 1: at some point. Something will happen. But for me, I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always hearing different things. There's always half finished things,
Speaker 1: which you ask poor old Nigel he knows about that.
Speaker 1: There's always a mountain of half stuff. I want to
Speaker 1: get into stuff I've started, stuff I want to you know.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's good to sort of take
Speaker 1: breaks because I've gone straight from this radio tour last year,
Speaker 1: which was a really heavy mother but really good fun,
Speaker 1: straight into doing sort of atoms for stuff and not
Speaker 1: really had a break. And to breakers do a break
Speaker 1: is do you because what I've found with a breakers
Speaker 1: can be an incredibly exciting thing, with that thing of
Speaker 1: like you just all the stuff you want to do,
Speaker 1: but you just force yourself not just force yourself to
Speaker 1: wait and get back into just time and space and
Speaker 1: um yeah, not being in music all the time, I think,
Speaker 1: because it's like anything, you start to go in small circles,
Speaker 1: so you've got to stop when that happens. I've had
Speaker 1: to practice that now. I mean, I got married again
Speaker 1: and I really sat and thought about that way that
Speaker 1: I want to have a more ordinary and more normal
Speaker 1: handling of my emotions. I think the best way to
Speaker 1: put it is where people in my business, say which
Speaker 1: is would you rather live it in real life or
Speaker 1: word you rather play it on screen? And I'm thinking
Speaker 1: I want to walk away from because I'd rather live
Speaker 1: it in real life now than play it on screen.
Speaker 1: I think with what I do, it's slightly different because
Speaker 1: what I would I do it Actually, unless you you
Speaker 1: literally you're spending, unless you are just literally working too hard,
Speaker 1: it's a regenerative thing. I find that I'm well, I mean,
Speaker 1: my family, my friends know that I'm a nicer person.
Speaker 1: If I'm working and I'm into what I'm doing, then
Speaker 1: if I stop, there is a period where I'm fairly unbearable.
Speaker 1: If I do stop, yeah, for too long, but then
Speaker 1: probably yeah, there's a threshold. But like if you want
Speaker 1: to shift right with your work, if you want to shift,
Speaker 1: if you're writing, if you're being creative at all, you
Speaker 1: kind of have to stop to make that shift because
Speaker 1: if you just I'm constantly creating, I've got this mountain
Speaker 1: of brilliant ideas. You're making the basic mistake that you're
Speaker 1: assuming all ideas are brilliant, where in fact, actually the
Speaker 1: more you do they're probably the more it kind of
Speaker 1: your thing in reverse because actually I can't write unless
Speaker 1: I have a period where restored. Well, no, it's not restored,
Speaker 1: just just reset. I'm like just normal, normal, normal, normal, normal, normal, normal.
Speaker 1: Speaking of normal, do you have siblings? Yeah? But what
Speaker 1: do you have a brother? What does he do? Russian
Speaker 1: politics and stuff? He teaches? No, he's what do you
Speaker 1: mean investigations on people? Your parents studied Russian Oxford and
Speaker 1: then went into various Are your parents all there? What
Speaker 1: do your I would love people in your business? Above all?
Speaker 1: What are your parents and your brother make of you?
Speaker 1: Going from being Tom York Tom to becoming Tom York. Well,
Speaker 1: my brother was in a band of his own for
Speaker 1: a while as well, so he has slightly like he
Speaker 1: can see what it is from another point of view.
Speaker 1: What do my parents think? I don't know. They like
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, they didn't approve. Now that
Speaker 1: I'm happy, Why do you go into advertising? Yes? Well
Speaker 1: you know it was like fair enough. I was I
Speaker 1: piste off with them at the time, but you know
Speaker 1: it's kind of what that's what you do, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I mean tell you Abouty's parents. Right when I left
Speaker 1: a law program and I was destined to go to
Speaker 1: law school and I went into the acting program. My
Speaker 1: mother was she literally screamed at me over the path.
Speaker 1: My mom was very upset when I when I chose
Speaker 1: to go to art college because she'd been to art
Speaker 1: college and she said, it's complete waste of time. Don't
Speaker 1: bother I. When I became successful with my business, mother
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so proud of them. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is wonderful. Yeah, it's kind of bond because like
Speaker 1: seeing them backstage at a really big show. That will
Speaker 1: come to a big show and there's my mom and
Speaker 1: I going that was fun, Corney beer or whatever. When
Speaker 1: you do step away from it, what are there? Art?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you interested in art? Photography? My mate
Speaker 1: theater film, my mate Stanley don Wood who I went
Speaker 1: to art college with, who does all our art work with.
Speaker 1: I mean I do it with him kind of thing.
Speaker 1: We we always have these lovely plans about we want
Speaker 1: to go and live in Berlin for a month and
Speaker 1: just paint and get in trouble and things like that.
Speaker 1: We call ourselves the Sunday Painters and we go on
Speaker 1: bad painting trips. We did one where um, they're bad
Speaker 1: painting troops because I'm involved. Um, there was one one
Speaker 1: of my favorite ones was we went on the moors
Speaker 1: down in Cornwall. Do you know what I mean by
Speaker 1: the moors and Dartmore basically, which is very very very
Speaker 1: bleak but really beautiful. We're in the Stone Circle, drove
Speaker 1: part of the way, walked the rest of the way
Speaker 1: with these big canvases and paints. But we only we
Speaker 1: discovered we only have purple and blue and yellow, so
Speaker 1: we thought, well, okay, we'll use that, and we painted
Speaker 1: landscapes all afternoon, but they were purple and blue and yellow.
Speaker 1: Some Paul and I remember coming like late afternoon, coming
Speaker 1: and asked us, asking us for directions. We're both sitting there,
Speaker 1: you know, canvases up like this, all huddled up with
Speaker 1: the hooded hoods on, you know, just doing this, and
Speaker 1: this ball woman comes up, asks for asks, directions, was
Speaker 1: somewhere or other and then looks at the paintings. It's
Speaker 1: wonders off like good lucky career. I hope you're not
Speaker 1: counting on it. I was like, I didn't think the
Speaker 1: purple's working. It was like me being in Italy and
Speaker 1: this beautiful couple they were like late, they were older,
Speaker 1: and the men walked up to me in the camera
Speaker 1: and he said, schools A, schools A. He's a photo
Speaker 1: and he's pointing to me and his wife. He's triangularly
Speaker 1: and I go oh, and I put my arm around
Speaker 1: his wife to take a photo. He goes, no, no,
Speaker 1: you photo of my wife and yeah, you take the
Speaker 1: the mountain in the background. And I was like, oh, god, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't know who I am. I should move here,
Speaker 1: I should move here. Um. You mentioned someone gave you
Speaker 1: that push his mentorship in your career. Do people come
Speaker 1: to you and do you give them a push A
Speaker 1: little bit? I mean, um, you must have a lot
Speaker 1: of people in the music world, young people who look
Speaker 1: up to you. Um. To me, it's one of the
Speaker 1: best buzzes. Really, is that thing where some comes up
Speaker 1: who's new and they're really into you know, I'm really
Speaker 1: into what they're doing. It's really fascinating and it's really
Speaker 1: totally new to me. But yet the occasions when yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, how could you? How could you feel
Speaker 1: off me? I don't see any of my stuff, but
Speaker 1: they see it, and I'm like, wow, that's so cool,
Speaker 1: especially when it's like like it's in hip hop and
Speaker 1: like really, you know, people within hip hop who are
Speaker 1: into radiohead. I'm like, I find that so fascinating because
Speaker 1: i mean, obviously I'm massively into hip hop, and we've
Speaker 1: we use hip hop as a reference point in the
Speaker 1: way we build tracks and stuff. But really, wow, that's bonkers,
Speaker 1: you know, and that obviously that's one of the really
Speaker 1: good bits. But it's not really mental ship. It's just
Speaker 1: people who you admire good at their ship, you know,
Speaker 1: when it happens, it happens. Yeah, how does success make
Speaker 1: you feel? How does it make me feel? Really now? Something? Yeah,
Speaker 1: which which I think is well, has it made me feel?
Speaker 1: It's always been a little bit far away from me,
Speaker 1: And the only time it sort of makes sense is
Speaker 1: when we play in front of people, you know, And
Speaker 1: the rest of the time, it's like, well, it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's who I've been for so long I can't
Speaker 1: tell you because it's just that's what it is. And
Speaker 1: I think I've probably been doing it more than I
Speaker 1: haven't in my life in terms of years, in terms
Speaker 1: of time. So most of the time I don't really notice.
Speaker 1: Some people come up and I go, well, that's nice,
Speaker 1: you know, thanks very much, And it's not like I'm
Speaker 1: not grateful them, just I just don't notice. And then
Speaker 1: sometimes something will whack you over the head and you
Speaker 1: go blimey, things like doing the first time we did
Speaker 1: Saturday in my life, for example, and you go really
Speaker 1: because sometimes you can't you don't know, you don't know,
Speaker 1: you've got you on the inside, you can't see it.
Speaker 1: And and and also we've spent so long running away
Speaker 1: from it, and I don't feel like a run away
Speaker 1: from it now because there's nowhere to run run, no
Speaker 1: where to run. And also it is like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really grateful for I'm very incredibly lucky. It's a very
Speaker 1: good point. There's nowhere to run and still do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think I'm well jammy. As we
Speaker 1: take it's just really jammy, especially in the US, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, that's amazing. I guess I have one
Speaker 1: more question, was what does well Jammy mean? I don't know, really,
Speaker 1: you don't know. Jammie is like, um you it's so Jammy,
Speaker 1: like you just I'm dating myself as it's a total fluke, man,
Speaker 1: it's not really, You're just lucky. I mean, I'm British, right,
Speaker 1: so I assume I'm just Lucky. There's no skill involved.
Speaker 1: I'm Jammy. This is from a Muck, Tom York's latest
Speaker 1: release with his other band, Adams for Peace. You can
Speaker 1: find out more about York on our website, where you
Speaker 1: can also hear longer interviews in our archive with people
Speaker 1: like Brian Williams, Andrew Luck and Saturday Night Live writer
Speaker 1: Paula Pell. Pleasure Island Welcome. I read a book about
Speaker 1: it and suddenly I went and did it. That changed
Speaker 1: my life. Go to Here's the Thing dot org. Here's
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