WEBVTT - Peter Frampton and Thom Yorke 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:07.080 I'm Alec Baldwin and this is Here's the thing. Sound 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.600 is very inspirational to me. We didn't have any sound 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.040 system in the house. We had nothing, no high find 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:21.720 nothing today to musicians, both English each picked up the 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.360 guitar at a very young age. Tom York at seven, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.760 Peter Frampton at eight. They listened to whatever they could 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.560 get their hands on. York spent hours in his dad's 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.440 car listening to tapes. Frampton worked in a music store 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:48.559 and for both it paid off. Okay, come on, admitted. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.040 If you're my age, you remember exactly where you were 0:00:52.560 --> 0:01:00.760 when you first heard this. That's the sound of twenty 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.880 five year old Peter Frampton performing what would become one 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.880 of the top selling live records of all time. It 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.160 was nineteen seventy five and Frampton Comes Alive would change 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:24.360 his life. He was young, but hardly a newcomer. By then, 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.920 he'd already made four solo albums for A and M Records. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.440 He started The Man Humble Pie with Steve Marriott when 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.200 he was eighteen. He'd been part of the Herd at 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.240 age sixteen, and at fourteen he recorded a song for 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:52.640 Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones. Peter Frampton was a 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.920 musical prodigy while still just a kid navigating the alcohol 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.320 and drug laden music scene of the seven I was 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.160 pretty much of a late bloomer. I had to really 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.000 learn to drink. You know, when people I expect you to, 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.040 I think, so there is Yeah, it doesn't matter. Your 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.000 age didn't really like it, like you're in the army. Yeah, exactly. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.520 You gotta swear and drink, you know, and now do drugs. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:23.160 I passed out so many times from anxiety attacks from pot. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.920 I'm trying to get high plays. But anyway, I managed 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:32.160 it in the end, right, but not really. When I 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.640 was with Humble Pie, you know, you're talking to somebody 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.880 who your music is like so important to me, and 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:39.960 you talk about me growing up when I was a 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:41.919 kid and you were very young then, I mean Humble 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.600 Pie a kid, you know. You know when I was 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.040 growing up, there was like the Beatles, the Stones, Zeppelin, 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.720 the Who and Humble Pie. You don't want to know 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.680 what I put in my body listening to Doctor. I mean, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:57.800 you don't want to know, and you put and you 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:02.880 perform with them for how many years? Seventy four years? 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:04.880 And well, how would you characterize that period for stuff. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:09.040 Did you enjoy it? Unbelievable? They were very popular. Yes 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.400 in the States as well. Yes, that band brought me 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.799 to America where that's where we started. I met I 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:20.720 mean probably one of the first gigs. I met Bill Graham. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.200 You know, you realized now when I look back, it 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:28.720 was the beginnings of the creation of rock and roll shows. Truly. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.080 Bill Graham was the guy on how to do it live? 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.960 You know? And why did Humble Pie? And a couple 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:40.920 of reasons. I was feeling claustrophobic in the band because 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.680 we started off very democratic and doing it all different 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.480 types of music, and now our our stage act was 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.440 narrowing and we were just doing more more of that 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.280 heavy rock and roll, which I love. Don't get me wrong. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.240 That's my riff, I Don't need no Doctor. That's me 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.960 jamming the sound check in at Madison Square Garden, and 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.320 Steve just jumped up on the stage and started singing, 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:15.240 I Don't need no Doctor over that riff. You know, 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.480 he and I were very much that's him singing. Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.920 he's the one that says it's been a gas. Yeah. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.960 We go home on Monday. We go home on Monday. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:40.040 But what I'm tell oh, he was probably a couple 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:45.080 of years old. And but you feel claustrophobic white because 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.960 we want I wasn't being able to do the music, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.520 all of this music that I wanted to do. Humble 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:56.080 Pie started off really split between acoustic and electric. And 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.320 also I was coming into my own and Steve and 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:03.240 I fought like brothers. Yes, that's which, which is why 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:07.000 humble Pie was so fiery. I think because musically it 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.560 was phenomenal. You know, sometimes we degree and sometimes we 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.120 just wouldn't agree. It was very sad for me because 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.720 I knew it would upset them, but I just felt 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.120 that I had to it was time to go on. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.000 And did you know where you wanted to go? No idea. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.560 I knew that I was. I didn't want to form 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.840 another band. I wanted to become a solo artist. Why 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.000 because I wanted to make all the decisions, because I'm 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:37.279 a complete control freak. Did you feel you wanted Yeah, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.400 I wanted to try things that. Yeah, I wanted to 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.800 try things that maybe other people wouldn't want to try. 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.760 You know, I wanted to do it, and I have 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.120 to say that it wouldn't have been I wouldn't have 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.599 had a solo career had it not been for Humble Pie. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.640 I learned so much from working with Steve Marriott. I 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.640 have to hand him a lot of the credit for 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.000 the sort of things that he introduced me to listen 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.360 to as well, music blues and build black combo and 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.920 stuff like that. That was really influential to me. So 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.919 that's why it was a bitter sweet thing leaving. I 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.040 wanted to leave, but I didn't want to leave. And then, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.360 of course, as soon as I left the live album 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.520 that I had a big hand in mixing rock in 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.680 the film or comes Out, I've left right at that point, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.080 and it zooms up the charts. It's Humble Pie's first 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:34.520 gold record, and I'm going, holy crap, that's it. It's 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.080 the first big blooper of my career, you know. And 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.680 so then it was four studio albums before we did 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.760 Comes Alive, you know, and a lot of a lot 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.320 of touring and where are you living then? You still 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:52.320 I was still living in England until seventy five, when 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:57.040 I finished the fourth solo record in England and then 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.880 moved over. I actually moved to New York orc and 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.719 stayed at the Mount Kisco Holiday Inn on New Year's Eve. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:11.880 Sw Yeah, it was beautiful and found Bob Mayo Bob 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.240 Mayo on keyboards from the live record in the band 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.000 at the holiday and it's it's a long story, but yeah. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.880 So basically the first day of seventy five was I 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.679 was now living in America. When you do comes Alive, 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.119 how much of the music on that is new music 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:30.720 on an album? How much of it was stuff you 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.400 mind from the previous four solo albums. It was basically 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:40.760 all stuff that came from the four studio albums. And 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.160 rock On from shine On was a humble Pie track 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.120 that I had written. It was actually from five albums. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:52.680 So it's like six years worth of work mining that 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.600 went into that one live record. And for people who 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.560 don't know that live performance was recorded in multiple locations 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.840 are in. Most of it was one location, which was 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:08.000 winter Land in Sanrancisco, Bill Graham gig where The Last 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:13.360 Wolfs was filmed two nights before we'd played the Marine 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.160 Civic Center and we've done two shows there, so we 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.560 recorded that. I think a couple of numbers came from there, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.120 do WI I think comes from there, maybe one of 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.640 the acoustic songs. But winter Land was the first big 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:31.200 headline show we'd ever done, I'd ever done with my 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.760 name on the ticket people were coming to see me 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:39.680 for because the album right prior to Comes Live Just 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.000 Trampton was the biggest one so far, biggest sellery had done, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.319 sold like three hundred thousand copies, which was mega for me. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.719 That was better than all the other things in that 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.600 four album run prior to the live album in winter Land, 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.240 things were getting better that they were, but that one 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.960 was definitely setting me up. It was setting me up 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.840 for something. How many nights at winter Land? One? One show? Okay? Okay, 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.920 so stop. So you're in winter Land? Yes, and would 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.760 you say, and the show goes on what time? Eight o'clock, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:16.199 nine o'clock, nine o'clock? Yeah? Probably probably, So somewhere between 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:17.719 you pull up to winter Land and you go out 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.800 of quarter and nine, the devil came in your room 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.360 and made a deal with you. Correct, you signed a 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.079 deal with the devil, showed up, poured himself a drink, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.000 sat down, said Peter, Peter, Peter, Peter, let's cut, let's cut. 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.000 It was Peter Cook. Actually it was Peter Cook. And 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.040 he's and he said, let's make a deal. And the 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:39.520 devil makes this deal with you because what happened. First 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.319 of all, there's probably if I'm not mistaken, if there 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.079 wasn't sent people out there, then I thought they were set. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.680 But it's it definitely sounds like it. It's a big room. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.600 They go nuts when we walk out, and it just 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.240 takes you to a different level. You know. It felt good. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.560 It was one of those shows when you come off 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.640 and you at the band and you just go, I 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.720 wish we'd recorded that. That was like so good man, 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.199 And then we went who we did? You know we 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.160 did record that? We forgot we were do you see? 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.040 The event was so much more important than the recording. 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:35.200 I don't even remember the truck being there. The recording 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:40.640 is June of nine, five minutes released when we're still mixing, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.000 right up before Christmas, and then it comes out I 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:49.320 believe on like January's seventeenth or something like that, ninth 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:55.200 January nine or what happens. Well, I knew we were 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.760 going to tour the whole year, so right after Christmas 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.360 I went down to the Baham was for ten days 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:06.200 and relaxed. Before I left, we had put one show 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.040 on at Cobo Hall in Detroit, which is a big 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.320 rum and that's all I knew. And so I go 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.880 away and I don't call anybody. I'm just on the 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.680 beach and snorkeling whatever. I come back, We've sold four 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:26.000 shows out and I said, what happened, you know? And 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.440 the album has just started to be on the radio, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:33.679 you know, And that's when everything just went went through 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:39.959 the room. After all this time. People think it is overnight, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:44.120 but it's not overnight in the scheme of things. But 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.960 it's a huge, yes, but it's overnight success, but it is. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:55.000 It's a heady experience. It is just still the highest 0:11:55.040 --> 0:12:01.080 selling live album of it's in dispute, yeah, but up there. Yeah, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:05.439 because my records only counted as one one album. A 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:10.360 certain other artists had it made so that you could count, um, 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:14.160 if you released six CD live set, you can count 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.480 it six times. Well, they didn't do that retroactively. So 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.800 in my mind it's still the biggest seller. And eventually 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.960 how many albums did your self. We're up in the 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:37.360 seventeen million now, seventeen million records and they're moving across 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.640 the day. When you come out of that experience of 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.320 having this huge thing, I want to talk to you. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.960 Not about how it affected you career was because obviously 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.520 that wasn't important. How did it affect you personally? Were 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.079 you married at the time. I had a girlfriend at 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:56.360 the time. I don't think anybody can be ready for 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.720 that kind of success, and I'm pretty down to earth person. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.000 I take things as they come. As I said earlier 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.839 to you, I was a late bloomer when it came 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:11.520 to dulling anything. You know, it was almost unbelievable the 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:16.280 amount of success. Get these phone calls in quick succession, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.480 your number one in the charts, you know, and I'm going, 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.600 wait a second, say that one more time, and who 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.439 are you? Was that the time you thought of you 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.360 had to start them in yourself? Yeah, it was crazy 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.760 because people just wanted to her. No, it was very 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:33.280 you don't know how to deal with how people treat 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:38.480 you differently exactly, and being always being respectful, and and 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.240 never really thinking of myself as anything special because I've 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:47.240 never been a that's just not my came. I felt 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.840 embarrassed that I was that this entity became it was 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.840 me over here, you know. Yes, it was very hard 0:13:54.880 --> 0:14:05.920 to deal with last year. For the first time since 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:10.880 nineteen seventy six, Peter Frampton found himself on stage performing 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:15.079 the entire Frampton Comes Alive album. My reputation is as 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.960 a live performer, so's it's been phenomenal for me. But 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.160 it's hard work touring, but I love it, so that's 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.640 not hard work for me. The tour was particularly memorable 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.920 as Frampton was playing a guitar that had been missing 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.960 for over three decades. First of all, we're talking about 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.920 the guitar that's on the front cover of Comes Alive, 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.280 which I got given to me by Mark Mariana in 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.120 nineteen seventy when I was playing the film or West 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:43.520 with Humble Pie, and I was having a terrible time 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.600 with the guitar that I had at that that night, 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.280 and Mark said to me, you know, I could see 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.440 you having problems with that. You want to try my 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.400 less Paul tomorrow. I said, well, I'm not really big 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.600 on less pause, but okay, all right, anything is better 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.200 than this, So he brought it to me. I played it. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.920 I don't think my feet touched the ground the entire 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:05.400 It's the best guitar I've ever played. Basically, I used 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:10.200 that exclusively. It's the only guitar I play all the 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.480 way through all my solo records and including fram who 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:19.120 comes alive. So then we get to touring South America. 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.480 We just finished playing Caracas, Venezuela and we had a 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:30.400 day off, and so we flew commercially to Panama waiting 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.880 for the gear to arrive on a cargo plane. While 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:37.240 it never got off the runway in Caracas, it crashed 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.640 on take off. My road manager came to me and 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.680 he said, I got some bad news. And he says, 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:47.920 the plane crashed on takeoff. I said, my guitar, he said, 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.840 and like six people loading people, the pilot, co pilot, loading, inspector, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.480 all that. So I mean, yeah, people died. So that 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.440 took precedent over everything. Then it put it in active, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.760 you know. And there's the pilot's wife sitting at the 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:07.440 bar who doesn't know yet. It was horrendous. So anyway, 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.440 sent someone down my guitar tech at the time, a 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.840 week later to see what was left. Nothing was left, supposedly, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:20.520 and there were guitars were actually in a trunk in 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:24.200 cases in cases, and they had a guard to guard 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.840 the crash site, the debris side. Util the insurance people 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.760 came down and he decided that the guitars would be 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:34.360 much safer at his house. Yes, and then Caracas. Yes, 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:41.840 in Caracas two years ago, which is thirty years thirty 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:46.960 years later. I opened my email because anybody can email 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.560 me and I see them all. I opened up this 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.760 one and there's a picture of photograph of my guitar 0:16:54.280 --> 0:17:00.200 slightly singed but but it's my lastly right at the up, 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:04.200 you know, slightly singed, but but there it is. There's 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.280 a picture, and I thought this picture where in an 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.480 email to me from someone who would got ahold of 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:16.359 the guitar. As it happens in Kurasau, which is a 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:21.919 little island off the coast of Caracas. Someone had sold 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:26.359 it to this gentleman and he took it to someone 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.199 who fixed guitars, and they knew what it was. And 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.719 it took two years of a very gray area and 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:35.440 was he's saying like, I don't want to get proceed. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:36.840 I want to get this guitary, but I want to 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.080 go to jail. That was the thing. No one wanted 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.760 to actually come money. It wasn't about he wanted. There 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.400 was a reward talked about, but every time it would 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.200 get close to someone coming in, they'd find something reason 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:49.880 why they couldn't come in, So that's why it took 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.040 two years. And then in the end the guy actually 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.240 checked to see if we had booked in a hotel 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.320 because he just saw himself in handcuffs at Miami Airport, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:03.280 you know. And what happens while the two gentlemen walk 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.800 in and he's got it in this probably one of 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.080 the worst looking gig bags I've ever seen in my life, cheap, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.360 old plastic thing. He puts it beside him, you know, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.440 and he tells the story in broken English of how 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.159 this person had it and the whole thing. So then 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.760 he hands it to me and he goes Philip to 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.800 Peter Philip so and I know that he knows because 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.080 it was the lightest les pool I'd ever played. So 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.400 I just felt it in the case and who this 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.240 could be it? You know, opened it up. I just 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.040 looked at it and I just feel it like that, 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.320 and I go, it's my guitar. How badly was it sed? Where? 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.640 Just round the very top it lost the binding around 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:50.320 the headstock. Get the replaced. No, I didn't, I left it. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.800 I've left it with its battle scars. Gibson made it playable, 0:18:55.560 --> 0:19:00.159 so we refreshed all the caracas kiss and there is 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.560 this sound the same. Does it feel the same? Just that? Yeah. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:10.719 And when I first played it at rehearsals with the band, 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.560 everybody had this like cheshire cat grin on their face 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.960 because it has the sound and it sounds like Frampton 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:24.280 comes alive. You know, you don't have to try too hard. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:27.399 And you got that back when I got it back 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.679 just before we started touring in February and March for 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.400 the last American leg. I used it a little bit 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.879 at rehearsals, and then I brought it out for the 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.520 first night at the Beacon. I think the guitar is 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.160 more famous than I am now, So you were meant 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.359 to play that music with that guitar. Yeah, And I 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.520 remember saying someone that before I went out that night. 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.520 I just hope emotionally I'm going to be able to 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.280 play it. And I brought it out for do You Feel? 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.320 And I messed up the first leg because I couldn't 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.840 believe I was playing how can you fumble dead? Me? 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.040 I did? It was like meant to be, you know 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.440 I And once I got it was saying to me, 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.640 come on, get it together, you know. And yes, it's 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:28.240 I'm back. Now get over it. You know what music 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:29.919 do you listen to? Now? Who do you like? Um? 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.000 Right now? This week band of Skulls. My son turned 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.159 me onto and daughter turned me onto them. And I 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.960 went to Coachella I saw Radiohead. I still I'm a 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.520 Radiohead fanatic. I just loved them. I think they're so 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:49.120 not mainstream, but they became mainstream because they're just so unique. 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.000 Peter Frampton says he didn't listen to Radiohead early on, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.840 but now it's one of the few bands he and 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:14.240 his kids enjoyed together. Next up, we'll hear from the 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:18.760 leader of Radiohead himself, Tom York, also a father. My 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.560 son is a great drama. But I don't know if 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.520 you want to do that forever or He's like not 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.639 bullet really, which is cool too. English musicians, almost twenty 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.840 years apart in age, each with their own approach to 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:35.280 surviving life as a rock star. Peter Frampton seems fueled 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.720 by a stadium full of adoring fans, but for Tom York, well, 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:43.720 performing is more complicated. It takes a long time for 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:54.440 that to become natural. I think I'm Alec Baldwin and 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.920 here's the thing, Take a listen to our archive more 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:03.320 in depth conversations with artists, policymakers, and performers like Patti Lapone, 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:07.080 Herb Albert, and Erica Jong. The media is more all 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:11.280 pervasive and the image of women is even more confusing 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.320 than it's ever been. I believe that's true. Go to 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:38.320 Here's the Thing dot org. This is Alec Baldwin and 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:47.679 you're listening to Here's the Thing just engine. Radiohead released 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:57.080 their stunning debut single, Creep Slow. It was quiet, yet explosive, 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:05.920 even haunting, and it's refrained had a powerful hook. Radioheads 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.560 frontman and principal songwriter Tom Yorke is my guest, and 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.080 if it was his wish to be special, the world 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:16.560 granted it. York's band has become a commercial and critical success, 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:31.160 selling over thirty million albums Do It's Serious. Each new 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:35.480 album explores a different sound, delighting their followers and scooping 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:49.040 up more fans along the way. The spirit of experimentation 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.440 isn't limited to their music. In two thousand seven, York 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:56.440 and his bandmates released in Rainbows on their website. First 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.960 fans were invited to pay what they wanted for the album. 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.840 Radiohead may not have been the first. The thumbags knows 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:06.800 that the music industrial complex, but they might be the 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.080 first to do so and sell out a major arena. 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.200 That said, Tom York hasn't been comfortable in the spotlight. 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.800 You don't do a lot of press um where you 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:18.520 do what I was now on and as needed basis 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:24.399 the need from basis, yea kind of York complains about 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:28.399 celebrity worship, and I wasn't sure what to expect. Actually, 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.040 I've got you a health food snack, did you yeah, 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.159 because someone told me you were like all vegetarian and 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:39.359 non Tom York is, after all, a guy who's married 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:42.040 and has two kids. It can be easy to forget 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:45.560 he's been a rock star for over twenty years. We 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:51.320 started when we were sixteen. Radiohead's and some bands that 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.480 have had a tremendous longevity, obviously the Rolling Stones of 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:57.679 the premier example, they've changed partners over there's like they 0:24:57.720 --> 0:24:59.600 were the New York Yankees. You know, there's somebody else 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.960 playing a base every four or five years. But you guys, 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.800 it's the same cast of people all the sudden. What 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:10.719 do you attribute that to persistence? My great diplomatic skills 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.879 not But there must be times when they've I mean, 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:16.960 I'll never forget, McCartney said to me, even the Beatles 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.359 got tired of being the Beatles. Were the times you 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:20.720 guys said there and looked at each other and said, 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:24.360 I think we're done. I do that frequently, right, frequently, 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:26.920 I mean at least the others two not as much. 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.600 They just wait for me to do it. Um. It 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.639 goes through these phases. You know, we've grown up together. 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.200 It's weird. I mean, um. So, we just did a 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:41.399 tour last year, right, and it was probably, in theory, 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.280 the scariest one we've ever done, because it was lots 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.560 of big gigs, which I normally am spending my time 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.800 trying to shy away from. Why because you can't achieve 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:51.159 technically in a large space where you normally want to 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.840 exactly that you can't get across to people the right way, 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:58.000 I felt. So we did spend a lot of time 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.560 and effort coming up with like a stage design which 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.160 used screens in a certain way which made it intimate, 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.080 even though you know, some nights was like thirty or 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:10.399 forty people trying to create some sort of intimacy with that, 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:23.720 and when it worked, it was insane, because the upside 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.760 of plane to that many people is you have this 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:30.760 really crazy collective energy that you can tap into like 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:34.200 a crowd, you know. I think there's one chair we 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:37.879 did in Phoenix that sticks in my mind where there 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.359 was something about maybe that it was in Phoenix and 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.560 people don't get the opportunity those sort of people don't 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:46.200 get the opportunity to get together that often or something. 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:48.600 There was some sort of excitement within the crowd that 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:52.040 was so great to play with. When when we hit 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.880 it musically, it felt like the whole room, the whole 0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.440 of the building was moving. Honestly, we both came off, 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.720 you know, and bump. I understand that not from my 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:06.600 own experience, but from seeing artists perform. You know. I 0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:10.760 often asked myself, why the hell would would you put 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.760 yourself through this? Because it's very stressful. It's a lot 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.280