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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the search for a beautiful

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Speaker 1: young Florida mom, Cassie Carly has come to an end.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious X

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Speaker 1: one eleven. Listen to this. Cassie Carley, who's been missing

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Speaker 1: executing a search warrant in Alabama. It was in a

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Speaker 1: as we reported earlier, the suspect is currently in jail

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Speaker 1: and Mori County, Tennessee on the charges of tampering with

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Speaker 1: evidence and giving false info reference missing person's investigation. Cassie's

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Speaker 1: body has been found in a very, very unusual location.

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Speaker 1: This is such a devastating blow to all of her

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Speaker 1: family and friends desperate to find the missing mom after

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Speaker 1: her Taught Girls sailor was found alive and well, you

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Speaker 1: were just hearing Sheriff Bob Johnson from the Santa Rosa

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Speaker 1: at w ea RTV. Sheriff Bob Johnson said it best.

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Speaker 1: This is obviously not the ending anyone wanted. In fact,

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Speaker 1: moments after that announcement. She tells me she's lived here

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Speaker 1: Earlier today, at two pm, the Santa Rosa County Sheriff's

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Speaker 1: add Cassie's ex boyfriend, Marcus Spanavello, has ties to it.

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson says he met with the family this morning

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Speaker 1: it gives them some closure that they know where she's

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Speaker 1: state away in Alabama. You were just hearing more from

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Speaker 1: the local sheriff, But now here are friends At w

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Speaker 1: of hunting unknowns has come to a devastating conclusion. She

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Speaker 1: her own. Corly was last seen meeting her boyfriend, Marcus

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Speaker 1: their four year old daughter. Six days later, Corley's body

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it happened. It could happen in any community,

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Speaker 1: and I don't I'm not afraid God's got this. You

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Speaker 1: some type of peace with the murder. Of this young mom,

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Speaker 1: Cassie Carly, But there will be no peace until there

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Speaker 1: is justice in this case. Joining me an all star

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Speaker 1: Former felony prosecutor now renowned defense attorney in multiple jurisdictions.

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen joining us and you can find him at

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Speaker 1: c CEA Law dot com. Karen Stark Psychologists joining us

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Speaker 1: from the Manhattan jurisdiction at Karen dot com. Lisa Daddio,

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Speaker 1: former police Lieutenant Newhaven Police and now Director for the

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Speaker 1: Center for Advancing Policing University New Haven. Doctor Tim Gallagher,

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Speaker 1: medical examiner for the entire State of Florida, lecturer University

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Speaker 1: Florida Medical School, FORENSICCT Medicine, and the founder and host

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Speaker 1: of the International FORENSICCT Medicine Death Investigation Conference. But first

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Speaker 1: to crime online dot COM's investigative reporter Dave mac Dave,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, the Senate, Rosa

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office has made a very upsetting announcement. The

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Speaker 1: body of Cassie Crawley. This young mom, mom to four

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Speaker 1: Manhattan today. Karen, you and I have often marveled, not

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Speaker 1: It's just so bizarre to me. And in this case

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Speaker 1: where her phone was discarded. That's what they should do,

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00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: and that way they'll pin the destruction or the abandonment

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00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: of her phone to him. And that leads me to

429
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: my final question. Ergo in argument to you, Daryl Cohen,

430
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: if in fact he got rid of her cell phone,

431
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: what is one innocent reason he would get rid of

432
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: Carly's cell phone other than he killed her? Give you

433
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: one reason, Nancy, if I could find one reason on

434
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: this earth, I would tell you he got rid of

435
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: his cell phone because in his brilliance, in his own mind,

436
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: by disposing of the cell phone, they would not follow him.

437
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: But his own mind wasn't brilliant. He just thought it was.

438
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: Or Lisa Daddio, let's analyze this Susanne moore few husband, Barrymorephew,

439
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: and the hours leading up to her or Suzanne's disappearance.

440
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: Barrymorephew turned off his cell phone? Or did he put

441
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: it in airplane mode? Jack? Either one? I mean, Lisa,

442
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: when's the last time you put your phone in airplane mode?

443
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: Last time I didn't. I was on a plane. Exactly

444
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: me too, unless you're trying to hide something. So if

445
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: your phone is not traveling along with Carly's phone before

446
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: you discard it, if you have your phone turned off

447
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: during that period of time, or on airplane mode. To me,

448
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: that's just as damning as traveling along with her phone. Well,

449
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: you know as well as I do. It becomes circumstantial

450
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: at that point. And are you saying that to me?

451
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't care. Why are you saying that, like there's

452
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: something wrong with circumstantials. You're gonna put spit it out

453
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: of your mouth. The law is in black and white,

454
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: codified in the Georgia and every other criminal code in

455
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: this country that circumstantial evidence is as powerful as direct

456
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: evidence such as an eyewitness or DNA or a fingerprint.

457
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: So why are you saying, oh, but it's circumstantial. Why

458
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: are you telling me that? I'm saying it because as

459
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: what's currently happening in this country is circumstantial cases that

460
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: used to be able to get adjudicated and convictions found

461
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: are few and far between. Now, well, I don't know

462
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, because I find the opposite. I

463
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: find circumstantial evidence to be riveting for juries. And I mean,

464
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, you and Lisa daddy O, you're like the

465
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: Devil's league today. What has happened to you? How many

466
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: cases did you know circumstantial evidence? I wouldn't really no, Nancy. Look,

467
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: we used to use that the DA's office, and the

468
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: argument was shall we still use it? Went to bed

469
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: last night, there's no snow on the ground. Woke up

470
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: there was snow on the ground. How did you get Wow?

471
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: You know ye, Nancy, you mentioned Scott Peterson. I mean,

472
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: thank you, Karen, throw me a bone here for Pete's sake.

473
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: It's but it's true. I mean criminals, especially when the

474
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: ones that are caught, they make stupid mistakes. And all

475
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: you have to do is someone's on the lamb and

476
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: hiding is keep track of their families, and eventually you're

477
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: going to get a phone call home because there's that

478
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: instinct to go where the places that you know, to

479
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: be in touch with the Pete well that you know.

480
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: And that's circumstantial. I've got another idea. Something you said,

481
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: just gave me another idea. Care and start. Another thing

482
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: they could do Dave Matt In addition to determining whether

483
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: his phone the X the last one to see her,

484
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: then she goes missing, but he has the baby, and

485
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: the baby Sailor is alive. Another thing they could do

486
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: is look at his nav navigation system and his vehicle

487
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: and determine was it traveling along the same trajectory, the

488
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: same path as her cell phone. That might be another

489
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: way they could prove that he was with her cell

490
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: phone at the time it was discarded. What about that thought, Actually, Nancy,

491
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you know, the police we're giving us

492
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: very little information and still continue that because it's ongoing investigation.

493
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: But something that we've been able to put together is

494
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: when police from Santa Rosa County, Florida went to Birmingham, Alabama,

495
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: to talk to Marcus Spinavello. That's when they already knew

496
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: certain things happened. They had already seen these texts that

497
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: Spanavello had sent to her family members, and so they

498
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: knew and he, I guess thought if he destroys the phone,

499
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: they won't be able to get these messages or something.

500
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: Because once they talked to him, they talked with sailor

501
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: and they were able to realize that he's not helping.

502
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: He's actually lying. He told them things in that first

503
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: interview that they already knew were untrue. So immediately they

504
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 1: started focusing on him and where he had been. That's

505
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: how they located that he actually was working in Springville, Alabama.

506
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: He was apparently contracting for a audio visual company there.

507
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: They found that he was working on this house. That's

508
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: how they got the warrant. They were able to track

509
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: it all back because they were trying to find that phone.

510
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: That's why I love it when defendants insist on talking,

511
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: because even if they're not spouting an outright lie, everything

512
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: they say is going to be dissected and parsed and

513
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: there will be lies in it. Okay, you were just

514
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: hearing our friend Dave Matt from Crime Online describing that

515
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: cops already knew, the sheriffs in Sana Rosa County already

516
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: knew a lot and as this guy kept talking as Spinavello,

517
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: they were just shaking their heads because they knew he

518
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: was spouting lies. So how is he connected to this

519
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: location where this young mom's body is found in a

520
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: shallow grave underneath underneath the cowpoop. Take a listen an

521
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: hour cut fifteen our friends at w VTM thirteen. So

522
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: what is Spinevello's connection with the property where Carly's body

523
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: was found? We tracked down the property's owner. He tells

524
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: us that Spinavello was helping him renovate this hold, which

525
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: is only about one hundred and fifty yards away from

526
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: the barn where Carly's body was buried. Spinevello was arrested

527
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: southwest of Nashville over the weekend. He faces charges of

528
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: destroying Corley's phone and lying to investigators at this time,

529
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: how have you, But the Sheriff's office says those charges

530
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: could be upgraded. We hated that Cassie has passed away,

531
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: but it's good to get closure for the family, and

532
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: it's good to keep this dirt bag in jail where

533
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: he belongs. Corley's daughter was found safe. Her family looks

534
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: forward to reuniting with her and honoring her mom's life.

535
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: I celebration. You are hearing statements from the sheriff, and

536
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: you're also hearing the X being called a dirt bag,

537
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: And as you may guess, he's being a complete jackass

538
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: from beginning to end. Take a listen to reporter Shelby Myers,

539
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: our cut seventeen from our friends at Fox ten. I

540
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: can tell you this. He was totally uncooperative. He never

541
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: cooperated at all with us, and that goes a long way.

542
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it. It's it's your baby's

543
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: mother and she's missing and you're not going to cooperate

544
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: with authorities sets kind of telltale. He is facing charges

545
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: of allegedly tampering with Carly's cell phone and lying to

546
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: investigators about her disappearance. Spentavello choking up while in court

547
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: explaining to a judge just why he's fighting extradition. In

548
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: the meantime, Ryan Carly says she's fighting for custody of

549
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: her sister's four year old daughter, adding that Carly's legacy

550
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: will live on through Sailor. She will shine through Sailor.

551
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: That is the one good thing we are looking forward,

552
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 1: So we will always have a piece of Cassie with Sailor. Well,

553
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: they're being a lot more altruistic than I could be

554
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: in those circumstances. Talk about circumstances to you, Dave mc

555
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: joining us crime online dot com. I do not believe

556
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: it's just a coincidence that just before Cassie goes missing

557
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: at a drop off of her little daughter, Sailor, he

558
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: was hit the X was hit with about a five

559
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: thousand dollars bill for expenses relating to custody, attorney's fees

560
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: and so forth. And then suddenly she goes missing and

561
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: she's dead. When he's forced to pay out thousands of dollars.

562
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, it's shocking when you look back at

563
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: the history of the family. You mentioned the fifty nine

564
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: hundred dollars that Spainavella was hit with to cover Cassie

565
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: Carley's attorney fee. Don't you know that burned him up

566
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: having to pay her attorney's fees and losing the court

567
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: battle as well. Whoa the thing that you know, Nancy?

568
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: Over and over this guy kept taking her to court.

569
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: He called the police, he called CPS, He did everything

570
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: he could to make her life miserable and costing her

571
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars. That's why Ray and her younger sister

572
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: actually started a go fund me to help Carlt have

573
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: Cassie raise money to hire a decent attorney to fight

574
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: this guy about six thousand dollars some reports five, but

575
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: I think you're right fifty nine hundred dollars he was

576
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: ordered to pay. But rather than over suddenly Cassie Carly

577
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: goes missing. And as you heard report Shelby Myers and

578
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: Sheriff Bob Johnson, he absolutely is not cooperating and a

579
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: few things he has been saying. According to reports, our lives.

580
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: Now we're looking at the process. Darryl Cohen of extradition.

581
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut sixteen our friends at

582
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: Fox ten. Are you willing to waive extradition? More now?

583
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: On the man at the center of a murder invest instigation,

584
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Marcus Spanavello not quite ready to leave Tennessee and face

585
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: the music. In Santa Rosa County, Florida, deputy say he

586
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: was the last person to see Cassie Carley alive during

587
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: a custody exchange of their daughter in Navarre Beach, and

588
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: today in court, Spanavello getting emotional as he talked about

589
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: that little girl. Are you willing to weigh the extradition?

590
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: Marcus Spanavello will spend at least nine more days in

591
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: a Tennessee jail. Spinavello was picked up there on Saturday

592
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: during a traffic stop. Investigators say he was the last

593
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: person to see Cassie Carley alive the old traffic stop maneuver.

594
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: Just like Timothy McVeigh Okay City bomber. They pulled him

595
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: over on a traffic stop too. Daryl Cohen, forget about

596
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: the traffic stop extradition. Wi FI extradition extradition is not

597
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: really a fact finding hearing. You can do one in

598
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: about five minute. All you have is a letter from

599
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: the governor in the extra dining state, which is Florida.

600
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: You can get one of those overnight. It can be

601
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: facts or emailed over. And all you ask the defendant

602
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: is are you Marcus Spanavello. If they want answer, you

603
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: have to do a fingerprint. But if they are, if

604
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: he says yes, I'm Mark Spanavello, and you have the

605
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: letter from the governor and the other state, ma'am, that's

606
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: the end of the hearing. Nancy, It's almost laughable. Whoever

607
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: is advising this guy is not doing the right job

608
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: if he's getting advice, because these people think, well, I'm

609
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: not going to fight extra I'm fighting extradition. He's still

610
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: going to go. It's just a question of whether it

611
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: goes stay tomorrow or next month. You're going, and you're

612
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: just irritating everyone involved because it's simply a matter of

613
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: are you Daryl Cohen? And even if you want answer,

614
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I would have a fingerprint to match you up to

615
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: being Darryl Cohen. It'd be sent postase to whoever wants you,

616
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: because I guarantee they do not want him in Tennessee

617
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: or Alabama. He needs to go back to Florida and

618
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: start getting ready for trial. Dave Mack, any word on

619
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: bond as we sit right now, they have not set bond.

620
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: They're waiting on the results of the autopsy, which we

621
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: should have in the coming days. Do you think they'll

622
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: do the autopsy doctor Gallagher and Alabama where she is found,

623
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: or in Florida, where the trial will be. They'll do

624
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: the autopsy in Alabama. Typically the laws go that wherever

625
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: the body is found, that's the jurisdiction that will do

626
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: the autopsy there. And they have an excellent crew in Birmingham.

627
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: They're going to do a fine job and it's going

628
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: to be a very convincing presentation at the trial. We

629
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds, and there's no better place for

630
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Marcus Spinivello to be than behind bars, Oh except for

631
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: having dinner with Satan when he goes to hell. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace com story signing off Goodbye Friend,