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Speaker 1: Okay, actually this isn't apparent rant, well kind of, this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you these do not exist anymore. And I am

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's the thing. It's like now there's there's multiplayer games.

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Speaker 2: meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right strong, and there's

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Speaker 3: Beefcake and the Rockers Sean Michaels and Marty Jeannetti.

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Speaker 3: we are talking to Bonnie Bartlett. Yeah, there you're there, Bonnie.

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Speaker 5: And that was extremely helpful to Bill, who had all

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Speaker 5: It was on a Pilco playhouse and I played the part.

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Speaker 2: So how many years were you on Love of Life?

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Speaker 5: When I came to New York because many years later, yes,

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Speaker 4: I needed, That's all I needed, and I stopped.

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00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 5: I just stopped, and I spent time going to school

446
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 5: with them and doing all the things at school. I

447
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 5: actually lived at their schools. And Michael was very independent,

448
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 5: even as a six year old, very independent in New

449
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 5: York at that time.

450
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 4: Do you believe it? He could come out of the apartment,

451
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 4: go downstairs, go across the street, take a bus down there,

452
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 4: take another bus all the way to the east side,

453
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 4: and then walk to school.

454
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 5: You couldn't do that today. And he was great. He

455
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 5: was a big boy too, so he was great, very

456
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 5: very independent. But he now he loves la he loves living.

457
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so getting back to a little house on the prairie.

458
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy working on that show?

459
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 4: It was pure pleasure.

460
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I have been so lucky that I have

461
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 5: rare other than the soap. I have never been in

462
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 5: a movie or play or anything that I didn't enjoy.

463
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 4: And I liked all the people and it was just wonderful.

464
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 4: I've been blessed, blessed with wonderful directors, just delightful, delightful.

465
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 4: My career has been delightful.

466
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 3: You have appeared on so many classic TV shows, Gun Smoke,

467
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: The Patty Duke Show.

468
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: Heart to Heart.

469
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 3: Did it feel like you were making it in Hollywood?

470
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: Were you?

471
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 5: I never thought of that. I never thought of being

472
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 5: nor did Bill. But we just liked the work. Yeah,

473
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 5: you know, we didn't have a career. We wanted to work.

474
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 5: We wanted to make enough money to send our kids

475
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 5: to school.

476
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 4: And things like that. There was no.

477
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 5: Thought at that time people went into the business just

478
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 5: to work. I don't think they went into the business

479
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 5: to become stars.

480
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not the reason for it.

481
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 5: I think a lot, you know, a lot of people

482
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 5: now kind of jumped the gun.

483
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 4: That's fine.

484
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 5: That's the way the world is because everything changes. As

485
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 5: we know, everything changes. So but we we have really

486
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 5: been blessed.

487
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: We really have so sweet.

488
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: Did you even when you even when you were winning

489
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: Emmys for Saint Elsewhere, you guys weren't like, oh we've arrived,

490
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: like we have definitely established never.

491
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 5: Felt that, you know, winning an award is nice, but

492
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 5: it doesn't get you anywhere really except that forever you

493
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 5: will be described as an Emmy winning activate right, you

494
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 5: will be described as a or or Oscar winning if

495
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 5: it were an oscar.

496
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 4: You know.

497
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 5: Yes, that comes with the territory. It's good on your resume.

498
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 5: It is good on your resume, but it doesn't who

499
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 5: whip you into a lot of people who have won

500
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 5: Oscars who've disappeared.

501
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: You know, well, my as writer mentioned in nineteen eighty two,

502
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: you then booked the job of a lifetime, Ellen Craig

503
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: on Saint Elsewhere, a role that would bring you two

504
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: Emmy Awards for Best Supporting Actress and a Drama Series.

505
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: Did you always know that that character was special?

506
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 5: I knew that the show was special. I knew that

507
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 5: the writing was extraordinary, and I knew. They just brought

508
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 5: me on to play with Bill for a brief moment

509
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 5: and they picked up on it, and then they wrote

510
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 5: and wrote and wrote for us.

511
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 4: They all said that we.

512
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 5: Reminded them of their parents in many ways, you know,

513
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 5: So they kind of wrote.

514
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: That stuff, and uh, we just it just flowed. It

515
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: just came out.

516
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 5: We never worked at it, We never rehearsed there's a

517
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 5: place where you didn't have to rehearse or very little.

518
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: We never rehearsed at home or anything. He learns lines

519
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 5: one way. I learned him another.

520
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: You know, so, uh, how do you how do you

521
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: learn lines?

522
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: I just learned them in a block. I learned to

523
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 5: do that in the soap. Okay, I learned him in

524
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 5: a block. Bill learns some and and I might, I

525
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 5: might change a little bit, and it's okay, you know,

526
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 5: but I but I learned it in a in a block,

527
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 5: a paragraph at a time. And he learns them by

528
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 5: learning lines, by the pool, learning lines. And he had

529
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 5: a lot of scientific stuff. Bill has always been a

530
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 5: lawyer or a doctor. Some he just learns them by

531
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 5: going over them and learning them.

532
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: That's what he does.

533
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 5: I can learn them in my head, right, I don't

534
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 5: as a matter of fact, I don't like to go.

535
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 4: Over them too much.

536
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: I'm very curious because you know, my wife is an actor,

537
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: and we met acting and but we meet a lot

538
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: of people who, you know, they couldn't imagine two actors

539
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: being together. What was it like for you guys? Did

540
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: you ever?

541
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 4: Did you?

542
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean you say you didn't learn lines together? Could

543
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: you give each other notes, could you give each other?

544
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 4: Fee each other very much? Not so much?

545
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 5: Well, there was a play where she was very special.

546
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 5: She was very Anyway, he came up and he watched

547
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 5: the rehearsal. He said, where'd you get the funny voice? Well,

548
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 5: I knew Tom right then. That's all he had to say.

549
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 5: And I knew myself. In other words, I was imitating her,

550
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 5: imitating the actress who had been done the play in

551
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 5: the first place, because I was getting stuck, and that's

552
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 5: all he had to say, where'd you get the funny voice?

553
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: And then I knew right away? But I was on

554
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: the wrong truck. Start.

555
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: I do this my wife Alex, we do this all

556
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: the time, and it's it's actually the voice is the

557
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: main thing. Like when she is insecure about an audition,

558
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: I can always tell because I'm like, what's you're doing?

559
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: The voice thing? It's like she goes a little too high,

560
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you don't need to do that, make

561
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: it yours. And then she and once in the second

562
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: I say, she's like okay, and then it's a million

563
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: times better. But it's like whenever she's just a little off,

564
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's your director.

565
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: La.

566
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know if most people would know it

567
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: as well, you know, but it's like I know her

568
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: so well and I know exactly that tick, and I

569
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: could just like, no, you're going up, you're going up,

570
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: You're doing your thing, and then she's relaxes and it's right, and.

571
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 5: I could your playing to the house, you're playing to

572
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 5: the balcony. And then he come down and he would

573
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 5: get back. One time he was doing h one floor

574
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 5: over the Cuckoo's List, And when I went out town

575
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 5: to see him and he said, what do you think?

576
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 4: He said, it's like you don't want to be a

577
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 4: the stage. And that was true.

578
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 6: He didn't want to be there, Douglas and the part

579
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 6: he didn't like, and he didn't like and he you know,

580
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 6: so he immediately knew what I meant because he didn't

581
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 6: want to be on the stage, right.

582
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: But he didn't know that. Still, I said, it looks

583
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 5: like you don't want to be on the stage.

584
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: Wow.

585
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: And then he was like, you know, I'm not enjoying this.

586
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 5: Wow.

587
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: There were so many heavy hitters on Saint Elsewhere, so

588
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: much talent, so much success. With something like that, did

589
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: you run into a lot of egos? Or does everyone

590
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: kind of wrangle it in because they've got great material.

591
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 4: Everybody wanted to be on the show. He called the producer.

592
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 5: Very prominent actors would call the producer and say, please

593
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 5: put me on the show, you know, try to find

594
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 5: something for me because they all everybody knew that it

595
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: was so well written. Yeah, it was so well produced.

596
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, and all these wonderful actors were

597
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 5: on it. So what we had Denzel was just a

598
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 5: kind of beginning movie career, so he kind of had

599
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 5: the job, but he was doing other things too. But

600
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 5: he it was a paycheck for him, you know, because

601
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 5: he he was always getting released to do a movie

602
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 5: or something, and you know, the producer was wonderful with him.

603
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 5: So but yet it gave him a paycheck to raise

604
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 5: his family. So let's see. I know, Oh, Betty White

605
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 5: asked to be on the show, and so they wrote

606
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 5: something and she was very nervous, just nervous because it

607
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 5: wasn't funny, you know, Betty.

608
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: But she did a good job. But she said, I've

609
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: never been so nervous in my life.

610
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

611
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so crazy nervous. And you know, Betty boy, yeah,

612
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, how could she be nervous.

613
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: I know, you'd think nothing would make her nervous, but.

614
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 4: After all she'd done.

615
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I knew her in New York when she was

616
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 5: doing live commercials and she was wonderful. And I think

617
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 5: that's the hardest thing in the world to do live commercial.

618
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't even what is a live commercial?

619
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: What is that? A live commercial? Spokesman? And you just

620
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 4: come on and you.

621
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: Have a little uh QVC like QVC.

622
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 5: No, But I mean you're you're you're pumping a product

623
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 5: and you're talking and you talk.

624
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: For a minute or two or whatever it is. It's

625
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: all you talking about the product. And it's the hardest

626
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: thing in the world.

627
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, because you're not a character, you know,

628
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 5: but some people Betty, Betty was great at that.

629
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: But Betty could do that.

630
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 5: She would go out to the audience, you know, and

631
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 5: talk to them and all of that. And I had

632
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 5: a friend Georgia Ane Johnson, a wonderful actress who's no

633
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 5: longer with.

634
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: Us either, but she could do those.

635
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 5: She made a lot of money in New York doing

636
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 5: those long live commercials. Woo hard. I was good at it.

637
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: I had to do a couple in Woo It was

638
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 5: a challenge.

639
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: What what what are you really good at? What has

640
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: always been like your specialty? Is there a certain type.

641
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 5: Of le being a good character. I'm a character actress.

642
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 5: I go into it. The whole point is not to

643
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 5: be me. I have to learn how to well, that's

644
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: what Strasberg is all about. You learn. You have to

645
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 5: be you, but you want to be somebody else. But

646
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 5: you have to be you first, and then you take

647
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 5: on all the other character things. But don't you have

648
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 5: to have you? Like you talked to your to your wife.

649
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: You have to find it. They have to make it

650
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: your version of humanity.

651
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 5: Your humanity has to be there, right, you know, no

652
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 5: matter what the character is. But for me, I love

653
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 5: see jumping into another person's skin.

654
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 4: I love it.

655
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

656
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 5: I never wanted to be, you know what, a star,

657
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 5: a movie star now that even though I used to

658
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 5: imitate them all and I love them all.

659
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: Honey girls, Jean Harlow, people like that.

660
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 5: I don't you don't even know the names, but I

661
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 5: would imitate all, you know, very sexy stuff. Yes, come

662
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 5: out and see me sometime.

663
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 4: You know, when I was a little girl, see me.

664
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: Sometimes I would imitate them all because.

665
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: You were also part of a generation that really shifted acting.

666
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like from what from those movie stars that

667
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: you were imitating that you know, they were doing very

668
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: different things than what you your generation started doing, especially

669
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: in like the sixties and seventies, Like I feel like,

670
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: I mean, were you aware of what was happening and

671
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: did you feel like were you proud of what you

672
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: were doing and able to see these other actors around

673
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: you making conscious choices and changing the way actors act?

674
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 5: Yes, I think I learned from all of the wonderful actors.

675
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 5: One of the first play I saw in New York

676
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 5: was Julie Harris in Member of the Wedding. Was a

677
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 5: great lesson in acting because she was playing a fourteen

678
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 5: year old girl. But it was Julie, you know, and

679
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 5: she was wonderful, and everything that she would do after

680
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 5: that was anything I saw her in. I thought she

681
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 5: was wonderful all the Oh, of course, the greatest of

682
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 5: all Zudah Hagen, I mean you could, of course she taught.

683
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 5: I never studied with her. I'm sorry I didn't, but

684
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 5: I never did. But she I can't tell you how

685
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 5: many amazing performances she did, totally different, totally different in

686
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 5: one play she would be the quiet wife, but she

687
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 5: was so strong on the stage that she was always thinking.

688
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: And you read her.

689
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: Thoughts right Virginia Wolf? Right, she was the first. Who's

690
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: who's afraid of Virginia Wolf? Wasn't she?

691
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: She was?

692
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: Wasn't she Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf? She was the first?

693
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: Oh great she originated it, right, But that's so.

694
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the uh. Yeah, she was absolutely superb. Huh yeah,

695
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 5: really superb. I mean, I don't mean to disparage it,

696
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 5: but if you saw to see Elizabeth Taylor in.

697
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: That part, is nothing compared to what she was doing

698
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: to the play.

699
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 5: I mean, she was good, she did a good job

700
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 5: for her, she did a job, but none of the depth.

701
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: Udah Hagen was superb actress.

702
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 3: Our audience will also recognize you as Mary Anne Benedict.

703
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: In the movie Twins.

704
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: You played the mother of Julius and Vincent, the mother

705
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: of unlikely twins played by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

706
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: And Danny DeVito.

707
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: Please tell us everything you remember about working with the

708
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: two of them.

709
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 4: But they were darling, both of them in different ways.

710
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 5: I liked Arnold a lot, and Arnold's a very smart guy,

711
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 5: smart guy, and at one point I said to it.

712
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: I looked at him and I said, you know, I

713
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 5: could be your mother. I could be your mother. He said,

714
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 5: my mother, my lover.

715
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: The flirt.

716
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 5: Very flirtatious and Danny I knew, of course, from a

717
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 5: lot of television, so I sort of knew about him.

718
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 4: But when I went to the reading and I saw this.

719
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: Guy and clothes that didn't fit him, the first you

720
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 5: out what is this all about?

721
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: I don't want to do this movie.

722
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: And I made a huge mistake, almost left the movie,

723
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 5: but my agent made me go to see the director

724
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 5: and he said.

725
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: Well, what do you what? What's the matter? What? What

726
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 4: don't you like about this?

727
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 5: I said, well, and I went through the whole thing

728
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 5: and I said there should be something here, so there

729
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 5: should be something and then if she could do And

730
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 5: then he said, well, I'll.

731
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: Tell you what I'm going to do, Bonnie.

732
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 5: I can't make you do this movie, but I'm going

733
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 5: to use all of your suggestions.

734
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: And you want you to know that, Wow, how do

735
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: you leave?

736
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: That?

737
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 4: You don't you stay? You stay? I don't know got

738
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 4: into me.

739
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 5: I just I didn't realize the I probably am not

740
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 5: that good at comedy.

741
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 4: So I didn't realize.

742
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 5: The h how could this could be? I didn't realize

743
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 5: it at all, and I was very surprised. And after

744
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: I went to a screening afterwards and Arnold was there

745
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 5: with his wife, who was Kennedy. I said to her,

746
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 5: aren't you proud of him? And she said, oh, yes,

747
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 5: you know.

748
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 4: He said, should I go to New York and study

749
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: and be an actor?

750
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 5: I said, no, no instincts for an actor. Just do

751
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 5: what you're doing. Just keep going on track, So don't

752
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 5: worry about it. Don't don't don't worry about being a

753
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 5: theater actor. You don't want to do that.

754
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: And others will remember you as Barbara Thorndyke on The

755
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: Golden Girls.

756
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 5: That was so much fun, you know. That was a

757
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 5: little part that I took that. I thought, oh, it

758
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: has been amazing people.

759
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: I know it's only you only appeared in one episode,

760
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: but it is a fan favorite.

761
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 4: It is, and.

762
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 5: It's because I was such a nice you know what

763
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 5: I mean, I was like such a terrible I that

764
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 5: was my mother. I based that whole character on my mother.

765
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 5: I've made that, you know, and not thinking.

766
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 4: That this is a terrible person at all. She was.

767
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 5: She would smile and say something like that, smile say

768
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry you can't come right right.

769
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: I mean she would do that.

770
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 5: She could do that in a minute, be anti semitic,

771
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: but be very sweet about it. You know, she'd be

772
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 5: very sweet about it.

773
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: After you did that role, did anybody ever mistake you

774
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: for that character? Like, did you ever feel like people

775
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: would meet you and then think of you as.

776
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: Kind of being a villain?

777
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

778
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't think so.

779
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 5: But I was surprised at how it's the most watch

780
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 5: of the Golden Girls shows.

781
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real fan favorite. You're it's a fan.

782
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 4: Favorite, and I'm delighted. But I was surprised. Yes, I

783
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: was surprised.

784
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 5: When I went out to the I had been on

785
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 5: Saint Elsewhere, so I want to well the beginning of

786
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 5: the show and the audience and the audience, Oh there's.

787
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 4: Ellen Craig, you know one day Ellen Craig.

788
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: And then after the show and I walked out and

789
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 5: they booed, you knew.

790
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: You got them?

791
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 5: That's great, And I, oh, Bill said, don't if if

792
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 5: you want to play anti so many characters, that's what

793
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 5: you're gonna get. Yeah.

794
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so cool.

795
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 4: It's great. It's great that the audience is so percested.

796
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: You got them.

797
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: Bill always says that the audiences will tell you what

798
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 5: you got.

799
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

800
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: So that's like you guys, uh and you guys and

801
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 5: mister Feenie, that's why you guys have this huge audience

802
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 5: and it goes on and on because it's the audience

803
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 5: that tells you what they like and onto and fortunate.

804
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 4: You're fortunate as we have been.

805
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: We really are.

806
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: Do you remember any roles you almost got and then

807
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: were so bummed about, Like any movies or TV shows

808
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 3: that feel like the ones that got away?

809
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: Well, there was a Blay.

810
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 5: We're gonna not remember the name, but there was a

811
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 5: play in New York that I was up for and

812
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 5: I thought I got and they they done away ended

813
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 5: up doing it and it took her to Hollywood and

814
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 5: it was a part I surely did want and she

815
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 5: was wonderful.

816
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 4: And I didn't get to do it. So that was one.

817
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 5: And then there was a time when I was asked

818
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 5: to do a play edit all big play and it

819
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 5: was in stock somewhere and I wanted to do it

820
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 5: very much.

821
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 4: It was the wife.

822
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 5: In one of the plays, a very complicated part, and

823
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: I wanted so much to try that, but a television

824
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 5: show came up where it's a lot of money, and

825
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 5: so I decided not to do it.

826
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: I've always regretted that.

827
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: They said you can come in a little late, you

828
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 5: could come in a few days late, but I thought, no, No,

829
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 5: I need that rehearsal to do that.

830
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: You just don't walk into an Edward All play.

831
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 5: And you got a rehearsal. You can't just walk through that.

832
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 5: And I but I've always regretted it. I wish I

833
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 5: had done that. I mean, we were out here where

834
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 5: Nick Boys were fine, I could have. It was just

835
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: a mistake that I made in favor of money, really television,

836
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 5: where I should not have taken that television.

837
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: I should have gone and done the play there for.

838
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: Me, right for me and my native pursuit.

839
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 5: I never got to play that part, and it's a

840
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 5: perfect part for me to tackle.

841
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 4: Yes, there you go.

842
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk Boy meets World a little bit.

843
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: Obviously, Bill was on the show since moment one playing

844
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: our mister Feenie, and we know Michael broached the idea

845
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: with him about having you join the show. And obviously

846
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: we all had already known you. Did you have any

847
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 3: reservations about joining the cast.

848
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 5: I don't think he did broach it to Bill. Oh no,

849
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 5: I think he called me. Michael Jacobs called me and said, Bonnie,

850
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 5: would you come on the show. It'll be your regular

851
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 5: salary and come on the show two with Bill and

852
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 5: you know? And I said, of course, I'd love to.

853
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 5: And then they made the arrangements. And if Bill knew anything,

854
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 5: you know, Bill never knows anything that's going on. He

855
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 5: really never knows. He never knows what's going on in

856
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 5: the set. People I know everything. But so he said,

857
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 5: you know, and that was the way, and they brought

858
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 5: me on the show. And I think probably because I guess,

859
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 5: did he know it was the last season. I'm not

860
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 5: sure if he knew it was the.

861
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: Last It wasn't the last season.

862
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: It was season You came in in season six and

863
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: we did season seven, okay.

864
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 5: All right, So then he didn't know. I guess he

865
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 5: just wanted to bring Bill a friend. Yeah, he thought, well,

866
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 5: let's bring both.

867
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: He brought you in for one episode in season five,

868
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: but then you had the recurring role in season six, okay,

869
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: where you spent four episodes with us.

870
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: Did you have any reservations joining it or was it

871
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: just like no.

872
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 4: Except I I was.

873
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 5: I wasn't as comfortable in sitcoms as I was in drama,

874
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 5: so I did have a but I I knew if

875
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 5: I worked with Bill it would be okay.

876
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: Is it ever difficult to work with Bill? If you

877
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 3: guys have wow?

878
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 5: I love and he loved He teased me in front

879
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 5: of the sets everybody, and I love it. I didn't

880
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 5: mind it at all because I knew where it came from.

881
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 5: But he loves to tease, and that's what he likes

882
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 5: me around because he can't tease another.

883
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: Actress, right right, only you? Did you like performing in

884
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: front of a live studio audience having grown up with

885
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: theater you're used to, You're used to it.

886
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 4: Did you like it in nervis I'm a nervous actor

887
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 4: on stage. I'm nervous when I go on and.

888
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 5: Until I feel comfortable, and so.

889
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 4: It was, uh, yeah, that's a challenge for me. Let

890
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 4: me put it that way. I learned when I went

891
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 4: with Home Improvement.

892
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

893
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 5: The first show I did, I was a wreck. I

894
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 5: was a wreck, and Tim and Pat were wonderful, but

895
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 5: I was a wreck. But and then I was on

896
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 5: that show about six or seven times. By the end

897
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 5: of the time I was on it, I was just

898
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 5: getting to know how to do it. Yeah, you know,

899
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 5: so that I was very pleased. The last show that

900
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 5: I was on, I thought, there, Now that's it, you're there.

901
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 5: I was at the right level, you know, for comedy,

902
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 5: reality and comedy.

903
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: I mean I was able to do that. You know,

904
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean?

905
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a weird.

906
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: It's a tough needle to thread because you have to

907
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: bring energy. You have to bring you know, you have

908
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: to get the laughs. But you also don't want to

909
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: be just a yeah, you know, you have to find

910
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: the reality in it. Yeah, it's very hard.

911
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 5: And I remember one time that Tim uh said, look,

912
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 5: you do this, and you do.

913
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: That, and you say that, and you tell them the

914
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 4: kids that are there.

915
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 5: I said, right in the show he said it, and

916
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 5: I said, I can't do that.

917
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 4: That's shick. He said, just do it.

918
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 5: And I got three big laughs and he said, now

919
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 5: didn't that feel good? Yep? Said yes, you know, because

920
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 5: but I don't. I don't know how to orige it.

921
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 5: I just did what he told me to do right,

922
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 5: and he knew it was a funny thing.

923
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 4: And there you go. And Michael Jacobs is the same.

924
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 4: He knows where the.

925
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 5: Lafts are and he wants to make sure that you

926
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 5: do it so you get the left Yep.

927
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just it's just music. Sometimes it's like you

928
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: have to hit the rhythm and yeah, it tells the

929
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: audience that it's funny, they know. Yeah, yeah, Well.

930
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: We have been to a lot of conventions with you

931
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: and Bill, and so many people are pleasantly surprised to

932
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: find out that the Dean really is married to mister Feoenie.

933
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: And I think it's because a whole new generation of

934
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: people are discovering the show.

935
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: You know, and you guys had such long careers before,

936
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: but for the new thirteen, fourteen.

937
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: Fifteen year olds who are coming to it now, to them,

938
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: it's all new boy meets world.

939
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: Mister Feenie, yes or Bill, it's all it's all about.

940
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 4: And he and we are going to do it. We're

941
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: going to be doing a convention with you, I think

942
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 4: in Long.

943
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: Beach, yes, and in August.

944
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we'll see you guys. He misses everybody, you know,

945
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 5: he really misses everybody.

946
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: He miss you guys.

947
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 5: You know, he he's never been attached as much to

948
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 5: a group. You know, he stayed elsewhere, everybody was went

949
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 5: their own way, you know what I mean.

950
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 4: He's never been as a but he feels attached to

951
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 4: you guys.

952
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: Well, we've definitely come a long way with him.

953
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: He's seen us through you guys have seen us through

954
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: lots of different stages of life.

955
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 4: Yes, and he really loves you all. And of course

956
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 4: it's been very lucrative.

957
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 5: And we have a store online store, very successful so far,

958
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 5: and it's called the Bill and Bonnie Bill and Bonnie

959
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 5: Daniels dot com. Great online store. We sell all kinds

960
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 5: of things. Poor Bill, I make him sign books. The

961
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 5: books are going like crazy and they were out of proof.

962
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 5: We had to make.

963
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: More books and wonderful.

964
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been very successful and it gives my son

965
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 5: something to do. And I wanted that I wanted people

966
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 5: to still be able to get stuff from Bill.

967
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 3: Yes, Bill and Bonnie Daniels dot com. Just to promote

968
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: it one more time. But I also want to talk

969
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: about some of your modern work because it is also

970
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 3: incredibly impressive. You have been on parks and rec better

971
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: call Saul Key and Peel and they are all such

972
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 3: great shows. Do you and Bill still watch TV together?

973
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: And do you have any current favorites?

974
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 4: Do you know what Bill watches what every night?

975
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 5: Seinfeld, really Seinfeld, and he sits there and loves it

976
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 5: because it's all physical comedy, you know, I mean, he

977
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 5: he loves that. He loves to He thinks that girl,

978
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 5: he thinks is the funniest thing he ever saw.

979
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, he just thinks she's great.

980
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 5: And he always said, if you're if you're a pretty girl,

981
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 5: pretty actress, and our funny, he says, that's.

982
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: Golden, that's golden. You know, a pretty girl who.

983
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 5: Can be fund Barbara Harris, you know that his idea

984
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 5: of a superb comedian.

985
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, you released your memoir Middle of

986
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: the Rainbow, How a wife, mother and daughter managed to

987
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 3: find herself and win two Emmys. It's a wonderful book.

988
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: Did you enjoy the process of writing It was painful?

989
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, the writing was hard.

990
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 5: When I did the the audio I had, I loved it.

991
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 5: I loved doing the audio because I was acting, I

992
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 5: was performing. But to actually bring up all this, I

993
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 5: had a very good friend who helped editor and helped

994
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 5: me with Lauren Lester and and.

995
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 4: He says, said, put it all out there.

996
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 5: Just write and write and write and write and write everything.

997
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: You remember everything, everything.

998
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: So gosh, hmm brings up a lot.

999
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 4: It brings a.

1000
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: Lot that.

1001
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 5: Ingrid Bergmann said the best thing you can do for

1002
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 5: a long for a long.

1003
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: Life is to have a poor memory.

1004
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, which is kind of an interesting

1005
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 5: way of putting it, you know. And that's Bill, that's Bill.

1006
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 5: He remembers nothing but I remember, which is great if

1007
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 5: you're writing.

1008
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: A book, right exactly. It helps.

1009
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 5: Then you know, you got to put it all out there.

1010
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 5: You can't just put out pieces to write at all.

1011
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 4: That's me.

1012
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 5: That's my approach to life period. You know, you got

1013
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 5: to if you're going to do it, you got to

1014
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 5: put it all out there.

1015
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: You faced a little of what we face on this

1016
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: podcast quite a bit, which is the clickbait headline. You

1017
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 3: had tons of interesting stories, hundreds of pages in your memoir,

1018
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: but everyone seemed to want to focus on one small

1019
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 3: moment in the seventies where you and Bill tested the

1020
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: idea of an open marriage. Were you surprised by that

1021
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: reaction and do you have any regrets with anything you shared.

1022
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 4: I was very surprised.

1023
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was very surprised because you know, it was

1024
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 5: at a time in New York when everything was everything,

1025
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 5: you know. I mean it was a wild time, right,

1026
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 5: and not that happy a time, but it was a

1027
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 5: wild time.

1028
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1029
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 4: I don't think it made anybody happy.

1030
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 5: And then what stopped it all was AIDS. All of

1031
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 5: a sudden, there was AIDS and all that action stopped, right,

1032
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 5: you know.

1033
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 4: But yeah, I I didn't.

1034
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 5: I didn't not like it, and I didn't like it,

1035
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 5: and I was very happy when it was over.

1036
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: I was very happy.

1037
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: I was much more comfortable when you wrote about it

1038
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: in the book, and then that seemed to be the

1039
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: thing that people were focusing on the most. Did you

1040
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 3: have any regrets sharing so much?

1041
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: A little bit?

1042
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 4: A little bit?

1043
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought, Oh, I didn't think everybody would. I

1044
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 5: didn't think everybody would take it so seriously because I

1045
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 5: was part of a whole.

1046
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 4: Group of people and they wouldn't.

1047
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 5: Things have changed, yeah, things always do change. Yeah, and

1048
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 5: then COVID changes everybody. I mean, you know, things whole

1049
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 5: things now have changed, and God knows what will happen now.

1050
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 5: Those little things that I wrote about in the book

1051
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 5: that's nothing.

1052
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 4: That's nothing.

1053
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 5: That's just a long marriage to actors in a position.

1054
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 5: If we were somewhere else, we wouldn't have behaved that way.

1055
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 5: It's just you behave the way you're allowed to behave,

1056
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 5: you know. And it was part of the part of

1057
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 5: the routine. It was routine.

1058
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 3: Well, we know our audience and really the entire world

1059
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: recently celebrated Bill's ninety eighth birthday recently, and I know

1060
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: everyone including us, would love and update.

1061
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 2: How is Bill doing well?

1062
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 5: As I told you, he watches Seinfeld, he raises New

1063
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 5: York Times, and he's at a place where as he's

1064
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 5: never remembered things, so that that's always been there, but

1065
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 5: now it's more. He's very forgetful. He's very he will

1066
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 5: forget people. He had a very close friend who just

1067
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 5: died and he can't.

1068
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 4: Cope with that.

1069
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 5: He can't, he said, I can't believe it. I can't

1070
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 5: believe he's no longer here. He was a guy that

1071
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 5: he helped him a lot when he was the president

1072
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 5: of SAG and that all the deaths are hard for him,

1073
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 5: and most of them are men. Yeah, and his men

1074
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 5: friends are all gone. So that's very hard for him.

1075
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he just went out.

1076
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 5: This morning for breakfast with a guy who was a

1077
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 5: friend from SAG. You know, he helped him there. He

1078
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 5: got very close to a lot of people at SAG.

1079
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 5: He had a lot of enemies, and it was very

1080
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 5: hard because you had a lot of enemies. But he

1081
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 5: made some very close buddies, just friends, not actors, just you.

1082
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 4: Know, commercial people not in his field.

1083
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: Necessarily interesting. Interesting.

1084
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: Well, Bonnie, we love seeing you every time. I'm very

1085
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 3: excited that we get to see you at the end

1086
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 3: of August. Thank you for coming, yes, and thank you

1087
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: for coming and spending a whole hour of your time

1088
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 3: with us.

1089
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: It was so great.

1090
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 3: As much as we love Bill, it's so nice to

1091
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: have an entire hour dedicated to you and your accomplishments

1092
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: and all of the contributions you've made to the field

1093
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: of entertainment and to our lives and to Boy Meets World.

1094
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 3: So on, behalf of our entire audience. Thank you so

1095
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: much for spending your time with us.

1096
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 4: You you're so dear, dear, Thank.

1097
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: You so much, thank you so good to say.

1098
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bonnie.

1099
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: Great to see you too.

1100
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: We'll see you in a couple months.

1101
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 4: Okay, good bye bye.

1102
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: All is so great talking to her.

1103
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: H yeah, I you know, one of my one of

1104
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: my friends, David Pressman, his dad, Lawrence Pressman, is a

1105
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: older actor who knew them back in the theater days. Yeah,

1106
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: and he's he's younger than them by about ten or

1107
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: fifteen years. And so we have these lunches where he tells,

1108
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, we just talked, talk about those days. And

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing as like these names. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Barbara Harris, what, who to Hoggen what? And I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm learning, like I feel just from these conversations, because

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Speaker 1: there are these you know, they who they consider legends,

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Speaker 1: were like theater actors that we just don't remember, we

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Speaker 1: don't hear about, you know, and they're they're they're they're

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Speaker 1: not we don't have them on film, we don't have

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Speaker 1: you know. So like I went and saw Who's Afraid

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Speaker 1: of a Tinier Wolf with with Larry and afterwards he

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, Nod Hoggin, you have to you know,

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Speaker 1: and it was like, I'm like, where is it. He's like,

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Speaker 1: I think there might be an audio recording, but he's

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Speaker 1: so three times with her, you know, you just have

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Speaker 1: these conversations, and I love hearing about about Bill and

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Speaker 1: Bonnie back in those days.

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Speaker 2: Me too.

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Speaker 3: I love anytime we're with them and they tell us

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Speaker 3: those stories. It's always so fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Everybody was a drunk, That's what I love. Like every

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Speaker 1: one of the stories is like, yeah, oh Bill was

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Speaker 1: doing so and so it was horrible, drunk, horrible. I'm like, Bonnie,

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Speaker 1: was there anybody who was not drinking? She's like, well,

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Speaker 1: those theater it was how you survived.

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Speaker 2: And it is really interesting.

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Speaker 3: I did think it's so funny that, like for us

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Speaker 3: who grew up doing TV, and I know you obviously

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Speaker 3: you started in theater too, but like when we talk

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Speaker 3: about projects that we missed out on or whatever, we

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Speaker 3: always think of movies and TV. And any time you

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Speaker 3: talk to Bill or Bonnie about their careers, theater, theater,

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Speaker 3: the role, the parts in theater, the stories of the theater,

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Speaker 3: like it was the.

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Speaker 1: Things that's the actors medium. It's like the ultimate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even when we asked her about her book,

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Speaker 1: it was like when she got to read it, when

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Speaker 1: she got to perform it, you know, it's like when

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Speaker 1: you're that essentially an actor, it's like it's just so cool.

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Speaker 3: Well, and her biggest regret being that she took a

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Speaker 3: job she she wanted. She wanted a TV job and

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Speaker 3: it was good for the money, but she really wanted

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Speaker 3: and what would have been good for her soul? She's like,

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Speaker 3: I should have done it for me.

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Speaker 1: Oh so cool, so cool.

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