WEBVTT - Isaiah Thomas Can't Catch A Break

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode of This League, we talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when the league decides you are just washed, no

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<v Speaker 1>longer an NBA player. They do not want you, they

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<v Speaker 1>do not need you. How hard that is to change

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<v Speaker 1>their minds when it is not true. We are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Isaiah Thomas, but we're also talking about the likes

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<v Speaker 1>of Michael Beasley, Kenneth Reid, Mike James, and many many more.

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<v Speaker 1>So do me a favorite, Marty Oh, dead time, dead summer,

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<v Speaker 1>dead summer, you know when we're talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's where we're at right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So time to get into the heartwarming stories, sad stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's drop the beat and it's the same.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll be waiting for.

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<v Speaker 5>Spleen of a goal stop.

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<v Speaker 3>We got the plan.

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<v Speaker 5>If go, let me go gaping. Everybody knows.

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<v Speaker 2>If you love hoops, you love it. Do you say

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<v Speaker 2>that's true? I think he's.

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<v Speaker 1>For kids who did not become sixty three, sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven like myself and yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Knowing what Isaiah Thomas can.

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<v Speaker 3>Do at we'll call him six.

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<v Speaker 2>Feet flat is a very generous. Yeah, that he's not

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<v Speaker 2>even he's at five ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, getting back into the league is something that I

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<v Speaker 1>want for Isaiah Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about a month ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember, he broke down and cried after he scored eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>just like a month ago at the Crenshaw Classic, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, the league gave up on me. The league

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<v Speaker 1>gave up on me, And then he tweeted afterwards, Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just the league that gave.

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<v Speaker 2>Up on me. It was the whole goddamn world.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't showing y'all a snippet of me being emotional

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<v Speaker 1>so y'all can feel sorry for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell no, my life is great.

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<v Speaker 1>I was showing y'all to show you what it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like to give everything you have to something you love

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<v Speaker 1>and to.

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<v Speaker 2>See it slowly coming back where it's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>the marathon continues.

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<v Speaker 1>The emotion was tied up from the last four years,

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<v Speaker 1>battling every single day. I'm not talking about the league

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<v Speaker 1>giving up on me, lol. The world gave up on

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<v Speaker 1>me and was shitting on me while I was down

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<v Speaker 1>and out. When you love something, you'll do whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to get that. And I'm back, baby. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was when I watched that clip, I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>tear it up a little bit, like all that mental anguish,

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<v Speaker 1>all that physical anguish, knowing what he went through with

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<v Speaker 1>his sister's death, all of his hip issues with the

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<v Speaker 1>way the Boston Celtics organization ran him down to the

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<v Speaker 1>ground and discarded him like a piece of trash.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the league decided, yeah, you're trash.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though he was just an MVP candidate before he

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<v Speaker 1>got injured, Like that's where we're at. You know, five ten,

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<v Speaker 1>loose some mobility, loose athleticism, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just a guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Two time All Star, two.

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<v Speaker 2>Time All Star, And that eighty one points got people's

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<v Speaker 2>attention again.

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<v Speaker 1>People like Lebron were tweeting his support, and then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, before you know what is isa Time

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas is at Staples Center.

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<v Speaker 2>He is trying out for a roster spot, to be

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<v Speaker 2>a backup to the backup of Russ.

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<v Speaker 6>Look good, Yeah, look good.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, like clockwork, even though it looked like Isaiah

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas was going to be in purple and coal once again,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a wrench in the plan thrown in by.

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<v Speaker 2>The universe, and his name was Rondo.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently it was unexpected that Regon people don't like it

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<v Speaker 1>when I say Regeon, So I'm just gonna call Regon

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<v Speaker 1>got bought out by the Grizzlies.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't think that was gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that John.

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<v Speaker 1>Morant could use little Regon Rondo leadership in the locker room.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't expecting a buy out there, especially because we've

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<v Speaker 4>seen Rondo like play on teams like that, like he

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<v Speaker 4>was on Sacramento for a minute and like didn't really

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<v Speaker 4>bitch about it. Like, yeah, no, I didn't see a

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<v Speaker 4>buy out really coming.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember also the Lakers.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about this earlier in the season where the

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<v Speaker 1>Lakers said that one of the reasons that their chemistry

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<v Speaker 1>was off is because they lost Rondo and he was

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<v Speaker 1>so instrumental into the chemistry. I know you don't buy

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<v Speaker 1>into that, but there are guys who are important in

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<v Speaker 1>keeping people accountable, and apparently La really felt like Rondo.

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<v Speaker 2>Was one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So now the Lakers want Rondo and not it even

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<v Speaker 1>though literally the contract was almost in it's grasps and poof.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's looking for another way to get back into

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<v Speaker 2>the league, and I don't know if he will.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he will, but this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>brought me to a larger issue. Do you think about

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<v Speaker 1>like Isaiah Thomas is not far off from being an

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<v Speaker 1>NBA player, Like he's a good player.

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<v Speaker 4>No, And he played in the league last year.

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<v Speaker 6>He had a ten day with the Pelicans, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like that was weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley and Gundy didn't treat him well because Lonzo Ball

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<v Speaker 1>was out and Josh Hart was out and he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really getting any run.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, Marshall was playing over them. Yeah, weird, very weird.

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<v Speaker 1>But to me, it's like, Okay, we know that Isiah

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas is capable of playing in the league if he's healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really want someone to take a flyer on him.

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<v Speaker 2>But really it's about what happens. Where do you go?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do if you're a.

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<v Speaker 1>Player of NBA caliber and the league decides you're no

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<v Speaker 1>longer an NBA player anymore, like all the teams and obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Isiah Thomas, the world as well, Like you're washed.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you convince people that they're wrong when they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't be here anymore, you can't even get a

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<v Speaker 1>ten day.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh, you're not gonna get any run. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just here.

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<v Speaker 1>Summer League is your best bet to try what do

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<v Speaker 1>you do. There's not a ton of options. We just

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<v Speaker 1>came out of a summer league. Summer league used to

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<v Speaker 1>be where rookies came in and showed their stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>now you fucking Michael Beasley trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Show he's not washed.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's now where old players come to show their stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope that continues, so why I kind of love it?

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<v Speaker 2>It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are a few of the many players trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the league through summer league. Kenneth far Reid

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<v Speaker 1>play for the Blazer Summer League team thirty one not old.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the same age as Dame. Been out of league

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<v Speaker 1>two years playing in China. I mean the league has

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gone to where he is. He's six' eight

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<v Speaker 1>stretch for can play, three four, five definitely. Tough Con,

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<v Speaker 1>dunk can play some roles and, somehow some way no

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<v Speaker 1>one wants.

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<v Speaker 6>HIM i, mean can you?

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<v Speaker 4>Shoot?

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<v Speaker 2>Now Can Draymond?

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<v Speaker 1>GREEN i mean If kenth For red just stuck With Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>crowder all you need to do is just Be Jay.

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<v Speaker 1>Crowder like we, see if you're six eight and you

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<v Speaker 1>can shoot some corner, three some just, outlets you're. Good

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<v Speaker 1>you just that's the only thing he. NEEDS i know

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big. Thing that's What Ben simmons. Needs but

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<v Speaker 1>come on, Now Marquis, chris he's only twenty.

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<v Speaker 6>Four he's, bad eighth overall. Pick he's a bad.

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<v Speaker 2>PLAYER i watched him a.

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<v Speaker 6>While he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad he's trying to get back in. Though twenty. Four Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>beasley he hasn't played since twenty. Nineteen he's only thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>Two Michael beasley's only thirty. Two, yes, jeez, YEAH i

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<v Speaker 4>guess that makes.

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<v Speaker 6>Sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah Mike, james who played serious minutes for The nets

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<v Speaker 1>in the. Playoffs he's been bouncing everywhere seven, seasons From

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<v Speaker 1>serbia To, israel To croatia to all WHERE i Mean.

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<v Speaker 1>YUGOSLAVIA i don't even. Know like he's been legitimately everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the. Globe, yes and people are, like, yeah we'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you a shot if someone gets, hurt and then

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<v Speaker 1>that person's backup gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Hurt but he can.

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<v Speaker 1>Play but the best example is Former oregon Dust Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yng who is That? Marty Who's Joe?

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<v Speaker 1>Yong?

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<v Speaker 6>EXACTLY i MEAN i kind of remember, him but, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty fifteen went to the league From oregon the second,

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<v Speaker 1>round played three seasons there all, right one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, games averaged like four points nine minutes a.

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<v Speaker 2>GAME i, mean he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Fine the only reason he didn't get extended after his

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<v Speaker 1>rookie contract is because they Drafted Aaron holliday and they

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<v Speaker 1>had way too many. Guards they HAD i, THINK i

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<v Speaker 1>think three or four other, guards so they're like. Nah

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<v Speaker 1>then they give him In china a one point three

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar contract with The Monkey, kings which problematic. NAME

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<v Speaker 1>i would, say very problematic, name but we won't we

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<v Speaker 1>won't go into. That and he became for two straight

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<v Speaker 1>years the highest scorer in The Chinese Basketball league high

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<v Speaker 1>score fucking thirty eight a.

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<v Speaker 2>Game he averaged thirty eight points a. Game that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Strong then coronavirus fucked him. Up couldn't come into the,

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<v Speaker 1>bubble couldn't get back From china to The United.

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<v Speaker 2>States you know how it. Is when we got.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody calling it The china, IRUs you're not getting in From,

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<v Speaker 1>china like that's the, way then goes you, know, listen

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<v Speaker 1>we're not bringing a monkey kid in to our. Bubble

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<v Speaker 1>this just can't do, it, yeah optics. Wise so then

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<v Speaker 1>he plays First Stufon, marbury, who by the, way is

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<v Speaker 1>a head coach now Not.

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<v Speaker 6>CLAIRE i THINK i know that head coach for a

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<v Speaker 6>couple of.

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<v Speaker 2>Years now he's. Not he's earned like three. Million Joe

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<v Speaker 2>young still not in THE.

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<v Speaker 1>Nba he got an invite to be on The wizards

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't even play him in summer league enough

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<v Speaker 1>games for you to have stats for. Him he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>play enough minutes during the fucking summer league for you

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<v Speaker 1>to find a goddamn stat about how he's.

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<v Speaker 6>Done they didn't play him like barely at.

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<v Speaker 1>All, uh, dude average thirty eight points a, game and

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<v Speaker 1>it's The Washington wizards and they're, like we're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>play you in the fucking summer. League this is What

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<v Speaker 1>i'm talking, About. Marty when the world decides.

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<v Speaker 6>Yo you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing you can't even get The Washington wizards to put

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<v Speaker 1>you out on minutes when they've got absolutely garbage players

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<v Speaker 1>coming in coming. Out you're a pro averaging thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>points a game In. China they're, like, yeah, no not

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<v Speaker 1>enough for you to get.

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<v Speaker 4>STATS i, mean that's bizarre to not play a guy

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<v Speaker 4>on your summer league. Team the point is for these

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<v Speaker 4>guys to get some. Run that's bizarre to just not play.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody it's just, crazy all of.

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<v Speaker 1>This to make the point, of like when THE nba

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<v Speaker 1>decides it doesn't really matter what you've, Done like you

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<v Speaker 1>have guys Like Jeremy lynn sanity and you're just a

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<v Speaker 1>spark in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bottle you're just a we've decided you're a spark in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bottle you're. Nothing and then.

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<v Speaker 1>There's guys who still get, minutes Like Hassan. Whiteside there's

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<v Speaker 1>guys who just deserve nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Who continue to get, Contracts.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a, weird non meritorious, situation, Right like you

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<v Speaker 1>just can't change these GM's. Minds Pat, beverly who we

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<v Speaker 1>know is AN nba caliber, Player we know that he's

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<v Speaker 1>a difference, maker we know that he is an, irritant

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<v Speaker 1>spent three years abroad before he could ever get on

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<v Speaker 1>AN nba. Team it was like he went on AN

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<v Speaker 1>nba team and then, left then tried to come. Back

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't even allowed to come to the first. Place

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce bowen spent four years In france before starting a

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen YEAR nba.

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<v Speaker 2>Career it's wild how this whole thing. Goes.

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<v Speaker 4>YEAH J, TUCKER Pj tucker five years In israel In Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>Wild Jeremy lynn this, year just this, year lit up

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<v Speaker 1>THE G league and no one's looking at him for

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<v Speaker 1>AN nba roster and we Got Jalen. Green no disrespect

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<v Speaker 1>To Jalen, green but, like why does What Jalen green

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<v Speaker 1>does in THE G? League like why is that applicable

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<v Speaker 1>to THE? Nba but What Jeremy lynn does in THE

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<v Speaker 1>G league not applicable to THE.

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<v Speaker 6>Nba good, point you know What i'm. Saying, yeah it's

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<v Speaker 6>a good.

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<v Speaker 1>Point how hard is it to change people's minds when

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<v Speaker 1>they've decided that you are no longer, wanted that you are,

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<v Speaker 1>washed that you are not a, Player and more, so

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<v Speaker 1>how physically and mentally exhausting is it to wake up

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<v Speaker 1>every single day knowing that the world has counted you

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<v Speaker 1>out and you believing differently and trying to dig and

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<v Speaker 1>grind and get to the place where the world will

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<v Speaker 1>accept you for who they thought.

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<v Speaker 2>That you were and no longer wanted you in the.

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<v Speaker 1>League like just fucking Ask Isaiah, thomas like fucking, hard really,

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<v Speaker 1>hard as he would, say a slow.

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<v Speaker 2>Grind that's all the time that we have for This league.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast please remember to follow us On, spotify On apple and.

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<v Speaker 7>to the big dog by it's all the. Fall keep

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<v Speaker 6>So that we don't.

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<v Speaker 8>That give me, that give me.

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<v Speaker 7>THAT i want this and now what you?

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<v Speaker 8>MEAN i can't have?

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<v Speaker 8>risk it.

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<v Speaker 5>i'm let's get.

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<v Speaker 7>Biscuit how many licks does it take the? Liquor she

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<v Speaker 7>FLY i stay fly quality just to get. BY i

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<v Speaker 7>want it all out a piece of the. Pie everybody eats,

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<v Speaker 7>everybody and we keep all of the.

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<v Speaker 5>Receipts swing.

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<v Speaker 8>Good we live in.

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<v Speaker 8>that give me.

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<v Speaker 7>THAT i want this and that what you? MEAN i

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<v Speaker 5>in big, dog walkay with the.

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