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Speaker 2: Man, I wanted to see how sharp the knife was.

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Speaker 2: Cut through his jeans, cut his leg, two pair of gens.

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Speaker 1: There was short hold on where'd you cut me? It's

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Speaker 1: I ain't here.

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Speaker 2: I bleed out and then you wouldn't be here. So

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Speaker 2: I'm definitely where I'm supposed to be. There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: All my life, grinding all my lighter sacri fights, hustle

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Speaker 2: Be grinding all my life, all my life, grinding all

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Speaker 2: my light, sacrid fights, hustle back to price in one.

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Speaker 1: Slice, Doctor bron of Geist swatch.

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Speaker 2: All my life, I've been grinding all my life.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Sha Sha. I

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Speaker 3: am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriud of

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Speaker 3: Club Shape Shape stopping by for conversation and the drink today.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: He's one of the most dominant receivers to ever step

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Speaker 3: the catch receiver in NFL history. In seven seasons, he

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Speaker 3: All Pro three times. He led the league in receptions

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Speaker 3: three times, led the receiving touchdowns twice, led the league

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Speaker 3: in receiving yardage twice, and he also did the triple

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Speaker 3: Crown in seven season. He's the first players to have

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Speaker 3: back to back one hundred catch seasons never missed a

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Speaker 3: game in his NFL career.

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Speaker 1: He's one of three.

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Speaker 3: Players in NFL history to have five hundred and seventy

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Speaker 3: five plus catches, eight thousand receiving yards, and sixty five

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Speaker 3: of South Carolina, he was a two time All American

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Speaker 3: and he had his number two jersey retired while he

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Speaker 3: was still active. He's a part of the first set

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Speaker 3: of brothers to ever be inducted into the Pro Football

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Speaker 3: Hall of.

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Speaker 1: Fame, and he's the best sharp brother.

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Speaker 3: Of the family, my big brother, my hero, my role model,

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Speaker 3: sterling shark man.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, hey, you ain't have any more on now

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Speaker 1: you are? I thought I did a little more than that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he could drive a track to the age

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Speaker 3: of six. I ain't know if you wanted CJ to

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Speaker 3: put all that in there.

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Speaker 1: It's what we did the last time.

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Speaker 3: You're the first ever to do go repeat on Club

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Speaker 3: Shasha and the first time we did it, we did

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Speaker 3: it virtually.

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Speaker 1: Uh. We also Laporte wasn't even a thing.

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Speaker 3: And so for being the first set of brothers in

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Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, you get to join

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Speaker 3: your baby brother in your rightful place. And this wouldn't

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Speaker 3: been a long long time coming for everything that you've done,

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Speaker 3: not only the football feel because that's minute, for what

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Speaker 3: you've been able to do for this family. And so, uh,

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Speaker 3: I think it's only right that we told we're gonna

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Speaker 3: pour it up. Yeah, we're gonna pour it up.

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Speaker 2: Like my grandma used to say, if you got it,

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Speaker 2: you better drink it and then go bad.

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Speaker 1: I just had to do it bad, you know. I

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Speaker 1: This is a commemority.

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Speaker 3: If these are gonna be available, this is the first

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Speaker 3: time you're seeing this. Yes, and so this is twenty

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Speaker 3: five hundred, the only available online. And this is my

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Speaker 3: brother and I at the first set of brothers in

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Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The Shave Bsop Kangnac

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Speaker 3: Premium Bsop Cognac the best tasting Premium Bsop Cognac on

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Speaker 3: the market and as a commemorative of being the first

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Speaker 3: brother in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. That's Lati

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Speaker 3: thought we would do something like this, So people at home,

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Speaker 3: this will be available. I'm not sure. I think it

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Speaker 3: goes on sale. What Wednesday, Jordan, I think I think

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Speaker 3: thinks it goes on sale today. We released this, which

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Speaker 2: So oh man, this is the second time in the

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Speaker 2: history of the Sharp Brothers.

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Speaker 1: That we've had a drink together together.

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Speaker 2: The first time we had a drink together was when

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Speaker 2: you told me I was the three hundred an eighty

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Speaker 2: it's definitely a special occasion, very very special occasion.

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Speaker 1: As you know, Laportier is poured in French.

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Speaker 3: And everybody's heard me talk about what Granny has meant

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is is that I'm a firm believer

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Speaker 2: And she led us, you know, when we got to

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Speaker 2: So for me, what I got from Granny was the

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Speaker 2: a it's a tremendous honor to be her grandson. It

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Speaker 2: my whole thing is is if you don't have family,

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Speaker 1: What would you say your favorite granny story.

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Speaker 2: Uh, my favorite granty story is the fact that she

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Speaker 1: She that boy there he goes, Oh, somebody gonna put

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Speaker 2: But you know, the thing was is my grandma never

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Speaker 2: She would give the shirt off her back, which she

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Speaker 2: I all my granny stories would probably revolve around you

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Speaker 2: because we all knew that you were her baby. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like, Noah, that older one did it. I seen it.

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Speaker 1: She was all about her baby.

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Speaker 2: And I think you know, and the times that I

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm still here. But I think she

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Speaker 2: Concerned about you being okay, like she was always she

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Speaker 1: What do you think the number one thing is that

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say my best is good enough.

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Speaker 2: I phrase it this way. Everything I did, from cutting grass,

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Speaker 2: And most importantly, everything I did, I was my own standard.

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Speaker 1: So I never failed. So if I wasn't the captain,

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Speaker 2: I'm probably most proud of is everything I did athletically.

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Speaker 2: she wanted me wherever I went, whatever I did. Don't

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Speaker 2: it wasn't my fault you three years younger, I had

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing was is it was you know, the

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Speaker 2: So it was it wasn't personal.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know one person.

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Speaker 3: When I tell the story about no indoor plumbing and

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Speaker 3: How many times have someone come up to you and say, man,

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Speaker 3: I heard your brother say this and this and this

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Speaker 2: I mean because they're like, there is no way. The

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Speaker 2: it was nineteen eighty nine. Because of nineteen eighty eight,

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Speaker 2: I went to Green Bay, so I did live in

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Speaker 2: because it's hard to fathom in what was today's world.

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Speaker 2: That's hard to fathom. But you know, and I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: Livy and I our older sister, you tell stories about

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Speaker 2: our upbringing. We would never tell, right because you can't

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Speaker 2: I heard you tell the story about going to practice

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Speaker 2: Man, your brother said that your grandma did your grandma

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: Because people and the said, man, this is not forties

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Speaker 3: People don't believe when I tell them. I said, at

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the respect of the kids. Go hang with kids.

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Speaker 3: What do you remember most about that fouble square foot

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Speaker 3: You spent the first seventeen years there. I spent twenty

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Speaker 2: I have lived my entire life by this phrase because

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Speaker 2: that is all. That is the only overnight we ever did.

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Speaker 2: So the only thing I'm trying to think, did I

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But the thing was is when I look at that house,

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Speaker 2: I learned my jump shot playing with you in the yard.

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Speaker 2: I learned my football moves on the fourth Sunday when Arnel, Eugene, Lannie,

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Speaker 1: Man, y'all live so far out of town, they got

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Speaker 1: a bump sunshine. Man, that was, you know, bad, coach 'all.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to ride the bed drummers up first, coach'all.

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Speaker 1: Fuck y'all Right, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Way, it can be raining in Glenville and it's snowing

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Speaker 2: me because what it was was it was us always

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Speaker 2: never a motivating factor. Being poor never motivated me because

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Speaker 2: remember the greatest season I had in college, being a

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Speaker 2: And you know, I remember coach Morrison going, what do

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Speaker 2: You know about turning pro? My family's been poor my

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Speaker 1: What's one more year. They used to it, they're accustomed

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Speaker 2: That's one more year. Because I enjoyed college. So when

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Speaker 2: I think about Glenville, and let me tell you, every

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Speaker 2: time I go to Glenville, I ride by that house

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Speaker 2: because there's so many tremendous memories and fun times and

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Speaker 2: get and on Camino a car the front, truck in

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Speaker 2: the back. That's what I'm kidding, you know. So you know,

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Speaker 2: such tremendous memories there, man, don't I don't have any

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Speaker 2: that's all weakness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 3: It was definitely motivating for me because I was like,

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Speaker 1: But I was thinking, does everybody live like this? Now?

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of my family members lived exactly

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Speaker 3: was the same thing. But I'm thinking about the kids

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Speaker 1: I'm like, we'll do none of that.

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Speaker 2: I never looked at it that way. I mean I

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Speaker 1: People, Man, when it rain, did y'all really get rained on?

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Speaker 3: Could you really lay in the bed and look up

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Speaker 3: What about the bathroom situation, not being able to go

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Speaker 1: That's him. I ain't got nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here.

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Speaker 3: I felt bad for you because if I had to

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Speaker 1: Granny had I had to go with it. Make you

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Speaker 3: We'd have to take the bug spray, especially if it

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Speaker 1: And we didn't have an umbrella.

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Speaker 2: We had like our aunts used to work at their

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Speaker 2: I would love to be angry that Papa didn't do

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Speaker 2: hard to do or be better. And I was like,

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00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 2: this is who we are and this is what we do.

439
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,239
Speaker 2: And and that's my little brother and can't nobody hit

440
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: him but me? Well, Granny and Papa are every now

441
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 2: and then. But you know, I couldn't say noning to that.

442
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: But that was the thing is, it was just us, right.

443
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: It was just our way of life, you know, Like

444
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: it's funny. And I tell people this all the time.

445
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: You and I looked out the same window and saw

446
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: two totally different things living in that house. Yep, you

447
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: were motivated by our living conditions. It was just a

448
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: way of life from.

449
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: Me that motivated you to run harder, try harder, do this.

450
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: I was just like you were doing.

451
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: I think what drove you was is I'm gonna be

452
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 2: the one to take care of these living situations and

453
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: all that. And I I'm like, man, you know, he

454
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: doing his thing, he's growing, he's becoming his own.

455
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,239
Speaker 1: Man, I'm loving it. For me.

456
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: Looking out that window, all I saw was is this

457
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: is what we got. And every now and then I

458
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 2: would allow myself to think back and go, are we

459
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: here if we grew up and yaga, are we here?

460
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: If we are we as close as we are if

461
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: we grow up in Chicago. And so I'm like, sometime

462
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 2: many times we don't get what we want, we get

463
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: what we need. And that thousand foot thousand square foots

464
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: in their block house gave us both what we needed

465
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: to be able to be where we are right now.

466
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: You didn't miss taking a shower, you like taking a

467
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: bath of the tin tub.

468
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: When you didn't tub, it wasn't like, you know, I

469
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: got to take it. I go to school and I

470
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 2: got to take showers, and then I come home. It

471
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: was like a tin tub from cant to Can't. So

472
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: whenever you had to take a showers a tin tub,

473
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: and and that went on. I mean, just imagine I

474
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: looked left him go to college. When I would come

475
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: home for holidays, guess what back in that ten tub?

476
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: Yep.

477
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: So, but it ain't like I don't know how to

478
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: do it. You know, I know how to eat the

479
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: water up, you know, soap that leg, and I don't

480
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: know how to do all that. You know, it's just

481
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: like washing a car when you take a bath to

482
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: the tin tub you wash from the top down, just

483
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: like washing a car. So never bothered me, never, never,

484
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: never once bothered me to the point where I felt

485
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: embarrassed or income right, it was just you know, I

486
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: brought my girlfriend there, you know, never bothered me because

487
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is just what we do, this is

488
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: who we are, That's how we grew up. I'm sorry

489
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: that you probably don't understand this.

490
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: This is just light. Right.

491
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: The drinking of the whale water, I remember, I mean

492
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: drinking whale water, and then the whale went dry, and

493
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: then we had to go get a barrel. We had

494
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: to go to Christine and she would let us droll

495
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: up a barrel, fill up the barrel, and that was

496
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 3: our drinking water. That was our washing water because we

497
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: sat the barrel and that those barrels were so I mean,

498
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: thank you, about fifty five gallon drum cash down with

499
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: water in it.

500
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: And so that would have have to last us, you know.

501
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: Until it ran out and we had to load it

502
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: back in the truck and then we were driving the

503
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: vehicle that might get us there and it might not, right,

504
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: but but you go back to the well. Remember what

505
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: we had to put it in the well to kill

506
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: the bugs. We put catfish in to put a catfish

507
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: in the bottom of the well and kill the buck

508
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 2: to eat the bugs off the top.

509
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: So remind you now, the water that we're drinking, they're

510
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: the live fish catfish. Because we didn't want bugs. It

511
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 3: didn't Donald's well. If the catfish had to go to

512
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 3: the bathroom gone, that didn't dawn on us. It was

513
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: just the bugs.

514
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: We already robbing Peter to pay Paul. We just robbing Peter.

515
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: That's all it was. Yes, yeah, live it. I ain't

516
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with you question this, your little brother.

517
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about this. We want to

518
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: talk about.

519
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: The meals that we ate. We got chicken once a week.

520
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 3: That was on Sunday. I can't remember a time in

521
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: my from the time that I was old enough all

522
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: the time I.

523
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: Left, we ain't good on Sundays. We always had chicken,

524
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: always had Yeah, we always had chicken. Yes, And what

525
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: you didn't eat, you got it on Monday because you got.

526
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: Got some mother fry. Yeah, that's right.

527
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: And we ate everything on the pig from the rooter

528
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: to the two Yeah, yeah, everything go to chicken. Everything

529
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: on the except the first and the left party, got

530
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: on the bed. Dad speak of the butt. That is correct.

531
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: But see, it's funny having this conversation because he's saying

532
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: things that I never thought of. You know, when when

533
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 2: we would kill a hog and we had to go

534
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: over and get you know, Granny would say, go over

535
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: and get Mama, her mom, Grandma, go over and get

536
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: Grandma Louke, because we're gonna kill a hog. Because Grandma

537
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: lou was the chitling extpert. Yes, but I never you know,

538
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: people don't realize that we would go out in the

539
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: woods and get a tub of turping time. We would

540
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: boil water, put the turping time in there and slide

541
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: the hog in there and turn it around and most

542
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: of the hair would just come off right. But then

543
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: one of my uncles or our granddaddy would take the

544
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: straight rays and shave it and we ate everything on the.

545
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: Pig feet you know, big is hog head cheese. We

546
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: did it all. And but that's just the way of life.

547
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: That is not a Okay, I gotta do this now,

548
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna have to do this.

549
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: No, this is just the way A lie, that's all.

550
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: What do you think the craziest thing because when I

551
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 3: tell people the stuff that we ate, like, man, nobody

552
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: eat that. Man, don't nobody eat no posa, don't nobody.

553
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: Eat I've never eaten possum, and I've never eaten chitlins.

554
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I'm like, I'm not doing that.

555
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: That ain't gonna. I'm not doing that, and I don't

556
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: I don't care what. I'm not eating Chitlin's. That's not gonna.

557
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: I promise you, Kelloggs he ate more corn flakes with

558
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: anybody on the history of the planet because.

559
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm not eating Chitlin's. That's not gonna happen. Well, that's

560
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 2: all we got. So if you're gonna eat anything, you're

561
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: gonna eat thet chitl No, sir, I'm gonna take this

562
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: carnation instant milk. I'm gonna miss it, mix it with water,

563
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: or if it's powdered milk, I'm gonna mix it with water.

564
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat the eat kellogg frost and frikes for

565
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: as long as humanly. But what about the alligator turtle,

566
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: the snappy turtle.

567
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: Okay, it's gummy, you know it's gummy, but it wasn't

568
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: what we ate every day, right, I mean usually remember that.

569
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: You know, we grew up in a time where we

570
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: would grab a gun thirty thirty thirty off six shot

571
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: gun twenty two and you know, we going hunting, and

572
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: Granted would just be like be careful, you know, because

573
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: she was like, well, they know how to handle the gun, right.

574
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: You know, And that's something that we that people told

575
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: us how to have a gun.

576
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: There's not a gun dead is a long time, so

577
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: you understood what the power of that gun was. Even

578
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: though he couldn't shoot, he taught us how to shoot

579
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: correct And so you know, usually you know, ducks, rabbits, raccoons,

580
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: squirrel I remember one time when Arnelle and Eugene first

581
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: got there fourteen Yeah, man, we must have killed four

582
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: hundred squirrels.

583
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean, man, we are head. Yeah, we wiped about.

584
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: We wiped out the whole at the game ward knowing

585
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: what we did when we be in jail steel right now,

586
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: we wiped out a whole gag squirrel. But you know

587
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: the thing was is, even to this day, I think

588
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I wonder if I could skin a raccoon and I'm

589
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: like absolutely hanging up upside.

590
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: You you know, pulling it. Yeah, Oh I could do that.

591
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: You know because some people say dressing. We called it casey.

592
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: You case it out. Yeah, oh yeah, so.

593
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: But once again, that was just the way of life, right,

594
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: the sleeping arrangement. You slept with Papa, I slept with Granny.

595
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: When Papa passed, you still you.

596
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: Slept by your side, by myself, but you were We

597
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: were in the same m the same room with Grannie.

598
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: I slept with Granny. Then pop pap passed, you slept

599
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: by yourself. I didn't sleep by myself until I was fifteen,

600
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: till you left to go to South Carolina. And I

601
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: tell people you had it the hardest because my grandfather

602
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: wasn't a great sleeper, and he would get up in

603
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: the middle of maybe he get up two o'clock, three

604
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning, and he would say, come on,

605
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: spank it, and he would take you to.

606
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: The truck stock. No, he would he would make me

607
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: go with here to the truck stop. He wouldn't take me.

608
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a package deal. But that ain't the

609
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: best part. The best part is that he would order

610
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: grits ed bacon toast, maybe some French toast, and he

611
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: would tell me, you ain't gonna get to eat this

612
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: because you're gonna eat cereal in the morning when before

613
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: you go to school. I just had to sit there

614
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: and watch him eat. But he didn't want to go

615
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: by himself. How about this one we used to wash

616
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: his car. He would pay us five dollars to wash

617
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: his car and charge us three dollars to take us

618
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: to the score to spend it.

619
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: That is absolutely it's just, but it's just the way

620
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: of life. And so you know, remember what a lot

621
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: of people don't know. You probably don't know this. When

622
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: he died, he fell over on the sofa on me.

623
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 1: I called Thurman.

624
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: He had a heart attack, fell over on the sofa

625
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: on me at thirteen twelve thirty, at thirteen I called

626
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: Thurman and and Thurmann called my uncle James, and Uncle

627
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: Thurman came down and got Ruby King to come over

628
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: and tried to rush him to Dublin. I think it

629
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: was the VA hospital in Dublin. And then he died

630
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: a few days later. So you you know, when when

631
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: I hear you talk about Granny, and justifiably so. Remember

632
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: I spent the majority of my being able to move

633
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: around work, learning how to drive, years with him and

634
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: listening to him direct until and.

635
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: Orchestrate me in a way to where I never I

636
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: never looked at our lives as being magic or bad

637
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: or sad.

638
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: It was just the way of life. And guess what,

639
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: just like novacaine, just give it time. Your lives get better.

640
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: It's just gonna take some time.

641
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: Right. What's your favorite story with Papa? I mean he's

642
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: serious or funny.

643
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: The funniest story is when he had to thirty Well,

644
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: he made me go get to thirty ox six because

645
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: the fox was like twenty yards away sitting in the road,

646
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: and he shot four hundred times and the fox was

647
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: looking at him like, well who you shooting at? That

648
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: was the funniest And he blamed me for the sight

649
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: being off. He had a scope and then handed me

650
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: to thirty ox six and at thirty thirty in and

651
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: one shot, the fox fell over dead and he was like, yeah,

652
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: you done need something to my gun?

653
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: No, you just can't shoot. I mean, that was probably

654
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: the funniest one.

655
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: But you know, the thing was is not knowing like

656
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: really anything about his life, the fact that he was

657
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: so respected by everybody that came in contact with, both

658
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: white and black yep, and not knowing why that was uh.

659
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: He would teach me with words.

660
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: Remember we would be riding up, you know, hitting maybe

661
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: go up to Thurnails and we would get to play

662
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: with Ronell and them and here and Thurnail and he

663
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: just wanted to hang out. And he would see a

664
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: car on the side of the road with four, you know,

665
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: teenage guys, and he would always say too many drivers

666
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: and not enough fixers, you know. So he talked in riddles,

667
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: so to yee yes and so for me, like when

668
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: he taught me how to drive, he was just like,

669
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: you donna see me do it now, follow me and

670
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: don't hit anything. So I'm like, I'm trying to drive,

671
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: and I'm like and when you watch someone drive, you

672
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: see the steering wheel constantly move. So I'm back there

673
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: like this and I'm like, in the truck is going

674
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: like this, and he pulls over just to just to

675
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: curse me out because he's like, boy, you don't drive

676
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: like that.

677
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: Hus's not gonna learn to drive.

678
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: So but there were so many things like watching him

679
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: in church, you know, when he went, you know, oh,

680
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go buy such and such fras your house

681
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: because you know, he need to come to church and

682
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: be like no, I ain't leaving until you get in

683
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: the truckle. You know, just the fact that he he

684
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: had a powerful voice. He was very well respected, and

685
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: I never knew or understood why, even to this day,

686
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: still don't know or understand why. But the fact that

687
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: he commanded your attention when he spoke. Everybody was like

688
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: this if you were. I mean, the thing is is

689
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: his threats were real. So when we would be in church,

690
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: and you know, the best place to sleep is in church,

691
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: and I wish you had a bit there before. I wish,

692
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: I wish you would now he could nod off, but

693
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: we couldn't. I mean that, you know, those are the

694
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: things I think, in hindsight that I learned which helped

695
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: shape and mold my development of trying to be uh

696
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: the man better than anyone else, be a man better

697
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 2: than anyone else, did anything else?

698
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: I agree.

699
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: I think the thing is you had it the hardest

700
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: because he was very very hard on you because you

701
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: were the oldest. And I remember him having I was

702
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: the oldest boy boy. But I remember him telling Granted

703
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: all the time. She said, she said, Bartie, why you

704
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 3: so hard on him? He said, Mary, because that little

705
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: one is going to learn everything from him.

706
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: Yep, and he have to do it right.

707
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: He nicknamed me Spanky because he couldn't say sterling, so

708
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: he would always say spank. That Spank is always going

709
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: to be responsible for him. So I don't want that.

710
00:35:59,760 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: Look.

711
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: If the big one's in jail, the little one's gonna

712
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: be in jail. If the big ones on drugs, the

713
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 2: little one's gonna be on drugs, And I don't want

714
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: that to happen to either one of it. But he

715
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: never told me, no, that I was responsible for you.

716
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: He never said that, but he always would give me

717
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: little look like. I spent more time with him and

718
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: my uncle Thurman because my uncle Thurman, his third oldest son,

719
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: worked to work together for you. So I spent more

720
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: time with them and got a chance to watch their interaction.

721
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: And the thing was is he was always in charge.

722
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: Now you may not like it, you may not appreciate it,

723
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: but he is always in charge.

724
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: And I like that, and I.

725
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 2: Equated it to the only way to constantly be in charge,

726
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: that you got to have more information, You got to

727
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: have more compassion, you got to have more love, you

728
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: got to have more understanding about the the world.

729
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: That you're in and if you want to be in

730
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: charge all the time.

731
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: And so I always loved the fact that when it

732
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: came time to voting seven thousand and I'm going to

733
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: say this because I grew up in rural South Georgia,

734
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: seven thousand, white people would come by and talk to

735
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: him about how he was going to vote, because how

736
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: he voted influenced how a lot of the black community

737
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: out in rural South Georgia voted. So the fact that

738
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: he commanded a presence like that, the fact that if

739
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: he had something that taught me son, if you got

740
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: something to say, say it. There was a lot of

741
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: times that I thought I had something to say and

742
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: I didn't, but I learned over time that I got it.

743
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: My voice is powerful. My daughter hated my voice growing up.

744
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I may have spanked summer once

745
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: because my voice was enough and it wasn't you know hey,

746
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: it was just what are we doing?

747
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: And that was enough?

748
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: And so I think a lot of subliminally I learned

749
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: a lot of I mean, everybody in the family things,

750
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm more like him than he was. I'm more like

751
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: our grandfather than anybody.

752
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Any of it.

753
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: Because I spent the most time with him because of

754
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: little things that, you know, making me get up to

755
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: go to the truck stop with him so he could

756
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: eat breakfast because he.

757
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: Didn't want to go along. You know. Uh. The thing

758
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: was is.

759
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: We had we had to sring his fishing poles, We

760
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: had to do his rods, and real what about the

761
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: ba we had. We had the worst, probably the worst

762
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: beating he ever gave you. And I say this, and

763
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: all is my We went out and we found a.

764
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: Smorgasborg of worms.

765
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: No, I found the borg of work. Now, let me

766
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: tell the story my way. We found a Smorglsborg of worms.

767
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: And my brother's got this coffee can. It's about like this,

768
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 2: and it is glowing with dirt and worms.

769
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: My grandma ain't she don't have any worms? She said

770
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: she would have worked that.

771
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: She says, uh, son, bring me some of them worms.

772
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: He says, no, these, mind, Granny, I want them dog these.

773
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, dang uh Barney, that boy that won't give

774
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: me none of his bait.

775
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: What we ain't catch a thing that day because all

776
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 2: that yelling you were doing was scared off all them fished.

777
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: He beat the brakes off, you bro. But but that

778
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: but he really, you know, after his I want to

779
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: say the first heart attack, because that was the first

780
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: heart attack, because the second heart wait wait, no, the

781
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: second heart attack he was down at the thing.

782
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: No, that was the first one at the UH. Because

783
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: the one he fell over on me was the third. Yeah,

784
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: at the house. That was at the house. But marinell

785
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: the one that found him at the UH down down

786
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: the road at the the shot where we used to

787
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: go skateboard.

788
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: Yes, and so so we had to string, we had

789
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: to carry we How about getting in the boat with him,

790
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: I mean he got in the boat and you know,

791
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: you got to be you know, bub got to be balanced.

792
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: He got in there like he walking on land and

793
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: you were sitting in there because you know, we all

794
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: learned how to swim, throw you in the clay hole,

795
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: bubbles and whatnot, you know, and I almost I almost

796
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: drowned because I didn't know how to swim at the

797
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: state park.

798
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

799
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: But you know, for for being around Papa all the

800
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: time that I did, I think I learned so much

801
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: subliminally by watching and seeing the interaction of you know,

802
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: his best.

803
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: Friend was a guy named Virgin Wiggins.

804
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: Yep, and Virgin Wiggins could do no wrong and couldn't

805
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: nobody talk about him but him. He was the only

806
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: one that could say something negative about Virgin Wiggins. He

807
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 2: was the you know, we don't, I don't.

808
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: We don't.

809
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: I'll say we we ain't big on going to somebody's house.

810
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: We you know, we ain't ever half still to this day, yeah,

811
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: never ain't big on going to somebody house. And I

812
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 2: think we got that from him. And the only house

813
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: he would go to other than his you know, his

814
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: kids was Virgil Wickins.

815
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: I think Granny is more more don't go to people house.

816
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 2: Well, we definitely got that from them because we ain't

817
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: all about going over and definitely spend the night at

818
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: going over and be like, yeah I was in No,

819
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 2: I ain't in the neighborhood at your house. If I'm

820
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: coming to your house, you either owe me money or

821
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: I'm borrowing something.

822
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: That's about it. You know.

823
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: Back then, I can't recall the time, and I told

824
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: you I can remember. Papa died in seventy seven. I

825
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 3: was about to turn I was about to turn nine.

826
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: He died in February, so I was eight at the time.

827
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: And every time everything he's ever said in my presence,

828
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: I can remember. I don't remember him ever saying.

829
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: That I love you.

830
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: But the one thing I do know is that he

831
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: didn't play all them jokes, and that Kiki never saw

832
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: him life, really never really saw him all that Kiki

833
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: key and that joke, because I remember, I remember what

834
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna call the guy's name. He made a

835
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: joke about my grandfather's teeth, and my grandfather was pulling off.

836
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: My grandfather put the car in the car and put

837
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: he reversed and put the car in park, and he

838
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: got out. He said, I don't play. He said, I'm

839
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: old enough to be your dad. He said, I don't

840
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 3: do that joking. But the times were different too. Yeah,

841
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: I mean, but men didn't play back then. Make but

842
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: parents and grandparents weren't your friend. No, aunts and uncles

843
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: weren't your Absolutely not.

844
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: And I think now because of how the dynamic is, because.

845
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: Some of the ages, dangers are a little. Yeah.

846
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: But but the thing was is, and I and I

847
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: tell people this all the time when I speak publicly,

848
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: is we were apprentices. We were never gonna get the

849
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: approval until we were doing whatever it.

850
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: Was, cutting the grounds. We had to cut it like

851
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: he cut it. I go left to right.

852
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: You know, we may want to start down here and

853
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: just run go. No, I cut it left or right,

854
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: so you got to cut it left or right. So

855
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, the times and the people were different, you know,

856
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: growing up in a time where men were men and

857
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: women were women. And I'm like, that's why I never

858
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: learned to cook because you weren't learning the Mary Porter's kitchen.

859
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: That wasn't gonna happen because if she found you in

860
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: the kitchen and she asked you, you weren't gonna There

861
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: was no singing at the table, my ain't. Gladys caught

862
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: us that. The ain't no singing at the table. It's

863
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: your thing, remember that. So you can't sing at the table,

864
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: you ain't talking at the table. And if you in

865
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: the kitchen, you're either walking through it or you eat.

866
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: And that's just the way it was.

867
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: Right when Papa passed, did you feel like you needed

868
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: to step up? Because now you're the dominant male figure

869
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: that I'm gonna see every single day. Did you felt

870
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 3: or did you feel he had prepared you for that role?

871
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: And that was just a natural progression. When Papa died

872
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: was the best day of my life. When Granny us

873
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: to tell us that he remembered he was in the hospital.

874
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: He died in hospital. Y when Granny walked out, we

875
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 3: got off the bus and Granny met us. She said, boys,

876
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: your grandfather is gone. Best day of my life because

877
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 3: I was going to get to do what I wanted,

878
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: always wanted to do.

879
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: I was going to get to play football. Yep.

880
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: I learned this from an older gentleman because he would

881
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 2: always ask me about the best You know, I learned

882
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: grow what's the best day of your life? I go,

883
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: my grandfather died, best day of my life. The man

884
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: who took us in raised us formulated, who I am,

885
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: best day of my life? Well, what's the worst day

886
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: of your life? Same day. But I've learned in my

887
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: years that he had probably given me everything that he

888
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: could give me, and it was okay for him to

889
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: leave because when he died, I got a chance to

890
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: play football.

891
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: The very next year. He died in February.

892
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: The very next year I started playing football and the

893
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: rest of of course, is history and God willing, I

894
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: find myself in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Barney

895
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 2: Porter is definitely one of the men that And once

896
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: again you have to learn to follow before you can leave.

897
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: That I followed.

898
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: Not knowing where I was going, and I never looked

899
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: at I know that I wanted to be the best

900
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: I could be.

901
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: But that was a great day, man, when Granny told

902
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: us that Papa had died, because you said something I

903
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: saw on one of your on one of your your

904
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: segments in your podcast, that you wish Papa and Daddy

905
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: could see what we turned out to be. If Barney

906
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: Porter doesn't die, then I don't get to play football

907
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: because I'm the oldest guy in the house. I'm with him,

908
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: so I'm still riding a tractor, plant whatever will grow

909
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: in harvesting that you, as the baby might have right,

910
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: but I don't get that opportunity. So selfishly it worked

911
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: out great for me selfishly. But man, let me tell you,

912
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: I use the same words, phrases, mannerism, actions, reactions that

913
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: I saw in seventy three, seventy four, seventy six that

914
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 2: he used back then.

915
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: If you could talk to him today, would you tell it.

916
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: I really wish you would have let me eat a

917
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: couple of times at that.

918
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: I had to trust it out because boy, I was

919
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: sitting there salivating, going man, pancakes, but just like you

920
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: see on TV in a commercial, and I would just

921
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: sit there and he had orange juice he had cought.

922
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't want none of this.

923
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: Because you're gonna have you gonna have some cereal when

924
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: we get back to the house while you go to school. No,

925
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: I honestly do not know, because there is not much

926
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: you can say to someone that you're like. There is

927
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: not much that you want to say to someone that

928
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: you're just like, because.

929
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: Think about it.

930
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 3: You started, you started chewing tobacco, You smoked cigars because

931
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: he was a big chewed tobacco. He smoked cigars, he

932
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: wore hats, a lot of your manner rhythms today are him?

933
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: Are him? Yes?

934
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: And and and and and don't don't lose sight of this.

935
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: I'm older now than he was when he died. Yes,

936
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I inherited a lot of who he was,

937
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: what he stood for, what he said. Remember, there's a

938
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: lot of things you might get away with. You weren't

939
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: gonna have Barney Porter late.

940
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: You want to get on my bad side? Be late?

941
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Where you get that from Jordan? Late?

942
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: You ain't let me tell you, we ain't even be late.

943
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: And that you know, and if I tell you I'm

944
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: going to that's happening.

945
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's as good as gold. You can put it

946
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: in the bank. Yeah.

947
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: I got that from him. His word was as as

948
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: they say nowadays. His word was bombed. If he told

949
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 2: you he was gonna do or be, you can count

950
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: on the best, believe it.

951
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: Yes, And I inherited Harold Green, one of my best friends.

952
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: We almost had a falling out because he was late

953
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: and he late. We going to play golf and he late. Brouh,

954
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: you can't be late. That that is like an absolute

955
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: no no brother. That that you can fry egg on

956
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: my head if you're gonna be late.

957
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we got it from both. Yeah, we

958
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: ran that gonna be.

959
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: Late because and if you say you're gonna do something

960
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: to do yeah, And a lot of people's word is

961
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: no good.

962
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: It's how how did Uncle Tharmo used to say it? Man?

963
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: They word like pie crust easily broken.

964
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: And so I you know, the old school way that

965
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: we grew up and now I'll say I grew up

966
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: Man definitely formulated and impacted my life in a way

967
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: that allowed me. I never did anything for public consumption.

968
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: The only competitor, the only competition I ever had in

969
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: my life was you. I cut the grass. Oh, the

970
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: race took me sixteen minutes. Race the race headway, bro.

971
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: I fed the hogs, the chickens and ringo weve minutes.

972
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: That's the only competition I ever had going out. I

973
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: remember people going, you know, comparing me to other receivers,

974
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: and I would just laugh because I'm like, y'all don't understand.

975
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm doing what I want to do. This is my ceiling.

976
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm playing, not making the Pro Bowl, not being an

977
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: All Pro. My ceiling is playing in the NFL. I remember,

978
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: and I say a lot of the best things that

979
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: ever happened to me with you. You know, when I

980
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: signed my scholarship, you in the background, jeezus, you know,

981
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know why he's so happy. When

982
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: I got drafted. Uh, when the call came in, which

983
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell y'all this, but don't tell him.

984
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. So. When Buddy Guys called me to

985
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: tell me that the Green Bay Packers were going to

986
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: take me at number seven, my brother yells out in

987
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: the background, damn man, you ain't wanna have me on TV.

988
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: I was so happy because I went to a place

989
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: that I could I could concentrate. I'm playing football and

990
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: so to me, you know all, you know, I remember

991
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: you two real pointed things in my life. We went

992
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: to this quote unquote restaurant in Colombia. My brother wanted

993
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: to try it, and it almost kills So I ain't

994
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: been back to that restaurant, saying. And the first game

995
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: my brother came to h was probably my twelve Minnesota

996
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: in green Back. Yeah, and I thought that almost killed

997
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 2: him because.

998
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: He went and got in bed. And the next time

999
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: I talked to him, we were at the airport. He

1000
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: was like, but you know, so that man, I just got, you.

1001
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: Know, tremendous memories of what Barney Porter gave us, you know,

1002
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: gave us life, help, gave us what he had what

1003
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: he could. More importantly, he gave us wisdom and knowledge

1004
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 2: that we weren't gonna get anywhere.

1005
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: Right I tell the story, Yeah, everybody knows who you

1006
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 3: and I are. But the person that had the hardest

1007
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: job was Buck. Because when Buck came, we all came.

1008
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: She's five years older than you, eight years old, the

1009
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 3: Libby eight years older than I. And when we came

1010
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy for good. She never left correct. And

1011
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: in order for me, and you speak for you, in

1012
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 3: order for me to function at the highest rate that

1013
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: I knew I possibly could, I needed to know, granted,

1014
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: was gonna be okay. And I know Libby being there,

1015
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: You know, Libby could do no wrong. And Granny's eyes,

1016
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: how important you could do no wrong in Granny's eyes either,

1017
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 3: But go ahead with your store.

1018
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: But go ahead.

1019
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: I mean, as I got little, did it, got the bed? Well,

1020
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: Libby could do no wrong from the time that week

1021
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: I got grown. You know, I left it, gover to

1022
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 3: Savada State, and I come back and Libby have replaced me.

1023
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: How important was But.

1024
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: To you see, I have never been able to separate

1025
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: the dynamic of Mary and Barney. So Mary and Barney

1026
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: are here, and then it's all of us, so there

1027
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: is no well, Shannon, being the youngest, is least important.

1028
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: And and you know Sherman Deine or Gladys or our

1029
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: aunt Jane are more important. We were it was them,

1030
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: and then it was all of us, right, and we

1031
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: were here, And what Libby did was mum.

1032
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: Hmm, don't do that. Don't say that. Get it done.

1033
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: You know, when when pappap would say, hey, somebody need

1034
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: to take out a draft.

1035
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: Was our first induction into being a foreman.

1036
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: Okay, you take it out Monday, you take it out, Tuesday,

1037
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: you take you know, So now we delegate what that

1038
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: grass idea is getting kind of long? You cut it

1039
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: on this week, I'll cut it. I'll cut it next week.

1040
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: So I don't look at Libby as an extension of

1041
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: those two, right, I look at Libby as one of

1042
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: us that just happened to be five years older.

1043
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: I think that's the difference because all the things that

1044
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 3: a mother would do. Liberty did help me. What time,

1045
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: mush you my report card? Helped me with my homework.

1046
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: She ain't do very well on the homework part. Man,

1047
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: She was a terrible teacher. He ain't had no patience.

1048
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: He couldn't get in prison with his grass man. Libby

1049
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: was a terrible teacher. Man. She didn't have no patience.

1050
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: How you spelled his word, don't? That is how you speeling.

1051
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: She didn't have any patience because he was too busy

1052
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 2: being fun His entire existence is about a joke. He

1053
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,959
Speaker 2: gonna find the funny part in it, and he gonna

1054
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: exploit that and he gonna keep it going.

1055
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: He don't care how many people join in on the joke.

1056
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: He gonna keep it going. I don't care. Yeah, he gonna.

1057
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be funny.

1058
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 3: But you know the thing was that, you know, she

1059
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 3: took a lot of responsibility because you I mean would

1060
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 3: take you know, take us, you know, school clothes shop,

1061
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 3: and she'd take you to take you to Statesburgh leave

1062
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 3: me ad school until I found out.

1063
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, y'all made the mistake. You couldn't go with

1064
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: us because you know it was a don'ts man. Man

1065
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: lived was going.

1066
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: We go to Dairy Queen, get the big burger, and

1067
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: you know, we were living we were living a dream.

1068
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: We ain't had the responsibility of word about the dude,

1069
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: you know, because you know, Granny was more like, okay,

1070
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: y'all go to Statesburn, come right back.

1071
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: There ain't no detour getting food and all that. So

1072
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: we could go go get the.

1073
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: Clothes, swing by Derry Queen enjoy the best choice burgers

1074
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: and shakes. Because when we weren't gonna tell this dude

1075
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: couldn't hold water if you did it, oh my god,

1076
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: and he would hold Oh.

1077
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: Remember when ill went to Derry queen. You went to

1078
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: Terrry queen too. Yeah, but Granny told y'all got to go.

1079
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: I was just in the truck.

1080
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was snitch our blackmail people because I know

1081
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 3: when people got kicked out of school, to.

1082
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: The door to hear my others talking. Somebody got suspended.

1083
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: I got oh, he was in all about the information. Yeah. Yeah,

1084
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: you had to pay you had to pay up. Yeah.

1085
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: People don't believe this that we've never You and I

1086
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 3: have never slept over at someone's home. No, And we've

1087
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: never had friends sleep over hours.

1088
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: No, Like.

1089
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: I think the first time at my house that someone

1090
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: stayed was you and Harrold the year y'all came out

1091
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 2: of the draft, and you know we're all trained together.

1092
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: In ninety y'all stayed with me. But no, until this day,

1093
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't do it. It's just it's.

1094
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: Comfort for us. I mean, we sleep with fans, yes,

1095
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: all of us. Me and you, Libby, we sleep with fans.

1096
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: Susan Summer's sleep with fans. I just think it's a

1097
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: comfort thing, that this is what I like and what

1098
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: I need, and I don't want to We are all

1099
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: about in our comfort, staying out of your way and

1100
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: what you need.

1101
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: They ain't a bad thing, that's just the nature of

1102
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: the beast. I did become envious because you got the

1103
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: good clothes. Man. I had to wear hand me downs.

1104
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: I had to wear Libby clothes.

1105
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: Okay, let's walk this thing back when when Papa died

1106
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: and we started working for the Tatum brothers.

1107
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: Yep, and you were making your six dollars a day. Yeah,

1108
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: so we working. Hold on, hold on, stop.

1109
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: You're making your six dollars a day working Monday through Friday.

1110
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: So six times five is third. Where would the bulk

1111
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: of your money go? Corner Stoke? Okay, So so sometimes

1112
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: for lunch, we didn't go home and eat lunch. We

1113
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: just stay in the field, take an hour break. So yet,

1114
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: bring me a coke and you know, some chips, coke,

1115
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: some peanuts coke.

1116
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: Tave a honey buck Junior here, Oh.

1117
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: Give me two honey buns, two sodas, and so all

1118
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: his money is gone. We working because now I'm playing sports.

1119
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: So in order to have football basketball at track shoes.

1120
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm paying. In order for him to have football basketball

1121
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: track shoes, I'm paying. So I got to choose my

1122
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: spending carefully. So when my Grandma found out he was

1123
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: making six dollars a day. She was like, oh lord,

1124
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: that's y'all paying him too much. No, granted, he ate

1125
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: his thirty dollars for the week, so he didn't he

1126
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: couldn't get the quote unquote. But he always wanted the

1127
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: best of the best, which I love about him. And

1128
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: it was so I'm gonna fast forward when I got money,

1129
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: regardless of what he would have turned out to be.

1130
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: Whatever he wanted. If he would have been a trash man,

1131
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: he'd have been a trash man living in a ten

1132
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: thousand square foot house. I would have made sure that

1133
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: he'd have been a trash man driving a Mercedes. I

1134
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: would have made sure he had a Mercedes in college

1135
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 2: before I had one.

1136
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: Because he was my little brother. So when he tries

1137
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: to be I was envious that you had all of

1138
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: you work like we worked. You just ate. You was

1139
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: making sixteen dollars a day.

1140
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: I was making you ate yours and honey buns and soda,

1141
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: and we were saving ours because we were living down

1142
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: the line and you were living for the day.

1143
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: I think, well, the thing was is that my grandmother,

1144
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: we were making five dollars a day, and by killing

1145
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: Landing me and Lanny. He's two years older than me,

1146
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: Landy's two years older than me, Spanks three years older

1147
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 3: than me, Eugene six years older than me, Arnell seven

1148
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 3: years older than me, and Libby's eight years older than me.

1149
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 3: And so Landy, I let Lanny talk me into asking

1150
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: mister Joe for a raise. I said, mister Joe, Man,

1151
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 3: we be working. This is me and I said, man,

1152
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: me and Landing, Man, Man, Landy been working hard. Let

1153
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 3: me refill my glass. He called my name Joe. They

1154
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 3: called me pee wee because I was so small. T

1155
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: Win Sundown.

1156
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: They called him sundown because he's like man this time,

1157
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: this time to knock off man.

1158
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 3: The sun's going down. So that was his day, So

1159
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: pee Win Sundown. So I let Landy talk to me

1160
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: and say, man, man, you need to ask mister Joe

1161
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: for a raise.

1162
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: Man.

1163
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 3: So I said, mister Joe, Man, me and Landy be

1164
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 3: working hard. Man, we be carrying our own role. We

1165
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 3: be walking behind the tobacco picker.

1166
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:46,479
Speaker 1: He said.

1167
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: I said, man, we need a raise. He said, well,

1168
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 3: pee Wee, how much you thank y'all? I mean, I'm

1169
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 3: like I used to throw out a number because I

1170
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: knew he was going to say no. I said, Man,

1171
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: I think a dollar. I say a dollar.

1172
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: He said, over that pee wee, I pay you exk

1173
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: the dollar a day. Man. I was so, I said,

1174
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: Landy heard it too. Man, we ain't do nothing the

1175
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: rest of it. You ain't do nothing. You ain't for

1176
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: the rest of that day. You'm too laziest individual to

1177
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: ever work the field.

1178
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 3: So Libby come home, blab of mouth, come home. Granted,

1179
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: all them boys do is play in the field. They

1180
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 3: don't do nothing else but play. And mister Jodham gave

1181
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: him a raise. Granted, ain't say nothing. So the next morning, granted,

1182
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 3: don't go to work. She come out there on the porch. Joe, Hey, Mary,

1183
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 3: how you doing. I'm good, She said, Joe, I heard

1184
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 3: you gave them boys a raise. He say, yeah, Mary,

1185
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 3: they be working hard.

1186
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: They make a U. I gave him a dollar raise.

1187
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: She say, take it back, six dollars.

1188
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 3: She say take it back because Libby told me they

1189
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 3: don't do nothing to play, and he took it back.

1190
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: Which y'all did. Play. That's all y'all did was.

1191
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: But you know the thing was is just like we

1192
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: had to learn, because you know, you walk behind the picker.

1193
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: Then you become a picker. Then you become you know,

1194
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: working for mister Joe, you become a stacker, and then

1195
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: you go from stacking to dry.

1196
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: You hang you you or hanging?

1197
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you could you go for walk behind

1198
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 3: the pickle to pick at the tobaco. Then you then

1199
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 3: you hang had Indeed, if you hey, you get to

1200
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 3: work at the barn because what what.

1201
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: What the thing about hanging for mister Joe was?

1202
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: Remember I I you know, uh, mister ors Eason used

1203
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: to put the tobacco in the rat and the rat

1204
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: and then spend the table and then I would put

1205
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: the clamp on it and then put it in the

1206
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: trailer by myself. Yeah, and so there was an elevation,

1207
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: and y'all was not all about being on the elevation.

1208
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: May that walking, man, I got tired of walking. Man.

1209
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 3: Sometimes hey, they becoming back hey me and laying to

1210
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 3: be sitting down there throwing rocks, and they coming back

1211
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 3: the other way.

1212
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: We follow.

1213
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: But you know, you bring up something about working in

1214
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: the field of which people want on standing. I mean,

1215
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: since we talk about let's talk about it all. Imagine

1216
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: sitting in a seat on the ground you know, the

1217
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: tractors pulling this picker and you are you know, you're

1218
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: trying to get the three four leaves on the bottom

1219
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: and you put them on the belt and the belt

1220
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: rolls them over. Well, how many times were they rattlesnakes

1221
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: wrapped around them stalks. That's only by the grace of

1222
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: God that we And I'm going to say we are

1223
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: here right now, because how many times that we you know,

1224
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you shake and everybody would

1225
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: dial dive off. But let me tell you it never

1226
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: ended well for the snake. And how many times did

1227
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 2: we catch rabbits with our bare hands?

1228
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: Oh?

1229
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: That was that was the thing. I'm like, I'm like quickness.

1230
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: We had that from twenty one Jump Street. We would

1231
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: catch rappish with our hands.

1232
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: I would just pray, Lord, please let the bill skunk tomorrow,

1233
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 3: soar let me so he can stay up the field

1234
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: that we can knock off earlier, yeah, you know, or.

1235
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: Or or have a hurricane or tornado come through, knock

1236
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: all the leaves off, and you have to work on Sunday,

1237
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, And then the thing is it's got to

1238
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 2: be done. It's going to be doing, so you know,

1239
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: I learned and not complain about those things. But yeah, man,

1240
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: you and Lanning, uh you know the way we grew

1241
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 2: up though, man, But we were just so thankful that

1242
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: we were working for someone because all the years we

1243
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: worked for Papa, we never got paid because he was like,

1244
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm feeding you and I got a roof over your

1245
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: head and I'm clothing you, so it don't make sense

1246
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: for me to pay you. His logic, not hours back.

1247
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: But that's what we did. Yeah, hey, that's what we did.

1248
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: You work.

1249
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he was paying me. I couldn't do it.

1250
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm gonna give you a dollar to stay

1251
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 3: out the way. I couldn't couldn't do it. I couldn't

1252
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 3: do it.

1253
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: I could do it.

1254
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 3: I wanted to do something, like I said. I was

1255
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 3: the youngest by three years, I mean landing, and I

1256
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 3: was like, man, I could do something. And I'll never

1257
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 3: forget that day that mister Joe came by and said, Barney,

1258
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 3: what about ay you know such and such? And then

1259
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 3: we all because Papa had already told us, see that

1260
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 3: Joe tatoum come by tomorrow and he said, I want

1261
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 3: everything big enough to sop sirrup to hit that truck.

1262
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 3: So I remember saying, everybody had got up and got

1263
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 3: on the back.

1264
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: Of the truck.

1265
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 3: And I was sitting there next to Papa, and mister

1266
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 3: Joe said, well, Barney, what about that little one I've

1267
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 3: been I couldn't have been no more than five or

1268
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: six pops up? He said, Barney, what about that little one?

1269
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 3: He said, I don't know, Joe.

1270
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: He too small, He said, Barney, I find something for

1271
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: him to do off the porch.

1272
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: I here you go.

1273
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, man ah, the good old days.

1274
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 2: That that that was speaking of work though, But I

1275
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: tell people all the time because they like they equate

1276
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 2: playing football with work, And I said, now, work ain't work.

1277
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: Work. Playing football left and running in the summer, that

1278
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: ain't work.

1279
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: Work is when you got your shirt off and you

1280
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: look and as far as you can see, you see

1281
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: tobacco plants and you got a handful of arschnick and

1282
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: saying because you walk in dropping bud.

1283
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: Work for us, yep.

1284
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: Work is when you when when Mster Ali Menci comes

1285
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: by and gets you, and you got your shirt off

1286
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: and all you see is seven hundred and twenty bales

1287
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: of hate and you it's sixteen thousand degrees out and

1288
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: you got to throw the hay on the truck, because

1289
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: once you load the truck, you gotta unload the truck.

1290
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: That's work. Work is when you.

1291
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: Are in a tobacco field and blue jeans and a

1292
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: long sleeve shirt with a undershirt, and it's seventeen thousand

1293
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 2: degrees and you in that field from you see the

1294
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 2: waves of the heat. You in the field from seven

1295
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 2: until that barn is full.

1296
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: That's work.

1297
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 2: Playing football they work down in lifting weights ain't work.

1298
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: Running aim that ain't work.

1299
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: Do you do you remember Chicago? Numb?

1300
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: Because what I remember about Chicago is two friends I

1301
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: had in a neighborhood, next door neighbors or Troy and

1302
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: d D. I remember their names, I can't pick out

1303
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: their faces. I remember flipping you over in your in

1304
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 2: the stroller and getting the brakes beaked off me one time.

1305
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: Uh. That's kind of the only memory I have of Chicago.

1306
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, because when I don't remember being there, You know,

1307
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 3: I don't remember because you were small. I remember the house,

1308
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 3: I don't remember you know, whether we had steps or

1309
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 3: I don't remember any of it now because you when

1310
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 3: Granny came and got me, Uh, she said the barney

1311
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to get that boy, and he said, bring

1312
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: Spanky back.

1313
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: So I was three months when she came.

1314
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 3: When they came and got me, I would have been three, Yes,

1315
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: And when Daddy came and got me back, I was

1316
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 3: seven months. We went back and then I came back.

1317
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 3: We were two, you were five, five, maybe was ten.

1318
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 3: I don't remember. No, I don't remember a whole lot. No,

1319
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 3: I already know the answered. Did this for my part?

1320
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 3: If we grew up in Chicago, are we here?

1321
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: No? And I'm gonna say no, because of all we

1322
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: got in Georgia. Yes, all we got from Mary and Barney. Yes.

1323
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: All we got from Arnel, Eugene, Lanny, Robbie, Bernard, Chris,

1324
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 2: our cousins. All we got from Thurnail, our uncle, Thurman, James.

1325
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: All we got from Mary Nell, Gladys Sherman, Deine Jane.

1326
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: No, we ain't here, you know. And the reason why

1327
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: we're not here. And I tell people this why I

1328
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: still stay in the South.

1329
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 2: I like knowing. I knew when people didn't like you

1330
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 2: or me because of the color of my skin. I

1331
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: knew when people would say, you know, I don't care

1332
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 2: what you do, You're never going to be successful in college.

1333
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: You're not gonna make it. I like knowing that. That's

1334
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: not motivation. I just like knowing, you know.

1335
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: I like knowing that I got to do this for

1336
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: me because there is no way I can do this

1337
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: for you, because you don't want me to do it

1338
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: and you don't believe that I can do so. The

1339
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 2: thing that I got from Glenville was I got love.

1340
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 2: I got friendship Calvin Lamont, Jesse, Reggie King. I got

1341
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 2: William Hall as a coach. I got Buddy McCall as

1342
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: a coach. I got Earl Rogers as a coach.

1343
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: Man. I got to be able to play sports and not.

1344
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: Be dominant, but learn how to dominate. I got to

1345
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 2: play sports, and I got to learn how to play,

1346
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: how to be okay with being the best player on

1347
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 2: the team and still be in here. I got to

1348
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: learn to be in athletics and to operate in.

1349
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: A way that.

1350
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 2: While I would love to score thirty, or while I

1351
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 2: would love to run for one hundred and fifty, man

1352
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 2: if I could hit Pat on this slant, or if

1353
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 2: I can get Devin Durnty, you know, downhill on this lead,

1354
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: or if I can get the pitch out fast enough

1355
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: to Gary Levan, it's gonna be all right.

1356
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: You know, we got a change. So I got to

1357
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: learn and develop how to be a player in Glyndon.

1358
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: What was it about Glenville?

1359
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 3: Because as we talked about earlier, and we're the first

1360
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 3: two brothers in the Plow Football Hall of Fame, and

1361
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 3: when you and I were growing up, it's two stop lights.

1362
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: It's still two stop lights to this day. No, no, no, wait, wait,

1363
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: there's one in midtown. The three now there's a caution light. Yeah,

1364
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: they ain't stop light.

1365
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: The one coming in you know how we were coming

1366
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 2: to Glenville from the Fesville is.

1367
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: A caution it's not a stop like.

1368
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why we made that left in the times

1369
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 3: out here, that's right.

1370
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: So that's a caution light. And then the one in

1371
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: the center of the town is the stoplight. And then

1372
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: the one right down used to be back to behind

1373
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: me and Lipsey. There's yes, right down by the farmers. Yeah, okay,

1374
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: so you're right, go ahead. That's why you too, mean

1375
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: they stopped.

1376
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 3: Like by the word thirty five, I mean there's probably

1377
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 3: more people there now, but when you and I were there,

1378
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 3: it's like thirty five hundred What is it about Glenville that.

1379
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 2: Allowed us to prosper, to flourish and lessen If the

1380
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 2: active shooting you aim small, you miss small for us,

1381
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna talk for you. For me, all I

1382
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 2: wanted to do was play football. I remember you know

1383
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 2: who taught me how to put the pads because remembering

1384
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: you football pants, you had the little the thing where

1385
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 2: you slide your pads in pockets. You know who taught me,

1386
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: Hank hank taught me how to put my Lawrence Hankerson

1387
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: taught me how to put the pads in my pants.

1388
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 2: The first time I ever touched the football or organized football,

1389
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 2: you remember what it was?

1390
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: Kickoff? Yep, I ran it back for a touchdown, but.

1391
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 3: You picked the ball up before you got into the

1392
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 3: ends on fifteen yard penalty rekick coach, y'all say, all

1393
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: y'all go do is make it running back.

1394
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: For the ran it back again for a touchdown.

1395
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 2: So what Glenville provided for me was an opportunity to

1396
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: have no clue what I was doing, but to do

1397
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 2: that very well, right. So I had no clue what

1398
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: being a star or a great player or but you

1399
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 2: know what great game, nice play. So I got a

1400
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 2: chance to learn and grow. Remember how I got to

1401
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: be quarterback. I wasn't a quarterback. I would want, Hey,

1402
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm a running back, I'm a corner. I'm a running back.

1403
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: That's where I want to be. Remember how I got

1404
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: to be quarterback? Jess Kotmono and coach McCall was like, hey,

1405
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: I want you to in spring, want you to go

1406
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 2: with the quarterbacks. Like wait, what, That's how I got

1407
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: to be a quarterback. If I'm not mistaken, was I

1408
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: the first quarterback Glenville High School?

1409
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: Or or was it Pete? Probably because I mean Taylor

1410
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: Ken Taylor.

1411
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 2: So you looking at a growth and develop that's organic,

1412
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: that can't nobody tell you how to do it. You learned,

1413
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 2: and I think Glennville gave us the opportunity. Gave me

1414
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 2: the opportunity to learn and grow at a pace that

1415
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: was comfortable for me. So I wasn't in a hurry

1416
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 2: and I wasn't behind. So what I got in Glenville

1417
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: served me very well. Going to the University of South Carolina, right, we.

1418
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 3: Worked for the poetry and people. People find this so

1419
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 3: hard to believe it. I don't know why, because you

1420
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: don't see it. You've never done it. Go ahead, I

1421
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 3: know where you're going, but go ahead. When I tell

1422
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 3: people we caught a thousand chickens. No no, no, no, no,

1423
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 3: A thousand dollars, a thousand dollar dollar, a thousand, but

1424
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 3: we caught the most we ever caught was sixteen thousand.

1425
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 3: That was the most chickens we ever caught. But we

1426
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 3: normally did. We normally did twelve, well every twelve. Then

1427
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 3: where you get that sixteen?

1428
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it.

1429
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we were what they called the seat. We

1430
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,799
Speaker 3: were small. I mean all of us, we're all cousins,

1431
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 3: we're all camp yeah, and most of.

1432
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: Us was was in school, Arne, l Eugene, Lanny, Me

1433
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 2: and you, yeah, sometimes.

1434
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:10,719
Speaker 1: Robbie and Bernard.

1435
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 3: But they had the big crew that would catch thirty

1436
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 3: forty thousand. And you work from Sunday to Thursday, because

1437
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 3: nobody worked on Friday. Nobody worked on Saturday because the

1438
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 3: porchry was clothed on Saturday. Then Sunday, and so we

1439
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,879
Speaker 3: would pick tobacco working for the Tainum, working for the tatums.

1440
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: Yep.

1441
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 3: That was five to six dollars five dollars for me,

1442
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 3: there were sixteen for me. But go ahead, and then

1443
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 3: we would go to check catch chicken anywhere between eight

1444
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 3: and twelve.

1445
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 2: But now you can't catch chickens during the day. You

1446
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 2: gotta catch them at night. You got to catch them

1447
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 2: at night. So we're getting picked up at ten thirty

1448
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock. And you know, usually the farthest we went

1449
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 2: was our ride. You know, we'd go over to backs Black. Yeah,

1450
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 2: so our ride. And then when you catch chickens, you

1451
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 2: had a catcher we were carryings, so we were praying

1452
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: it was six so you carry in three and three

1453
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 2: because when you got that four and three, oh lord,

1454
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 2: but it was a dollar one thousand. So if it

1455
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 2: was sixteen thousand, we made sixteen dollars. If it was

1456
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: thirteen thousand, we made thirteen thousand. And there ain't no

1457
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 2: time limit. You leave with the last chicken gone. And

1458
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 2: so yeah, so we don't work from seven until about five.

1459
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 2: We eat, and now we're waiting for it to get

1460
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: dark for James or Earl to pick u something.

1461
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: We go and catch chickens. We do that for at

1462
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: least two two and a half hour. Yeah, we get back.

1463
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: Let's say you get back at midnight one o'clock, just

1464
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: so you could because remember now you've been in the

1465
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: chicken house.

1466
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, dust, you got to get that off you. So

1467
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: that's another Yeah, I gotta get that off.

1468
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: Here's another hour, hour and a half so you can

1469
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 2: get in bed, just to get up and get on

1470
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 2: the truck with mister Joe in the morning again at seven.

1471
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: And people don't realize this that we did this while

1472
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: we going to school.

1473
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 2: Also go to school, playing football, go to practice, come

1474
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 2: home at five thirty six.

1475
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: Each I did homework. I did I did it. I

1476
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: don't speak. I don't like to talk about other people.

1477
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: I did homework, do homework.

1478
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 2: Wait till it get dark, get on the chicken truck,

1479
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 2: drive thirty five, forty five hour, catch chickens, come back

1480
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 2: home just to get up the next morning to do

1481
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 2: it again. Because if we wanted a pair of you know,

1482
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: two pair of running shoes and trap, yep, we had

1483
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: to pay for it.

1484
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: You know.

1485
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 2: Granny was like, hey, son, how much money you got saved?

1486
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: Wasn't no bank for us, it's under the mattress.

1487
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: Yep. How much money you got saved? Granny? I got,

1488
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and forty dollars. Let me borrow,

1489
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: not give me.

1490
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 2: Let me borrow twenty, so I can, you know, keep

1491
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 2: the life on or let me get forty from you

1492
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,759
Speaker 2: so we can pay for gas for heat.

1493
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: So because back then it was protein protein.

1494
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if if I had spent whatever on basketball shoes,

1495
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: then we moved the heater over and we got to

1496
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: use the fireplace for heat sometimes heat and like so.

1497
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, you know, just just the way we

1498
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: grew up.

1499
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 3: I don't do it so much now, but I used

1500
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 3: to tell kids, and when I do, I still do

1501
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: when I go go speak in the pears appearances and

1502
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 3: I tell people, I say, kids, make sure your kids

1503
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 3: have a lot of jobs while they're kids, because they'll

1504
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 3: let them know what they don't want to do.

1505
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: I'll agree with you.

1506
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 2: To this point because my daughter's had one job and

1507
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Speaker 2: she's been on this job for about eight years, nine years.

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Speaker 2: But my daughter's like me. You don't have to tell

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Speaker 2: her because she's a lot like you. She's always watching

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Speaker 2: and she's processing. And so I learned that how we

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Speaker 2: grew up and what was done too and for us

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Speaker 2: is different. Oh yeah, for her only because when she's

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Speaker 2: a girl, she's smart as hell. She's six feet tall,

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Speaker 2: she's extremely athletic.

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Speaker 1: But she's a girl. So sports are out of the

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Speaker 1: question because you know, you can't be sweating with the

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Speaker 1: hair with your girl, So that's not a question. But

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Speaker 1: I learned that, you know what, And I learned this

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Speaker 1: through all our years. You know, when we were coming

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Speaker 1: up in the church. The thing is is we weren't

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Speaker 1: just coming up in the church. We were participants, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I learned biblically that.

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Speaker 2: In our spirit, if you just shut up and pay attention,

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Speaker 2: it'll guide you and put you in places that you

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Speaker 2: never thought you'd be. And it has a way of

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Speaker 2: putting you exactly where you're supposed to be the moment

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Speaker 2: you're supposed to be there. And so I learned that

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Speaker 2: the way I grew up, I could not raise my

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Speaker 2: kid that way. Yeah, I learned that, and I'm glad

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Speaker 2: I learned that. And I don't I tell people all

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Speaker 2: the time, hey, look at your kid. You nay, you

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Speaker 2: graize them anyway. But I also tell them, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is my life. So just because you think I'm

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Speaker 2: an asshole because I won't give you an autograph or

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Speaker 2: a picture, understand this.

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Speaker 1: I tell my kid no. How hard do you think

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Speaker 1: it is telling your kid no? Right. I look forward

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01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: to telling your kid, no, it's easy. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I try not to contrast and compare it only because

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Speaker 1: this is my life. There are many like it, but

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Speaker 1: this one is mine.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get what you need from it based on

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01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: how you are around me. And if you're not gonna

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01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: get anything from me, there's a good chance you're not

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Speaker 2: gonna be around me.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna be around me enough to get something.

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Speaker 3: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

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Speaker 3: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

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Speaker 3: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

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01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 3: simply go back to Club Shashay profile and I'll see

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Speaker 3: you there.