1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm awkward to stuff'll 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: never tell you protection of iHeartRadio. And today is May second, 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I'm just gonna put that in there 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: because this conversation we're talking about today is changing ongoing. Also, 5 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: you can see our book for more information about this, 6 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: because we're kind of talking about sexualized costumes, costumes iman 7 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: kind of uniforms for women in sports, and we have 8 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: a section on that in our book. We've also talked 9 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: about it before in I think mostly update episodes where 10 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: we've talked about sports, and you can see our Olympics 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: episode that we did. But yeah, this comes up depressingly often, 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: and here we are again. Here we are again. So yes, 13 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: we are a little bit late to the game. But 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: back in mid April twenty twenty four, Nike revealed a 15 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: series of outfits uniforms for athletes competing in the Olympics 16 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four in Paris. One particular uniform caught 17 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: quite a lot of attention. It was a body suit 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: for Team USA's track and Field women's team specifically. But 19 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 1: I will clarify this more later because there's some argument 20 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: about that based on the image. The body suit appears 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: to be very high cut on the hips and extremely 22 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: uncomfortable and revealing. It is very high cut. It was 23 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: a whole thing, especially when the Internet got hold of 24 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: a side by side, which is how the company announced it. 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: They had a side by side of the men's uniform 26 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: with the women's. The men's uniform is a tank with 27 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: some mid length compression shorts, so very different. Nike face 28 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: all sorts of criticisms for this design. People, many of 29 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: them athletes are somehow in the realm of athletes, express 30 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: concern over sexualizing women with this over performance, and many 31 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: mistook it for a bathing suit. A lot of people 32 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: were genuinely like, oh, is this for swimming? Is not? 33 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: Former US track and field athlete Lauren Fleshman posted, professional 34 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: athletes should be able to compete without dedicating brain space 35 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: to constant pube vigilance or the mental gymnastics of having 36 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: every vulnerable piece of your body on display. Women's kits 37 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: should be in service to performance mentally and physically. If 38 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: this outfit was truly beneficial to physical performance, men would 39 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: wear it. This is not an elite athletic kit for 40 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: track and field. This is a costume born of patriarchal 41 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: forces that are no longer welcome or needed to get 42 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: eyes on women's sports. Long jumper Tara Woodhall posted, wait, 43 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: my houha is going to be out. Two time Paralympian 44 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: Famita onion Pecu posted this is clearly a joke. I'm 45 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: someone's mom. I can't be exposing myself in such ways. 46 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: Where are the shorts? Paralympian track and field athlete Juleen 47 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: Roberts said this mannequin is standing still in everything, showing 48 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: imagine mid flight. Woof. Here's a quote from The Daily Beast. 49 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: There's no way a female runner had any say in 50 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: that design. I hope USATF is paying for bikini waxes. 51 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: Another commenter wondered, if the Labia are hanging out on 52 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: a still mannequin, what do we expect to happen to 53 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: a moving person? And from the Atlantic quote in response 54 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: to the women's body suit included in the first look promo, 55 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: Grayson Murphy, a two time world champion in mount running, 56 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: said that Gussett is giving me anxiety. It's representing other 57 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: countries also sounded off on the design. Canadian hurdler and 58 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: two time olympian at Sage Watson wrote, Yeah, that's a 59 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: note for me. Dog. An English long jumper, Abigail Abigail 60 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: Irrazuru shared a photo of the uniforms to her Instagram 61 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: story with the caption was any female athlete consulted in 62 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: this team? 63 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: Kit can? I read some of the comments so like, 64 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: I saw this on Instagram again, we're a little late 65 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: to the game and now and then, which is what 66 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: the news organizations had that posted, and people of course 67 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: commenting and the amount of men being like, what's the problem. 68 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, y'all are complaining blah blah blah blah blah. 69 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: But like some of the comments in hair A Gold. 70 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: One was talking about the fact that Naire was going 71 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: to be their sponsor was one and then there was 72 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: a comment that says one huddle in and a whole 73 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: lip is going to slide out, oh, which I was 74 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: like yep. And then this one I thought was funny essentially, 75 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: was like it looks like Nike is supporting bring out 76 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: the bush, Let the bush out, And I was like 77 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: they are doing this is too good. And someone was 78 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: talking about where does my lapia go? And I was like, 79 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 2: at least they brought in. I mean, I feel like 80 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: after all of the conversations we've had about women's volleyball 81 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: teams and how they're like this is unnecessary, and again 82 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: being like why is this, Why is this necessary? Like 83 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: if it was that beneficial, as they had said, men 84 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: would be wearing it too, So either men should be 85 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: wearing this as well, or we should be wearing women 86 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: should be wearing what the men are wearing. Like it 87 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean anything. And then like there was this 88 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: whole argument within the comments about how people women or 89 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 2: those arguing against us do not understand how balls work 90 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 2: compared to vaginas and they don't all hang out like 91 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: balls do. And I'm like, wow, you're super reaching, dude. 92 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: And it wasn't dude, by the way, man's to us 93 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: about how vaginas are easily covered. 94 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: Right, which a lot of issues with it. 95 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: Which it can be if it was shorts, if. 96 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: It was shorts. But yeah, again, if you're like running, 97 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: which is what you're meant to do. 98 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: In this at the hardest speed possible. 99 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Yes, And it's we've talked about this before. It was 100 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: is a running joke that women who do like that 101 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: volleyball or handball have like to have like a specific 102 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: wedgie pick that they do. They just do, which is 103 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: the thing that you have to do, and it's on 104 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: camera and like, and we've also talked about how these 105 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: sexualized uniforms have kept women girls from competing. Like literally, 106 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: if that's what I have to wear, I'm not confident 107 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: of that, right, not doing that. So it's a it's 108 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: a thing. It's a big deal, and I'm all, I'm 109 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: kind of flabbergasted by this whole thing just because to me, 110 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: also just that like different gender and outfits, Like, I know, 111 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: bodies are different, but you don't have to we don't 112 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: have to do it like this. 113 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: The bodies are different, but it doesn't mean like one 114 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: can wear a little piece of lightning between their crotch 115 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: and then be able to jump, Like I can't imagine 116 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: the amount of sand. Yeah that's gonna fly up in 117 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: that if you're doing like a long jump. 118 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. And also I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure. 119 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure some companies can get a fine for streaming. 120 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, this is a separate issue, 121 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: but for if like Pubes did, you can get fined 122 00:07:59,120 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: for it. 123 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, National TV. 124 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, which again that's kind of a separate thing, but 125 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: they're taking a risk, what I'm saying. 126 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: And then can we just talk about the overall sexualization 127 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: that is oftentimes that if something is captured, if a 128 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: woman is captured in some kind of position, the way 129 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: that that's going to live on the internet and media 130 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: forever because Nike decided, the sponsored outfit decided this is 131 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: this is the one. 132 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: Of course, And it's also going back to some of 133 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: those comments, Yes, you don't want to be wasting that 134 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: like brain space and time on any kind of maintenance, 135 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: but also that's going to kind of at least for 136 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: I would say a good amount of people take you 137 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: out like you're going to be thinking about that, and 138 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: you don't need to be thinking about that. You are 139 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: in like the toughest competition of your life, maybe right, 140 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: and you're worried about like, oh no, what if my 141 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: body looks weird? 142 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: Right? Women are often talking about this jiggles or this 143 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: looks sunky, how you can see one of my stretch 144 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: marks here? Like having that in itself. And don't get 145 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: me wrong, I know these athletes are like in shape 146 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: and tone, but like whether they're too muscular there too, 147 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: Like so many conversations that happen about this that just 148 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: shouldn't be happening, as well as the fact that can 149 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: we talk about in a world where they say dress 150 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: appropriately or if you get attacked, you deserved it, and 151 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: then this is what they want to feature as professional 152 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: athletic gear. 153 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: Right, okay, right, it's like, don't be sexual, but also 154 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: if you want to be in this, you've got to 155 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: be reliance. 156 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: We need to show it off things of all everything. 157 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: It just reinforces the idea too that men it's they're 158 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: the athletic ones. When it's nice that you're here, that 159 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: we can look at you, it's still your looks but 160 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: not your performance that we're into when so many things, 161 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: as we mentioned lately, like women are killing it. They 162 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: have been and they currently are in terms of sports, 163 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: in terms of what people are watching, in terms of 164 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: what people are interested in. So this is like an antiquated, 165 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: ridiculous sexist idea that needs to go that like women 166 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: are lesser wear the sexual outfit, right, I must say. 167 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Nike has responded to these criticisms. One spokesperson said, we 168 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: showcased some of the new Olympic uniforms at the Nike 169 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: on Air Experience in Paris, but as we are a 170 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: few months from the games and working with limited samples 171 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: in a limited format presentation, not all looks and styles 172 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: were featured. They asserted that they have over fifty styles 173 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: and women are not limited to the leotard. They can 174 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: also wear the men's design if they want. I'm curious 175 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: about this. I would love if someone could write in 176 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: because I can't. That just confuses me. Then, I mean, 177 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: if you want to wear that, and we're going to 178 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: get into that in a second, that's totally fine. But 179 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: that was the one you showcase. I guess I. 180 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: Look what we did, right, variation? How little you want 181 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: to cover? 182 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: Yes? Oh, speaking of this is sort of funny to 183 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: me in a dark way. They also pointed out that 184 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: they raised the neckline of the leotard because they respect 185 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: women's comfort. 186 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: Remember looking at that, going this doesn't make sense. 187 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: Okay, you want points for that, right? 188 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 2: I also think that same way about like skater skating outfits, 189 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: Like when figure skaters come about with like the fact 190 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: that the uniform is a bathing suit but with sleeves 191 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: that I'm like, I don't understand if that's comfortable, and 192 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: that maybe there's some reasons for that, I don't quite get. 193 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: I get like not having dresses and trains and things 194 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: like it's get stuck on you. Absolute get that, but 195 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: to the point that I'm like, I've always been like, 196 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: it always is such an oxymoron that I every time 197 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: I look at it just fills off when I see 198 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: sleeves and no no bottoms. 199 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and to that end. So one of 200 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: the big complaints that we've been talking about, and that 201 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: was huge online, was people were saying, did you ask 202 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: anybody any woman who's going to be wearing this? Apparently 203 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: USA Track and Field claims that some athletes were consulted, 204 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: and since all of the online backlash, some have reported 205 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: that they do like the design. The mannequin just didn't 206 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: do it justice. This is also on the heels of 207 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: another outfit controversy courtesy of Nike, with the newly designed 208 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: MLB outfits that sort of became a meme because they're 209 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: see through and their bad quality and care to the 210 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: point that they are from what I understand, they are 211 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: going to redo them. It was I mean, I felt bad, 212 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: but I was laughing at pictures of it, like, oh yeah, 213 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: that's see true. 214 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,479 Speaker 2: I feel like they're just you would think with multimillion 215 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: dollar deals in contracts they would get good quality things. 216 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: I don't understand. Is this how they're like, oh, but 217 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: this is because of inflation, we have to do less 218 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: when we know that this has all been a lie 219 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: to begin with. Like, yes, that was a little bit 220 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: of problem during COVID, but it has been fixed since 221 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: then with a shortage, and you're just trying to make 222 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: more money. So are you trying to like cut through 223 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: some things so you can make more money for the 224 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: for the CEOs, Like I don't understand. 225 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: I definitely think so. I definitely think so, but I 226 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: could be wrong, and let me know. I will say 227 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: in fairness, some have changed their mind after seeing this 228 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: bodysuit in person, including Davis Woodhall that we quoted earlier 229 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: quote it was the picture that did no justice. I 230 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: saw one today. They're beautiful. They're not like the picture. 231 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: The cut looks a bit different on that mannequin. They 232 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: just should have had a second look with someone to 233 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: choose that photo to post. I mean, it's the photo 234 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: is bad. It looks bad. And then I wanted to 235 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: end on this. So here's a quote from Gold medalist 236 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: poll Walter Katie Moon, who is sponsored by Nike. I 237 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: have to say, but she said that while she believes 238 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: the outfit is troubling. Quote, even if it's with the 239 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: best of intentions, you're ultimately attacking our decision as women 240 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: to wear it. The point is we do have the 241 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: choice of what to wear and whether we feel the 242 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: best in a potato sack or a bathing suit during competition. 243 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: We should support the autonomy. Should I agree with I 244 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: guess I'm just really curious about how much freedom of 245 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: choice there actually is. 246 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: Right after all the conversations that we've seen and negotiations 247 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: and women being told they can't compete unless they follow 248 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: these things, including about hair and different types of things 249 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: like that, there hasn't been much choice, and there hasn't 250 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: been much conversations. So perhaps there is now, which is 251 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: great and choosing is great. But again, also it comes 252 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: to the fact like why did you choose? Did you 253 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: did you know this was going to controversy so people 254 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: would talk about it? And you did this on purpose? 255 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: Who chose this? Minnegan to stretch it up and give 256 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: it the worst wedgie in its life? Like who did this? 257 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: Like there's so many thought processes, like, after everything that 258 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: you've gone through as an organization that has seen sexism 259 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: within this type of field, why would you not have 260 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: a deeper conversation like that looks like the first thing 261 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: you see is that's going to show everything everything. Yeah, 262 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: and then if you're walking in that, that's going to 263 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: be up everything. So who did this? Yeah? 264 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: Who did this? Who did this? Because either it is 265 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: the most like up too because again the last Olympics 266 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, because COVID, they had the huge 267 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: backlash with the handball the handball team women's handball team protesting, 268 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: so it's like been a conversation and they got the rules, 269 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: they helped get the rules changed. So either you were 270 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: in doing this incredibly obtuse and like just not tuned 271 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: in at all. Oh yeah, you knew it would cause controversy. 272 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, but they I mean when I was 273 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: researching this, like every article ended with kind of a 274 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: flustered comment, like they reached out to Nike for comment 275 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: and a flustered reply like we weren't done yet. So 276 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, listeners, if you have any more 277 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: information about this, I just if there's fifty options that's great, 278 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: but I feel like there's still got to be some 279 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: pressure where you're all wearing the same thing or something 280 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: like there's some because I usually when I watched the Olympics, 281 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: they're all wearing the same thing, right, So either this 282 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: is new or there is some kind of unspoken to 283 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: us as viewer, ur as an outsider, you're gonna wear this, yeah, 284 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: And I would like to know. 285 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: It's also interesting to see alphas like this when major 286 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: sports events can happen in places like a tar where 287 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: wearing something like this will get you arrested. 288 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 289 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: And like it's Paris is obviously a little different, but 290 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: like you you think, like with an international issue like that, 291 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: and again I know it's only for the US team, 292 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: but it's just like there's so many indications and implications 293 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 2: when it comes to uniforms, and we already know it's 294 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: already like, uh right, an issue, but then you start 295 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: considering like the international aspect. 296 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, And just to hammer the point home again, I 297 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: think that they chose the side by side of what 298 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: they say was fifty options, and it's this one, the 299 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: male one that looks very functional and for women, it's 300 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: like a swimsuit is gonna show off everything. 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