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Speaker 3: I Smell pop Culture with Easton Allen and I Heart

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Easton Allen, I Am all In Podcasts one

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Speaker 1: This is I Smell pop Culture? Do you smell pop culture?

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Speaker 1: Do they smell pop culture? I Smell pop Culture. This

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a lot of fun. Here's what we

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Speaker 1: do on the show. If you're just joining us for

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Speaker 1: the first time. We love Gilmore Girls. We love the

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Speaker 1: pop culture references in Gilmore Girls. They tie the show

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Speaker 1: we love it. But sometimes you gotta go a little deeper.

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Speaker 1: So here's what we're doing. We're picking out some of

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Speaker 1: our favorite pop culture references from the entire of Gilmore Girls,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to explore them on a granular level

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Speaker 1: that you can only do with a podcast. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk to the people that made these pop culture

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Speaker 1: references into a piece of pop culture. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk to the stars, the writers, the producers, the singers,

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Speaker 1: We're talking to them all baby, And this week we're

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Speaker 1: doing something really really exciting. This is This is something

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Speaker 1: that you may or may not be familiar with, a

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Speaker 1: little show called cop Rock. I know what you're thinking,

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Speaker 1: what's cop Rock? What is that? Imagine if you watched

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Speaker 1: Law and Order, but then they started sinking Broadway level,

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Speaker 1: Broadway level songs, Broadway level productions, television drama at the

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Speaker 1: highest level. This is truly a big swing. And if

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Speaker 1: there's something I love, it's a big swing. I love

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Speaker 1: big risks. I love when people try a crazy idea,

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Speaker 1: and that is what they did with cop Rock. This

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Speaker 1: show premiered on ABC in nineteen ninety. It ran for

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Speaker 1: eleven episodes. It was canceled, It was abruptly canceled. It

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Speaker 1: was not met with with good reviews. This show was

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Speaker 1: truly bizarre, but an incredible show nonetheless. And here is

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Speaker 1: why it connects to Gilmore Girls. We're going to season five,

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Speaker 1: episode thirteen, Wedding Bell Blues. This is the cold open

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Speaker 1: before the theme song plays. Laura is at Luke's. They're

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Speaker 1: spending the night. We're having a cop Rock marathon. And

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Speaker 1: Lorela leaves the coffee shop, Luke says, hold on, did

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Speaker 1: you say cop Rock marathon? And Lurlai says, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: seeing me? So Laura La big cop Rock fan. She

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Speaker 1: has all eleven episodes on tape. You can get all

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Speaker 1: eleven episodes of cop Rock on a DVD from Shout Factory.

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Speaker 1: This show has a cult following now. People love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I watched a lot of cop Rock

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Speaker 1: Peter on Aroti. He played Detective Vincent LaRusso, who's kind

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Randy music. Yeah, the pilot music is quite incredible,

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Speaker 2: the story was and Steven Boschko told me this visit

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Speaker 2: So but it all worked out. It was it Actually,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's so crazy. I have so many

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Speaker 1: more questions for you. We're gonna take a really quick

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Speaker 1: break here on I smell pop culture. Stick around, everybody,

431
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Speaker 1: this is I smell pop culture. Peter Onoati with us, Uh,

432
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Speaker 1: the star of Cop rock. I I'm so curious.

433
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Speaker 2: Like watching one of the stars of Hey.

434
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Speaker 1: As far as i'm you're the main character of that show.

435
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: If you ask me, it's this is a Vince Lariso's story. Uh.

436
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: When I watch your performance, I'm so curious. Like preparing

437
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: for a role, a typical role, you know, you read

438
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: your lines, you you think about what the the you know,

439
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: what's the character experiencing this has the added challenge of learning.

440
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: You gotta learn songs and dancing. What was the preparation

441
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Speaker 1: like before you film? Like, like, how would you get this?

442
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: You get a copy of the song to learn? How

443
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Speaker 1: did that work?

444
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta you got a cassette tape with the

445
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: music and the words done by one of the writers

446
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: that or two of the writers that wrote it. You

447
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: studied that, you know, and usually for somebody like me.

448
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: It was my first time. They'd try to schedule it

449
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: later on in the uh in the you know, in

450
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Speaker 2: the episode, I mean it was an eight days that's

451
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Speaker 2: another thing. We did four songs in episode and only

452
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Speaker 2: a regular eight day shoot like a regular drama, our drama.

453
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: That's all that's insane and everything recorded like we said live.

454
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Speaker 2: So my preparation didn't change at all from my preparation

455
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: to do a character. You know, whatever it is in

456
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: my background that I could call upon, and for this

457
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: I could call upon a lot. My uncle, Pat Depalmer,

458
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: was the chief of police in my hometown. My father

459
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: was a part time cop when he was younger. You know,

460
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of there. Both were marines, you know,

461
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: I got all kinds of that stuff in it. None

462
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: of them sang. But the thing that I found, which

463
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: was a great it was an acting lesson for me,

464
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: was because I wasn't that confident of my voice. I

465
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Speaker 2: knew I could carry a tune, but I wasn't like

466
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Speaker 2: Anne Bobby or Paul mccrane or any of these guys

467
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Speaker 2: who could sing. And I had trained voices, you know,

468
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: I had to bury myself in my character. This was

469
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: really my character's inner voice singing out. So I wasn't

470
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Speaker 2: performing some of those some of those numbers were performed

471
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: like musicals and had dancing and stuff. Most of my

472
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: numbers were quite introspective and really voices of the inner character,

473
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Speaker 2: you know. And and so it wasn't that hard to

474
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Speaker 2: prepare for because I didn't because I have to tell

475
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Speaker 2: you something in my mind, people like Anne Bobby who've

476
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: done musicals and stuff, there's a switch in your body

477
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: as an actor that you have to be able to

478
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: flip to do a musical, to be able to blow

479
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: away all reality and to overact and to do I

480
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: don't know if it's called overacting, but to really really present.

481
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: I don't know that I have that talent. But like

482
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: I said, Aunt Bobby could, and you know, and and

483
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Speaker 2: a few other people you know who had performed, know

484
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: even as even as rock musicians, you know, like Larry had,

485
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: Larry Joshua had a band, Jimmy McDaniels hit a song

486
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: already in theater, Paul mccrane of course fame. Yeah, yeah,

487
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: you know, he's brilliant, and you know, so so so

488
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: my preparation and plus the fact that I was not

489
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: that accomplished an actor. I've only been into business a

490
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: couple of years, so I I had to depend on

491
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: my own natural process and just make the music fit

492
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: in to that, you know, And so it did I

493
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Speaker 2: think it fit in? Well?

494
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Speaker 3: I don't.

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00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not I'm not a big fan of my

496
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: voice and whether I hit the right notes. But each

497
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: time at least in my numbers and a bunch of

498
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: other numbers too, But I felt that in my numbers

499
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Speaker 2: that it worked. It worked in the show.

500
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Speaker 1: You know, I love hearing that you looked at it

501
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: as like this is the character expressing their inner thoughts

502
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: through the songs. It comes across so well that way,

503
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: And I mean personally, like you keep saying you don't

504
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: like your voice, Like I mean, you know, I've seen

505
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: you in Good Fellows, I've seen you in Swat, like

506
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: I've seen all this stuff. And when I watched Cop Rock,

507
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, he's got the voice

508
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: of an angel too. Who was this guy?

509
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: I wish?

510
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: You know?

511
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: Who's a singer in my house? Is my wife? She was?

512
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: She was an actress when I met her, and she

513
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: has an amazing voice. She's she's become a writer, producer,

514
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: all our lives together. She you know, she was on

515
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: shows like Big Love, Good Advice. She started out. She

516
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: was actually nominated for an Emmy her first job here.

517
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: Her and her partner Meei Freedman Jenet Collins is her name.

518
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: Her and her partner meet me Freeman, were nominated for

519
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: an Emmy on the first show that they wrote on

520
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: here in Hollywood, which was in Living Color.

521
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh, they wrote Wow.

522
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: They wrote the first season of In Living Color with

523
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: Wow people. Yeah so, but but but the asign is

524
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: that she has an incredible voice and probably perfect pitch.

525
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: You know. I wouldn't know because I don't have perfect pitch.

526
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: But uh, and I'm I'm the jerk who gets the

527
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: thing on TV. You know.

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Speaker 1: So you do, you do cop Rock and then you

529
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Speaker 1: go on to work with Stephen Bosco a lot, Civil Wars,

530
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: Murder one, some ny PD Blue episodes. Was cop Rock?

531
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Speaker 1: The first role you had where you played a member

532
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Speaker 1: of law enforcement?

533
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, all I did before that was was Kate

534
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: and Alley. You know, that was it. That was the

535
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: first one. And this interesting thing happened after Pop Rock

536
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: was canceled. Stephen called me up, and this is how

537
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: new I was in the business. Calls me up my

538
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: trailer and he says, ABC's gonna call you about a

539
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: holding deal. I went, Okay, what's that. Well, they're going

540
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: to pay you a certain amount to hold you for

541
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Speaker 2: an ABC show. And I went, they do that?

542
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Speaker 3: You know?

543
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: Because yeah, they do that?

544
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Speaker 4: You know.

545
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: So, so I'm sitting around waiting for an ABC show

546
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: and I get called to do I met with Stephen Cannell.

547
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: He wanted me to do the commission. Do you remember

548
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: the show?

549
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: Oh y, yes, yeah, Michael Ticholas, Yes.

550
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: Chicky did it, which is it was a great show

551
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: for him.

552
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

553
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: Well I turned it down because it was in Vancouver

554
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: and my kids were like four and two, and so

555
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: I said, no, I can't go to Vancouver for twenty

556
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: five weeks a year, you know. Plus it wasn't an

557
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: ABC show and I had this holding deal with ABC,

558
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 2: so I figured something might come my way, you know.

559
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: And in the meantime, Civil Wars comes around, and I

560
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: asked Steven, I said, you know, would you consider me

561
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: for Civil Wars? And then he called me and he said, yeah,

562
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: I got this role for you, but it was a

563
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: lesser role. It was like a private investigator, you know

564
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: that work for Charlie Howell and the firm. And then

565
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: I got a call from somebody else to do another lead.

566
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: So I called Stephen back and I go, hey, you're

567
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: my mentor. These guys are all calling me about doing leads,

568
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: and you want me to do this secondary role. I said,

569
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: would you consider me for the lead? He goes okay,

570
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, And so I came in and I read,

571
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: and I loved the law. I had two semesters of

572
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: law undergraduate and two semesters in graduate school from my MBA.

573
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: I loved the law. I just was not as conscientious

574
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: an individual to go to law school and study I could.

575
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: One of my best friends in college, his name is

576
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: tom Vinaski. Tommy and I were co captains of the

577
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: football team. Tommy was from Shamokin, Pennsylvania. Cole Town boy. Yeah,

578
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: nothing but football and.

579
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: Cole Okay, sounds like it.

580
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. He graduate, waited and went on to law school,

581
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: and he just now retired as a federal appeals court

582
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: judge Obama had appointed him. Okay, that was Tommy. I

583
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: could not do what Tommy did you know? I could

584
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: not be But I love the law. I loved the

585
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: idea of having to legislate morality. How do you write

586
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: in sentence form how to behave morally or what is

587
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: morally right? What is morally wrong? And what kind of

588
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: what kind of penalties? You know? So the law always

589
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: interesting me. I loved it, you know, And and so

590
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: Stephen had me read and then then it looked like, yeah,

591
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: I got it. Right, and then they're looking for the

592
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: female lead and they can't find the female lead. So

593
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: Greg Homlet, who was Stephen's best guy for he did

594
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: all his pilots, calls me up once. He says, what

595
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: do you think about Mario Humingway? And I said, well,

596
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: I said, that would be an incredible thing for the

597
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: you know, for the commercial success of the show. You know,

598
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: screw you and your NBA shit. You know, come on, guys,

599
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: you asked me.

600
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sensing a theme here.

601
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, right. So, so Mary All got the job, and

602
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: then then Debbie Maser got the job. And Debbie and

603
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: I were in Goodfellas. We never knew each other, but

604
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: she had a nice, big role in Goodfellas, you know,

605
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: so we and then David Marciano was on, and David

606
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: and I grew up probably ten miles away from each

607
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: other in New Jersey, so we could finish each other's

608
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: you know, jokes and sense. So Civil Wars was wonderful.

609
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: And to be able to to actually, some of the

610
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: best lawyers are actors, so to be able to be

611
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: an actor playing a lawyer who's being an actor in

612
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: a summation speech was really cool, you know. But It

613
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: was brutal, sometimes these couple of pages of summation speeches

614
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: that you had to memorize and stuff. But I loved

615
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: it and I loved it, and that show in particular

616
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: Civil War, because it was civil law, it was about

617
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: family law. It was really, really, really visceral in the

618
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: way it tore people apart or put people together. And

619
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: years after that, I do this regular benefit in Omaha, Nebraska,

620
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: so far away from me culturally and philosophically, with wonderful people.

621
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: Even years after that, I've been doing it for twenty

622
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: some years or more. Actually, people will come up to

623
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 2: me and cite particular episodes of Civil Wars because maybe

624
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: they were going through a divorce at the time, or

625
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: a custody battle, or caring for an elder parent. Whatever

626
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: it was. Really it was another show that was beyond

627
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: its time. It was very hard. Network almost put it

628
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: on because it was so dark, you know. Uh. In fact,

629
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: the pilot episode, the pilot episode had to be reshot okay,

630
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: because my scenario was I was defending a guy whose

631
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: wife asked him for a divorce. He was he was

632
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: a schmat the guy he was in the you know,

633
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: in the uh uh in New York in you know,

634
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 2: the garment district. She was young and she was taking

635
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: advantage of him and everything. And you know who played

636
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 2: the guy who? Jerry Stiller.

637
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And I wish that.

638
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: This film could be found someplace, yes, because you should

639
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: see Jerry Stiller's dramatic acting. It was incredible, and it

640
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: was so incredible that it was too damn dark. And

641
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: the network said, oh, sorry, we can't use it. You

642
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta do another story. So they ended up

643
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: filming another story where I'm defending a woman who's who's

644
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: who's divorcing her husband, and her husband is played by

645
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: Dennis Franz and Dennis is possessed by Elvis, and he

646
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: was talking like Elvis, and he says, I love you silly.

647
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: She goes, my name is not silly. Your name is

648
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: not Elvis. It's Murray Seidelman. You're a coffee salesman, you know.

649
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: And it was so wonderfully dramatic and poignant, and of

650
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: course Dennis fran.

651
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 5: Dennis friends, you know, oh yeah, And they went through

652
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 5: I mean they went they built the they built the

653
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 5: big spread eagle uh costume that Elvis.

654
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: Wore for this awesome amazing. So that was the pilot episode,

655
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: and uh, they still felt it was too dark, they

656
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: you know, So we got two seasons out of it.

657
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: But that was it, you know. And then uh, I

658
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: came back for Murder one, and then I came back

659
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: as a regular for Murder in the first where I

660
00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: got to work with Felton Todd Felton, Oh yeah, so,

661
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: but Stephen always and then I came back for that

662
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: arc on NYPD. You know. The funny thing was the

663
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: second season of Civil Wars. Stephen sent the pilot episode

664
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: of NYPD down to my trailer. He says, read this,

665
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: tell me what you think. So I read it and

666
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: I said, well, the lead character has an Irish name.

667
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: Are we not working together anymore? He said, screw you.

668
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: You got your own show. And we had not been

669
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: dropped yet. We were still waiting to see if we

670
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: had gotten picked up. And sure enough, we got dropped

671
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: right after, you know, and I said, you so. But

672
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: but Stephen was wonderful to me. You know. I spent

673
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: a lot of time before he died. I spent some

674
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: time with him and and his wife, his ex wife, Barbara.

675
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: I was friends with her, and we go and see

676
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: her she's she's gone now too. Barbara died a couple

677
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: of years ago. But they were real, real cheerleaders for

678
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: me coming in. They didn't know who No one knew

679
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: who I was. I mean, Jimmy McDaniels came off a

680
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: Broadway to do cop Rock, Paul mccrane, you know, fame

681
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: and everything else. Ronnie Cox established you know, a terminator

682
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: or whatever else he was in, you know, and Bobby

683
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: had come off Broadway, so they didn't really know. They

684
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: actually thought, I think that I was a Shakespearean actor

685
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: that they'd never heard of. I know Shakespeare from my

686
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: left arm, you know. In fact, one time I was

687
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: just telling a friend of mine. We were filming Firebirds

688
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: with Tommy Lee Jones, and the two of us were stuck.

689
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: Tommy Lee and I were stuck in the eight by

690
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: eight camouflage net while Nick and Sean were filming because

691
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: there were cameras going from like a mile around. Tommy

692
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: Lee says to me, I won't direct you as Yago.

693
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I had to go home and figure

694
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: out which Shakespearean play Yago was in. So like I say,

695
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: oh that's good, I'll do that, you know, Yeah, sure,

696
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: I can't. But so so I'm kind of theater a literate.

697
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: I you know, like I said, I got my I

698
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: got my I got my actor's equity card. My first

699
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: actor's equity job was in the original play Talk Radio

700
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: on Broadway.

701
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought that up. I love the

702
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: movie Talk Radio. I've always wanted to see it on stage.

703
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: And when I saw you had done that at the

704
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: public theater, I was like, I got to ask him

705
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: about that.

706
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was wow. I was in fact

707
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: right at the time, I hadn't gotten Kate all yet.

708
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: I was making good money doing commercials, really good money

709
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: doing commercials. So I had only a commercial agent. Yeah,

710
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: I had only a commercial agent. I need to have

711
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: a legit agent to send me out for stuff. I

712
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: was sending myself out for stuff that was in backstage

713
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: or whatever. And so I get this auditioned for to

714
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: do voices in talk radio, to do callers in talk radio,

715
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: because I had some voiceover work. I was and then

716
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: and I said to my commercial agents, I said, do

717
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: I really want to do this? I mean, you know,

718
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm making thousands and thousands of dollars doing commercial Why

719
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: do I want to do this public theater things. They went,

720
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: are you out of your mind? Public theater? You go

721
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: do that job. We'll get you commercial work. You just

722
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: go do the job at the public. Right. So I

723
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: had one scene on stage. The first opening scene is

724
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: me and Zach Grenier. He's the financial guy and I

725
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: play his engineer. And then I go off and I

726
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: did like four other characters, you know, some of which

727
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: I actually created. I brought to Eric came back and

728
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: asked me, well, here's the audition was. So there was

729
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: this guy. My wife loves this story. My wife and

730
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: I used to go on west Ford Street in New

731
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 2: York to this little place called the Bagel Restaurant, and

732
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: every time we get in there, it's a guy would

733
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: Our waiter would come up and he go, how are you.

734
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Speaker 6: I haven't seen you in such a long time. You're

735
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 6: looking at wedding. He says, you want to do Georg

736
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 6: Jordan and I said yes. Then he goes, Casey, push

737
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 6: to well done, Grasan Nasai.

738
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Speaker 2: How about you, honey. Right, So I get one of

739
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: these characters and I'm in the back and I use

740
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: that voice and Eric stops and he comes back and

741
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: he's looking around. He goes, who was I said it

742
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: was me. He goes, no, I said, yeah, it was me,

743
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: you know. And so Glenn, even in the movie is Latino.

744
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: He wasn't Latino in the script. Wow and so, and

745
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: then Eric needed another character. I said, well, you know,

746
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: I do this. You know, I went to college in Pennsylvania.

747
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: I've got Philadelphia accent, I've got Pittsburgh accent. I said,

748
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: you know, I want to do truck you want he said,

749
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: I want to do truck driver. I said, well, let's

750
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: do truck driver with a Pittsburgh accent, you know, which

751
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: I just did. And this is us. I was pretty

752
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: much the only one that was allowed to do the

753
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh accident because it came through pretty well. But I,

754
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: you know, I went to college with those guys, you know,

755
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: spent time, you know, drinking and everything else. So so

756
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: that was a character that we kind of created together.

757
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: The bad thing was when Oliver Stone was auditioning for

758
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: the movie. You come in with you bring three characters

759
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: that you're going to do. So I came in. He said, well,

760
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: what characters you want to do. I said, well, I'm

761
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: gonna do Glenn, and I'm gonna do that. He goes, well,

762
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: we already have a Glenn. I went, how could you

763
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: have a Glenn? I The reason Latino is because I

764
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: did it that way. How the hell could you have

765
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: a Glenn?

766
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: You know?

767
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't get any part in the movie. So,

768
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: but one of the reasons that Oliver Stone did the

769
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: movie was because John c McGinley, you know him, was

770
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: in Platoon and Johnny was in Talk Radio in the play,

771
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: so he got Stone to come up and see to

772
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: play and then Stone worked it out with Eric and

773
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 2: that's when they did the movie.

774
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, wow, yeah, yeah, I love it. Peter on

775
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: Aati's with us. It's I Smell Pop Culture. I have

776
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: more questions about some of your other roles. We're gonna

777
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: get to here in just one second. We got to

778
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll play some commercials here. It's

779
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: I Smell Pop Culture. My name's Easton Allen and we're

780
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: here with Peter Onati from Cop Rock and okay, so

781
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: the same year that he did cop Rock and actually

782
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: maybe you can clarify the timeline here, but you're also

783
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: being Goodfellas. You have such an incredible role in Goodfellas.

784
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: Did you film that before Cop Rock or act.

785
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: No.

786
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Goodfellas came out in ninety. Cop Rock came out

787
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: in ninety but Goodfellows was filmed almost almost at least

788
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: a year before my son, my son, Sebastiano Sonny was

789
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: born in March of eighty eight, I'm sorry, eighty nine,

790
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: and I filmed Goodfellas in May of eighty nine. And

791
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 2: here's an interesting story. So Jeanette and I were pregnant

792
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: and she didn't want to have a baby in New

793
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: York City, and you know, all my Italian relatives were

794
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: scaring her in New Jersey. So we moved out to

795
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: LA And it was a good time to do that

796
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: because I had work and I wanted to move to

797
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: LA anyway, because that's the next best place to go

798
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: for your career. So I was on Kate Now. The

799
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: very last day of shooting Kate Nolly last night was

800
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: a Thursday night, and we shoot in front of a

801
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: live audience at the Ed Sullivan Theater, which is now

802
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: the David Letterman Theater. They want to go to, Okay,

803
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: whatever it's called now, it's the at Sullivan Theater. Man,

804
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: it's where the Beatles were in Elvis and.

805
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: Everybody, yeah, legendary.

806
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so we done filming Thursday night. Friday is

807
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day. If you know anything about New York City,

808
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day closes down and there's trunks all over

809
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: the place, you know. And I have a two thirty

810
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: flight out of JFK because my son is due to

811
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: be born that next Monday. So it's Friday morning. I

812
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: wait for my two thirty flight to go back to

813
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: LA to help out my son's birth. I get a

814
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: call from my agents, you have a callback for Scorsese

815
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: and Rockefeller Center at twelve thirty for Goodfellas. So I

816
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: called my wife and I said, I hope the babies

817
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: laid because I would be okay. So, now here's the

818
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: funny part. At that time, Scorsese was hiring for the

819
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: small roles like I got real mob guys or cops

820
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: who chased real mob guys. So we all had the

821
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: same scene to read, and he if he liked you,

822
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: he would just pick a roll for you, you know.

823
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

824
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: So I walk into the outer casting office and there

825
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: and these guys sitting there with silver sweatsuits and patent

826
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: leather sneakers, and they look at me and they go, hey,

827
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: what are you reading for. I go, I got the

828
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: science for Sonny Bamboo. He goes, you'll know him. I go, no,

829
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't know him. He goes, I know him. You

830
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: don't look not like him. I said, well that's what

831
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: the gamy. He goes, all right, God bless you kid. Right.

832
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: So I'm not nervous enough. Now. I'd only been into

833
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: business a few years, and I was used to doing

834
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: what I did in the business world, which was to

835
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: try and make the meeting mine. You know, then how

836
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: would I make the meeting? Mind it's a commercial addition

837
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: to a little something extra or whatever. So I'm going

838
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: in the sea scorsesey, I'm like, hell, am I going

839
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: to do that? Right? Well, it dawned, doesn't it that

840
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: my grandfather last name is the exact same spelling without

841
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: the s scot Ace. Okay, So I go in and

842
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: I make up a story for Scorsese. He goes, you

843
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: want to? I said, before we read, I need to

844
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: ask you if we're related, because I said to my grandfather,

845
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: Dana Tho Scorta as I said, I'm going to read

846
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 2: for the great director Martin Scorsese today, and my grandfather said, wow,

847
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: things way have a cousin a one time, we should

848
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: take the S out of the name. Scorsese goes, really,

849
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: really because we can't find our relatives. I'm going, oh,

850
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,959
Speaker 2: I'm screwed now. I made the whole thing up right.

851
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: So I go, uh uh, well, where are you from?

852
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: He goes, uh, We're from Sicily. I go, no fucking way,

853
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: We're not Sicilian. What are you? I go, well, we're Napolitans.

854
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: He goes, hey, you guys drink too early in the morning.

855
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 2: You want to do that? I go, yeah, let's do it.

856
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: I read the scene and I got a roll.

857
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

858
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: I love it.

859
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so you get this role. You get

860
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: beat up by de Niro and Ralio nearly fed to

861
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: a lion. How many actors can claim that? I mean

862
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: that incredible?

863
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: It's an iconic scene. Actually, yes, and actually here's here's

864
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about the shooting of it later. But

865
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, one of my good friends,

866
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: Jerry Gel he's also the guy who handles my website

867
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: and everything else, we were going to get some I

868
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: had to get some pictures for autographs, and I walk

869
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: into the local place here in Sherman Oaks and guy

870
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: looks at me and he goes, I said, yeah, you know,

871
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: of course I'm an actor coming for headshots, right. He goes, no, no, no, no,

872
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: and Jerry goes, he was in Goodfellows. I goes, you

873
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: weren't good He said, yeah, he said. I said, well,

874
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 2: I'm the bookie that turns him in and that they

875
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: throw to the lion. They tried to throw the lines.

876
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: He goes. He goes, you know, he goes, Henry Hill

877
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: before he he died, painted a whole bunch of scenes

878
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: from Goodfellas, I said, and he said, I think he

879
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: painted that scene right. So I go back to pick

880
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: up the pictures and he's got a photo of Henry

881
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: Hill's painting of my scene. Whoa, Now it looks like

882
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: a third grader did it? Okay? So I go online

883
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: and I find the original one, and I want to

884
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: take a chance, but I can turn around. I've got

885
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: the original Henry Hill painter of that scene, you know,

886
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: here in in my office.

887
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: That rules. Wow.

888
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: So that's how iconic the scene was, you know, yes, so,

889
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: But in the meantime it's funny because I get you know,

890
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we're filming in Brooklyn in Park Slope at

891
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: like two in the morning. You know, I get in

892
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 2: the car and De Niro goes, hey, doing I'm Robert,

893
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm Bobby de Narrow. I go, yeah, I know, he

894
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 2: goes So. I started telling that story and my kid

895
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: after my kid was one year son, he was one

896
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 2: years old, he's I go through the narrow. He goes so.

897
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: And so there was a really embarrassing part, you know,

898
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: when they're punching me, you know, and I have to

899
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: sell the punch, you know, to sell to make the

900
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: stunt work. So they're filming from the front windshield, windshields out,

901
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: they're filming and they're hitting me, and I got to

902
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: go back, and I got to go back like this, Well,

903
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: when you do a violent action at the time, I

904
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: was studying martial arts, you know, there's sound with the

905
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: violent action. Well I couldn't KII and I was like, god,

906
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: you know, I couldn't. Well, I go back to friggin

907
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: third grade. They go action and I go like this,

908
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: They go cut. The sound man comes over, he goes,

909
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: you don't have to put that, we can do it later.

910
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh fuck, I'm so oh my god, you know,

911
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: and so that was part of it. And I was

912
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: talking to Ray, and here's interesting thing.

913
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: Right around that time, rain Man came out, okay, and

914
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know, but Rayleiota did a

915
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 4: wonderful movie with Tom Holts.

916
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 2: Called Dominic and Eugene. Yes, okay, it's almost the same

917
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: sort of thing, him taking care of his you know,

918
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: his brother who's handicapped. Tom Hols plays the handicapped brother.

919
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: Such a superior movie to rain Man in that way.

920
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting here with Ray, it's three o'clock in

921
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: the morning or whatever. I go, Ray, what's man? You know?

922
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: Dominic and Eugene was such a better movie. And you

923
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: know Dan rain Man, He goes, are you kidding me?

924
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: He's Tom Cruise, Dustin Hoffman, Ray Liota, Tom Mollis. I said, okay,

925
00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 2: I get it, never mind, but yeah it was. And

926
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: Ray grew up only a few miles away from me too,

927
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: some New Jersey, I think. And I grew up in Boomton,

928
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 2: New Jersey. And although if you live in Boomton, you

929
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: say bouton.

930
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, bten So another one of your roles that

931
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: I that I really just wanted to point out you

932
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: were a wrestling coach on Sex and the City. In

933
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: my opinion, one of the I'm a big Sex in

934
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: the City fan. One of the best episodes my mother

935
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: board myself and if anyone's listening, it's the one where

936
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: Carrie breaks her laptop and just to get a new one.

937
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: But but Peter, you were the wrestling coach. You got

938
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: to be one of Samantha's boyfriends. I mean, what a

939
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: great role to get.

940
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: That was a great role. And actually the executive producer

941
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: is an old friend of mine. I knew him from

942
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: New York when he was a performance artist in a

943
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: stand up comic. He had nothing going on, and he

944
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 2: came out here and became a great writer on Murphy

945
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: Brown and then he ended up running Sex in the City.

946
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: Michael Patrick King.

947
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: I just talked to him the other day. It's incredible.

948
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 2: Oh, Michael's great. Michael and I go away, Michael's at

949
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: my wedding.

950
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: Wow, oh my god.

951
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: When he was still living in New York in a

952
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 2: place called the Doorway to Hell. Yeah, this little apartment,

953
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, and Michael calls me, he goes, hey, how'd

954
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: you like to do five sex scenes with Kim Cattrell.

955
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: I said, naw, I'm going to wash my hair.

956
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm busy.

957
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: I said to you, if you fly me out, yeah,

958
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: I'll do it right. So, and I think it was

959
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: supposed to go maybe for another couple of episodes. I

960
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 2: would love to have done it like that, But so

961
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: the the idea was that towards the end there she

962
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: was starting to have trouble climaxing right, And so they

963
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: had these They had a sort of a Comma Sutra

964
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: sheet or something. And Michael knew because Michael and I

965
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 2: had done an improv workshop together where I had lifted

966
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: him up over my head like this, because I wrestled

967
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: in high school and in college, is you know, And

968
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: so he thought of me right away, and he just

969
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: called and offered me to roll. So we're looking at

970
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: all these positions and stuff like this, and it happened

971
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: to be my forty eighth birthday. And Kim looks at

972
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: me and says, thank you for doing it. She goes,

973
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe some of the guys they get in here. Sometimes.

974
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: She goes, I'm so happy to have a real actor.

975
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. I said, Kim, it's my birthday and

976
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 2: I can't think of anything better than the bank five times,

977
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 2: you know.

978
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, She goes, it's your birthday.

979
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, but this is the last scene. I

980
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: didn't say anything. Done. Now, I don't want to hear

981
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: any crap about right, blah blah blah. So I get done.

982
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: I go back to my dressing room and put my

983
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 2: clothes on. Right, I get out. It was a silver

984
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 2: cup or something out in Queens. I'm going to my

985
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: car to get brought back into the city and this

986
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: pa starts running towards me. She had sent out for

987
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: a carvel birthday cake for med amount of time.

988
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, I love that.

989
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that happened that was really

990
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 2: funny was during the five scenes or four scenes where

991
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 2: ever the hell it was so Kim, because she does

992
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: all the sex stuff, has like a cup for her

993
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 2: leading men. It's like a brack cup, so appliable, it's

994
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: not it's totally hard, and it's unclear straps so you

995
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: can't see, you know. So there was one time where

996
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 2: we're kind of going at it and the cup pops

997
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 2: in and pops out. She goes, oh, and I said,

998
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 2: that wasn't me, that was the cup. You know, she goes, well,

999
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: maybe I liked it. I go, well, I hope you do,

1000
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: because we got another four hours of this shit and

1001
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: we kind of stayed friends, were in touch once in

1002
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: a while, and there was an article actually out about

1003
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: the top one hundred guys she had six with and

1004
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 2: I made it in dinner under fifty I think something

1005
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: like that. But it was great. It was great fun,

1006
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: and I wish it had lasted more because she was

1007
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: great and I got to the show right around you

1008
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: know shows when I did Kate Now, it happened to

1009
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: when shows go on for a while sometimes camps sort

1010
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: of developed. I don't know why. Maybe some of the

1011
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: actresses or actors want more lines. Could be anything political

1012
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: or set wise or whatever it is money I but

1013
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: camps developed, you know, same thing. I'm Kate Nelly. Susan

1014
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: and Jane were best friends when they started the show.

1015
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: When I finished the show with them, they were friends,

1016
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: but they weren't as close as they were in the beginning.

1017
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: And I don't think anything to do with either of them.

1018
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: I think it's some people came in to run the

1019
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: show that Jane didn't like, and Susan was like always happy,

1020
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: So it's gonna work out. It's gonna work out, you

1021
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: know whatever. But camps developed, and in I sense that

1022
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: when I got to Sex and the City too, you know,

1023
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: so that's all right. My camp had Kim Coatrell.

1024
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: And it hey not bad places to be.

1025
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1026
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Peter, this has been so much fun. So

1027
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: in Gilmore Girls, Coprock is referenced when Laura, the main character,

1028
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: she's gonna have a Coprock marathon with her daughter Rory,

1029
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: and she brags that she has all the episodes on tape.

1030
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: And I was curious, you know, you have you have

1031
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: three sons. Is there like a show or something that

1032
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: you like to watch with your kids that maybe when

1033
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: they were growing up you would watch on a marathon

1034
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: something like that.

1035
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we never did any marathon stuff because boys

1036
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: were always so busy, you know. Yeah, I mean we

1037
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, special events, special movies and things like that.

1038
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: In fact, there's a movie I just sent to a

1039
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: friend of mine just has a little baby. He was

1040
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: my next door neighbor and now he moved to New York.

1041
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: There was a beautiful movie. Well, my kids used to

1042
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: love Totuo.

1043
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah, all right.

1044
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever watched the whole thing, you know.

1045
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: But I have a granddaughter now, she's fourteen months old.

1046
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: But there's this little movie. It's called The Snowman. It

1047
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: was a short and it's an Academy Award nominated short

1048
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: from Canada.

1049
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about, you know what,

1050
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: the beautiful.

1051
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no view dialogue, just an amazing, amazing journey and that.

1052
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: And I just sent it to this guy next door

1053
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: who had the who has this little boy? And uh

1054
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: and I give it to people who, you know, when

1055
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: when I first have their kids, because it's a wonderful

1056
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: first movie, even if they can't speak, it's just the

1057
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: images and the sound is wonderful. But I don't remember,

1058
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: because you know what, there were be times when I'd

1059
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: sit down with the boys. Oh, you got to see

1060
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: this movie. It's a mad, mad, mad mad world. They're like,

1061
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: what the hell is it? Out of here? Right? Or

1062
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: you know anything? You know, even Young Frank is that

1063
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: they all go back to now they're like that, oh

1064
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: Young frank'sty Oh that I go. Yeah, now, you know.

1065
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: I could put you on early Yeah, Oh my god,

1066
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Uh. Peter, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your time today. This has been so much fun, and

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Speaker 1: everyone cop rocks on YouTube. I hope everybody listening goes

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Speaker 1: and watches it. It's truly a magnificent pro and I'm

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Speaker 1: so grateful that you made it and you were part

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Speaker 1: of it. It's just it's it's incredible. It should have

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Speaker 1: gone for many seasons.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think you can still get that whole

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Speaker 2: the whole collection of the episodes on shout Factory, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I think, but yeah, yeah, And most of the YouTube

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Speaker 2: stuff is all the singing.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that you know that there's much of

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Speaker 2: the acting on there, but there's some of the acting

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Speaker 2: in the singing, like we were talking about, But it's there,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's pretty funny to watch. And you can

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Speaker 2: see why the show went down because when it worked,

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Speaker 2: it worked really well. When it didn't work, it ted,

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Speaker 2: you know, tanked, you know, so, but it was And

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Speaker 2: Steven said it best. He said, I'm proud that I

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Speaker 2: did it. He goes, it was the most creative thing

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Speaker 2: I've ever done. He goes, I don't think I'd want

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Speaker 2: to do it again.

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Speaker 1: So wow, thanks so much. Hope you have a great

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Speaker 1: rest of your day.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You two. It was great, so much.

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Speaker 3: Dot everybody, and I'll forget.

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Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at i Am all In podcast,

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Speaker 1: and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com