WEBVTT - "Cars" w/ Francesca D'Uva 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:24.079 Okay. Podcast starts now. Hello all and welcome to Stradio lab. Um. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.840 I have nothing incredible to say after that. I've been 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.600 critiqued to hell for my rifts up top, so so 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.600 now I'm so self conscious that I can't speak. Um. Wait, 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.120 I was let I was intentionally because I have been 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.560 critical in the past, letting you, letting you do your intro. 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.080 Do you see how damaged we both are? You know? No, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.320 we are both essentially trauma. We both have PTSD from 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.919 our own from living in our own bodies, from our 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:56.000 own intro section of our podcast specifically, um, which you know, 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.800 it's so sad to see that happen in real time. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.760 I know people can go back to the early apps 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:07.080 and hear us bold, you know, unencumbered, self confident, and 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.400 now they'll come and they'll just hear the blank, dead 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.560 air of our trauma. Well, I'm just like, what more 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.360 is there to say? I do think often, Oh, you're 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:22.720 having one of those weeks. No, no, but I'm like, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.880 here's what I struggle with, and this is you know, uh, 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.160 once again our favorite behind the scenes moment talking about 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.920 the podcast want to past? Yes, I'm like, who is 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.000 is am I speaking? To a listener that has been 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.560 listening the whole time, so they like get every little 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.520 reference and like totally get what we're um, you know, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.720 like sorry, I'll cut the like no, keep the like 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.000 it's honest, it's raw. Okay, fine. Am I talking to 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.320 like a long time listener where I don't have to 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.640 be self conscious if I sound stupid because they know 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.040 that that sometimes we sound stupid. Am I talk to? 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:01.640 When you listener, I have to win over? Am I 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.720 talking to Let's say, a listener who has only listened 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.520 to like the three most high profile guests who have 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.680 ever had and is now, um, is now like okay, 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.840 I like this podcast, babe, I'll start listening weekly and 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:20.160 suddenly I immediately alienate them by literally exactly what I'm 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.080 doing now, for instance. So I think that is That 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:24.800 is why in the beginning it was so clear. It 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:29.480 was like we were introducing ourselves, whereas now it's like, 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.560 m what is this? Yeah, No, I think that's really smart. 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.440 I tend to lean on the side of, you know, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.000 assume they know, just because it's it's out there, and 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:44.960 you know, if they don't know, that's on them, not 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.960 on me. Um. If you know you know, and many 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.080 are saying that, and so I feel like that is 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.239 the approach I take. And if they feel like doing 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.120 the work and doing the research, they can go back 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.880 and and if they're new listener, I think the confidence 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.680 of saying we know who we are and we don't 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.120 need to introduce ourselves to you that um. I mean, 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.519 it would be crazy if like you know, Ellen or 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.919 Larry King or Oprah got on their chair every day 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.200 and reintroduced themselves to their entire audience. And we're kind 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:20.880 of like, so like the way the show is kind 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.600 of gonna work is like I'm gonna have some guests 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.400 and like sometimes it's serious, sometimes it's funny, like something 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:31.480 like yeah, and like you know, I am Oprah. I mean, 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.040 I do love that. I think Oprah should start every 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:38.760 show with like, so I'm Oprah. I was like big 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.760 for a while, Like so I was small for a while, 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.880 like in Chicago, and then well then I was really 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.720 big and and then I kind of stepped away from 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.080 it because we like too much. And now I'm just 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.200 sort of like it's sort of an if you know, 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.760 you know type of thing. I guess, right, And then 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.320 she's like I'm in my garden. That's kind of you know, 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.160 it's like kind of part of my thing is that 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.200 I like grow vegetables, but it's not it's you know, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.080 it's not like a big deal, like I don't alienate anyone, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.400 but I do grow vegetables and this is a giant tomato. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.920 But you know, anyway, our guest is, uh, you know, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:13.080 Mohammed been someone that would be cool. I think for Oprah, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.480 I think that'd be cool if she suddenly switched to 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.720 the cadence of a comedy podcaster. I think a lot 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.320 of them could benefit from that. I think Ellen that 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.720 would have saved Ellen if she had, you know, shifted 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.880 to sort of like radical transparency and not not an apology, 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.440 but sort of like, um, I guess my deal is like, um, 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.880 I'm well, I'm like funny, but I'm like, you know, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.720 when you're like a comedian and then you're trying into 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.240 like a multi millionaire, you're kind of become crazy, and 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:40.920 so I guess that's kind of where I'm at right now. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.800 Does that make any sense? And then she's always like 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.960 talking to her audiences like, am I being crazy right now? 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:49.200 Oh my god, you guys, this is so embarrassing. I mean, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.479 that would be the most humanizing thing in the whole 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.200 wide world. Who is the But here's the thing though, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:59.680 then people who do do that, who are famous, are like, well, 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.680 you can Chrissy te again and you can fake it. 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.760 I think Chrissy can fakes it, and I think, like, 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.039 you know, Jennifer Lawrence used to fake it a little bit, 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.680 Jennifer Lawrence. Well, that's the thing you can't. And this 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.760 is why celebrities are the most oppressed people is because 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.960 you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. If 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:19.960 you accept that you're glamorous movie star and act as such, 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.560 then you are alienating and if you try to be 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.320 relatable then everyone wants to actually murder you on the street. Well, 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.760 and I think the whole point is that one, if 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.800 you're faking humble and normal, you deserve to be murdered 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.920 on the street. There I said it. I'm using my 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.320 platform for good. Um. I do think the best thing 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.560 if you're a celebrity and you're seeking, you know, how 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.800 do I interact with the world. You know, it's just 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.839 sort of like just be sincere and not project sincerity, 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.360 just like sort of do what you want to do. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.479 You know what I mean, So who does that? In 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.760 your opinion? Well, and I have an answer, actually, Ben Affleck, 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.440 I mean, I guess is that intentional? Though? I think 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.640 he just lives his life in his photographs. That's what 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.160 I mean. I think that's the way to do it. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:07.680 You just have to sort of do what you're gonna 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:11.640 do and assume that photos be taken. Oh sure, sure, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.200 but I guess I mean, like, yeah, so you're just 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.800 rejecting the idea of a curated personal back together. You're like, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.679 no one should So you think no celebrities should have podcast, 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.200 No celebrities should have talk show. No, you're you're taking 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.120 you're twisting my words. You're using my words against me 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.599 in a way that I'm not. But like, would you 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.919 like it if Ben Affleck had his exact personality and 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.719 had a talk show and his whole thing was like 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:38.480 he was kind of drunk and like eating munchkins. I mean, 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.080 and then like, I mean, I guess what comment he'd 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.840 be like do you want I got an extra iced coffee? 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.800 That would actually change the entire talk show format? And 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:51.080 I think, actually, would it like be really nice? I 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.760 have to fully one, like you set that up as 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.760 like this is an insane thing that you're supposed to 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.640 like recoil at and you're saying, and I'm like this, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.719 actually he works. No, I actually think ben Affleck should 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:08.480 replace Ellen done. I mean it would be a because 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.200 that is like every day he would sort of be like, 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.560 well here's like. It wouldn't be like, so do you 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.000 hear about this Trump guy. It would be like it 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.080 would be more like, um, I today don't feel like 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.120 doing anything and I don't really know why. And it 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:28.520 would and it would be like mmm, okay, now I'm listening. Yeah, 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.040 And then j Lo is in the audience. She does. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.280 She leaves the dancing kind of a way. It just 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:40.200 covered in Sarobski crystals, pouring champagne for the guests, pouring champagne. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.240 And you can blame her, she supports, who can blame whoever. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.360 I'll say this, and I've said it before and I'm 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.400 not the first to say it. They both look the 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.480 best they've ever looked. They both the ben Affleck looks 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.400 the best he's ever looked. Okay, I'll take it. I'll 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:00.880 say a heart agree great. I'm I don't. I don't 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.400 really want to get into it, but the way that celebrities. 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.720 I'm starting to like notice more how celebrities age and 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.240 like a not chill way where I'm like, wait, what 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:17.280 are they doing? Are you talking about the friends reunion? Um? No, 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.720 I'm not, because you know, I'm not a friend's stand 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.680 as as we okay, okay, and we don't and actually 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.160 we don't have to because that would be cruel. But 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.640 that let's just say, my eyes popped out of my 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.560 skull when I saw the trailer for it? Is it rough? Well, 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.320 the women look great and the men not so much. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.079 But isn't that like men are like supposed to not 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:44.679 look Okay? Once again, I don't I support men and 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.560 I don't want to I and I support them more 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:54.200 than women. But but I think there's a certain noncommittal 0:08:55.400 --> 0:09:01.040 I think. I think women in Hollywood are so just 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:08.880 just so completely uh what's the word um attacked, Like 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.080 so so in a bind that there's no way like 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.880 they essentially have to constantly be doing procedures in order 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.880 to maintain in order to like project that they're even human, 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.760 whereas men, I think half act in a way like 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.360 I think I think a lot of what a lot 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.240 of men who who age weirdly in Hollywood. It's because 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.719 it's not it's not this thing that they're committed to 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.600 seven like the women are. They're just kind of like 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.280 letting themselves go. And then they're like, well, I guess 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:38.840 I'll have like a you know, I guess I'll like 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.839 stretch out my cheeks a little bit, and then it 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.680 looked weird. You know, this is I think this goes 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.400 back actually to the earlier conversation about like projecting a 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.400 certain self, where like I think women obviously have it 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:56.880 insanely harder and have to like look until they're seventy um, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.720 but at least the assignment is clear. For men, it's 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.840 like like you have to be like, well, I don't 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.000 care actually how I look, but I have to look 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.400 kind of good the whole time, and I have to 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:12.520 like project a weird like casual effortless like aging man, 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.680 and it's like, what is that. Well, it's also like, 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.600 I mean, much like with women, when it looks like 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.120 they are trying too hard, it's uncool with men if 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.679 they're trying to hard. It also it's like emasculating because 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:28.640 then it's like, oh, oh, you so clearly got a facelift. Yeah, 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.720 what do you what? Are you gay? Yeah? You seem 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:38.439 gay because of your hot ass type facelift. Um. Now, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.720 our next guest has gotten so much cosmetic surgery that 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:46.880 she's pretty much unrecognizable. Yeah, she her former self is gone, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.960 but the new hair is snatched for the damn gods. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:55.599 She really is snatched for the gods. So please, um, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.800 you know, put your paws up for the one in 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:09.840 a Francesca. Whoa, whoa, who come on, come on, Frantise, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.959 come on, coming in like a fire truck. Hello. Hello. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.880 Before we started, I was feeling I feel a little bit, 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.520 uh like shy and quiet. Usually it's kind of my 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.960 big thing that I tell people when I'm drunk, and 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.560 you are drunk right now, Just to be clear, I'm not. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.559 It's one thirty. You guys didn't mention that. Actually, oh 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.440 that's right. We were literally going to talk about how 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.719 we're recording the earliest we've ever recorded it essentially morning. Yeah, 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.080 we are tired, we are waking up. I'm literally having 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.760 a coffee. I mean yeah, this is a morning episode. Okay, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.640 So wait, Francisco, what were you saying? Oh I was 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.480 going to say that, Um, sometimes I have a hard 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.680 time bringing the energy immediately. So something I did on 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.040 stage was like I would force myself to go out 0:11:55.160 --> 0:12:00.880 going like and it would kind of bring me up 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.559 inside the comedians I did today. Wait, here's a very 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.160 kind of radio lab question. Where do you stand on 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:12.719 introvert versus extrovert discourse? That's an interesting question because for 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.640 a while I really resented the fact that everyone was like, oh, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.040 you're an extrovert, Like, to me, that's a disc right, Oh, 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.360 people would say that you're an extract. Well, it's it's 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.600 it's coded to be like you're dumb people to like, 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.440 if you're saying you're shot, if you're saying you see 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.959 yourself as shy and that you have stage right and stuff, 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.720 that maybe makes me think, oh, you're an introvert. Totally totally. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.640 I think that it's like one of those things of 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:43.800 like shyness, isn't introversion which a lot of people don't write, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.640 isn't that a thing? Totally? Like? I mean, I in 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.200 my mind, okay, I can't now I'm like earnestly talking 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.600 about and my mind is like you get energy from 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.959 being alone, and extroverts you get energy from other people, 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.199 right right, right? I think I'm half in half, I 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.280 would fully agree. I think I'm verse yes over yeah, 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.200 I would say I'm an extrovert if I can choose 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.680 hand pick the people. M and and you know what 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.800 I've been having recently as the world opens up? How 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.040 many times take a shot every time someone says when 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:17.719 the world opens up, um um. I've like I can 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.679 hang out with people for like three hours. But then 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.839 I started to get like really tired all of a 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.160 sudden in a way that I can't It is very 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.679 new and I don't know what become introverted. And I 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.240 literally can't like talk anymore, like I'll just sort of 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:36.760 like run out of stuff. I feel your body feels 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.560 tired here. My body feels tired. My eyes like I 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.400 feel myself starting to like get droopy, and I'm like, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.480 I like start yawning, and I'm like, I gotta get 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.679 out of here before I like fall asleep at this 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.360 gathering this park hang like and it was weird. I 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.880 went to shout out Amy Zimmer's um park day hanging. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:59.040 George was there. I was invited, but I didn't go. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.800 I just want to I of I love purposefully disrespecting 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.240 our one friend Nam is, and why didn't you go? 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.200 Did you think it was not worth it or well, 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.520 I was actually taking care of my grandpa, New Jersey. Okay, 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.800 Well so yeah, my family's had a hard year and 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.160 you and you Okay, so you're choosing family over chosen family. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.560 That's interesting. Yeah, blood is thick, So you're straight kind 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.200 of antiquier in ways that in that way, I am 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.640 actually and that you care about your family, yeah, and 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.480 that I love my family and I don't have a 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:37.600 chosen family, have a chosen family. As you were invited 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:39.480 to Amy's part, I mean, I'm sure she won't be 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.680 inviting you in the future after you disrespected her in 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.880 this way. I think I want to clear for that. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.640 I said that because I think I don't want the 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.000 audience to be like, oh, this is awkward. These people 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.400 went to this birthday party that the guest wasn't even 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:57.440 invited to, but I was, and now suddenly it's about you. Yeah. No, 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.440 I love that you gave us permission to always fully 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.120 talk about the party and not have to couch it 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.400 and like sorry, sorry, sorry, right right right, yeah, so 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.000 go ahead. Um, So, anyway, I was having a blast, 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.320 I was having fun and then you know, around three 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.880 hours in, I'm talking to a friend and I was like, well, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.360 I I do have to go, and running out of 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.480 things to talk about. But I but it's weird because 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.440 you can't be like I'm tired because it's like five pm. 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.240 But that's kind of what I was like. I did 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:23.920 say like, I think I'm gonna go because I'm tired, 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.440 and then and then I felt kind of crazy. I 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.640 did feel you, And I don't want to make you 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.480 more aware of this than you you are, but it 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.600 did feel sudden when you just like we're like and 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:40.640 I'm done, got up and just biked away. I really 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.400 was crashing and it was so I don't get it, 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.320 but it happened. And I'm also I'm a real like 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.880 late hanger. I love to stay till the end, and 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.520 so I'm trying to maybe challenge that in myself and 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.360 be like, well, why do you have to stay till 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.480 the end? Like maybe just get up and go. No 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.600 one cares, It's fine. That's interesting because I feel like 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.400 a party that is at like two o'clock, you could 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.200 stay till the end if it goes to like eight o'clock. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.640 It's interesting that you choose a daytime event to leave 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.560 or like kind of before you want. And interestingly I 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.040 did stay until the very end. Really, please tell me 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.040 what time did it go. It went until I would 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.560 say like seven maybe six, So I literally left like 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:28.640 thirty minutes before the end. Uh yeah, I mean to me, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.360 it was another after you left, I mean, doors opened up. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.720 It was a completely different thing. People could talk about 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.200 things they couldn't talk about when you were there. Of everyone, 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.640 I would say, kind of exhaled. People were doing folk 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.040 dances while music. George, I know what you're talking about. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.040 That thing that happens when I know, I know he 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.440 will know my definition. He can't know what it's like it, 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.760 but everyone does talk. Well, I don't know what it's like. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.240 I'm not there, but I do know that there's a 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.800 culture of fear when I am there. Yes, and yes, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.160 we'll imagine the opposite of that. Yeah, it's hard for 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.680 me to imagine it, but I can see it. No, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.520 everyone was doing In fact, dance is much like that 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.600 famous Matisse painting where their arms are kind of it 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.600 became Midsummer kind movie. It's very It was actually exactly 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:21.600 like Midsummer. Someone was murdered, well, someone was sacrifice as 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.600 they should be, as they should be. A god, Francesco. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.520 Once again, we're not letting our guests speak, and I'm 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:32.920 sorry about that. I'm sorry we're silencing you a queer woman. Wait, 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:39.760 what did you just call me? Wow? I was scary, Actually, 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.520 like I was scary. I saw the fear in your 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:47.359 eyem Really sorry, I'm really sorry. Yeah that's not okay. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.080 I mean, yeah, well, what I was going to say 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.359 was I forget what I was going to say, something 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.359 about seeing George at an event on at a different birthday, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.199 and I just want to make the record clear I 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.200 was invited to that event. I just did. Oh my god, 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.720 the symmetry. I mean, I'm the only loser going to 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.000 every every time I get an invite, I'm like, yeah, 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:11.640 I'll be there, George. You're a little overexposed really at everything. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.600 The other day, I was planning something, just a very 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.920 simple drinks with a college friend and I was like acting. 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.000 I was like, should we invite so and so, who 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:21.320 I know from a different part of my life, you 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.600 would love them? And I ended up trying to invite 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.639 like four people and it's like, just calm down, I 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.879 really do that. I really can relate to that. And 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.679 it's always a mistake. I don't know what that is. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.639 It's like self sabotage. It's like not wanting to have 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.199 a good Jome. I think it's optimistic too. You're like, 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.920 why can't these people all get along? Like right? It's 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.920 stress It always always stressful. Yeah, we'll wait. Francesca, how 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.080 was seeing George at that party? I felt like you 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.280 had a Oh no, I was just I remember what 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.040 I was gonna say. I was gonna say I told 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.480 George because I actually had not really met George before that, 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.520 before this past Sunday um and I did say I'm 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.280 going to be on your podcast, and I haven't been 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.560 on that many podcasts, and I have this feeling like 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.480 I don't have the gift of other podcast guests where 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.600 you can just I can just kind of like talk 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.919 for an indefinite amount of time about anything and like 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.919 be so happy to be talking about it, or like, 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.800 I don't you know what I'm like that that kind 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.679 of like yes, yes, yes, yes, oh my god, and 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.880 then yes, yes, yes I do know. We are both 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.919 were on cocaine, right, And that wasn't a dish to 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.560 you guys. It was more of a guess, not the host. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.320 It's like a different energy, but you're I think a 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.560 different energy is like you know, and sort of in 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.359 the same way. When we started this podcast as podcast host, 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.680 we were sort of like, well, we're not the typical 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.520 podcast host. I don't feel I feel like, you know, 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:53.560 we are very different from each other. We are um, 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.200 you know, we're not going for like sort of the 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.359 best friend thing. We are in kinrect coworkers and I 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.280 like to keep our distance and stop talking. Stop talking, 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:08.960 you're digging yourself in a hole. But you know, then 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.639 we found that um doing something a little different was 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.439 actually kind of fun. M Georgia was And that's so 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.159 difficult to prevent because you know, naturally, you'd think two 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.840 people would get closer, um and have more intimacy when 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.840 they're working together every week for over a year. But 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.240 we've done such a good job of maintaining an emotional distance, 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.480 and in fact, you know, at Amy Zimmer's birthday party, 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.880 shot out to Amy Zimmer, George took a real long 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.040 time to get over to say hi to me. I actually, 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.720 did you know what I was thinking about? And maybe 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.040 I'll save this for our next earnestness bonanza. But I 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.119 did have a feeling where I was like, it feels nice, 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:49.920 too sorry to do this, but almost like a family 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.439 member to not feel the need, like when we're in 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.920 the same space to I no longer feel the need 0:20:55.440 --> 0:21:02.120 to like perform in anyway or like essentially acknowledgeing, essentially 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.120 walk over. Do you know what I mean? I was like, 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:08.680 it's beautifully, it's kind of very liberating and nice. Yeah, 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.800 it's beautiful. It's funny. It's also funny just in Pandemic 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:15.200 and Frantisca. I'm so sorry that we are talking about ourselves. Um, 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:20.160 but I haven't. I haven't talked to either of you 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:21.920 in like a year, so I'm happy to can see 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:23.520 This is what I mean about us being bad podcast 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.199 host but it's kind of fun sometimes. But this is 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:33.000 the Ben Afflete different. It's different, but it's funny also 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.920 seeing you, George, because it's like I haven't like a 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.919 lot of these people I have not spoken to, like 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.600 maybe I've spoken to them once in the last year 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.840 and two months, and it's like we've spoken every week 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.239 for like the whole time, and it's so funny that 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.160 we like know so much about each other and can 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.320 just sort of like yeah, yeah, yeah, I get what 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.400 your deal is. I'm gonna talk to these people. It's 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:57.879 also like I am never gonna act like I am 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.679 never going to ask you at an in person event 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:05.280 what's up? Like I literally know everything happening in your life, 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.520 so we can we can talk about like something, we 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.720 can talk about a topic, but we're never going to 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.840 be catching up no god, which is like, which is 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.800 how every conversation starts. So when you don't have that excuse, 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:22.399