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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Frederick Wodard with us. This book is called Developing

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Speaker 2: Your Supernatural Awareness and Doctor, where do people get your book?

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Speaker 3: And they can get it anywhere. They can get it

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Speaker 3: through sixth Books or they could get it at Amazon

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Speaker 3: or any local bookstore.

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Speaker 2: It's a great read. By the way, I just wanted

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Speaker 2: to could congratulate you on that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 2: What would you recommend to people who are on the

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Speaker 2: fence with their psychic awareness, their paranormal awareness. They don't

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Speaker 2: know quite what to do to understand it. What's the

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Speaker 2: best way for them to get into this?

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Speaker 3: I would say it's the simplest is to keep it realistic,

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Speaker 3: like make those situations so you have an inner experience.

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Speaker 3: It's something in the external world. It takes place and

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Speaker 3: that validates your experience. If you don't have that, then

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Speaker 3: you're making stuff up.

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Speaker 2: Do you find that hypnosis augments their awareness or not?

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Speaker 3: It can? It can with some people.

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Speaker 2: How difficult is it to hypnotize somebody? Is everybody able

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Speaker 2: to get hypnotized? Ors that take a while.

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Speaker 3: Well, some people don't allow themselves to be hypnotized. I

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Speaker 3: remember I actually put it in my book, in my

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Speaker 3: perceptual hypnosis book, I had gone. I had been trained

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Speaker 3: by a lay hypnotist in California, and he was talking

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Speaker 3: about hand clasped. Close your hands. Imagine you can't open them.

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Speaker 3: You can't think about opening them, and they're not supposed

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Speaker 3: to open. And when I wasn't listening to him, I

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Speaker 3: was listening to myself. So when he was done, I

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Speaker 3: just opened up my hands. And so he looked at

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Speaker 3: me and he said, I have thirty witnesses. If you

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Speaker 3: close your eyes, listen to what I say, and you

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Speaker 3: can open your hands, I'll give you a million dollars.

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Speaker 3: And I did what he said, and I listened, and

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Speaker 3: I realized I can't open my hands. So when I

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Speaker 3: opened my eyes, my hands were still closed. And I

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Speaker 3: had realized he had given me a great power. He

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Speaker 3: said to me at that point, now you're in control.

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Speaker 2: I've always heard that under hypnosis people will not be

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Speaker 2: able to do what they don't want to do. Is

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Speaker 2: that true?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's true, that people won't do what they don't

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Speaker 3: want to do.

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Speaker 2: This is always talk of Manchurian candidates have been hypnotized

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Speaker 2: to do heinous things.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's not really that they would be able to

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Speaker 3: do those things anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes it a little easier for them.

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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, it's not it's not something that's done

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Speaker 3: to them, it's something they're doing for themselves.

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Speaker 2: The subtitle of your book, Developing your Supernatural Awareness is

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Speaker 2: connecting with an interactive universe. Tell us your thoughts about

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Speaker 2: that that phrase.

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Speaker 3: The interactive universe is the is all the things that

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Speaker 3: can take place that happen independent of every day five senses.

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Speaker 2: Does it? Does it make you wonder about the existence

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Speaker 2: of God in the universe because it's just amazing all

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Speaker 2: these things are happening out there.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, I think that. What I think is, first off,

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Speaker 3: you can't like really say, you know, what we know

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Speaker 3: as human beings is very limited. And for example, I

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Speaker 3: could imagine that a deity or something greater than us

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Speaker 3: that's out there could picture itself as Jesus or as

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Speaker 3: the Buddha and imagine sending the message that we need

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Speaker 3: to us in that way.

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Speaker 2: Did you find in your research, doctor that children were

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Speaker 2: more adaptable to supernatural and paranormal experiences rather than adults

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Speaker 2: or does it matter.

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Speaker 3: I didn't. I worked with mostly adults, so I've had

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Speaker 3: you a few children, and I've had adults that told

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Speaker 3: a lot of children. Although I do remember a book

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Speaker 3: around thirteen or fourteen, they start to forget their experiences,

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Speaker 3: but they were telling him their experiences prior to that.

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Speaker 2: How about age bracket of people and then the sex

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Speaker 2: male female, who has the wider acknowledgment of the paranormal.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't want to say,

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Speaker 2: A very individual thing, so it varies.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think it does. I think it could be

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Speaker 3: there could be men that are very gifted and women

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Speaker 2: What was that moment for you that convinced you this

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Speaker 2: is real, this stuff is happening. Was there that aha moment?

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Speaker 3: Well, I've had a few experiences, but they're not big,

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Speaker 3: huge experiences. Being in the library and conquered in the

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Speaker 3: about ready to give up. And one of those men's

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Speaker 3: check the land deeds. So I went to the Mormon

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Speaker 3: place and I ordered the land deeds, and sure enough,

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Speaker 3: to her son, Captain Amos Woodard. And I was in shock.

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Speaker 2: How does that happen?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, but that that that happened,

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Speaker 3: and it was it was validated. So to me, that

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Speaker 2: As your understanding of the supernatural in the universe changed

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Speaker 2: your perception of our more.

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Speaker 3: Open Yeah, I'm more open to things because of people's

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Speaker 3: experiences that they've shared with me that have transformed them.

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Speaker 2: You'll get all kinds of calls next hour, doctor, when

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Speaker 2: we open up the phone lines from people who probably

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Speaker 2: have experienced their own supernatural awareness, to people who are

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Speaker 2: questioning how it exists and the fact that it does.

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Speaker 2: Do you find that people generally are more spiritual than

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Speaker 2: the others who are not who have the experiences.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they're they're more they're more grounded, they're more uh,

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Speaker 3: they're more real with their experiences than people that are

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Speaker 3: people that are psychotic can't really validate their experiences.

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Speaker 2: What would you say in your career investigating the supernatural?

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Speaker 2: Outside of the laundrymat story you just told us, which

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Speaker 2: was amazing, what is one of the strangest stories you've

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Speaker 2: ever encountered? What would that be?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know strange. But I had a woman

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Speaker 3: she was a bartender, and she told me a story

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Speaker 3: that she had a thought that the woman's husband was

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Speaker 3: going to kill her, and like, several weeks later, it

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Speaker 3: never talked to them, the woman never told her anything,

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Speaker 3: and she never had any experience that could validate that.

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Speaker 2: And I have long said on this program, and I've

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Speaker 2: always believed that there are no coincidences, that things happen

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Speaker 2: for specific reasons and fate. And would I would believe

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Speaker 2: these supernatural occurrences. Yes, I agree the same way.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's like it's just I would say with her

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Speaker 3: it was to validate that that was real.

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Speaker 2: When somebody first comes to you as a patient, what

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Speaker 2: do they say to you with regards to the supernatural?

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Speaker 2: How do they bring it up?

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Speaker 3: Well, most people don't come to me for that as

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Speaker 3: their main purpose. They come for psychological reasons, and then

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Speaker 3: they talk about that stuff. I remember a guy one

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Speaker 3: he went to see his father who was dying, and

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Speaker 3: and he looked at his son and he said, my god.

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Speaker 3: my wife had two miscarriages.

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Speaker 2: You can't make up those kind of stories, doctors.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't, right, you can't make up those stories.

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Speaker 3: So those are the kind of things that I've have

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Speaker 3: made me really value you the whole experiences, and you know,

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Speaker 3: some of them are harder to validate. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: they're not real, but it's just harder to validate.

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Speaker 2: Some of these stories make the hair on your arms

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Speaker 2: pop up, don't they? Yeah, truly is remarkable. Do any

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Speaker 2: of your patients ever talk about demons or the devil

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Speaker 2: or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: I only had a couple of people tell me stories

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Speaker 3: like that, and they but they overcame them.

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Speaker 2: When you say they overcame them, what happened, Well, they.

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Speaker 3: Just put them to rest. Those things stopped. They eventually stopped.

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Speaker 2: Did did they need coaxing from you? Or this is

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Speaker 2: something they did on their own?

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Speaker 3: They did on their own and they told me about it,

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Speaker 3: and it was it was usually involving light, a protection

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Speaker 2: You've got eleven chapters in your book and it all

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Speaker 2: flows well. But is there one chapter that sticks out

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Speaker 2: the most for you?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Not really, They're all valid. Like the ethical chapter is

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Speaker 3: the one that I put in there that was probably

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Speaker 3: a really good, good one where it kind of talks about,

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Speaker 3: you know, being ethical and practical in a positive way

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Speaker 3: so that you don't like validate bad experiences or create

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Speaker 2: As you said, using your gifts responsibly. Right, that's important

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Speaker 2: because you know, do you find that there are some

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Speaker 2: people who are more powerful than others with their supernatural gifts?

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Speaker 3: Yes, there was a guy in that that chapter that

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Speaker 3: literally talked about going into crowds and taking energy from people.

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Speaker 3: And he said to me, you're going to tell me

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Speaker 3: that's wrong, but I can do it because they don't

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Speaker 3: protect themselves.

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Speaker 2: That's the media we call those psychic vampires.

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Speaker 1: By the way.

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Speaker 3: People who right, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Draw the energy from people, and some of them. I've

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Speaker 2: known a few. They don't know they're doing this.

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Speaker 3: I people do and some people don't.

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Speaker 2: I had a guy that I would run into him

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Speaker 2: at a hotel bar once a week. He lived in

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Speaker 2: the bar duck and there was never anybody around him.

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Speaker 2: I mean even when the place was busy, they were

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Speaker 2: always to one side of him, and he was like

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Speaker 2: always alone. And he called me up one day and

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Speaker 2: he said, George, come here for a second. And I

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Speaker 2: got to ask you a question, What's wrong with me?

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Speaker 2: And I said, what do you mean. He said, look

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Speaker 2: at this place. It's packed, but look at around me.

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Speaker 2: There's nobody here. There's nobody ever next to me. Nobody

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Speaker 2: comes up and says hi, Nobody talks to me. And

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Speaker 2: I told him, because I could feel that energy vibe

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Speaker 2: And I told him, and I said, there's something about

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Speaker 2: opposite of a magnet. And he said, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: A couple of weeks later, I ran into him again

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Speaker 2: and he had people all around him and and he

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Speaker 2: was smiling, and he said he holds his thumb up

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Speaker 2: and he said, I did what you told me, So

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Speaker 2: whatever I told him it worked.

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Speaker 3: For Yeah, that's good, that's really good.

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Speaker 2: But to make a long story short, he didn't know

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Speaker 2: that he was doing this to other people. And I

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Speaker 2: would guess most of them do not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of them don't. Some of it's just

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Speaker 3: normal everyday social stuff. They're just like pushing people away

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