WEBVTT - Border Patrol are Once Again *Not* Detaining People in the Open 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:14.400 With white with. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.160 Hello everyone. It's me James and I'm joined by Scharen 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.680 and Robert. Today we're going to be talking about the border, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:24.960 which is where the audio you heard at the start 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.920 was recorded yesterday. Hi Serene and Robert. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:30.120 Hi James. 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.760 Hello James, thank you, Robert, Thank you Serene. It's lovely 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.479 to have this form on introduction time. Okay. So yeah, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.479 we're gathered here to go to talk about the border. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.559 And the reason we are talking about the board it 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.919 is because border patrol are doing their thing, the thing 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.720 that they like to do tiemingly like on a quarterly 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.760 basis actually exactly three months after the last time, which 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.840 is to hold people out in the open in between 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.320 the two board defenses in Santi Sego, just about fifteen 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.520 minutes south of where I live. The it's probably worth 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.120 grounding this discussion in the various claims and counterclaims. So 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.360 there are about two hundred people in between the two 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.760 boarder fences right now. People I spoke to were from Azerbijan, 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:23.520 Turkmenistan and Zbekistan, Turkey, China, Vietnam, Hondoors, Guatemala. Yeah. Like 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.920 the reason that sometimes these lists of people sound like, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.720 you know, you're singing Washington bullets. Is because these are 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.880 all countries that we have destabilized in one way or another, 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.040 saying we qua the United States, not we as CAOL 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.360 zone media, we were spire to de stabilized regimes. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.480 We've only destabilized two or three countries. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.320 Yeah, and we're proud of it. Yeah we don't, Yeah, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.200 we don't. Uh, we don't hide it. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.280 But yeah, we took our shot at Canada, you know. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.680 Yeah, yeah, Well we've taken a good couple of swings 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.560 in a tamadoor. I think we land some punches, but 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.320 who knows, time will tell. So yeah, it's people from 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.520 like I think often the migration is constructed as quite 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.320 unquote Mexican, which is definitely not the case. I spoke 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.760 to one family from Mexico yesterday. But like, even if 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.160 you look at border patrol statistics, about four thousand out 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.959 of fifteen thousand people apprehended in the San Diego sector 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.079 in July of this year of Mexican nationality. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.600 That's lawer than I would assume to be honest. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.480 Yeah, I mean it's just a number of things, right, Like, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.679 it's these countries, Like climate change is definitely getting worse, 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.200 so migration is happening from there. I see a lot 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:40.760 of people from Vietnam. I don't have the language skills 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.280 to speak to them in depth, like I was speaking 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.959 to someone when We'll get onto this through Google Translate 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.639 from Vietnam. But hard to conduct a full interview, especially 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.079 when folks are guarding their phone charge, which they are 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.680 because exactly the same as last time, they need the 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.680 phone to do CBP one. They need the phone to 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.240 interact with their families, let them know they're safe. Some 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.600 of their families, I guess don't know that they're traveling. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.960 I was helping people charge phones yesterday. So we can talk. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:10.799 Let's talk a little bit about mutual aid response, and 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.680 then we'll get onto the border patrol, you know. So 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.120 there are two groups down there right now, and I 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.639 think it's very impressive the services they're able to provide 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.399 because because Border Patrol claim these people are not detained, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.040 that means that they are therefore not obliged to provide 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.720 any services to them. Right So that would mean they 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.160 don't have to give them water, they don't have to 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:32.880 give them food, they don't have to give them shelter 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.839 or like salitation, which salitation is the one that's really 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.000 hard to cover because everything has to go through a 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:45.440 fist sized gap in the fence. So that's still like 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.200 an unmet need. But these two groups free Ship Collective, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:55.680 they're free Ship pebe on Twitter, and also American Friends 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.360 Service Committee. I've spoken about them before. They're a Quaker 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:02.280 group that they're really great like in terms of turning 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.800 up and helping people who need help. They're constantly there 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.240 and they they're a good place to send your money 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.280 even if you're not a Quaker yourself, like check out 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.320 the Twitter. Like Actually, they're probably aligned with a lot 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.480 of people who listened to show on a lot of things. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:19.120 I think their prison abolitionists. So those two groups were 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.520 there and they would At first there was myself, one 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.760 person from American French Service Committee and two older volunteers 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.560 who would come in about one hundred and fifty to 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.160 two hundred people. So most of the ideas kind of 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.719 helped because I think in that situation is more important 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.800 to help than necessarily like get the best audio for 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:40.159 your podcast. So we handed out water, handed out food, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:45.679 handed out those emergency survival blankets, and it was about 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.039 all we had at first, some like medical stuff people 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.880 had medical and a bit later free ship people came 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.440 and Xavier came. I'm not sure what Zavier's org is, 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.560 but I will tweet it when I find it. I'll 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.279 put it in the show notes to He's great. I've 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.760 spoken at his events before that he holds down by 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.720 the Border. We had a border media round table. He 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.280 turned up with a massive generator, so that was great. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.479 We're able to charge phones. And what's really I think 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.760 like notable is how much the people in between the 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:21.480 fences are able to participate in distribution of goods and 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.520 helping each other. So like they have a person who 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.719 volunteers to be the coordinator for the water distribution, and 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:32.000 one who volunteers to coordinate for the organizing people into 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.760 lines and making sure people don't cut the line right, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.040 and then one person who was the phone captain who 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:40.000 was doing like an incredible job of they'd get the 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.159 cell phone right right the name of the person and 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.280 then sign them a number in the line, and that 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.159 person would also have that name and number written on 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.680 their hand, and it's written in duct tape that's taped 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.000 to them and tape to the phone. And then when 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.200 their turn to charge comes, he would shout the name 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.920 of the number. They would come from wherever they were 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.320 in between the walls. They'd come and we would charge 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.320 the phone, and then once they've got above fifty sixty percent, 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.279 we'd switch it out and he'd call them again and 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.719 they come get their phone. So lots of that is 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.560 stuff that was learned in May and has been like 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.720 implemented again much more like. It's less chaotic than it 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.480 was before, and fewer people are able to provide better help, 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.840 which is really good that it doesn't mean that those 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.720 people don't need like donations, because they do. I know, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.200 the free ship people came with dozens of blankets, but 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:27.160 there weren't enough blankets for everybody, so we were prioritizing 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.000 families with children and pregnant women to have a blanket. 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.720 It was cold yesterday, it was raining, and people didn't 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.440 have anything to shelter under. There were a few tarts, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.240 but not very many, and it's a pretty like there 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.520 were very young babies there. Right, it's a pretty difficult 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.640 place to sleep with Like, people were very keen to 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.719 get their hands on cardboard boxes to lie down on 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.159 to sleep. That gives you a sense of how kind 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:55.920 of underserved they are. There's obviously no toilet facilities because 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.560 you're just in a dusty kind of desert area by 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.360 the border. So if people are familiar with Lass Americas, 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.240 the Discount Moll, we're like maybe a mile west of 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:11.320 there along the dirt road, and it's just kind of 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.160 dusty field, so very rocky, very difficult people to sleep, 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.880 very exposed to the elements. Right, it was hot today, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.440 like I was out earlier, and it's ninety one, so 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.480 they won't be having any shade today. They didn't have 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.360 any shelter from the rain or al ways to keep 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.239 warm last night. They're not allowed to start fires either, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.320 even if they have the means to do so. So 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.040 the situation of these people, I think is something worth 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:41.360 discussing because it's not exactly super duper clear what role 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.280 this plays in the immigration process. And there were a 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.200 couple of examples to illustrate that. So I was able 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:52.640 to talk to one person. They presented themselves from like 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.480 they came into the parking lot walking and they looked 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.520 looked very concerned, and so I approached him as, hey, 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.720 do you need anything, can we help few? And they 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.480 had experienced some kind of medical condition and been taken 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:11.480 to hospital, which Customs and Border Protection will do that, right, Like, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.520 if those people are there and they're having an emergency, 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.440 they'll open the gate, take that person out and transport 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.880 them to hospital somewhere in San Diego. That person had 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.920 then been released from hospital to a taxi, which hospitals 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.440 in San Diego have a habit of doing this. They'll 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.679 dump homeless people. Right If you anyone in San Diego 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.559 will have seen this, you'll be familiar with that. People 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.320 dumped out of hospital in Hillcrest wearing a hospital gown 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:40.160 and maybe having very little other possessions. It's every single 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.360 day this happens. Unfortunately, people have passed away on being 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:50.000 released by the hospital before in Hillcrest. So they release 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.959 these folks and I guess they often give them a 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.719 bus pass or they pay for a taxi. In this case, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.080 they paid for this person's taxi. They asked for a 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.760 taxi to the border. The command of English was pretty limited. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.040 They asked for attacks to the border. They were taken 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.560 to like the formal border crossing the Sanisudur, which is 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.160 a mile and a half east of where we were. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.480 And then they walked down the dirt road to where 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.240 we were. But obviously because there was a fence in 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:20.640 between US and the people being detained, then they weren't 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.719 able to access that area, right, So that leaves them 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.560 in a conundrum, right that they're now in the United 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:32.120 States without without any status they were able to want 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.240 Bodiptroll agent advise them to return to Mexico. Obviously, that 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.199 would constitute an entry to Mexico in between portsland entry, 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.800 where you'd be illegally entering Mexico. It's not bot of 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.560 Patrol's job to enforce Mexican laws. But that person was 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.760 in the United States and presented a claim for asylum. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:49.000 Right. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:54.240 They had a cell phone and they were using Google Translate, 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.520 and they literally I could see it. It was like, 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.400 I'm afraid to go back to my country, afraid I 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.240 will be her if I go back there, which is 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.080 like a pretty textbook asylum claim. I would like to 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:10.160 claim asylum right. And on making that claim, a Border 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.960 Patrol agent returned them to the area in between the fences, right, 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.160 which would suggest that this is a holding facility to 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.040 border patrol for people. I just want to read the 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.880 statement that Border Patrol made to me this morning this 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.680 was like a couple of hours one recording this, recording 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.800 this on Tuesday. CBP has built and retrofited facilities along 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.520 the Southwest border to enhance our capabilities in this regard. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.880 CBP has also significantly increased the number of medical personnel 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.360 along the Southwest border and those providing other wrap around services, 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.000 all to better support ensuring getting people appropriate care as 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.480 quickly as possible. Border Patrol has prioritized the quick transportation 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:54.040 of migrants encountered in this environment, which is partially dangerous, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.679 particularly dangerous uring current weather conditions, to border patrol facilities 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.400 where individuals can see medical care, food, and water. It 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.680 is important to note that migrants who are between the 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.959 border barriers are not in border patrol custody and are 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.200 at liberty to return to Mexico if they desire. We 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.040 have some audio of border patrol addressing the migrazine between 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:16.440 defenses that Daniald's going to drop in right after this person. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:27.080 You have a Monday, Just ghost it outast it out. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:28.000 Listen. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:34.040 We take as soon as we can. Listen, there's too 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:34.520 many of you. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:36.120 You can't do this fast. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:38.680 Why as you here and talk. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.480 To you the last time we have to take people. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.559 We're not designed to take hundreds of people. We're working 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.880 as fast as we can be patient. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:52.439 I can tell you this. They're shouting at them, they're 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.559 shouting at them in English. They're not really giving any case. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.839 So what the people obviously have questions, right they've entered, 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.040 Lots of them have been given bracelets when he's talking 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.599 about the bracelets, and people will have heard that in 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.920 the intro to that they were taking people with white bracelets. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.400 Those have a day, right the day that you entered, 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.000 so like it might say Monday or Sunday or today. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.440 Obviously it's Tuesday, so they would get a bracelet which 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.280 has a color and a day, and they process people 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:25.160 in order of priority. The people who arrived on Monday 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.880 first seale process on accompanied minors. I didn't see any obviously, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.319 some eighteen year old people. It could be hard to 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.800 tell how exactly hold they are, but seventeen whatever, But 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.280 I didn't see any people that young on their own. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:43.160 After that, they will process single mothers with children sor 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.400 a few of those, quite a few of those. After that, 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.160 they will process like a family, which they defined to 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:53.240 consist of a man or woman and children. After that 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.800 they will process men on their own. I guess women 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.199 on their own, then men on their own. They had 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.040 initially separate people. They had people just like they had 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.120 last time, right in like families and those with children, 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.000 and then single men were somewhere else. But it seemed 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.280 like people were able to come to travel in between 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.160 the fences down to the place where I was, because 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:13.760 that was the only place that they were able to 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.640 access services, right And I guess the claim of border 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.400 patrollers that these people could go back to Mexico. I'm 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:25.920 not sure how because obviously that they're in between these 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.280 thirty foot walls right right, you could. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:29.880 Go around the end. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:34.040 That's how people come north. But that's quite a hike, 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.560 especially if you haven't got any water and food and stuff. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:40.360 So yeah, it's this is what they've claimed. It's worth 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:45.040 noting that like Border Patrol, a number of representative from 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:50.559 the Hispanic Caucus like requested Border Patrol clarify this after 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.760 what happened in May, and their letter they noted that 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.600 the conditions violate agency guidelines for detention, which they do, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.839 and that Boderpatol isn't supposed to hold people in his 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:01.880 own custody for more than seventy two hours, which some 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.640 people were held for longer than that in May, and 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.559 CBP responded, I'll just read it out. The individuals in 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.400 question had not made contact with US Border Patrol personnel 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.360 and were not constrained from further movement. At the time 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.000 of this incident, the US Border Patrol San Diego sector 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.360 facilities were experiencing capacity issues and some transportation challenges which 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.840 have since been remediated. Border Patrol agents encountered and apprehended 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.360 these migrants as soon as there's operationally feasible to do so. Again, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.160 like they were dropped off in May by Border Patrol 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.840 vehicles in the place where they were being detained, And 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.240 it's simply not factually correct to suggest that they had 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:42.400 not come into contact with Border Patrol. I have video 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.040 of it. I've published video over on Twitter, We've used 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.080 audio of it on the podcast. I think it's just 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.360 not true. So Border Patrol essentially are claiming that this 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:57.480 isn't happening when it continues to happen, right, and this 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.280 time they've taken that to it's like they've al readly 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.640 doubled down on that status. I guess because they're not 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:07.880 providing any services, which is probably a good time for 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:13.680 us to hear from some products and services. Oh yeah, 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.760 fucking magic, Look at that taking a victory lap. I'm 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:32.760 quitting now never podcast again. I enjoy these adverts. Yeah 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.160 it's me, I'm back. Everyone else is still here too. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.280 Now we're talking about the mutual eight response to what's 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.560 happening at their border, right And as I said, a 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.120 border patrol aren't providing anything. And as I said, at 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.200 least when I left, I left after it got dark, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.280 quite a long time after it got dark last night. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.520 It was there for probably seven six or seven hours, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.120 and I saw more and more people arriving in that time, 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:57.480 and it was a really wide dispersed group of people. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.080 Like I would say, maybe the majority were Spanish speaking, 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.280 but a lot of people with Vietnamese. I was speaking 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.280 to some Francophone African people at various nationalities right before 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:12.720 I left, Like I said, lots of people from Tadjikustan, Azbekistan, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:16.440 as Abijan, places like that. Those people were pretty prominent. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.440 So it's fairly hard for volunteers to communicate with all 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.360 of them, and they don't have any information right about 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.520 what's happening to them. Can they expect to be separated. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:30.200 In some cases they can. Can they expect how long 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.680 can they expect to be there? We don't really know. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.680 I heard one bord of patrol agents saying that some 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:37.760 of the people who arrived on Monday could expect to 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.240 be taken out maybe by Wednesday, So that's at least 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.920 two hours two days, right, So all of the services 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.360 they're being provided, they're being provided through mutual aid right now, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.920 which is exactly the same thing that happened last time. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.400 Right Sometimes, Border Patrol last time gave them a granola bar. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.880 We haven't come back with their granola bars this time. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.560 And I think it's really worth us like taking a 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:07.320 moment to consider the scale of what like two hundred 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.640 people is not that many people, but it was more 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.400 than two thousand people in May, and that was provided 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.160 for by mutual aid. And I think it's a really 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.720 good like getting off point for maybe us to have 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.720 a little talk here about how we do mutual aid, 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:26.280 because the only thing that enabled like little babies to 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:31.040 have like a blanket is someone messaging someone else on 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.000 signal and being like, hey, this is happening again. Do 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.480 you have stuff? Can you come down and someone who 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.199 I don't know, weeks ago, I guess was like, oh, 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:40.800 these people are doing nice things, let me send them 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.800 some money, because without that, those people would just be 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.920 sleeping in the in the in the dust. I think 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:50.560 it's really it's it's admirable, I think, and it's something 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:55.840 that like, I don't know how to say this, that 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.240 we should take into consideration when we're discussing things like 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.800 religion and then like doing this course, and like it 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.760 could be really easy to get like into like full 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.680 readit atheist mode. I'm not a person who believes in 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:12.840 religion particularly, but like, the only people who are helping 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.040 at some point are people who are at least part 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:17.160 of religious organizations. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:23.200 Look, I think that the perfectly consistent stance to have 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.160 is that like, if someone is showing up and providing 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:33.520 people with necessary assistance and not not asking for anything 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.160 in return, including the ability to prostolytize, then I don't 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.600 give a shit what yeh, right, Like, I don't care 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.200 if they're from a church. I don't care if it's 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.000 like you know, some wee like as long as they 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.960 are showing up and helping people in desperate need and 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.440 not demanding some sort of something from them, including like 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.320 you know, them listen to a spiel. I don't really 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.040 you know, it could be a church, who gives a fuck, right, like, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.280 I'm glad they're there, you know, yeah. 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.680 Totally, it could be church. There were mosques there last time. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.040 I'm sure that they were like synagogues. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.040 And yeah, fucking kudos to those people, right, yeah, you know, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:09.880 like that's good, glad they're there. 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.720 Yeah, those Yeah, those people are doing anarkids and do, 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:15.960 even if they wouldn't call it that or whatever. Like, 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.520 you know, the more we can create networks that look 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.119 after each other without trying to control each other, then 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.240 the better of a place we make the world. And 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.359 that's what those people are doing, and we should all 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.560 celebrate that and support them however we can. I guess. 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:36.040 So as of today, there are still people there, and 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.680 they still seem to be putting people in there. I 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.840 think it's not supposed to be too hot this week, 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.200 like we had triple digit days last week. I think 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.520 over the weekend was pretty hot. Yeah, it was. It 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.840 was very hot on the weekend. So, like, the possibility 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.159 for this to get much worse is still there, right, 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:58.000 The possibility for people to get the person I spoke 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.600 to who had to go to hospital had become deep hydrated, 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.640 Like that's how they needed because you don't when people 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:06.960 were come when we first at least when I first 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.159 got there, people were very hungry and very thirsty and 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.640 like really desperate for a drink of water because often 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.399 they'd come from some of those other holding areas and 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.280 like walked down because this was the only place where 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:23.280 they could access stuff. So like, yeah, I guess the 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.760 potential for this to turn into something as sad and 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.399 completely unnecessary as what happened in May is there again. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:34.000 Yeah, so you mentioned that there's no shade, like no 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.919 shade in areas, so when it's triple digits, like there 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:41.560 are kids and babies and everyone's outside, Yes, that is 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.240 just I mean, it's terrible regardless, but like that in particular, 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:45.959 that's like brutal. 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.760 Yeah, I mean, I think I've shared these pities with 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.160 you guys before, but like in Hakumber in May, people 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.080 were making little kind of a frames and lean to's 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.560 and out of ostillos and cacti and stuff, just trying 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.600 to get out because it was very hot then out there. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.480 Even the photos you sat recently, there's like a there's 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.359 a photo you sat with the child's hand, like coming 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:11.480 out of the the fence that. 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.080 It made me emotional. Yeah, it makes me emotional, honestly. 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.840 Like I think I've said this before, like in interviews, 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:19.840 and I would an interview with Rory Pecktreust about this, 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:24.280 but like I would rather go somewhere dangerous and have 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.560 dangerous things happen then see a little kid have to 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.399 be cold, not be able to help them, or like 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.600 just be sad, like it's not a funny place for children, 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.159 And that fucks me up in a way that like 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:38.880 that's yeah, I would. 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.879 I would so much rather be like physically uncomfortable or 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.240 in danger than like be in a perfectly safe place 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.119 where you're watching kids suffer. 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:49.239 Like that's the rough thing. 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.280 I've been to a lot of refugee camps, and it's 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.880 always like, you know, it's weird because I've also seen 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:00.440 a lot of kids like in active combat zones And 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:03.879 don't take the wrong thing out of this, but like 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.320 the kids who have been stuck in a camp with 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.880 like no chance of ever getting out seem like more 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.080 depressed in a lot of ways than the kids who 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.080 every day, you know, they're they're in you know, part 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.119