1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: With white with. 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: Hello everyone. It's me James and I'm joined by Scharen 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: and Robert. Today we're going to be talking about the border, 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: which is where the audio you heard at the start 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: was recorded yesterday. Hi Serene and Robert. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 3: Hi James. 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: Hello James, thank you, Robert, Thank you Serene. It's lovely 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: to have this form on introduction time. Okay. So yeah, 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: we're gathered here to go to talk about the border. 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: And the reason we are talking about the board it 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 2: is because border patrol are doing their thing, the thing 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: that they like to do tiemingly like on a quarterly 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: basis actually exactly three months after the last time, which 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: is to hold people out in the open in between 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: the two board defenses in Santi Sego, just about fifteen 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: minutes south of where I live. The it's probably worth 17 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: grounding this discussion in the various claims and counterclaims. So 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: there are about two hundred people in between the two 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: boarder fences right now. People I spoke to were from Azerbijan, 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Turkmenistan and Zbekistan, Turkey, China, Vietnam, Hondoors, Guatemala. Yeah. Like 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: the reason that sometimes these lists of people sound like, 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: you know, you're singing Washington bullets. Is because these are 23 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: all countries that we have destabilized in one way or another, 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: saying we qua the United States, not we as CAOL 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: zone media, we were spire to de stabilized regimes. 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: We've only destabilized two or three countries. 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're proud of it. Yeah we don't, Yeah, 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: we don't. Uh, we don't hide it. 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, we took our shot at Canada, you know. 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well we've taken a good couple of swings 31 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: in a tamadoor. I think we land some punches, but 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: who knows, time will tell. So yeah, it's people from 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: like I think often the migration is constructed as quite 34 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: unquote Mexican, which is definitely not the case. I spoke 35 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: to one family from Mexico yesterday. But like, even if 36 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: you look at border patrol statistics, about four thousand out 37 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 2: of fifteen thousand people apprehended in the San Diego sector 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: in July of this year of Mexican nationality. 39 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: That's lawer than I would assume to be honest. 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's just a number of things, right, Like, 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 2: it's these countries, Like climate change is definitely getting worse, 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: so migration is happening from there. I see a lot 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: of people from Vietnam. I don't have the language skills 44 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: to speak to them in depth, like I was speaking 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 2: to someone when We'll get onto this through Google Translate 46 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: from Vietnam. But hard to conduct a full interview, especially 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 2: when folks are guarding their phone charge, which they are 48 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: because exactly the same as last time, they need the 49 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: phone to do CBP one. They need the phone to 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: interact with their families, let them know they're safe. Some 51 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: of their families, I guess don't know that they're traveling. 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: I was helping people charge phones yesterday. So we can talk. 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about mutual aid response, and 54 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: then we'll get onto the border patrol, you know. So 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: there are two groups down there right now, and I 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: think it's very impressive the services they're able to provide 57 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 2: because because Border Patrol claim these people are not detained, 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: that means that they are therefore not obliged to provide 59 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: any services to them. Right So that would mean they 60 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: don't have to give them water, they don't have to 61 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: give them food, they don't have to give them shelter 62 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 2: or like salitation, which salitation is the one that's really 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: hard to cover because everything has to go through a 64 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: fist sized gap in the fence. So that's still like 65 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: an unmet need. But these two groups free Ship Collective, 66 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: they're free Ship pebe on Twitter, and also American Friends 67 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: Service Committee. I've spoken about them before. They're a Quaker 68 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: group that they're really great like in terms of turning 69 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: up and helping people who need help. They're constantly there 70 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: and they they're a good place to send your money 71 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: even if you're not a Quaker yourself, like check out 72 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: the Twitter. Like Actually, they're probably aligned with a lot 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: of people who listened to show on a lot of things. 74 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: I think their prison abolitionists. So those two groups were 75 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: there and they would At first there was myself, one 76 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: person from American French Service Committee and two older volunteers 77 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: who would come in about one hundred and fifty to 78 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: two hundred people. So most of the ideas kind of 79 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: helped because I think in that situation is more important 80 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: to help than necessarily like get the best audio for 81 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: your podcast. So we handed out water, handed out food, 82 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 2: handed out those emergency survival blankets, and it was about 83 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: all we had at first, some like medical stuff people 84 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: had medical and a bit later free ship people came 85 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: and Xavier came. I'm not sure what Zavier's org is, 86 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: but I will tweet it when I find it. I'll 87 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: put it in the show notes to He's great. I've 88 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: spoken at his events before that he holds down by 89 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: the Border. We had a border media round table. He 90 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: turned up with a massive generator, so that was great. 91 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: We're able to charge phones. And what's really I think 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: like notable is how much the people in between the 93 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: fences are able to participate in distribution of goods and 94 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: helping each other. So like they have a person who 95 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: volunteers to be the coordinator for the water distribution, and 96 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: one who volunteers to coordinate for the organizing people into 97 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: lines and making sure people don't cut the line right, 98 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: and then one person who was the phone captain who 99 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: was doing like an incredible job of they'd get the 100 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: cell phone right right the name of the person and 101 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: then sign them a number in the line, and that 102 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: person would also have that name and number written on 103 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: their hand, and it's written in duct tape that's taped 104 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: to them and tape to the phone. And then when 105 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: their turn to charge comes, he would shout the name 106 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: of the number. They would come from wherever they were 107 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: in between the walls. They'd come and we would charge 108 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: the phone, and then once they've got above fifty sixty percent, 109 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: we'd switch it out and he'd call them again and 110 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: they come get their phone. So lots of that is 111 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: stuff that was learned in May and has been like 112 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: implemented again much more like. It's less chaotic than it 113 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 2: was before, and fewer people are able to provide better help, 114 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 2: which is really good that it doesn't mean that those 115 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: people don't need like donations, because they do. I know, 116 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: the free ship people came with dozens of blankets, but 117 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: there weren't enough blankets for everybody, so we were prioritizing 118 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: families with children and pregnant women to have a blanket. 119 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: It was cold yesterday, it was raining, and people didn't 120 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: have anything to shelter under. There were a few tarts, 121 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: but not very many, and it's a pretty like there 122 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: were very young babies there. Right, it's a pretty difficult 123 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: place to sleep with Like, people were very keen to 124 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: get their hands on cardboard boxes to lie down on 125 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 2: to sleep. That gives you a sense of how kind 126 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: of underserved they are. There's obviously no toilet facilities because 127 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: you're just in a dusty kind of desert area by 128 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: the border. So if people are familiar with Lass Americas, 129 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: the Discount Moll, we're like maybe a mile west of 130 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: there along the dirt road, and it's just kind of 131 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: dusty field, so very rocky, very difficult people to sleep, 132 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: very exposed to the elements. Right, it was hot today, 133 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: like I was out earlier, and it's ninety one, so 134 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: they won't be having any shade today. They didn't have 135 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: any shelter from the rain or al ways to keep 136 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 2: warm last night. They're not allowed to start fires either, 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: even if they have the means to do so. So 138 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: the situation of these people, I think is something worth 139 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: discussing because it's not exactly super duper clear what role 140 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: this plays in the immigration process. And there were a 141 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: couple of examples to illustrate that. So I was able 142 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: to talk to one person. They presented themselves from like 143 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: they came into the parking lot walking and they looked 144 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: looked very concerned, and so I approached him as, hey, 145 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: do you need anything, can we help few? And they 146 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: had experienced some kind of medical condition and been taken 147 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: to hospital, which Customs and Border Protection will do that, right, Like, 148 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: if those people are there and they're having an emergency, 149 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: they'll open the gate, take that person out and transport 150 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: them to hospital somewhere in San Diego. That person had 151 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: then been released from hospital to a taxi, which hospitals 152 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: in San Diego have a habit of doing this. They'll 153 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 2: dump homeless people. Right If you anyone in San Diego 154 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: will have seen this, you'll be familiar with that. People 155 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: dumped out of hospital in Hillcrest wearing a hospital gown 156 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: and maybe having very little other possessions. It's every single 157 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: day this happens. Unfortunately, people have passed away on being 158 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: released by the hospital before in Hillcrest. So they release 159 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: these folks and I guess they often give them a 160 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 2: bus pass or they pay for a taxi. In this case, 161 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: they paid for this person's taxi. They asked for a 162 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: taxi to the border. The command of English was pretty limited. 163 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: They asked for attacks to the border. They were taken 164 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: to like the formal border crossing the Sanisudur, which is 165 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: a mile and a half east of where we were. 166 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: And then they walked down the dirt road to where 167 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: we were. But obviously because there was a fence in 168 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: between US and the people being detained, then they weren't 169 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 2: able to access that area, right, So that leaves them 170 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: in a conundrum, right that they're now in the United 171 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: States without without any status they were able to want 172 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: Bodiptroll agent advise them to return to Mexico. Obviously, that 173 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 2: would constitute an entry to Mexico in between portsland entry, 174 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: where you'd be illegally entering Mexico. It's not bot of 175 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: Patrol's job to enforce Mexican laws. But that person was 176 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: in the United States and presented a claim for asylum. 177 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: Right. 178 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: They had a cell phone and they were using Google Translate, 179 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: and they literally I could see it. It was like, 180 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: I'm afraid to go back to my country, afraid I 181 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: will be her if I go back there, which is 182 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: like a pretty textbook asylum claim. I would like to 183 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: claim asylum right. And on making that claim, a Border 184 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: Patrol agent returned them to the area in between the fences, right, 185 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: which would suggest that this is a holding facility to 186 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: border patrol for people. I just want to read the 187 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: statement that Border Patrol made to me this morning this 188 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: was like a couple of hours one recording this, recording 189 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: this on Tuesday. CBP has built and retrofited facilities along 190 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: the Southwest border to enhance our capabilities in this regard. 191 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: CBP has also significantly increased the number of medical personnel 192 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: along the Southwest border and those providing other wrap around services, 193 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: all to better support ensuring getting people appropriate care as 194 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: quickly as possible. Border Patrol has prioritized the quick transportation 195 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: of migrants encountered in this environment, which is partially dangerous, 196 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 2: particularly dangerous uring current weather conditions, to border patrol facilities 197 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: where individuals can see medical care, food, and water. It 198 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: is important to note that migrants who are between the 199 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 2: border barriers are not in border patrol custody and are 200 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 2: at liberty to return to Mexico if they desire. We 201 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: have some audio of border patrol addressing the migrazine between 202 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: defenses that Daniald's going to drop in right after this person. 203 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: You have a Monday, Just ghost it outast it out. 204 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: Listen. 205 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: We take as soon as we can. Listen, there's too 206 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: many of you. 207 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: You can't do this fast. 208 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: Why as you here and talk. 209 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: To you the last time we have to take people. 210 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: We're not designed to take hundreds of people. We're working 211 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: as fast as we can be patient. 212 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 2: I can tell you this. They're shouting at them, they're 213 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: shouting at them in English. They're not really giving any case. 214 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: So what the people obviously have questions, right they've entered, 215 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: Lots of them have been given bracelets when he's talking 216 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 2: about the bracelets, and people will have heard that in 217 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: the intro to that they were taking people with white bracelets. 218 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: Those have a day, right the day that you entered, 219 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: so like it might say Monday or Sunday or today. 220 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: Obviously it's Tuesday, so they would get a bracelet which 221 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: has a color and a day, and they process people 222 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: in order of priority. The people who arrived on Monday 223 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: first seale process on accompanied minors. I didn't see any obviously, 224 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: some eighteen year old people. It could be hard to 225 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: tell how exactly hold they are, but seventeen whatever, But 226 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: I didn't see any people that young on their own. 227 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: After that, they will process single mothers with children sor 228 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: a few of those, quite a few of those. After that, 229 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: they will process like a family, which they defined to 230 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: consist of a man or woman and children. After that 231 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: they will process men on their own. I guess women 232 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 2: on their own, then men on their own. They had 233 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: initially separate people. They had people just like they had 234 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: last time, right in like families and those with children, 235 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: and then single men were somewhere else. But it seemed 236 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: like people were able to come to travel in between 237 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: the fences down to the place where I was, because 238 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: that was the only place that they were able to 239 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: access services, right And I guess the claim of border 240 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: patrollers that these people could go back to Mexico. I'm 241 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: not sure how because obviously that they're in between these 242 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: thirty foot walls right right, you could. 243 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: Go around the end. 244 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: That's how people come north. But that's quite a hike, 245 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: especially if you haven't got any water and food and stuff. 246 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's this is what they've claimed. It's worth 247 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: noting that like Border Patrol, a number of representative from 248 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: the Hispanic Caucus like requested Border Patrol clarify this after 249 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: what happened in May, and their letter they noted that 250 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: the conditions violate agency guidelines for detention, which they do, 251 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: and that Boderpatol isn't supposed to hold people in his 252 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: own custody for more than seventy two hours, which some 253 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: people were held for longer than that in May, and 254 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 2: CBP responded, I'll just read it out. The individuals in 255 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: question had not made contact with US Border Patrol personnel 256 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: and were not constrained from further movement. At the time 257 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: of this incident, the US Border Patrol San Diego sector 258 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: facilities were experiencing capacity issues and some transportation challenges which 259 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: have since been remediated. Border Patrol agents encountered and apprehended 260 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: these migrants as soon as there's operationally feasible to do so. Again, 261 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: like they were dropped off in May by Border Patrol 262 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: vehicles in the place where they were being detained, And 263 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: it's simply not factually correct to suggest that they had 264 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: not come into contact with Border Patrol. I have video 265 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: of it. I've published video over on Twitter, We've used 266 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: audio of it on the podcast. I think it's just 267 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: not true. So Border Patrol essentially are claiming that this 268 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: isn't happening when it continues to happen, right, and this 269 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: time they've taken that to it's like they've al readly 270 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: doubled down on that status. I guess because they're not 271 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: providing any services, which is probably a good time for 272 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: us to hear from some products and services. Oh yeah, 273 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: fucking magic, Look at that taking a victory lap. I'm 274 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: quitting now never podcast again. I enjoy these adverts. Yeah 275 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: it's me, I'm back. Everyone else is still here too. 276 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: Now we're talking about the mutual eight response to what's 277 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: happening at their border, right And as I said, a 278 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: border patrol aren't providing anything. And as I said, at 279 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: least when I left, I left after it got dark, 280 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: quite a long time after it got dark last night. 281 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: It was there for probably seven six or seven hours, 282 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: and I saw more and more people arriving in that time, 283 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: and it was a really wide dispersed group of people. 284 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: Like I would say, maybe the majority were Spanish speaking, 285 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: but a lot of people with Vietnamese. I was speaking 286 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: to some Francophone African people at various nationalities right before 287 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: I left, Like I said, lots of people from Tadjikustan, Azbekistan, 288 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: as Abijan, places like that. Those people were pretty prominent. 289 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: So it's fairly hard for volunteers to communicate with all 290 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: of them, and they don't have any information right about 291 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: what's happening to them. Can they expect to be separated. 292 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: In some cases they can. Can they expect how long 293 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: can they expect to be there? We don't really know. 294 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: I heard one bord of patrol agents saying that some 295 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: of the people who arrived on Monday could expect to 296 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: be taken out maybe by Wednesday, So that's at least 297 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: two hours two days, right, So all of the services 298 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: they're being provided, they're being provided through mutual aid right now, 299 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: which is exactly the same thing that happened last time. 300 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: Right Sometimes, Border Patrol last time gave them a granola bar. 301 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: We haven't come back with their granola bars this time. 302 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: And I think it's really worth us like taking a 303 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: moment to consider the scale of what like two hundred 304 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: people is not that many people, but it was more 305 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 2: than two thousand people in May, and that was provided 306 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: for by mutual aid. And I think it's a really 307 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: good like getting off point for maybe us to have 308 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: a little talk here about how we do mutual aid, 309 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: because the only thing that enabled like little babies to 310 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: have like a blanket is someone messaging someone else on 311 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: signal and being like, hey, this is happening again. Do 312 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: you have stuff? Can you come down and someone who 313 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: I don't know, weeks ago, I guess was like, oh, 314 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: these people are doing nice things, let me send them 315 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: some money, because without that, those people would just be 316 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: sleeping in the in the in the dust. I think 317 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: it's really it's it's admirable, I think, and it's something 318 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: that like, I don't know how to say this, that 319 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: we should take into consideration when we're discussing things like 320 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: religion and then like doing this course, and like it 321 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: could be really easy to get like into like full 322 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: readit atheist mode. I'm not a person who believes in 323 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: religion particularly, but like, the only people who are helping 324 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: at some point are people who are at least part 325 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: of religious organizations. 326 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: Look, I think that the perfectly consistent stance to have 327 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: is that like, if someone is showing up and providing 328 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: people with necessary assistance and not not asking for anything 329 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: in return, including the ability to prostolytize, then I don't 330 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: give a shit what yeh, right, Like, I don't care 331 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: if they're from a church. I don't care if it's 332 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: like you know, some wee like as long as they 333 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: are showing up and helping people in desperate need and 334 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: not demanding some sort of something from them, including like 335 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, them listen to a spiel. I don't really 336 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, it could be a church, who gives a fuck, right, like, 337 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm glad they're there, you know, yeah. 338 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: Totally, it could be church. There were mosques there last time. 339 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure that they were like synagogues. 340 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, fucking kudos to those people, right, yeah, you know, 341 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: like that's good, glad they're there. 342 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, those Yeah, those people are doing anarkids and do, 343 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: even if they wouldn't call it that or whatever. Like, 344 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: you know, the more we can create networks that look 345 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: after each other without trying to control each other, then 346 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: the better of a place we make the world. And 347 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: that's what those people are doing, and we should all 348 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: celebrate that and support them however we can. I guess. 349 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: So as of today, there are still people there, and 350 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: they still seem to be putting people in there. I 351 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: think it's not supposed to be too hot this week, 352 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: like we had triple digit days last week. I think 353 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: over the weekend was pretty hot. Yeah, it was. It 354 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: was very hot on the weekend. So, like, the possibility 355 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 2: for this to get much worse is still there, right, 356 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: The possibility for people to get the person I spoke 357 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: to who had to go to hospital had become deep hydrated, 358 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 2: Like that's how they needed because you don't when people 359 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: were come when we first at least when I first 360 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: got there, people were very hungry and very thirsty and 361 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 2: like really desperate for a drink of water because often 362 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: they'd come from some of those other holding areas and 363 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: like walked down because this was the only place where 364 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: they could access stuff. So like, yeah, I guess the 365 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: potential for this to turn into something as sad and 366 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: completely unnecessary as what happened in May is there again. 367 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you mentioned that there's no shade, like no 368 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 3: shade in areas, so when it's triple digits, like there 369 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: are kids and babies and everyone's outside, Yes, that is 370 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: just I mean, it's terrible regardless, but like that in particular, 371 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 3: that's like brutal. 372 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I've shared these pities with 373 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: you guys before, but like in Hakumber in May, people 374 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: were making little kind of a frames and lean to's 375 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: and out of ostillos and cacti and stuff, just trying 376 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: to get out because it was very hot then out there. 377 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: Even the photos you sat recently, there's like a there's 378 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 3: a photo you sat with the child's hand, like coming 379 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 3: out of the the fence that. 380 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: It made me emotional. Yeah, it makes me emotional, honestly. 381 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: Like I think I've said this before, like in interviews, 382 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: and I would an interview with Rory Pecktreust about this, 383 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: but like I would rather go somewhere dangerous and have 384 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: dangerous things happen then see a little kid have to 385 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: be cold, not be able to help them, or like 386 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: just be sad, like it's not a funny place for children, 387 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: And that fucks me up in a way that like 388 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 2: that's yeah, I would. 389 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: I would so much rather be like physically uncomfortable or 390 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: in danger than like be in a perfectly safe place 391 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: where you're watching kids suffer. 392 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 2: Like that's the rough thing. 393 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: I've been to a lot of refugee camps, and it's 394 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: always like, you know, it's weird because I've also seen 395 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: a lot of kids like in active combat zones And 396 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: don't take the wrong thing out of this, but like 397 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: the kids who have been stuck in a camp with 398 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: like no chance of ever getting out seem like more 399 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: depressed in a lot of ways than the kids who 400 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: every day, you know, they're they're in you know, part 401 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: of the city, even though like the city is a 402 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: dangerous place to be. They're they're moving around, they're usually 403 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: doing stuff. Obviously, it's a much more worse situation in 404 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. But like the degree to which 405 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: being in this limbo messes with their heads and depresses 406 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: them and traumatizes them is And again I'm not saying 407 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: like it's better for kids to be in an act 408 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: of war zone, but like that is trauma as well, 409 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: and I think in a lot of ways an equivalent trauma. 410 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: Even though the danger to their body is less, the 411 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: trauma they face being stuck in a place and not 412 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: having any idea what the future is and not having 413 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: any ability to influence it. Really right being you know, 414 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: these kids up at this fence are totally they have 415 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: no control over their future or their lives. 416 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: Really, I think that's the really like it strips people 417 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 2: of their agency, which is a really degrading thing to do. Right, 418 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: you're forcing these people they can do everything right that 419 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: that person presented a perfect affirmative asylum claim, you know, 420 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: and yeah, it doesn't matter. And I think that's very hard, 421 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: especially I imagine it's very difficult. I'm not a parent, 422 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: but I imagine that, Like if you are a parent, God, yeah, 423 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: you know, you just want your kids to have a 424 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: safe place to grow up. And like, I don't know. 425 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: It's the first time I ever realized that I was 426 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: having a trauma response, and it was not a good one. 427 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: Was in twenty eighteen with the migrant caravan, when like 428 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: I had been there was one little child where I 429 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 2: speak about a lot, but she was obsessed with my hair. 430 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 2: If people haven't seen, paces of me have long hair, 431 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: and like wanted to braid my hair every time I 432 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: went there. And so she'd come and she'd sit on 433 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: my shoulders and I would just do shit, and she 434 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: would braid my hair while I was, you know, handing 435 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 2: out water bottles or you know, talking to people, doing 436 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: what I could do. And like, I saw that girl 437 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: every day for months, right, And then I remember once 438 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: coming back to a Christmas party and just wanting to 439 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: fucking scream at everyone. It's a juxtaposition from being seeing 440 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: this little kid like deprived of so many things that 441 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: chord should have, warmth and shelter and good food and 442 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: a safe place to be, and then going home, you know, 443 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: twenty minute drive across the border, drive home and see 444 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: people just like going about their lives. It's it's a 445 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 2: really challenging duality. We can't stop it, right, Like it's 446 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: not in our power to stop this, but like it 447 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: is in our power. One of the things I hear 448 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: people being like, it's like welcome to America. Like it's 449 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: pretty fucked up way to be welcome to America, right, 450 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: But like, like, I'm an immigrant. My my arrival here 451 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: was very different, and like Sharene, you came here when 452 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: you were younger, right, I was. 453 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 3: I didn't immigrate myself. I was born here a month old, 454 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: moved back from my parents, immigrated. 455 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: Yeah so you can be president, that's important. 456 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 3: Oh yes, I can be president. 457 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: You can be president, but not James, which is which 458 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: is good? Which is good? Yeah? 459 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, in general that is my goal for you, James. Yeah, 460 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: I can see. I'd really crush it in that round. 461 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: I do love a good law. Yeah yeah, yeah, Cherine 462 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 2: can take out Ted Cruz. Who is you can? 463 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: You can be Charene's John Mitchell. Now it's a fun 464 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: little water Gate chap for every fund. I will be 465 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: hiding Karen's secret meetings. I'm hoping for Haldeman myself. That's 466 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: the Oh, that's the guy to be. 467 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: I want to go back for like further than that, 468 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: you know, like when students were chads and like Roosevelt 469 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: got shot five times. I can see Sharene having that 470 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: kind of energy. Sure, well, yeah, we're all in on Scharene. Yeah, 471 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: don't choose sereen A book was enough for Teddy Roosevelt people. 472 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: It's have changed return no jokes aside, Like I came 473 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: to America very differently from this and like, uh, I 474 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 2: recently became a citizen after a long time, and like 475 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: you always feel very precarious when you live here and 476 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 2: you're not, so I just went Like one thing that 477 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: I noticed was that so many of the folks down 478 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 2: there at one point, all of us one pot I 479 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: didn't know. We're also people who had come here themselves 480 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: and like had different stories, and we talked about Like 481 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: another thing I think is really important, actually, it's like 482 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 2: just because people are in a shitty situation doesn't mean 483 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 2: that they are not like people. Like sometimes it can 484 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: be really easy to be like bottle of water, buy 485 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: bottle of water, he goo, bottle of water. Chairs, Like 486 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: let's want to fucking talk to you and like how 487 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: is your day or like what's your favorite football team? 488 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: Like like that can be a really valuable way of 489 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 2: being like, look, I understand that the government is treating 490 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 2: you like shit right now, and that's not with my consent, Like. 491 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: I human connection because they aren't treated like humans. So 492 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 3: it's like nice to remember. 493 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: That's like, oh, it's like yeah, totally, someone seeing me, 494 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: yes exactly, and just being like we're in community, like 495 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: we are here to do whatever we can to make 496 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: this a little bit less fucking barbaric. Like I always 497 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: think I should buy like soft toys for the kids. 498 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: I spent a lot of money on soft toys for 499 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: kids over d years. But remember one time we cleared 500 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: out at Costco in Tiuana and like had them morn 501 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: in the bed of a pickup truck and they were 502 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: like trying to fly out as we drove down the freeway. 503 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: It was it was a good time. But yeah, it's 504 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 2: I think that common humanity is super important if people 505 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 2: have language skills and they want to help, Like there 506 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: are always organizations to help migrants, so American Friends Service 507 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 2: Committee is a really good one. I don't think they 508 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: would care if you were not a person of faith. 509 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 2: I think lots of the people helping out with them 510 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: are not. They're just nice people. So there are so many. 511 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 3: Languages apparently that need translating, Like it's not just Spanish. 512 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people assume it would just 513 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 3: be like I don't know Spanish, I'm not going to go. 514 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: But so many other languages that would be helpful. 515 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I speak French, and I honestly spend as 516 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: much time at the board of speaking French or Spanish. 517 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: I have like passable communication in Haitian creole, and they 518 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: can sort of if some people speak like more formal 519 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: French who are Haitian, so I can speak to them. 520 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't speak Taiji, Kolozbek, Russian or Vietnamese, 521 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: so like those people are. Therefore it's harder for them 522 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: to access solidarity right and to talk to people and 523 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: to be seen, Like we can try a best with 524 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: cell phone apps. The person who had been taken to 525 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: a hospital was Vietnamese and was just doing a stalwart 526 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: job of Like obviously they were to the north of 527 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 2: the border, so among the volunteers basically, and we were 528 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: using our phones to talk and they were helping us 529 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: distribute shit, right and then helping explain to the Vietnamese people, hey, 530 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: like you have to be in this line if you 531 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: want this, at this line if you want that, and 532 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: like so that was nice, and it's always like great 533 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: to see like people empowered by that process, Like they're 534 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 2: not just like asking for stuff, they're also helping get 535 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: other people stuff, and I think that that helps both parties. 536 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: So like this means of like I guess like people 537 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: call mutilated solidarity not charity, which I think that illustrates 538 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: really well. You know, like all these people are there 539 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: to be in solidarity with people who they consider to 540 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: be members of their community, not not to like gain 541 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: some camic reward or whatever like people, And I think 542 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: that's a really laudable thing. It's something we should all 543 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: participate in if we can stand there everyone's near the border. 544 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: But like, yeah, we can't change this that we're all 545 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: supposed to vote for Joe Biden because he wouldn't be 546 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: a piece of shit to migrants, and he's been a 547 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: complete piece of shit to migrants for the entirety of 548 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: his time in office, and I sincerely believe he will 549 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: be a piece of shit to migrants if he is 550 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: elected again. So you can't fucking change this by voting 551 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: for someone. I wish you could. I wish it was 552 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: that easy, but like it sadly, it requires your active participation. 553 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm just constantly impressed by people who will 554 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 2: Like the people from Free Shiit Collective, they bought their 555 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: entire family. Right I send them a message, They were like, yeah, 556 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: we're on our way, what do you need blankets? Okay, 557 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: we have like one hundred blankets and a generator, and 558 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: within an hour there's at least some of those people. 559 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: I had a warmer place to sleep right before that, 560 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: I was giving out the blankets I had for camping 561 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: in my truck. But I have two sleeping bags in 562 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: my truck. It's not enough. Yeah, I think that's something 563 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: we can all do in our own communities. But right now, again, 564 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 2: I guess Biden's administration are back on the bullshit at 565 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: the border, and it's important that people just pay attention 566 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: to it. 567 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: Right. 568 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: I guess you could write your Congress people, but they 569 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: didn't do shit last time, they won't do shit this time. 570 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: But people can show sort of directing any way, or 571 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: lend their language skills. I think now it's a really 572 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: important time to do that. 573 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's SIT's frustrating because the border in general just 574 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: becomes like a political talking point, right, like Biden uses 575 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 3: it for his benefit and then it's like I'll pick 576 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: it up when I need it again. Yeah, whatever it is, 577 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 3: it's pretty infuriating. 578 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: It's fucking not. Yeah, it's incredibly infuriating for me to 579 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: see like a guarantee you out was stand there yesterday 580 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: when no other media folks will be there today. Folks 581 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: who haven't been there since May will roll up again, right, 582 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: who haven't covered the border, who don't have a working 583 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: knowledge of like what's happened since Title forty two, which 584 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: is apprehensions have dropped, by the way, like travel across 585 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: the border has got a lot lower since Title forty two, 586 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: which is what we were told that to opposite of 587 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: what every off ed told us was going to happen, 588 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: because people maybe should not be ranting about the border 589 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: when they live in DC or New York. But yeah, 590 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: Biden will come back to the border next time he 591 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: gets attacked by Republicans on boarder stuff, and until then, 592 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: like these people will be treated as if they're numbers 593 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 2: or if they don't matter, and like each of them 594 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: has a story and a reason for being here, and 595 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: they're not just numbers. They're all people. And every time 596 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: someone dies trying to come to its country to be safe, 597 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: it's a tragedy, and it's a preventable tragedy, and it's 598 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: one that the Democrats are justice complicit as Republicans in Yeah, 599 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: you know, we've spoken a lot about groups you can 600 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: you can go to, right, Like we spoke about border Kindness, 601 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: we spoke about Borderlands Release Relief Collective. Like there are 602 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: in one ways to help or detail them all now. 603 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's something that like we can't erase the 604 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: Like I feel genuinely ashamed every time I'm down there, 605 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: you know, to be American now. But it's just hard 606 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: when people are like, hey, what's going to happen, you 607 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: have to be like, well, we don't know, but like 608 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: you might be separated from your family, you might be detained. 609 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: They're probably going to take most of your clothes. They 610 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: might take your belt off. You know, you can wear 611 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: one jacket, one shirt, your pants, and your shoes. They 612 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: might take your shoelaces and venues go into the fucking 613 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: abyss of processing. Right, there might be years till you 614 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: get your core date and you might not have a 615 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: right to work until then. But it might cost you 616 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 2: tang twelve grand to get a lawyer to represent you. 617 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: How do you get that money? Fucked you? I know, 618 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: you know, And yeah it's deep. I feel really ashamed, 619 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 2: but yeah, all we can do is just try and 620 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: help however we can. Yeah, yeah, all right, Yeah, sorry 621 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: that was really depressing, was that? No, No, it's good. 622 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 3: I really admire that instead of like kind of wallowing 623 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 3: in the shame, You're like, I actually want to do 624 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: something and it's okay that I feel shame. That's valid. 625 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 3: It's both things can be true. I can be helpful 626 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 3: and I can also have perspective on it. 627 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it helps to help helps me. It 628 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: helps other people to feel active, not like acted upon. 629 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: And that's why folks on who are migrants want to 630 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 2: also participate in migrant aid, right, like even folks whore 631 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 2: in between the war right now, like organizing that the 632 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 2: phone charging queue, because it helps to not just feel 633 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: acted upon and remove the agency. Yeah, so yeah, do 634 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 2: you mutual aid if you can? 635 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: Yeah? 636 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: Be nice, Yeah, be nice. 637 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: Box the border patrol. H I think that that more 638 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: or less covers it. 639 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's our message. That Sharine's 640 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 2: presidential slogan. 641 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 3: Yes, that's my campaign. I'll work on that, okay. 642 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:08,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. It could happen here as a production of cool 643 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: Zone Media. 644 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 645 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 646 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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