WEBVTT - Severance: Trojan's Horse 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.200 Spoiler alert. 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:06.040 This episode contains spoilers for the season so far and 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:10.320 also episode five, which at the point of recording was 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:12.640 the newest episode that had been released and that we 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.400 have seen, so we have not yet seen episode six, 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:33.600 even though that is out now. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:38.440 Hello, it was Jason Eccepcion and I'm Rosie Knight, and 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:40.479 welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.280 dive deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.479 Coming from our podcast where we're bringing you three episodes 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:48.120 a week and we're finally doing it. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.440 You are driving you to Severance. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:55.720 And now it's happening sun Server Run. Yes, the people 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.160 want Severance, so here we are severancing it Up and 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.880 Jason are luckily not severed yet. We still know the 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.320 difference between the real life and the pod, but it's 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:09.480 getting stranger as twenty twenty five goes on. So in 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.520 today's episode in the Airlock, we will be recapping the 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.760 most recent episode of Severance, episode five, and throughout the 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.480 show we'll be talking about the impact and our fandom 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.880 of the series so far. Jason has a little delightful 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.760 omnibus for us about the King among Commoner's Trope, which 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:30.840 is really exciting. 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.480 And then we're gonna explore. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.680 Our favorite fan theories and some of them are pretty wild. Guys, 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.760 We're going to debate ces is it robots? Is it? 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:41.520 None of the above? 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:46.000 We'll see and remember we are hosting our very first 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.920 book club. We will be covering Dead Evil Born Again, 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:54.040 the classic comic arc by Frank Miller and David Magicelli, 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:58.520 and we will be posting that episode on Tuesday, February 0:01:58.720 --> 0:01:59.600 twenty fifth. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.920 You still have three days to read the comment up. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:08.680 Next, the Airlock Okay Severance Season two, episode five, Trojan Horse. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.919 We open in the wake of the disastrous, truly disastrous 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:19.440 ortbo Outbuit Retreat team building occurrence, and it's revealed that 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:24.359 Helly was actually Helena Egan spying on the Innies and 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.800 the retreat that featured the removal of Irving's Glasgow Block, 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:34.040 resulting in his essential execution I Think I Love You. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.000 We are somewhere inside lumin We see a worker take 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:42.600 possession of a tray of dental tools and then board 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.040 the mysterious elevator which goes we don't know where, but 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.800 I would imagine we're gonna find out soon. Audie Mark 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.200 is at home talking to his sister Devin on the phone, 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:57.200 while taking a tray of strange pills and drinking a 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.240 vial of stuff that looks scared early like the jars 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.600 from Don't Breed There like Little fALS. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:09.000 Very reference that, but absolutely true. You don't want to 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.679 be drinking that stuff. I do feel like this episode 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.240 is bearing us even more towards kind of the genre, 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.800 the horror, the weirdness, because the fental trays, the strange files, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.399 We're really getting into some creepy stuff right now. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:28.280 Should also note that weird food is a theme in 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.600 this show. They're always eating like strange like in this 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.840 episode they eat like watermelon only at a party and 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.640 drink water and take strange pills. All of this is 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:45.160 very strange anyway. Mark tells Devin that apparently at the 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.200 or Bow his any Like took a spill, but otherwise 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.800 it's not a big deal. He continues to be unable 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:56.040 to burn messages into his eyeballs to send messages to 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:01.920 his any and then Recabi comes over actually to check 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:06.720 on him in the wake of the reintegration procedure that 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:10.640 he underwent. Nothing's really happening with that yet, Helena meets 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.160 with mister Drummond and Natalie and to talk about the 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:21.880 Calaminous Orbo. Dad would apparently be so troubled by the 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.120 events of the Orbo that he is being kept in 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.640 the dark about it, according to mister Drummond. And since 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:34.760 Mark is past eighty percent completion on whatever the Cold 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.640 Harbor project is, Helly's going to have to re emerge 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.840 back inside. No, she's going to have to go back 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:47.000 as Helly, not Helena, in order to keep Mark productive somehow, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:53.600 because Mark is apparently crucial to this project, and which 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.440 is important information that we've kind of been getting beforehand. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.440 And we also get the important I think something important 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.560 in the content of other stuff that happens in the scene. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.960 We'll talk about it. Also in the omnibus, we get 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:08.599 this moment where Helena refers to the innies as basically animals. 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.360 They're less than people. They're not people, they're animals. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:16.080 Yeah, which is harsh, harsh, but also telling. Okay, I 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.200 want to ask you a question about Helly Helena. 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.080 Yeah, because I saw a great video by I believe 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.440 it was my fang girl Frankie, just kind of talking 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:28.279 about like how even though Helena is you know, very 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.880 very complicit, very evil talking in this really harsh language, honestly, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:37.360 like can you blame her for like not wanting to 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.200 go back as Helly? And every time Helly wakes up, 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.320 she's like being strangled, being drowned, Like listen, it's definitely 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:50.679 an ale muged as a very interesting and complex character 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.799 in this show, which I wasn't expecting post the reveal. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.640 What's interesting about this show, in contrast to many other 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.520 Miss Your Box shows, and I would include lost in this, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:07.279 is that the mystery mechanic itself is actually fascinating to 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.960 think about, Like if you were severed, like if you 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.960 were hell Helena not Helen Helena, you'd be like, yeah, 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.679 fucking Helly's not a person, what do you kidding? 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:15.120 I'm me. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.960 That other me that's just inside is just like a fragment, 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.880 like kill them. Yeah, it's like a racism if it's necessary, 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.159 Like why are we even talking about this? I'm me? 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.920 And then when that fragment of me gone, I can 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.159 continue to live my life as normal, like why are 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:36.320 we even discussing this? So it is quite interesting. Back 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:40.680 inside Helly not Helena, actual Helly gets her first look 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.080 at Miss Wang and is like, what the fuck? And 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.440 at a meeting with Milkchick, we see that none of 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.800 the MDR crew is getting any of the info that 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:56.040 they need. After the ORPO, Helly learns that she's been 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.599 Helena for a while and that nobody knew the difference, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:05.400 and she's so confused and shaken by this. Dylan wants 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.960 to know where Irving is. Apparently on an elongated cruise voyage. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.080 His audi rather is an elongated cruise voyage and any 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.120 Irving is never to return. But Dylan wants more information. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.280 He's not getting it, and Mark is now paranoid because 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.160 he is like, Helly telling the truth? Now, is she 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.560 hit her? Is she? What is happening? 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:24.160 I have to say? 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.280 And also they had sex? 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.280 Yeah, ye was that exactly? And also I'm like, I 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:30.840 do feel like, come on, guys. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.960 From the beginning of watching this season, all of us 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.080 were like, maybe that's a light. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.640 Now like I feel like, you know, sometimes, it was 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.800 a great theory, it was a very common theory. It 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.080 was cool to see it paid off, and. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:44.440 I feel like it makes having us be in on 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.640 it in that kind of sense of kind of dramatic 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.760 irony to then be like yelling at the screen like Mark, 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.000 that is not Helly, that is not Helly, and then 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.480 have it pay off, and it makes it hard because 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.720 now well it makes it good to watch because now 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.720 you're on Helly's side. You're like, how did you not 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:04.520 really lies? If you're supposedly so? You know, together after 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:06.760 everything that happened with the OTC. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:12.640 Something interesting about the Helly about Helena referring to the 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:18.240 innis as animals. Helly. Of course the inny Helly is 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.360 in love with Mark. I think that's fair to say, right, 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.920 they feel very warmly for each other. I think what's 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:29.320 interesting is in episode two, mil Chick, when he's trying 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.439 to get Mark to come back, is like, you're any 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.600 Mark has found love and Mark's like, what it's like? Yeah, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.679 And though he can't he doesn't tell him anything about it. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.880 He's like, and those warm feelings will find their way 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.720 to you. You just have to find time for that 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.920 to happen. I thought that was really interesting. That's the 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.360 first time we've really ever heard about the concept or 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:58.160 the idea that your innies, life and emotions and emotional 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.960 well being and mental health can like affect your the 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.240 audie in any kind of way, and I think I 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.559 don't know, because I got to say, Helena kind of 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:13.800 contradicts that idea because she hates the innies. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.840 That's one of the greatest questions of this show because 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.679 with Irving there was like his dreams and whether that 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.000 was him communicating to himself or whether that was his 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.679 Outy's feelings coming in, So there is this kind of 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:30.559 potential spillover. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.560 But yeah, Helly is not Helly, Helena. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.480 Not feeling that that's not something she and also obviously 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.720 trying to get Mark to go back in. He is 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:45.280 clearly here the kind of like Luke Skywalker esque. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.319 They need him to do whatever that is. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.280 They need him for some some reason. 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:49.720 Good. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.600 He's good at MDR and he's crucial to this very 0:09:54.679 --> 0:10:03.240 very very humanity shaking. Apparently, Project call the Fucking Milchik 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.760 tries to chill everybody out by telling them the story 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:11.400 of King Charles of Sweden and his grax Schupin. I 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.600 am sorry to all the Swedish folks. If greg Schupin 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.679 being like a kind of uh like robe or a 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.960 cowl that commoners were and he would go amongst the people, 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.320 as many have noted, like basically like ancient undercover box 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.480 to learn what the vibe on the street was in 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.400 order that he could better rule in their with their 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:34.240 well being in mind, and basically suggesting, well, that's what 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.959 Helena was doing. You know, the Egan family the board 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.440 or in the wake of the uprising from season one, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.480 they're really interested in the quality of life that the 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.439 Innies have, and Helena was just trying to cut through 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.320 the bureaucras he cut through the red tape and you know, 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.360 learn the truth about what's going on down here in Lumen. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.679 And this story satisfies no one will have more on 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.640 the king amongst the commoner's trope in the I don't 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.720 know this. Back in MDR. The crew, who is it 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.640 just immediate, It was interesting to watch them like immediately 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:11.960 fall back into like a refining groove. They see that 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.560 they go to their workstations, and though they are all 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.320 in like different headspaces, and Dylan is super mad at 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:22.160 Mark and Helly is like it's trying to figure out 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.920 what Mark's thinking. They build, they all kind of fall 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.560 in line and begin working Milchick and this is interesting, Rosie. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.800 I think that one of the things that is definitely 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:33.480 happening is the board through Miltchick is trying to sew 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.720 is trying to rip piece the MDR crew apart, and 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:42.560 so paranoia and he they're two connected. He says, like 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:50.600 Dylan is complaining, you know, about everything, and Miltchick and 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.040 basically makes a sharp remark about Helena, and Miltchik says, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.760 you know, you got to watch what you say or 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.440 your special privileges might get provoked. And this you could 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.720 see that Mark certainly notices this is special privileges. What 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.920 does that mean? Dylan wants and Miltchick agrees to provide 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.079 a brief because Mark wants it very brief, and I'm 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.720 sure Miltchick wanted that also a very brief funeral to 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.720 memorialize Irving. And this is the first time we see 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.920 that Mark has this weird nagging cough. What is this 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.160 nagging cost? What is when did this happen? I know, 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.800 I'm very interested. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:32.520 In this because I think that the notion of what 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:37.439 the innies really are, or who the innies really are, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.840 or how the nis exist. As soon as you notice 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.160 something a little bit more human, like a cough or something, 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.040 you start to wonder, like, what is that? 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.600 Is it? You know, is this going to be some 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:50.480 kind of you know. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.720 Clone Wars style story about Mark and he's a clone 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.200 and the clone is slowly dying or becoming ill or aging, Like, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:06.600 I'm just so interested to see web this goes. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:12.079 Helly pulls Mark aside and is like are you good? 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.920 And Marcus you know, kind of stand offish, and then 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.240 Helly is like, could you tell it was? What was 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.480 she like? What was Helena like? And he's like, she 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.440 was like you, I don't know, Like I couldn't tell 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:25.400 the difference. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:29.200 Bro, don't admit it. Don't admit He's very, very freaked out. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.000 And of course he does not mention that they had sex. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.440 Miss Hwang meanwhile, and then here we get some more 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.880 perspective on how, at least how middle management views isn't 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.720 certainly we know the feelings of Helena and people above 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.439 middle management, but she is concerned that the funeral will 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:51.480 further personify the innies, make them feel like full people. 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.480 And then she flexes on Milchick and lets him know 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.320 that she knows that his performance review is coming up. 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.800 She's like, oh, so you've got your first performance review, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.600 and he is annoyed at this. At the funeral, Dylan 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.880 does eulogy. Miltchik, I think describes it fairly as a 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:13.560 little characteristically sharp but also a little uncharacteristically sweet. Wang 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.240 comes in with a cart that features Irving's head carved 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.720 out of a Malaysian black watermelon, and then she sets 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.680 up her terremin and like eager to begin playing her theremin, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:29.080 but Miltchik flexes back on her by basically canceling her 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.200 musical performance, and she's very by this. Mark is in 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.680 asshole mode. He is like five minutes at the funeral. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.680 He's ready to go, He's ready to go back to work. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:44.280 Dylan tells Helly because now he's mad at Mark that hey, 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.920 did you know that Mark was married to who oh 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:52.720 miss Casey? That's right? What Helly is like mind blown 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:59.440 by this. Mark then strongly rebuffs Helly and basically says, like, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.720 what's the U and all this plotting and planning we're 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.800 doing now in here when clearly everyone a rate against us, 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:10.080 including our audies, are much much smarter than us, and 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.560 they have the benefit of a more total picture of 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.120 what's going on. And by the way, I don't even 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:18.840 know if you're Helena or well who the fuck you are, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.840 and Helly's like, well, you have to trust me and 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.360 stop being an asshole please. He is really on asshole, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.120 He's I mean, I get it because I'm so shaken 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.720 right now. Natalie takes Milchick up to his review Milchick 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.640 and I thought was and this is one of those moments. 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.240 You know, people have been asking us cover the cover 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.200 the show, and I've always like been like, the show's good, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.320 I'm very interested in it. I thought the finale of 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.680 season one was like wow, Thick and like, this is 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.360 one of the scenes where man, the show continues to deepen, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.240 and it really interesting. Way is Milchick tries to connect 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:56.200 with over the fact that, hey, Natalie, you and I 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:01.600 are basically the only two black lumen employed in management 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.600 or higher How did you feel when you received the 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:13.640 cure paintings with you know, Papa Egan colored as a 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.960 black person, and Natalie is not interested in engaging in 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.880 this conversation, and this is a I was listening to 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:25.480 the official pod and Trammel, the actor who plays Milchick, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.720 talked about asking, like Ben and Dan Erickson, does Milchick 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.800 know he's black? You know, because the amount of severing 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.800 of the management of the Milchick and others is like 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:42.240 pretty unclear. But as we've seen from the Innies, while 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.040 they maintain something like the base personality of their audies, 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:50.320 they have very little other information to grasp and like 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.200 no context for a lot of stuff. They're very naive. 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.880 It's like, why a lot of this Like yeah, I. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.920 Mean when Helly fust be going back to season one, 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.720 the first episode, she seems to be the first person 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.639 who's been in there who's like, what the fuck is 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.480 going on? Like everyone else kind of naively just turns 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.680 up to work and does that thing and says, well, 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:11.280 we've got out. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.640 He's in Inni's and hell He's like, no, this is terrible. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:15.760 And that's before that. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.480 There just isn't really even that kind of acceptance that 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.600 being trapped in work for your entire life is. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.800 Messed up, you know, let alone connections with the actual 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:26.720 outside world. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.720 Yeah, it's like the like the orp Bow outdoor Retreat Team, 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.679 billion Currents and the other acronyms that like appear in 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.520 the show that feel like really unwieldy. I've been thinking 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.919 about it, and it makes sense from the perspective of 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.160 if you're an any and you don't know what stuff is. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.960 You don't know the meaning of things. You would need 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:49.280 these hilariously like long titles of things in order to 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.879 try and give you some kind of base context for 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:56.240 what you're taking part in. Dylan, meanwhile, back in the 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.400 funeral room, is lost in thought and he remembers Irving's 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.520 final word to him before the Glasgow block was removed 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.720 and he was essentially killed. Hang in there, and he 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.720 sees in the room the breakroom a poster with the 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.439 same words, and behind the poster is a note with 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.200 a sketch of the mysterious elevator and on the other 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:21.680 side directions to the elevator in the hilariously labyrinthine halways, 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.640 like how to navigate them. Mister Drummond runs the review, 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.639 which is going to take a long time, over four hours, 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.520 certainly to the point that like, here's a menu and 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:36.359 we're going to order food milk chick. On the surface, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.800 appears to be doing pretty good. He received the cure paintings. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.880 He received the cure paintings gracefully, says the report, which 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.880 I think suggests that the Egans understand that these are 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.040 offensive in some way and that they're purposefully offensive, like 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.240 we're trying to offend you. But will you just respec Yeah, 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.119 will you just will you just respond gracefully if we 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.800 offend you, then there's the issue with the paper He 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.080 never misses work. This is all the positives and he is. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.560 His blood tests show that he's not like smoking dope. However, 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:13.679 there is one dinah right, he's using too many big words. 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.040 Guilty is charged. He uses colloquial in his in his 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:22.520 attempted retort, he is not putting the paper clips on 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:30.119 the reports correctly. And most seriously, his management approach appears 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:35.320 to be a fiasco in the making. And we need 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:40.119 only look at the recent orpo Now this can't go on, 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.240 Drummond says, because like Mark is at eighty five percent 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.320 on Cold Harbor, and we got to keep you know, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.600 Cold Harbor, he says, is going to be like one 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.760 of the greatest breakthroughs in the history of mankind, which 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:56.639 is okay, like that's pretty big, stakes huge, Yes, sounds 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.960 pretty huge. So Miltchig is like, listen, I get it. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:00.920 I'm going to crack the whip from here on out 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:06.360 no more, mister Nyska. We see that after the funeral, 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.840 Audi Mark, and after his conversation with Helly, maybe his 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.120 the reintegration process is beginning to kick in, because there's 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.359 a moment where you see that maybe something happens and 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.160 his AUDI broke through maybe for a second. He goes 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.960 to the elevator. He's leaving work six minutes early, as 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.640 Milchik says. Milchick then invades his personal space and asks, 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.479 what's up? Why are you leaving? And how did you 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.840 like the funeral? Mark is in full like wise ass 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.959 student like talking back to the teacher. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:43.760 It's so interesting to see mak in this episode, like, yeah, 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:44.879 I'm intrigued. 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.840 Melchick then gets even like steps even further into his 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.960 personal space and is like, did you tell Helly that 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.800 you fucked her? Audi? Mark has absolutely nothing to. 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.919 Say, probably because he could. 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.960 Be the and this is the first time he's learning 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.600 of this. But it's unclear. It's not clear it's that, 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:05.639 but I think unclear. 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:07.560 That's how they want you to feel. They want you 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:08.359 to not know. 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:14.760 And I think that the introduction of Helena, we knew 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.280 it from the end of this season one who Helena was, 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.880 but the introduction of the idea and how he can 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.520 make it into Lumen, adds like an extra layer of 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:27.640 paranoia and strangeness and will I'm sure kind of lead 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:29.399 to whatever the big reveal is. 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.159 At the end of this season, he walks out of 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.760 the building and Helena is in the lobby kind of 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:41.679 watching him, unbeknownst to him, watching him leave. Devin is 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:46.640 dealing with her husband's now Lumen sponsored. 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.080 Writing crowd could you do this? 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:55.400 So she is furious about this. She's like, well, Lumin 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:59.000 hurts people, and like, yet you are gladly like helping 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.879 them hurt people. And He's like listen, And I do 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:06.439 empathize with him on some level somewhere. He's like, listen, 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.800 what's more important, like me getting my message out to 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:15.040 the widest audience possible, including enies, or like me just 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:22.440 continuing to be like a niche self help writer. And also, Honey, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:24.200 it's a huge Megan a. 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:28.680 Lot of money, Megan, a lot of money, a lot money, Mam. 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:30.080 I do think that this. 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:35.440 Is very interesting because yeah, I like the argument about like, oh, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.480 it's getting to the innies because then I'm like it 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.760 goes back to that conversation we were talking about about 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.800 like what information do they actually have? What are they 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.399 receiving inside, what connection are they Also, we know that 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.800 the severed floor of Lumen is essentially like a labyrinth, 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:55.040 So I'm interested to know how many people are down there, 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.639 how many people have been severed, how much of a 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:02.160 community of Innis are there, And yeah, obviously, like I 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:06.160 just think that Frickin is a legend, and I love 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:10.160 that they actually released the book. You can read it 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.280 as an ebook online. And I also just think that 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.680 it's kind of funny. This is a show that does 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.280 a really great job of bringing in. 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.440 A side character who is Ricken. 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.199 At first, Michael Channis, he seems like he's a kind 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:28.760 of comedy relief, can comedic, but actually in season two 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:34.160 he is becoming a really important kind of player. And 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.120 the idea that he's willing to sell out and hurt, 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.320 you know, potentially hurt the Innis or take money from 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:43.000 women who hurt people is a kind of a sinister 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.880 twist for him, and I'm I'm really interested in where 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:47.480 that goes. 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:51.680 It's a sinister twist and it's also like a very 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.880 I mean, this is the very real struggle of art. 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:59.639 It's the struggle of creators since the beginning of time 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:05.480 is like in order to make the projects create the 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:10.439