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Speaker 1: Man. First of all, Man, appreciate you for coming on that.

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Speaker 2: Man, this took too long, man, See it took way

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's it's like how long

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Speaker 2: you have been on for three four years something? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I supposed to be like second.

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Speaker 3: Third one of those seasons. Yeah, you was busy, Bro,

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Speaker 3: you was working. You was a GM, you was in

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Speaker 3: the G League, you in the big leagues.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know what I'm saying, Like you make you

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Speaker 2: make time for what you want to do, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean.

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Speaker 4: That's why you hear to that he finally made time

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Speaker 4: for his lady.

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Speaker 5: A k. A.

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Speaker 4: Remond.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, Man, we really appreciate you, Bron coming

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Speaker 1: on the show and rocking with us. Man, big fans

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Speaker 1: of your game. Man, we've been watching you since high school, well,

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Speaker 1: well since college. That's when I really got up on

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Speaker 1: you. You know what I'm saying. So, Man, I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you coming on the show. Bro.

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Speaker 2: Man cool man. You know, it's all love man especially.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get to it though, but you know how

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Speaker 2: me and Q first met, you know, hilarious though later

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Speaker 2: definitely gotta tell that when you.

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Speaker 1: First got to the NBA. Who's the first person to

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Speaker 1: bust your up.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it's a lot. It was a lot. My

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Speaker 2: first like NBA moment, like was preseason. We played against

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Speaker 2: Baron Davis and listen, listen. So we had Steve.

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Speaker 1: So what team he was with.

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Speaker 2: He was with the Hornets. So we played them somewhere

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, Alabama or something like that, and

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Speaker 2: Steve Fans is on the team. So I'm coming off

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Speaker 2: the bench obviously, right coach, like you know, like I

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Speaker 2: think BD had like pluck Steve like two times in

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Speaker 2: a row. So I'm on the bench like I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, I'm on a bench, like I'm a fan.

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Speaker 2: Still it's my first pre season game. So he's like

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Speaker 2: you mayor I'm like what He's like, get Steve. I'm

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Speaker 2: like right now, right, And then it was like two moments.

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Speaker 2: The next moment, the craziest was bo Outlaw and Earl

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Speaker 4: Together bo out laud of one man press.

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Speaker 2: So that was like the offensive like defensive bust my ass.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the NBA moments for me. He got selfed out,

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Speaker 2: so I was happy he got selfed out. Excuse but

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Speaker 2: you know what dope. But you know what, I was

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Speaker 2: looking forward to playing against him. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like in the regular season, throughout my career, you know,

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Speaker 2: we had some good battles. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 3: We live on location NBA Summer League twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: Las Vegas, Nevada. Know the blackest one with me. Every

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Speaker 3: time Man got he got his bucket cap with him. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you feel me? Listen, this is specially right now. I

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Speaker 3: got family man, old teammate, my main man, my player partner,

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Speaker 3: Jami and Nelson is in the building. Man, appreciate my

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Speaker 3: man pulling up on us. Man, Hey, look we are here.

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Speaker 3: Y'all see this. This is this different than the vibes

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Speaker 4: These vibe is crazy.

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Speaker 3: Man, y'all might hear the music and the vibes is

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Speaker 3: going on back whose side? Man, y'all can't see the

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Speaker 3: vibes were seeing, But it's vibes out here. It's the

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Speaker 3: vibes is vibing, and y'all might hear some of the

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Speaker 3: you know, doing this episode. It might be vibes vibing,

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Speaker 3: But just work with us, work with us, we can

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Speaker 4: Y'all. Just enjoy these types of sound with my main

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Speaker 1: Me Chester, Pa, where it all started.

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Speaker 2: All start.

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Speaker 1: Tell us like high school, Cuz, like we'll say you're

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Speaker 1: a late bloomer. Agree, you know what I'm saying, you're

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the story. So I was supposed

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Speaker 2: I ain't really care about AU. I didn't really care

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Speaker 1: Because I did both. I did both. Yeah, I understand

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Speaker 2: But I didn't want to. I was like, didn't since

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Speaker 1: Who put the rock in your hand? Like? Who putting

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Speaker 2: I mean might make Pop put me in every sport

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Speaker 2: I tried soccer. I mean I was so my sport was.

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Speaker 2: My sport was baseball. I was a better baseball player

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Speaker 2: when I grew up. I was a baseball player. Then

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Speaker 2: and all the all the newspaper clippings and all that.

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Speaker 2: Like whoever say they don't read that is bullshitting because

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Speaker 2: was you know what I'm saying. So, but I played

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Speaker 1: Chose not to go through the circuit. Yeah, you're just like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But when I seen them dudes that was ranked

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Speaker 2: And that's how I started to make my name. And

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Speaker 2: then I got on the U nineteen and that's really

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Speaker 1: How was you playing them? If you want to playing AU, I.

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Speaker 2: Played AU on a lower level, like a lower level team.

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Speaker 1: Like you run like you was running into guys. What

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Speaker 2: I ain't gonna see no names, listen, just go back,

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Speaker 2: aheading me on this.

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Speaker 1: Show and be like, yeah, Jamie and Nelson was one

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Speaker 4: Know this is the humble guy. You don't want to you.

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Speaker 2: Know, they know they know.

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Speaker 4: Tell me this. When you got to be a senior, Like,

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Speaker 2: Nah, I ended up being ranked one hundred, you know

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Speaker 2: then I go to college.

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Speaker 4: So wait, what was your what was your offers? Then?

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Speaker 3: If you was ranked one hundred, you went you obviously

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Speaker 3: you went to Saint Joe's, But like, what other offers

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Speaker 2: So I had all like the mid majors. My top

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Speaker 2: three was Saint Joe's, Temple, Saint Jose's, you Mass, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like Temple was always in the mix in

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Speaker 2: the final what eliteates sweet sixteen? U Mass was good

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. We did our thing.

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Speaker 1: Look, he wanted me to say to days, it's like

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Speaker 1: Like you chose that route and you a small point guard, right,

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Speaker 1: the NBA with the ultimate goal the NBA, or you

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Speaker 2: My ultimate goal was to get college paid for, and

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Speaker 2: like whatever happened after that was an incentive. Like my parents,

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Speaker 2: my folks can't afford for me to go to college.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm gonna go to college, be

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Speaker 2: the first one, you know, in my family to graduate

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Made a promise to my family

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Speaker 2: that was gonna graduate and all that, and I did it.

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Speaker 2: After that, like the NBA became real to me probably

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Speaker 2: after my sophomore year. I got Freshman of the Year

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Speaker 2: my freshman year, and I was like, whatever, you know,

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Speaker 2: I had a couple of dudes, a couple of agents

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Speaker 2: called me, you need to come out. I'm like, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I ain't ready for the NBA. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I want to have longevity when I make if I

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Speaker 2: make it. But once my work ethic picked up, that's

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Speaker 2: when I started to like see, Like I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is kind of real. You know what I'm saying

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Speaker 2: for my sophomore year.

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Speaker 1: For out the same Joe's though, I love your story.

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Speaker 1: Your story is one of the dovert stories in the

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Speaker 1: history of it, But like that's a hard belief, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and you killed every award, Like

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Speaker 1: that's why I really wanted to interview, because like these

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Speaker 1: these folks need to know how you busting these folks

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Speaker 1: as like real talk.

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Speaker 3: So what you just said is like you had you know,

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Speaker 3: you want to be the first one to graduated. They

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Speaker 3: have a lot to do with you going back after

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Speaker 3: you declared your junior year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So for me, it was like I was

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Speaker 2: being told I would be like late first round. So

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Speaker 2: and this is like real, real talk. I told my mom,

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Speaker 2: I told my pop, my agent, and my wife. Now

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Speaker 2: who's my girlfriend? Back in the day, I said, I've

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Speaker 2: been broke all these years. I can be broken more years, right,

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Speaker 2: Like I always felt like I was the best player

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Speaker 2: So we played for fifteen hundred dollars and I beat him,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we autsoide the park, So the gym for

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Speaker 1: You took that home.

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Speaker 3: I was wed tell me this for you that you

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Speaker 4: For you to win.

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Speaker 3: You know, y'all went undefeated, You win all those awards,

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Speaker 3: like the Cinderella story on Sports Illustrate.

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Speaker 4: All y'all was on magazines. But like, how did that feel.

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Speaker 3: Like at the end of the year, going back to school,

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Speaker 2: It was surreal and overwhelming at the same time, because

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Speaker 2: what I mean. Whatever, And then it's like you go

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Speaker 2: Everywhere I was out was grabbing awards. It didn't really

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Speaker 2: hit me until like ten years later. Yeah, because I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm the person that's involved, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: In my time out, I have a rebuttal. No way

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Speaker 2: it should have took ten years for him to hit

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Speaker 3: I've been to his house, whether it was mom or wife,

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Speaker 3: craziest trophy cases you will ever bear witness chat. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about big boy though, Like you ain't seen

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Speaker 3: many trophy cases. They got what I forget. How look

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about what's inside it. Man got next man

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Speaker 3: got trophy. I'm talking about it. I'm talking about think

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Speaker 3: about what I'm saying. How many people you know this

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Speaker 4: Was like somebody might get one.

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Speaker 3: Lad you hit like he just said he was on

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Speaker 3: the road for a month picking up what they all

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Speaker 3: was there, bro, Like we went there as a team.

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Speaker 4: One time we went out there as a team. He

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Speaker 5: Cool.

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Speaker 4: We carted it up.

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Speaker 3: Well, I say like that, Brad you I was pretty

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Speaker 3: good at college, buddy, A couple of things.

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Speaker 4: I took a couple of hours. I saw that shit.

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Speaker 2: I was like, we God, damn.

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Speaker 3: Me ain't rich, Like damn the boy got some he

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Speaker 3: got some hall we up man, Like you got to

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Speaker 3: think four years and then all that the accomplis like

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, Bro, I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: Boy, No, I'm the person that's in it. So like

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Speaker 2: like looking at stuff like reflecting, I'm like, damn, that

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Speaker 2: Then I'm like I can remember every single I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I know this about to happen. I know that's about

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Speaker 2: Like it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Delante. How did the chemistry and when

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Speaker 1: did you know? The chemistry with you and him was

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Speaker 2: So this is how it started. Like he came in

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Speaker 2: He couldn't shoot. I mean he was an okay dribbler.

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Speaker 2: I mean he just had a good IQ. He was

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Speaker 2: I'm a point guard on this team. We guarding each other,

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Speaker 2: It was like, all right, it's your turn. You knew

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Speaker 2: So I wasn't like let me force. I'm like, let

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Speaker 2: And then coincidentally, I think the next game I had

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Speaker 2: that good at a small school, especially when you're playing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how was your workouts?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: How many workouts did you have to go to? Because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was like me, So I did a lot, bro,

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Speaker 2: I did like probably like seventeen eighteen and you did

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Speaker 1: Probably like a twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah street. You gotta get it though, when you got

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Speaker 2: a small But this is the thing, though, and I

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Speaker 2: None of the dudes that was ranked higher than me,

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Speaker 2: had too much to lose.

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Speaker 1: They run from run, They run from that smoke draft

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Speaker 2: You gotta keep this image, you see. My senior year,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying though, I wasn't running from the smoke, like

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Speaker 4: You can't run no more but you. But that was

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Speaker 2: That's how you're supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, you never know you a

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Speaker 3: lot of times too, when that situation comes, it's not

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Speaker 3: it for the get smart business. Even if he want

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Speaker 3: to go at him, it doesn't make sense for me

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Speaker 3: to pit him against him because it can hurt them

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Speaker 3: to hear this man had he won the wood This

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Speaker 3: is all in one year. The Wooden Award, the Natesmith Award,

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Speaker 3: the Bob Coosey Award, the Rubber Award, the Oscar Robertson

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Speaker 3: Trophy Man. It was on the cover of Sports Illustrated,

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Speaker 3: the cover Red Meet Jamiir Nelson, the little man from

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Speaker 3: the little school that's beating everybody. You say, all left

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Speaker 3: to say, like you did everything you did and you

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Speaker 3: a lot of people need to understand because a lot

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Speaker 3: of times, like I was one of them, we in

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Speaker 3: the same draft.

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Speaker 4: He got drafted three. I get drafted eighteen.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to be a fucking lottery pick, and that

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Speaker 4: It's like you say I had a chip on my

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Speaker 4: that was me.

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Speaker 3: You know me, I know you. That didn't just appear

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Speaker 3: still went and had a long career, probably longer than

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Speaker 3: a lot of guys got went in from you, both

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Speaker 3: of us did. But just talk about what you took

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Speaker 3: you rememb when I got on saying he was one

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Speaker 4: He just fucking won and I didn't even win.

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Speaker 3: Nowhere near the awards went it was like, what are

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Speaker 3: they fucking miss it? Like this is absurd, Like just

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Speaker 3: mentioning it. Nobody there, no disrespecting nobody, but you did

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00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 3: what the fuck you did, right, and then how all

436
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,119
Speaker 3: of that played out in your experience.

437
00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,840
Speaker 2: So the thing is, you look at the draft, it's

438
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,640
Speaker 2: gonna be somebody, one or two people in that green

439
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 2: club every year that's disappointed because they should have been

440
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,399
Speaker 2: whatever and they dropped to the twenties. I looked at

441
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 2: it like, I ain't supposed to be here anyway, right,

442
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be here, but I'm really not right

443
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,640
Speaker 2: five to eleven from Chester, PA, forty thousand people, one

444
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 2: high school, not a big tom AAU player, not a

445
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 2: big time recruit, whatever. I'm like, yeah, I'm mad during

446
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,640
Speaker 2: the draft, but then like when I reflect, like maybe

447
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 2: a week later, I'm like, I put it on perspective.

448
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is what's supposed to happen. And now

449
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 2: fast forward as a father, it's a life lesson, right,

450
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 2: because think about this. I have a son started playing

451
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 2: basketball league. He wants to like go right for a

452
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 2: throut on, go right to hey you and do this.

453
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 2: I'm like, this ain't how you do it. This, We're

454
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,120
Speaker 2: gonna do it this way your time. I said, look, son,

455
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 2: you're going to be two hundred and fifty workouts ahead

456
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 2: of these guys when they're gonna be two hundred and

457
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 2: fifty games to hit of you. I said, at the end,

458
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,400
Speaker 2: we're going to see who's at the top. Let's see

459
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 2: who you measure at the end, not in the beginning.

460
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 2: And that's how I looked at it for my career

461
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 2: and I can pass it on to my kids. And

462
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 2: like looking at my son, he just transferred to TCU,

463
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: started at different school, smaller, you know, level, lower level,

464
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 2: but now it's like you in the Big twelve. I

465
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 2: never thought my son would being in Big twelve. You

466
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Pop, I never we all knew

467
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 2: he can play and do things, but it's like we

468
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 2: never as parents like dream to have aspirations for this

469
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 2: dude to be in the top level of college, let

470
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 2: alone like gms and scouts come talk to me about

471
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: my kid, you know what I'm saying. And it's all

472
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 2: because of like I think it's my experience that I

473
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: had during that time in the draft where it's like, Okay,

474
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 2: I got to make the best out of my situation,

475
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And like I said, I

476
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to be here. He started playing basketball full

477
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: time his junior year high school. You know what I'm saying,

478
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 2: So like, we got so many relatable things in our life.

479
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 2: He was a baseball player growing up, you know what

480
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like that was his sport. He wanted to

481
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 2: quit because he's like, you know, different reasons, you know

482
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So Like, I learned so much from

483
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: that draft and not being ranked. It don't really matter,

484
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: like what people think about you. And that's like I said,

485
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: it's life like, it is what it is. I get

486
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 2: the opportunity, get the opportunity of get you got to

487
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: be ready for it too. That's why I told him,

488
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 2: I said, we're gonna get these workouts in and you're

489
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 2: gonna be ready for your opportunity. You know what I'm saying.

490
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 3: How was it when you finally got your name called?

491
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 3: Like after you know that that night, you know you

492
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 3: sitting there, you watching all that Because I know how

493
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 3: it feels to be wishing and hoping and knowing you

494
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 3: should be at least, you know, at least a lottery pick, don't.

495
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 3: I didn't know what number I felt I should have been,

496
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: but I got taken eighteen. I just remember like when

497
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 3: that shit find me happened, I was like, you.

498
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: Do something number you wanted to be?

499
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: Oh no, I want to be top teen. I didn't

500
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 3: know number one. It won't be number one. But I'm

501
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: just saying that wasn't realistic to me. I'm just saying, like,

502
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 3: when you get to that point, it's a realistic. I

503
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 3: didn't have a number, but I was just like, boy, lottery,

504
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I just know I need

505
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 3: to be lottery. And for that fourteenth pick went back.

506
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: I wanted to get up and lead the green room. No, lie,

507
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: I wanted to get up in great leader green room

508
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: and I held it together. But like, how was that

509
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 3: for you? Like after because you got picked twenty so

510
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: it's like you're watching nineteen.

511
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 4: That's a long time. At this point, he was.

512
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 3: The highest high school guy ever he's.

513
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 2: Supposed to be.

514
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you don't know what the type of

515
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 3: grief we was going through, you know what?

516
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: It wasn't even for me like when my name got called.

517
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: It was when I walked across the stage and okay,

518
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: yeah and god rest of this shook hands with Stern.

519
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, all that's that moment, we just looked at

520
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 2: you know, I mean like like, all right, this this

521
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: is real, you know what I'm saying, Like so all

522
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: the stuff that like that I felt when I was

523
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: sitting down there mad, like I know them dudes wasn't

524
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: better than me. I know, I know, like out of

525
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: nineteen of those dudes, I can say, you know, like

526
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: they all got drafted whatever, you know, kudos to them,

527
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 2: but I can tell like, yo, this dude is not

528
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: going to be better than me. And most of them

529
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: nothing against you. They was from high school. That was

530
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: a year. I think it might have been like nine

531
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: totten dudes from high school that went in front of me.

532
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Some of them were good,

533
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: but most of them wasn't. And they showed you like

534
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: sometimes you just got to take the talent you can't

535
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: Like I was told like, yo, we're too old. You

536
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: maxed out, you can't get better. I was like, I

537
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: don't understand that. I ain't forty fifty.

538
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: They says you're too old.

539
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:32,239
Speaker 5: Bro.

540
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: The point that was at that point, that was the thing.

541
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: If you was a you shouldn't be a four year senior.

542
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 3: At this point, they looked at me crazy because I

543
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: was a sophomore. This was the time when sixteen six

544
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: nine six athletic wing from high school. They was trying

545
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: to find the next KG the next year, the next

546
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 3: t Man Kobe. They and they didn't want to pass.

547
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: So like when everybody came out, sometimes they just took

548
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: somebody because they didn't want to miss one guy.

549
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 4: And that's what that was. People was being victim of

550
00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 4: that bro.

551
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: Just kept going to I was like seeing dude as

552
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 2: the dude that to do that, the dude.

553
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: You see that this year though, because you see the

554
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: gu every year. You got from Kentucky, uh, Timmy from

555
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: from from Gazaga. It's a lot of nice big men.

556
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: But if you ain't the big men.

557
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, the buddy was the player of the year in Kentucky.

558
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, and he you know, they passed over

559
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: and he didn't even get picked, none of them.

560
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: You'm in the front office. I can't say much about

561
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: that though.

562
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot your rank and I can talk about

563
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: this though. You got picked by the Magic City, beautiful man.

564
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 4: Was that your first time, Dawayne Reedy, that's inside.

565
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: Hold on before we get to the Magic was it

566
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: anybody that you thought you had a good workout against

567
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: since you worked out so good that he was like, yeah,

568
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna.

569
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: I thought Miami was gonna take me. The Miami was

570
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: gonna take me.

571
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: And what number did they have?

572
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: I think they had like eighteen or nineteen. I think

573
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: they might have called they took they took the right.

574
00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: Who had.

575
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: Like my man, yeah right, you know I mean, but

576
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: the rest of them jokers, you know what I mean.

577
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 2: I thought Miami would take me, but they didn't. And

578
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: then and then it's crazy. So Denver picked me, right,

579
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: So Denver picked me, and my agent was like, well,

580
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: we know you ain't going to Denver before they picked me,

581
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: said we know you because you ain't send back the

582
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: psyche evaluation thing I send it back to. I was like, man,

583
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: I ain't going to Denver. I ain't going. I'm like,

584
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: I ain't even gonna fall today today, you know what

585
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: I mean. So, and I was surprised so that it

586
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: brought like the excitement back because I didn't expect my

587
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: name to be called them. But Swanny older Smith is like, look,

588
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: we were trying to they were trying to trade for me.

589
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: They were trying to trade for me. After five he

590
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: said five on back they tried to trade for trade up,

591
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: for you to try to trade up. So he said, man,

592
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: look outside of number one, we would have taken you

593
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: anywhere in that draft. And I believe I believe him too.

594
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't when that was your first time

595
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: being in Onlando. When you went to London, it ain't

596
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: know nothing about Rorlando. So it was we dirt roads. Yeah,

597
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: my first crib I lived there was in Metro West.

598
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean, it's what metro You

599
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

600
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: Hell, I lived in Metro West because they took me

601
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: to window Mare and it was all dirt rolls and

602
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't live in the dirt roads,

603
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, man, it's different, Like

604
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: even when I left, it was different. But like I

605
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 2: can't imagine now.

606
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: How was it for you in that the old school

607
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 4: of the old Ringa Because I could always remember, like

608
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, y'all had like a cool

609
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: little vibe down there, like you know what I'm saying,

610
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 4: family vibe, But like y'all it used to be popping

611
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: in there, Like how did you feel like early early

612
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 4: early days playing up in there.

613
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: Well, especially like when we were there. I don't know

614
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: how it is now. I'm sure it's the same, but

615
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: it just was so family oriented, like in terms of

616
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: the organization still like yeah, like everybody was accepted for

617
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: who they are and like they looked out for each

618
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: other and all that stuff. And then the fans were

619
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: like they didn't expect much, you know what I mean.

620
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: Especially when I got there, we were like rebuilding, so

621
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: it just came to the game and you know, at

622
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 2: the time, it was really nothing else going on in Orlando,

623
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: so it was like the Magic's and Mickey, you know

624
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And if you ain't going to Disney,

625
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: you come into a magic game, you know what I'm saying.

626
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: And then it just kept going and going. We kept

627
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: building and building and winning. So throughout my career there,

628
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: like I don't know if a dude probably like I

629
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: can't say somebody had a better experience for a ten

630
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: year spand in one spot other than like a Kobe

631
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: or a Dirt like you know, the real huge superstars,

632
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, somebody like my statue.

633
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if somebody was like.

634
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: This is what he's trying to explain to you ladies. Jump.

635
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 3: He was aka the presidente of Orlando. Like when I

636
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: got there, this was the guy. You want to know

637
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: something that jam and Jami and Jamil. You want somebody

638
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: talked Jamia, Jami and Jami. You want somebody did it right?

639
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: Jamia and Jamiir he was the president. I never did

640
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: it no wrong around time.

641
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: At the time I was endorsed by Rebunk, So my

642
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: reebok Rep was like, Yo, He's like, look and we

643
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: is in Philly Bubba Chuck you know, Ai and a

644
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: bubble Chuck and had I was like what he said? Yeah,

645
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: he keep this club open. If I was with him

646
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: or whatever, I was like, Yo, we're gonna stay up

647
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: until four o'clock. He like, he ain't gonna happen. Dude,

648
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: get on the mic, yo, Mayor said, we said over.

649
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: The president too.

650
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: He used to have to look weekend every time before

651
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 3: the season, if everybody come out, what was the ground?

652
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: What was the ground? Jump Man? This man was having

653
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 3: crazy shit going on. So so it was like, what

654
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 3: was it? Me explain it man.

655
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: So so I had a thing like you know how

656
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: teams go different places? Now like I ain't gonna take credit.

657
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: But I kind of pioneered it, you know what I'm saying.

658
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: And I did it myself, Me and my agency, you know,

659
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: people that work that worked along with me. Call everybody, Hey,

660
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: we're gonna work out for a week. Need you to come.

661
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: I pay for everything, like, pay for the flight, pay

662
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: for the hotel. We're gonna we're gonna work out. You're

663
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: gonna do my workout, whether it's basketball, box and swimming.

664
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: Then we're gonna have fun. We're gonna go paintball. We're

665
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: gonna restaurant. We just kicking for baseball, game on the field,

666
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: taking VP, all that club, whatever you wanted to do.

667
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: Like if you said I needed this, that and the other,

668
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find a way to get it for him, right,

669
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And whatever. So that was

670
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: how like all that started. Like I always looked at

671
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: myself as the leader of the team, you know what

672
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I looked at myself as the leader team,

673
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: as a leader, like you got to show dudes that

674
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: you're vulnerable. You gotta show dudes that you invested in them,

675
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: you sacrifice or something. Yeah, Like and it wasn't about

676
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: the bread. It was like I'm invest my time in you.

677
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: And it was also like it was like a trick.

678
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: I got to get these dudes in shape because we

679
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: got to get off to a good start in the

680
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: beginning of the season most definitely, you know what I'm saying.

681
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: So it ended up ended up working.

682
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, coming in with Dwhite and

683
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: I know you've seen you came in with other players

684
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: and players that you've been watching your whole career in

685
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: front of you coming in with Dwight. Did you did

686
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: you see that combination working?

687
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to take them at first, you

688
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like honestly, like we were too

689
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: we come from two totally different backgrounds, right, and he

690
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: was young and like I was older. This is high school,

691
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: Like I already got a kid, you know what I'm saying.

692
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: And then I think, like week one, we started the

693
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: bond and then I'm like, all right, I can you

694
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I can hang with this dude,

695
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: I can we can help each other out. But the

696
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: on the course stuff started happening probably the next year

697
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: when I started getting real minutes. I'm like, I never

698
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: played with a real big man like that, Like I

699
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: had some good big men in college. But this dude

700
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: was like my favorite thing about him early was the

701
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: dude can run and he can catch. I'm like after that,

702
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: like we're gonna figure it out. You can throw and

703
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: bounce past his chest, passes over the top, whatever. His

704
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: hands was crazy. Hands was crazy. And then defensively tell

705
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: people all the time they like because they see the

706
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: white as silly and playful and joyful. The dude was

707
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: the smartest defender I've ever been on the team. With

708
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: what I told you, bro, the smartest defender.

709
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: I said, say what you want to say, easily one

710
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: of the highest IQ's I've ever been around. And not

711
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: only that, the skill and that lesson, like talk about

712
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: how many times but I took This was one of

713
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: the things that when I first came and played with

714
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: the Magic and was like, god damn, I played with

715
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: some you know, some cool athletic big dude. I ain't

716
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: never seen a real center name somebody from that time,

717
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: whether it was CP Dan with whoever you want name.

718
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: He then popped out on that picking roll and poked

719
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: it on that and start over the ball over there.

720
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: He didn't got there and he ain't gonna stay. Everyone

721
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: but I'm talking about for him to be what he

722
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: was and get out because he'd get up, you know,

723
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: he poked. I'm like, boy, I just got a poke

724
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: on him.

725
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: But that that you gotta give a standing credit for

726
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: that too. Staying taught him the right way and taught

727
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: him the right way. But the white hat, the white

728
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: had to like he had the skill to do whatever

729
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: you wanted him to do. Spoke on him when he

730
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: had it was crazy, Like we beat on defense. Like

731
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: so I'm obviously all top and I just hear him

732
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: talking the entire time. Watch it back, don't this happened?

733
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: And that happened, And like the next thing, you know,

734
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: like we start doing it as a team. You look

735
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: at you look at our numbers, like we was top

736
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: five in defense every year, definitely, and it was because

737
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: of him and stand and we just all had to

738
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: fall in line. You add pieces like Q and this

739
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: guy that guy of course, but like d White was

740
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: the dude, like you know what I mean. It's funny.

741
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: Somebody asked me today, like the one of our trainers

742
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: with the six Ers, he was like, man, you always

743
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: talking about defense. I watched the play where you got

744
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: off the way, I said, yeah, I said, I got

745
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: off the way because big fellow was coming. So the shot, right,

746
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: I said. My job was to stay in front as

747
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: long as I could. I ain't blocking the shot. I

748
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: get out of the way.

749
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: When I first came to the team, though, I had

750
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: to learn to not to stop fuc Remember I had

751
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know me, bro, I'm not You're just

752
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: not gonna be if I see you then beat me

753
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: and something.

754
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: I just take a whole all one for you, just go.

755
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: I did that a couple of times, and it's like

756
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: I say, the solo clips, it'll be a time like

757
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: as I'm fouling big fella in the you know the best,

758
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: like I'm talking about out the whole time. No, he

759
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: just hit the whole backboy to be like, don't do like,

760
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: let me off, gonna get that did it? I had

761
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: to learn like okay, okay, I could kind of somebody

762
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: get a step on. You go ahead and lead them

763
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 3: down at prim roads and they fell about the what

764
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: My job.

765
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: My job was to stay in front of my guy,

766
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: and today was about to shoot the ball at the basket.

767
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: I ain't blocking nobody shot. Yeah, you look at some

768
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: clips and me playing defense I'm out of bounds when

769
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: he blocking the shot because I know he's coming and

770
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: if I don't get out of bounce, he's gonna hurt me. Yeah,

771
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: Land you know what I'm saying. So he was a

772
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: special dude man, Like people said they want he definitely

773
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: topped seventy five, You definitely top I don't you know,

774
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: you could take any one of those dudes out of

775
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: it or whatever however you want to say it. Like

776
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: I don't get into the whole rankings thing, but he's

777
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: your top seventy five. It's crazy that that, you know

778
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I don't know why he's not,

779
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: but like it's crazy that he's not.

780
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: For the organization to believe in. You, Like, tell us

781
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: about your first start.

782
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: And then so so so my rookie year, like I

783
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: started like after the all start breaking a little bit

784
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: and then it was like I'm playing against like higher

785
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: level guy, everybody high level the NBA. But when you

786
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: play against starters, it's different.

787
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: You know.

788
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: Different when yeah, when they got they got that film

789
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: on that film on, like he didn't he liked to

790
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: go right, come up the pick and roll, do this,

791
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: that and the other.

792
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: It's different. So what I did was I kept a journal.

793
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Who I played against, what

794
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: they like to do, what they don't like to do,

795
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: what I can do against them, all that stuff. And

796
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: then it just started, like I started just becoming a

797
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: student in the game, like not just hooping and working out.

798
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, I got to actually watch basketball

799
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: when it's on different channels on you know, TV or

800
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I used to go to

801
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: the Lakers games when we go to l A. I

802
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: used to go to the Clippers game and we go

803
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: to LA because I'm like, I gotta watch this live.

804
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It was time when I started,

805
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like brought me along slow.

806
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Whether some people in an

807
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: organization are probably you know, I'm sure they did, Like

808
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: I have reservations, whether I was a starter or you know,

809
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: a dude that comes off the bench. Once they gave

810
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: me the keys, I didn't look back. You know what

811
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm like, Okay, tell people all the time, like, yeah,

812
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: I could have averaged eighteen nineteen twenty points, I didn't

813
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: need to. I had to get this dude, involved, I

814
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: have to do this, you know what I'm saying. Not

815
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: this era, Yeah, but this is the thing though, Like

816
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: coming out of college, everybody like, well, we don't know

817
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: if he can be a point guard because I scored

818
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: a lot. You know what I'm saying, Bucket, I'm like,

819
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you I can be a point guard.

820
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: But I can score when I'm ready to score too,

821
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

822
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: The best player ain't always the one who be the leader.

823
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: Like what made you feel like you the one had

824
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: to step up and be a different kind of leader.

825
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: I think it just for me got credit for that.

826
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like I never looked for credit.

827
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: Who ain't why I played the game. You know what

828
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's not why I'm working in the front office.

829
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, That's not why I do

830
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: what I do. But like it was natural for me,

831
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And then I was pushed

832
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: by oldest again. He was like, you gotta think back

833
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 2: in the day, I gotta lead Stacey Augman, I gotta

834
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: lead total Tea, Grant Hill, Pat Garrity, like I gotta

835
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: lead some vets they looking for me to lead. Once

836
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: I once I really like I knew I can lead,

837
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: but once like Ice stay talking, like come on, like

838
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 2: we need you to lead, you know what I'm saying,

839
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: Like you get a real vet, patch you on the

840
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: back and tell you to lead, Like like Stacey deserves

841
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: a lot of credit for me being a leader. You

842
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Every time I see him, my

843
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: telling that, you know what I'm saying, just because it's

844
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: like plastic man, like like that's my guy, you know

845
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like yo, you like you're gonna be good,

846
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: just we need you to take that step. I took

847
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: that step doing this, doing that telling people, and he listened.

848
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: Everybody listen. And it's like if Ice listen, everybody gotta listen.

849
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So then it just became

850
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: like I said, it was always natural, but then it

851
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: just it just became easy. Leader is not easy. It's hard. Leader.

852
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: It's the hardest position on the team. Always be on pin.

853
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: But the thing about it, exactly what he said, how

854
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: he said it is natural, like like you either are

855
00:36:59,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: you ain't?

856
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

857
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: It's one of them things and like how he's saying,

858
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: it's natural, like that was what he was meant to

859
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: do from inception, Like you know what I'm saying, Like

860
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: when I got to the team, you knew who was

861
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: in control and who was running things. It had It

862
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: had zero to do with who the franchise was. Everybody

863
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: knew the franchise was the best PLA. But everybody knew

864
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: who the post of the team was, who the heartbeating

865
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: team was and who You know what I'm saying from

866
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: the fans to everybody else, it was no mystery or

867
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: no secret, Like you know what I'm saying, tell me

868
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: this was like being there from like you said, you

869
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: got that y'all rebuilding. How was it when y'all made

870
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 3: that first playoffs in O seven O way? Like when

871
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: y'all got there, Like what was the city feeling like?

872
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: What were y'all feeling like as far as like just

873
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 4: like where y'all were and where y'all were on y'all

874
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 4: way to.

875
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we played Detroit and again learning I learned

876
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: how to play post defense that series playing against Chauncey Billups.

877
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: That's how I learned how to play post defense. And

878
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: then I learned Chauncey was only looking to post me up.

879
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: He wasn't even looking to score. He's looking to post

880
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: me up a foul. So then every year I would

881
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: play against him, I learned more and more and I

882
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: was able to compete at a higher level versus you

883
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You know, I would take some

884
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 2: of the stuff that I learned from, like Chauncey and

885
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: other guys that were older that I played against, and

886
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: put it in my game. Like I watched a ton

887
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: of Steve Nash, you know what I mean, back back

888
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: in the day. You got to learn how to play

889
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: pick and roll in my era, Like who was the

890
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: best pick and roll point guard? You know what I'm saying,

891
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: The hardest due the guard in the pick and roll Steve,

892
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, called and I said, Steve,

893
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: I need to work out with you. He's like, oh, man,

894
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: come on play soccer. I was like that, But what

895
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: he was trying to do was trying to get me

896
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: to get my footwork right. And I was like, man,

897
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: I don't even trying to. I didn't go. You know

898
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like going back to the question, is

899
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: like you just learned so much from that year. You

900
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, you learn, like, okay, we can

901
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: we can push strough because we weren't even supposed to make

902
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: the playoffs a year. I don't know if you know

903
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: how it is you're still rebuilding if he was supposed

904
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs, but we did and we just

905
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: kept going.

906
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 3: Give me your first the impressions of Turk when Turk

907
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: came to the team and english Man Bro, listen, look

908
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: when you saw the episode we had bro like when

909
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: he got we got drafted together, he knew ship zero.

910
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: Every time the rt P b R.

911
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: T P no lie. Every single time. He like, if

912
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: they asked him a question before he starts for he

913
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: would say he would do that for about four or

914
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 3: five seconds. And my tea used to be and they

915
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: was laughing. He said, you know, every time they started.

916
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: Love he said, birstday ever he was.

917
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: I was like and it was at a point because

918
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: me and Mike real he said, he's like you and

919
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: Mike Rerid was the only one who threw any time.

920
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: It was like we were like, hey man, y'all got

921
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: both of us. Was like, you know, Schooney was was

922
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 3: red teammates type of him.

923
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 4: Like, y'all got what changes. Y'll got easy, bro, like

924
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: it got because it was bad. It was like you

925
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 4: was his teammates.

926
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: Just tell him, like how when he came to the

927
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: team what type of dude he was?

928
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 5: Bro?

929
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 4: Turk was classic, Bro, he.

930
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: Was the dude like like I said, once he learned

931
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: more English, he became like one of my coolest teammates.

932
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: And it was because one he was really good, but

933
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: two he ain't really care man Like he ain't really care,

934
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: Like he ain't care like what you thought about him,

935
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: what you think about He didn't care.

936
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: Like like stuff everybody else was he.

937
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: I mean, Turk was in his own world but like

938
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: like even on the court, like it didn't matter. Like

939
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: that's what made him so good. You know what I'm saying, Like,

940
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: go turn the ball over three four times in a

941
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: row and then hit the game, win the shot.

942
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: Because he not hes not gonna look over his show.

943
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: He's not gonna look see what the coach saying. We

944
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 3: don't care what you saying. And if you say something,

945
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: he say something back to your as like bro, you're out.

946
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: Like Turk was like, that's.

947
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: What I never gotta cut you. I'll never forget, I

948
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: said Turk, and I tell anybody, Yo, man, that's a

949
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: horrible shot. Give me a better shot. Get the fuck out.

950
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, Turk, give me. I said, I

951
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: don't care if you shoot the ball, right, but take

952
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: a better shot.

953
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

954
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: He's like, I got you, bro. You know what I'm saying.

955
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: He understood and what.

956
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 3: He just said speaks so loudly to what like when

957
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: we had him on the show, bro, it was like

958
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: the entire world had never known Turk's personally was like Yo,

959
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: the comments and everything was like, it speaks to what

960
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: you just said when he got you there, he ain't

961
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: no no halish everybody kind of like, man, he learned

962
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 3: English from black people.

963
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: Everything he seemed like his references, yo, bro, like the

964
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 4: way he talked.

965
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: I got a story about Turk. So Turk, we're driving

966
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: from somewhere on Ie for right, had a porch truck.

967
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: So we drive him and pass the side whole ride.

968
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: Are you here.

969
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: Like that?

970
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 5: Right?

971
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: So he riding on the whole way. So I'm sitting

972
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: there just like there's like a ten minute ride, right,

973
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: I don't really know we actually coming from an event.

974
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: I don't really know him like that, right, so I

975
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: finally like, I look over him, like you're gonna move over.

976
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: I didn't even know, bro, and he moved over, and

977
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: it's like it's the whole time. Man again. He don't care.

978
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: He was We're playing music. I'm sitting there. It's drives

979
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: me crazy. Him he's just driving in his mod.

980
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: Yo, listen tell him how classic stand in turn They

981
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: standing in turch, Bro, when I tell you, it was

982
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: never it was like y'all love each other, but y'all love.

983
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: It was like who. It was like who was gonna

984
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: give up first, or like who can push the other

985
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: one further? And we'd be like Turk always gonna lose.

986
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: It's gonna lose to the coach. So we all like,

987
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: come on, Turk, like we could warm up. We couldn't

988
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: get practiced started.

989
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 4: He told Stan was on here.

990
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: He told the story about how he was doing like brother,

991
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: no line, we would be practicing right, we would be

992
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: doing the thing.

993
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 4: Remember, he was saying, we're gonna do it every fucking time.

994
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: Where this site is gonna go on.

995
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: I don't get I.

996
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: Can be here. I don't care, you know what, you

997
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: know what's crazy. He was already there all day you're

998
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 2: gonna be there for two and a half hours, right,

999
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: but you're gonna be there for maybe three and a

1000
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: half hours until tur go hard, no, no, listen. Automatically,

1001
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: it's automatical. This is like you get into the gym,

1002
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna do twenty twenty. You're gonna do like some

1003
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: type of walk through because he's gonna put a new

1004
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: play in every every day. Then you get warmed up

1005
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: and where turkey and getting warm, and then you practice

1006
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: and then after you still get some shots up like

1007
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: you're pro. But he like, look, i ain't got nothing

1008
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: to do. I'm gonna be here all day, got the

1009
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: diet coke down in the middle.

1010
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 4: And as that was what I loved about him.

1011
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 3: He'll tell you, as a matter of fact, the exact,

1012
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: absolute fucking truth. No matter what he'd tell you, he

1013
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: ain't nothing. That's what I love about him. You can't

1014
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 3: somebody whos gonna shoot it straight, and he does. He

1015
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: don't know how to do shit straight.

1016
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: My favorite staying moment, like for myself, was we're playing

1017
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: against the nets, so we up about thirty. It's when

1018
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: the nets wasn't that good, right, So we're up about

1019
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: thirty and d Will.

1020
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: You know.

1021
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: D Will was like d Will Now like people don't

1022
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: don't like, don't forget about him, like one of them

1023
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: top dudes. So he made three threes on me in

1024
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: a row standing selling me out. So I say, and

1025
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: the one thing about staying. Everybody he yelling scream but

1026
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: you can yell and scream at him back, but it's

1027
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: no consequences. So we're going back and forth. He like,

1028
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's my fault. That's my fault. He like, nah,

1029
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: he's just kicking your ass. So so look, so as

1030
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: a as a competitor, I gotta say something back. I

1031
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: don't know at the time what I'm gonna say, right,

1032
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: So he said, he he's just kicking your ass. So

1033
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: I said, man, fuck you like that? Right, I go

1034
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: in the locker room. I'm mad. I'm like, I'm mad.

1035
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm more mad at staying saying

1036
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: that or I just gave up three threes, right, I

1037
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: don't know which one of them. So I come out

1038
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: the locker room. He looked down. You ready. I'm like, like,

1039
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: I just started laughing. You know what I'm saying. But

1040
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 2: it's a point, like he gonna tell you the truth.

1041
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: Truth he ain't especially in the basketball game in the

1042
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: film session, like he gonna tell you the truth.

1043
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 4: You don't know no other way. That's why you had

1044
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: to respect it.

1045
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: You had to bro like if it wasn't for staying

1046
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: like it's a gift in the curse my IQ. I

1047
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: already had a pretty good i Q, but my understanding

1048
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: of the game and different nuances of it, it just

1049
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: kept going higher and higher. So when I got to

1050
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: other coaches later in my career, I'm like, it ain't

1051
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: gonna work.

1052
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: That ain't gonna work.

1053
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna work. But I would still do it

1054
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: knowing it's not gonna work because I know what to do.

1055
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: I know what work. You know what I'm saying, I

1056
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: know what work.

1057
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: Tell me about Sweet Liu Man, sweet Little that's my guy. Man.

1058
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: It's like it all fit with him in Turkey, y'all

1059
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: and when y'all got that combination and when they chose

1060
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: to bring Sweet Lou from Seattle man over there, I'm.

1061
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: Gonna tell you about this, right, So they bring Sweet

1062
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: Lou when I'm his host, like they like we did,

1063
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: like coyl I ain't never seen in the NBA. I'm

1064
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: his host for free agency. Right, So we go to Morton's,

1065
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: we go eat and everything that. Because when we eat

1066
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: and everything whatever, go back to my crib in Metro West.

1067
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: We're hanging out. Next day, they like they're gonna offer him,

1068
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: you know. So I was like, man, how they gonna

1069
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 2: pay me?

1070
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: I call Oldest?

1071
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: I said, Yo, I really like Rashard, Like, you know,

1072
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I really appreciate it everything. You know. I know,

1073
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: I think I can fit with them. You know, we

1074
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: bond well and everything. I said, I ain't getting into

1075
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: nobody pockets or anything. But how y'all gonna pay me? Like,

1076
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: I was like, do I need to ask for a trade?

1077
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm just me and Oldest going back and forth. He's

1078
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: just started laughing. He's like, Nah, now we're gonna figure

1079
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: it out. Right. So this happens in the summer obviously, right,

1080
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: So I'm going through the summer. I'm like, I don't

1081
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: know what's about that happening, you know what I'm saying,

1082
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: I don't know how the NBA right, Right, So we're

1083
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: working on the deal. Once training camp start and all that.

1084
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: I go through the whole summer with no no extension

1085
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: and everything. I'm like still like, ask my agent how

1086
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: they gonna pay me. You know what I'm saying. They

1087
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: gave the White his extension. You know what I mean,

1088
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: he's supposed to get it. This guy got paid. Man.

1089
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: I signed my deal today the first game of the season.

1090
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 4: Man.

1091
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: I was so nervous that first offer they gave me, right,

1092
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: I told my agent I take it. He said, no,

1093
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: let me do my job.

1094
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: The first off it was.

1095
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: It gave me too. It was five years thirty three

1096
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: or three years twenty seven. So I don't come from

1097
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: money to take the five years.

1098
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 4: I'm good.

1099
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,479
Speaker 2: I gotta say somebody agent said let me do my job.

1100
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, let me do my job.

1101
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: So the cool thing was like this, this is some

1102
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: crazy stuff. So we you know, I mean, we used

1103
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: to go to mister de boss crib. So we go

1104
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: to miss the Boss crib. This is actually after practice.

1105
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: I go to Otis office. He like, just because you

1106
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: came in here actually was first offer was like five

1107
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: years thirty I go in his office. He said, just

1108
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: because you came in here, I give you two extra

1109
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: million of your deal. Right. So I was like, oh man,

1110
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: I'm in there, like I'm really about to sign this day.

1111
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: I ain't about to. I ain't about to call my agent,

1112
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I'm thinking, like, should

1113
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: I sign it or should I call my agent? Call

1114
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: my agent? He said all right, he said, good, good job.

1115
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1116
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: Whatever.

1117
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: So we go to mister devass house. I have a drink.

1118
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: You know, I have another drink. I'm over there like fidgeting.

1119
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I said, otis closest thing

1120
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,959
Speaker 2: you can get me to forty. I'm signing the deal.

1121
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: He get on the phone, he called wherever we have

1122
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: to call. He got me to thirty eight, right with

1123
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: some incentives. I called my agent. I said, the deal

1124
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: is done. He said, what you do? I said, I

1125
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: got into thirty eight. We're gonna work on some incentives.

1126
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: Y'all can work that out. But the number is thirty eight. Right.

1127
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: Figure the rest. We figured the rest out. I was

1128
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: so happy.

1129
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 4: Man shut it up, Man up. It was enough for us.

1130
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 4: About eight oh nine. When you get to be an

1131
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 4: all star in Shaw it in Big Big Dwight, making.

1132
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: Should have been an all star too.

1133
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: And that's by the should have been.

1134
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: It's bs because they all deserved it in Detroit when

1135
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: all five of them did it, right, So people like, well,

1136
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: they can't get four in I'm like, well, Detroit had

1137
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: five and when they were the number one team, I

1138
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 2: think we was the number one team in the NBA.

1139
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: How can we not as being in that market. I

1140
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: guess you know what I'm saying. But it was crazy,

1141
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: Like you look, it's crazy.

1142
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: I just want to make a note that I love

1143
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: the fact that as soon as I said the fact

1144
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: that he made off, Turch should have made too before

1145
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: he got the address himself.

1146
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: That's real. Ship go ahead.

1147
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: But this is the thing, right. So for myself, it

1148
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: was like, if you look at my stats, probably the

1149
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: first twenty games of the season, bro I was shooting

1150
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 2: thirty five from the field and twenty five from the three, damn.

1151
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: And then I just went on a tear eight for nine,

1152
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 2: nine for twelve, ten for eleven, and it was just

1153
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: so efficient. And that's the year I was like, I

1154
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: can really like average twenty something if I wanted to.

1155
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't need to, I just need to clicking. By

1156
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: the time All Star Game came, I was shooting I

1157
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: think fifty something from the field and forty five from three.

1158
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: It was crazy. I was like I felt like if

1159
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: I threw the ball up backwards it was going to

1160
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: go in. At that time, up, I was like, this

1161
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: is crazy, you know what I mean?

1162
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: How was it like the whole experience though, going to

1163
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, being in the All Star Game,

1164
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: your family experienced and the whole I got hurt.

1165
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: I got hurt right before the All Star Games. I

1166
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: ain't playing. My shoulder popped out. But you name the

1167
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: All Star, they can't take it from you. I can't

1168
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: take a star, you know, I mean, I got one

1169
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: of them star, you know what I mean. Like, so

1170
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: it's like you get to like you get a bonus,

1171
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: get to get that bonus in your contract, you know

1172
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I took everybody with me, like

1173
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: cousin and friends and whoever wanted to go, We went.

1174
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like they need to experience that.

1175
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: One of my guys met his wife now there, so

1176
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: like stuff like that, Like it's you know what I mean,

1177
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: it's cool, you know what I'm saying.

1178
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 4: How tough was it?

1179
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: Like you said, you messed up your shoulder then like

1180
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: that led to you missing the championship run down, going

1181
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: going to the finals and all of that, and you

1182
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: didn't get to play.

1183
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 4: How tough was that to be out?

1184
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: And then you know, staying made the controversy to see

1185
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: but like y'all lost.

1186
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: Y'all made it. We all made that decision. I'm gonna

1187
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: tell you why. I'm gonna tell you, and don't. I

1188
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: don't talk about the public. It's probably maybe the second

1189
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: time I ever talked about the public. I want to

1190
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: every teammate, right, I never thought I can come back

1191
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: and play that year. All I was doing was I'm

1192
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 2: a competitor. I'm gonna work my tail off, I'm gonna

1193
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: attack my rehab. I'm rehabbing two three times a day,

1194
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: trying and next thing you know, they like, yo, you're

1195
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: not supposed to be shooting. It's only like a month out.

1196
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I can shoot. Why would not shoot?

1197
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 4: Right?

1198
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: So then time come, I'm playing one on one, I'm

1199
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: doing this, doing that, making skip passes and all this.

1200
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: Everything feel pretty good, not not one hundred percent. So

1201
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: I go to every teammate, want man the man, every coach,

1202
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: man the man. Right, Hey, if I can play in

1203
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: the finals, do you think I should play. Not one

1204
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: of them said no. So all the dudes that's mad

1205
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: at me for they oh, well, you messed up this.

1206
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: Should have said no, because if one person would have

1207
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: said no, I wouldn't have did it. And I told

1208
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: them that, I said, if one person tell me no,

1209
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do it. If my doctor would have

1210
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: told me no, I wouldn't have did it. If staying

1211
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: oldest everybody the ownership, I want to did it. But

1212
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: tell a man, every dude was like, no, you should play.

1213
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 4: But you said so. Was there something anybody mad that

1214
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 4: you play after the fact?

1215
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear rumblings, you know, you know, you know,

1216
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: like some suckers, some suckers in the world that it's

1217
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 2: going about. It's always like people you shouldn't have played.

1218
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, well you shouldn't have did this either.

1219
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have did that. Like but at the end

1220
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: of the day, like I did it. I don't regret it.

1221
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: I don't like at the end of the day like

1222
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm a competitor and I did it.

1223
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 4: Like this is the thing that like hindsight is twenty twenty.

1224
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: This is what we know now though, that you had

1225
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: to been doing all of those things and looking how

1226
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: you was looking and didn't play, and then they looked, man,

1227
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 3: we were won. If you would have came and played

1228
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 3: while you ain't trying to play, you was over there

1229
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 3: doing you. That's just how that cookie crumble when you

1230
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: got people. That's that you're gonna hate either way, bro,

1231
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: because it's opening.

1232
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: Look. Look, those type of people gonna do that. Either

1233
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: I felt like I did it the right way to

1234
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: the way when.

1235
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 3: You say you went to your teammates, bro, like that's

1236
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 3: all you supposed to do, Like anybody would have spoke up.

1237
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: If you like those people, this is that they being

1238
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: real with themselves. They know what it is.

1239
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And like I said, look, I sleep good

1240
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: at night knowing that I did it the way I

1241
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: did it if I should, like I said, I don't

1242
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 2: regret it. And you here the like you hear the

1243
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: fans are you you didn't this? You did that? Orlando

1244
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: lost the championship was because of you. It's like I'm like, yeah,

1245
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: but you know what I mean. Let me come to

1246
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: your job and look as you make this person lose

1247
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: their job or whatever, like you know what I mean,

1248
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: Like it's life, man, Like you make decisions and you

1249
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: live with the results. You know what I'm saying. I live.

1250
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: I live with everything I've done in my life.

1251
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: I live with and who wouldn't want to play in

1252
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: the finals?

1253
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: Thing I ain't been paying, I hadn't been.

1254
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: For team who wouldn't want.

1255
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 3: Never I won't get your opinion about just that entire

1256
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: run y'all had, though, man Like y'all did something like

1257
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 3: I mean obvious that right before I got there, Like

1258
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 3: what y'all did getting to the finals, beating the caves, Like.

1259
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: Tell me about how how all that was?

1260
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: Like when everybody was like booking it, like, oh, it's

1261
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: about to be the lebron Kobe, y'all came in and scratch.

1262
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: Bumped the table. We had nothing to lose. I mean,

1263
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: nobody expected us. You're talking about Little Saint Joe's we

1264
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: live Orlando. Nobody expect us to be as good as

1265
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: we were in the playoffs. Like, yeah, it's a lot

1266
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 2: of really good regular season teams, but you got you

1267
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: your money in the playoffs. Individually and as a team

1268
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: coaching front office. You earn your money in the playoffs,

1269
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: and we earned our money like for five years straight

1270
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: with staying in two years before that, Orlando, we earned

1271
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: our money. It's not too many players or teams can

1272
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 2: say like they made runs like that in the player

1273
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: Like it's a lot of dudes ain't been to the playoffs.

1274
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: I haven't.

1275
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't even talking about you. But but it's not

1276
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 2: like think about it, like it's a lot of dudes.

1277
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: We've been seven years in a row, but like at

1278
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: a high level, high level, it was five four or

1279
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: five years straight with staying offense defense top five and

1280
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: like that's where you earn your money. We lost to

1281
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: the Celtics in the conference finals the next year, right,

1282
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, and we beat them three times. They just

1283
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: had a number year they had a number in the playoffs.

1284
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 3: Hey tell me this? How crazy is this? Like this

1285
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 3: is just like a little sidebar. First, I want you

1286
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: to tell the story about how we me and him

1287
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 3: met Before I get to the story, please just get

1288
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: it so you know me so just.

1289
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: So obviously I'm a smaller guard, right, I'm physical, I'm competitive,

1290
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: got the fire, so I'm always gonna hit somebody like

1291
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: I don't care. I got in trouble for hitting the

1292
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: thank Antonio Davis, one of the one of the Davis

1293
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: back then he said, young fella, don't hit me like

1294
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: that again. I said, I got you overhead right. I

1295
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: want you know what I mean. I want you know

1296
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But me and Q be playing for

1297
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: the Knicks.

1298
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 4: I'm out here doing stuff, so I'm like, all right,

1299
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 4: it was fat Q two on them.

1300
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: So we come across yourself. I cracked him. I'm talking

1301
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: about I called him so good in the air the air.

1302
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: I looked at him, sous.

1303
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 4: He called me.

1304
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: I said, you too little for that ship. So I

1305
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: swear to you the rest of the this had to

1306
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: be like the first quarter. The rest of the game.

1307
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 4: He was running.

1308
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: He chased me, and I was wrong. I was my

1309
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 2: gears like, look like, I say, don't get him back

1310
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: right away. I was like, he's gonna get me at

1311
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: some point. I just I'm a I got I'm still

1312
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: concentrating on the game, but I'm watching this dude. You

1313
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

1314
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: If you see me, I was trying my damn. He

1315
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 4: never I never got him.

1316
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: Listen, never got me. So he gets to the team,

1317
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: we look at each other. We just laught talking about it.

1318
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: I ain't know, like I ain't you know.

1319
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 4: For me.

1320
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: Like being in the league, I don't really I never

1321
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: really got to interact with dudes from other teams, you

1322
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I never became like, oh, that's

1323
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: my home eating. That wasn't that was one cool that

1324
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: So I ain't know you know how he was going. Yeah,

1325
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: when when we signed him, I was like, yeah, we

1326
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: should sign him. So when I went up to him,

1327
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, man, remember that time. I never

1328
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 2: was in a training room. We both laughing. He was like, man,

1329
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna never never got me. He never got me.

1330
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm talking about bro. It was like it was like

1331
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: we call it up, we're playing tag on the basketball court.

1332
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: He couldn't catch me.

1333
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: That's do listen. I won't talk about the story looks.

1334
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: So when I come to the team, I signed in

1335
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: the summer, my first year about to be the first

1336
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: year of the new Amway Center that exists now, right,

1337
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 3: So me and me and Meal we laughing the whole time.

1338
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: We all hyped, you know, everybody get new and we

1339
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: had we had training camp there, you know, everything brand new.

1340
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 4: We up that we had everything everything in New Jersey everything.

1341
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 3: So we like as a girls game of proached we

1342
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 3: all started thinking like, damn, whoever hit the first bucket,

1343
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: it's gonna be it's gonna be like a trivia history.

1344
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 3: So we you know, we all telling staying running ship,

1345
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: so we always staying get the draw the first play,

1346
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 3: he tells us. He told me, he told us the

1347
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: first play and shoot around.

1348
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 5: Man.

1349
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: He like, we're gonna do da da da da drop

1350
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: that bitch you shot. Were like, so whatever right, Jami

1351
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: like shit, all right, hey, Sean, play you want it.

1352
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: You don't shoot the first time you get. So we

1353
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 3: get to the game, bro like it's real tough.

1354
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 4: Run to play. Shine shut us down, screaming me, I

1355
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 4: probably hit me. Bam. I throw that thing to him.

1356
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 4: I do a little shuffling.

1357
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 5: Wait instead of you know how you can go do this,

1358
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 5: I do it and I ain't going through so he

1359
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 5: can refiel my spot. I did a little past get

1360
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 5: back to my spot, Sean.

1361
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: I did whatever. My dude dog down. He kicked.

1362
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 4: As soon as I hit that, Dawn said he with that.

1363
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: He say yeah this, you say, you're in there.

1364
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: It's crazy if you don't realize how much fun we

1365
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: had on the court though, And it was the chemistry,

1366
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: like I think people don't give like you know that

1367
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: that front office is enough credit like otis and you

1368
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: know Dave towards it and the rest of the guys

1369
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: who put them teams together like Dan just put together

1370
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: like talent. They put together like good dudes who meshed

1371
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: on like I can go to dinner and hang out

1372
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: with any one of my teammates, didn't matter, what did matter,

1373
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 2: what color, it didn't matter where they came from, with race,

1374
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: with anything right. So like we got on the court,

1375
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: we synced up so crazy, Like we got to the

1376
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: point where we was playing defense without talking. It was

1377
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: like we invert and we we ex and we just

1378
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: because we were so synced in.

1379
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: Getting switched out to the man, I'm pushing them before

1380
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 3: he could even get on the.

1381
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm the low man high. I just grab his jersey,

1382
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: pull them. It makes sense for me to close out

1383
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: him to be low.

1384
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: Imagine. Is that what you missed from the game?

1385
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know what I missed the locker room

1386
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: because I missed that locker because like we'll be done

1387
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: practice whatever time. Because stand, we ran over a whole

1388
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: hour or so, like you I mean, so we said

1389
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: in the locker room another hour we laughing joke, whole

1390
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: another hour. That's what you missed. You know what I'm saying,

1391
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: you missed it. You would look forward to beginning to practice,

1392
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: to stretch and.

1393
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: Then let me tell you what that drillline of being

1394
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: in the game and you know the.

1395
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 4: Crowd, and let me tell you one of the funny things. Right, so.

1396
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 3: Neat free that's me, not so much so, man, you

1397
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 3: crazy man. He wasn't bad, but not so much so.

1398
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: You remember you remember he used to do things like

1399
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 3: his locker was next to mine, right, so he used

1400
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 3: to get mad like he'd come in like if I'm

1401
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 3: not already like I'm usually with the first one of

1402
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: the first ones that so I might be out here

1403
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 3: doing whatever. I come back to my locker intentionally something

1404
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 3: is thrown out of the way or kind of place

1405
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: than what it was and ask no questions. It was

1406
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: me like the type of dude because I ain't used

1407
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 3: to like cold cold was. I go take three or

1408
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: four cold was and put on my lock so they

1409
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: be a little less cold when I come in drinking.

1410
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 4: I come in, I got.

1411
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 3: The waters lined up, two of the waters thrown somewhere

1412
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: or missing. He'll take something that was stacked nicety and

1413
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 3: just happen in front of my life because you know

1414
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna say.

1415
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 4: And then I come in here, sit there like he's doing.

1416
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 3: So I just come here and look around, like, bro,

1417
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: why you.

1418
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 2: People don't realize this is the thing, like and this

1419
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: is probably obvious because people don't. I'm not like a

1420
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: public dude, like right, I was the silliest teammates when

1421
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: I say, the silliest in the locker room, the bus there,

1422
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: playing on the court and we could be an overtime

1423
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: tied one three, one o three. I'm gonna laugh and

1424
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: have fun. This thing isn't that serious a basketball Yeah,

1425
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: And guess what everybody else like now they like, okay,

1426
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 2: before the game, my routine was I just needed to

1427
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: eat right after that, I just had to have fun

1428
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: walking around doing stuff, playing with somebody coming with a

1429
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,479
Speaker 2: whack outfit. I'm gonna put that outfit on the floor, shirts,

1430
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: put that put their phone, put the phone on the belt.

1431
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 4: All but he was the one that was going allway.

1432
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 3: Like if someone he was gonna get you to laugh,

1433
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 3: unless he couldn't get you laugh, Like remember that time

1434
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: in Charlotte, you couldn't get me the laugh that man,

1435
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 3: he said me at halftime, he said, that took me.

1436
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 4: We ain't gonna go into the whole thing, but I'm

1437
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 4: just the whole thing.

1438
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: You put your hands on I got.

1439
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 3: I got the ice on my lip like this. And

1440
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 3: first thing this befolks staying the me even coach you

1441
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 3: come there. He come there, he's seen me here. It's

1442
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: whole intention. I'm go fuck with him about making him

1443
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 3: laugh this. He won't try and light me up. He

1444
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 3: comes to down. He took me like, well, what we're doing.

1445
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 3: What we're doing, You're good. And I'm sitting there. I'm

1446
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 3: sitting there like, bro, there's one enough times I'm straight bullshit.

1447
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna know.

1448
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 4: I'm just I ain't even look at him or nothing.

1449
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 4: I did like this.

1450
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: So he said one more thing, something that, something else,

1451
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 3: and I still ain't flinched. She said, oh, so you

1452
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 3: don't hood here. I ain't saying you. He said, you

1453
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 3: see it you I ain't all right. Second half, I

1454
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 3: went right out and got ejected first when he got ejected.

1455
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: When he got ejected, I went to the bench. I said,

1456
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: I knew it was gonna happen. I just ain't no whe.

1457
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 3: Look this came when I got you jetted because I

1458
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 3: didn't leave the court right away. I'm still on the

1459
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 3: court the actions. ODIs left the court before I did.

1460
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 3: So when I come in, ODIs was already in the bathroom.

1461
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 3: He was used to, you know me, I come in

1462
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: throwing ship, talking ship. I'm about to go to the

1463
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 3: damn card stuff to the day. I'm going to.

1464
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 4: All the you know, all the time you do you been?

1465
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 4: He always told me you back, like I.

1466
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 3: Said, I turned around, he was like, you do give

1467
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 3: me your money.

1468
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 4: Fuck He's like, yeah, I ain't let me get no motherfucker.

1469
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: I said, man, I'm going out.

1470
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 4: I ain't as soon as you do now right down.

1471
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: Never yet, I ain't none you just do. But boy,

1472
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 4: I was ready to do something. That boy Otis was

1473
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 4: all over it. But look he tried. He try to say,

1474
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 4: I tried.

1475
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: I tried. Man, you should have gave me a couple

1476
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: of hours on that. When I find you took two.

1477
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: I got my.

1478
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 4: Money back for that, did you, Jeffrey Wexter, Yeah, okay, okay,

1479
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 4: I told you I got my money back from there.

1480
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: When it was time to leave the Magic, What was

1481
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: your feelings about that?

1482
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 2: And I cried. I cried, Brose, now you can.

1483
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: I cried, when you be somewhere for so long and

1484
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,479
Speaker 1: now you when you when you get your first trade,

1485
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: that's when you really feel like that.

1486
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 2: I didn't get traded. I left on my own terms.

1487
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: I opted out. They were going in the direction that

1488
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't like I was ten years in. I was like,

1489
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: either I helped the rebuild again or I gotta go

1490
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: figure something else out. And I told my agent, I said, look,

1491
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: it's time for me to go. So I left, and

1492
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll never forget me and my wife.

1493
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: We was going to somewhere. So we was in a

1494
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 2: car going to Newark Airport from Philly because we was

1495
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: going to Island, and I called my agent. I started crying.

1496
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: The biggest decision I had to make in a long time,

1497
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: and the pressure of it just made me like I

1498
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: just knew I was going. I was leaving something that

1499
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: I put my fingerprints on, you know what I'm saying.

1500
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: I put my fingerprints on it, Like when it comes

1501
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 2: to the organization, when it came to the city, when

1502
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 2: it came to a lot of things in Orlando, I'm like,

1503
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: you know, my kids had friends and my wife had

1504
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: her stability there, and I was I'm not being selfish

1505
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: because it's my career, but at the same time, it's

1506
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: like I'm disrupting everything in my life, you know what

1507
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I'm like, I was nervous, you know

1508
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I'm nervous. I'm getting I'm about to

1509
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: get real uncomfortable. I'm about to get real uncomfortable. But

1510
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: then I'm like, Okay, I get to the island. I

1511
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: forgot all about all of it, you know what I mean.

1512
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 2: I didn't had enough drinks and funny and my body

1513
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: hanging out, laughing and joking. So then it's like again

1514
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 2: another life lesson. It's like it's more to life than

1515
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: one situation, you know what I'm saying. Like it's one

1516
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: door close, you go through the next door, and you

1517
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: make the best out of it, you know what I'm saying.

1518
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: Did I ended up going to Dallas, got traded bunch

1519
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: that year, ended up in Denver, which was a great

1520
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 2: situation because the organization embraced me, that city embraced me.

1521
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: Able to carve out some more years and more money

1522
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 2: for my family in that situation.

1523
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying you spent some time with

1524
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 3: Murray in your time in Denver. Could you see like

1525
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 3: what he doing now? Could you have glimpses of that early?

1526
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 3: Because you know how we see different things in practice.

1527
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 3: You got a chance to have that practice time with

1528
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 3: him when he first came in, Like, did you could

1529
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: you see some of the flashes of him being having

1530
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 3: some special shit.

1531
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: In him being in the front office. Now you got

1532
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: to look at certain things, right, the dude got maybe

1533
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: first or second best footwork from a guard in the NBA. Yeah,

1534
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: Like I mean maybe d book, But the dude is,

1535
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: like his footwork is special, right, he can get it

1536
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: shot off when he won. He ain't the fastest, he's

1537
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: the quickest. He the most athletic. He's so crafty, like

1538
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: you can see it. He just had to learn, like

1539
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: some of the other stuff, Like some of the other

1540
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 2: stuff you don't need as much because you got joker

1541
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 2: like facilitating, but like when it's time to beat him

1542
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: and like make plays and take over the team, he

1543
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: can do it. So like if he was on a

1544
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 2: different team, Like, I think we'll see the full version

1545
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 2: of them because you see it during the course of

1546
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 2: games and during the course of like seasons, but.

1547
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 4: That Jokers just so he make him not have to

1548
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 4: do so.

1549
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 2: So when I had that team Denver in Philly, they

1550
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: called me because you know, I never allowed like the

1551
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: team personnel to come, only the training in the strength coach.

1552
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: Nobody else fron with them too. So Joker he gets

1553
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: drafted whatever, fifty whatever. He comes over and they asked

1554
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: me who was the best player. I said, this foreign dude.

1555
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 2: I said, when he learned English, he gonna be an

1556
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 2: All Star. They was like, what you know what I'm saying.

1557
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 2: They like thought I was crazy what you're.

1558
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: Saying to him?

1559
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 2: Though his i Q was like different, it's different, Like

1560
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: you like what you see in the game is put

1561
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 2: like this what you said on practice, It's way better

1562
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 2: what you see in games because you can take you

1563
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 2: can take different chances in practice. So the stuff he

1564
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: was doing practice and playing pick up and all that stuff,

1565
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: he'd be like, Yo, this is wild and it's all

1566
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 2: to win. You know what I'm saying.

1567
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: It was never like I'm show bowing.

1568
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 2: I told people, I said, look, man, the dude can

1569
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: average thirty five if you want, I said, one, he

1570
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: doesn't care if he's the best player. He doesn't care

1571
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 2: if he's the whatever, right. He just wanted to play basketball,

1572
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 2: have fun, and most importantly, he wants other people to succeed.

1573
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: It shows in his game. It shows in like in

1574
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 2: that organization. Like when I was there, it was like

1575
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: the same. I go to one of the coach and

1576
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I need to pick and roll Finchy.

1577
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 2: Finchy's the coach of Minnesota. He was the officer coach there.

1578
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: I said, I need to pick a roll pick and

1579
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 2: roll player. Man, got all these split cuts. I'm five

1580
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: to eleven cut to the basket, this, that and the other.

1581
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't finish. I'm thinking somebody gonna block

1582
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: my shot when.

1583
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 4: I catch it. Every time.

1584
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, He said, shout the fuck

1585
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: up and cut. So I was like, all right, let me,

1586
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 2: let me, let me figure it out. I started got

1587
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: to the point I started to take the balls out

1588
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: of bounds, throwing at the joker and I start running

1589
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 2: the wing. Then I figured out how to playoff of him.

1590
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: And you can see Jamal did the same thing. Jamal

1591
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: was more on ball, but when he figured out joker

1592
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: makes everybody life easier. That's you know what I'm saying.

1593
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, like it going back to it, like Jamal

1594
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: is like he's a legit dude.

1595
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: Did you see Denver like to be in Denver? And

1596
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,520
Speaker 1: did you ever imagine Denver winning a championship?

1597
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 2: Man, I'll be lying if I said, yeah, I saw it.

1598
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 2: You know what, you just don't like It's just I mean,

1599
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: the one thing I do know is how fiery and

1600
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 2: competitive Mike Malone is. We know that one of the

1601
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 2: best coaches I've been around in terms of like getting

1602
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 2: the best and the most out of you, you know what

1603
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And he does it in his own way

1604
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: a little different, a little different, but most of these

1605
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 2: coaches are right. He got an edge to him that

1606
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: like he puts in his team. Yeah, and towards the

1607
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 2: end of my run there with them, he found out

1608
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: how to be a little softer to get more out

1609
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 2: of guys. You know what I'm saying. Because it was

1610
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 2: just at one point, man, and I'm sure it was

1611
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 2: because everybody was young and going through the rebuild and

1612
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 2: the process and all that stuff. But once you could

1613
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 2: see like he grew, you know what I mean, the

1614
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 2: coaching staff brow all those guys like you know, the

1615
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 2: guys I was there with, like my man John Beckett and.

1616
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: The deepest team and everything, one of the deepest team

1617
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: in the league.

1618
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 2: Like you get like you give Calvin you know, Booth

1619
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of credit for making some changes. Also, you

1620
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: got to give Tim Conley a lot of credit for

1621
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 2: like piecing you know, most of that stuff together early.

1622
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: But then like I said, Calvin took over and did

1623
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: a great job. You know what I'm saying. That's that's

1624
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 2: part of being the boss, Like you got to figure

1625
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: out what we need next, you know what I'm saying.

1626
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: But they did a good job with that team, man,

1627
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: like just adding different pieces to like help catapult, you know,

1628
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 2: or like kind of like filling some gaps that they

1629
01:11:59,680 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: need to.

1630
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: I got some start bench cut. You gotta start one.

1631
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: You gotta bench one. You got trade man, trade, don't

1632
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:09,759
Speaker 1: get me in trouble.

1633
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: H A.

1634
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: I Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving. Who you start? Who you bench?

1635
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: Who your track?

1636
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

1637
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 4: Hmm.

1638
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 2: I'm starting the yam starting the yah, y'all. I'm gonna

1639
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 2: have I'm gonna have Steph. I'm gonna have Steph and

1640
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 2: Kyrie play one on one for the bench Spot and

1641
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: then and then and then whoever lose gotta get traded,

1642
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:39,879
Speaker 2: I said.

1643
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: But I got another one for Muggsy bowl spun with

1644
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: Damon Stodamar. Who you start, who you bench? Who your trade?

1645
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 2: I know that Muggy bulls out. I'm going, I'm going,

1646
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 2: but now I'm going, start.

1647
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 4: Of my start, going, start of my start, Muggsy next.

1648
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying, that's the other person I want to

1649
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 2: say the start Ford. No, I'm gonna go Muggy on

1650
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: the bench, Muggy on the traits. But and I don't

1651
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: really know enough about Spot, you know what I'm saying,

1652
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: other than the don't contest stuff like you know, but Muggy,

1653
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, I related to him more, you know,

1654
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 2: like they were both small. I don't know why.

1655
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 3: This is my favorite, one of my favorite questions. Man,

1656
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 3: I know you know what I'm saying. You like both

1657
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 3: of us ain't comfort much.

1658
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 5: You know.

1659
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about when you took care

1660
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 4: of moms and got her crib.

1661
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 3: I want to hear about what remage did. I know personally,

1662
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a couple of things you did. When

1663
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: you want to yourself, I want to hear what he

1664
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 3: want to say? What was like one of the things

1665
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 3: like even now that you look back older, you like, yeah,

1666
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 3: I probably shouldn't have did that, but it was damn

1667
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: fun like when you first like got like when you got.

1668
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 4: That thirty year after you after you.

1669
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 3: Call saying hey, all right, we got this, say thirty

1670
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 3: eight oldest here we hear I'm.

1671
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 4: Here, Like when you get situated with that and you

1672
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 4: went out and said this is I didn't I now

1673
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 4: I earned this? Somebody? What did you go do?

1674
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 2: Remember?

1675
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 4: I know you now, I know.

1676
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 2: I mean I was always buying little stuff here, little

1677
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 2: stuff there, this that and the other whatever, mom, this

1678
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 2: popped that. But when I got myself something it was

1679
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: one of them Jason watches, right, but it was like

1680
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 2: one of it was one of them watches. Though it

1681
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 2: wasn't like yeah, but it was one of them, you

1682
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

1683
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 3: He talked about the whole, the whole, round the ridge,

1684
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 3: everything with.

1685
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: It was crazy, right.

1686
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 4: So what was probably like, you know, an estimate of

1687
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 4: like how much something like that might cost back around

1688
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 4: when it was a pretty penny six figures, five figures.

1689
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean, some probably could have got on Mercedes been mmmm.

1690
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 3: But he and let me tell y'all this is this

1691
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 3: is one of my first teammates that was like a

1692
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 3: watch guy. He gave me my first how you said

1693
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 3: you blow? You know, I ain't. I say that, I

1694
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 3: ain't a hub blood. I don't know. I don't know

1695
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 3: when I gave it to him.

1696
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 4: Listen, I didn't know what it was. But I'm talking

1697
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 4: about like, so he a watch guy. Man had a

1698
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 4: Benz on his ridge. You hear me, literally minds watch man,

1699
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 4: mister nice watch.

1700
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 2: Now that was the thing, Like I was like then

1701
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: then you learn those when you learn you got to

1702
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 2: buy the right watch. You know what I'm saying.

1703
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 4: Then I started buying the right with him and JJ

1704
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 4: they on the plane talking about.

1705
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: Watches and want and you know what I mean.

1706
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 4: A few hours around Duke and Saint Joe's JD.

1707
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 2: My god, oh man, that's everybody's my god.

1708
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 3: I want to just get your take on because I

1709
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 3: talked about all the time how I feel and how

1710
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 3: I respect and revere stand as a coach, and you

1711
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 3: spoke on it. You said something earlier. There was like

1712
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 3: a trigger word for me when you said the twenty

1713
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 3: twenty and that I feel like the twenty twenty, Like,

1714
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 3: for those who don't know what that is, that's twenty minutes.

1715
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 3: Will have the team on the court, twenty minutes with

1716
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: the other half a team on in the weight room.

1717
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 3: Now the twenty minutes that that team is on court,

1718
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 3: you're doing shall You're going through all the offensive plays.

1719
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 4: But this is.

1720
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 3: When I kind of really it dawned on me, like, damn,

1721
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 3: this man staying is amazing. This wasn't It's the way

1722
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 3: after I played for this, when I'm working with him

1723
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 3: in the front office with Detroit and I'm watching him

1724
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 3: do the twenty twin because before that, I never observed it.

1725
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 3: Because I'm in it. I've never and I don't think

1726
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 3: that I could ever have the type of the same

1727
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 3: level of intensity, the same level of attention to detail,

1728
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:33,799
Speaker 3: the late, the same level of everything consistently every time

1729
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,759
Speaker 3: for this twenty twin. Like if you just did twenty

1730
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 3: minutes with the first thing, i'ma be looking at that.

1731
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 3: When niggas the next time, I'm like, he just nah that.

1732
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 3: Let you know that this man is unreal when it

1733
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 3: comes to coaching.

1734
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 4: Bro.

1735
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,440
Speaker 3: His level, Like I don't care his level of consistently

1736
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 3: in preparation and the way he gonna bring it every

1737
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 3: single day is fucking relentless.

1738
01:16:58,320 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 4: Bro.

1739
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 3: Just speak to how much you respect his preparation and

1740
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 3: his level of greatness as a come.

1741
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: So, so two things when it comes to preparation with

1742
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 2: stand right, well three things. Actually, the first thing you

1743
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 2: notice is like the first meeting of the year, you

1744
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 2: get a book. You get a book with all the

1745
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,520
Speaker 2: plays offense, defense, all the coverage is the names, the terminology.

1746
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,799
Speaker 2: But also you get in that book the entire season

1747
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 2: of travel, practice everything, right, so you get everything what

1748
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 2: hotel you staying in with time to fight from game one,

1749
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: from game one to preseason to the last game of

1750
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 2: the regular season. So the only thing that would change

1751
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: is you might get more off days, right, So that's

1752
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 2: number one. Number two, I never went in the game

1753
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 2: felt like I wasn't prepared. Every game I played, I

1754
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 2: felt over prepared, and I felt like I knew if

1755
01:17:55,680 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 2: you call a play, I knew the play, fourth the options,

1756
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 2: I knew it was laughing. That was just up to me.

1757
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 2: You just knew right how he did it most of

1758
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: the times, Like even with the offense, first play was

1759
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: gonna be some type of post up second player's gonna

1760
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 2: be picking roll, so we need to deviate from that. Right.

1761
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 2: The third thing was when I knew. I don't even

1762
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 2: know if you knew this, So you land. Just say

1763
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 2: you the first leg of the back to back is

1764
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: on the road, right, you land after the game in Orlando.

1765
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: You got a game the next day. Stand, don't go home. Stand,

1766
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 2: don't go home until the next night after the game.

1767
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,799
Speaker 2: So you land, Yeah, you land. He goes to the office.

1768
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 2: He prepared all night for the next game, right, preparing

1769
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 2: all night for the next game, and then you're going

1770
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 2: after that game. And the last thing, so I have

1771
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 2: four things. I didn't understand what he was doing until later.

1772
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 2: We were doing stuff two three weeks ahead of time.

1773
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: Just say. We had to say we had to play shack.

1774
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: We're working on double teams, right, we had to play

1775
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 2: shack like three weeks you know, three weeks out. We're

1776
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 2: working on double teams, rotation, this, that and the other,

1777
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and we about to play a team

1778
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 2: like they ain't got no big man, were like about

1779
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: to work on these double teams. We here for extra hour.

1780
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: But the preparation I've never seen anything like it, Like

1781
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: at any level.

1782
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 3: And bro, let me explain this to you. So I

1783
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 3: working at Turner. He come in to work at Turner,

1784
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 3: same mad scientists thing. How you had them papers with

1785
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 3: compartments where he then drew lines with a credit card

1786
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 3: or something and he got a million everything a going

1787
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 3: to a basketball game to call it. He had man

1788
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 3: so many little compartments on one page.

1789
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 4: I was looking at him.

1790
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 3: Like god damn Like but like that just speaks to

1791
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 3: why he succeeds it that and why he gonna be

1792
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 3: dope at it, because that meant like when he say

1793
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 3: over prepared, bro over, he gonna know everything inside out.

1794
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 3: He gonna know that.

1795
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 2: And he one of the best people like ever. He

1796
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 2: one of the best people like that you'll ever come

1797
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 2: acros lost in your life. He want everybody to succeed.

1798
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1799
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 3: If you have stories that I would tell on him,

1800
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 3: but they are here to telling.

1801
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, seriously, don't think he would want me a person.

1802
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 4: Wife and his family is like they Yeah, it's unreal.

1803
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 2: Like outgoing here is as a person like it's that's

1804
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: for him to tell, but it's for us to put

1805
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: him on the back straight up, like stories, I'm not

1806
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 2: gonna tell him.

1807
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, all of them. I'm telling

1808
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 4: you all of them, they.

1809
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 2: Got all our respect, an entire family for you.

1810
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 3: How do it feel being this is an NBA franchise, bro,

1811
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 3: you fifth all time and scoring like you ready to

1812
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 3: get that called from from the divorce family to say,

1813
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 3: you know, like because not even you wasn't He wasn't

1814
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 3: just like just prefacing. He wasn't just feelth all time.

1815
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: He was an ambassador why playing like that man was

1816
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 3: in the community. He was doing it big. He represented

1817
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 3: the right way. He wasn't never in no foolishness he

1818
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 3: would you know what I'm saying, did the brand the

1819
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 3: right way, and he championed it in Orlando. I'm telling

1820
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 3: you see what I say. He was ill presidentat now

1821
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: they reminds me the man, Like, do you look forward

1822
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 3: to like them bringing you back to honor you in

1823
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 3: whatever way? I know they do, like the I think

1824
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 3: they do the ring honor. I ain't seen them retire

1825
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 3: nobody jerky, but like if they was to do that,

1826
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 3: you definitely deserve to. Haven't retired and all of that,

1827
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 3: But do you look forward to at some point coming

1828
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: back to you know, Orlando, just to be celebrated by

1829
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 3: the fans and all that, because you know they got

1830
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 3: a lot of love for you business.

1831
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 2: It's definitely something that that I want, right, and it's

1832
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 2: gonna happen in due time. Right. You can't force it

1833
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 2: and you can't like make it happen. I think it'd

1834
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 2: happened when it's supposed to and when I go back,

1835
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 2: like in my current job, the love is like crazy.

1836
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 2: It's like Jumbo trying. You know. I don't really like attention,

1837
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: like and it makes me feel uncomfortable. I'll be trying

1838
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 2: to hide. You be up there. You don't know do

1839
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: what your hands? You know what I'm saying. I'm supped

1840
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 2: to know if I'm supposed to look at the jobbos way,

1841
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 2: I just put my head down to me, you don't

1842
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm supposed to do.

1843
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 4: Right.

1844
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 2: One of the things like in terms of statistics like

1845
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 2: that I cherished more than this scoring is the assists.

1846
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: I think I'm the all time leading dude that assist. Okay,

1847
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I think because I came

1848
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: into the league and people said I couldn't be a

1849
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 2: point guard, I couldn't run a team. He's a small,

1850
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 2: a small two guard, small scorer. But to be you know,

1851
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,879
Speaker 2: my name in stone in this category of facilitating assists,

1852
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 2: it is a credit to the longevity being in that

1853
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 2: situation for ten years and being in that situation, in

1854
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: a successful situation where people pushed me to be successful.

1855
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 2: Whether it's the ownership, whether it was my teammates, whether

1856
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 2: it was the fans, it was at one point I

1857
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 2: was like, I felt like I was from Orlando, Like

1858
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 2: how I was being treated, you know what I'm saying,

1859
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: Like you go somewhere and like and it's almost like

1860
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: they didn't know you because you're a basketball player, but

1861
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: it's more so like they expect you as a person.

1862
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 2: And that meant that meant more to me than any

1863
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: basketball accolade that I ever got.

1864
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: Before you get out here, we want to ask you

1865
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: one more. We gotta get this in for archives out

1866
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: of your career. If you had to pick four other

1867
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: players teammates that you played with, Oh, who would be

1868
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: the other four teammates?

1869
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 4: You gonna get me.

1870
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 2: Look, look, I'm fortunate to play with some real good dudes. Right.

1871
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: I don't mean the other dudes not good. It's just

1872
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 2: my preference that the white I'm gonna get there. I'm

1873
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 2: gonna get there. I'm gonna get there. It doesn't matter

1874
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 2: like position.

1875
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: Ah, your five, you gonna run with you, run with hey.

1876
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 2: I got the White at the I got the White

1877
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 2: at the five. I got Joker at the four. I

1878
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 2: got Work at the three. Yeah, play with gott He

1879
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 2: played with Dirk, Dirk at the three. Man who the two?

1880
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 5: Damn?

1881
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 1: I forgot you playing with Dirk.

1882
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: I got Vince Carter at the two.

1883
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: The one. That's a nice lineup. Be in the BC,

1884
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 1: Joker and.

1885
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 2: And we might not be we might not be in

1886
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 2: the guard. Nobody, nobody, one by one. We got one

1887
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: by one. Think about it at the end of the game. Actually,

1888
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,560
Speaker 2: you know, Joker can facilitate. I can stand in the

1889
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,560
Speaker 2: corner shoot threes, right, can you imagine? You know what

1890
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 2: I mean? Everybody, but like defensively, you got enough one by.

1891
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: One, I know with the white back there, just make

1892
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: him drive, Yeah, get out.

1893
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 3: The way, tough five. So you talked about me or

1894
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 3: Mary Jr. You know what I'm saying, being making a

1895
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 3: move going to t c U. How does that field

1896
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 3: man to see his son, like you said, he started

1897
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 3: late too. You know what I'm saying, played all the

1898
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 3: other sports and then decided to go in this direction.

1899
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 3: How do you feel seeing it play off?

1900
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 5: Man?

1901
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 3: He getting a chance to play the big twelve man.

1902
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 3: That's top top conference in college. That's the biggest thing

1903
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: after the G League for the league.

1904
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: I'm excited for him, man, because the dude, like, and

1905
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 2: you know how hard I worked. You know what I'm saying.

1906
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 2: It was people like I think it's BS, But I

1907
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 2: was in the gym six seven hours a day, different

1908
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: type of gyms and different type of things in the

1909
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 2: off season, five days a week. And he took on

1910
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 2: that like last year. Yeah, Like he like, I gotta

1911
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: work out. I gotta do I'm like, yo, last year,

1912
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo, Yes, you gotta slow down. You know

1913
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, I don't want you to burn out.

1914
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 2: But I'm happy for him, proud of him. I mean,

1915
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what's next for him. You know,

1916
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know where it's going to go,

1917
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,839
Speaker 2: but I know this, like he's gonna be a professional

1918
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: basketball at some capacity, and that's what he wants to do.

1919
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 2: And that's what my wife and I we decided to

1920
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 2: help him do so we you know, we're getting there

1921
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: and like he's going to figure the rest out. And

1922
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 2: people ask, well, do you train him? I'm like, nah,

1923
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't train him. Every now and then I will,

1924
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: but mainly it's just I train this, I train this.

1925
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 2: You gotta find your way, and I hit you with

1926
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 2: this stuff that I know, and you can see it

1927
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 2: like it's starting to mold. It's starting to mold and

1928
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 2: become a real dude when it comes on the court,

1929
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: like he's real well respected on the court. Now, I'll

1930
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: be in trouble if I didn't mention my girls that

1931
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 2: play softball. You know what I'm saying. I got three daughters,

1932
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 2: all pretty level, high level softball players, Jamia going to

1933
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 2: South Florida, you know what I mean. So cute think

1934
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm moving back to Orlando.

1935
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 3: Had anything to do with it. Reminds we'll be back

1936
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 3: and beautiful sooner than later.

1937
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 2: I got. We got Jaden, who is she'll be a sophomore.

1938
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 2: She's I mean, if she continues on the track that

1939
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 2: she's on softball, she's pretty much she'll go wherever she

1940
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 2: wants to go. And then you got Jason who's ten,

1941
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 2: who loves playing in the game and does their thing.

1942
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 2: She hates training, and I don't. I don't force it.

1943
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 3: She is some of us, that's all of us.

1944
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't force it.

1945
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 4: I said.

1946
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 2: You know, she go with her older sisters, go work out,

1947
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 2: and she'll go watch TV. You know what I'm saying.

1948
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, go be a ten year old when she

1949
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: get on that field. She a dog on that field,

1950
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 2: like she the youngest on the team, because she play

1951
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 2: up all three of them, all three of the girls

1952
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 2: and my son. They when it's time to hoop and

1953
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 2: be on that field, they dog.

1954
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: You know the difference.

1955
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 2: The only time I get on them is if they

1956
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 2: don't play hard. I don't care about striking out. I

1957
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 2: don't care about shooting air balls. I just want you

1958
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 2: to play hard.

1959
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: Well, we waste our time for if you ain't gonna get.

1960
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 2: Our play hard. See what happened? You know what I'm saying.

1961
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,799
Speaker 2: Like my oldest daughter, she hit a bunch of home runs,

1962
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 2: she strike out a lot, whatever. I don't care. My

1963
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 2: question is after the games, and this for the parents

1964
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 2: who like have kids that play sports. My question after

1965
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: the games is like, did you have fun? If you

1966
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 2: ain't having if you don't tell me you had fun.

1967
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 2: We can't play no more. Instead of doing this, I

1968
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: ain't gonna get in the car and tell you that

1969
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 2: you did this wrong. You did that right. Every now

1970
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 2: and then I thought a little jab like yo, you know,

1971
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 2: probably need to work out the day or be a

1972
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 2: good day for you to go running, you know what

1973
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 2: I mean. But I ain't gonna be like, you gotta

1974
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 2: do this, you gotta do that, like you know, I've

1975
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 2: done that a little bit in my life. I don't

1976
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 2: care how much I'm and my son like going back

1977
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 2: to my son, he wants it like he see he

1978
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 2: can grab it, he can grab his goal. And he

1979
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 2: right there again like me, not highly ranked, but you

1980
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 2: know what, he right there, right there, like you know

1981
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 2: what I mean, got him out of my pockets.

1982
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 4: You know up all right, man, this has been awesome.

1983
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 4: We got my homeboy, my former teammate, my player partner,

1984
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 4: Remard and the bidding. We appreciate you.

1985
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 3: It took us long enough, man, so busy doing all

1986
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 3: the things you gotta do. We finally had a full

1987
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 3: circle moment and Garymind's here, City beautiful, He's returning soon.

1988
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 4: I'm telling y'all your mind he's gonna.

1989
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: Make it Vegas now.

1990
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we out here in Vegas appreciate, appreciated. All you

1991
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:27,559
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1992
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,599
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1993
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1994
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1995
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1996
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1997
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1998
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1999
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2000
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