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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome you. Welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we are outside

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Speaker 1: the podcast studio and into Brooklyn, New York, Okay, and

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Speaker 1: our special guest today is Cipher Sounds, the legendary Cipher

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Speaker 1: Sounds DJ radio radio radio host turned stand up comic.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of layers here that we gotta

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Speaker 1: call definitely layered, layered, and you pivoted a lot. So

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Speaker 1: I'm curious now on this episode, on on the New

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Speaker 1: York edition, we are not actually cooking in studio. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do take out addition, So I want to know

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Speaker 1: what you ate when you were broke in New York

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Speaker 1: trying to survive. So what do you have us eating today? So? Um, Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm very famous in New York. So uh, there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of things I ate while I was broke,

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Speaker 1: but this this year was my main go to. And

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Speaker 1: this is a New York staple. Now it sounds kind

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Speaker 1: of common. It's four chicken wings and French fries, which

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Speaker 1: you could get at any on any kid's menu in

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Speaker 1: any restaurant. Buffalo wild wings, red lobster, Applebee's, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but it's different. In New York when it comes from

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Speaker 1: the Chinese hood spot. I mean, this is not even

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Speaker 1: this is new. See the chicken wings and French fries

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Speaker 1: from the Chinese spot. It's something special about it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why has nothing there's nothing Chinese about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there really isn't that. But for some reason, the Chinese

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Speaker 1: hold in the wall spots in New York City make

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Speaker 1: them a certain way. I don't know if they all

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Speaker 1: talk to each other and have the same recipe or

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Speaker 1: they get the chicken delivered from the same spot. But

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Speaker 1: some dude, some dudes have variations. You could do four

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Speaker 1: chicken wings and fried rice. Some do four chicken wings

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Speaker 1: and an egg roll. I personally like the French fry aspect.

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Speaker 1: So this was like my go to broke meal coming up.

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Speaker 1: And how much was this when you were coming up?

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Speaker 1: Four bucks? Four bucks, five bucks sometimes and you know

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Speaker 1: you can add another wing. You can ask for extra

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Speaker 1: duck sauce, which I don't know why people in the

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Speaker 1: hood are so rude when they ask for extra duck

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Speaker 1: saw It's a thing you never seen that, Yo, give

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Speaker 1: me more duck sauce. I'm like, hey, just as nicely,

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Speaker 1: he'll get they'll give you more. So you do your

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Speaker 1: French fries with dusaus, you do the chicken with you

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Speaker 1: do you do hot sauce, duck sauce and catch up,

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Speaker 1: and then you can you have like a tri dip,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean a little bit. That's why

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Speaker 1: they're so rude. Yeah, because give us the catch up

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Speaker 1: in the hot sauce. I don't see any duck. There

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Speaker 1: is no duck. Shouts, Well, you have to ask for

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Speaker 1: the duck shots. Did anyone ask who got this? Eagle?

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Speaker 1: Did not get this? I had? I had what do

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Speaker 1: you call it? The delivery service? Yeah, what is it? Delivery?

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Speaker 1: Rob Hobbs and those guys, and they delivered. Didn't have

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Speaker 1: that when I was broken. Yeah, well we were on

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Speaker 1: a tight schedule. So we're like order that and have

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Speaker 1: it delivered. It has to be delivered from a Chinese

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Speaker 1: guy on a bike from the restaurant. Yeah, because the guy,

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Speaker 1: the guy who delivered it was like Filipino or something,

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Speaker 1: and he came in a Honda Civic. He came in

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Speaker 1: a scooter. Scooter. Things have changed. So let's let's just

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Speaker 1: let's just try a wing so I can have this experience.

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Speaker 1: It from New York. Right, Yeah, I'm from New York,

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Speaker 1: but I live in l A. I've lived in l

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Speaker 1: A so long. But how you had this before? Right?

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Speaker 1: I've had this. I've had this. So you got to

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Speaker 1: pop off the wingy part. Sometimes you can get a

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Speaker 1: little meat meat and when you pop How did you

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Speaker 1: do it? I did it? I did it? Do you

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Speaker 1: do flats first or drum first? Let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: I'm a flats person. I don't. I don't you know

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Speaker 1: what I don't. I don't mess with the drum. When

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Speaker 1: I was younger, I was all about the drum. I

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Speaker 1: got older and I was all about the flat. What

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Speaker 1: is it about the flat that you like? Mhm? I

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Speaker 1: feel like the drum is always dryer. I'm gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had this a long time. It tastes exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's hello, good yo. Let me yeah, this taste exactly.

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Speaker 1: How I remember, when was the last time you ate

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Speaker 1: this like this? Like straight up from a Chinese spot

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Speaker 1: like this? Oh man, I had to be like, but

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Speaker 1: you're were in two It had to be like two

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Speaker 1: thousand and four or something like that. Wow, that's a

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Speaker 1: long time. And I eat a lot of wings, so

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Speaker 1: funny because you look like you're a nostalgic land right now.

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Speaker 1: You're like, no, because you know, taste is one of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, taste and smell is one of the most

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Speaker 1: um sensory, provocative, uh mind melding type. You know, smell

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Speaker 1: is the most you remember the most when you smell

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Speaker 1: something like if a girl works past me with Chanel

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Speaker 1: number five, I instantly think of that bitch that broke

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Speaker 1: up with me. And I don't use the term bitch

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Speaker 1: in a derogatory sense towards females. It's more of a

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Speaker 1: hip hop colloquialism. Okay, well, what was going on in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four? Yeah, but like right before before

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Speaker 1: and then I want to know two thousand four what

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Speaker 1: the transition was? But oh no, well, so yeah I

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Speaker 1: was broken at ups and downs? Right. So six, I

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Speaker 1: get the call the DJ for a little kim, So

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Speaker 1: did you not know that I'm listening? I'm so I

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Speaker 1: get to call it trying to be eating. This is gross.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that, you know. I just I want to

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Speaker 1: tell you something people actually hate when we're smacking on

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Speaker 1: the show, and I try so hard not to. I'll

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Speaker 1: be like trying to quiet and every once while I

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Speaker 1: get an item where we're both like, see, that's the

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Speaker 1: difference between podcasts nowadays. In radio, we used to have

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Speaker 1: this thing called a cough button. It's a button right

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Speaker 1: by the mic, like if you're about to cough or

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Speaker 1: do something you don't want people. It's almost like a

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Speaker 1: mute button and you hold it down. Podcasts don't have buttons,

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Speaker 1: no no, but we have at it, you know. But

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Speaker 1: we did everything in real time, but just smack quietly, smoothly.

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Speaker 1: So I have to call a DJ for a Little Kim.

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Speaker 1: So I go on the road with Little Kim and

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Speaker 1: Junior Mafia before her first album comes out. So we

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Speaker 1: she didn't even have an album all yet. She had

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Speaker 1: like get money, get Money, remix players, anthem, a couple

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Speaker 1: of R and B for you know, features, and we

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Speaker 1: Biggie songs and he's like your favorite West Coast. We

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Speaker 1: would just make a show out of it. And I

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Speaker 1: then her album comes out, then she's popping, popping, like

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Speaker 1: we was going everywhere and the album's doing really well,

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Speaker 1: Time In and the song Crushed on You. So we

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Speaker 1: all popping and they still give me three hundred a week.

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Speaker 1: That was like the promo tour money. So then I said, yo,

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I want to stay doing this,

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Speaker 1: but it's not enough to survive. I was. I thought

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Speaker 1: I was gonna get more, and then I had to

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Speaker 1: quit and they hired some other guy. He sucks, so

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Speaker 1: they called me back. Then I was getting three hundred

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Speaker 1: a show, and I thought I was rich, oh, because

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Speaker 1: they went from three hundred a week. So then it's

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Speaker 1: like we go out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, we might

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Speaker 1: So I'm coming home with like twelve or fifteen hundred

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Speaker 1: a week, and I thought I was rich, and that

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Speaker 1: was how were you at that time? Yeah, you're you're

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Speaker 1: really rich at that time. And my rent was seven

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Speaker 1: right was a week, I'm making seven rent, Like in

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Speaker 1: my mind my rent is done God, then the rest

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Speaker 1: of it is just stacking up and you know. And

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Speaker 1: then that stopped. So I was just deejaying. And then

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Speaker 1: I started interning that on the radio for funk Master

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Speaker 1: Flex and he wouldn't pay me. He didn't pay me.

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Speaker 1: He paid me in knowledge and opportunity and food he

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Speaker 1: would pay for, like the food, like I order food

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Speaker 1: and you order yourself something, so like I had to

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Speaker 1: I would order whatever. He always ate crazy, so I

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Speaker 1: take gross in the morning, and that's it. And then

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Speaker 1: then I was back to broke, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And then but I learned how to make money. Flex

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Speaker 1: wouldn't pay me, but he taught me how to make money.

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Speaker 1: So as I mean, it's still to this day, I

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Speaker 1: use Flex tactics. Now, where was the transition where you

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Speaker 1: kind of broken two thousand four, but not eating this.

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Speaker 1: Um So, I'm on the radio. Let's see. I started

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Speaker 1: sometimes opening for flex, sometimes getting my own gigs. And

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Speaker 1: I don't really I don't spend a lot. Like I

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Speaker 1: bought one chain it was fake. I bought a platinum chain,

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Speaker 1: makes Julian. She goes, no, just get um well coded

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Speaker 1: and we'll put cubics of Coonian. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: I see the effort? Thanks? Can't you say all that?

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Speaker 1: Um So, she's telling me a lot of famous rappers

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Speaker 1: at the time, we're getting fake chained. But it was

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Speaker 1: that makes sense, but you believe, you know they can

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Speaker 1: afford the real change. Where would they wear the real chains?

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Speaker 1: Do in their house? I guess depending on where they

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Speaker 1: where DJ. The tunnel nightclub chains were getting robbed on

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so I got one chain, I said. So

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really a flashy guy like that. So I

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Speaker 1: stacked all my money, stacked it, stacked the stacked the stack.

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Speaker 1: So I was DJ and a lot um. Then Flex

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Speaker 1: would get me certain well, you know, we would host

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Speaker 1: and then like he got on MTV and he would like,

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Speaker 1: So I was making like a little bit of money

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Speaker 1: that's when I started getting like popular, like getting real

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Speaker 1: good gigs like that, gigs that pay two thousand, three thousand,

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Speaker 1: making a lot of money. You were in heavy rotation.

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Speaker 1: How's your ego around that time? Oh, my ego got

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Speaker 1: checked so early. My boy Ari, he saved my life

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Speaker 1: now you're just a huge stand up comic now. You know,

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Speaker 1: and ali Leah? I love Aliyah? Um, i'mally at the radios,

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Speaker 1: even know. I don't remember, but she would call me

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Speaker 1: Do you feel good? Like you're not stressed or nothing? Like?

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Speaker 1: Did you know now? Was that that was? I have

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Speaker 1: to mention this thing? But was that after the R

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Speaker 1: Kelly like anything? No? No, that was after because that

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Speaker 1: I'm a kid too, Like I don't know what this means.

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Speaker 1: You know, you guys were around the same Ageah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: whole big persona. If you had to put three of

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Speaker 1: these ladies in like a order of great I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: you already know who I'm gonna ask about, party Ya

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Speaker 1: and Nikki We're gonna leave at Lauren Hills would trump

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Speaker 1: all of them. But like greatest, Like if you had

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Speaker 1: need more specifics, like in Wraps, Niki Nikki's the Nikki

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Speaker 1: Rice the dopest bars. Really yeah, I know she writes

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Speaker 1: really good, But I think Cardi right corn Oh, let's see,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I don't want to take nothing

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Speaker 1: away from her. I respect her so much. Hold up

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Maybe some maybe some, but not there's

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Speaker 1: there's well maybe she just raps well on the beat,

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Speaker 1: incredibly delivered. But here's the thing, I know, all of

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Speaker 1: it in the industry knows who writes for her. She delivered.

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Speaker 1: She performs all your favorite arm by singers. Nine even

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Speaker 1: cent of them don't write their own songs. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's not even a thing like in hip hop. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: So that's how I look at Cardi. But she kills

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Speaker 1: the performance. She kills. Let me tell you, nobody gets

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Speaker 1: me more. Not only does she kill the performance of

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Speaker 1: That's what makes me upset, like to get to movies

424
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: or TV or the next thing. Like I don't like

425
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: when people use music because it's easy to put out

426
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: a record to get to the next thing. I don't

427
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: know if that's true. That's just how I felt, because

428
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: she doesn't like if you don't write, then do you

429
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: really want to rap? It's different with hip hop? You know. Well,

430
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: I think I think heard one day rap wasn't something

431
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: that CARTI was like easy to acclimate to think. I

432
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: heard it was a little bit of work and I

433
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: don't even think she really wanted to do it right.

434
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: But but but someone had pulled her arm. But do

435
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: you think that's Nikki's anger? Sometimes because Nikki always seems

436
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: very to me, she comes off very defensive, and I

437
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: think it's because she's writing and a lot of people aren't. Yeah,

438
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: it could be part of it, you know, it probably

439
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: goes a lot deeper. Like I I feel bad for

440
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: what I said earlierou Nikki, like I wish she had

441
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: Like I don't know her well enough. I don't know her.

442
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: I know I had one really big problem with her

443
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 1: and I to this day it bothers me. But like

444
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big advocate of mental health, and

445
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: some people don't go get the help. You know, you

446
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: can see when you get the help that I've gotten,

447
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: you see and other people like, oh, you I need this,

448
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: you need a little of that, And then you can't

449
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: tell them that, especially if you don't know them. You know,

450
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: I said my therapist. My therapist is giving me months

451
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: free of how many people have sent to her months free,

452
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: Like she's like, you ain't gotta pace so many you're

453
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: advocate for for for therapy. Clear. Yeah. Yeah, so that's

454
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: kind of just I just want to get back on No. No,

455
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: that's me because every time you mentioned something like, oh wait,

456
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: let's stop um now. As far as performance and groundbreaking

457
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: is Kim, Yeah, okay, yeah, I agree with that everybody,

458
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: and one way or another, all these females are somewhat

459
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: trying to not all not all, not like a rhapsody,

460
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: but anybody who's sexy on stage in hip hop, you're

461
00:26:44,359 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: getting a piece of that from Kim. Do you know

462
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: who I actually kind of wish would have went further

463
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: is a mail liked her like I didn't. I mean

464
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: I was young, I was very young, but I did.

465
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: I did like her. Yeah, but some of these females

466
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: like not females or you know what. This show's making

467
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: me think too much. I hate it. I'm looking inside

468
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: too much because I'm catching myself saying these females, but

469
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: that would never that. Men do it too. I've seen

470
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: a lot of artists like get a little deal, their

471
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: first deal, and like just while out, like this girl flexed,

472
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: this girl that flex has signed to him? If that Michelle.

473
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: I remember she came to the office with like her

474
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: McDonald's receipts. I was like, Yo, you gotta give me

475
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: the money back for this McDonald's. I was like, you can't.

476
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: You're bringing McDonald's receipts. That's crazy, Like, but was she struggling?

477
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: You gotta do there was money given. That doesn't mean anything.

478
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I can't ask another man paid

479
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: for my McDonald's. But what was it? A girl was

480
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: a female though? Right, That's okay. I'm just I mean,

481
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: I hate to be that hit the what it was

482
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: it called hypocrite whatever, it is, double standard, But I

483
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: can see why a man wouldn't do it. But I

484
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: could also see why a woman would. Why how? How?

485
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Because you know it's like, first of all, she was struggling.

486
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put myself in her. She struggling, But

487
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: she got money. You gotta check to get the deal. Yeah,

488
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: maybe she didn't handle it right. Well, maybe I said

489
00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: all meals covered by. But let's get back on you

490
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: for a second, and maybe we could pick two more

491
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: celebrities before, because I just want to talk about three

492
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: more celebrities. I want to talk about Ja. I want

493
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: to talk about I heard you you had did some

494
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: time in A and R. I want to talk about that.

495
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: And then I gotta I gotta talk about some comedy.

496
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: These fries are cold. Is there an air frier here? No?

497
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: Do you have an air frier, Michael? This guy's a microwave.

498
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: There is a microwave this Who is this person? He

499
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: said microwave. You can't put rise in a microwave. Let

500
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. What's your name? But Cam?

501
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: Did you got a red lobster? You ever get cheddar

502
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: Bay biscuits? Do you ever bring him home? How you

503
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: heat him up the next morning? If you say microwave,

504
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: won't kick you out of the studio so fast. You

505
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: put him in an right, what kind of people are

506
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: you doing business with? You know what, he's young, he's young.

507
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You getting cheddar bay soup?

508
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: If you put them in the micro wave young, you

509
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: know what? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you had a fried when

510
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: you were broke back in the day. Let me tell you,

511
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: eagle who put them onto the air fraight? I was

512
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 1: me right, give me my coup. Looking at it right now,

513
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: I was like, you need to get one of these

514
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: air fryers, like what I had to do to eat

515
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: broke back in the day. Air fry Nowadays, Oh my god,

516
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: you can make anything in the air it's the best. Yeah,

517
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: I agree. So let's talk about these names. Jay Z,

518
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: you gotta I'm a huge jay Z fan. I'm damn well,

519
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: like I have a I'm just giving perspective. I'm married

520
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: now and if you walk into my house, the center

521
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: of my house, like in the living room, there is

522
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: like a six foot painting of jay Z sitting. It's

523
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: no one in the world has his painting. By the way,

524
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the day that I have the opportunity.

525
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: I haven't signed this only painting, only painting in the world. Okay,

526
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: I love him sitting with his feet kicked up in

527
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: the projects with a cooler picture. Yes, I had it

528
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: sent to my mom. I had her custom make this

529
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: painting for me. Yes, I haven't. And my husband to

530
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: this day says, we gotta move that and put a

531
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: family portrait. And I'm like, yeah, it's not going where.

532
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: He's like, you can put it, you can put it

533
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: in the It's not going anyway. But it's literally yeah anyways,

534
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: but I promise you this is a fight that goes

535
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: out of my house like all the time. But if

536
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: you walk in my house, it's an original painting of

537
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: a rare picture. It was Respect magazine that actually published

538
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: the picture, and I knew the publisher and I was like,

539
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: I need that picture. And then uh, does the painting

540
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: look like the picture or did the artist take some

541
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: artistic liberties? It's my mother who did it, and brick

542
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: by brick bro your mother did your mother? Artists? Yeah?

543
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 1: You artist? So I have the only one. I assure

544
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: you I have the only one because I know no

545
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: one in the world has done that. So now that

546
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: I would love that, really, he would love it. Well,

547
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: if you got the plugs, you know, make it happen.

548
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: I assure you I have the only one that's fire. Yes, yes,

549
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: I'll send you a picture. So with that being said,

550
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: please tell me you got a good hope story with

551
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: a good hope. I storry I got a million stories

552
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: with hope, but like I don't nothing nothing like that

553
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: sticks out, like nothing funny. Oh he's super funny. I

554
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: feel like he's super sarcastic, super s Like. Then let

555
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: me tell you about Hope, I know whole on a

556
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: such a personal level. Um, wait, we want on a

557
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: personal level. Yeah, I mean I've never been to his house,

558
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like I worked for him two

559
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: different times. Um, and then the last time, I was

560
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: a rock nation as an artist, so he kind of

561
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: managed me, but I was like also working there so

562
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: like I used to. So he started a label called

563
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: rock Loft Familiar. Um, when he was president of Deaf Jam,

564
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: he started rock Loft Familiar. And when you hear you've

565
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: heard of O g One, right, O g One is

566
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: the guy who the other guy who owned rock Loft

567
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: Familiar with him. So O g One is one of

568
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: my mentors as well. So O g One and j

569
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: other people who owned forty forty. So when I worked

570
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: for rock Loft, familiar with Wan. Wan didn't like to

571
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: be up at Deaf Jam. He's like, I don't like

572
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: being around all these music industry people. So he would

573
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: only go there for meetings, and our office would be

574
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: just in his office at forty. So every day after work,

575
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: j would usually go to forty forty, so we would

576
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: always be in the club. That's how I know Dez,

577
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: who's O g One's wife, who is now the lady

578
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: who runs rock Nation, but like she was like the

579
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: not the manager, but one of the owners of forty forty,

580
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: but she also man, so like these are my like,

581
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: this is like my family. So Jay would come in

582
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: there and it was like all walls down, Jay, right now,

583
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: James from Brooklyn, And you know you're from Brooklyn, right,

584
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: you know how you animals are like you people from Brooklyn.

585
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: You know you got that wall, that wall that comes up.

586
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: So I would see non wall hole all the time.

587
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: And then if me O g one and Jay in

588
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: a in his office or one office and we order

589
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: food chilling talking, this is when like I'll sell exactly

590
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: what this was. This is when Jay did the remix

591
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: to the Kanye song Diamonds Are Forever. So he had

592
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: just done it, and he was playing it in the

593
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: studio in the office over and over and and he

594
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: just kept playing it, playing and playing in it, and

595
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: like all he had was his verse. So it goes,

596
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: I got it from here, Yeah, damn, And I wonder

597
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: why he started it like that. But then when you

598
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: hear the song, you got Kanye's verse, and then Jake

599
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: cuts him off right, So he's playing that over and

600
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: over and over. Then t I comes in randomly, they

601
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: all start smoking cigars, and then Puffy comes in and

602
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: they all start smoking cigars, and I'm like, I'm around

603
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: my idols, I'm around rich people. I'm just ear hustling everything.

604
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: They're like two more people come in that he didn't

605
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: really know. They were like maybe Tis business associates or

606
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: somebody like they look white or European as suits. And

607
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: then I see the jay Z wall go up. Trew

608
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: super friendly, super nice and and friendly and um cordial.

609
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: But all the laughing and joking around he was doing

610
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: just two minutes ago stopped and he's and and I

611
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he's he don't know them. I didn't

612
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: know who knows who. I don't know, he don't know them,

613
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: and he and the wall went up like fast, and

614
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, so he knows how to turn

615
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: it on and turn it off whenever. But my favorite

616
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: ship is my favorite one. We're in rock Nation and

617
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: I was working. I was helping him with title when

618
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: it first started, and I don't know what. I think

619
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: they were just giving me a check, to be honest

620
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: with you, like we love sife, give him a check.

621
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: So so I was helping him with title, but nobody

622
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: was even listening to me. I was just there. So

623
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at the with I was on the one floor.

624
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: Hose office was on the next law up and it

625
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: was no stairs. You had to take the elevator. Somebody

626
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: the receptionist desk looking for an envelope to FedEx something whatever.

627
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: He gets off the elevator, he walks into the reception area.

628
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: I look up, I see him. I give my head

629
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: nod and I looked back down. Keep doing what I'm doing.

630
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: He walks past me, walks halfway down the hallway and goes, nah.

631
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I look over. He goes, I'm still jay Z get

632
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: excited when you see me and I was like, yo,

633
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: come on, and he walks back over to me. He's like,

634
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: you know what the fox is wrong with you? Wrote?

635
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? He goes, I'll

636
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: still jay z. I go we're at work, like you

637
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: want me to fan out of rapper fan out when

638
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: we're at work, and he got He's like, nah man,

639
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 1: nah nah nah, I'm just that walks away. I'm still Hove.

640
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm whole. I'm h to the oh. I was dying laughing, yo,

641
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: because he walked past me like an employee, like what's

642
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: and then called himself like nah no, no, no, no,

643
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: that was too little of excitement, because you can't I

644
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: don't know if what they tell employees at work there,

645
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: but I'm sure they tell them don't get crazy when

646
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: Hove comes around. I've heard stories. I mean, I'm definitely

647
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: not trying to take him, but I heard stories of

648
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: like people like you know, like they said that like

649
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: you can't take pictures of them. And I heard like

650
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: someone had took a picture of him in the hallway

651
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: and they got fired and then like no phones were

652
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: allowed or some crazy stuff. I believe that you gotta

653
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: earn it you gotta earn it. Yeah, I've heard some

654
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: stories because there's some just high level people there in

655
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: the corporate in the in the corporation, but um, there's

656
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: also like just people who might not even really be

657
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: into hip hop that like work there. Yeah. Yeah, So,

658
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: and the turnover rate was high, you know a lot

659
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: of people. The company was growing so fast, people just

660
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: getting hired. And I'm sure they had to tell him, like,

661
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: I can't fan out over this guy, but it's hard.

662
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: He got that aura, Yeah, he got that aura. So yeah,

663
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm in London for Carnival, which is like the London

664
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: version of Labor Day Parade in Brooklyn, and um, I'm

665
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: DJ for a little Kim the only doing like three songs.

666
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: And then Jay was there with Dame and they said

667
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: that d J Clark can't got stuck at customs. They

668
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't let him in. So he's like, Kim, can we

669
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: use your DJ? So I d J for jay Z

670
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: and he went before us because Kim was bigger than

671
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: him at the time, and all he had, all he

672
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: wanted to do is ain't no and dead press and

673
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: so remember this, it's crazy to just imagine that Kim

674
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: was bigger than j it's crazy but bigger, like yeah yeah, yeah,

675
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: no no, but sometimes it's crazy looking back now. And

676
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: then like Jake comes in, that's that's biggest friend. They're

677
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: all like super excited to see him. But he wasn't

678
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: the biggest rapper. He was just biggest friend that was

679
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: coming up. And and so there's a West Indian day

680
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: Uh festival, So you know a lot of West Indian

681
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: a lot of reggae records on forty five. So on

682
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: a turntable, it's third D three and it's forty five.

683
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: So when you play forty five records, you have to

684
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: click the button and that makes the turntable go faster.

685
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: So then I go to DJ for J but it's

686
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: like yo, yo, yo, DJ got stuck with you. DJ

687
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: for Us, we're going on right now. So I grabbed

688
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: my record. I run up there and they're like yo, yo,

689
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: we're ready, were ready, go go go play ain't no first.

690
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: So I go up there and it's still on forty five,

691
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: so I go, I just throw the record on. It's

692
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: like doom doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom,

693
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: and you know he starts the verse starts right off

694
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: the top. So as soon as I'm scratching, he gets

695
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: ready to do the verse, and it's mad fast, and

696
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: he gives me this look like you just ruined my life.

697
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: You ruined my life, you ruined my career. And it

698
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: was the craziest look ever. And I was like sorry.

699
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: And so to this day he brings that up. To

700
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: this day, he'll bring you you remember you ruined my

701
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: show in London. I'm like, I didn't ruin it. We

702
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: just it was ten seconds. It's like it's brought it back. Okay,

703
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: so let's let's bring it to like when you were

704
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: a A and R. So tell us a little bit

705
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: about that experience, which one like, uh, let's just talk

706
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: about Drake or like that I heard did you do

707
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: did you have anything to do with Drake? Oh no,

708
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: I was supposed to tell us about it. I failed

709
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: miserably tell us about it. Tell us about it. Um,

710
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: I have a joke that I do that I couldn't

711
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: sign Drake and I didn't do it. But that's not

712
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: as the joke is like makes me look like a loser,

713
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: but really it's not. So so Toronto is like my

714
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: second home. So I was in Toronto every year for

715
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: for Caravan and which is the other West Indian festival.

716
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: But I used to be in Toronto all the time

717
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: my card and now will fish out like one of

718
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: my best friends. And I got introduced to Drake through

719
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: who's the guy that runs um the Ovio thing? Um

720
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: what's his name? Oliver Listen? I don't know. He runs

721
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: like he runs like the Ovo clothing all that stuff.

722
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: So he I was up there and they were like, yo, safe,

723
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: um this is when I I was. It was oh seven,

724
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: so I was I just I think I just left. Yeah,

725
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: I just left Rock at Familiar because I got a

726
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: job as a VG on MTV, and Hove said to me, yo,

727
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: you should take that job. You can always be an

728
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: A and R. You're not always gonna be the young

729
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: hot DJ that gets on MTV. So I was like, okay,

730
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: you're right. So I took it and then uh so

731
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: Drake uh people, they gave me his CD and if

732
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: you look it up, it's the CD where he got

733
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: the peak code on with the with the leaves with

734
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: the fall leaves behind them. You know I'm talking about

735
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: right if you google, I forgot what it's called. But

736
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: he got the peak code on and the autumn leaves

737
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: in the background, and then I was like I looked

738
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: at I was like, what the what the this is? R?

739
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: And B what the this? And then um and then

740
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: so he go here's the stories. He met me at

741
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: this place called Frands Diner, and he went to Toronto

742
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: those friends dinner and he was like, yo, I'm trying

743
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: to get a deal. But he was mad young, like

744
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: super young, and I just told him. I was like, yo,

745
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not looking for artists right now because

746
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: I just got on MTV, like I'm I'm trying to

747
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: do my thing, you know, I'm not trying to sign

748
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: anyone right now. And he was like, no, I'm telling you,

749
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm this, I'm that, And I was like, I believe you,

750
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: but I just I'm sorry, it's just not I was

751
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: starting to feel because I had gotten this whole Rhianna

752
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: situation where basically not taken away from me, and I

753
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: felt like I was like, I'm not I'm gonna focus

754
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: on me. Also, I was managing the group Need the Sky,

755
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: and they they were annoying me because like I was

756
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: doing more work than them, like I'm showing up early

757
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm setting up to turn. I was DJ for them,

758
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: I was managing them. Sometimes it would be late. Sometimes

759
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: it would playing about the bread and I'm like, yo,

760
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: any bread, any bread you get for performing is worked

761
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: it like we gotta get to it. And so that

762
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: I was frustrated. So I was like, I'm not looking

763
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: for artists right now. I want to just focus on me.

764
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: I wish I could wrap, because if I could wrap,

765
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: I would outwork all of you. And that was my concept.

766
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean that was my idea, um my mind frame.

767
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: So they're like a year and a half later, maybe

768
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: not that long, maybe like a year, Like he starts

769
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: getting the buzz like all the college girls like, oh, Drake,

770
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: Drake Drake. I was like, I know, I know someone

771
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: named Drake is that that that can't be the same kid.

772
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: And it was the same kid and then but I

773
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: was still cool with him. I'm still cool with him

774
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: to this day. My old manager runs over up. Mr

775
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: Morgan runs it like but like you know the famous

776
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: freestyle when he came up to flex and he had

777
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: the BlackBerry. There's like a YouTube video where everybody made

778
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: fun of him because he was reading off the black

779
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: berry that I'm the one who brought him there. I

780
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: brought him to Like, I was telling Flexio, this is

781
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: this kid, he's really dope. He's from Toronto. Flexis that

782
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: you love Toronto everything And I said, no, I'm telling you,

783
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: he's buzzing, like you know, we should get him up.

784
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: But he came up. But I didn't sign him. But

785
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: I could have signed, Like Rihana was responsible for helping

786
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: get a deal, so you helped get her. Oh, I

787
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: got her the deal, Like I got her the deal. Yeah,

788
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: and then um and then um, I almost got Damien

789
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: Marley a deal, but um, it was like very close.

790
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: But then the Marley family was like, because he was

791
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: trying to sign in the Rock Left Familiar. Rock Left

792
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: Familiar was like jay Z. It was called like a

793
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: world label, so we were trying to do Caribbean. We

794
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: were trying to do Spanish all that stuff, and the

795
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: Marley family was like, we don't sign to rappers. They

796
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: like they shut us down. Okay, Cube, Mr jay Z,

797
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: but we don't wear Marley Gonna signed to rappers. Man,

798
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: it was nasty. So where did comedy come into mix? Oh?

799
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: Because I didn't sign Drake so I got fired. Now

800
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: comedy came, um, my name dropping too much. We love it. No, no, no,

801
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: we love this guy. Yeh. So okay, there's a lot

802
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: of different So basically I'm no, no, no. There's a

803
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: lot of reasons why comedy came into play. First of all,

804
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: when I got my own show on the radio. My

805
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: first big show is called Cipher Saturdays. It was, you know,

806
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: difference between a jock and a DJ, like a DJ

807
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: mix his records and a job just talks like Andrew

808
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: Martinez is a job. So they gave me the show

809
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: on Saturday nine am to two pm. They wanted me

810
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: to be a job from nine am to noon and

811
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: then mix on Saturday at noon. Never been done before. No,

812
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: but you gotta remember everything we here nowadays is so common.

813
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: This was the first time ever there was a DJ

814
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: on the radio at noon on a Saturday. Because I

815
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: was like, yo, let me mix. My boss was like, yo,

816
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: you could be a jock. I was like, I don't

817
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: want to be a job. I just want to be

818
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: a DJ. She's like, I let you DJ, but you

819
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: gotta be a job because she saw something in me

820
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: that I didn't see at the time, that I would

821
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: be a good radio personality. I'm thinking noon on a Saturday.

822
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: Everyone's in their car, watching their car, doing laundry, grocery shopping,

823
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. Like it was like

824
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: untapped market as far as like mixing like party vibes.

825
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: So so anyway, when I got that show, when I

826
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: was doing the talking part, I would be doing pranks

827
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: because nobody's there on Saturday. There's no bosses in the building.

828
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: That was wilding out I was doing. I would call

829
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: one Chinese restaurant and then put him on conference code

830
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: with another Chinese restaurant and and even start yelling at

831
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: each uh, doing like that all the time, and then um,

832
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: y'all listen, if you want to have fun, try that

833
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: just and then go can't place the order, and then

834
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: that's what I gotta say, and just let it run. Um.

835
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 1: So I was doing these little pranks and everybody would

836
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: say to me, you're funny. You know you're funny on

837
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: the radio, like I'd be DJ and at night and

838
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: girls would calling to me like, yeah, yo, you're man funny,

839
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: you man funny, So like the hustler brain and me

840
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: was like, why do you keep saying funny? Like what

841
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: is this funny thing? The hustler brain nowhere in there

842
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: that I think I was a comedian. I was just like,

843
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: people keep saying, I'm funny, How can I make money

844
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: with funny? So I started producing a comedy show and

845
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: had it packed out because I was on the radio,

846
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: so I could, you know what I mean, the same

847
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: way I could had every DJ in the world was

848
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: doing a nightclub, not one DJ was doing a comedy show.

849
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: So I was like, I wonder if I could get

850
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: people to come to a comedy show and then from there.

851
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: But also before that, I was a DJ on The

852
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: Chappelle Show. So Dave we used to warm up the

853
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: crowd before we started taping, and I used to do

854
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: some DJ yo the Little John skit came from me,

855
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, Little John? Um. Dave Chappelle's Little John was like,

856
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: what yeah, that came from me. I had a Little

857
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: John record and we would be working with the audience

858
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: and and Dave would say something. I would just scratch

859
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: in what yeah yeah, what yeah? And he was like, yo, yo, yo,

860
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: why why do you why do you keep doing like yo?

861
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: That's the thing people say when they hear a Little John.

862
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: And then like a couple of weeks he shot up

863
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: a little John sketch sketch. So anyway, so Dave was like, Yo,

864
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: you're funny. You should do stand up And I was like,

865
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: this is two thousand two three, How the fun what

866
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: I do? Stand up? What are you talking about? Like

867
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: you're an idiot? But this Dave Chappelle, he knew. And

868
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: then another time I was on when I was on MTV,

869
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: both Will Smith and Jamie Fox said, I was funny.

870
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: You're seeing a lot of funny keep popping up. I'm

871
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: just being me. I'm funny with my friends on a

872
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: road trip. Yeah. Yeah, well you sound like you're a

873
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: lot of fun to be. Oh no, no, I'm not

874
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: fun at all. No, no, no, i'm funny. I am

875
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: not fun. I am boring. So looking at Eagle, is

876
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: that I'm out? He was like, yeah, man out him Eagle,

877
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: Eagle with favorite Favery funny comedian him and all the

878
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: other younger comics. After the show, they're chilling, They're talking

879
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: about to go somewhere drink that. I'm in my car.

880
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm watching fucking Colombo in my car on

881
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: the way home. Um. But like Jamie Fox like, I'm

882
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: just being a VJ. And MTV and they're like, yeah,

883
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: you're funny. Bro was like really, why why are you

884
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: saying that? And Will Smith was like yo, he pulled.

885
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: He pulled me aside, goes, do you do comedy? I

886
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm a DJ. Heees you should do comedy.

887
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: I was like wow, okay. So then they always funneled

888
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: around in my head and I started doing that show,

889
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: and then I started taking it seriously okay, And then

890
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: when did you actually step behind the mic and like

891
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: become standard? So I did. I would say I did

892
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: a year of my shows at this place called Comics

893
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: it's not there anymore, fourteenth to nine, and it was

894
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: called it Don't Get Gas Comedy Series. Everybody came to

895
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: my show, all rappers, I mean, Drake was there, a

896
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: little Wayne Rick Ross um t I. Everybody came to

897
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: my show then, Kevin Hart, my Gaps, Tracy Morgan. Like

898
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: my show used to be, oh, I don't know nothing

899
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: about sports, but they used to be crazy NBA players

900
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: and football players in there, like my boy, my boys

901
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: be like, that's John Starks. Just say something about dunking

902
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: on Jordan's. I was like, oh right, I gotta say that.

903
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: Go yeah, you're dun Dune Jordan, and the crowd was crazy.

904
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the funk I'm saying, but

905
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: um so yeah. So then that became like this celebrity,

906
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: but the celebrities would all come. And then after a

907
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: year of that, I was just I was just going

908
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: on stage saying hi and then introducing the comedian. And

909
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: then I tried one little joke here, one little joke there.

910
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: It started to work. Oh that's funny, like da da da.

911
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: And then like a year of that, uh, some comics

912
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: step to me. Uh, Talent Capone, Will Sylvans, a couple

913
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: of those guys, Mark Vieira, they cornered me and they go, okay,

914
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: we need to talk to you. I was like, okay,

915
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: what the fuck And they're like, you seem to be

916
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: really trying to take this ship seriously, because when radio

917
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: people do a comedy show, they like kind of steal

918
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: jokes and try to just run off their radio fame

919
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: or whatever fame. Like He's like, they were like, you

920
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: you seem to really like this. I paid well. It

921
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: was a Tuesday night, pat everybody wanted to come to

922
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: my show, and I paid well. I didn't care about

923
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: making like I would pay a lot, and they were like,

924
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: if you want to take this seriously, you need to

925
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: know this doesn't count. I was like why, They're like

926
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: this your fans, these are your audience. They know you're ready.

927
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: You gotta go where no one knows you because you're

928
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: so They're like, come to like this little hole in

929
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: the wall or this little bar and queens or whatever.

930
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: And the next year was just bombings, horrifically bombing, just disgusting.

931
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: But I kept going back. So they were like you

932
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: you want to be a comedian, so you gotta like

933
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: now really and music and then so then then I

934
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: then I was on the morning show on Hot and

935
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: like a comic, like somebody like let's say Kevin Hart

936
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: like this before he was big. But he was like, yo,

937
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: you want to come to Albany with us this weekend,

938
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: but like we're leaving on Thursday. We gotta show Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

939
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't. I'm on the radio. And

940
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: this is where when I had the chance to go

941
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: beat Rihanna's DJ, I said no because I was on

942
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: the radio, and I always regretted it. So then I

943
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: so then I started regretting when comics would ask me

944
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: to go open for them and I couldn't go. So

945
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: that's when I started saying, oh, I need to make

946
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: a choice. Che made the choice. Yeah, the last two

947
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: years of Hot Night Severn were horrible for me. Horrible.

948
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: So where can your fans or people that are interested

949
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: in seeing your stand up or find you get tickets

950
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: to your show? Like? Where can they all catch you at? Um? Well,

951
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: if I'm in New York, I'm a mostly at the

952
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: Comedy Seller. But do you do Instagram and all that stuff? Yeah,

953
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: it's just my name as Cipher sounds c I p

954
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: h A sounds um like. I always say the Comedy Seller.

955
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: But then also the Comedy Seller sells out every show,

956
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: so I don't even invite people there because we can't

957
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: get them in. Yeah, but you know people, you know people,

958
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: people are gonna want to So I started posting clips

959
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: on my Instagram about a year ago, And the only

960
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: reason why I do it is because my my hip

961
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: hop fans did not necessarily follow me to comedy, which

962
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: pissed me off, and I had a long talk with

963
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: a friend of mine. He was like, no, it's not

964
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: that they didn't follow you. You didn't tell them to

965
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: follow you like they're supposed to just do it, you know,

966
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: like you gotta tell them. So I started posting clips

967
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: and my only reason I post clips is for all

968
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: my old fans to see I do this now. Yeah,

969
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: that's my goal, and it's working. You know. I'm not

970
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: trying to blow up off TikTok and Instagram yet right now.

971
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: I just want I already have a fan base right now.

972
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: You're just like trying to make the official announcement that

973
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: there's a transition and happening. Guys, you want to keep

974
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: it with Cipher Sounds and everything he's doing comedy wise,

975
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: because he's officially in the comedy circuit. And I'm seven

976
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: years late and announcing this. So thank you so so

977
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: it's officially been announced that Cipher Sounds, yes, exited. But also,

978
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: like I said before, I don't care. I'm enjoying the journey.

979
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: Don't come whatever, come check them out because I know

980
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 1: I will be. Um, thank you so much. I didn't

981
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: get to any stories yet, all right, thank you so much.

982
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: Has got a microwave form these French fries. You thank

983
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: you so much for coming all the way down to Brooklyn,

984
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: because I know you absolutely look at you hating on Brooklyn.

985
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: Make sure you keep the energy for j Listen. Last thing,

986
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I know you gotta go. We gotta leave.

987
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, Charlomagne. Two things. One b K is the

988
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: stupidest thing in the world because it's two syllables brook Lynton,

989
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: so it should be b L. I don't know how

990
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: it became b K. It's so the name of where it.

991
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but look at eagles face. His wheels are

992
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: turning like listen, I don't know why you Brooklyn people.

993
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: Where do you live in brook Clinton? That makes no sense.

994
00:57:55,080 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: It's Brooklyn. Also, you Brooklyn people live on island. I

995
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: know you hate to admit it. I know you don't

996
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: want to admit it. You don't want to look at you.

997
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: Your hurt right now, you're upset. Look at the map.

998
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: There's a place called Manhattan, and to the right of

999
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: that on the map there's a place called Long Island.

1000
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: The first place you see on that island it's Brooklyn.

1001
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: But you live on Long Island. I'm sorry. I know

1002
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: you guys. You guys are listened to the show, but

1003
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: we have a we have a small audience here and

1004
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: if you see Ego Ego wits in the house. If

1005
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: you see his face, his jaws, like, I might not

1006
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: listen if if you never hear from me again, I

1007
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: was murdered somewhere in Brooklyn. Microware and French fried dudes. Well,

1008
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: I just want to say, it's a pleasure having you.

1009
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: We may have to do if I come back to

1010
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: New York. We may just have to do another another

1011
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: run of this because I feel like you have a

1012
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: body of art of stories. Can we do it in Manhatan?

1013
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: We could, We could, We could make an exception to

1014
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: do it in Manhattan. Hopefully my budget will be bigger.

1015
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: We're doing. I'll do it. Deal, deal, Now what we

1016
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: gotta do to get this jay Z painting signed? Make

1017
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: it happen. For visiting Long Island and coming to be it.

1018
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: We really appreciate eating these wings. Everybody you can catch

1019
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: Cipher sounds. Follow him on Instagram. I'll be checking him

1020
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: out before I leave town. I'm gonna try and figure

1021
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: out where you're as. I'll go to comedy seller tonight,

1022
00:59:34,280 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: comedy seller. All right, it's good, it's any month. Brow