WEBVTT - Ballistic Missile Melee 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:19.639 Mr garbutsch Off teared down this wall. Either you're with 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.079 us or you were with the terrorists. If you've got 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.880 healthcare already, then you can keep your plan. If you 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.400 are satisfied with is not the President of the United States, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.880 take it to a bank. Together, we will make America 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:40.520 great again. It's what you've been waiting for all day. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.720 The Buck Sexton Show joined the conversation called Buck toll 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.680 free at eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.839 four four nine hundred to eight to five. The future 0:00:52.880 --> 0:01:01.280 of talk radio, Buck Sexton and the worst twenty minutes 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:06.400 of my life. I thought that we are disappointed and 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.120 angry that this happened. We do know that everyone on 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:14.120 the island was affected in some way. Very frightening, traumatized, scared. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.640 I didn't know if if I was going to die 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.000 a second or die in the the next five minutes. It 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.479 was horrifying. I came across to our phones that there 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.640 was a missile that was gonna hit, and nobody knew 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.960 what to do. I filled up fields of water, and 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.039 I filled up the bathtub just so we would have water. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.200 I got caught in clothes on so that way, if 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.640 there was hot air fire, it wouldn't melt my skin, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.080 and I sat in the bathtub that I made for 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.320 myself and cried. I called my mom. She wouldn't let 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.200 me hang up on the phone with her. She said, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.160 I want to be here just in case it happens. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.640 And it was really sad. A ballistic missile threat to 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:57.960 Hawaii that was totally fake, false in error. Buck Sex 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.360 in here with you all. Thanks for joining me in 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.440 the Freedom Hut. We have got much to discuss today, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.600 my friends. So this is what happened. That that was 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:12.160 some reaction to a text message that got sent out 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:19.320 two people in Hawaii by a state government agency. And 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:25.799 here's what the message said. Emergency alert, ballistic missile threat 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:34.000 inbound to Hawaii. Seek immediate shelter. This is not a drill. Now. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.480 I'm not somebody who I think is prone to getting 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:43.000 overly anxious or or scared or freaked out about the 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.200 possibility of a terror attack or any number of things 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.120 out there. I used to work in counter terrorism, and 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.880 so if I saw something that I look like it 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.840 was fake to me, I'd probably ignore it. This was 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:00.720 an official message, and Hawaii, it is believed, is within 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:07.520 missile range of North Korea nuclear range who knows, but 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.120 certainly within missile range. And whatever we think we know 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.560 about North Korea could also be wrong. And if I 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.960 had gotten this message, I would have been quite anxious 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.840 about it, understandably, so I think anybody would be. Now 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:28.280 people already are calling for greater accountability and saying we 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.119 need to make sure this never happens again. I understand 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.840 all that, and I agree this can't happen again, because 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.440 let's just start with a one thing that I think 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:45.400 has not nearly gotten enough attention in the media. This 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:50.240 happened in Hawaii, which is a relatively uh small state 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.400 in terms of population, and it happened on a Saturday, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.480 and it didn't go out to everybody in the island, 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.680 only some, and only one over some text message carriers, 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.840 I forget which ones. And they tried to sound the alarm, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:10.960 literally sound alarms in Hawaii, and only some of them 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.520 went off on the streets, you know, ambulance kind of 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:20.480 alarm sounds, and so it could have been much more 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.719 of a panic than it even was. Imagine if this 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:26.640 had happened for a moment, if you were in the 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.680 state of well here in New York City or in Philadelphia, 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.760 or in Dallas, or you know, you name it, where 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:41.120 you might have had panic in densely packed civilian areas. 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.080 It could have been at a at a football stadium. 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.440 It could have been and and people could have been hurt, 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:54.440 And the possibility of widespread panic turning into loss of 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:59.200 life is very very real. In fact, recently, when the 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:06.400 wild five fires were burning in California, state authorities there 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.040 chose not to send in at least one instance, a 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:13.440 messages out because they weren't sure which direction the wildfire 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.440 was going in. And they also didn't want to possibly 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.880 tell people to evacuate only to put them in the 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.560 path of a wildfire by trying to get out of 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.880 a certain area. And they didn't want to further congest 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:32.480 egress routes without knowing where the fire was going to burn. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:38.680 So there are some complexities here. There are people who 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.279 are paid at the state government level to try and 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:45.000 handle this stuff so that we can all have some 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.479 hope of getting out of a other of an otherwise 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.800 life and death situation. But people are clearly upset about 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:58.720 this TULSEI Gabbert, who it's among, Well, I was gonna 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:03.360 say among my favorite Democrats. Why because I like her policies. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.839 She said, well, no, that's actually not really true. She's 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.440 just kind of charming in her own way. But she 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.480 said the following about this, and our leaders have failed us. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.919 Donald Trump is taking too long, he's not taking this 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.480 threat seriously, and there's no time to waste. We've got 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.720 to get rid of this nuclear threat from North Korea. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.360 We've got to achieve peace. Not played politics, but achieve 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.279 peace because this is literally life and death that is 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.839 at stake for the people of Hawaii and the people 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.760 of this country. So it's about getting peace with North Korea. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.080 I mean, sure, we would like to achieve peace with 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.680 North Korea, but North Korea is the problem. They're not us. 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.000 And as much as getting a lecture from a Democrat 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.960 rap out in Hawaii may make the left feel kind of, uh, 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.000 kind of warm and fuzzy about all things, this isn't 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.480 all that all that useful. Uh, this is not all 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.960 that helpful. The media did manage quite quickly to tie 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.560 Trump into this. I think there are a lot of 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:11.840 people out there, and I don't want to be flip 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.080 about this. I think there are a lot of people 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.800 He's going to be flip about it or happy that 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.120 this at least didn't happen while President Trump, while watching 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.760 was watching Fox and Friends, and instead it happened when 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:21.920 he was out on the golf course and he was 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:28.000 informed about this by by layers of advisors and such. Um. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.040 I think he's being flip about it. You know, I 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.600 was not watching Fox and Friends. You could do that 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.440 to anyone at any time. You all, oh, well, you know, 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.920 not just sitting there. You know, it's not like Bucks 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.440 sitting there in his sweatpants eating chicken nuggets at one 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.960 o'clock in the morning because he didn't make himself dinner 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.000 because he was working on a history podcast blah blah blah, 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.360 and yeah, that that could have happened. I did have 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.000 chicken nuggets for dinner at one point this weekend. But 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.640 Jake Tapper is out there saying, oh, it's a good 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.320 thing Trump. Yeah, because let's focus on whether Trump is 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:02.160 the problem here or not. Um, how could this happen? 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.520 You know, look, people ask me this. Look, you're working 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.560 kind of terrorism at the A couple of friends asked 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.200 me or counter terrorism at the m Y p D. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.200 I was like, look, I don't know, I don't know 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:18.520 how the Hawaii Ballistic Incoming Ballistic Missile system warning works. 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.040 I have no idea. I'm gonna lie, you know. I 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.200 wish I knew about all these things. I wish I 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.520 knew about some of the other government stuff that goes on. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.640 But no, I have no idea how Hawaii system works. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:34.400 So I can't give you some inside analysis of whether 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.720 or not Hawaii has a bad system other than the 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.679 fact that clearly it's not a very good one. Here's 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:48.600 what the Hawaiian Emergency Emergency Management spokesperson, I suppose, this 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.120 is what Verne Miyagi is the gentleman. This is what 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.679 he said about it. It's a human era. There is 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.679 there is a screen that says are you Are you 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.839 sure you want to do this? Okay? And I think 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:05.000 that's already in place. We had one person, human arrow, 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.520 and that thing was was pushed anywhere, so they not 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.520 only triggered the alert, they also pressed yes. Yes. There 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.880 wasn't two steps process. There was a press yes in 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:21.440 both situations. Now, I think it's fair to ask. I 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.719 think it's fair to ask, uh, okay, if it was 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.400 just a button, somebody could push the button. You know 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.160 you're not paying attention. You got your coffee, you know, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.720 you throw a little you know, non dairy coconut creamer 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.760 in there, maybe a little Stevia if you're feeling fancy 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.400 and you know, you knock it over and all of 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.200 a sudden whoops in you you hit the button. But 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.000 if you hit one button and then there's another button 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.920 that you have to hit in order to make it 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:57.880 go mm hmm, a little strange. I can't go as 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.400 far as to say that a person would intentionally do 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.679 this because I really can't, off the off the top 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.680 of my head, I can't think of why somebody would 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.360 want to do this. I've seen a lot of outrage 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.320 about how the government employee needs to be reassigned here, 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.720 and I'm like, sorry, fired instead of reassigned. Re assigned 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.280 not good enough. I always just want to note that, 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.240 you know, that's not really the unless the person acted 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.160 with malfeasance or or true. Well, I think in competence 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.840 is very likely here, but it doesn't really matter. It 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.959 doesn't really matter if there's one person gets fired or not. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.640 It is very likely if the person did get fired 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.280 that he or she might be able to sue and 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.440 claim that the system was faulty in some way, and 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.840 that would just be then a problem for the taxpayers 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.760 to deal with. But something weird happened here, for sure. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.400 I woke up on Saturday. I was up. Yeah, I 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.400 keep talking about it. I make it sound like my 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.960 weekend was interesting or actually, no, I guess I make 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.800 it sound like it's even more boring than it was 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.040 because I didn't do anything other than research and study 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:07.120 and right. But Ms Molly's was on her way to 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.440 Hawaii when this happened in the air in a plane, 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:11.880 and I didn't I knew she was all right. I 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.760 didn't know what exactly. You know, I don't check and 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.680 see when her flight's gonna land. She just usually text 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.000 me to let me the flight was fine. So I 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:20.960 don't know when she whether she had or if she 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:25.960 was landing or anything else. Um. It's it's it's amazing 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.520 that this thing, that this happened the way that it did. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.720 Look the good news is written as far I understand. 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.560 Nobody was hurt. Clue, there's no ballistic missile. Yeah, but 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.560 also nobody was hurt. Um, so that's good. Although people 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:41.160 were terrified, there was an emotional distress that many of 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.800 us would certainly feel, but it brings up the the 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.480 bigger issue there. There's there's two levels here. On one hand, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.640 there's the or on the one level, I'm mixing my 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.440 metaphors here. There's two levels with one hand. Uh. On 0:11:54.520 --> 0:12:00.160 the one on the one you have the ineptitude the 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.679 Hawaii state government with this system and they messed up 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:07.040 big time. Uh. Wasn't it some years ago? I forget 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.679 what happened? Wasn't there Uh? What administration was it? When 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.439 the plane was supposed to do a fly by? I 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.079 guess it was Air Force one was supposed to fly 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.640 by the Statue of Liberty and you know down lower 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.360 Manhattan planes close to ground that everything was. It was 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.839 it Obama, but I don't remember now, but there was 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.800 a plane that that flew it was a government plane. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.480 I think it was Air Force one that flew too 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:31.360 close to Uh. Um, let me know, guys, let me know. 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.680 We got producer Mike in uh in the chair today, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.240 so he's he's with us now. We've had some changes 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.079 here in the Freedom Hut, which I'll also talk to 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:40.640 you about later on. I want to get a chance. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.000 But yeah, producer Michael, let me know what the what 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.880 the deal is with that. I'm pretty sure it was. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.560 I think I see. I don't want to say it 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.600 was Obama because then it's like I'm blaming the Obama 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.880 administration more than I already do for things. But I 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.640 think it was that. I mean, they flew a plane 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.920 close to Statue of Liberty, but it also frightened some 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:03.600 people because it was there, we go That's what I thought. Yeah, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.079 So Lower Manhattan was hit on nine eleven by two 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.800 planes find close to skyscrapers, so they decided to fly 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.079 Air Force one for a photo op very close to 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.640 Statue of Liberty, which people that remember are people who 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.520 remember what happened that day eleven. When you have a 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.000 jumbo jet that's getting pretty close to to ground down there, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:25.400 that that weirded some people out. Understandably, this is, you know, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.400 similar to that in terms of the ineptitude, the foolish 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.280 decision making and all that. But then it also raised 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.400 the issue of wow um. One of the reasons this 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:41.960 was so frightening was that it's conceivable, right. One of 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.640 the problems here is that if you were to get 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.160 a message those of you listening to the show, uh, 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:50.840 those of you who are listening to the show in 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.920 the Midwest. If you've got a message that you know 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.600 China was invading, you might be like, well, I mean, 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.719 I think they're gonna have I'm not sure they'd get 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.920 here first, you know, I'm sure the Chinese invasion force 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:08.600 is gonna have, you know, paratroopers over Omaha first. They 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.040 probably have to go to one of the coasts. There's 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.080 there's other stuff that would happen that wouldn't concern you, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:18.240 But Hawaii a nuclear missile that's actually concerning because it 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.240 could happen because it's within range and there's a belligerent 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:22.760 power there. So we should talk a bit about this 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.800 because there's a new era we have entered now of 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.800 perhaps having to think again about the possibility of a 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:37.680 conventional military strike, even a nuclear military strike against the homeland. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.320 That's very different from where we have been psychologically as 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.400 a country for a long time, for almost all of 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.280 my adult life. We will get into that and much 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.200 more after the break. What do you think about this Hawaii? Thank? 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.920 Am I missing something? Is there a part of this, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.280 that part of this that I've left out that you 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.040 think is important here? Do you do you think of 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.120 some of some of suggested that this could not have 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.440 been a mistake, that maybe this was either a really 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:09.040 dumb prank or or a sending some kind of a message. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.680 I don't know. I'm just wondering if you have you've 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.280 got thoughts out there about this? Eight four to five, 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:20.520 eight four buck. We have much more show coming up, 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:29.600 my friends, So stay with me instant. The launches made, 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.760 we know it, and then will very quickly make a 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.600 judgment about whether we're being threatened or not. And then 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.920 a notified appropriate command, and it's that command that would 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:43.160 marry up with local state emergency management centers. In this case, 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.760 of course, there was no launch, and that emergency management 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.840 center acted on their own without a military command advising 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.280 them that they have detected the launch. Not only detected 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.280 a launch, but it's a threat to them. The emergency 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.920 management center in Hawaii, they know full well that they 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.640 should not be providing an alert to their citizens without 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.160 the military command advising. And that's such a thing actually exists, 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.720 and it's actually threatening to the people in Hawaii, and 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:14.240 that did not happen. Jack Keene over Fox News saying 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:18.000 how an actual missile launch would be, well, how we 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.280 know about it? What would happen. What we would uh, 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.360 how how that chain of information would work. Oh, by 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.880 the way, before producer Mike told me that it was Obama, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.360 he gave me the date too, but I just said, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.400 oh yeah, I forgot he wasn't on air. So but 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.920 the point is that, yes, it was the Obama administration 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:38.040 that flew a flue Air Force one too close to 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.240 the Statue of Liberty, and it gave some people quite 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.360 a jolt and lower Manhattan because it reminded them of 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:47.240 what happened on eleven. Mike in uh Winston Salem, North 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.360 Carolina got some ideas about what happened. Mike. Good to 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.000 have you. Hey, how are you doing tonight? I'm all right, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:57.160 thank you for calling. Thank you. Yeah, I'm I'm programmed 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.800 PLCs and and things like that. And got a theory 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.439 that may play into here. Um, there's a couple of 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.800 problems that I'm hearing this was a training exercise, if 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.560 I'm not mistaken where I've heard. And it's possible that 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:15.440 whoever programmed this PLC or touch screen is what I'm 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.600 assuming it is. I don't think it's actually manual buttons anymore. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.200 My guess is that this was a PLC or PC 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.919 that had a touch screen, and somebody hit the screen, 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.720 and when it came up to do the next step, 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.080 they did it, and from there in a training exercise. 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.520 My assumption is that they wouldn't actually be able to 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.359 trigger the alarms that would go into a another mode, 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.879 and that was probably where the problem is going to 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.440 be found out. That's my opinion. Just feel like you're 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.119 gonna see that this was a programming issue or an 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.000 h m I issue human human machine interface was not 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.480 connected correctly, or a procedure issue. I don't. I think 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.840 they panicked the first time and tried to correct it 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.840 so fast that they hit it again. That's just where 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.439 I'm seeing right now. And and it's sad, But so 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.040 do you so, Mike, You've got you look, I appreciate 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:09.639 your expertise here. You think that the individual who is responsible, 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:14.359 who has been reassigned, maybe didn't mess up quite so 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.240 much as people think in terms of how much responsibility 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.520 is on him or her as opposed to the system. Right? 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.879 Is it? Is? It? Is it your analysis that the 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:27.480 system maybe here was part of the problem. The programming 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.480 of the system. There there were some fail safes that 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:33.760 were in place that did fall in there. What happened 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.359 was I feel that the that what happened is the 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.679 is the programmer didn't follow through with his programming. They 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.879 didn't check the system to see if this would happen, because, 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:47.639 like I said, I feel I've heard that this is 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.280 a training exercise, and a training exercise should never be 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.360 allowed to go to the final point. It should show 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.359 up on the screen or you should show up on 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.240 the PLC or whatever that there that this can happen. 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.639 But it's supposed to be locked out, so it can't happen. 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.600 So I don't thought this person not I'm not saying 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.480 I'm not saying that the system isn't broke, but I 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.000 think it's a programming issue as much as anything else. 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.119 Right now, all right, Mike, thank you so much for 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.280 the call. Good to have you an sir. All right, man, 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.200 I appreciate thank you. Eight four N two five. You 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.280 got any more thoughts? A little more just on the 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.159 implications of living in a world where we actually have 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:25.639 to be concerned about nuclear weapons aimed at us, because 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.440 that's new for us, isn't it, folks? That? And then 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:35.159 the latest on the budget ceiling fight, and also Docca 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.320 and some what's the other thing I'm leaving off here 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.000 that I want to talk to you about. I'm forgetting 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:44.720 what it was. Oh yeah, someone got uh well, it's 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.840 kind of complicated. Let's just say that I'm gonna talk 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.680 to you about Azizon. Sorry. Later in the show you'll 0:19:49.680 --> 0:20:05.000 see why they're right there. He's holding the line for America. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:11.000 Buck Sexton his back understanding why North Korea has developed 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.040 and is holding on so tightly to these nuclear weapons 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.399 because they see it as the only deterrent against the 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.199 US coming in and overthrowing the regime there. So that 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.160 exists as a result again of our decades long regime 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.600 change war policies around the world, that North Korea is 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.399 now in a position where Kim Jong un is saying, 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.399 no way, I'm not going to give up these nuclear 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.679 weapons because he doesn't see that credible message coming from 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.800 the United States that we don't We're not interested in 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.600 overthrowing your government. We're interested in removing this nuclear threat 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.680 from our country in the world. All right, I take 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.120 it all back. That was representative from Hawaii, Tulsei Gabert 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.919 and and everything she said was idiotic there, and she 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:53.960 has no idea what she's talking about, And forget about 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:55.760 me saying that she's a democrat. She's one of the 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:57.879 democrats that I like more than other democrats. I take it, 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.680 I take it all back. She's that was That was 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.720 a terrible display of ignorance. There few things the idea 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:09.520 that North Korea has nukes because of us. The only 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.800 way somebody could think that is if they have not 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:17.760 even the faintest familiarity with the ideological origins of the 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.399 North Korean state, with the Kim dynasty, with the functioning 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:26.119 of North Korea, with the reason for that state's existence. 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.560 No one could say that North Korea wants nukes because 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.800 of us if they knew any of that other stuff. 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.479 Because the truth is that North Korea wants to invade 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:45.720 South Korea, and North Korea can prevent a US invasion 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.640 of South Korea. It doesn't need a nuclear deterrent for 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:54.399 US to be uh stopped from going in Militarily, they 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.479 can destroy most of for all of Seoul, South Korea 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.560 very rapidly with conventional artillery. Plus North Korea has chemical 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:07.960 and biological weapons. At least we think who knows, We don't. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:09.560 We don't really know what it has, but I'm sure 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.840 it's got all kinds of nasty stuff. Plenty of reason 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.159 to believe that North Korea has managed to hide away 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:21.120 all kinds of w m D that aren't even the 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:26.200 nuclear variety. But this is a little guy. I understand 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.199 for some people who are ignorant about foreign policy and 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:32.360 how the world works, it's great to just find some 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:36.400 tie in to blame Trump in this administration. But this 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:41.520 phrases in a more serious way, putting aside Gabbard's nonsense. 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:46.240 In a more serious way, it's worth noting, Uh, they're 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.199 our concerns now about what the future looks like in 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.840 the world that's going to have more states with nuclear weapons. 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.359 Here's what people don't want to say out loud, but 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.439 most of the folks that I know who have some 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.320 idea what they're talking about will will say at least 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:09.040 offline or you know, away from microphones. Very likely that 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.800 North Korea is going to get nuclear weapons that could 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.920 hit anywhere in the world soon, and it is very 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.040 unlikely that anyone's going to do anything about it. It 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:26.160 is also likely that Iran will get nuclear weapons at 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.040 a more distant point in the future. Of the North 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:32.320 Korea is completion of its ballistic and nuclear weapons programs, 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.480 and I don't think anyone will do anything about Iran 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.960 having it. And at that point you have major not 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:44.480 just problems of dealing with the missile threat, but also 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:48.119 non proliferation issues. And you know, what do we do 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:52.800 within Iranian regime that wants to give Let's say the 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.960 Assad regime in Syria which has still state in power. 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:58.840 You don't hear much about it these days, but what 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.719 do we do if the Iranian get nukes and then 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.639