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Speaker 1: Astronaut Clayton Anderson is our guest. With space being in

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Speaker 1: the news, who better to join the show. He saw

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Speaker 1: him on Fox News as their expert on the matter

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Speaker 1: last week. Clayton, let's start with your reaction emotionally, personally,

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Speaker 1: professionally when you saw our astronauts come home last week.

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Speaker 2: That was pretty thrilled. You know, I've been removed from

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Speaker 2: but I replaced Sonny as back in two thousand and

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Speaker 2: seven when she had finished her first flight. So I

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Speaker 2: have a kindred spirit with my Space sister, and it

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Speaker 2: was important for them to get home safely after all that,

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad they did.

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Speaker 1: I know, you stay up on NASA matters and space matters.

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Speaker 1: What happened, my understanding is they were going up for

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Speaker 1: a few days, and nine months later they were branded there.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if i'd use the word stranded,

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Speaker 2: but the star Liner, the Boeing star Liner, took them

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Speaker 2: up for an eight to ten day test flight with

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Speaker 2: which is an awesome answer, right to spend a couple

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Speaker 2: months on the space station while we look at the

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Speaker 2: star Liner and try to figure out what happened. So

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Speaker 2: they do all that, and then they come to the

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Speaker 2: so they send it back empty. Well, now they are

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Speaker 2: stranded for a brief period because they don't have a

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Speaker 2: is your escape seat to go home. And so that's

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Speaker 2: why they needed the SpaceX crew to come up with

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Speaker 2: and bring the Sonny home. The thing I don't really

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Speaker 2: which then drove for the nine months. That's the part

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Speaker 2: I don't know, and I'm not privy to all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Clayton, if you wouldn't say they were stranded there,

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Speaker 1: what word.

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Speaker 2: Would you use? I would say, give.

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Speaker 1: Me a better word. That's more descriptive.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So between the time when the star Liner left

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Speaker 2: But once they get up there, there's plenty of food,

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Speaker 2: there's plenty of water, there's plenty of oxygen, there's plenty

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Speaker 2: We understand that environment. We've understood it for you know,

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Speaker 2: twenty something years now, so and they could contribute to

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Speaker 1: That's a long period of time, so there had to

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Speaker 1: Do you have any sense of the length of those

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Speaker 2: was plenty of food, plenty of water, and they were

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Speaker 2: never worried. From that aspect, I would imagine Once they

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Speaker 2: But once all that happened, it's pretty much steady as

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Speaker 1: Well, the problem with that is women will often lie

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Speaker 2: Well. You know, it's funny. I lost both times I

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Speaker 1: All Right, I have a question. We're going to handle

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Speaker 2: The same way you pass a movement when you're down here.

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Speaker 2: You just need a little bit of a vacuum cleaner.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, And and the same for for the same

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Speaker 2: For the next time.

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Speaker 1: Are you anxious and tense when you're doing such things

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Speaker 2: The very first time on the Shuttle, I was scared

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Speaker 1: Right, Interesting, how does it change you? How emotionally physically? Anything?

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Speaker 1: What are the things we would take for granted ury

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Speaker 2: Physically? I don't think much. For me. My five months

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Speaker 2: But what it did for me was it strengthened my

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Speaker 2: believe all that. All that's true. We're on spaceship Earth. Right,

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Speaker 1: Well, so much of life is, if viewed properly, an

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Speaker 1: It goes back to talk about George Foreman and talk

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Speaker 1: to say just sunny side Jewish. It's all about perspective,

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Speaker 1: and you have such a good perspective as an astronaut.

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Speaker 1: You've used it to write children's books. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: astronaut Clayton Anderson coming out. This is the Michael Barry Show.

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Speaker 1: Not every day you get your own customized intro by chance, McLean.

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Speaker 2: Clin Hey, that was pretty awesome out.

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Speaker 1: You know, we would license it. We will license that

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Speaker 1: to you for your own introductions, for your speeches and things.

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Speaker 1: If you would like.

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Speaker 1: Clayton Conrad Anderson is a retired NASA astronaut launchtone STS

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Speaker 1: one seventeen. He replaced Sunita Williams on June tenth, two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven, as a member of the ISS Expedition

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Speaker 1: fifteen crew. Currently an author, motivational speaker, and professor of

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Speaker 1: practice at Iowa State University in Ames, Iowa. Twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: he became the president and CEO of the Strategic Air

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Speaker 1: Command and Aerospace Museum. I just was reading from your

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Speaker 1: wiki Wikipedia profile. I don't know if you've if you've

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Speaker 1: checked that out in a while, Clayton, let me ask.

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Speaker 2: You a question. I wrote most of it.

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Speaker 1: No, I wasn't going to say that. Let me ask

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Speaker 1: you a question. So in I don't know. Two thousand

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Speaker 1: that President Trump had given him three goals and none

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Speaker 1: of them were related to space travel or science. The

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Speaker 1: What is the state of NASA today?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think there's some unknowns going

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Speaker 1: Do you think that space travel as we once knew it,

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Speaker 2: It's commercially driven, and it's very safe and used by many,

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Speaker 1: What do you make of Elon's ability to do the

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Speaker 2: all those things. So it's like the explorers in America

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Speaker 2: So we're in that way in space travel. And I

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Speaker 2: we oftentimes figure out and fix the difficult, but it's

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Speaker 1: Clayton Anderson, astronaut Clayton Anderson's our guest. I have two

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Speaker 1: minutes left, so I'm going to be fast because I've

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Speaker 1: been wanting to ask you about this for a while.

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Speaker 1: So you served as an aquanaut during the Nemo viv

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Speaker 1: for fourteen days. Right, what is the future of our ability?

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Speaker 2: I probably have less expertise. If I have any expertise

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Speaker 2: in anything, just make something up. But okay, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I think it's an extreme environment. Right. Space and underwater

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Speaker 2: we should live underwater too. In space and underwater, I

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Speaker 2: think they're both great venues.

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Speaker 1: You know, the mind of a child and what inspires

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Speaker 1: all these things are so incredibly important. Clayton Anderson, it's

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure. We will have you back again. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you, sir.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Michael, and my best to the King

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Speaker 2: of Ding as well.

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Speaker 1: You got it, astronaut Clayton Anderson. Our guest there Faeta writes,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to share with you that my amazing

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Speaker 1: Aunt Dale turned one hundred yesterday. We had a lovely party.

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Speaker 1: She's an amazing woman and has more years ahead Faeta Fanish.

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Speaker 1: She included a picture of the adorable adorable Aunt Dale,

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Speaker 1: and Aunt Dale has a sash on like she's just

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Speaker 1: won the Miss America contest. Debbie writes, I'm listening to

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Speaker 1: the sweetest lady on your show. She's talking about Joyce

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Speaker 1: to say to Sunnyside, and I'm thinking about my own mom.

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Speaker 2: Fyi.

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Speaker 1: Sally Atkins the fisherwoman from Cold Spring. She was ninety

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Speaker 1: eight in October and continues to be so happy. She

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Speaker 1: to get those nails done, and living life to the fullest.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes she'll say, I just can't believe I'm still here. Lol.

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Speaker 1: I don't need a response to this email. It was

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Speaker 1: just on my mind after listening to this cute lady

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Speaker 1: this morning. Such inspiration from these older people who make

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