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Speaker 3: Oh what is going on? Happy Thursday to you, man,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Jaymark.

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Speaker 4: Great to be with you. We are inching our way

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Speaker 4: towards ball. We are just a little over a week

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Speaker 4: away until we get college football. Now, Week zero sucks.

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Speaker 4: It's a horrible slate of games. I'm not gonna try

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Speaker 4: try and tell you it's awesome, but it's ball. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 4: and then the week after Week one in college football

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Speaker 4: we got some great matchups and the NFL not too

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Speaker 4: long after that. Man, can you feel it? Can you

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Speaker 4: feel it in the air? Ball is right around the corner.

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Speaker 3: J Martin?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean the only thing that I can't

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Speaker 5: feel yet is the temperature that I want to accompany

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Speaker 5: the ball that is around the corner. Because of Nashville,

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Speaker 5: it's just been an insanely, insanely hot just in crazy

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Speaker 5: hot summer. We're like plus ninety five for the next

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Speaker 5: seven days with one oh five plus heat indexes. So

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Speaker 5: it doesn't feel like ball well, I mean, it feels

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Speaker 5: like two a days and in high school and all

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Speaker 5: that kind of stuff, But it doesn't feel like ball weather.

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Speaker 5: But we're getting there. We are getting there until I

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Speaker 5: think that's gonna be The bonus is it's gonna be

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Speaker 5: temperate again. I can walk outside without feeling like a

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Speaker 5: heat stroke.

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Speaker 4: Is zeer by there you go, okay, nice and yeah,

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Speaker 4: if you're into the cooler temperatures, ball signifies cooler temperatures,

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Speaker 4: you know. So if if that's your thing, right there,

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Speaker 4: it won't be insufferable with the summer temperatures. But this

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Speaker 4: is the one thing that caught my attention the most,

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Speaker 4: and I wanted to dive in it with you. Brown's

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Speaker 4: quarterback Shaudeur Sanders, speaking of ball, played well in his

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Speaker 4: preseason debut last week. Well, he suffered an oblique strain

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Speaker 4: here Shane Mark that was in practice on Wednesday and

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Speaker 4: so he's unlikely to play on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: That was the next.

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Speaker 4: Preseason game at the Eagles. So it looks like he's

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Speaker 4: not gonna be out on the field. So the first

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Speaker 4: question is where does this leave Shauduur on the depth

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Speaker 4: do you think it's going to shake out for the

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Speaker 4: Browns leading up to Week one? If you look at

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Speaker 4: don't know, question mark there, what do you think it

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Speaker 4: looks like come week one for the Browns QB depth chart?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean it's We knew this was going to

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Speaker 5: then read seven or eight different things pieces in order

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Speaker 5: Shaudor helped himself out a lot by what he did

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Speaker 5: be able to duplicate any NFL. I just look at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, well, it's two separate things, and I

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Speaker 4: like how you thought of it, what you would do

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Speaker 4: and what the Browns might do. It's much easier to

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Speaker 4: a walking, walking wild card over there. I think it'll

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Speaker 4: He's got a lot more say. I don't think they

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Speaker 4: Week one. I get your reasoning. I just don't think

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Speaker 4: go Flacco. It's probably gonna be almost exactly what it

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Speaker 4: I don't know if Gabriel is gonna get on the

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Speaker 4: ahead of Shaduur. So it might go Gabriel and then Shaduur.

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Speaker 4: gonna keep four quarterbacks, let's deal Kenny Pickett. Maybe they

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think that when

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Speaker 5: I look at it, Flacco is obviously just kind of

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Speaker 5: I'm not big at all on Picket at the stage,

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Speaker 5: but it would make sense, at least for right now,

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Speaker 5: I just continue to look at Shador and I'm like, man,

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Speaker 5: why are you not in New Orleans? Man? Because I

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Speaker 5: haven't heard and seen very much good about Tyler Shuck

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Speaker 5: just seems like it seems like the Brown created a

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Speaker 5: problem needlessly, and I'm waiting for them to sign another

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's the thing, man is. There are a

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Speaker 4: few teams and we'll see where it goes. It was

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Speaker 4: a good preseason debut for Shador. I know you and

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Speaker 4: I aren't going crazy like he's gonna be the next

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Speaker 4: the now or the future on the roster. The Jets

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Speaker 4: that could have been in a better position with Shador

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Speaker 4: and they elected not to. This is the other thing

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about. Jason Martin, Brian Know with you

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Speaker 4: here in for two Pros and a Cup of Joe

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Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio, do you think it makes sense

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Speaker 4: that Shador Sanders is the biggest story in the NFL

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Speaker 4: right now, because for sure he is. There's not another

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Speaker 4: could look at it one of two ways, j Mart,

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Speaker 4: and both sides make some sense. You could look at

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Speaker 4: it and say, no, it doesn't make any sense at all.

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Speaker 4: He's listed as the fourth string quarterback right now. He's

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Speaker 4: not gonna be the starter. Best case, he's the backups backup.

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Speaker 4: Or you could say, yeah, it makes total sense. He's

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Speaker 4: basically Bronnie James with talent. Right he's got a famous dad.

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Speaker 3: Right now, which way do you look at it?

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Speaker 5: Probably the latter. I mean, I think that once you

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Speaker 5: think that's kind of what it's been, and there hasn't been.

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Speaker 5: You can correct me if I'm wrong, But there's not

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Speaker 5: a whole lot else just right now that's particularly interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: there's gonna be storyline after storyline obviously once we get

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Speaker 5: Michael Parsons contract thing, which is just Jerry Jones finding

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Speaker 5: a way to stay relevant in the offseason and have

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Speaker 5: people talking about him. It's not like a bunch of

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Speaker 5: guys have been saying stuff about one another. There's not

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Speaker 5: a lot of disputes out there. It's just the usual, right,

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Speaker 5: It's the preseason predictions for the season, like we're starting

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Speaker 5: just trying to dodge injuries in the preseason. But I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of something else that there's really

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Speaker 5: meat on the bone, and mine has always been the same.

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Speaker 5: It's in the same division. It's just that I think

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Speaker 5: Pittsburgh's going to have a bad year this year, and

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Speaker 5: that's got the Aaron Rodgers effect. But you can only

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Speaker 5: talk about that so much, and I think that people

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Speaker 5: I guess now he's talking about the helmet, so I

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Speaker 5: guess you could potentially discuss him saying that the helmet

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Speaker 5: in terms of just something that creates it seems to

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Speaker 5: then comment on what's been commented on. And I think

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Speaker 4: You know, they've they're paying Josh Allen huge money and

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Speaker 4: when you've got a rookie deal, you take advantage of

435
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 4: it and the bills that they're going for it. Washington, Yeah,

436
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 4: they're dragging their heels as of right now with McLaurin.

437
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't. I'm not. This is the first time

438
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 5: that I have been out of sync with what Washington

439
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 5: has done since Jaden Daniels got there. I'm not sure

440
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 5: what you're trying to accomplish here. I still think this

441
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 5: this is somehow going to get done, but this just

442
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 5: seems it seems counterproductive because again, that rookie contract, and

443
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 5: you said it perfectly like you have got to take

444
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 5: full advantage of that, because it's amazing that you found

445
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 5: a unicorn like quarterback that in one year you know

446
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 5: he's the guy, You absolutely know he's the guy, and

447
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 5: you can put the weight of the franchise behind him.

448
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 5: Now you need to surround him with everything possible to

449
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 5: try and win a chip before you have to pay him.

450
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 5: And so I don't know what why Terry McLaurin would

451
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 5: be the one where you're deciding you want to stutter

452
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 5: a little bit. One thing about what you said about

453
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 5: James Cook about him being sixteenth in yards, I will

454
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 5: say this, in Buffalo, the running back is more of

455
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 5: a luxury than it is in other places because of

456
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 5: Josh Allen. Yeah, not just the way he throws the football,

457
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 5: but the way he runs the football as well. Just

458
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 5: his overall skill set makes the running back a little

459
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 5: bit less of a necessity than it would be in

460
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 5: some other places. For example, like you mentioned Tony Pollard, Well,

461
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 5: I mean Pollard was in a team that couldn't throw

462
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 5: the football at all basically last year, so he was

463
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 5: gonna get more rushing attempts. I would say that we

464
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 5: can't critique the amount of yards that James Cook has

465
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 5: in Buffalo because we have no idea what he would

466
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: have done for a team that doesn't have Josh Allen

467
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 5: at quarterback. I think he's got I think he's he's

468
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 5: a luxury, but he's a nice luxury to have, Like

469
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 5: he's the car that maybe you didn't need, but boy,

470
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 5: it looks pretty good. Like it looks pretty good in

471
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 5: your garage, it looks pretty good when you do have

472
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 5: to take it out for a spin. So I think

473
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 5: that there is something to that. But yeah, it's it's

474
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 5: absolutely to me, just kind of like a real head scratcher.

475
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 5: Why Washington would be digging in their heels when right

476
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 5: now they should be. They should just be very excited

477
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 5: about the season to come. And they've kind of created

478
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 5: their own little tabloid session over the last couple of months.

479
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 5: And that does give me a little bit of pause.

480
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Now, I hear what you're

481
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 3: laid out right there.

482
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 4: And it's funny too, because you could make the argument,

483
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 4: if you're Buffalo, it's like James Cook is good, but

484
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 4: can we not find a guy that does similar stuff?

485
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 4: You know, in the third or fourth round? Is James

486
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: Cook that special that we can't find a guy in

487
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 4: the draft to do some similar stuff? They could make

488
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 4: that argument, Josh Allen what he brings to the table.

489
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 4: I think you could have a decent amount of running

490
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 4: backs that could be productive in that offense, and they

491
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: still pay James Cook, right like.

492
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 5: He must be pretty special to them.

493
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.

494
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 4: But that's where I scratch my head with Washington, where

495
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 4: it's like, what's Plan B if you don't have McLaurin there,

496
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 4: And he's in. He's in the neighborhood of a top

497
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: ten wide receiver. He had thirteen touchdown grabs last season.

498
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 4: He had a huge year with Jayden Daniels. He's clearly

499
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: his top target. So unless McLaurin is just being unreasonable

500
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: and he's like, I'm not budging unless I get thirty

501
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 4: five MILLI year, and Washington's just like, Bro, that's like,

502
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: you're resetting the market.

503
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: We can't do that.

504
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 4: Unless mclaurin's just absolutely crazy in this negotiation.

505
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I don't know what Washington is doing.

506
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: I want to throw a curveball at you here, j Martin,

507
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: because I saw the NBA Christmas Day schedule. Yeah, and

508
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 4: there's one game that stood out and I wanted to

509
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 4: throw a question in your way. I'm curious what you

510
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 4: think about this. So it's Spurs Thunder. So think about this.

511
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 4: Five years from now, which franchise do you think we'll

512
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: have more success? Is it the Spurs who are really

513
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: young right now? Or is it the Thunder who are

514
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 4: young at least their core is young. But they're older,

515
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: you know with their core guys than the Spurs are.

516
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 4: When you look at Wemby Stefan Castle, who was the

517
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 4: rookie of the year, Dylan Harper just got drafted. Dylan Harper,

518
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: you want to feel old for a second. Dylan Harper

519
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: was born in two thousand and six.

520
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: He's nineteen years old. That's under Did you need that this.

521
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 4: Early in the Sorry quite frankly, sorry, but who you

522
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: going with?

523
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 5: Fight?

524
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: Let's say, what is it twenty so beginning twenty thirty,

525
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 4: which team like with its core do you think we'll.

526
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: Have more success? Spurs or Thunder.

527
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 5: So that's a tough question for me to answer as

528
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 5: a diehard Thunder fan. Man, I mean, in the way

529
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 5: you set it up, I think you may have your answer.

530
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 5: And I'm not necessarily against that. Like it might be

531
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 5: the Spurs because because of youth, and because there's a

532
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 5: lot of organizations that could screw up the youth, could

533
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 5: set it back, could make the wrong decisions, But the

534
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 5: Spurs generally have made a lot of right decisions. Now

535
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 5: they haven't been a factor in a few year years,

536
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 5: But I mean before the thunder truly emerged, they were

537
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 5: a nothing team too, Like they were stockpiling things for

538
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 5: the future. They were clearly building. Sam Presty was building

539
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 5: with a few years down the road in mind, as

540
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 5: opposed to trying to turn everything around overnight. And a

541
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 5: lot of teams when they bought them out or when

542
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 5: they have gone from hero to near zero, as the

543
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 5: case was in San Antonio, they just kind of disappear

544
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 5: off the map and they just start making good decisions

545
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 5: in the draft and making good decisions in their office.

546
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 5: And the Spurs have done that, like to your point,

547
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 5: they had the Rookie of the Year, they drafted Wimby,

548
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 5: they acquired Fox, like, they've done some things to make

549
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 5: themselves better. It wasn't gonna make them better overnight. But

550
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 5: all of these things, when you collect them together, contribute

551
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 5: to a hole that can become very impressive over a

552
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 5: course of time. And so five years from now is

553
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 5: an eternity in sports time, like who knows what happens.

554
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 5: There was a point in time when Kevin Durant didn't

555
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 5: seem to have an ego at all when he was

556
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 5: in Oklahoma City and then there was one article that

557
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 5: he didn't care for in the Oklahoma and the next

558
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 5: thing he knows or the next thing we know, he's

559
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 5: going off the Golden State. So who knows how guys

560
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 5: react to everything that's happening. There's a lot of talent

561
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: in Oklahoma City, and it's still a relatively young team.

562
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: But I would be, man, I don't know, Man, that's

563
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 5: like fifty to fifty to me. I think he could

564
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 5: go either way. I think I might lean Spurs just

565
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 5: because of the youth, the youth and just because of

566
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 5: how that system has generally been. But we also don't

567
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 5: know what that looks like with Popovich completely out of

568
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 5: the picture in a completely different role. So we have

569
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: to see, you know, whether or not he's going to

570
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 5: have more of a pat Riley effect the way that

571
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 5: he has in Miami, whether they've got the right coach,

572
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: all of those kinds of things. So I might say

573
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 5: fifty one, fifty two percent Spurs forty eight percent Thunder.

574
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: I know that's like a incredibly hedging my bed, not

575
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 5: a great sports radio answer, but I don't have like

576
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 5: a I don't really have a hot take either way.

577
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 5: I think both of them have a case to be

578
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 5: right there.

579
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's legit. I think it's really close.

580
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 4: I would have to say I would go OKAC because Okay,

581
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 4: five years from now, Sga is twenty seven, he'll be

582
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: thirty two, right, so you know, thirty two, thirty three,

583
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: thirty four to thirty five, he's got some prime years.

584
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 4: He's going nowhere from OKC like he's gonna be there

585
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: for the long haul. So I think what OKC is

586
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: gonna do, They're gonna build around their core guys. You're

587
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: gonna see Sga, Jalen Williams, chet Holmgren. That's the core.

588
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: They've committed to those guys. I think they'll be there

589
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: beyond their contract extensions and what they're gonna do. They're

590
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: just gonna go young. They're just gonna keep using all

591
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: their draft picks. Sam Presty's very sharp. If somebody outside

592
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: of those core three gets a little too expensive, they'll

593
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: deal them or let them walk, and they're gonna go young,

594
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 4: and they're gonna have just a rotating supporting cast around

595
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: that core. And but with that core, I think they're

596
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: gonna maintain their success. They're gonna be in the mix

597
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 4: for a long long time, and five years from now,

598
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: I still think they'll be in the mix. But the

599
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 4: thing is with the Spurs, they're so freaking young. You know,

600
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: Wemby's twenty one. He's a kid, So five years from

601
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: now he's gonna be twenty six. He say he's got

602
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 4: another decade in him.

603
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 5: So that five year question you're asking, do you think

604
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 5: the Spurs win a title within five years?

605
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

606
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 5: Even if they want to go with the thunder answer,

607
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 5: they could probably win a championship during that span.

608
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: I don't think within five years the Spurs will get there.

609
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 4: I think after five years the Spurs are absolutely live

610
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: to get there.

611
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: But I don't think they turn it around that quickly.

612
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 4: I think after you know, once we hit twenty thirty,

613
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: Spurs are gonna look way better than they do right now.

614
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be a problem. Five years from now.

615
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 5: Man, that seems like it's so far down the road

616
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 5: the Spurs fans. Right now, it's just like, man, I mean,

617
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: it's gonna be You're gonna see a lot of growth

618
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: and some teams maybe take that step a little bit sooner.

619
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: Of course, health is going to play its role and

620
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 5: play its factor in that as well. But yeah, I

621
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 5: mean maybe I'm maybe I'm just trying to couch it

622
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 5: a little bit and be careful as a thunderfan, I'd

623
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 5: never try to get too high with my own team.

624
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 5: Like you. Probably you're probably a little more negative on

625
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 5: the Dolphins than a lot of people are, just by design.

626
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 5: I kind of in that way. Like I hear a

627
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: lot of good stuff about the Denver Broncos right now.

628
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 5: Love what I'm hearing from Sean Payton about bo Nicks.

629
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to be real cautious going into the

630
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 5: season not to get too high, because when you get

631
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 5: too high, you end up way too low. It's very

632
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 5: easy to disappoint high expectations. So maybe that's why I'm

633
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 5: just trying to be a little more cautious there. I

634
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 5: think if you're if you're right that they are not

635
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 5: going to a championship within five years and then they're

636
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: gonna be a problem, then the answer would have to

637
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 5: be Oklahoma City, because I do think Oklahoma City is

638
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 5: gonna pull another one over the next five years.

639
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I would bet on OKC getting there. Yeah,

640
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: for sure, I think that will happen. I just think

641
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: if you compare those two not now, but like beginning,

642
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: Like the starting blocks are five years from now.

643
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: That's when the race begins.

644
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 4: Like, So, once we hit twenty thirty, who do you

645
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: think is going to be more successful?

646
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: It very well might be the Spurs.

647
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 4: I would bet on OKC, just because you still get

648
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 4: prime years from SGA. You're still gonna have another five

649
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 4: years from him once we get to twenty thirty. And

650
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Speaker 4: I think I just believe in Presty. I believe in

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Speaker 4: that organization. Yeah, I would bet on them having more success.

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Speaker 4: But I would not be surprised in the least if

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Speaker 4: that's wrong and the Spurs do. But there you go,

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Speaker 4: a little NBA on a Thursday. How about that craziness here?

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Speaker 5: And it wasn't about the Lakers, That's.

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Speaker 3: Right, it can't happen. It was about the s All

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Speaker 3: fall team.

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Speaker 4: All right, he's Jason Martin, I'm Brian know we're in

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Speaker 4: three teams are you going with? We'll throw that at

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Speaker 4: All right, j mart So I saw some betting news

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Speaker 4: that I thought was interesting. So apparently bet MGM they

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Speaker 4: had a better that hit him up, and this was

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Speaker 4: in Glendale, Arizona. And the better said, you know what

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Speaker 4: I want three big time college football wagers here. All right,

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Speaker 4: So this better put three hundred k on Texas to

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Speaker 4: win it all. Then he put two hundred k on

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Speaker 4: Penn State to win it all. Then he also put

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars on Clemson to win

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Speaker 4: a championship this season. So basically, with the odds the

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Speaker 4: way they are, he would win just about one point

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Speaker 4: five million dollars if any one of those three teams goes.

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Speaker 3: On to win a championship.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so it begs the question, if you put a

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Speaker 4: bet on three different college football teams to win a

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Speaker 4: championship this season, which three teams are you going with?

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Speaker 4: Are you going like him? Texas, Penn State, Clemson? You

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Speaker 4: get shaken it up.

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Speaker 5: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: Who do you have your eye on?

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Speaker 5: I do like Texas Man, Penn's. It's hard to put

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Speaker 5: money on James Franklin. Man absolutely is not because I

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Speaker 5: don't think he's a good coach. It's just is he

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Speaker 5: a championship coach. I've always been pretty down on him

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Speaker 5: because I've watched him since his time at Vanderbilt where

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Speaker 5: I covered him here in Nashville and just kind of

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Speaker 5: like watched what's happened at Penn State. Do they have

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Speaker 5: a roster that's talented enough to win it all? Yes,

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Speaker 5: they absolutely do, especially if Aler takes the next step

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Speaker 5: in his career. But I don't know, like I can

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Speaker 5: understand why some have him have Penn State preseason rank

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Speaker 5: number one, but I could also see why you would

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Speaker 5: just kind of kind of wait and see when it

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Speaker 5: came to what Penn State was actually gonna do. But

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Speaker 5: at the same time, who do you feel better about

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Speaker 5: than the three teams mentioned. I can understand why you

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Speaker 5: would go with Clemson. One club Nick is awesome, and

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Speaker 5: two it's still the ACC. So there's not a lot

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Speaker 5: of depth there when it comes to anything. Even if

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Speaker 5: Alabama has a really good year, I don't know that

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Speaker 5: Alabama is a national championship contender this year. I am

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Speaker 5: still kind of baffled by the love for Garrett Nusmeyer

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Speaker 5: and LSU. But I think a lot of teams across

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Speaker 5: the SEC have quarterback questions, so you have that argument.

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Speaker 5: Of course, you have the defending champions in Ohio State.

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Speaker 5: They're going to be certainly heard from, but what are

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Speaker 5: they going to look like at some positions surrounding the obvious?

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Speaker 5: I don't know the other like I think I probably

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Speaker 5: would if I were forced to bet on three teams,

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Speaker 5: I could see why those would be the three. Even

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Speaker 5: though I tried to talk myself out of Penn State there,

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Speaker 5: I don't know who I could talk myself into other

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Speaker 5: than that, I think generally I just wouldn't bet on

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Speaker 5: three teams. Although I like the idea of I mean

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Speaker 5: College football is the one sport that seems more predictable

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Speaker 5: When it comes to teams that are likely to have

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Speaker 5: a chance to win a championship before the season. Usually

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Speaker 5: you're you're more apt to be correct, because even if

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Speaker 5: the little guy does show up, you still have, you know,

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Speaker 5: that issue where you get to the playoff and they

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Speaker 5: get beat by fifty, like an SMU or an Indiana

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Speaker 5: or something like that. I know you're a Notre Dame guy,

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Speaker 5: So where do you Where are you looking at for

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Speaker 5: the Irish this year? Would you try to throw money

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Speaker 5: on them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know, if I've got this six hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 4: K laying around just like, oh man, it's three hundred

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Speaker 4: k in the seat cushions, you know, I just got

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Speaker 4: to come up with three fifteen more, no problem. If

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Speaker 4: I just have that laying around. The three teams I

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Speaker 4: would go with. I would go with Texas, I would

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Speaker 4: go with Georgia.

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Speaker 3: And call me a homer. I would go with my Irish.

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Speaker 4: I would because you look at their defense, they're gonna

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Speaker 4: be a top five unit.

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Speaker 3: You could argue if each you know.

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Speaker 4: Layer of the defense, a defensive line, linebackers, secondary, secondary,

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Speaker 4: is really good question is CJ.

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Speaker 5: Carr.

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Speaker 4: He's probably gonna be the starting quarterback. So you're talking

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Speaker 4: first year starting QB. You've got Jeremiah Love, got a

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Speaker 4: really good running game to take pressure off of that quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Got a very manageable schedule. I'm a believer in Kirby Smart.

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Speaker 4: I think their schedule is manageable as well. This season

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Speaker 4: as manageable as it gets life in the SEC. You know,

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Speaker 4: you get Bama at home, You're at Tennessee, but I

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Speaker 4: don't see them being world beaters. You get Texas at home,

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Speaker 4: so you get a couple of big home games for Georgia.

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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna be in the mix. And I'm

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Speaker 4: with you with what you originally said about Penn State.

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Speaker 4: I just can't back them. They they're one in eighteen

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Speaker 4: under James Franklin against top five teams.

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Speaker 3: They've beaten Ohio State one time.

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Speaker 4: Were they like one in ten, I'd have to look

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Speaker 4: that up for sure, but they got one win against

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Speaker 4: Ohio State.

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Speaker 5: So you have the same caveat I do like it's

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Speaker 5: just it's there's something there with the coach where it's

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Speaker 5: just when you get to game day, Yeah, it's all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden you don't feel too good.

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Speaker 4: I know, you get Oregon at home, and you're at

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Speaker 4: Ohio State, so you've beaten them one time.

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Speaker 3: What are the odds of Penn.

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Speaker 4: State going on the road and finally getting it done

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Speaker 4: and not just the regular season. You got to win

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Speaker 4: three four games once we get to the playoff. That's

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Speaker 4: that's a lot to ask for a program that's not

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Speaker 4: come close to getting it done.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I mean I think that's I think that's true. Yeah, Georgia.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of weird, like we haven't talked a lot

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Speaker 5: about Georgia this offseason, not as much as you would

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Speaker 5: think considering their level of success in years past. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean I think them absolutely being in the mix.

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Speaker 5: I think that one makes some sense. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: the coach matters, I do, and James Franklin just kind

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Speaker 5: of makes you second guess yourself a little bit. Oregon

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Speaker 5: we didn't talk about it all either. I'm not exactly

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Speaker 5: sure what they're gonna be.

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Speaker 4: They have hardly any starters returning, which right, I mean, hey, listen,

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Speaker 4: they can reload, it's been done before, but they have

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Speaker 4: like a staggeringly low amount of starters returning You know

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Speaker 4: what's funny to me is Georgia and Penn State both

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Speaker 4: have the same odds. They're seven to one to win

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Speaker 4: it all right now at bet MGM. And what's funny

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Speaker 4: to me about Penn State. If the same things played

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Speaker 4: out with another school, there's no way they would be

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Speaker 4: one of the favorites and talked about like glowingly. Like

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Speaker 4: imagine if Notre Dame had a coach that was one

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Speaker 4: in eighteen against top five teams, one in ten against

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Speaker 4: their rival, you know, like Ohio State or whatever, the

805
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Speaker 4: rival like USC you know, pick your rival of choice,

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Speaker 4: and you know, the equivalent of Drew Aller through an

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Speaker 4: interception costly interception at the end of a college football

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Speaker 4: playoff semi final game.

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Speaker 3: People would be so down on Notre Day'd be like,

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Speaker 3: get Notre Dame. But it's the opposite with Penn State.

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Speaker 3: I hear a lot of glowing comments about them. It

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Speaker 3: blows my mind.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you. It does seem

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Speaker 5: like they have a little bit longer over runway for mediocrity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they really do, all right.

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Speaker 4: Coming up next hour two, J Martin steers the ship

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Speaker 4: where he takes us we'll find out