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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Solid Rebel boys and girls. My

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Speaker 4: name is ty Hildebrand, joining me way way over there

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Speaker 1: What is our show for tonight? We are making peace?

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Speaker 1: I am making peace with I suppose it's the twenty

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Speaker 1: The game is Oregon Auburn. We are not just going

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Speaker 1: soccer style kicker? Yep, yeah, the twenty ten season, and

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Speaker 1: of Oregon's twenty ten season and Auburn's twenty ten season.

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Speaker 1: But the college football season that happened in the fall

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Speaker 4: So you like your eggs over easy, you like your

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Speaker 4: twenty ten college football season, Like how.

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Speaker 1: I forgot everything that went and we can get into

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Speaker 1: we have social media accounts, but no, I already did that.

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Speaker 1: I know you, I already did that. But when you go,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready, and I say this actually completely independent, and

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Speaker 4: eventually get to my favorite story, yeah, of the twenty

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Speaker 1: Think about these are the teams, by the way, that

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Speaker 4: So twenty ten, what you're saying was your college football umah.

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Speaker 4: The best part was that college football decided that in

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Speaker 4: But you're right, Auburn Oregon, there is definitely a novelty here,

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Speaker 1: No, I was pleasantly surprised that they were able to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all sorts of speculations. Was there a bag man.

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Speaker 4: Cam Newton accounted for fifty one touchdown in twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: Totally one hundred percent correct. I will add this, this

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Speaker 4: were going to document the national Championship. The caveat was

436
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Speaker 4: that we didn't really have a plan for that video.

437
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Speaker 4: We had no idea what it was going to be.

438
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Speaker 4: We just said it was going to be loosely about

439
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Speaker 4: the National Championship, but we didn't we didn't really know

440
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Speaker 4: what we were going to do. So you brought along

441
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Speaker 4: our friend West Coast Kevin to serve as the cameraman

442
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Speaker 4: and producer, and that was where we ended up coming

443
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: up with our idea in our cheap little hotel room

444
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: across from a strip club called the Dream Palace. This

445
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Speaker 4: idea to do something of a Renaldi spoof video. It

446
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 4: was going to be kind of a rags to riches

447
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Speaker 4: type of thing where we talk about how improbable it

448
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 4: was for us to make it to the National Championship,

449
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 4: and yet.

450
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Speaker 1: Here we are there.

451
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Speaker 4: This is all the adversity we fought through to get here.

452
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Speaker 4: We ended up making that video, putting it on YouTube.

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Speaker 4: The Score loved it, ESPN loved it. They put it

454
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Speaker 4: on ESPN News and they got Tom Ornaldy to call

455
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Speaker 4: in and comment on the video as they were watching

456
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Speaker 4: it on ESPN News, which was a big moment for us.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, would you say, would you go

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Speaker 1: as far as saying in the end, maybe the Dream

459
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Speaker 1: Palace was where we were all along.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: It is there.

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Speaker 4: It is the other thing that I must point out

463
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Speaker 4: about this two things. First off, you've heard, if you've

464
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Speaker 4: listened to this show for any number of years now,

465
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Speaker 4: about this encounter I had with Bill Hancock.

466
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Speaker 1: Head of the then head of the BCS.

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Speaker 4: Then executive director of the BCS, now executive director of

468
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Speaker 4: the College Football National Championship Playoff Series, whatever it's called,

469
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Speaker 4: Bill Hank. I don't remember how exactly we crossed paths,

470
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Speaker 4: but at the time we were at this resort in

471
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Speaker 4: Arizona where they were having all the media events, and

472
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Speaker 4: there was a hospitality suite near enough to where all

473
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Speaker 4: this other stuff was taking place, where the work rooms,

474
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Speaker 4: and so I had made my way over there just

475
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Speaker 4: to grab food and drink whatever snacks tostitos a plenty,

476
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Speaker 4: you know. And I sit down for a second, and

477
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Speaker 4: doesn't Bill Hancock walk over to me and just chat

478
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Speaker 4: me up? Hi, how are you on?

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Speaker 1: Bill Hancock? I talked to him about.

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Speaker 4: The notion of a podcast, which blew his mind, and

481
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Speaker 4: before I knew it, I found myself in about a

482
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Speaker 4: half hour, forty five minute discussion with Bill Hancock over

483
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Speaker 4: a gigantic the biggest bowl of Tostito's I'd ever seen

484
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Speaker 4: salsa a plenty drinking I think Coke at the time,

485
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Speaker 4: talking about life, media life, A very nice guy and

486
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Speaker 4: in that moment I like to think we bonded.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what an unpaid commercial for a human. And also,

488
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Speaker 1: this was the night of the really hard binge drinking,

489
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Speaker 1: was it? That was the same thing. We went hard. Yeah,

490
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Speaker 1: we were going. You were going with Kevin and a

491
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Speaker 1: couple of media members, drink for drink and at the

492
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Speaker 1: end of it, Kevin threw up and you just edited

493
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: audio ten beers in. Yeah, a good way to sum

494
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Speaker 1: up our show. Yeah, so that was all before the game.

495
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Speaker 1: That's the backdrop. That's the backdrop. We were excited to

496
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Speaker 1: be there. We were in the press box, we were

497
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Speaker 1: down the field. We had a front row seat to

498
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Speaker 1: everything that transpired in this game. Did you.

499
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Speaker 4: Watch this game? Did you watch the broadcast of this

500
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Speaker 4: game after you got back? How long did it take

501
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Speaker 4: before you could watch it?

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Speaker 1: Well, so I technically, and maybe we technically watched the

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Speaker 1: broadcast as it was happening because we were in the

504
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Speaker 1: press box and had a terrible angle. I think we

505
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Speaker 1: had press box access, but we didn't have press box

506
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Speaker 1: seats something like that, so we ended up the two

507
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Speaker 1: of us, and I want to say, Michael Wilbon sat down,

508
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: sat down in a seated area that was like an

509
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Speaker 1: eighty inch three D TV, and so we watched this

510
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Speaker 1: game in three D for a stretch with Wilbon in

511
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Speaker 1: the press box, and that's how we took in the

512
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Speaker 1: majority of the game, at least until we went down

513
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Speaker 1: to the field to watch the final few minutes. So

514
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Speaker 1: we technically did watch the broadcast, but we're not keenly

515
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Speaker 1: paying attention to those elements.

516
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Speaker 4: I sat next to one of the Fiesta Bowl executives

517
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Speaker 4: because they had the orange jackets on. Yeah, And that

518
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Speaker 4: was before a bunch of them gotten dited.

519
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Speaker 1: For Did he offer you to take you to this

520
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Speaker 1: dream palace? No?

521
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Speaker 4: No, that was that was before those guys got into

522
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Speaker 4: any kind of okay, legal trouble.

523
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Speaker 1: But we were there for the game. It was exciting.

524
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Speaker 4: The first thing that jumps out to me upon watching

525
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Speaker 4: this broadcast is gene Chiswick was really bundled up for

526
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Speaker 4: this game, wasn't.

527
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Speaker 1: He in a dome?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in a dome in the middle of the desert

529
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Speaker 4: in Arizona. I'm not going to say it was the

530
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Speaker 4: warmest day in early January, but there's a reason a

531
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Speaker 4: lot of folks from the Northeast migrate down to the Southwest,

532
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: and it's because it's usually pretty warm. Gene Chiswick was

533
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Speaker 4: wearing an under armor turtleneck and what looked close enough to.

534
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Speaker 1: Being a winter coat inside a dad Yeah it was

535
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Speaker 1: a big coaches jacket thing.

536
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Speaker 4: Yeah for sure, no sideburns in true gene Chisick fashion.

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Speaker 4: I also noticed that Chip Kelly was his usual abrupt

538
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Speaker 4: self when being asked questions from Aaron Andrews, to the

539
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: point where Aeron Andrews just like, okay, Chip, okay, thanks,

540
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: have a good game, Like she knew that was coming,

541
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Speaker 4: but she had asked the questions anyway.

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Speaker 1: Chip was his normal abrupt self. My takeaways from the

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Speaker 1: introduction of this game one, we have a Bob if

544
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Speaker 1: you remember Bob the Rapper and future flat Earther. As

545
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Speaker 1: part of the pregame festivities music wise, Joey Harrington and

546
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Speaker 1: Jason Campbell are signing boxes of Taco Bell Big Boxes

547
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Speaker 1: at Tailgates. They have introductions for both Auburn and Oregon.

548
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: The Auburn one is as you would expect, talking about

549
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: Tumor's corner and how football's are religion in the South.

550
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Speaker 1: For Oregon, they got the guy known to sell joke

551
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Speaker 1: books near the school, a guy named by the name

552
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: of Frog who's been there forever. So they had him

553
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Speaker 1: and the Oregon portion of it, which was a choice.

554
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: I suppose Nick Saban and urban Meyer in the pregame.

555
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: Nick Saban's really good. He's really good on camera, as

556
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Speaker 1: urban Meyer I thought was alsome. And by the way,

557
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Speaker 1: I think urban Meyer retired at the end of the

558
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Speaker 1: twenty ten season. That was another thing that we missed

559
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Speaker 1: urban Meyer. Yes, if that timing, I think that timing

560
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Speaker 1: works ye. And also just happening because it happened in

561
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Speaker 1: the state a few days before, three days before something

562
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Speaker 1: like that was the horrific Gabby Giffords and other people

563
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Speaker 1: shooting in Tucson. Oh jeez, outside of a grocery store.

564
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: This horribly tragic thing perpetrated by a lunatic happens just

565
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Speaker 1: in that same state. So that all is the backdrop.

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Speaker 1: We have a switch foot intro as well. We are

567
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Speaker 1: one tonight in that time, we are one tonight outside

568
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Speaker 1: of this I should add because we talked about it

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Speaker 1: in the previous episode. We have number one in the country, Firework,

570
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Speaker 1: Katie Perry, Grenade, Bruno Mars, We are letter are who

571
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Speaker 1: we letter are? Kesha? Kesha?

572
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

573
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Speaker 1: What's my name? Rihanna? Raise your glass? Pink Tonight, Enrique Glessias,

574
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Speaker 1: the Time, Black Eyed Peas Black and Yellow is Khalifa?

575
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: Just the way you are, Bruno Mars, just a dream,

576
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Speaker 1: Nelly an incredible top ten and the top ten movies

577
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Speaker 1: of the week. Less than that, it was True Grit,

578
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Speaker 1: Little Fokker's season of the Witch Colon Legacy season that

579
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Speaker 1: was one of the worst Nick Cage movies, really bad.

580
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: The Fighter, Country, Strong, King Speech which quality, Yogi Bear

581
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: and Tangled round out the top ten. The Fighter I

582
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Speaker 1: think was, wasn't it? Fighter was? I think that was? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Was that? Christian Baiale Wahlberg? I think so okay? I

584
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Speaker 1: was all right, No. I enjoyed that. The mom was

585
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Speaker 1: really good in that. So that all places us in

586
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Speaker 1: early January of twenty eleven, two undefeated teams with TCU

587
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Speaker 1: being left out, and they were excellent going to the

588
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Speaker 1: rose Ball, and I was very excited for this game.

589
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Speaker 1: And it was awesome.

590
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Speaker 4: The atmosphere we were down on the field before the game,

591
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Speaker 4: it was striving. Remember they let Challenger the Eagle go

592
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Speaker 4: in the dome and he just like, rather than just

593
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Speaker 4: dive bomb, he just did a slow circle around and

594
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Speaker 4: people were going. He must have flown around the stadium

595
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Speaker 4: two or three times and people were losing their freaking

596
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Speaker 4: minds that a bald eagle was flying over them. Then

597
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: eventually it went down to midfield and that was that.

598
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: But the crowd was nuts, and the first quarter, for

599
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Speaker 4: its part, was equally as crazy. Second play of the game,

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Speaker 4: it's very apparent that Darren Thomas maybe has a little

601
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: bit of a nerve thing going on as he overthinks

602
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Speaker 4: an option pitch.

603
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Speaker 1: A little too late with it. It had disaster written

604
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Speaker 1: all over it.

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Speaker 4: Thankfully, for his sake, it didn't amount to anything, but

606
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Speaker 4: right out of the shoot it's looking like, okay, Darren Thomas,

607
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Speaker 4: he's got some nerves.

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Speaker 1: That he needs to work through here. In the early going,

609
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: tried to pitch it over a receiver blocking like a

610
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Speaker 1: linebacker or a defensive back. It was maybe the worst

611
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: option pitch attempt we've seen during the duration of the Solimar.

612
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: It was really bad. The flow of the game itself

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Speaker 1: was Oregon comes out and tries to run a lot

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Speaker 1: of optiony looks. They have two running backs in the backfield,

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Speaker 1: and they used the receiver as sort of an h back.

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Speaker 1: Their best blocking receiver Drew Davis, so they looked different

617
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Speaker 1: than what they were showing on film all season long,

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Speaker 1: and they eventually abandoned that strategy. They're trying to option

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Speaker 1: Nick Fairley at times, which is a bad idea. They

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Speaker 1: tried to leave Nick Fairley unblocked, the clear best player

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Speaker 1: probably in this game. Really, right, Nick Fairley, We're gonna

622
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Speaker 1: get the dominant player in this game. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: Nick Fairly. First quarter was relatively uneventful in terms of offense. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Darren Thomas skittish, the Oregon offense skittish, but they're able

625
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Speaker 1: to when backed up against the wall. Throughout this game

626
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Speaker 1: really generate big plays, but never really the way Auburn

627
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: was able to more methodically move the ball. Auburn was

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Speaker 1: a little bit more efficient in terms of balance in

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Speaker 1: terms of bigger plays. In terms of finding matchups. Poor

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Speaker 1: Kenny Rowe for Oregon. There, their undersized ed rusher found

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Speaker 1: himself in coverage a couple too many times, and Auburn

632
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: was able to exploit that. But I Oregon's offense being

633
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: worse than it actually was. The Oregon offense was fine.

634
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: They just either came up huge when backed up against

635
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: the wall or slowed down in the worst possible times

636
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: to slow down, whereas Auburn would move the ball and

637
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: they would either turn the ball over or shoot themselves

638
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: in the foot or overthrow somebody that was relatively open.

639
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: So there was not a lot of rhythm early on

640
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: in this game, but there were a fair amount of turnovers.

641
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: As I fast forward to the second Oregon drive where

642
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: Darren Thomas throws a high ball to Kenyon Barnert to

643
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: flex off his hands, goes for an interception, they turned

644
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: the ball over to Auburn. Cam Newton gets the ball

645
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: throws it to Cliff Harris. He's noted as being a

646
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Speaker 1: risk taker by the conlitaryah in this football game. Then

647
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Speaker 1: Oregon gets the ball back. Darren Thomas proceeds to throw

648
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Speaker 1: a pick on the ensuing drive after being hurried by

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Speaker 1: Nick Fairley. So you stole a little bit of my thunder.

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Speaker 4: But I did want to get into talking about Nick

651
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Speaker 4: Fairley because him changing the rhythm of the game. The

652
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Speaker 4: rhythm of that Oregon offense became a recurring theme. And

653
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Speaker 4: so I guess my question to you is, and I

654
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 4: think we already know the answer, who are the three

655
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: best players on the field in this game? Not throughout

656
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 4: the course of the year, not in the NFL, nothing

657
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 4: like that, but on the field on January the tenth,

658
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Speaker 4: twenty eleven. Who are the three best players that you

659
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Speaker 4: saw on the field.

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Speaker 1: Two of them are Auburn players. I think it's Cam

661
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Speaker 1: Newton and Nick Fairley. And the third is probably Casey

662
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: Matthews for Oregon, the middle linebacker who is really good

663
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Speaker 1: in run, stuffs and forces later on in the game

664
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Speaker 1: a huge fumble for Oregon that the Ducks recover. So yeah,

665
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Speaker 1: he was the heartbeat of a great defensive performance for Oregon.

666
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Speaker 1: But ultimately it's Nick Fairley, ya just wreaking complete havoc

667
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Speaker 1: and demanding a ton of attention from a decidedly college

668
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: offensive line, collegiate offensive line from Oregon. And then Cam

669
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: Newton extends drives with his legs and even though he

670
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: wasn't amazing in this game, hit a couple of incredible

671
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: passes that changed the I mean that won the game

672
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Speaker 1: for Auburn essentially. So yeah, those are those are to me,

673
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: those are the clear dudes. Jeff Mail has a huge catch.

674
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Speaker 1: There are moments, you know, Emory Blake, Darvin Adams, but

675
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Speaker 1: and certainly Michael Dyer late, but the game changers were

676
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Speaker 1: those three.

677
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: To me.

678
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: Nick Fairley was a monster in this game. There was

679
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Speaker 4: no answer for him, especially in the second half when

680
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 4: Oregon's line started to hire out. It was apparent that

681
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Speaker 4: in the interior part of that defensive line, Auburn was

682
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Speaker 4: just so much better. Truly, it was the catalyst. It

683
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 4: was the catalyst that pushed Auburn over the top here

684
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: fairly for sure. Hurried that early interception that we talked

685
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Speaker 4: about before in the first quarter blew up as his

686
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 4: own read later in the first quarter when Oregon was

687
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: down in the red zone. So this is a guy

688
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 4: who continuously changed the point of attack, changed the game,

689
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Speaker 4: and changed the rhythm of that Oregon offense. And you're right,

690
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 4: like Jeff Mail and Michae Dyer, they had moments.

691
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: They're very good in this game.

692
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 4: Cam Newton was just so good all year and had

693
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Speaker 4: such a skill set that just by.

694
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Speaker 1: Being on the field. He was a game changer.

695
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: You know, you couldn't avoid him. There was no way

696
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 4: that you could avoid him. You couldn't game plan around him.

697
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: He had to be the centerpiece of everything. And so

698
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: even if he wasn't running for more than I think

699
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: he had sixty four yards on the ground, even if

700
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: he was air mailing a couple wide open passes and

701
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: maybe making me feel a bit underwhelmed watching him back

702
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 4: as a passer, he just brought so much to the

703
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: equation that there was no possible way you could ever

704
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Speaker 4: game plan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oregon did a good enough job that they were

706
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Speaker 1: able to tackle him in the open field more often

707
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: than not. They kept a spy on him and Kenny Row.

708
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Speaker 1: The problem, as I mentioned earlier, is they were able

709
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Speaker 1: to force a mismatch with him and at one time

710
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Speaker 1: a receiver with an edge rush, which is not anything

711
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: you want an undersized edgrusher at that. But he did

712
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: a nice job spying on Cam Newton and they didn't

713
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: have to bring a ton of pressure. They were able

714
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Speaker 1: to get to him, able to confuse him a little

715
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Speaker 1: bit in the past game because he wasn't making a

716
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Speaker 1: lot of you know, going across the field horizontally progressions.

717
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: It was sort of play action and this guy should

718
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Speaker 1: be open, and sometimes that guy was, sometimes he Wasn't

719
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Speaker 1: you neglected to mention one thing which I know you love,

720
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Speaker 1: which is a terrible attempt at a kickoff return trick

721
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Speaker 1: play Oh no, the end around, right. Oregon went for

722
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: a couple times end a rounds and the first time

723
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Speaker 1: they try and end around and it ends up with

724
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Speaker 1: Kenyon Barner I believe, being tackled something like twelve yards

725
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: behind where he took the hand off. And you know,

726
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: Oregon started so deep into their own territory on so

727
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: many drives that being one of the worst.

728
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Speaker 4: And Herbie mentioned it later in the broadcast that Oregon

729
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: just they can't get too cute here. They're very good,

730
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Speaker 4: they're very dynamic, but they got to watch it. They

731
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: don't get a little too cute, and that, to your point,

732
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 4: was a little too cute. I think the overwhelming theme

733
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: of this game was first off, defense. First, the defenses

734
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 4: were outstanding in this football game the whole way through.

735
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Speaker 4: And that's true for both teams, maybe a little more

736
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 4: so for Auburn in the way that they changed the

737
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: game at the point of attack. But two very good

738
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: defensive showings in this football game. But the theme I

739
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: think throughout was Auburn was a little stronger with its

740
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 4: offensive line and a little stronger with its defensive line,

741
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Speaker 4: and over the course of sixty minutes, that gradual fatigue

742
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: that set in on the Oregon side led to Auburn

743
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 4: taking a little bit more of an advantage. And it

744
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: was a close game. It was won on a last

745
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: second field goal. You know, I mean this was truly

746
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 4: it was there for Oregon had they gotten a few breaks.

747
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: I just felt watching back that it was apparent Oregon

748
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: just got a little tired. They couldn't quite compete in

749
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 4: the trenches. That's ultimately what gave Auburn just a little

750
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Speaker 4: just a sliver of an advantage that they could capitalize on.

751
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Speaker 1: The thing that and maybe this is more big picture

752
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: that surprised me watching this game again, is it felt

753
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: like a twenty eight to seventeen Auburn win that came

754
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: down to the last drive in last second. Auburn was

755
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: able to generate a lot more opportunities. Now they missed

756
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: on some of them. I think Cam Newton threw a

757
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: pick to Cliff Harris that was reviewed and ruled not

758
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Speaker 1: a pick. But that's probably much more heart than head

759
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Speaker 1: on my part. I don't know when you rewatch that,

760
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: what were your thoughts. Throw He overthrows a ball, Cliff

761
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Speaker 1: Harris jumps in front of it, and as he's sort

762
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Speaker 1: of careening out of bounds, gets a foot down, switches hands,

763
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Speaker 1: gets an arm down, I believe, as he's careening out

764
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Speaker 1: of bounds, and then as he lands already out of

765
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Speaker 1: bounds having a foot and an arm down, loses control

766
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Speaker 1: of the ball. Yeah, I mean allow. The NFL rule

767
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: is holding it onto it through the the contact with

768
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Speaker 1: the ground. It seemed to me like that was an interception.

769
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: And then cam throws a touchdown pass on the ensuing

770
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Speaker 1: play when it's ruled not an interception.

771
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Speaker 4: Right right, No, I mean it's Look, the rules have changed.

772
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 4: Ask anyone who's watched football for a long time and

773
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 4: they'll tell you how infuriating it is not just what

774
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: counts as a reception, but what counts as a fumble. Right,

775
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: So the rules have changed drastically over the course of

776
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: time in football. And one of those breaks though that

777
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: I was talking about, one of those breaks where where

778
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 4: Auburn was able to capitalize This was a defensive game

779
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: though the whole way through. Here is your second half

780
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 4: drive chart. I know you like to do this. I

781
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: don't have the musical drive chart. No, it's okay, go

782
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 4: for it.

783
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: Field goal, punt, punt, turnover on downs, punt, punt, punt, punt, fumble, touchdown,

784
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: field goal, end of game. Not electric ty, but somehow

785
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: the end of the game was exciting.

786
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: The end of the game was very exciting. So there

787
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 4: were moments in the second half that I think were

788
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: extremely notable. Maybe not the pyrotechnic display of offense that

789
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 4: you might expect, but there was a crazy goal line

790
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: stand late in the third quarter, maybe the key play in.

791
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: The whole game.

792
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 4: Oregon driving seems like it's a great opportunity for them

793
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 4: when Michael James gets stood up at the goal line

794
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: turnover on downs at that point. From that point forward,

795
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 4: it seemed like Auburn Jean Chiswick, gusmus On like they

796
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: just decided we're gonna turn this over to Cam, We're

797
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 4: gonna let Cam take over. Starting now. On the ensuing drive,

798
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: it started to become a little bit more apparent, and

799
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 4: that combo of Cam on the ground of dire on

800
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 4: the ground of what it did in the passing game

801
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: to open things up, and just I think the Auburn

802
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 4: offensive line wearing down Oregon ever so slightly in the trenches.

803
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: That confluence of events led championship cocktail tie. That championship

804
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: cocktail just was enough to push Auburn over the top.

805
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Speaker 1: I think I misremembered Darren Thomas being better in this game.

806
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: He had a rough game, He had a rough time

807
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: with the Auburn defense, and I don't even think it

808
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: was just the pressure that he was under. And you

809
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: mentioned I Ultimately, yes, the Auburn winning in the trenches

810
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: won them this game. Darren Thomas looked uncomfortable, not just

811
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: early but just misguys, and when they went to more

812
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: of a hurry up later in the game, he got

813
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: into more of a rhythm. But the majority of his

814
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: yardage came on two, three four plays, and so his

815
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: final line looks better than he actually looked, comfort wise,

816
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: control wise, poise wise, And so that's why I felt

817
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: that it rewatching. It had the rhythm of a twenty

818
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: eight to seventeen Auburn win, but it was Auburn just

819
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: screwing up key moments third downs, Red zone trips whatever

820
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: that kept Oregon in this game and the Oregon defense

821
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: like you've mentioned, But yeah, I do think you're right

822
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: on that that Oregon has a terrible call that ends

823
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: into safety where they line up under center. They go

824
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: they just abandon their offense. They lay line up under

825
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: center from the half yard line, their own half yard

826
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Speaker 1: line and try to run some sort of power withle

827
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Speaker 1: Michael James. Just it goes terribly, It goes really poorly.

828
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Speaker 1: So my big takeaway later on in this game when

829
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Speaker 1: you talk about the lack of offense in the second half,

830
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: in Oregon put it together late and they had that

831
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: great two point conversion to Jeff Mail with Darren Thomas

832
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: throwing against his body, and it was it was those moments.

833
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: It was you mentioned that the stops in the reds

834
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Speaker 1: one Oregon would I think it was a Darren Thomas

835
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Speaker 1: really cool juggled catch from Lavasier tuoen A. He runs

836
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: it down and Auburn saves a touchdown and then they

837
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: stand Oregon up at the goal line. It was Auburn's

838
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: defense coming up in those moments and Auburn's offense surviving

839
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: some screw ups for three plus quarters in big moments

840
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: on offense and Cam Newton and then ultimately Michael Dyer,

841
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: who not just on the play where I mean Comedy

842
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: was down. He was not down. He was down, but

843
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: he was down a second time running it into the

844
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Speaker 1: end zone lates and they ruled him down at the

845
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Speaker 1: one or two yard half yard line before they kicked

846
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: back to half yard line. There it is. Yeah, I

847
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,959
Speaker 1: watched that play back and back and back in HD,

848
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: and I know people have written scientific articles talking to

849
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Speaker 1: experts that indeed Michael Dyer was not down on that play.

850
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Speaker 1: My guy was down. Guy was down, ty all right,

851
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: I think I saw that risk down, Tye. I still do.

852
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I want to let's talk about the

853
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 4: sequence that led up to that moment. So, okay, just

854
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: to reframe things here, we've already mentioned how little happened

855
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 4: on offense in the second half of this football game.

856
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 4: But that being said, the last five minutes or so,

857
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: we're pretty crazy. It is nineteen to eleven at that

858
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: moment in time, Oregon punts the football way, there's about

859
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 4: five minutes left. So you're watching this team terrible drive

860
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: after a terrible drive. You're watching this game. You're thinking

861
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: Auburn can put this game on ice. All they have

862
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: to do is what they're really good at. Keep it

863
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 4: on the ground, put it in the hands of Cam Newton,

864
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: like just be super conservative, run the clock. Even if

865
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Speaker 4: you run it down to like two minutes. You can't lose.

866
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 4: You just can't lose the football game. Sure enough, Oregon

867
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: punts it away. Three plays into that Auburn drive, Casey

868
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: Matthews comes up from behind a quarterback rush, punches the

869
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 4: ball out of Cam Newton's hands, It flies up, Cliff

870
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: Harris jumps on it at the Auburn forty yard line.

871
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 4: WHOA what a moment late in this football game?

872
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: Did we run down at that moment?

873
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 4: Well, what was funny about it is, for as sure

874
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: footed as you were in a press box, compared to me,

875
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: you were like a deer in headlights trying to figure

876
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 4: out the precise moment that we should go downstairs. And

877
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 4: I remember you kept asking me, should we go down now?

878
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 4: Should we go down now?

879
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: What should we do?

880
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 4: What should You were unlike any other time I'd ever

881
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 4: seen you completely in that deer in headlights bode And

882
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: so eventually I made the call, I sall right, let's

883
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 4: go down. Let's go down, and I think we made

884
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 4: it down in time for the Oregon touchdown, and then

885
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 4: of course the game winning Auburn field goal, which we'll

886
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: get to here momentarily.

887
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: But.

888
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: An incredible moment that Casey Matthews would punch the ball

889
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 4: out of the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback. Oregon gets the

890
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 4: football back. Now they've got all three of their timeouts,

891
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 4: four fifty four left on the clock. Darren Thomas connects

892
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: up with DJ Davis a long pass that takes him

893
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 4: down to the eleven yard line, and then it takes

894
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 4: Oregon a couple tries. It was emotionally fraught there for

895
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, a good minute and a half of

896
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: gameplay as Oregon's trying to figure out how they going

897
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 4: to get in here now. They had been in a

898
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: similar situation earlier in the game. We talked about that

899
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 4: goal line stand at the end of the first quarter.

900
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: They again were trying to rely on that rushing attack.

901
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: It took them a couple tries to get in eventually.

902
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 4: Shovel pass, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was a

903
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 4: shovel pass. I don't remember if it was. Yeah, I

904
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 4: think it was till Michael James.

905
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a.

906
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: Little scamper in from Michael James. That brings us to

907
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 4: the situation of nineteen seventeen. Oregon's obviously got to go

908
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 4: for two. There's only about two and a half minutes left.

909
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: That is when Darren Thomas delivers that really nice ball

910
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 4: across his body to Jeff Mail on the back of

911
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 4: the end zone to tie it at nineteen Mail time.

912
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: You at this point are virtually speechless. I look over

913
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 4: at you. We're down on the field. Dan is speechless,

914
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 4: forget trying to talk to him.

915
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Hyperventilating, gay, hyperventilating everything, hyper ventilation, Yeah.

916
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 4: Everything you might expect. Problem was they left too much time.

917
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 4: They left too much time for Cam Newton. First play,

918
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 4: fifteen yard passed to Emery Blake, gets down to the

919
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 4: Auburn forty yard line. Next play, the Michael Dyer thirty

920
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: seven yard rush he was not down, makes it all

921
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 4: the way down to the Oregon twenty three. A couple

922
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: other short rushes followed by a long one, the one

923
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 4: that you referenced earlier, Michael Dyer sixteen yards to the

924
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 4: half yard line. They had to take that to replay

925
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 4: to make sure that he didn't get in, and he didn't,

926
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: and then a couple plays here and there to run

927
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: clock before they turn it over to Wes Bynham, who

928
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: was as reliable a kicker as you were going to

929
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: find in all of kin byrom Yeah, nineteen yards feel

930
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 4: go good, twenty two to nineteen year final score.

931
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a It was a really brutal weight hand

932
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: just because it took so long, just because the Michael

933
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: Dyer run spelled. I don't know what yard line he

934
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: ran it down to, but it was just like, Okay,

935
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: Oregon's going to lose this game short of a horrific

936
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: snap on the field goal attempt. He was That was

937
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: all I could have played prayed for at that moment.

938
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 4: He ran it from the Auburn forty, so they're on

939
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: their own side of the fifty yard line all the

940
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 4: way down to the Oregon twenty three.

941
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: At that point, it's a forty yard field goal, which

942
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: is not automatic but certainly reasonable. And then the long,

943
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: dire run to the goal line, it's like, Okay, it's

944
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: praying for a kicker tripping or a terrible snap, and

945
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: both of which are pretty unlikely from that short Yeah.

946
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 4: So now that we've sort of gone through all this, Dan, Yeah,

947
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 4: being so you were there, You've lived it. I know

948
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: you've rewatched it. What is your what is your impression

949
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 4: on the rewatch? What are things that you felt, maybe

950
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 4: for the first time after watching this game like ten

951
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 4: years later, I was.

952
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: As impressed with Oregon's defense as an Oregon fan. I

953
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: mentioned the Darren Thomas thing where I watching it there,

954
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: I was not in the mindset of really analyzing it.

955
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: Was just so skittish. She was so all over the place,

956
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: and offensively, I thought it was actually a pretty sound

957
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: game plan to get trying to get into the perimeter

958
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: with the option game. But if Michael James and Kenyon Barner,

959
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: who had been the heartbeat of that offense and as

960
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: good as guys like Drew Davis and Jeff Mail were,

961
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: they didn't have I think Josh huff was on this

962
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: team as well, they didn't have a game change or

963
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: a receiver. So if those two guys at running back

964
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: are not difference makers, it's almost impossible to win MI.

965
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: Michael James pace that Stanford comeback, Cliff Harris on defense

966
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: paced that the uh the col win with his punt return.

967
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: If their fastest dudes are not changing the game that

968
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: for that specific team, it was going to be very

969
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: hard for them to win, and ultimately it wasn't going

970
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: to be that hard. They needed just a stop at

971
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: the end of the game to try to get the

972
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: ball back. But with with you know, Vernon Adams probably

973
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: wins that game for Oregon. Marcus Mariota wins that game

974
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: for Oregon. An offensive line that either came before that

975
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: line or after that line, with you know, more NFL

976
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: caliber talent, stands a better shot of winning that game

977
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: for Oregon. I thought what Cam Newton was able to do,

978
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: and I mentioned the mismatches was amazing. Auburn was the

979
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: better team. Regardless of Michael Dyer being down or not.

980
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: Auburn was the better team. They earned that National Championship game.

981
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: I just thought came away thinking it was wild that

982
00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: Oregon was in that game. So ah. Overall, I am

983
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: grateful that Cam Newton didn't do to Oregon what he

984
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: had done two other teams because just an incredible player.

985
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: And while that the epilogue of everything was that much

986
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: like Cam's career, that was a flash for Gene Chiswick.

987
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: Jean Chiswicks are success was owed to Cam Newton, and

988
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: he gets fired two years later. Chip Kelly only ascends

989
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: from that point. The twenty eleven and twenty twelve teams

990
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: that he coaches for Oregon are better than this National

991
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: Championship contending team, although they don't get to a National

992
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: Championship game. And it was just a right place, right

993
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: time situation for Oregon and for Auburn, and so big

994
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: picture it's Nick Fairley and Cam Newton and their gang

995
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: of pals.

996
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: I think that's fair I mentioned earlier that I felt

997
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 4: a little bit underwhelmed by Cam Newton as a passer. Obviously,

998
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 4: Cam Newton is once in a generation player, certainly on

999
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 4: the college level and to some extent on the NFL

1000
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: level as well.

1001
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: NFL MVP took a team to a super Bowl. I

1002
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: don't know a lot about the NFL, but he was good.

1003
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: He is very good, very good player.

1004
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 4: And Cam Newton was absolutely the engine that made this

1005
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 4: Auburn season go. He was absolutely the star, the superstar

1006
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: of this football team. But in this game, I felt

1007
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 4: underwhelmed on the rewatch with what he did as a passer.

1008
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 4: Maybe some nerves by him. I was really impressed again

1009
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 4: with Nick Fairley.

1010
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: I knew at the time.

1011
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 4: I remembered from us previewing the game that we saw

1012
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 4: Nick Fairley as a bit of an issue for that

1013
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: Oregon line to try and a count for him, the

1014
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 4: game plan for him. And we were right. Everybody was right.

1015
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 4: This wasn't a secret. He was just so good. There

1016
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 4: was nothing that anybody could do. You could triple team

1017
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 4: and it didn't matter. Nick Fairley really changed the game

1018
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: just by being out there. The other thing that really

1019
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 4: stuck out to me on the rewatch was just how

1020
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 4: little Oregon was able to do on the ground. And

1021
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 4: I forget what the what the stats are Officially it

1022
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 4: was something like seventy five yards something like that, but

1023
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 4: it was clearly an issue that Oregon could not get

1024
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 4: that facet of their game going. It had an outsized

1025
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 4: impact on the rest of the offense, the rhythm that

1026
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 4: I think Chip Kelly wanted to establish. Without having that

1027
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 4: to fall back on which they had relied upon all year,

1028
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 4: it really did change.

1029
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: The complexion of this football game.

1030
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: So that stood out to me in a way that

1031
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: I guess I didn't notice at the time. And the

1032
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: only other thing that I'll point out here, and this

1033
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 4: is probably because I haven't watched the broadcast until I

1034
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 4: don't know, a couple of days ago. M h, I

1035
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 4: miss Brent Musburger.

1036
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna bring that up right now the

1037
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: broadcast itself. So we talked about he's great.

1038
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about on our last show some of

1039
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 4: the beef I have with Tom Hammond. Tom Hammond has

1040
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 4: called a lot of important events, all right. I don't

1041
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 4: actually dislike the guy. It just not my cup of

1042
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 4: tea when it comes to an announcer. But the difference,

1043
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 4: the stark contrast between Brent Musburger and someone like Tom

1044
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 4: Hammond was on full display here. Tom Hammond shot out

1045
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 4: of a cannon for that usc Notre Dame game. Not

1046
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 4: that excitability is a negative in the booth, it's not,

1047
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 4: but he was just keyed up from the opening kick

1048
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 4: all the way through the final gun. Brent Mussburger has

1049
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 4: more of a calm and cool and collected nature about him.

1050
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 4: He didn't get excitable. He knew how to let the

1051
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 4: game speak for itself. He knew when to use silence

1052
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 4: as his ally, and he knew how to hand it

1053
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 4: off to Kirk kurb Street in a way that I

1054
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 4: thought made Herbi a better announcer as well. He did

1055
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 4: use the big Fellow Moniker a little too much, almost

1056
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 4: to the point where I think Herb Street started saying

1057
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 4: it too just by proximity. But Brent Mussburger one of

1058
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 4: the all time greats. I miss him in the booth.

1059
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 4: It was great to hear his voice again.

1060
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: Very big on the because this is the twenty ten season,

1061
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: so this is not as pass happy a college football

1062
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: as we have now. This is, you know, pre Lincoln

1063
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: Riley at Oklahoma. This is pre you know, the Clemson

1064
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: in the Alabama Renaissance. And it's before Oregon becomes a

1065
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: really good passing team. It's before the air raid really

1066
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,479
Speaker 1: takes hold. This is pre Dana Holgerson becoming a household name.

1067
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: And so when Auburn and Oregon we're throwing these quick

1068
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: little screens out wide. Brent Musburger was very big on folks.

1069
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: This is a de facto run play, folks. They're just

1070
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: getting the ball real quick out there. It's a run

1071
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: play type play. That was something I noticed that stood

1072
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: out a few times to me. It was more modern

1073
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: than I anticipated, and the two thousand and five Bush

1074
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: push game felt older. Than I anticipated, So I was

1075
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised by that. I suppose it's five

1076
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: years after that game, the Bush push to the twenty

1077
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: ten to twenty eleven game. So I thought it was

1078
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: a good broadcast, that there was nothing it was. The

1079
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: big thing that stood out to me were the number

1080
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: of replay angles as compared to the first game we did,

1081
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: the two thousand and five USC Notre Dame game. That

1082
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: there were certainly elements. The fact that it was an

1083
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: HD was very good. To watch this game in ten

1084
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:24,959
Speaker 1: ADP made a big difference watching it back. I don't

1085
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: have that many other notes on the broadcast itself. I

1086
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you do.

1087
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: Definitely came away feeling that this was way more modern

1088
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 4: than what we had seen just a few years earlier

1089
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 4: in two thousand and five. The broadcast just felt like

1090
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 4: it was a much more modern product, pretty close to

1091
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 4: what we have now.

1092
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Speaker 1: So after this game, Darren Thomas returns to play quarterback.

1093
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: Lemichael James, Kenyon Barner are joined by d Anthony Thomas.

1094
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: Oregon wins the Rose Bowl, they beat Wisconsin, they win

1095
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: the Fiesta Bowl. We watched that game, I think with

1096
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: our friend Bruce Feldman at some sort of sports bar

1097
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: that's over Kansas State, and twenty twelve, Chip Kelly ends

1098
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: up leaving. Then we have Mark Helfrich and so forth

1099
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: and so forth. They get back to the National Championship

1100
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: game in twenty fourteen. The year before that, Auburn's in

1101
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: the National Championship Game with Nick Marshall. So that must

1102
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: have been a great progression, right, nah Ah, They took

1103
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: a different route to get back Jean Chizz. It gets fired.

1104
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: I think it's it's Barrett Trotter getting the majority of

1105
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: the snaps of quarterback, which doesn't go particularly well. It's

1106
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: Barrett Trotter and Clint Moseley for Auburn. Kil Fraser gets

1107
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: in there as a touted freshman in twenty eleven, and

1108
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, kil Fraser takes over and is not

1109
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: the answer. I'm gonna be kind. My twenty twenty goal

1110
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: is to be a little bit kinder to student athletes.

1111
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: He was not the answer at quarterback in twenty twelve.

1112
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: Gus Malson comes in in twenty thirteen with Nick Marshall,

1113
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: and things change. The Auburn offense improves greatly. They run

1114
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: the ball really well, that's a Trey Mason team. He's

1115
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: had obviously a weird go of it since his career

1116
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: at Auburn, but he's a terrific patient runner. And that

1117
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen even that twenty thirteen SEC championship game, that's

1118
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: Auburn Miszoo with that great missoo front. That was That

1119
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: was a really fun game too. That was a fun season,

1120
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: the twenty thirteen SEC season. So Auburn rehires Gus Malzan

1121
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: after he moves to Arkansas State and gets annihilated by Oregon,

1122
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: So that at least felt a little good for me,

1123
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 1: even though he was coaching Arkansas State, and Auburn moves

1124
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: on to having nothing but amazing and uneven season. Since then,

1125
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: Oregon has plenty of up and downs, ups and downs themselves,

1126
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: and seems to have found a coach that is working

1127
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: out for them in Mario Cristobal eventually, but that's after

1128
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: some upheaval with Willie Taggart and the end of the

1129
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: Mark helferg Era.

1130
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 4: So to put a cherry on top, much the way

1131
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 4: we did last week when we talked about Notre Dame USC,

1132
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 4: with some first hand perspective, we have arranged a similar

1133
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 4: setup for this episode.

1134
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: Have we not?

1135
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: We have We want stakeholders. We want people who were there,

1136
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: and we were there in the way that you obviously

1137
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: were there for the Bush Push game in two thousand

1138
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: and five. But we are going to be joined momentarily.

1139
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: I think I'll do it solo, Tie, because this is

1140
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: just too deeply nerdy Oregon. I'm going to speak with

1141
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: Jeff Palmer, who was the short snapper for the Oregon

1142
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: Ducks in this game. So he was snapping field goals

1143
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: and extra points for the Ducks and they had a

1144
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: lot of extra points in twenty ten, just to sort

1145
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: of walk me through what it was like to be

1146
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: not just a contributor but a fly on the wall

1147
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: during the Oregon season. He was not the offensive coordinator,

1148
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: he was not leading the defense, he was not on

1149
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: the field for a majority of plays like a lot

1150
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: of players were. But damn it, long and short snappers

1151
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: are people as well, Tie, So I'm excited to sort

1152
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: of go behind the scenes with Jeff Palmer. Let's roll

1153
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: it all right. Tide dropped out because this is a

1154
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: special safe space and comfort zone for sad Oregon brains

1155
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: that remember this, and somebody who is probably I shouldn't

1156
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: say probably. There is a chance he is sadder about

1157
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: this game because he actually played in it and was

1158
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: on the team during arguably the golden era of Oregon

1159
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: football from two thousand and nine through twenty twelve. He

1160
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: started in two thousand and eight, but the Chip Kelly

1161
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: era and the Jeff Palmer short snapper extraordinaire for the

1162
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks overlap perfectly. So, Jeff, thanks for joining the show.

1163
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I'm excited.

1164
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's start here. The season was terrific, was

1165
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, from the outside, it looks fun, it looks excellent.

1166
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: You're blowing teams out, you're surviving a couple of close calls,

1167
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: a big comeback against Stanford, and ugly that these are

1168
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: my words, win at Cal in a low scoring game

1169
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: with only one offensive touchdown for each team. Do you

1170
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: remember this season fondly?

1171
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1172
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 3: I always hear you guys say, you know, a team

1173
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 3: has to win their clunkers, and I think we. I

1174
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 3: think we put up forty points on every single team

1175
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: except that Cow game, if I remember ly, and so

1176
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 3: you know, I forgot about that comeback against Stanford, but

1177
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: just looking at scores, we didn't have a ton of

1178
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 3: close calls. I still, looking back, don't know if it

1179
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 3: was our best team out of my five years there,

1180
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 3: but it was definitely the closest team with the best leadership,

1181
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 3: I'd say. And yeah, we really ran through a lot

1182
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: of a lot of the schedule pretty easily.

1183
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: Only thirty seven points at Oregon State War Game. The

1184
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: disappointing the Civil War was only thirty seven led by

1185
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: Michael James on the ground. But what does that mean?

1186
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: What is when you say that it's not necessarily the

1187
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: best team, but in terms of leadership, I suppose in

1188
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: terms of locker room vibes and just a feeling you had.

1189
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: What is different about a team able to survive their clunkers?

1190
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: That say, different from losing narrowly to Stanford in twenty twelve,

1191
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: losing to I think it was USC and LSU in

1192
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. What's different about leadership and survival?

1193
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: I think a lot has to be attributed to Chip

1194
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 3: Kelly coming in and changing the focus to a lot

1195
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: more attention to detail, and the guys that really bought

1196
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 3: in that were left over from the Vallati years were

1197
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 3: you know, we're the upperclassmen at that point, the Jordan Holmes,

1198
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 3: the David Paulson's, the Eddie Pleasant, all the older guys.

1199
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: Those were all the.

1200
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,479
Speaker 3: Best leaders on that team, and I think the entire

1201
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,919
Speaker 3: team was so in especially you know, post Civil War

1202
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 3: going into that National championship game. I think it was

1203
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 3: a time for us to all really bond and become

1204
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 3: that much closer as a team. It was just incredible

1205
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 3: leadership is what I'll always remember about that team.

1206
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: There's no Pac twelve, so there's no Pack twelve championship game.

1207
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 1: So this is a long layoff between I think it's

1208
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: the Civil Wars December fourth, The Auburn game is January tenth,

1209
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: so this is over a month. How does that space out?

1210
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: I assume at some point you go home for the holidays.

1211
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, but what is preparation like for a

1212
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: program that has never ever been in this spot now

1213
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: going to a national championship game?

1214
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, we almost had almost like a year of prep

1215
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 3: before going to the Rose Bowl and having close to

1216
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 3: a similar layoffs, but I think it was I think

1217
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 3: it was like thirty five days if I remember correctly,

1218
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 3: something like that. And being on the quarter system, you know,

1219
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 3: you get out relatively early for Christmas, and so the

1220
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 3: only people in Eugene, And that kind of goes back

1221
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 3: to why I think the team bonded so well is

1222
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 3: we're pretty much the only people in that little college town.

1223
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 3: And so we practiced, I want to say, for like

1224
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 3: two weeks. A lot of it was just you know,

1225
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 3: helmets and shorts or whatever. And then we got to

1226
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 3: go home for six or seven days celebrate Christmas with

1227
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 3: the family. And then if I remember correctly, we reported

1228
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: directly to Scottsdale and all met there, you know, over

1229
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 3: the course of two days, and then started six or

1230
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: seven days of bull prep practices in Arizona.

1231
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was it was a really long layoff.

1232
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: Do you remember things being different in terms of, you know,

1233
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily an offensive or defensive meetings, But is

1234
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: there a different field to preparation for a game like this?

1235
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: The the Oregon offense comes out with some different looks,

1236
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: The Oregon defense is preparing for a singular dual threat

1237
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: quarterback talent that maybe we haven't seen since or before

1238
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: in cam Newton. Is there do you feel a heightened

1239
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: sense of focus? Is there? Is it learning something all new?

1240
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: What do you remember about the team sort of preparing

1241
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: in Arizona, basically after not playing in a game for

1242
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: as you said, about a month.

1243
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was a pretty tricky balance of

1244
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 3: like trying to stay relaxed over that whole ten day

1245
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 3: period when we were there, but also putting in the work.

1246
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 3: And obviously there's no one on the scout team that's

1247
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: gonna simulate Cam as big as Cam and as.

1248
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: Versatile as he was, so yeah, it was.

1249
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 3: It was pretty interesting because being a specialist, I'm able

1250
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 3: to watch during practice and get a sense of the

1251
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 3: team in that sense, but I'm not sitting in on

1252
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 3: all the meetings and seeing how focused everyone really is.

1253
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: We met with the tight Ends because coach Osborne was

1254
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: the tight End's coach, so we would, you know, we'd

1255
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 3: see how locked in David Paulson and those guys were.

1256
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 3: But that's really the only real sense we had. And

1257
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 3: just comparing to the Rose Bowl the year before, how

1258
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 3: many guys were.

1259
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 2: In the video game room where they have kingpong tables

1260
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: and pool tables.

1261
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 3: There was just less guys in there fooling around throughout

1262
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 3: the day, and what I would assume is more intense

1263
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 3: film study and meetings and everything of that nature. So

1264
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 3: I think just the level of overall focus that year

1265
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 3: compared to especially the year before, was just that much

1266
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 3: more intense.

1267
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: So the game happens and the Oregon defense is I

1268
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: would say, pretty exceptional all things considered with what the

1269
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: Ducks are facing and Cam Newton and the season that

1270
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: Auburn had offensively, and the Oregon offense really struggles to

1271
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: get into a rhythm. The offense generates some big plays,

1272
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,919
Speaker 1: comes up huge near the end of the game, generating

1273
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: a touchdown drive. Did that surprise you based on both

1274
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: the season and by what you saw in practice that

1275
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: it was the Oregon defense leading the way of underrated

1276
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: part of the team and the offense, which had been

1277
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: this explosive unit really struggling with a i'd say somewhat

1278
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: average Auburn defense. Was that surprising to the way the

1279
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: game played out?

1280
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: It was?

1281
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 3: It was especially like I said earlier, us putting up

1282
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 3: at least forty points on almost everyone we played, I

1283
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 3: thought this was for sure going to be a shootout.

1284
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 3: I believe the over under was like seventy points or something,

1285
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: and I thought that was crazy. But our defense was

1286
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: underrated throughout the year. I mean it was the typical

1287
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 3: bend but don't break that ALIODI loved and there are

1288
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: so many studs on that defense, so it didn't surprise

1289
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 3: me in that sense. But I was pretty surprised that,

1290
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 3: you know, especially in the second half, we didn't come

1291
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 3: out and look all that different and make that many

1292
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: crazy adjustments. I thought we'd come out of the locker

1293
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 3: room at half and hopefully hang thirty or whatever, and

1294
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 3: it's just, you know, it never came to fruition.

1295
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: It was.

1296
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 3: It was pretty sloppy overall. As one of my biggest

1297
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 3: memories is how quick the game went and how sloppy

1298
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 3: it was overall.

1299
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: You hear sometimes in retrospect coaches saying, you know, it

1300
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: was a story that came out. Who knows how true

1301
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: it is after this year's LSU Oklahoma game that LSU

1302
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: coaches were quietly extremely confident that they didn't view Oklahoma

1303
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: as worthy of the stage. Who knows if it's true,

1304
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: But you do hear stories about coaches being especially confident.

1305
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: What do you remember about the vibes heading into the

1306
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: game compared to other big game moments, Because you have

1307
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: now played in a number of huge Chip Kelly coached

1308
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: Oregon Team Games. Was there a sense of yeah, we

1309
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: got this, they're vulnerable, or was it if we do

1310
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: this and if we do that, we have a shot.

1311
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: What what was the sense of comfort and confidence do

1312
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: you from the from the coaching staff?

1313
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: Super confident super confident ship was always about you know,

1314
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,520
Speaker 3: control a wee can control and win the day, and

1315
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, build up to the game, and the sense

1316
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 3: throughout the team is that as long as we played

1317
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 3: our game, there was no one that could beat us.

1318
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 3: And we were all extremely bought in on that. And

1319
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 3: there were a few guys, especially on offense, like when

1320
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: Mike and I were pretty close, and I always checked

1321
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 3: in with a couple of the other backups on offense

1322
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 3: and just tried to get a sense because I wasn't

1323
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 3: in their meeting rooms, and every single one of them,

1324
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: you know, would would look me in the eyes and

1325
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 3: be like, oh, yeah, we're we're going to be fine.

1326
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: So you know that.

1327
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: Why do you think that was it was based on

1328
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: one film study, based on confidence with previous results. What

1329
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,799
Speaker 1: was it that that filled the team with that much confidence?

1330
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,520
Speaker 2: I think it was because.

1331
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if they thought that Nick Fairley could

1332
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 3: could really take over a game like he had throughout

1333
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 3: the year. I remember talking to a couple of the

1334
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 3: old alignment and they're like, if you know, if we

1335
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 3: neutralize Nick fairly and if he runs upfield and takes

1336
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 3: himself out of a lot of the plays like he

1337
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 3: had throughout.

1338
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: The year, then we're going to be fine. And then

1339
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 2: he blew up so many plays in the first half.

1340
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 3: I thought they would, you know, do something different in

1341
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 3: the second half to to kind of mitigate what he

1342
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: was doing.

1343
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 2: And it never happened.

1344
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 3: But I think it was, you know, man demand, if

1345
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 3: you looked at their defense versus our offense, I think

1346
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 3: that you could still argue we were better. We just

1347
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 3: they they made plays, especially in the red zone, that

1348
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 3: we couldn't punch it in.

1349
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 2: So, you know, so frustrated to look back on.

1350
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: But have you watched that? Have you watched the game since?

1351
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 4: So?

1352
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: I had not watched it until.

1353
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if if you knew Tim Taylor, our

1354
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 3: backup hunter on the earlier years, he got married this

1355
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 3: summer and I stayed at Rob Beard's house. This was

1356
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 3: like August of this year, and we decided to watch it. Yeah,

1357
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 3: and we decided to watch it. I don't think he

1358
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 3: had ever watched it, and we came away like, oh

1359
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 3: my god, we we were the better team, Like we

1360
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 3: you know, it's just a few plays here there. Again,

1361
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 3: it was the little things that I came down to

1362
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 3: and just so close. So yeah, that was the first

1363
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 3: time this summer that I actually watched it.

1364
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: And what during your time do you feel like was

1365
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 1: a more talented team better team? What was that difference

1366
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned the leadership? Where were other teams better, stronger?

1367
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: Do you feel like other teams could have done the

1368
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: little things perhaps that the twenty ten team couldn't do.

1369
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: Certainly there was a quarterback change after twenty eleven and

1370
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: a different quarterback in two thousand and nine. Where do

1371
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: you think other teams during the Chip Kelly era would

1372
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: have fallen against this twenty ten Auburn team.

1373
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the twenty twelve team was our best team.

1374
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 2: I know.

1375
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 3: The athletic just came out with a piece the other

1376
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 3: day with the brackets, and the twenty ten team was

1377
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 3: the most talented team in the best and I think

1378
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 3: they would have beat that Auburn twenty twelve. Imagine Marcus

1379
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 3: the twenty five team. Yeah, imagine Marcus first case, that

1380
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 3: would have been such an awesome game. And I think

1381
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 3: the twenty eleven team was every bit as good as

1382
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 3: the twenty ten team.

1383
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 2: It was just a younger team.

1384
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 3: We graduated a lot of studs from that, you know,

1385
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 3: after the Auburn game. So I think talent wise, the

1386
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 3: twenty twelve team I think would have beat that Auburn team.

1387
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 3: And I think the twenty eleven team also would have

1388
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 3: been been a really good game. The team that played

1389
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 3: Ohio State in that rose bolm definitely wasn't as talented.

1390
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 3: I think Darren Thomas was better than Masoli overall, and

1391
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 3: so I think there, you know, there was a big

1392
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 3: hole there. And then I think the difference of Kenyon

1393
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 3: and Michael versus Lemichael and la Garrett the year before

1394
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 3: was a big step up, and I think that would

1395
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 3: have made a huge difference.

1396
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: So what is it like, locker room before the game,

1397
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: locker room at halftime, and sideline do you do you

1398
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,879
Speaker 1: feel energy changing, do you feel confidence turning into concern?

1399
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: Or are you just so wrapped up in the game

1400
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: because it's just this this huge crowning moment of the

1401
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: sport you're playing in.

1402
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 3: Sideline was always extremely confident. Every time we got the

1403
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 3: ball back, we thought that's when we were going to

1404
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 3: get rolling. And that's really how every game was, including

1405
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 3: that col game. It was like, every time we got

1406
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 3: the ball back, this was when we were going to

1407
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 3: put our foot on the gas and go. So there

1408
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,839
Speaker 3: was always a lot of confidence. And I'd say pregame

1409
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 3: is the same way. It's like we just wanted to

1410
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 3: get on the field and get kickoff going because you know,

1411
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 3: we knew we were going to blow out a lot

1412
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:37,759
Speaker 3: of these teams going into it. I can't really comment

1413
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 3: much about the locker room at halftime. We're in there

1414
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 3: for a few minutes, and we hear coach Ow, you know,

1415
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 3: gathering up the defense and you know, screaming at the beginning.

1416
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 2: But most of us.

1417
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 3: Specialists when would get out there as early as possible

1418
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 3: and during halftime, so didn't see a lot during halftime.

1419
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 3: But I can just say our confidence on the sideline

1420
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,799
Speaker 3: always was was really positive, really really upbeat.

1421
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, and after the game, is it is

1422
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 1: it a crush team? You know, the way Oregon loses

1423
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: the game, certainly with Michael Dyer with the last second

1424
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: field goal, is it is it depressed. Is it is

1425
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:15,839
Speaker 1: it crushed?

1426
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 3: Is it.

1427
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: Sort of confused and in a daze. What do you

1428
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: remember about the emotion following a game? I mean, you're

1429
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: you have and I was on the field, you know,

1430
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: the blue and orange confetti comes down, You're going into

1431
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: a locker room losing the biggest game of your life.

1432
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that emotion? What do you

1433
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: remember about communication with coaches and the way everything is

1434
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: gathered and even the minutia of a postgame loss.

1435
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember personally just trying to get out of

1436
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 3: the locker room and get on the bus as quickly

1437
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 3: as possible. I you know, I witnessed a lot of

1438
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 3: a lot of tears and a lot of you know,

1439
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 3: just a lot of really sad handshakes. I think it's

1440
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 3: the way it allays down at the end of the day.

1441
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 3: I think, you know, we went toe to toe with them,

1442
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 3: and to have a play like Michael Dyer play really

1443
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 3: be the decision maker was what made that loss that

1444
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 3: much worse. Right, and then the fact that for most

1445
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 3: away games, you know, you fly out right after the

1446
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 3: game and you get back. The fact that we had

1447
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 3: to like go back to the hotel that night, and

1448
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: still kind of all sit around and wait to flock

1449
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 3: out the next day.

1450
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 2: I think it made it that much worse.

1451
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 3: So it was it was quiet, If I used one word,

1452
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 3: it was really eerie, really quiet.

1453
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 2: Really sad.

1454
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: But do the coaches communicate? Is there is there a

1455
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 1: giant team meeting? Is there like a debriefing. Is there

1456
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: a coach saying, you know, like looking at film, not

1457
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 1: necessarily film right after the game obviously, but is there

1458
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: is there a communication with the coaches saying, you know,

1459
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: we did everything we could or we didn't. You know

1460
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: what is that like the interaction with the staff?

1461
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.

1462
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 3: I definitely remember Chip addressing the team and just saying

1463
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 3: how how proud he was of us and how we

1464
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 3: have nothing to hang our heads about. I don't remember

1465
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: exactly what was said, but I just remember him saying

1466
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 3: something to the effect of like you have nothing to

1467
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: hang your hats about, and how proud he was of us,

1468
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 3: and he was always, you know, pretty positive even after

1469
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 3: losses and taking them as a learning experience. So that's

1470
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 3: the general takeaway of what I remember him saying to

1471
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 3: the team as a whole.

1472
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: And now as you look back, what do you what

1473
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: do you remember about playing at Oregon that people don't know,

1474
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: people misunderstand, people are one hundred percent correct about when

1475
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: you look back at this time, Oregon goes to a

1476
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: National Championship game and you went to You went to

1477
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: four BCS games, right, you go to the Rose, the Fiesta,

1478
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: the Fiesta again, and the Rose again. What do you remember?

1479
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: What do you take away from the Chip Kelly era

1480
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: and that level of success.

1481
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I personally take away how So I came in

1482
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 3: Bloodi's final year, so I saw what the culture and

1483
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 3: the day to day it was like pre and post

1484
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 3: Chips and so I'm you know, I'm a huge Chi

1485
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 3: Kelly defender, and you know I'll defend him to the death.

1486
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 3: I just think what he did coming into that program

1487
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 3: and changing the culture, changing the style of play, putting

1488
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 3: his stamp on it.

1489
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: It was really remarkable to be a part of.

1490
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 3: And you know, the teams that bought into it really

1491
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 3: benefited from it. And he didn't try to just develop

1492
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 3: us as players, but as people, you know, like people

1493
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 3: started going to class more and getting better grades, and

1494
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 3: our networking opportunities got better and better. So just the

1495
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 3: little things that ship did to make us better people.

1496
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 3: I'll always be thankful for from a football perspective, obviously

1497
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:42,919
Speaker 3: getting to play in all those big.

1498
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 2: Games, winning that Rose Bowl.

1499
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 3: Being a kid growing up in southern California, that's like

1500
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 3: what I always wanted.

1501
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 2: So I'll always.

1502
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 3: Remember like running on the field when time expired during

1503
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 3: that Rose Bowl and like jumping into David Paulson's arms.

1504
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: It was it was It was like one of the

1505
01:19:59,080 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: best memories ever.

1506
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 3: So, you know, just winning a Rose Bowl, the first

1507
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 3: one that and I forget how many years for Oregon.

1508
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 3: Just being part of that was really special. And just

1509
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 3: the culture shift that ship in still during his time

1510
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 3: there was awesome to be a part of.

1511
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot on the show about the secret

1512
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: sauce of winning in championship programs. A lot of that

1513
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: is that word culture and buy in. And you have

1514
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: limited experience that the final year of Mike Bolotti was

1515
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: a good but not great team. You end up in

1516
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: the Holiday Bowl, you red shirted that year. Is it

1517
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: just a coaches being more humans, being more direct about expectations,

1518
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: being more empathetic? What is to you? What is championship culture?

1519
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 3: Like?

1520
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: What when you talk about buying, is it just getting

1521
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: people to care, explaining things, getting them to understand what

1522
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 1: is expected to them. What, how do you actually define

1523
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: buy in in culture?

1524
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 3: I think it was just put really simply for us,

1525
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 3: like if you're not going to buy in, you're gonna

1526
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 3: be out of here. Like if if you can't be

1527
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 3: accountable to get good grades and go to class, then

1528
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm not going to play you on a Saturday. So

1529
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 3: it was just laid out really simply for us, okay.

1530
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 3: And there was a lot more accountability teammates to teammate

1531
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 3: from winter conditioning to staying there for the summer and

1532
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 3: you know, taking summer school and conditioning in the summer.

1533
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,480
Speaker 3: There was just a lot more player to player accountability,

1534
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 3: you know, guys like Walt Thurman and TJ. Ward, especially

1535
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 3: that first year after we were like big culture instillers.

1536
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 3: I'd say, but yeah, I think it was just player

1537
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 3: to player accountability was the biggest change that I noticed.

1538
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Palmer, thank you very much for your time and

1539
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: for your insight and just speaking from the heart. Michael

1540
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: Dyer was down.

1541
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 2: He was definitely down. He was.

1542
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: All right, man cool.

1543
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 4: Thank you to mister Jeff Palmer for stopping by sharing

1544
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 4: some of his insight twenty two to nineteen. Auburn won

1545
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 4: the National Championship for the twenty ten college football season.

1546
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 4: They played the game on January tenth, twenty eleven, out

1547
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 4: there in Glendale, Arizona. Dan and I were there. I

1548
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 4: will post as part of this posting out on our

1549
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 4: website and maybe on some of our social channels that

1550
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 4: video that I mentioned earlier, the video that we put

1551
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 4: to the score that we ended up making that got

1552
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 4: us a little bit of a claim, which was really

1553
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 4: cool and a lot of fun to make, So you

1554
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 4: can relive that moment with us. I watched it a

1555
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 4: few times last night, still get a kick out of it.

1556
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 4: Can't believe we put that thing together, But we'll put

1557
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 4: that out on our website for those of you who

1558
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 4: want to take a stroll down memory lane with us.

1559
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 4: We would also encourage you to email us at sliverbo

1560
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 4: at gmail dot com. We don't know how long we're

1561
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 4: going to be in this offseason mode. Quite frankly, it's

1562
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 4: a much different offseason given current world events. So we

1563
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 4: always ready willing and able to read your suggestions for

1564
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 4: what we should talk about next. Do you like these shows?

1565
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 4: Do you like us rewatching games. Great, let us know

1566
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 4: which game we should watch next. Do you have another idea,

1567
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 4: something else that we can cover to keep that fire

1568
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 4: of college football burning even in these uncertain times?

1569
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: Dan, do you have a non Notre Dame and I'm trying,

1570
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: I will think of a non Oregon game that you

1571
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: still need to make peace of that you were just

1572
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: either disappointed with or surprised by and are still trying

1573
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: to figure out how to feel about a specific matchup.

1574
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm putting you on the spot as you think about

1575
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 1: hundreds or thousands of games that are cycling through your brain.

1576
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: But well, if there's anything that jumps out, let's think

1577
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: on that.

1578
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 4: A game that was formative for me was that National

1579
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 4: championship game I want to say in two thousand and

1580
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 4: one between Miami and Ohio State's.

1581
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: I think that's later, that's three. So two thousand and

1582
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: one was nebrass So the two thousand and one season

1583
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: was Nebraska Miami, Miami shells them.

1584
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 4: The game where willis mcgae he blew out his knee right.

1585
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 4: That game, to me is one that I still have

1586
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 4: trouble with. And the pass interference game past interference game,

1587
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 4: but that knee injury went through me in a way

1588
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 4: that most injuries don't, and it's something that I still

1589
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 4: remember to this day. Maybe not so much from a

1590
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 4: game standpoint. The game was incredible. There were a lot

1591
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 4: of megastars on the field for that game, but that

1592
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 4: injury in and of itself is something that I still

1593
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 4: think about and had a really really profound impact on

1594
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 4: me as a college football fan, to be honest. So

1595
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 4: I want to say it instantly comes to mind.

1596
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: It was all three. It was ACLMCLLCL, I believe PCL,

1597
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: whichever it was, but it was It.

1598
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,679
Speaker 4: Was the fact that he came back and was able

1599
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 4: to play again in the NFL. Didn't achieve nearly the

1600
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 4: success that made me some thought he could have before

1601
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 4: the injury, but nonetheless, the fact that he got to

1602
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 4: where he was an accomplishment. Unto itself, that game stands out.

1603
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 4: I would need more time to think of.

1604
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 1: Other ones, but no, I'm I'm looking at some of

1605
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: the stuff from this game. MVP. Craig Krenzel, how do

1606
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,879
Speaker 1: we not who I think is a doctor?

1607
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 3: Now?

1608
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 1: I want to say, it's a Keith Jackson game. So

1609
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: he went through to go through two thousand. I know

1610
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 1: we did USC Texas, so he still had a few

1611
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: years a couple Well, he did the rid of this game.

1612
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 4: He did the retirement tour where everyone gave him gifts,

1613
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 4: and then he didn't retire, which I think is still

1614
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,799
Speaker 4: one of the greatest schemes ever played.

1615
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: Totally true, I'm totally I'm I'm down to do this game.

1616
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: This was the two thousand and three Tostedos Festival. I

1617
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: want to say, I watched this at an ex girlfriend's

1618
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: parents house. That's that's your that's AT's I suppose. There's

1619
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 1: a lot of that guy names in this game, including

1620
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, everybody on that Miam that crazy Miami team.

1621
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 1: That's what Andre Johnson and Sean Taylor and John Nathan Vilma,

1622
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: DJ Williams. There's Entre role who's in a lot. Yeah,

1623
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: so I'm down. You want to do that, We can

1624
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: do that. It's also pretty sound verbal, which I like

1625
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: a lot.

1626
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 4: All Right, well, let's plan on doing that. If anyone

1627
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 4: else has any other suggestions for games that we could watch,

1628
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 4: We're open minded. We'll take a look. But for now

1629
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 4: we'll go with that as sort of our our marching

1630
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 4: orders until next week.

1631
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Maurice Clarett. Yeah. Oh, there's a lot happening here,

1632
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: a lot going on in that game. I'm feeling that

1633
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: juice TI all right.

1634
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 4: So on that note, thank you for bearing with us,

1635
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 4: thank you to mister Palmer for stopping by with some

1636
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 4: of his wisdom and first hand account, and we will

1637
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 4: be back next week. In the meantime, we'd encourage everyone

1638
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 4: wash your hands, stay safe, and as I say each

1639
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 4: and every week, thank you so much for listening.

1640
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: Stay solid, Pe