WEBVTT - Casting Afar

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to on the job. Today, we're talking with Erica Nelson,

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<v Speaker 1>a fly fishing guide in Colorado committed to making the

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<v Speaker 1>fishing community more diverse and more fun workdays for Erica,

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson begins softly.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I just like to just sit at the water,

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<v Speaker 2>especially right when I arrive.

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<v Speaker 3>Sitting there and observing.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on and then just kind of connecting with

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<v Speaker 2>that place is really important to me. So looking around

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<v Speaker 2>at you know, what birds are around, or what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of bugs or if there's any hatches, and feeling the water. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just connecting with the area in the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Being a fly fishing guide in Crested Butte, Colorado, Erica

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<v Speaker 1>gets to make a connection with some of the most

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful places in the whole world, especially if you're as

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<v Speaker 1>excited about fishing as she is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, within ten minutes there's the Slate River in

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<v Speaker 2>the East River, and that's really fun for a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of little brook trout. And then there's the gunnisin which

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<v Speaker 2>is gold metal water. So as the Taylor River further

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<v Speaker 2>up on the tailor there are like some major mega.

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<v Speaker 3>Trout up there. It's all catching release.

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<v Speaker 2>And then above that there's like some creeks, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>a great place to take people learning how to fly fish.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like open meadows and so it really just depends.

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<v Speaker 1>But you might be surprised to learn that for someone

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<v Speaker 1>whose job has become taking people out on the water.

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<v Speaker 1>Erica didn't always enjoy fishing.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I actually hated it as a kid. My dad

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<v Speaker 2>loved fly fishing, and he tried to take me and

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<v Speaker 2>even spin fishing as a kid, just down a lake,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just remember hating it so much. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like painfully boring, and I would get frustrated and I

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<v Speaker 2>just remember throwing the pole in the water and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>f this, like I'm never touching a rot again, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't ever me. So my dad and I never talked

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<v Speaker 2>about fishing growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's no wonder that Erica's path to becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>fishing guide had more twists and turns than a meandering river.

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<v Speaker 1>At the beginning of her work life or her occupational headwaters,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, Erica was working at a boutique hotel

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<v Speaker 1>over in Portland, Oregon.

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<v Speaker 2>I really liked the job. It was really pivotal for

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<v Speaker 2>my career and my experience. I started as like a

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<v Speaker 2>housekeeping supervisor and worked my way up into rooms management,

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<v Speaker 2>so I would then manage like housekeeping in front desk folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Among the best parts of that job for Erica were

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<v Speaker 1>her co workers. One even blossomed into a mentor, who

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<v Speaker 1>Erica credits with helping her thrive at work and develop

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<v Speaker 1>as a person.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was amazing because we moved hotels three different times,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was a really great many years that

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<v Speaker 2>we got to work together, and we were kind of

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<v Speaker 2>this like dynamic duo.

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<v Speaker 1>And these were fancy hotels, the kind of place that

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<v Speaker 1>smells nice and looks cool, but also where the guests

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<v Speaker 1>can be a little needy. So when Erica got a

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<v Speaker 1>few days off, she'd often have a desire to get

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<v Speaker 1>away from all that pomp and hand holding and set

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<v Speaker 1>off into the wild landscapes of the Pacific Northwest.

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<v Speaker 2>It was funny because you know, this was the boutique

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<v Speaker 2>hospitality world. And I would go rock claiming on the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>or I would go like camping with friends and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I just slept on a rock and these

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<v Speaker 2>people are complaining about thread count in the sheets, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was a moment of like, wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>really used to like this that I still like hospitality,

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<v Speaker 2>but to a different degree, and it just couldn't really

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<v Speaker 2>empathize as much. And I think that's when I noticed

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<v Speaker 2>I lost this connection.

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<v Speaker 1>Around that same time, there were some staffing changes and

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<v Speaker 1>that mentor that Erica loved working with was replaced by

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<v Speaker 1>someone that she just wasn't really jiving with. So pretty quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>Erica found herself one if maybe there was a new

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<v Speaker 1>step in her life, a new adventure waiting for her.

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<v Speaker 2>And I ended up having this picture of Denali right

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<v Speaker 2>in front of my computer, and I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it would be really great to like climber

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<v Speaker 2>ount on someday, and it would be really great to

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<v Speaker 2>be outside right now. So yeah, I think I really

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<v Speaker 2>was fantasizing about being outdoors.

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<v Speaker 1>People will often tell us that when things aren't going

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<v Speaker 1>as we'd like them to, that we should envision what

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<v Speaker 1>our new life might look like. Manifestation as it's called,

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<v Speaker 1>in which we send out our desires into the world

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<v Speaker 1>in the hopes that they come true, But often what

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<v Speaker 1>we get in response isn't exactly what we envisioned. So

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<v Speaker 1>while Erica sat there in her boutique hotel dreaming of

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<v Speaker 1>mountains in Alaska. A friend called her up and said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you come down to California and learn how

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<v Speaker 1>to be a whitewater rafting guide.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I said no, And then that afternoon and

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<v Speaker 2>I had a really hard feeting with my boss, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I called her that like evening and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I take it back, I'm coming down.

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<v Speaker 3>So it kind of all happened really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>So despite having no prior rafting experience and being admittedly

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of water, soon Erica was all about rafting.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I loved it. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned so many different skills, mostly about myself. For

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, I just honed in more like direction, because

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<v Speaker 2>when you're on the water, you need people to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to do it right away or else we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna flip, right, And I saw this beautiful marriage of

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<v Speaker 2>like the skills that I had in the office and

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<v Speaker 2>then in the outdoors of what I needed people to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, Wow, there's something to this. I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up getting an undergrad degree an outdoor leadership as

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<v Speaker 2>my minor, and I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like this connection with people in the outdoors,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that was really cool, and that was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the trajectory of wanting to continue guiding, wanting

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<v Speaker 2>people to learn how to guide, wanting to do overnight trips,

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<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, it just kind of stuck with me

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just been such a great skill.

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<v Speaker 1>But Erica isn't one to sit back and get comfy.

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<v Speaker 1>So after doing the whitewater rafting thing for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>she moved up to Wyoming, and while she was there,

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<v Speaker 1>she noticed that a lot of people were fishing, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as we'll recall from her childhood, was totally not her thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But whether it was the staggering beauty of Wyoming's rivers

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<v Speaker 1>or just how into fishing all these Wyoming folks seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be, Erica got intrigued. Then she got a fishing pole.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I was like, you know, I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to try this out. So I just went on YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>and tried whipping it around and really wasn't successful in

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, like I've had.

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<v Speaker 2>All these experiences of skiing and you know, rock claimbing

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<v Speaker 2>and backpacking and.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a learning curve.

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<v Speaker 2>But with fly fishing, it was like this thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be good at I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>would it be like if I just caught one fish?

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<v Speaker 2>I just highly com made a goal for myself to

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<v Speaker 2>catch one fish, and then I'm going to move on

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<v Speaker 1>We're back with Erica Nelson, who, after moving to Wyoming,

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<v Speaker 1>gave herself the very modest goal of catching just one fish.

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<v Speaker 1>How long did it take you to catch that first fish?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, honestly, probably like a year. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a year of like catching lots of trees, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>falling in the river, and I would pretend like I

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<v Speaker 2>knew what I was doing when other people would ask

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<v Speaker 2>to come along.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite it taking an entire year for Erica to

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<v Speaker 1>catch her first fish, she started to see how people

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<v Speaker 1>could get so into it. There was something both thrilling

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<v Speaker 1>and almost spiritual about fishing. So she kept at it,

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<v Speaker 1>still slipping on rocks and getting her line wrapped around

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<v Speaker 1>tree branches, but getting ever more into it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>one night she goes to a bar, and being the

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<v Speaker 1>social person that she is, she strikes up a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with an older gentleman next to her and lo and behold,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a fisherman.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, you can row a boat, you can row,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll teach you how to fly fish.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like great.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was this really beautiful exchange that we had,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was an elder man, so it was really

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<v Speaker 2>to learn new experiences from him and be able to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of then start my skills and then can build

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<v Speaker 2>on that.

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<v Speaker 1>So just like that, while talking between SIPs at the bar,

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<v Speaker 1>Erica finds a fishing mentor to show where the ropes,

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<v Speaker 1>a wise old timer who could show her how to

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<v Speaker 1>tie knots and read the water and avoid all those

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<v Speaker 1>pesky tree limbs.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, him and I became really great friends for

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<v Speaker 2>the next few years after we met, so he was

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<v Speaker 2>a really He actually took me in my first overnight

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<v Speaker 2>float trip down on the Snake River softwork sneak and

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<v Speaker 2>that was a really cool experience. But to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to have like a solid mentor every weekend, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I would be able to have the skills where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not today.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to the wisdom of this older mentor, Erica

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<v Speaker 1>also picked up fishing tips from people on social media

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<v Speaker 1>platforms like Instagram and if we're being honest, also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty straightforward and honest of like just wiped right because

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<v Speaker 2>you were holding a fish to you my answering a

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<v Speaker 2>few questions like what kind of species is that? Like

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<v Speaker 2>how do I tie this? Now? Like do you have

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<v Speaker 2>any recommendations? And then that's when I actually started to

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<v Speaker 2>build a lot of friendships. So they were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>co meet me and finddale, like I'll take you on

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<v Speaker 2>the Green River. And you know, I ended up making

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great friends and I'm still really good

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<v Speaker 2>friends with today.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more time that Erica spent fishing, the more

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<v Speaker 1>she noticed that the people on the water didn't look

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<v Speaker 1>like her, and sometimes that brought unwanted attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was the only woman at the boat ramp

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<v Speaker 2>and people would just stop and stare, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, this is so it's already like intimidating enough,

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<v Speaker 2>like backing up the trailer let alone, having like a

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<v Speaker 2>full audience staring at everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And the online fishing community wasn't very diverse either.

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed that there wasn't like a lot of women

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<v Speaker 2>of color, especially you know, fishing having indigenous roots.

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<v Speaker 3>And I got a lot of requests from people of.

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<v Speaker 2>Like take me fishing, you know, And I'm like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's this need in this calling that I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 2>in this industry that need more female guides in the industry.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I moved to Colorado, I'm feeling this like

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<v Speaker 2>this tug, this like need, this calling almost to female,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was like, I'm just going to do

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<v Speaker 2>a season and I ended up having a very busy

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<v Speaker 2>summer of just like people from all over the world,

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<v Speaker 2>really particularly in the US, but coming they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I heard your guiding, and it ended up like being

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<v Speaker 2>really fun and I was like, wow, this is awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm seeing an increase and I'm inspiring all these

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<v Speaker 2>like other people that would never normally try fly fishing. Ever,

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<v Speaker 2>and after digging into some research, there was only one

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<v Speaker 2>other indigenous female guide in the entire state of Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>so that kind of made me like the second and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Wow, this is a really interesting like

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<v Speaker 2>demographics and how can I build more people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>their skill sets and wanting to be into this because

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<v Speaker 2>I've always found fly fishing as a gateway towards conservation.

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<v Speaker 2>The more that you spend time in the outdoors and

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<v Speaker 2>these beautiful areas, the more that you want to protect it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's kind of become this like I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>like passion, I guess mission for me, so it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of how I fell into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with becoming only the second indigenous female fly fishing

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<v Speaker 1>guide in Colorado, Erica also worked hard to have an

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<v Speaker 1>impact beyond her region on Instagram and producing a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>she called The Awkward Angler, in which she tackles some

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<v Speaker 1>of the difficult subjects or awkward conversations as she prefers

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<v Speaker 1>to see them that the fishing community needed to have.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard so many different fishy podcasts, but it's all

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<v Speaker 2>about big fish and destinations and things that I can't afford,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's fine at all, but I've kind of had

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<v Speaker 2>a different perspective when I'm out on the water, and

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to share that. And also, I fly fish

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<v Speaker 2>with a bunch of folks that are you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>you typically wouldn't see on the water, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to learn about their experiences that they have, And so

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<v Speaker 2>I started the Awkward Angler podcast and it's an authentic

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<v Speaker 2>series talking about fishing storytelling with folks in the outdoor industry,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's different people's experiences in the outdoors anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just these conversations that are typically either taboo.

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<v Speaker 3>To have or awkward.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of the name of the name, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it is awkward to learn how to fly fish, and

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I like to bring up about the

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<v Speaker 2>industry and point out is awkward to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>And along the way, she picked up some fans, some

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<v Speaker 1>of whom traveled great distances to spend a day on

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<v Speaker 1>the water with her.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a transcuple request me and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>a surprise for the partner's birthday and it was really

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<v Speaker 2>cool to see her like wide up. She's like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, you booked new Erica.

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<v Speaker 3>This is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So I typically have a lot of clients that are

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<v Speaker 2>on my age. Most of them are women, women of color.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of non binary trans folks, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I typically get those clients that are have been

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<v Speaker 2>historically excluded in the industry.

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<v Speaker 1>But as Erica sees it, she's not just introducing people

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<v Speaker 1>to fishing, she's reconnecting them with the natural world.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I've always found fly fishing as a gateway towards conservation.

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<v Speaker 2>The more that you spend time in the outdoors and

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<v Speaker 2>these beautiful areas, the more that you want to protect it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's kind of become this like I guess

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<v Speaker 2>like passion, I guess mission for me, and so that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of how I fell into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you had said that you see the fishing industry

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways as a lot of people taking,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're trying to make it a more reciprocal, harmonious relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I find it really important to have a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with everything.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we really need to protect.

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<v Speaker 2>Our water and our air and the areas that we

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<v Speaker 2>recreate and live in. There's a term called hojo in

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<v Speaker 2>my culture, and that's bringing balance and harmony in your life,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that's on a personal level, but with all

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<v Speaker 2>things and so I find that really important to bring

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<v Speaker 2>into guiding.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course Erica and her clients have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun out there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because they always recognize they're like, why is

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<v Speaker 2>every other boat so serious? And we have like music going,

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<v Speaker 2>We're having a good time, and you know, we can

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<v Speaker 2>actually shape the way that we want this to go.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be this one strict way to

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<v Speaker 2>do things. And so I think that's really fun to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to play around with and get other people

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<v Speaker 2>that wouldn't normally experience it, and we get to experience

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<v Speaker 2>it how they want to and how they're comfortable with

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<v Speaker 2>doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>So, after taking some leaps of faith and catching her

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<v Speaker 1>fair share of trees, Erica Nelson has established herself as

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<v Speaker 1>a sought after fishing guide. But while it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a dream to get to share the thing you love

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<v Speaker 1>so much with others day in and day out, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be careful.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>See, that's the thing of like why I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to guide because I was like, I like fishing too much.

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<v Speaker 2>But I definitely continue to hold my boundaries of having

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<v Speaker 2>that balance, and so there are times where I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>how to say no and be able to take time out.

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<v Speaker 1>For myself because Erica knows that, just like a river's

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<v Speaker 1>fish supply, our passions are precious resources that need to

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<v Speaker 1>be protected. So while she'll continue guiding, Erica will be

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<v Speaker 1>doing a little less of it as she starts on

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<v Speaker 1>yet another new adventure in her life, building a fly

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<v Speaker 1>fishing guide school of her own, one aimed at making

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<v Speaker 1>the more inclusive and welcoming to a wider array of people.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you've been stuck in a professional rut lately

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<v Speaker 1>and been dreaming of a new outdoorsy career manifesting your

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<v Speaker 1>next adventure, maybe you should give Erica a call. But

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<v Speaker 1>if she doesn't pick up, don't take offense. Just leave

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<v Speaker 1>a message because there's a good chance that eric and

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson is taking a little time away from her work

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<v Speaker 1>life to do what she loves, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>her dad is thrilled about.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in Las Vegas about it, and so he

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<v Speaker 2>came out for a weekend and that's all we did.

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<v Speaker 2>He was we'd wake up a breakfast and go fishing

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<v Speaker 2>all day and then come back up out of.

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<v Speaker 3>The canyon, have dinner, and then repeat.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was so much fun because it was a

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<v Speaker 2>really one and the fishing was really awesome, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a great way to connect with my dad.

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<v Speaker 1>For on the job. I'm Avery Thompson.