1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only 3 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: West Hodgoods. We have survived the Winner Storm Destiny, they 4 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: called it all the snow that's been piled on the 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: state of Wisconsin. But we are here in the lambeau 6 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Field Studios to continue our discussion that we started on 7 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: our last show with regards to Matt Lafleur's coaching staff. 8 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: We ran through the offensive coaches last time. We'll do 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: defense and special teams this time. And the way it 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: shakes down west again. On the defensive side of the ball, 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: a mixture of some holdovers and some new faces, so 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: quickly the rundown is sticking around Jerry Montgomery on the 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: defensive line, Jason Simmons with the defensive backs, and Ryan Downard, 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: who was a quality control coach on the defensive side 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: last year, is the assistant defensive backs coach to Simmons. 16 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: Then the new faces Kirk Oliver Dotty at inside linebacker, 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: Mike Smith with the outside linebackers, the Packers and the 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: flour deciding to split those jobs position wise into two 19 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: different coaching positions, and then to defensive quality control coaches 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: in Wendell Davis and Christian Parker. So you decide where 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: you want to start here with that defensive Rundown West, 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: what intrigues you the most? I think the first, first, 23 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: and foremost. In the last episode I talked about Ben 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: Sermons getting him back, I thought was a major plus. 25 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: I think being able to get Jerry Montgomery back with 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: that defensive line group seemed like a no brainer to me. 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: Mike Patton certainly had an idea of what he thought 28 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: of his staff and what adjustments he wanted to make, 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: and I think when you look at the season that 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: they had with their defensive line, you can talk until 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: the Cows come home about Kenny Clark and all of 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: it would be worthy. But the fact that he was 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: able to get you know, Tyler Lancaster playing the way 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: he did it late in the season, I thought I 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: and Lawry made one of the biggest jumps on the 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: entire roster um showing that he's more than just a 37 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: five tech defensive end. He can play three tech. Knows 38 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: there's different ways that you can utilize him. I think 39 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: he's going to be a weapon in Green Bay for 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: years to come. So I I tip my cap to 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: the job he did there. Certainly, Jason Simmons has been 42 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: around for a number of years, got an opportunity last 43 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: year to be with the secondary. Now he gets to 44 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: run that room. But but let's get down to the 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: meat and potatoes here. I think the one thing the 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Packers really, I don't want to say struggled with, but 47 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: but one of the things that was sort of inconsistent 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: was the outside linebackers was the pressure. Now, they did 49 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: end up setting some records in terms of sacks, but 50 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: I think looking for the overall more consistent push. Can 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: you look at Mike Smith, his history with Mike Petton 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: coming in taking over that room now in Green Bay 53 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: had a phenomenal year last year, d Ford having a 54 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: breakthrough season in Kansas City. Now he gets to try 55 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: his hand with Kyler Facral and whatever. This room is 56 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: gonna look like they're in two thousand nineteen. Yeah, and 57 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: that was it was kind of funny. I have to 58 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: admit when I first saw the announcement that Mike Smith 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: was joined the Packers coaching staff, my MND immediately went 60 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: to the former Atlanta head coach Tampa Bay defensive coordinator 61 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: like Holy cow, he's not retiring different different Mike Smith 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: in this case. But you mentioned it last year with 63 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Kansas City d Ford having a career season with the 64 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: pressure off the edge there, I know Ford ended up 65 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: having that extremely unfortunate offsides lining up off sides penalty 66 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: that wiped out really was the play that was going 67 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: to send the Kansas City Chiefs to the Super Bowl. 68 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: But then, as I mentioned, splitting the jobs outside linebacker 69 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: and inside linebacker again here Kirk Ola A. Dotty, a 70 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: long time Washington Redskins assistant coach, actually two different stints 71 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: in Washington, if I'm not mistaken. He was at the 72 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: University of Georgia in between there, but um but had 73 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: cross paths with Matt Lafleur when la Fleur was on 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: was working with Kyle Shanahan and Mike Shanahan in Washington, 75 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: so certainly some connections there. The other thing I thought 76 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: was interesting about all of a. Dotty when I was 77 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: looking at his bio, he was a wide receiver at 78 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Perdue from ninety three to ninety six, which I think 79 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and look for sure, but 80 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: I think that's right before Drew Brees got to prey you. 81 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: So his timing was maybe just a little offer. He 82 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: could have had a greater NFL career as a player, 83 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: but he certainly made a name for himself as an 84 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: assistant for four years older than Drew Brees, and unfortunately 85 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: wasn't able to cross paths with him. But here's the 86 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: other thing I really liked to I I go back, 87 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: and I have a shorter time frame to work off 88 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: of than you do when you look at the structure. 89 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: But I felt like some of the better years the 90 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: Packers had with Dom Caper's defense was when they had 91 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: a tried and true outside linebackers coach in Kevin Green, 92 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: and they had Winston Moss handling their inside backers. I 93 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: see a lot of that with this current set up 94 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: with Mike Smith and Olive Dotti and and the other 95 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: thing is too, is that both of these guys have 96 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: been pretty accomplished in their careers. I mean, you look 97 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: at some of the success that the Washington had in 98 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: the two thousand's and more recently. I mean, Mike Smith, 99 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: what an interesting journey he's been on to be a player. 100 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Was his position coach was Petton. He ends up retiring 101 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: because of injuries and oh eight gets a coaching internship 102 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: with the Jets when Rex, Ryan and Petton were there, 103 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: ends up being his outside linebackers coach a year later. 104 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: That's a pretty big jump. And then certainly to to 105 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: move around, went to his album Out of Texas Tech, 106 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: found his way to Kansas City and now reunited here 107 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: and then from Olive Dotti's circumstances, has been in Washington. 108 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: It's his only NFL job for sixteen years. We were 109 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: talking about James Camping in the remarkable run that he 110 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: was on in Green Bay and and Kirk had a 111 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: very similar run with Washington for you know, almost two decades. Well, 112 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see with Oliver Dotty and what 113 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: group he's going to be working with here in Green Bay, 114 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: becaus we all know about Blake Martinez and the progress 115 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: that he's made over the past couple of years. Or 116 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: in Burke's third round draft pick last year, didn't have 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: the rookie season that he was hoping for. That shoulder 118 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: injury in the preseason kind of just knocked his whole 119 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: progress off kilter in some respects, you might say, and 120 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: Burke's ended up playing a lot more on special teams 121 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: not as much on defense as the season went along, 122 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: but that injury led to Antonio Morrison uh coming over 123 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: from the Indianapolis Colts. He certainly made an impression as 124 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: one of those hard hitter, run stopping type of inside linebackers. 125 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: And and then um, we'll see obviously what happens with 126 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: Jake Ryan. He's coming back from the A c L. 127 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: But he's also on an expiring contract with his rookie 128 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: deal from being a twenty fifteen draft pick now expiring. 129 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: So uh, some potentially some some moving and shaking, some 130 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: shifting around there as far as what the Packers are 131 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: going to do it inside linebacker as well as that 132 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: outside linebacker with Factral coming off of a career season 133 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: with the double digit sacks. But a lot of questions 134 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: as to, Okay, what's gonna happen with Clay Matthews now 135 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: and and Nick Perry and and all of the uncertainty 136 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: that goes into you know, how this linebacking corps is 137 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 1: going to shape up in ten You sandwiched a gem 138 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: right in the middle there, and I think it's the 139 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: biggest point to make here. I think about you know, 140 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: Ben's sermons when he came in and he had Eddie 141 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: Lacy and James Starts at first year. But let's be real, 142 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: it was really when they drafted Aaron Jones and Jimal Williams. 143 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, this is your assignment. Get the most 144 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: out of these players. I look at a live a 145 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: Dotti getting or in Burkes. That's his big assignment right now. Yes, 146 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: you want to maximize what you have in Blake Martinez. 147 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: You want to see depending on how all this other 148 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: stuff shakes out with Morrison and Ryan, but Berks was 149 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: a big investment. That was a third round draft pick. Yeah, 150 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: that's that's in the draft. He's still relatively new to 151 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: the position, considering that he played half of his career 152 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: as a defensive back as a hybrid safety, so he's 153 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: learning the ins and outs of being an every down 154 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: inside linebacker in this league. I really wonder Michael and 155 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: again we'll have and you never know, everything is hypothetical, 156 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: but they have those warmups in Oakland. Burks hurts his shoulder, 157 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: he ends up missing a month, and we've seen so 158 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: many times how that can set guys back and just 159 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: not being allowing them. I think Mike Daniels in two 160 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: thousand twelve. I mean, Mike Daniels finished the year strong, 161 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: but he was a scratcherler in the season when he 162 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: was coming back off the labor surgery. So right for 163 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: for Olive Dotti here and we'll we'll hopefully get a 164 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: chance to talk to him soon and skit what his 165 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: thoughts are on Burks. I just look at that is 166 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: that is his primary assignment right now, getting the most 167 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: out of that draft pick and getting to be a 168 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: contributor in this defense. Yeah, and for what it's worth, 169 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: I had an interesting conversation with Burke's back in January 170 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: the final open locker room. We got a chance to 171 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: talk to the players before they all dispersed for their 172 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: off season, and and I got a chance to talk 173 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: to Burke's one on one, and and hey, he he 174 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: wasn't He didn't sugarcoat anything. He knows his rookie season 175 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: didn't go the way he wanted it to. The injury 176 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: certainly was a factor, but he also felt that when 177 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: he got his opportunities, he should have been able to 178 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: do more with them. And he flat out said to me, 179 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: or I should say, I asked him a very direct question, 180 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: do you feel like you need to come in your 181 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: second season and prove why the Packers made the draft 182 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: investment they did in you. He said absolutely that that 183 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: is the motivating force for him right now. He knows 184 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: the investment the Packers made in him, and he's out 185 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: to prove that he was worth it. Now. The other 186 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: thing I will say, and it was interesting because I 187 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: don't like to draw comparisons with players very often, but 188 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: in this case, I will just say this, and talking 189 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: to Burke's, the biggest thing that he felt was that 190 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: when he was out there on defense, that he was 191 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: still in that thinking too much stage and not just 192 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: reacting and playing well. It's a lot of what we 193 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: heard from Blake Martinez after these rookie year as well. 194 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: And Blake Martinez went to Stanford or in Burkes went 195 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: to Vanderbilt. These are these are smart guys who they 196 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: can process a lot mentally, but sometimes that can be 197 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: to your detriment in this in the sense of really 198 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: getting up to the speed of the NFL game when 199 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: you come from the college level. So as disappointing as Burke, 200 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: as disappointed as Burke's was in his rookie season, I 201 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: don't think anybody should give up on him by any means, 202 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: I think he's one of those year two players to 203 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: watch with the Green Bay Pack. Here's what we sometimes 204 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: forget with having Blake Martinez having two back to back 205 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: tackle seasons. We went into that opener in two thousand 206 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: seventeen not knowing he is gonna be a three down linebacker. 207 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: That during throughout training camp, throughout the preseason, it looked 208 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: like Joe Thomas was going to be the third down linebacker, 209 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: and it looked like Blake Martinez might be in there 210 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: with Jake Ryan on first and second down. Lo and Behold, 211 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: he ends up staying in on third downs and then 212 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: he's off to the races and running at One more 213 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: point I want to make about Burke's too, that I 214 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: think is important to make is that when you have 215 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: a season like he had, it's sometimes we get so 216 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: caught up and guys just jumping in right away and 217 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: having that jyr Alexander type season, there is a significant 218 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: learning curve. Regardless of what your your intellectual aptitude is, 219 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: you have to be able to catch up to the 220 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: speed of the game. That's the challenge that Burke is. 221 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: Burke's is tackling right now and the other thing that 222 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: probably didn't help him too, is with Blake Martinez being 223 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: sort of entrenched in that three down role, Burk's skill 224 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: set probably lends itself more to being a coverage linebacker 225 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: in terms of his base. I'm not saying he can't 226 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: play first and second down, but yeah, makes sense that 227 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: you're going to have more of that that road grading 228 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: type inside linebacker and on first and second down like Morrison, 229 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: who's gonna get after the ball carrier. That's where Burkes 230 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: needs to make that jump and showing that he can 231 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: be a well rounded athlete. Yeah. One one other thing 232 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: I want to run past you on defense before we 233 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: shift gears to special teams to defensive quality control coaches 234 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: Rndall Davis and Christian Parker. We haven't heard from Matt 235 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: la Fleur about his decision making process or how all 236 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: this came together. Do you have any kind of any idea. 237 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: I've never seen in my thirteen years here with the Packers, 238 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: I've never seen two quality control coaches on the same 239 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: side of the ball. I'm just curious if you have 240 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: any any insight into the rationale or the reasoning perhaps 241 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: behind that. I can only read the tea leaves here. 242 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: I did find it interesting that both of these gentlemen, 243 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: Wendell Davis and Christian Parker, both younger guys. They both 244 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: come from an analytics background, so I wonder how much 245 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: that could potentially be incorporated in this in addition to 246 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: having experience as defensive coaches, and these these are SEC 247 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: guys through and through. By the way, Wendell Davis played 248 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: linebacker at Arkansas, was a graduate assistant at A on 249 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: a very successful University of Georgia team, and then Parker 250 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: coming from Texas A and M Yeah exactly, then all 251 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: also got you know, some experience there at some other 252 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: spots and and being able to round themselves out. The 253 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: thing that that really jumps off the page to me 254 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: here is that last year Ryan Downer was a quality 255 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: control but they also had Scott McCurley as a defensive 256 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: assistant in the thought in just the definition of it, Yes, 257 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: it is a little unique, but you always typically have 258 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: those guys that can be sort of you know, pivot 259 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: and help out different groups. I think it's gonna be 260 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: interesting to see how both of these young guys developed, because, 261 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: as we've seen, if Matt Lafleur follows sort of the 262 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: prototype that's been here in Green Bay and you never know. Um, 263 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: you know, Luke Getzi was a quality control coach. I 264 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: mean you had uh Jerry fontno number yours quality control. 265 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,599 Speaker 1: I want to say that even Ben mc McAdoo was 266 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: at one point. I mean they work their way up 267 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the ladder. This is the internship to get your foot 268 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: in the door, take advantage of it. Yeah, alrighty well, 269 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: before we move on to the Special Teams West, the 270 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: powerful noise canceling technology that helps NFL coaches block out 271 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: eighty thou screaming fans can get you closer to the 272 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: music you love. 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Yeah, 285 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: Maurice Strayton Um sticking around as an assistant special teams coach. 286 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: And then an addition that I don't believe the Packers 287 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: ever had in the McCarthy era, and that's a quality 288 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: control coach specifically for special teams. And that's rain A. 289 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: Stewart who is coming with men and from Vanderbilt worked 290 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: worked him in a similar capacity there. Stewart actually Um 291 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: does have some NFL experience coaching with the Tennessee Titans. 292 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: And then was a five year defensive back, was a 293 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: fifth round pickback in had a five year career as 294 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: a dB in the NFL. So UM with Menenga, I'll 295 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: tell you this for those I don't have the time 296 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: or the space to go through it all. You want 297 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: to look at the true nomad coaching life, uh, constantly 298 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: being in transition and moving around and really moving up 299 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: the ladder. Sean Meninga. This is the guy who coached 300 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: at a community college, he coached at a Baptist college. 301 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: The list of places that he has coached at and 302 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: now here he is working his way all the way 303 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: up to being the special teams coordinator of the Green 304 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: Bay Packers. We don't need to go over chapter and 305 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: versus to what the Packers need to fix on special teams. 306 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: It was a rough year in teen all around in 307 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: that respect, but um, this is this is one of 308 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: the coaches who is going to be watched very closely 309 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: because of the Packers struggles in that area last year. Yeah. Absolutely, 310 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: I mean they need to make a big significant stuff 311 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: forward in that area. And and certainly the the Rick 312 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: Goslin ratings were what they were. But the thing I 313 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: really like about Meninga here, there's also a tie in 314 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: with Stuart Stewart was his special team's quality control coach 315 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: at Vanderbilt the last I think last season, and also 316 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: had some other exploits that he had with Vanderbilt. So 317 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: there's even a connection there in terms of why you know, 318 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: this gentleman is getting the opportunity with the special team's 319 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: quality control the Packers actually have done over the past, 320 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: they've had three coaches in that room. If you remember 321 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: the year that Mike McCarthy stepped away from play calling, 322 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: he actually considered himself the third guy in that room 323 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: that season. Uh, you know, Joe Witt assisted with with 324 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: punt returns. Jason Simmons, even when he went over to secondary, 325 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: still did some stuff. So it's not completely out of 326 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: the box to have three coaches. But I think what's 327 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: important is you have three guys that are all dedicated 328 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: towards it. I think that shows that Matt Lafleur has 329 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: as they're taking this seriously. They want to be able 330 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: to improve in that area. It's also gonna be interesting 331 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: to see the moves they make here and and they 332 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: structure this thing. We can only go off of just 333 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: a little bit that we know about Meningah. Danny Vitally, 334 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: the fullback that the Packers brought up to the active 335 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: roster the end of the last season, spoke very highly 336 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: of him on Twitter from their time together with the 337 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. Um Certainly Mike Petton, I'm guessing, also put 338 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: in a good word there with with their past experience. 339 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: So special teams coaches are never ones that you're gonna 340 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: have like ample amount of headlines to go back and read, 341 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: but it does seem like this is a guy that's 342 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: worked his way up the ladder and it really seems 343 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: to be well positioned for this opportunity. Yeah, and this 344 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: is his first time at the coordinator level at the NFL. 345 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: But make no mistake, as I mentioned, with all of 346 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: his coaching stops along the way, this is a guy 347 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: who's been a head coach. He's been a defensive coordinator, 348 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: I believe. I don't quote me on that, I'd have 349 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: to check, but he is. He has been a position coach, 350 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: a coordinator, at head coach at some level somewhere along 351 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: his career. He's pretty much held just about any job 352 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: you could hold on a football coaching staff at the 353 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: college or at least the college or the NFL level. 354 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: So extremely experienced coach who worked you were just calling 355 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: him up. Worked for Chris Tabor, special teams coordinator for 356 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: a number of years in Cleveland, and Meningo was his 357 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: assistant and table really accomplished and well thought of in 358 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: those circles. So to be able to, you know, work 359 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: off of him a little bit. The other thing I 360 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: like too, and this is nothing against ron Zook certainly 361 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: had ample experience too, but I think there is something 362 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: to be said for guys that have kind of climbed 363 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: the ladder that they have and had chances to work 364 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: in different special teams units. It doesn't have to be 365 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: special teams, but any type of unit. Before stepping into 366 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: that job, you look at the litany of people that 367 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: he's worked with in the different stops he's had. You 368 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: gain knowledge, you gain an appreciation, and I also like 369 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: the fact that he's coming from the college ranks, fresh 370 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: out of the college ranks. Considering the way the Packers 371 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: typically historically traditionally have built their special teams, you have 372 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: to be able to get the most and be able 373 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: to reach those first and second year players. Now maybe 374 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: they add that Jared Bush type veteran, a stalwart that 375 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: can help galvanize that unit unit. I think it would 376 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: be beneficial for them. But at the same time, you 377 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: have eleven guys, and those eleven guys and special teams 378 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: typically aren't Davante Adams, so you have to be able 379 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: to communicate with them and you know, go with the 380 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: flow and the punches. That was one area I think 381 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: the Packers just came up short this past year. They 382 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: had injuries, they had to move positions around, and they 383 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: just weren't able to keep that special teams up to 384 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: the level of need to be. At the other thing 385 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: you hope for for the Packer's sake as well, maybe 386 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: to get a little bit more consistency with their return units. 387 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: They had to cycle in a lot of guys, particularly 388 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: on punt returns. If you get Trevor Davis healthy or 389 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: you find another candidate for that position, I feel you 390 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: go back year after year. That's when the Packers have 391 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: been at their strongest. Yeah, I agree with you, and 392 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: I think we'll see how it shakes out in terms 393 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: of maybe finding a consistent return or somebody that you 394 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: can rely on, somebody that the whole return unit, both 395 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: punt and kickoff ken can rely on and count on, 396 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: and they know they know who's back there, they know 397 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: how he likes to do things and all of that. 398 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: So I think that will be a factor. But to 399 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: piggyback off of your comment earlier about or in Burke's 400 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: and sort of him being a key assignment on the 401 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: defensive side in terms of trying to raise his game, 402 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: I look at j K. Scott, the fifth round punner 403 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: out of Alabama, sort of the same way. He didn't 404 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: have a bad rookie season, but it wasn't probably the 405 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: rookie season at the end of the day statistically that 406 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: he was hoping for. He was another guy I talked 407 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: to on that final open locker room day and he 408 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: he all but admitted that from a physical standpoint, he 409 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: wore down a little bit as as the season went along, 410 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: and that's not unusual for rookies. And I know everybody 411 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: might be saying, well, he's just the punter. Well, you know, 412 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: there is something to be said for monitoring the reps 413 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: and and you know, and pacing yourself, um with that 414 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: skill throughout all what essentially is twenty games because he's 415 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: the preseason games are no picnic for a rookie trying 416 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: to you know, make his way in the NFL and 417 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: get used to the bright lights and all of that 418 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So J. K. Scott had to go 419 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: through all that, and by the time he got to 420 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: the end of the twenty games, he was physically a 421 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: little bit worn down. And the results at the end 422 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: of the season we're not what we saw back in 423 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: September and it wasn't just because of the weather. The 424 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: weather certainly is a factor, but the j K. Scott 425 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: that we were seeing in September and October, there was 426 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of a fade there. And and he 427 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: knows from a physical conditioning standpoint, it's on him to 428 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: maintain his body at a certain level throughout the season. 429 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: But I'm also curious to see, with with some of 430 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: the changes in the coaching staff and whatnot, and with j. K. 431 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: Scott's maturity, if he becomes the punter that the Packers 432 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: are certainly counting on when they spent a fifth round 433 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: draft pick on The question was asked to me an 434 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: inbox at the end of last week looking at the 435 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: kicker position with Mason Crosby and at what point and 436 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: if they end up having to replace him. And I 437 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: also made the point that Mason Crosby's thirty four, you 438 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: have an inventory running around heye at forty six and 439 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: still kicking, but and just signed another contract. I'm not mistaken. 440 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: But but when you make a move, when you bring 441 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: in someone new at a skill position, I should say, 442 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: a specialist position, do you look veteran, do you look 443 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: free agency, or do you go the draft. I think 444 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: the Packers made the right move and going towards j K. 445 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: Scott using a draft pick to try solidifying a position 446 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: that has been sort of an upheaval here the last 447 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: four or five years. But the thing you have to 448 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: understand what that investment is. You're dealing with the twenty 449 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: one year old man that had to go through the 450 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: combine process, had to go through the pro day process, 451 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: had to get himself position to be a fifth round 452 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: draft pick, and then, oh, by the way, a week 453 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: after you get to Green Bay, Justin Vogel has gone 454 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: You're the guy taking all the reps the rest of 455 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: the season. It's not an excuse. You have to be 456 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: able to adapt, you have to be able to improve. 457 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: But I just think with an offseason program kind of 458 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: focused on that, the strength side of things, a big 459 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: frame to work off of. We saw the leg Mike, 460 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: the leg talents. They're all training camp along. How much 461 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: for retweeting about that. Just had to do it in 462 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: games now, right, Yeah, there's no question about it. And 463 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: it's about consistency across all the special teams. With regards 464 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: to cutting down on the penalties. We talked about the 465 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: return game and what what some consistency could do there 466 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: in terms of field position, And yeah, when you get 467 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: right down to it, if you look at the unit 468 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: of the special teams as a whole, it was really 469 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: the penalties that impacted the Packers in the field position 470 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: game on both sides, both offensively and defensive. And to 471 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: throw one more thing out there as far as just 472 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: what to look for, I think this offseason training camp, 473 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm really curious what Meninga's philosophy is going to be 474 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: with punting. The Packers for the last three years really 475 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: focused on a lot of directional punting. Tim Mass, they 476 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: had issues with it, Jacob Chum was somewhat inconsistent with it, 477 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: just Justin Vogel was pretty shaky with it. J K. 478 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: Scott has the type of accuracy to be able to 479 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 1: do that. I'm curious though, if that is using him 480 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: to the best of his ability, I'll be very interested 481 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: to see. And maybe that's just the way things are 482 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: right now. But if you look at like Michael Dixon 483 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: and how some of these other guys are doing it, 484 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: that hasn't always been the emphasis. So I'm very curious 485 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 1: to watch that aspect of it. Yeah, and we'll probably 486 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: get a sense of that once we get to say 487 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: the training camp in the preseason game, so we'll we'll 488 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: see what happens. But with that we will sign off, 489 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted, 490 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: and we will next see you from the NFL Scouting 491 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis in a couple of weeks. We're gonna 492 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: be doing some unscripted shows from the Convention Center in 493 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: in Indy. Will be there for a handful of days 494 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: and uh talking everything and anything about prospects. And we're 495 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: going to get a chance to get press conferences with 496 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: Matt la Fleur, Bryan Goods, all sorts of news going 497 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: on in Indie. Who needs to be in the Bahamas, Mike, 498 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: when you can be in Indianapolis at the end of February, 499 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: that's what I want to know. All Right, there we go, 500 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: But that's when we will see you next. In the meantime, 501 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: you can follow him on Twitter at west Hot I'm 502 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks 503 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: for tuning in, everybody, and we will see you next time.