Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
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Speaker 1: episode fIF team just watch the fireworks. Oh, it was
Speaker 1: a lot of set up, but with some good stuff,
Speaker 1: like really good at building anticipation this episode. I just
Speaker 1: got so excited to realize it was the time Capsule, which,
Speaker 1: in the momentary joy of I know what episode this
Speaker 1: is then really turned out to shell over everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we ran for a hot second. We were so excited,
Speaker 1: and then we realized, like, oh right, A lot of
Speaker 1: terrible things were said. Y'all. The time capsule is mysteriously
Speaker 1: opened and revealed to the whole school. Causes a whole
Speaker 1: lot of drama. A lot of people's pain points get
Speaker 1: pushed on. Males and Lucas try to help out a
Speaker 1: friend who they've lost touch with in the past year.
Speaker 1: This is where we start to reconnect with Jimmy Edwards,
Speaker 1: Peyton and Ellie's benefit concert hits the stage with honestly
Speaker 1: iconic then iconic now I guest appearance by Jack's mannequin,
Speaker 1: and fallow Boy is back. Who yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a whole lot happening. Let's start with the time capsule
Speaker 1: because my my favorite part of all of that was
Speaker 1: Whitey going with the principal principal journal didn't look at
Speaker 1: the wall, and he's like looking at the plaque like
Speaker 1: everything's fine, nobody popping this out of the wall, and
Speaker 1: white he pulls a poster back and the pillars like
Speaker 1: made of paper. Yeah, the schools held up by paper machee. Actually,
Speaker 1: that was ridiculous. I don't know who in the art
Speaker 1: department thought that was going to be a great idea, Like, guys,
Speaker 1: we'll just punch a hole in it. It's paper. We'll
Speaker 1: just put a column right here and it'll look like
Speaker 1: a real column, but this one will be made of
Speaker 1: newspaper and glue. Also, um, you can't hollow out column.
Speaker 1: Like how many of these times capsules do they have?
Speaker 1: For every single Also and also and also and and
Speaker 1: also also end what about the fact that isn't a
Speaker 1: senior class project. How random is it that it's the
Speaker 1: what is the junior's were juniors class time capsule? Wouldn't
Speaker 1: that be a senior thing? That is okay? So that's
Speaker 1: something that has always bothered me about our show is
Speaker 1: that it's one grade. When I was growing up, starting
Speaker 1: in sixth grade, hung out with eighth graders because I
Speaker 1: was like looking to be cool. Yeah, and then when
Speaker 1: I got into high school, I was like, peace, bitches,
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out the upper classman. And then by the
Speaker 1: time we were upper classmen, I had a younger brother
Speaker 1: or who was a sophomore, and was like friends with
Speaker 1: all these younger kids. So the fact that our show
Speaker 1: is just like so insular is weird. There should have
Speaker 1: been seniors. There should have been people like kicking the
Speaker 1: Scott brothers asses because they're like, you think your varsity
Speaker 1: were varsity. It was all about the grades. There was
Speaker 1: something about who you were hanging out with, if they
Speaker 1: were younger, the same or older. There was a whole
Speaker 1: class system within the high school that You're right, we
Speaker 1: never addressed that that hierarchy. Yeah, I remember when I
Speaker 1: started doing theater how cool it was as a freshman
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I've got to go to Joeanne
Speaker 1: Fabrics with the juniors who have the driver's licenses to
Speaker 1: get more material for our costumes. Like, and it felt
Speaker 1: so cool. That's exactly it. Exactly you'd have to go
Speaker 1: to Michael's to get like more poster board and black paint. Girls,
Speaker 1: you gotta make friends with someone with a license. That's
Speaker 1: what she did. That's right, right. I've definitely journal about that, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I got a ride from like whoever.
Speaker 1: But we're but we're but we are seniors this year.
Speaker 1: You know, that gets confusing on our show because it's
Speaker 1: just all kind of mush. But we've come back for
Speaker 1: summer break. You threw that beach party. We're seniors and
Speaker 1: are we seniors now? I mean I guess because seasons
Speaker 1: one and two were junior year and seasons three and
Speaker 1: four we're senior year, and the way that they Yeah,
Speaker 1: and because basketball, you know, I don't know if it
Speaker 1: happens in faller spring, I should know it's a winter,
Speaker 1: probably spring, right winter. I don't know. March madness though, Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: that goes through playoffs. You're right, So it's it's fall
Speaker 1: semester that we played basketball. And that was also how
Speaker 1: they budgeted our show, because they'd have to rent gym's
Speaker 1: one year and then not rent them the next year,
Speaker 1: and it was how they kind of made up for
Speaker 1: the budgets. Yeah, yeah, it's so, but wait is second
Speaker 1: see that. That's another thing about our show that confuses
Speaker 1: me sometimes is that it takes place over the course
Speaker 1: of two years for our watching audience at home. But
Speaker 1: it never occurred to me that Lucas Scott dated Brooke
Speaker 1: Davis at the beginning of senior year and by the
Speaker 1: end of senior year is all like kissing up on
Speaker 1: Peyton and doing the graduation together. When we filmed it, it
Speaker 1: it was two separate years. But well, yeah, and that
Speaker 1: and and and it aired in two separate years. So
Speaker 1: that's really how they drew out so much drama for
Speaker 1: the audience. But it was also how they managed to
Speaker 1: avoid the college years with us, Like they wanted all
Speaker 1: of us to be able to drive from the beginning,
Speaker 1: so we had to have driver's licence as we had
Speaker 1: to be sixteen. So they knew they'd only have two
Speaker 1: years of high school and they figured they could get
Speaker 1: four years of production before graduation. If if every season
Speaker 1: was a semester. I love that. I'm doing air quotes
Speaker 1: to you guys, and no one at home can see me. Hey,
Speaker 1: does everything is drive? Does Haley ever drive Haley? I'm sure, yes,
Speaker 1: I know I've drink. I remember you driving in the show? Yet?
Speaker 1: Has Haley driven a car? I haven't seen it? I don't.
Speaker 1: Does Haley even have a car? We haven't seen Haley
Speaker 1: with a car? Does she and the chair one? You
Speaker 1: and Naven share that car? And remember? But then once
Speaker 1: up a game? Who gets the car? Girl? Are you
Speaker 1: drive you everywhere? I think? I think I'm like hiring
Speaker 1: Brooks Taxi? What do you know? That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I'm hiring Brooks Service. I like that they split it
Speaker 1: up because, you know why, it feels like that when
Speaker 1: you're in high school, it doesn't just feel like to
Speaker 1: us a year now, somebody says, you know, this is
Speaker 1: my one year goal, and like, good luck, you need
Speaker 1: five for that. You know, it's like five years is nothing.
Speaker 1: One year. Oh yeah, it's a reasonable, But god, when
Speaker 1: you're in high school, it's all so long. It takes forever.
Speaker 1: So I don't mind it I have read an article
Speaker 1: about that. It talks about why summer feels like you
Speaker 1: is so long when you're a kid. It's because if
Speaker 1: you've only been alive for ten years, like you know,
Speaker 1: that's a huge chunk of your life. But now a
Speaker 1: year is one my life, like big whoop. Back in
Speaker 1: high school it was one fractionally fractically, it's that you
Speaker 1: said that because I was about to be like, well,
Speaker 1: if you consider fractions, and then I'm like, yes, because
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Well, so here's here's the other
Speaker 1: thing about school is that you're kind of a narcissist
Speaker 1: all through your childhood and in your teenage years, you
Speaker 1: you know, big hero energy because it hasn't necessarily occurred
Speaker 1: to you that there are people outside of your bubble.
Speaker 1: And that's a skill set that's really important to learn
Speaker 1: as you evolve. But when you're a teenager, it's really
Speaker 1: easy just to kind of be the hero of your
Speaker 1: own story. So this idea that there are Jimmy Edwards
Speaker 1: out there, and there are people there who you're not
Speaker 1: even considering, and that you could be a bad guy
Speaker 1: in their narrative is something that's really important. Um, because
Speaker 1: you're the bad guy in somebody's story and and so
Speaker 1: it's about identifying, you know, where we can be better.
Speaker 1: I also think it's really interesting. Years ago I read
Speaker 1: and I kept it like I thought the issue was
Speaker 1: so powerful. Nat GEO did a whole magazine issue on
Speaker 1: the teenage brain, and one of the it was an
Speaker 1: article I read online that then prompted me to go
Speaker 1: and get the magazine that talked about how where you
Speaker 1: are in the actual development of your brain at sixteen,
Speaker 1: like as adults, even for us in our twenties looking
Speaker 1: back at high school, going god, why did it feel
Speaker 1: like that was the whole world? It is. Your brain
Speaker 1: understands your school and your community that is immediately around you.
Speaker 1: It can only process about that much space and that
Speaker 1: many humans as the world as adults, and especially now
Speaker 1: thanks to the way we're also digitally connected, we were
Speaker 1: more globally connected than ever. We have a bigger perspective
Speaker 1: than ever. But if you think about, especially pre social media,
Speaker 1: high school feels like it can break you because it's
Speaker 1: your whole universe. And when I think about all the
Speaker 1: dumb we did, specifically the three of us, not just
Speaker 1: all our friends at home who are probably nodding along
Speaker 1: when we were in our early twenties, Like, your brain
Speaker 1: is not done developing until you are twenty six years old.
Speaker 1: You're still a kid at twenty two. So when you
Speaker 1: think about how how much further from being fully developed
Speaker 1: you are at sixteen, it means that you know, as
Speaker 1: this issue posits that when when you have a big wound,
Speaker 1: or you're ostracized or left out or bullied, or or
Speaker 1: even you hurt someone and you feel like you could
Speaker 1: just die because you're so ashamed, it's it's so consequential.
Speaker 1: It's like your whole world is turning upside down. It's
Speaker 1: harder to it's harder to measure any kind of injury
Speaker 1: as the receiver or the perpetrator as a team because
Speaker 1: you don't really have fractionally anything to hold it up against.
Speaker 1: And it it really was illuminating for me about um
Speaker 1: the effects, Like we see all the data on the
Speaker 1: effects of bullying, we see all of the testimonials about
Speaker 1: what these young kids are going through, and and it
Speaker 1: really there was something about that science that helped me
Speaker 1: understand how it feels. Yeah, so I wonder about like
Speaker 1: a Jimmy Edwards and he that character feels like everybody
Speaker 1: hate him, and so he hates everybody and it's like
Speaker 1: global to him. Heartbreaking. Well, back then, we didn't have
Speaker 1: the tools for you to reach out to people in
Speaker 1: other communities. Like right now, Jimmy Edwards could go on Twitter,
Speaker 1: he could go on Instagram and be like, I'm into
Speaker 1: Marvel movies. Who else likes what I like? And and
Speaker 1: find community that way, And we didn't have those tools. Man,
Speaker 1: if you didn't go to camp, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like camp was how I met people that
Speaker 1: didn't go to my high school, and I felt special
Speaker 1: because I got to go to those things. But for
Speaker 1: the kid that you know, I just woke up and
Speaker 1: went to school and came home and didn't meet outside circles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it gets claustrophobic, especially if you've grown up in the
Speaker 1: same town your whole life. You're just like I've known
Speaker 1: you since you were eating your own boogers. You're awful,
Speaker 1: You've always been awful. I can't wait to get out
Speaker 1: of here. Yeah, And even with all that access that
Speaker 1: kids have now to be able to find a community
Speaker 1: that they get on with, there's still a lot of
Speaker 1: kids who are just suffering from issues at home. But
Speaker 1: you know, if somebody's being a bully, somebody's bullying them.
Speaker 1: And that's that's something my mom always taught me when
Speaker 1: I was little, um, and you know, it's I it
Speaker 1: was hard to watch that. It was hard to watch
Speaker 1: Jimmy Edwards acknowledging like, you guys just left me in
Speaker 1: the dust. And yeah, he's right. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: two way street. But also not everybody has the capability
Speaker 1: or the understanding to be able to reach out. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to start, you have to pick up the
Speaker 1: phone and make the first phone call. And you know,
Speaker 1: you just never quite know what's going on in somebody's
Speaker 1: in somebody's life home life is so different than what
Speaker 1: it is when we walk outside of our four walls. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also situation, I mean situationally here. It's not like
Speaker 1: Lucas and Mouth and the other guys went and they
Speaker 1: were hanging out with a parallel social group that was
Speaker 1: also like still kind of underdog. They started hanging out
Speaker 1: with all the popular villain kids, right, and it was
Speaker 1: all of them. You know, now Skills is kissing a
Speaker 1: cheerleader and you've got Lucas hooking up with multiple cheerleaders
Speaker 1: and Hayley married the captain of the basketball team. Like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? Well, And I think something that's
Speaker 1: really interesting to your point is it can be, even
Speaker 1: as adults, really easy to be entrenched in whatever your
Speaker 1: silo is and to make assumptions about everyone else. And
Speaker 1: we saw it with Lucas when he goes and checks
Speaker 1: in with Faith a couple episodes ago. She is like,
Speaker 1: Brooke Davis is just a you know, junior whatever the means, cheerleader,
Speaker 1: Meredith Maloney whatever, And Lucas is like, no, but she's not,
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you, she's not. She's different than we thought.
Speaker 1: I know this person's heart now, I know her motivations,
Speaker 1: and that's what I think is is always so powerful.
Speaker 1: You know, people talk about how you can other someone
Speaker 1: until you know someone like them. You know, they talked
Speaker 1: about even when we when we think about the way
Speaker 1: kids used to be siloed pre social media, like imagine
Speaker 1: you're the one gay kid in like small town, Ohio
Speaker 1: and you have no one to talk to. That's why
Speaker 1: everybody moved to New York when they turned eighteen. Literally,
Speaker 1: you know, people ran and it's you got these like
Speaker 1: cultural sort of bastions of art and theater and all
Speaker 1: these things because of the migration that resulted from people
Speaker 1: trying to escape being ostracized. And you know, when I
Speaker 1: you can feel real lonely in a big city too,
Speaker 1: though totally well, yeah, of course, but that's what I'm
Speaker 1: kind of getting at, is when there's no one around
Speaker 1: who knows you, it can be hard for you. But
Speaker 1: on the other end of that information again, and like,
Speaker 1: as we've pursued more equity and justice in our country,
Speaker 1: the data, you know, I love an article um years
Speaker 1: ago when we were doing the fight over marriage equality.
Speaker 1: There was a great article that talked about how the
Speaker 1: minute a person knows one gay person, whether it's a
Speaker 1: gay man or a woman who identifies as a lesbian
Speaker 1: or whatever, their opinions change about equality because you know someone,
Speaker 1: you know their family, you know their spouse, you love them,
Speaker 1: You want them to be able to be as happy
Speaker 1: and protected as you are. You know you as miserable
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, literally, remember that as a teenager hit
Speaker 1: me so hard when someone was like, everyone should be
Speaker 1: able to get married so they can all be as
Speaker 1: miserable as I am. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: genius and that's where the comedy cuts in. But it's like,
Speaker 1: if we could just get to know each other a
Speaker 1: little bit, yeah, it makes a huge difference. It makes
Speaker 1: a difference and the way we care about each other.
Speaker 1: And and I think that's what really makes it hard
Speaker 1: to watch this episode now, is you look at Jimmy
Speaker 1: and you go, oh God, all these people have managed
Speaker 1: to break a barrier and get to know each other.
Speaker 1: Like you've got Brooke Davis on a time capsule talking
Speaker 1: about how she is so sure she's going to be
Speaker 1: married to Marvin McFadden and he's gonna be senator. Look
Speaker 1: like it's a two way street of this sort of
Speaker 1: boundary breaking. And Jimmy's the one kid who didn't. He
Speaker 1: didn't cross the bridge. He didn't he didn't go with everyone,
Speaker 1: and he's so heartbroken. And and it's so common that
Speaker 1: you see young boys cover their heartbreak with rage because
Speaker 1: we don't we don't teach them that it's okay to
Speaker 1: feel any of their other feelings. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's something about watching this as an adult that like,
Speaker 1: it breaks me in a way that is deeper than
Speaker 1: it was when we did this, you know, in real
Speaker 1: time in two thousand six, Jolie, I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: you and I have older kids. You know, Gusta's school
Speaker 1: is in the high school, the high school in middle
Speaker 1: school are connected, and so I wanted to think that
Speaker 1: it was different now than it was when we were kids,
Speaker 1: and like everyone was using slurs and just like being
Speaker 1: really abrasive and hurtful with language. Like the nineties were
Speaker 1: a time. Yeah, we all said words that now we
Speaker 1: wouldn't dare utter, you know, and you go back and
Speaker 1: you see movies from that time and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like what was everyone saying? This is crazy talk?
Speaker 1: And having a kid that comes home and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, all that language is still alive, and well,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm a psycho mom. That's like calling
Speaker 1: other parents like did you hear this? You need to
Speaker 1: talk to you know. Um, yeah, I guess I thought
Speaker 1: it was different now because we've had so many like
Speaker 1: anti bullying Camp Haynes, and you know, I think human
Speaker 1: nature is human nature. I just think this is who
Speaker 1: we are as a species. And what you know, our
Speaker 1: job as parents is as we raise the next generation
Speaker 1: and then they raise the next generation, and you know
Speaker 1: is to start passing on more and more kindness, more
Speaker 1: and more civilized behavior. Um, you know, the more that
Speaker 1: we can pass that on, I don't think it's as
Speaker 1: much as it it's clearly not as much as it
Speaker 1: was in the nineties. I mean, I think if we
Speaker 1: just look around us in media, we can see that
Speaker 1: things have changed. But um, there is still bullying. There's
Speaker 1: still I mean, I know Maria has had her fair
Speaker 1: share of kids picking on her and people, you know,
Speaker 1: making fun of her about random thing. You know, kids
Speaker 1: will always find something to make fun of you about
Speaker 1: no matter what. They just want to feel better about
Speaker 1: themselves by putting somebody else down. So you just gotta
Speaker 1: keep I've always taught her the same thing my mom
Speaker 1: taught me and uh, which I just said before, and
Speaker 1: then just go find the kid who looks only if
Speaker 1: you feel left out, go find somebody else who looks
Speaker 1: left out and sit next to them and have lunch
Speaker 1: with them and be nice to them, because it's not
Speaker 1: all about you. And going back to what you were
Speaker 1: saying about everybody being a narcissist. When you're a kid
Speaker 1: and you're kind of like supposed to be coming out
Speaker 1: of that middle school high school, you start to be
Speaker 1: learning about other people. Um, which should seguate me into
Speaker 1: the brook using that amazing video into I mean the
Speaker 1: the horrifying video and turning it into something amazing with
Speaker 1: the turnal full aspect of how I love that. What
Speaker 1: our show did so well was always adding in charity
Speaker 1: to everything. I'm going to get there. But the first
Speaker 1: thing I want to say, crumbs over there, but I'm
Speaker 1: still going over here. Just post it and continue It's on, Michelle. UM,
Speaker 1: yeah is that? Yeah? We are, you know, young narcissists.
Speaker 1: You are supposed to be growing out of that as
Speaker 1: a kid, and that's what having those friendships are supposed
Speaker 1: to do with you. And that's what those opportunities with
Speaker 1: kids bullying you, It's supposed to be an opportunity for
Speaker 1: you to look at that person and with compassion and
Speaker 1: know that something bad is going on in their life
Speaker 1: to put them in the position where they need to
Speaker 1: put you down in order to feel better about themselves.
Speaker 1: So continually, you know, renewing your mind in understanding other people,
Speaker 1: putting yourself out there that it's not all about you.
Speaker 1: Sometimes somebody else needs you. In a day when you
Speaker 1: go to school, it's a boring day, but maybe there's
Speaker 1: one person who needs what you have to offer. So
Speaker 1: instead of looking around waiting for everybody to serve you
Speaker 1: and do something for you, what can you do to
Speaker 1: you know, ask, not what you can do, what you
Speaker 1: can do for you. That's right, um anyway, So but yes,
Speaker 1: I love that that Brooke took that terrifying moment and mortifying.
Speaker 1: I mean, so many people would have just crawled under
Speaker 1: a rock, and so many girls have been so hurt
Speaker 1: by things like that, just awfully hurt by things like that,
Speaker 1: and that she took the power back. Wow. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's dark. It's my child, That's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, Like it's it is, it's it's child porn,
Speaker 1: Like she's a sixteen year old girl. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not appropriate. I think that's where some of the lines blur,
Speaker 1: because we were in our twenties as actors, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's some sort of concessions made for those things. I
Speaker 1: to your point. I love that she turns it into
Speaker 1: a positive. I love that she's like, this super shy
Speaker 1: thing happened to me and we're going to do something
Speaker 1: great about it. I love that like that is that
Speaker 1: is so um indicative of Brooks spirit to me. And
Speaker 1: I also think, as you know, adult women looking back,
Speaker 1: we can be like, whoa, that was super inappropriate that
Speaker 1: a bunch of grown ups wrote that someone put a
Speaker 1: naked teenage girl on the internet. Okay, but by the way,
Speaker 1: like great story. One thing our show failed at is
Speaker 1: follow up because we do all these explosive things and
Speaker 1: we don't followed up. How great would it have been
Speaker 1: if Brooke Davis's dad suited the school system for his
Speaker 1: daughter being child well, by the way, because part of
Speaker 1: the disservice, I think is that we made it no
Speaker 1: big deal, so then when it happens to girls will
Speaker 1: go it's not a big deal. Come on, who cares? Hand,
Speaker 1: it does set this example that you you shouldn't feel
Speaker 1: so violated. It'll be fine, crack a joke. But what
Speaker 1: I will say for a little behind the scenes to obviously,
Speaker 1: we didn't trust the people who made our show in
Speaker 1: the editing room, and when we did the episode, you know,
Speaker 1: they put each of us in this little like sort
Speaker 1: of black box and we recorded our confessionals very like MTV,
Speaker 1: you know, real world style, and you know I do
Speaker 1: the script. I'm sitting there in this cute little blouse
Speaker 1: and then I take the blouse off on him in
Speaker 1: this bra, and they had to find a bra that
Speaker 1: hooked the front, and they were trying to sell me on, well,
Speaker 1: obviously we're going to cover it up, so like we
Speaker 1: want to shoot it so that you unhook your bra
Speaker 1: and flash and like you'll just have pasties over your
Speaker 1: boobs and obviously we'll we'll air brush it out. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys, I don't trust you, so
Speaker 1: we would you know, we drew out the Like I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there holding the front and being like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: and aliens, you might have eight eyes, which means and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I keep pretending to unhook it. And then
Speaker 1: when it was time to actually unhook it, you guys,
Speaker 1: I put on a grandma sized strapless bra. It was
Speaker 1: so big and ugly, and I was like, okay, hold on,
Speaker 1: and I just like put it on under the bra
Speaker 1: and then I was like, let's shoot it. And they
Speaker 1: all were like, well, we can't possibly work around this,
Speaker 1: and I was like, figure it out. And you can
Speaker 1: see the like top edges of the straplets really badly
Speaker 1: air brushed on the sides of the of the breast
Speaker 1: cancer thing that goes across my chest and I'm in
Speaker 1: my face is hot. I feel so minded hated by it.
Speaker 1: I love it so much because I know I've them
Speaker 1: up and I'm really proud that I made sure that
Speaker 1: some creepy person who shan'n't be named didn't get to
Speaker 1: look at my boobs, even with pasties over my nipples.
Speaker 1: Was like, it's not happening, guys. When I visited the
Speaker 1: writer's this it was either season three or season four,
Speaker 1: because I went with Daniel. There was like they were
Speaker 1: having a concert in the Writer's office in l A.
Speaker 1: And we were out there doing press for something. It
Speaker 1: was like Teen Choice Awards or something dumb um not dumb,
Speaker 1: something awesome. I just never won one, so fine be
Speaker 1: gauys are done. Always not one of my little triggers
Speaker 1: right there there it is God sometimes I was pop up.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we're like out in l A. I visited
Speaker 1: the writer's room one time in the entirety of my
Speaker 1: run on the show, and when I got there, there
Speaker 1: was a dark board with one actor's face on it,
Speaker 1: and then there were screen grab like print outs of
Speaker 1: other of us from like Daily's and like shots from
Speaker 1: the show in our underwear and stuff like that and
Speaker 1: what joy And I remember being like, what is that?
Speaker 1: And it's like polaroids from wardrobe fittings like that. And
Speaker 1: by the way, it was online so creepy, and you guys.
Speaker 1: It was not until I went to work on White
Speaker 1: Collar and I was in a van with all the
Speaker 1: writers and I was just kind of like right now,
Speaker 1: like we are right now, just kind of telling it
Speaker 1: with like oh my god, and you guys won't believe
Speaker 1: this and laughing about it that they like stopped me
Speaker 1: and they were like, honey, you're so young, and we
Speaker 1: have to interrupt you. This is dub And I was like,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about. They're like, we've never heard
Speaker 1: of anything like that before. That's insane. But yeah, if
Speaker 1: but Sophia, had you done that in the pasties, there
Speaker 1: would have been a screen grab of you in the
Speaker 1: pasties on somebody and they would have like drawn on
Speaker 1: the ads. But my bare chest would have been out
Speaker 1: for the world to see. And I knew not to
Speaker 1: trust them. And it's funny when you talk about our polaroids. Oh,
Speaker 1: it makes me so ay um not only because we
Speaker 1: had some some I'm not going to say fans are
Speaker 1: fans are dope. The people who got um past the
Speaker 1: line of being fans who had no boundaries, Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to call them other than inappropriate. But
Speaker 1: you know, there were some people who did those email
Speaker 1: hacks of Carol's yes and a lot of our fitting photos,
Speaker 1: including a lot of photos of things that were being
Speaker 1: emailed back and forth. Email got hacked. Sonogram photo was
Speaker 1: released when I was pregnant. I remember that, and they
Speaker 1: were Remember they were doing all that thing, emailing each
Speaker 1: of us as each other, but they were like weird
Speaker 1: Gmail accounts. I remember Lisa Goldstein one day coming into
Speaker 1: work being like, hey, I caught your email about those photos,
Speaker 1: but like I can't attach enough to the It keeps
Speaker 1: saying it can't send the file, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? We go on a second.
Speaker 1: This happened to me after I left the show, when
Speaker 1: I with us I got hacked. Was that all part
Speaker 1: of the same thing, all the same things? And I
Speaker 1: mean it was very disturbing, like like photos of like
Speaker 1: Austin's niece and nephew at bathtime got put on the internet.
Speaker 1: Like things that were so inappropriate, and a lot of
Speaker 1: our fitting photos, a lot of us in our underwear
Speaker 1: wound up online and there's one photo all of that
Speaker 1: made me enraged. I'm enraged thinking about it now. I
Speaker 1: feel like our characters with the time Capsule being released
Speaker 1: right now because I'm hearing this for the first time.
Speaker 1: Well and by the way, maybe because we made no
Speaker 1: big deal of the time Capsule, people thought that we
Speaker 1: wouldn't be upset about this or feel violated by this,
Speaker 1: even though it's deeply violating. And the one bright spot
Speaker 1: in this dark story is that there is a photo. Um,
Speaker 1: I had to do this hilariously stupid episode in like
Speaker 1: all these costumes Hilary after we left, and one was
Speaker 1: like a full like leader hose and thing and obviously
Speaker 1: being in it, like it's such a corset, and I
Speaker 1: swear to you this thing like pushed my tits up
Speaker 1: to my collar bones. And I took a photo for
Speaker 1: Carol like holding my booze making this face that was
Speaker 1: just like like you think this is great because I
Speaker 1: knew I knew who was going to see it back
Speaker 1: in l A. And I was just like, dud, I
Speaker 1: know what you're doing so many people have shared that
Speaker 1: photo and been like, this really seems out of character
Speaker 1: for Quencia. What is she's standing like this? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm trolling a pervert, trolling the pervert. No one
Speaker 1: was supposed to see it except the pervert being trolled,
Speaker 1: So now everyone is a pervert. But yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: guess long story longer is I just don't like other
Speaker 1: people having any non consensual images of any of us.
Speaker 1: I think it's gross. Well, if you create something like
Speaker 1: the time capsule, or like our photos or maybe our
Speaker 1: private emails, where you think it's going to be between
Speaker 1: you and one or two other people, it is real
Speaker 1: shitty when they get released into the wild. And when
Speaker 1: I left the show and started seeing Jeffrey, someone broke
Speaker 1: into my email and took a picture of him and
Speaker 1: I and released it. And then he got an email
Speaker 1: from someone that was like, she's leaking photos of the
Speaker 1: two of you because she's using you for attention or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was really hurt by it because we were
Speaker 1: new and I was really trying to convince himly no,
Speaker 1: I was hacked. So you guys have validated a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old wound all right, so deep dark. I the
Speaker 1: emails that started coming in, we're so insane, And then
Speaker 1: they started creating like, by the way, I don't have
Speaker 1: any version of my name with without my middle name,
Speaker 1: with without middle name numbers. Every version of my name
Speaker 1: at Gmail is taken, as is yours, as is Joyce
Speaker 1: and and quote unquote fans I will call them perpetrators. Um,
Speaker 1: we're would figure out how to get people's emails. I
Speaker 1: think once they were able to break into the writers
Speaker 1: or whatever, they got everybody's and so they would do
Speaker 1: this and it and it was really sad, like you know,
Speaker 1: to get pictures like you said, of the two of
Speaker 1: you as a new couple, of like me and my
Speaker 1: then partner on vacation with like kids who were like
Speaker 1: naked running around in the ocean, because those are sweet
Speaker 1: photos for your family to have, but not for strangers.
Speaker 1: Like there has to be a line, like joy when
Speaker 1: you reminded me of what happened when you were pregnant
Speaker 1: with Maria, it sends such a rage through me, like
Speaker 1: I can't calm down about it. It's so nobody's posing business.
Speaker 1: I remember coming to work. It was my first pregnant baby,
Speaker 1: new and exciting, and I was young and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just a really precious private time in my life,
Speaker 1: and you deserve to have that Briday sonogram, like people
Speaker 1: could see the inside of my belly. Like I just
Speaker 1: felt like such a violation it was. I'm sorry, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: But you know what, compared to some of the other
Speaker 1: things that people have had to deal with, that's really nothing.
Speaker 1: Well for a kid like Jimmy Edwards that doesn't have
Speaker 1: coping mechanisms and like he doesn't have a support group,
Speaker 1: you know, like you could come to people and be
Speaker 1: like this sucks to at least be together. Someone like
Speaker 1: Jimmy just has a target on his back now. And
Speaker 1: especially because what you do believe just as you sharing
Speaker 1: something like that with your family or you know, Hillary
Speaker 1: to your point about you're actually a kid who kept
Speaker 1: journals like I wish I had, and I think I
Speaker 1: never did because I was always so afraid someone was
Speaker 1: going to read them. And and this idea that the
Speaker 1: time capsule is supposed to be kind of like a journal,
Speaker 1: like it's going to be private the way that some
Speaker 1: people vented Nathan vented about Haley and then was mortified
Speaker 1: me is in such this dark place, feeling abandoned, and
Speaker 1: he thinks it's a secret. And to have your your
Speaker 1: secrecy and your privacy taken away from you, you know,
Speaker 1: in real life or on screen, is so harmful. And
Speaker 1: I mean you see him, like he gets attacked, he
Speaker 1: gets beat up. It's it's like if if that had
Speaker 1: not been released, you know, he had the chance in
Speaker 1: private to act like somebody he wanted to be, or
Speaker 1: be this guy he thought he was going to try,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was like he was putting on
Speaker 1: a personality for that video, and you could see it
Speaker 1: even when he was lightening up his cigarette. It was
Speaker 1: like he's trying to be somebody. He doesn't quite know
Speaker 1: who or where he is yet, but he's on his
Speaker 1: way and he's trying on all these things. And if
Speaker 1: you can do that within the space of privacy, um
Speaker 1: and control, that's fine. But to have that exposed, it's
Speaker 1: just such a deep, vulnerable cut. It's your identity, it's
Speaker 1: you're trying to you trying to figure out who you are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just so it's so awful, and he probably would
Speaker 1: have been fine. Yeah, that's the thing. I hung out
Speaker 1: with a lot of Jimmy Edwards in high school and
Speaker 1: I loved them. I like the dark. You know, they
Speaker 1: were angry, and I remember as a kid being like,
Speaker 1: you guys are crazy, you know. And then we'd go
Speaker 1: to poetry slams together and they would read their poetry
Speaker 1: and it was lovely. And now they either like work
Speaker 1: for the government or living on they're like our ends,
Speaker 1: you know, like they all have these like very adult,
Speaker 1: functional jobs and lovely lives and they've come out of it.
Speaker 1: But those moments of deep humiliation, I think are the
Speaker 1: situations that make or break up person because some people
Speaker 1: are able to crawl out of that and other people aren't. Humily,
Speaker 1: humiliation for teenage boys is is probably the least under
Speaker 1: stood emotion because anger we can figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: with sadness your girlfriend dumps you, Okay, we can figure
Speaker 1: that out. But humiliation there's something very specific about that
Speaker 1: that we don't necessarily talk about the coping mechanisms for boys.
Speaker 1: You know, Brooke Davis handled it right like this cute
Speaker 1: girl is like I'm going to turn it into a thing.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And I love that, But I will say
Speaker 1: women are told to handle it, you know, like and
Speaker 1: they're just like oh, get over it. You're being too sensitive.
Speaker 1: And what makes me sad for our boys is that
Speaker 1: essentially the only emotion we reward from boys is toughness,
Speaker 1: and toughness is expressed in anger. So we teach boys
Speaker 1: to channel all their feelings into anger to be respected.
Speaker 1: But anger and loneliness really go hand in hand, yes,
Speaker 1: and but it's so detrimental. And then you know, we
Speaker 1: look around as this society and like, you know, not,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm supposed to say trigger warning
Speaker 1: or or what the thing is to bring up prior
Speaker 1: to this, but I think that's so connected to why
Speaker 1: we look around and we go, well, gee, why is
Speaker 1: it that you know one and four girls has been assaulted,
Speaker 1: you know, sexually assaulted by the age of twenty two.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, because we we don't give boys
Speaker 1: anyway to be in the world except angry. And what
Speaker 1: is the expression of anger. It's violence, Like and I
Speaker 1: know that is a bit of an oversimplification to many
Speaker 1: societal issues we have. But what I what I find
Speaker 1: myself so drawn toward as an adult is healthy expressions
Speaker 1: of emotion, where we give every person, whether it's a
Speaker 1: group of us as women, or or our male friends,
Speaker 1: or anyone the opportunity to experience the sliding scale of
Speaker 1: their emotions from what we have societally deemed as traditionally
Speaker 1: masculine to traditionally feminine, and to be like, where do
Speaker 1: you find your sensitivity? Where do you find your empathy?
Speaker 1: Where do you find your art? What? What is it
Speaker 1: that makes you angry? What does that fuel? Rather than
Speaker 1: where's a healthy place to express it? Because each of
Speaker 1: those things, I don't I don't think that anger is
Speaker 1: meant to just be suppressed and pushed down. It's a great,
Speaker 1: important emotion. It informs you of so much. It's just
Speaker 1: what you're doing with your anger that makes the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're right, a lot of people don't have a
Speaker 1: space to put it, and they don't know where to
Speaker 1: put it. Have you ever met boys that watched our show.
Speaker 1: I'm still baffled when I meet grown men that are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched your whole show. I watched the whole series,
Speaker 1: and I used to cry all the time that it's
Speaker 1: so I mean, I don't know if it makes me
Speaker 1: feel like a dinosaur that I'm like, oh boy, watched
Speaker 1: our show gender norms. Um but I think they liked it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, go ahead. My husband loves
Speaker 1: a show that will let him cry, yeah, and my
Speaker 1: son loves to cry. Like. I think there were a
Speaker 1: lot of boys whose sisters watched the show or girlfriends
Speaker 1: in college, and so they kind of had the uh excuse,
Speaker 1: like the social excuse. Oh yeah, well my girlfriend watched it,
Speaker 1: but basically really loved I loved even when our show
Speaker 1: when it was on, and you know, boys are age
Speaker 1: would be like yeah, you know. I always would remember
Speaker 1: like the night at the bar where the guy would
Speaker 1: be like, my girlfriend loves your show, like, and three
Speaker 1: hours later he's three drinks deep and he's like and
Speaker 1: then when Brooke Davis founded she couldn't get pregnant, man,
Speaker 1: that really sucked me up. And they're like crying at
Speaker 1: the bar and I'm like, this is great. I love this. This.
Speaker 1: There was like a foreign military I can't remember what
Speaker 1: country it was, but I remember getting all these letters
Speaker 1: from some like foeign military where they're like, we're all
Speaker 1: watching this show on bass and like their English was
Speaker 1: very broken, but they were like, but we are very
Speaker 1: invested in these in these little stories. It's like, well
Speaker 1: that was one of the coolest things, popping around on
Speaker 1: like different USO tours, like all over bases in Turkey
Speaker 1: and Germany. Um, and you know, even the stuff we
Speaker 1: did with the us SO guys closer to home in
Speaker 1: Wilmington's like we were one of the I don't know
Speaker 1: eight shows on the Armed Forces Network and really, oh
Speaker 1: you guys, we were on a f N forever. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we still are, but I loved when
Speaker 1: we get those you know, once once we all got
Speaker 1: on Twitter and stuff. You know, we get videos like
Speaker 1: from guys on base like making up songs on their
Speaker 1: guitars about our show, and I was like, I really
Speaker 1: think this is great. Cute joyce a minute moral of
Speaker 1: the stories. We like boys who are in touch with
Speaker 1: their emotions. Yeah, we like we like healthy men. You know,
Speaker 1: Lucas and Nathan in this episode, uh could have gotten
Speaker 1: into a fight about the dan of it all because
Speaker 1: we kick off the episode with Lucas you know, talking
Speaker 1: down Yeah, and instead they get into this hallacious fight
Speaker 1: as teammates to you know, break up this attack on
Speaker 1: Jimmy Edwards. That fight was bananas. That was who are
Speaker 1: those grown ass men who they brought it like those
Speaker 1: were like thirty year old dudes. That was insane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, those were supposed to be the seniors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are high school boys. Get out of here. How
Speaker 1: big is this school? I've never seen those kids before.
Speaker 1: And Rachel's got her pepper spray. I loved that. Danielle
Speaker 1: coming in with the peppers. Thought it was hair spray,
Speaker 1: you did, Yeah, I totally thought she grabbed it off
Speaker 1: the countertop in the back. It was like, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, if you've ever shot pepper spray, you know,
Speaker 1: it comes out of this really nasty like stream and
Speaker 1: it's gross. They were definitely using like a water like
Speaker 1: like an aviance. They painted a heavy on black. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also what I learned the hard way. I remember first
Speaker 1: getting pepper spray and being like, well, I gotta know,
Speaker 1: like how far does it go when I need to
Speaker 1: use it? No one warns you that, like, yes, it
Speaker 1: shoots forward, but it also creates a cloud. It definitely
Speaker 1: choked you too lightly. I went, I was like burning
Speaker 1: all over and just like hacking, coughing. I was like, cool, cool, Okay,
Speaker 1: when did you have to use pepper spray just for fun?
Speaker 1: I just I when I first got like my first
Speaker 1: pepper spray. I was like, I'm going to shoot this
Speaker 1: out into the distance, like, yeah, I wanted to test it.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know what I was outside with
Speaker 1: the wind too. I just was like outside, I y'all,
Speaker 1: I did not. It did not end well for me.
Speaker 1: Chet the wind before you check your pepper sprayers. My
Speaker 1: sister's My sister has two boys, and one of them
Speaker 1: sprayed the other week face with bear spray bears. It was, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. It was a whole thing. I mean, my
Speaker 1: daughters standing here, She's got her mouth wide open. No way, yeah,
Speaker 1: Nathan Spratt, Dylan, Yeah, so we the pepper spray only
Speaker 1: hit the wrestlers in our scene, but didn't get Nathan,
Speaker 1: didn't get Jimmy. Get Jimmy. It's because it was heavy
Speaker 1: on my god, because whoever decided to punch the hole
Speaker 1: in the column paper wall is also the person that
Speaker 1: created the basic container exactly. I mean, I like Rachel's
Speaker 1: interactions in this episode because they are very on brand,
Speaker 1: and I like that she searches Jimmy out. But there's
Speaker 1: also kind of a lesson in that where you know,
Speaker 1: if we're all trying to act too cool and cavalier.
Speaker 1: What Rachel saying is like, you know, it wasn't for you. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't here to protect you. Had she
Speaker 1: just let him think ink that yeah, yeah, he could
Speaker 1: have gone home and like, you know, not freaked out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wondered why, And part of me thought when she
Speaker 1: said that, I thought, Okay, what's the mask they're giving her.
Speaker 1: Why doesn't she want to admit that she doesn't like
Speaker 1: to see people get hurt and what's the purpose of
Speaker 1: her saying this to him? And then obviously we think
Speaker 1: about how far he's meant to be pushed for the
Speaker 1: next episode. So but it definitely did stick out to
Speaker 1: me a little bit. And maybe it's just because I
Speaker 1: know Danielle is like the most caring depends, so I'm like, oh, Ryant,
Speaker 1: she's too nice. Um, But yeah, it was so flippant
Speaker 1: and like honest, and then she goes and gives that
Speaker 1: cutting It wasn't honest, no, but she said it sorry,
Speaker 1: you're right, not honest, very frank like she spoke to
Speaker 1: him very frankly girl. Yeah, And I was like, but why,
Speaker 1: especially then when she goes and says what she says
Speaker 1: to mouth, like she really had a chip her shoulder.
Speaker 1: It's very like John Hughes, like going back with Gus
Speaker 1: and watching Breakfast Club. No, it does not hold up
Speaker 1: the twelve year old audiences like these people are disgusting, right,
Speaker 1: And I thought for sure he was gonna love Judd
Speaker 1: apatat or not jut apta Judd. I really thought he
Speaker 1: would think, like, oh, that guy's cool. And Gus was repulsed,
Speaker 1: which I hadn't seen the movie and you know, fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty years, so I'd forgotten it is repulsive. And Rachel
Speaker 1: is kind of behaving like that. She's behaving like this
Speaker 1: kind of cartoony nineteen eighties. I'm going to say, like
Speaker 1: the cool thing to say, and the lesson is that
Speaker 1: when you think you're being cool, you could be incredibly damaging.
Speaker 1: She's being really damaging here with out knowing it well.
Speaker 1: It was in the context of that speech with mouth,
Speaker 1: it felt like she was It felt she was trying
Speaker 1: to put him in his place or keep him in
Speaker 1: his place or something, which that just is what felt
Speaker 1: strange about it, Like because she on the heels of
Speaker 1: that goes right to mouth and she's like, listen, he's
Speaker 1: either going to sink or swim, and it's not up
Speaker 1: to you to save him. You know, you guys all
Speaker 1: graduated to hang out with the popular crowd. The elite girls.
Speaker 1: Heard elite girls, but you know, someone doesn't jackets with
Speaker 1: elite girls on it, Pink ladies. You know what. I
Speaker 1: like what you're saying, their joy And it's interesting because
Speaker 1: it jogs my sense memory of scenes that Daniel and
Speaker 1: I have later when Brooke finds out that Rachel used
Speaker 1: to be, you know, for categorizing these kids, Rachel used
Speaker 1: to be kind of a Jimmy Edwards. And she, you know,
Speaker 1: by the way, we all have issues with the storyline,
Speaker 1: we'll get to when we get to it. But she,
Speaker 1: you know, for better or worse, transformed herself to be,
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote her name, an elite girl. And
Speaker 1: in a way, what I realized now, only because I
Speaker 1: have the experience of having done the material with her,
Speaker 1: is that she's beginning to foreshadow that she was willing
Speaker 1: to cut out her whole life. Yeah that's great. You
Speaker 1: know that she's like, suck it up, this is what
Speaker 1: it is, and you've got to do the work. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, whoa what is that there's darkness
Speaker 1: there and it feels strange, and I I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: that's what this was meant to be, like a foreshadowing
Speaker 1: of learning that Rachel Gettina wasn't always you know, the
Speaker 1: girl we've met in Tree Hill. It came off as
Speaker 1: jealous to me, like that she was being territorial of Mouth.
Speaker 1: Because if Nathan and Hailey are at this club night
Speaker 1: together and Brooke and hate her being super cute, and
Speaker 1: Lucas and Mouth are having this night with their old buddy,
Speaker 1: nobody's talking to Rachel, you know, and she's just like
Speaker 1: Pete all over Mouth's leg in the last couple episodes.
Speaker 1: So it just it's weird when you see jealousy out
Speaker 1: of someone that you wouldn't expect, where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you had the whole world by the tale,
Speaker 1: Why are you being a weirdo? It is also what
Speaker 1: you were saying so about her feeling like I did
Speaker 1: the work. That's also very human nature, right like when
Speaker 1: if we feel like we've done the work, we've been
Speaker 1: able to fight through whatever we had to fight through
Speaker 1: in order to get to point from point A to
Speaker 1: point B. So if I could do it, You can
Speaker 1: do it, and there's no reason you can't. And that
Speaker 1: also creates a divide. It creates discompassionate, It creates loneliness,
Speaker 1: It creates anger and jealousy and frustration because there's always
Speaker 1: going to be another level that you're trying to get
Speaker 1: to and you're having difficulty, but somebody else has reached
Speaker 1: that level and they're looking at you saying you should
Speaker 1: be able to do it. So there's a constant bad
Speaker 1: cycle that comes from that kind of mindset. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the things you have capability,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's the tools or the capabilities I
Speaker 1: suppose to do as an adult is to say, oh wow,
Speaker 1: I can see what's going on with you, and I
Speaker 1: can also see my reaction to it, yeah, and see
Speaker 1: what what triggers me or where my expectations lie. And
Speaker 1: at sixteen or seventeen years old, like, you can't do that, No,
Speaker 1: you can't understand. Everybody goes at their own pace. No,
Speaker 1: somebody pushes your buttons then and you're just like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And there's no parents to pick us up? Right,
Speaker 1: drives home, We'll be like this happened, this happened. This happened,
Speaker 1: and somebody's parents would be like, well, you guys, there's
Speaker 1: no parent driving home on our show. It would be
Speaker 1: Karen and Keith. But you know they're all busy getting
Speaker 1: all engaged. The kissing being cute. Yeah, you were so
Speaker 1: cute in that scene, Sophia jumping up and down and
Speaker 1: squirling and like wrapping them up in your arms. Can
Speaker 1: I make your wedding dress. I'm sixteen years old, please please, please,
Speaker 1: please please. I remember that. I remember how fun that was.
Speaker 1: I like, I have a visceral like sense memory right
Speaker 1: of hugging you and Moira, just like yeah, and it was, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so fun. I just remember that whole episode being
Speaker 1: so fun and even for you and I like you
Speaker 1: hosting and us being off to the side of the
Speaker 1: Trick stage all night. I remember that. I remember, dude,
Speaker 1: we had a little water bottle full of vodka and
Speaker 1: we like like it was a real club night hanging
Speaker 1: out on the side of the stage. It wasn't real.
Speaker 1: Sun Kissed, oh Man kissed wherever you are. Thank you
Speaker 1: for paying our bills, thank you for funding our show.
Speaker 1: And stunt Kiss traveled all the bands out because that
Speaker 1: was expensive. Also, Jack's mannequin speaking of the band still hits. Yes,
Speaker 1: you remember how excited we were the Dark Blue song
Speaker 1: and get It Forever Forever. It's such a good album. Cool,
Speaker 1: and it was so important to have an artist there
Speaker 1: that backed up with the with the you know, charity
Speaker 1: work of the show was all of the cancer research
Speaker 1: that we were fictionally and also realistically trying to support. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really liked hanging out with those guys and it
Speaker 1: we were like in a bubble. So I was still
Speaker 1: really nervous that we had these school kids coming to visit. Yeah, same,
Speaker 1: because we weren't you know, we weren't working in La
Speaker 1: or New York work where every weekend you go to
Speaker 1: a show where you meet somebody from this or that. Like,
Speaker 1: it was just us. It was the nine of us
Speaker 1: and our crew and like the college kids in town.
Speaker 1: And so when a band that we loved would come
Speaker 1: to visit, like, it's probably still I don't know how
Speaker 1: to be cool and rooms full of people, I like,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, wow, you may get this, and everyone's
Speaker 1: like please, like stop, you have to stop. But I
Speaker 1: just remember we were so geeked and and truly like
Speaker 1: for me. You know. This was also around us stage
Speaker 1: where I was beginning to work for nonprofits and really
Speaker 1: find my voice, like my early voice as an advocate.
Speaker 1: You know. I started working on my first political campaigns
Speaker 1: in oh seven. This was Andrew. Andrew was such an
Speaker 1: inspiration to me. I was like, whoa, You've used your
Speaker 1: art and like who you are as a human to
Speaker 1: advocate for this thing that's important to you? Like you're
Speaker 1: allowed to do that. Everybody tells me I was supposed
Speaker 1: to keep my mouth shout about politics and about causes,
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean just stand there and take
Speaker 1: your kid, Yeah, just stand there and look cute and
Speaker 1: write a check to your charity. I was like no,
Speaker 1: and he really, he really kind of was an early
Speaker 1: inspiration for a different way, uh to advocate to me.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's funny. I haven't thought about that in
Speaker 1: a really long time, but it's kind of all it's
Speaker 1: all coming back to me now. We need to hang
Speaker 1: out with that dude again, coming bag. Those days were
Speaker 1: long long because it was all I mean, how many
Speaker 1: bands there were three three songs, three bands and you
Speaker 1: have to shoot it from twenty seven my song Jack's
Speaker 1: Mannekin and Fallout Boy, and you so Okay, so three songs.
Speaker 1: Your song was so good, Joy, it's a good song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the number one requested song from you in this
Speaker 1: with your long hair. I like all of it too.
Speaker 1: I love you guys for saying that. I was saying
Speaker 1: while we were watching it. It's so cringe e to me.
Speaker 1: It's like watching a musical theater kid try and do
Speaker 1: rock and roll but it's just cringe e and not working. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't wrong, but whatever, I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 1: It's like I also loved I loved you, like putting
Speaker 1: that little gravel in your voice. And I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it gave me. It just gave me vibes. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Something itself is great. It's more just the whole the
Speaker 1: stage performance. It's like I hadn't quite figured out how
Speaker 1: to I didn't have like a stage presence. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what I wanted to put out there. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not like they got you like a choreographer, Joy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody was crafting anything. It would like just go stand
Speaker 1: up there and like, you know, move around. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: this could be so much cooler, but here Here's the
Speaker 1: thing that probably affected me most in this episode is
Speaker 1: the speech that Haley gives Nathan where she says, I
Speaker 1: am afraid to love it again, and I'm afraid for
Speaker 1: you to see me love it because I have felt
Speaker 1: that in my life where it's like I gotta tamp
Speaker 1: down my excitement because I don't want to threaten anybody.
Speaker 1: And it's such a specifically female saying. If you're an
Speaker 1: ambitious female, to feel like you have to our normal
Speaker 1: gender roles are like, oh no, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: the caretaker. I will handle the homestead if you will
Speaker 1: um this idea that Haley is vocalizing, I'm afraid for
Speaker 1: you to see me love it is. Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 1: You did such a good job with that. Thank you.
Speaker 1: It is And and they really have gotten so good
Speaker 1: at this point in writing for you and James, They've
Speaker 1: they've dialed in Nathan and Haley in a way you
Speaker 1: guys get to volley. The dialogue is really good. It's
Speaker 1: really connected, it's well thought out. You get to play
Speaker 1: inside of it because it's good. You're not trying to
Speaker 1: force the material to make sense. It does. And so
Speaker 1: when you get vulnerable with him in that way and
Speaker 1: all of us goes oof. We felt that when he
Speaker 1: then comes back and says, I'm scared, I'm scared to
Speaker 1: be vulnerable with you, and you realize that these two
Speaker 1: people are they're going through the same experience. They're just
Speaker 1: each on a different end, you know, of a distance
Speaker 1: looking at each other across it. It was so it
Speaker 1: was just so nice. I thought they did a beautiful
Speaker 1: job giving you guys the the space cross scenes to
Speaker 1: really make that conversation so impactful. Yeah. I like that
Speaker 1: they took the time to really bring them back together
Speaker 1: and draw that out. It's fun. I haven't seen that
Speaker 1: a lot in TV. I guess where a couple gets
Speaker 1: together almost right a but then they they actually have
Speaker 1: to spend the majority of the time trying to find
Speaker 1: their way back to each other. After it's like a
Speaker 1: fast to get together and then a fast fallow part
Speaker 1: and then you know, the long stretch of time to
Speaker 1: find their way back to each other, which is how
Speaker 1: it happens sometimes. I think that's really interesting. What was
Speaker 1: that show Divorce? What was that show The Girlfriend's Guide
Speaker 1: to Divorce? She hooke up with ther ex husband on
Speaker 1: that show, which is so much more taboo than hooking
Speaker 1: up with like a new guy, you know, the idea
Speaker 1: that Nathan is your husband but also like your ex
Speaker 1: because you guys didn't kind of break up a little bit. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked. I'm glad that they brought back the two
Speaker 1: little boys, the Dan, the young Dan and Keith, because
Speaker 1: when it first showed up a couple episodes ago, it
Speaker 1: felt so strange. It was like, why are we doing
Speaker 1: a flashback with these two kids? And I see now
Speaker 1: that they're trying to thread a device for the next
Speaker 1: little while. Um, So I don't know. I'm just glad
Speaker 1: that they tied it in with something that wasn't just
Speaker 1: totally random. I used to see that happen. Um. But
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of build up there with
Speaker 1: Dan and Keith. Interesting too, to see how they brought
Speaker 1: in the storyline that Dan was the one that got
Speaker 1: bullied pretty consistently as a kid, and Keith came to
Speaker 1: his rescue, and Dan grew up to be a bully.
Speaker 1: And while you're watching this man, you know, who's forty
Speaker 1: or however old, he has deal with what happened to
Speaker 1: him as a kid. You see a teenager dealing with
Speaker 1: the ways he has felt bullied or ostracized, and it's
Speaker 1: it's an interesting device they're using to kind of show
Speaker 1: you the ways that, um, what we go through as kids,
Speaker 1: you know, to your point earlier, the humiliation um, whether
Speaker 1: it's real or perceived, by the way how it affects us,
Speaker 1: because you know, Lucas and Mouth make that great point
Speaker 1: to Jimmy, like, dude, we're sorry, but you didn't call
Speaker 1: us either. You know, you kind of dropped off too.
Speaker 1: And it's it's that question that we ask, you know,
Speaker 1: how much of a responsibility do kids have to like
Speaker 1: pull others with them, and how much of a responsibility
Speaker 1: do kids have to figure out how to overcome their obstacles?
Speaker 1: You know who whose whose responsibility is it? And it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see all of these ways that it can
Speaker 1: turn out represented by these characters. Well, moral of a
Speaker 1: story is, if you are in high school and middle school, UM,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you should be listening to our podcast
Speaker 1: because it's kind of round sometimes, but you are episode yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and you're sitting in such a lovely velvet tone. Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. There are a lot of bombs dropped in
Speaker 1: the particular episode at your own risk. But if you are,
Speaker 1: you know, and you see somebody who's sitting alone at
Speaker 1: lunch or they seem like an outcast, go be a
Speaker 1: friend to them. Let you know, let go of whatever
Speaker 1: your social priority is for the day and just make
Speaker 1: an effort on occasion or you know, as often as
Speaker 1: feels natural to you to go and be friends someone
Speaker 1: who looks like they need it. And if you're grown
Speaker 1: up like us and you have children, um teach that
Speaker 1: to your children. And if you don't have children then
Speaker 1: and even if you do have children, you should be
Speaker 1: doing it yourself and leading by example to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you have kids, you're off the hook. Kids. You
Speaker 1: got to ask specific questions. That's that's don't ask them
Speaker 1: if they're fine, be like, what's going on with Susie,
Speaker 1: what's going on with Todd? What's going over? So you
Speaker 1: gotta be specific at pickup, drive your kids, everywhere and
Speaker 1: be specific as possible. All right, what we got, we
Speaker 1: got questions. I like it when people are specific with me.
Speaker 1: By the way, just as a little asterisk on that specificity,
Speaker 1: you love. It is a love language, you know. It's
Speaker 1: also a love language for us when you all send
Speaker 1: us cute questions. We like them. I don't know how
Speaker 1: I feel about this question. What is it? Say? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's from Sasha. She says, was the Peyton and Pete
Speaker 1: went storyline? Your idea, Hillary, And if it wasn't, were
Speaker 1: you majorly surprised? It became a thing you guys. Okay, Look,
Speaker 1: if we were going to be able to request what
Speaker 1: singers we were going to get to make out with
Speaker 1: on our show, we would have had way more power.
Speaker 1: You also would have requested like Pad Benatar. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: be clear, to be clear. Um yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I I like Pete. He's a sweet dude. Um he Yeah.
Speaker 1: At the time, he was with a buddy of mine.
Speaker 1: I had worked at MTV with Ashley Simpson and was
Speaker 1: obsessed with her. She's so fun, She's like the nicest girl.
Speaker 1: I really liked hanging out with her, and so when
Speaker 1: they were like, Oh, her boyfriend's gonna come on and
Speaker 1: you're gonna kiss him. To be perfectly honest, I was
Speaker 1: weird about it because I was like, is she coming?
Speaker 1: Like I probably would have been more comfortable kissing her. So, Um, No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't my idea, but we had a good time.
Speaker 1: And Pete was very respectful, you know, like the last
Speaker 1: time we talked about Pete and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this storyline is inappropriate. When the news outlets pick up
Speaker 1: our stories from the podcast and then just aheadline, I'm like, guys,
Speaker 1: you gotta give context. Um, you weren't saying he was inappropriate,
Speaker 1: Like we never said that. It's so annoying, like Pete
Speaker 1: an adult kissing a high schooler. Yeah, not so great
Speaker 1: right now, that storyline. Um, But Pete Wentz was a
Speaker 1: doll and so respectful, never crossed a line. Um, good dude,
Speaker 1: you know who. I loved seeing Pete bond with Jojo. Yes,
Speaker 1: she washed his hair. She washed his hair for him
Speaker 1: one day and he was just like in that bowl
Speaker 1: getting his head massage, and I was like, this cute
Speaker 1: whatever this is in the corner, like I can't. It
Speaker 1: was precious ant well, because she always hung out with
Speaker 1: bands in Atlanta when she was in her twenties and
Speaker 1: bar attending and so she just right and so she
Speaker 1: just get right down into into bar talk and like
Speaker 1: band talk. And he was like, oh, okay, ask him
Speaker 1: about amps, and yeah, alright, Lenny wants to know there
Speaker 1: are so many iconic love quotes in O t H.
Speaker 1: If you were writing wet Ean vows, what would be
Speaker 1: a quote that you would use? No pressure. This isn't
Speaker 1: an iconic love quote, but I do really love the
Speaker 1: quote at the end of this episode from Whitey saying
Speaker 1: that the journey is the destination. Um. That seems very
Speaker 1: applicable to a wedding vowel. Yeah, that makes because that's
Speaker 1: a whole life. You know, you're you're embarking on a journey.
Speaker 1: You don't want to get to the end of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is it cryptic if I say that quote from Ellie
Speaker 1: Every song ends? But is that anything? What a twisted
Speaker 1: thing to say. Can you imagine being at a wedding
Speaker 1: if someone used that, you would be like like a toast.
Speaker 1: That's the drunk cousin toast. Every song ends. There's no
Speaker 1: reason not to take this journey. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: hope I hope someone uses that. God bless you guys,
Speaker 1: these are going to I will say it was. I
Speaker 1: will always be nostalgic about the fact that, like when
Speaker 1: we were prepping our whole ceremony and working with our officiant, like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a reality that your your story is
Speaker 1: being told, and I was just like, I'm pretty excited
Speaker 1: I get to talk about my friends in our story.
Speaker 1: So like when when Lorie was giving our overviews about
Speaker 1: like Grant's life in my life, and like the mention
Speaker 1: of y'all came up. I'll never forget, like standing at
Speaker 1: the altar but then looking over my shoulder and we
Speaker 1: just did our little thing, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is this is fist pumped at your wedding ceremony and
Speaker 1: you were like like joy And I put in in
Speaker 1: season eight when we did the Brook and Julian wedding,
Speaker 1: like you and I at the speech did this little
Speaker 1: like that thing that everyone's like scripted, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that was just me enjoy. And so I turned back
Speaker 1: at you guys, and we were all just pointing at
Speaker 1: each other like, oh my god, it's real, it's real.
Speaker 1: We totally sat on the wrong side by the way
Speaker 1: we were supposed to. I always thought it was the
Speaker 1: opposite side. So we walked down the island. We were like, wait, no,
Speaker 1: I think we have to go on the right. We
Speaker 1: should sit on the right. And we sat on the
Speaker 1: right and then your face, your back was to us.
Speaker 1: I was like, doesn't. I was looking at the dress.
Speaker 1: I love you so much. I was looking at that
Speaker 1: I was on the right side. That son's always so
Speaker 1: funny to me. And we realized it when we got
Speaker 1: up there, like we put our parents on opposite sides,
Speaker 1: because I was like, his parents should be able to
Speaker 1: see his face. My parents should be able to see
Speaker 1: my face. But we didn't think about like for the
Speaker 1: hubbub that it was of like how are we gonna
Speaker 1: get Grandma Ethel in her seat? And how will my
Speaker 1: mom know where to go? And then like we're up
Speaker 1: there and luckily, you know, his best friends would become
Speaker 1: my best friends. But I'm standing there doing my vows,
Speaker 1: just looking at his whole bridal party and realizing that
Speaker 1: all of my bridal parties staring at my back. You
Speaker 1: guys were staring at my back. I was like, we
Speaker 1: didn't plan enough of this. I was it was perfect.
Speaker 1: I loved it. You know what I liked seeing I
Speaker 1: liked being able to look at his face and see
Speaker 1: how and love he was with that. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's what the friends are there for, really, is to
Speaker 1: make sure this guy is going to do what he's
Speaker 1: supposed to do. As your husband and you could tell
Speaker 1: every inch of it in his face. He's I do
Speaker 1: that too, Like I remember, you know, even at your
Speaker 1: wedding hill. Like the minute I saw you, I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to look in Jeffrey's eyes right now. Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like holding George and like he was like
Speaker 1: handling children. He was. It was so sweet because he
Speaker 1: was he was like holding a baby and like weeping,
Speaker 1: and I was like, weeping exactly, That's exactly what should
Speaker 1: be happening right now. Boys, boys, cuties. I love them. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks everybody, we're here, and uh, get you on your way.
Speaker 1: What do we got today? Most likely to go Hillary,
Speaker 1: what's it gonna be? Most likely to completely lose it
Speaker 1: on a roller coaster? That's so weird. I realized Yesterday
Speaker 1: has never been on a roller coaster, and I was
Speaker 1: showing him videos of Bush Gardens Williamsburg because that was
Speaker 1: the theme park we went to growing up, and he
Speaker 1: was like, Mom, I have to go on these roller coasters.
Speaker 1: So I feel like in the next month or two,
Speaker 1: we're about to make some poor choices. So it's gus
Speaker 1: in real life. Then, Yeah, he's so pumped, but he's
Speaker 1: not gonna lose it. He's pretty, he's pretty even Stephen
Speaker 1: um okay, who would lose it? Who's a hysterical person?
Speaker 1: Who would lose it? I would like, I don't know
Speaker 1: about lose it. But the person who's like no, no,
Speaker 1: no commentary I would like to hear on a roller
Speaker 1: coaster is Antoine. Antoine because the best part about Antoine
Speaker 1: is that he talks a very big game and then
Speaker 1: it's just like, hold up, well, we don't actually want
Speaker 1: to do this, right? He would he would like get
Speaker 1: us to go to bars with him and be like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna stay out till four in the morning, and
Speaker 1: then at like twelve thirty he'd be like, so we're good, right,
Speaker 1: Like we did it. I think it's Antoine. I think
Speaker 1: it's skills in the show, and it's Antoine real life.
Speaker 1: You know what I will say as a follow up
Speaker 1: to this that I love if y'all have not gone
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole of the videos of people passing
Speaker 1: out on roller coasters, do yourself a favor. Jenny like
Speaker 1: sent me down some TikTok rabbit hole of this, and
Speaker 1: like people who get launched in those things and they're
Speaker 1: screaming and then they faint and they come to and
Speaker 1: they're screaming and then they faint like it is the funniest.
Speaker 1: If you are having a bad day, just look up
Speaker 1: people fainting on roller coasters. It's chefs kiss. This is
Speaker 1: how everyone can spend the rest of their week until
Speaker 1: our next episode drops. We got you great, You've just
Speaker 1: given me something to Maria to do next time she's poored. Yeah,
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