Speaker 1: Also media welcome to it could happen here show about
Speaker 1: things falling apart. The thing falling apart this week is
Speaker 1: me after watching nine hours of Clinton testimony the past
Speaker 1: two days. It can relate. I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined
Speaker 1: by Sophie Lechtervid to discuss guys. Hey, Sophie, Hey.
Speaker 2: To discuss the Clinton testimony.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I can relate after you know
Speaker 3: you fortunately missed that Clinton speech at the DNC in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, that was a really really, really really long
Speaker 2: hour of my life.
Speaker 1: That's a long speech for a guy that age too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we were together during Hillary's speech.
Speaker 1: We did catch that while we're in the pit.
Speaker 2: I think that's when I got COVID. I got the
Speaker 2: Clinton COVID. Hillary got COVID too at the DNC, so
Speaker 2: I think she gave it to me.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: That's when we were up close and personal with the
Speaker 2: Clintons last. Now they're back.
Speaker 1: They've never been more back, They've never been more I
Speaker 1: completely agree. If you don't want to hear the voices,
Speaker 1: I've tried to limit it, but there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: the voices of Hillary and or Bill Clinton. This is
Speaker 1: your chance if you want to hear me talk about
Speaker 1: Hillary being asked about everything from spies to aliens and quanon.
Speaker 1: It's again, this is your sign to continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm excited. Let's do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get started, because there's probably more more to
Speaker 1: cover than what we'll be able to so. On February
Speaker 1: twenty sixth and twenty seventh, Hillary and Bill Clinton respectively
Speaker 1: testified and closed door hearings about their relationship with Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein and Galaine Maxwell. The Clinton's referst to penay to
Speaker 1: testify in this bipartisan House Oversight Committee investigation into the
Speaker 1: DOJ's handling of the Epstein investigation back in August of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. For months, they pushed back against having
Speaker 1: to testify, arguing the process was politically motivated, that the
Speaker 1: subpoenas were quote unquote invalid and legally unenforceable, and that
Speaker 1: any relevant information they had could be delivered via assigned statement.
Speaker 1: In January twenty twenty six, Chairman James Comer advanced two
Speaker 1: resolutions recommending the Clintons be held in contempt of Congress
Speaker 1: for refusing to comply days before a vote to hold
Speaker 1: them in contempt. The Clintons finally agreed to testify in February.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be fair, they did let other people give
Speaker 2: little shitty statements.
Speaker 1: They so did. That is something that Hillary specifically brought
Speaker 1: up during her deposition more than once. Yes, So let's
Speaker 1: start with Hillary's because that was the first one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In her opening statement, she said she had no knowledge
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein's criminal activities, did not ever recall encountering
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein whatsoever, never flown on the plane or visited
Speaker 1: his Island homes or offices. Gleayne Maxwell dated a family
Speaker 1: friend around twenty ten he named Ted Waite, who was
Speaker 1: a software developer. Waite brought Glaine to Hillary's Daughters of
Speaker 1: Chelsea's wedding as a plus one guest in twenty ten,
Speaker 1: and Hillary says she was unaware of any criminal activity
Speaker 1: relating to Glene Maxwell, specifically before her crimes republicly revealed
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Hillary was asked to recount the
Speaker 1: origin of the Clintown Foundation, which Hillary only joined the
Speaker 1: board of in twenty thirteen because she was busy serving
Speaker 1: in office. Hillary was asked about Glene Maxwell leading a
Speaker 1: breakout session on ocean conservation at a Clinton Global Initiative
Speaker 1: conference in twenty thirteen. Hillary said that she was not
Speaker 1: involved in the selection process for those sessions, but that
Speaker 1: Glen Maxwell had been an internationally recognized ocean advocate around
Speaker 1: that time. Hillary refused to answer a question about whether
Speaker 1: her husband is a quote unquote smart guy.
Speaker 2: Which was who asked that question?
Speaker 1: I forget, but I had that note written down some
Speaker 1: of these things I was watching pretty pretty late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what a great question. Hey, Hill babe, is
Speaker 2: your husband a smart guy? Wow? Glad our tax dollars
Speaker 2: are funding such an important question.
Speaker 1: She said that her husband had a limited relationship with
Speaker 1: Epstein for a limited time. Yes, used his airplane for
Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation trips, and this connection began and ended before
Speaker 1: any of Epstein's crimes were publicly revealed. Representative Pat Fallen
Speaker 1: with the Republican Majority talked about how Jeffy Epstein visited
Speaker 1: the White House seventeen times under the Clint Did administration.
Speaker 1: This is mostly for White House Historical Association events and
Speaker 1: donated money to the White House Historical Association, but said
Speaker 1: that Epstein never visited under Trump or donated money to Trump.
Speaker 1: This could in fact, just be simply because the Trump admin.
Speaker 1: You know, Trump came into office after Trump's relationship with
Speaker 1: Epstein fell through and Epstein was convicted of sex crimes. Correct.
Speaker 1: Trump got into office at twenty sixteen. Clinton was in
Speaker 1: office in the early nineties. Yeah, that's why Epstein was
Speaker 1: able to visit the White House for these public events
Speaker 1: as a regular citizen, but did not do so when
Speaker 1: Trump was president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, prior to Epstein's first conviction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand and eight. Yeah. Pat Fown also tried
Speaker 1: to characterize a twenty thousand dollars donation to a joint
Speaker 1: campaign fund in the nineties as a donation to Hillary's
Speaker 1: presidential campaign fund. Many years later, he was called on
Speaker 1: this being obviously incorrect.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, that's so dumb.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of stuff like that, So a
Speaker 1: lot of small errors. Some of them may not have
Speaker 1: been arrows right, some of them may have been ways
Speaker 1: to make the transcript read a certain way if Hillary
Speaker 1: or the lawyers weren't able to catch something. But both
Speaker 1: Hillary and her team, but really mostly Hillary was really
Speaker 1: on it for this entire hearing, like very sharp.
Speaker 2: This was peak Hillary. I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: people you know, for a lot of the like analysis
Speaker 2: online I saw, you know, a take over and over
Speaker 2: again that that was like, why wasn't she like this
Speaker 2: when she ran for president? She was?
Speaker 1: This is this is Hillary she was, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's impressive, but also a little bit unlikable. For if
Speaker 1: you do that, if you do that like all the time, right.
Speaker 2: If you're like that all the time, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit Oh, okay, I'm going to take a step back.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, but you know, yeah, we'll have we'll
Speaker 1: have more on her sort of like intellectual sharpness later.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's fiercely intelligent. Yeah, fiercely intelligent.
Speaker 1: And that is that is that is on display for
Speaker 1: the entirety of this deposition.
Speaker 2: But I really hated the take where people were like,
Speaker 2: if she was like this when she ran for president,
Speaker 2: maybe we wouldn't be dealing with Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, that's not what happened. No, this is
Speaker 2: who Hillary's been her entire adult life. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Hillary said that she never slicted funds for Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 1: ever had funds listed on her behalf, and never invited
Speaker 1: Epstein to any political fundraisers when asked about her own
Speaker 1: speculation on her husband, previous investigators, or the mind state
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein and Glen Maxwell. She could not answer,
Speaker 1: because that is speculation on other people's opinions or mind states.
Speaker 1: About an hour in Nancy Mace asked Hillary Clinton if
Speaker 1: she believes the Epstein files are quote unquote a vast
Speaker 1: right wing conspiracy.
Speaker 5: I think if they are fully released, as the Transparency
Speaker 5: Act requires, that would be fulfilling the responsibility of the
Speaker 5: Justice Department. But it appears that there have been many
Speaker 5: issues with the full release, so I'm not going to
Speaker 5: characterize it other than to say I think that's a
Speaker 5: well known fact.
Speaker 1: It is certainly an odd question to ask if the
Speaker 1: files themselves are a vast right wing conspiracy, and Hillary
Speaker 1: here just answered by talking about the issues that have
Speaker 1: come up with the full release of the Epstein files.
Speaker 1: After this, Hillary has asked about whether Jeffrey Epstein was
Speaker 1: one of the most prolific sex traffickers in the world
Speaker 1: and how the State Department worked to counter international sex trafficking.
Speaker 7: Would you say he's one of the world's most prolific
Speaker 7: sex traffickers.
Speaker 5: I don't know what to compare it. To there are
Speaker 5: terrible sex trafficking rings all over the.
Speaker 7: World, and you were he said. You were Secretary of
Speaker 7: State from two thousand and nine to twenty thirteen, and
Speaker 7: you state your agency prioritized combating sex trafficking internationally.
Speaker 5: Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 7: During your time as Secretary of State, did you or
Speaker 7: the State receive any intelligence cables or briefings mentioning Epstein's
Speaker 7: foreign travel, pedophile island, or his network of pedophiles and
Speaker 7: sex traffick not that I am aware of.
Speaker 4: No, how did you miss it?
Speaker 7: If he's I believe, one of the most prolific sex
Speaker 7: traffickers in the world, you were Secretary of State, how
Speaker 7: did you miss it?
Speaker 5: Well, that would have been a matter of the Justice Department,
Speaker 5: not the State Department.
Speaker 7: But in your opening statement and your statements earlier, in
Speaker 7: your opening statement, you stated that Secretary of Rubio should
Speaker 7: be called to testify. You said that he has and
Speaker 7: the administration has quote abandoned survivors using the same logic.
Speaker 7: You were Secretary of State during a time period after
Speaker 7: Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of being a pedophile and soliciting
Speaker 7: children for sex. Why then, did you quote using your
Speaker 7: own logic abandoned survivors.
Speaker 4: Uh, what is the question?
Speaker 8: Please?
Speaker 5: I followed her comment. First of all, we focused on
Speaker 5: whether there were laws that made sex trafficking, sexual slavery,
Speaker 5: domestic violence, other abuses of women on the books in countries.
Speaker 5: And then we tried to evaluate were those laws being
Speaker 5: implemented and were judges appropriately trained and briefed about how
Speaker 5: to implement those laws, were governments taking them seriously? We
Speaker 5: looked at the broad institutional approach to these very serious abuses.
Speaker 1: This is an interesting exchange to me. Yeah, so Mace
Speaker 1: here doesn't really understand the role of the Justice Department
Speaker 1: versus the State Department. Yes, for the Justice Department investigates
Speaker 1: crimes committed in the United States, versus the State Department
Speaker 1: is this entity that pressures other countries to create or
Speaker 1: you know, improve sex trafficking laws and doesn't really understand
Speaker 1: this difference right, and refers to a part in Hillary's
Speaker 1: opening statement about how Rubio's shrunk specific office to combat
Speaker 1: international sex trafficking, and she isn't quite able to like
Speaker 1: to understand how Hillary is critiquing that, while also saying
Speaker 1: that the Justice Department mishandled the Epstein investigation while she
Speaker 1: was Secretary of State. It's this interesting just break and
Speaker 1: not really understanding how the government works. And this clip
Speaker 1: also shows like how sharp Hillary is being able to
Speaker 1: follow this line of questioning better than her own lawyers
Speaker 1: in some instances be able to actually like respond to
Speaker 1: what Mace is really asking.
Speaker 2: Notice that as well.
Speaker 1: Mace then continues to ask about how the US government
Speaker 1: handled Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal case, and this is how
Speaker 1: Clinton responded.
Speaker 7: Would you say the US government at that time, during
Speaker 7: this time period was appropriate with the way that it
Speaker 7: handled Epstein.
Speaker 5: I don't think that you could say that was true
Speaker 5: about any of the government's prosecutorial efforts, starting with the
Speaker 5: Southern District of Florida and alex Acosta and all those
Speaker 5: who basically gave him a sweetheart deal. And then I
Speaker 5: think going up the chain there was very little attention
Speaker 5: paid that should have been paid. But what we had
Speaker 5: laws on the books, they were not being implemented. But
Speaker 5: that was not within my purview because what we were
Speaker 5: looking at is what's the institutional structure and can we
Speaker 5: do more to make sure countries take it seriously. Our
Speaker 5: country had laws on the books, So this man was
Speaker 5: not held to account you, It was not in your
Speaker 5: purview when you were Secretary of State. Then why is
Speaker 5: it today in Secretary of Rubios? Because what's happened is
Speaker 5: that the office that was actually following what was going
Speaker 5: on around the world has been decimated. Seventy percent of
Speaker 5: the staff is gone. It's impossible to carry out the
Speaker 5: functions of that office if you don't have a critical
Speaker 5: number of people. So my question would be to Secretary Rubio,
Speaker 5: is there more that can be done out of time here?
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, Nancy Mace, you suck, You suck.
Speaker 1: Pretty clear articulation there from Secretary Clinton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I fear that like that, Nancy Mace spent most
Speaker 2: of this time trying to set Hillary up, and I
Speaker 2: don't think she I don't think she succeeded.
Speaker 1: No. Hillary was then asked if she was quote unquote
Speaker 1: concerned when she saw photos of her husband getting a
Speaker 1: back massage or in a pot tub and what went
Speaker 1: through her mind. Hillary refused to speculate on events in
Speaker 1: which she has no context for and was not there.
Speaker 1: We're going to go on a quick ad break now
Speaker 1: and then return to continue the discussion on the Clinton testimony.
Speaker 1: All right, we're back. I want to get a little
Speaker 1: bit into the background of this hearing some more so.
Speaker 1: When the Clintons finally agreed to testify in February, one
Speaker 1: of the things they pushed for was that the testimony
Speaker 1: take the form of public hearings broadcast live. Hillary addressed
Speaker 1: German comra online saying, quote, you love to talk about transparency.
Speaker 1: There's nothing more transparent than a public hearing camera onquote.
Speaker 1: There was a brief back and forth negotiation on what
Speaker 1: the depositions would be open to the public. Ultimately they
Speaker 1: were not, but they were recorded on camera and transcribed
Speaker 1: for later release. Part of the terms for this private
Speaker 1: hearing this deposition was that press and photographers were not
Speaker 1: allowed inside the room, and that deposition materials would only
Speaker 1: be released in full through official channels after sensitive information
Speaker 1: like staffer names, president of the deposition and off the
Speaker 1: record exchanges between lawyers were properly removed or redacted. At
Speaker 1: about an hour and twenty minutes into Hillary's deposition, the
Speaker 1: Clinton staff learned that one of the Republican committee members
Speaker 1: leaked a photo of Hillary to right wing influencer Benny
Speaker 1: Johnson Crazy, who posted the picture and wrote quote breaking
Speaker 1: the first image of Hillary Clinton testifying under oath but
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein to the Republican Oversight Committee. This is the
Speaker 1: first time Hillary has had to answer real questions about Epstein.
Speaker 1: Clinton does not look happy. Photo provided by Representative Lauren Bobert.
Speaker 2: Honestly, there's actually nobody more unprofessional than Lauren Bobert.
Speaker 1: Will get into her unprofessional conduct later in this hearing
Speaker 1: as well. Great, but here's a clip of the Clinton
Speaker 1: team realizing that a photo has been leaked.
Speaker 9: I have another photos that are being released of the
Speaker 9: secretary as she is testifying from inside this room. Can
Speaker 9: you please advise me as to whether or not that's
Speaker 9: permissible and consistent with the rules, particularly given that we
Speaker 9: have asked for public hearing. If there are photos that
Speaker 9: are being released of the secretary she is testifying, can
Speaker 9: you please explain how.
Speaker 5: Much I've done with this. If you guys are doing that,
Speaker 5: I am done. You can hold me a contempt from
Speaker 5: now till the cows come home. This is just typical behavior.
Speaker 5: Oh for heaven, I would like.
Speaker 9: To understand how that's permissible hearing.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: We all are abiding by the rules.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I would like to take a break at
Speaker 5: this movie I'd like to have done for now.
Speaker 1: Fair threw up the record. Pretty shocking stuff.
Speaker 2: There's no defense for that. That's that's wild, and uh
Speaker 2: I would walk out as well.
Speaker 1: When they went back on the record, Chairman Comer discussed
Speaker 1: how he advised all members that no photos of the
Speaker 1: deposition were to be released and that an instant like
Speaker 1: this would not happen again. Lauren Barber later told reporters
Speaker 1: that she took the picture before a testimony actually began
Speaker 1: and that she checked with committee staff about using the photo.
Speaker 1: No follow up on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that chance, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: After returning from off the record, the minority, the Democrats
Speaker 1: asked about the Justice Department illegally withholding certain files related
Speaker 1: to the investigation from public disclosure. Hillary says that this
Speaker 1: behavior by the Justice Department deserves the most thoroughn destigation
Speaker 1: that Congress could carry out. This will be a longer clap,
Speaker 1: about two minutes, but there's some good information inside.
Speaker 5: I think from the very beginning, the behavior of the
Speaker 5: Attorney General and her staff has demonstrated either a gross incompetence,
Speaker 5: which is bothersome because they are the keepers of information
Speaker 5: that should be evaluated for law enforcement purposes or a
Speaker 5: clear cover up because they are protecting the president and others.
Speaker 5: Either one of those should be the focus of this
Speaker 5: committee to try to get to the bottom. If they
Speaker 5: are incompetent and they are incapable of complying with the
Speaker 5: law that the Congress passed, we need to know that
Speaker 5: because they are falling down on the job. They have
Speaker 5: an FBI director is more interested in drinking beer in
Speaker 5: a hockey dressing room after our team won the Olympics
Speaker 5: rather than being responsive and complying with the law as
Speaker 5: it has been promulgated. So I don't think it's unfair
Speaker 5: to say that given the sequencing of the event, starting
Speaker 5: with the way that President Trump made the release of
Speaker 5: the files a key element of his twenty twenty four campaign,
Speaker 5: the promise that he and then his Attorney General made
Speaker 5: that the files would be released, then a walking back
Speaker 5: of that as they began to look at the files,
Speaker 5: an ignoring of what they had promised, including that they
Speaker 5: had a client list on the desk of the Attorney General.
Speaker 5: Reasonable people would have to assume they are engaged in
Speaker 5: a massive cover up, which is infuriating as an American
Speaker 5: as a citizen, all of us should be, regardless of party,
Speaker 5: wondering what are they hiding?
Speaker 2: The thing says I watched sports more than calling it
Speaker 2: a hockey dressing room dressing room, I was like Hillary
Speaker 2: up with the times.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: Hillary goes on to mention how the prosecutor the original
Speaker 1: Epstein case, alex Acosta, was not asked any questions by
Speaker 1: Republicans during his Epstein deposition. About half an hour later,
Speaker 1: Hillary and the Majority go into about a three minute
Speaker 1: exchange thing. This is between Hillary and Nancy Mace about
Speaker 1: Howard Lutnick, Trump's Commerce secretary, who's frequently named in the files,
Speaker 1: whom Hillary knew from being a New York senator during
Speaker 1: the nine to eleven attacks, where Lutnik lost the highest
Speaker 1: of employees out of anyone that day, like over six hundred.
Speaker 1: So Hillary was asked how she knows Lutnik. Hillary tries
Speaker 1: to respond by saying how they met, which was the
Speaker 1: aftermath of nine to eleven. Mace claims that this is
Speaker 1: like a distraction from answering the question and that Hillary's
Speaker 1: trying to garner sympathy. Things get very heated over over
Speaker 1: the course of these like three minutes, as they like
Speaker 1: argue about, you know, if she's actually answering the question.
Speaker 1: Mace talks about being a survivor herself, and now she's
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, get the truth out of these hearings.
Speaker 1: Hillary responds by talking about how she's been very sympathetic
Speaker 1: to Mace's situation and respects the work that she's doing
Speaker 1: in the Epstein hearings, but is trying to answer the
Speaker 1: question specifically about Lutnik. It's a pretty loud and contentious
Speaker 1: three minutes. About two minutes after that, Republicans made Hillary
Speaker 1: read emails from the Epstein files.
Speaker 5: Thank you for a fun night. Your littlest girl was
Speaker 5: a little naughty.
Speaker 1: How does that make you feel?
Speaker 5: Makes me sick?
Speaker 11: If you can also read the EFTA zers zero eight
Speaker 11: seven eight four two one. This is also another email.
Speaker 12: Can you just please provide the context.
Speaker 11: It's an email to Jeffrey Epstein, if you could just
Speaker 11: read the context of what it is.
Speaker 5: Of course, the O H Jesus, ohio Jesus, I'm coming trick.
Speaker 12: And just the main body of the context of the email.
Speaker 5: Said that she felt God's presence next her when she
Speaker 5: was in bed. She knows that Jesus watches over her
Speaker 5: and he helped save her life.
Speaker 8: Whoops.
Speaker 1: How does that make you feel?
Speaker 5: It's bizarre. I don't know what it means.
Speaker 13: The reason I asked you to read both of these
Speaker 13: is because these emails are both sent by co conspirators
Speaker 13: that were then given the plea deals and now have
Speaker 13: been given victim status.
Speaker 4: Both of these.
Speaker 11: Women were also named an FBI document, and they're on
Speaker 11: a number of other emails.
Speaker 2: What does that have to do with Hillary?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the exact thing that I wrote down. This
Speaker 1: has no relevance to Clinton at all. This, this doesn't
Speaker 1: relate to her.
Speaker 2: They wanted soundbites of her reading weird things.
Speaker 1: It's a humiliation ritual, right, It's yeah, there's no reason
Speaker 1: for them to do this that the majority just go
Speaker 1: on to ask Hillary if the DOJ should reevaluate the
Speaker 1: plea deals of these two people, something that Hillary has
Speaker 1: no expertise for. Like, that's what she's here to testify
Speaker 1: on her own knowledge relating to Epstein and Maxwell. This
Speaker 1: is this is a complete non sequitor. This doesn't relate
Speaker 1: to her in any way. It's just grosse. You're just
Speaker 1: you're just getting a woman to read the Epstein files
Speaker 1: for your own entertainment. Yes, it's disgusting. Yes, I have
Speaker 1: a few clips here. This is what three clips about
Speaker 1: her intellectual kind of ruthlessness and the ways that the
Speaker 1: question in this committee, we're trying to get certain asses
Speaker 1: out of her, and she was able to either correct
Speaker 1: them or navigate in an interesting way. I'll start with
Speaker 1: this first one at three and a half hours in gosh,
Speaker 1: you watched a lot.
Speaker 6: In twenty fourteen, Epstein met with William Burns, who was
Speaker 6: then a senior State Department official and later a CIA director.
Speaker 9: Excuse me, could you say what year that was?
Speaker 8: Again?
Speaker 6: In twenty fourteen.
Speaker 9: In twenty fourteen he met with William Burns.
Speaker 6: Epstein met with William Burns as as a Secretary of
Speaker 6: State at that time.
Speaker 4: Were you aware of that meeting?
Speaker 5: I wasn't secretary of State in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 6: Okay, were you aware of them?
Speaker 4: I was Master Burns.
Speaker 1: Okay, embarrassing stuff. Yeah, she was not secretary of state
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. She served from twenty nine to two
Speaker 1: US and thirteen. Asking a question about if she was
Speaker 1: informed of something, well, secretary of State in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: she simply was not there. She was not secretary of State.
Speaker 1: The people in this committee should know this. They should
Speaker 1: know when she actually served as Secretary of State. It's
Speaker 1: embarrassing they continued to get like dates wrong throughout this
Speaker 1: hearing that this guy who's asking this question is his representative,
Speaker 1: Eric Berlinson. He also mischaracterized Chelsea's wedding as Hillary's wedding,
Speaker 1: saying that Glen Maxwell attended Hillary's wedding and that Glene
Speaker 1: Maxwell vacationed with Chelsea after the wedding. This event that
Speaker 1: he's referencing, this vacation was actually a year before the wedding,
Speaker 1: and who has a nine Hillary and her lawyers had
Speaker 1: to correct all of that stuff. Specifically, Eric Berlinson did
Speaker 1: not seem to know what he was talking about at
Speaker 1: all in this hearing. Just constantly got little dates and
Speaker 1: facts wrong.
Speaker 2: That gives me pause for a number of reasons. But
Speaker 2: it just makes me think about, you know, if they
Speaker 2: were actually talking to somebody that they needed to deeply press, yeah,
Speaker 2: that they would not get the results needed. It gives
Speaker 2: me a major pause that they have lack of confidence
Speaker 2: in this committee to do their job. But it's it's
Speaker 2: just frankly embarrassing that these are elected officials and they
Speaker 2: can't even get their dates right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an extremely serious matter, and these are
Speaker 1: the people doing oversight.
Speaker 2: This is not a laughing matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are totally incompetent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Lauren Barber then asked a very leading question about when
Speaker 1: Hillary learned her husband was spending time with a registered
Speaker 1: sex offender.
Speaker 14: Miss Clinton, when did you first learn that your husband
Speaker 14: was spending time extensively with a registered sex offender?
Speaker 5: He did not after he was convicted, years after Bill stopped.
Speaker 14: Having any Were there any activities that raised any red
Speaker 14: flags to think that he could be charged of sex
Speaker 14: crimes during the time, are you asking?
Speaker 5: Clinton has awareness yes, of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 14: Of any red flags being brought to your awareness, to
Speaker 14: your family's awareness while your husband was spending time with
Speaker 14: Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 5: I have no recollection of anyone bringing any red flags
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 1: They continued to ask about her husband, and she just
Speaker 1: had to She just had to keep reiterating it, like
Speaker 1: the committee will have a chance to question her husband tomorrow,
Speaker 1: like they could ask him about his relationship with it
Speaker 1: Epstein tomorrow. There's no use in her speculating about her
Speaker 1: husband's relationship. They can just ask him, literally in less
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours. But they just kept they just
Speaker 1: kept going.
Speaker 2: Classic.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 1: One of the more bizarre moments they quoted Epstein referring
Speaker 1: to Hillary being prettier in person. And this exchange is
Speaker 1: interesting because of the way it suggests the committee's interpretation
Speaker 1: of certain statements made by Epstein when I think they
Speaker 1: probably infer something to the opposite.
Speaker 2: It's bizarre, just like weird misogyny going on.
Speaker 14: So regarding the Epstein files, there are many files where
Speaker 14: Jeffrey Epstein seems to speak as though he does know
Speaker 14: you personally. In one file ft A zero zero six
Speaker 14: five seven one one five, mister Epstein is commenting and
Speaker 14: he quotes, Hey, Hillary Clinton is much prettier in person.
Speaker 14: This was Tuesday, September twentieth, twenty eleven. And then another.
Speaker 5: Congresson I'm not going to object to that keeps me.
Speaker 4: Commiss can we see the documents because we don't think
Speaker 4: that we would get that present.
Speaker 7: They don't think the documents not that you're not pretty.
Speaker 14: Jeffrey Epstein is also commented that meetings with Hillary are
Speaker 14: not easily discreet. Has he ever connected someone to meet
Speaker 14: with you, not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 11: Okay, this is my first time seeing that clip.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. First of all, very funny. Second of all,
Speaker 2: this is not what this is supposed to be. Why
Speaker 2: are you bringing that up? What does that have to
Speaker 2: do with anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're trying to establish some sort of
Speaker 1: relationship between Hillary and Epstein.
Speaker 2: Purely, but it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: And to me, these exchanges just inferred that, you know,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein had seen Hillary in person before, likely at
Speaker 1: these White House Historical Association events where she sees you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds of people who like walk by, right. But then
Speaker 1: Epstein himself like expressed that it's actually difficult to get
Speaker 1: a private meeting with her. So this, this doesn't prove
Speaker 1: that they had any actual, like personal knowledge of each other,
Speaker 1: like mutually. Obviously Epstein knew who she was. She was
Speaker 1: the first Lady of the United States.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: About ten minutes later, and this is getting to the
Speaker 1: end of this hearing about, like, you know, four hours in,
Speaker 1: Hillary just kind of goes off a little bit after
Speaker 1: just being asked the same question again and again and again,
Speaker 1: and then also demonstrates like how much she actually knows
Speaker 1: about this committee's investigation.
Speaker 4: You have said that you have never been to mister
Speaker 4: Epstein's island. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: You know what, I am so tired of answering that question.
Speaker 5: If you have one sentilla of evidence to the contrary,
Speaker 5: put it forward. I have never been on his island period.
Speaker 5: I've never been in his homes, his offices, his anything.
Speaker 5: So I don't know how many times you have to
Speaker 5: say the same thing over and over and over again.
Speaker 5: And I just am struggling with the relevance of all
Speaker 5: of this. But no, I never have been.
Speaker 4: And based off that response, I would include, you've never
Speaker 4: been to mister Epstein's Manhattan town home. I have not
Speaker 4: his New Mexico ranch.
Speaker 13: No.
Speaker 4: I have not his Palm Beach residence.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 4: I have not his Paris apartment.
Speaker 5: Didn't know he had one.
Speaker 4: I haven't been there.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 5: I also find it very interesting because I went back
Speaker 5: and looked at the transcripts of all of your other depositions,
Speaker 5: and none of the Republicans asked a single question to
Speaker 5: any witness about Jeffrey Epstein, or any question that would
Speaker 5: help provide answers for his victims.
Speaker 1: Hillary goes on to say that Republican Chairman Comer did
Speaker 1: ask Attorney General bar not about Epstein, but if he
Speaker 1: was aware of clinton involvement in the twenty sixteen Russia
Speaker 1: collusion investigation. Again in a deposition about the DOJ's handling
Speaker 1: of the Epstein files. Completely relevant, completely relevant to the
Speaker 1: matter at hand. And if these people want to pretend
Speaker 1: that they actually take, you know, what happened to these
Speaker 1: victims seriously, then they would have a focused effort on
Speaker 1: the actual subject. All these wild partisan threads. And I'm
Speaker 1: now gonna discuss before before we before we go and
Speaker 1: break again about how this hearing kind of threwout it.
Speaker 1: But I've condensed this down into one section, turned towards
Speaker 1: the weird multiple times in ways that are sometimes you know, relevant,
Speaker 1: but oftentimes not. Earlier in this hearing, Hillary stated that
Speaker 1: she had never been briefed on whether Jeffrey Epstein had
Speaker 1: foreign intelligence ties while serving in office, but that speculation
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein could have been a foreign intel asset
Speaker 1: is a quote unquote fruitful area of investigation. Although she
Speaker 1: was not made aware of any connection of this sort
Speaker 1: wild Secretary of State, she was also asked about a
Speaker 1: passport belonging to Epstein which bore a different name.
Speaker 11: This is actually a passport that was given. The individual's
Speaker 11: name is Marcus Robert Fortinelli. Do you think that this
Speaker 11: is a sign or a telltale sign of intelligence operations
Speaker 11: and pseudonymes.
Speaker 5: I can't speculate, I don't, okay.
Speaker 11: Victims have stated to this committee, both Democrats and Republicans,
Speaker 11: that during Epstein's time, during his daycamp DALs what I'll
Speaker 11: call it, that he was also an active communication with
Speaker 11: Bush's CIA director. They also had stated that he had
Speaker 11: active ties to Russia, Israel, and I Ron. Given your
Speaker 11: status not just as the first Lady, but also in
Speaker 11: your secretary position, have you ever been targeted by any
Speaker 11: of these countries as a means of a foreign intelligence
Speaker 11: gathering operation? I you were potential vulnerabilities.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I was targeted by Russia in the twenty
Speaker 5: sixteen campaign.
Speaker 8: I mean I think that's pretty well known.
Speaker 9: What about Israel Aribran?
Speaker 5: I don't know about either Israel or Iran?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 12: Do you believe that Epstein was running potentially a honeypop
Speaker 12: operation with intelligence gathering operations to collect information on how
Speaker 12: high profile individuals, both Democrat Republican the United States in
Speaker 12: an effort to sway.
Speaker 5: Are foreign policy.
Speaker 9: Is it possible.
Speaker 5: I have no direct knowledge, but I think it's one
Speaker 5: of the areas your committee should investigate. Do you think
Speaker 5: it's possible, Well, it is certainly possible. It's a tried
Speaker 5: and true technique of certain intelligence agencies.
Speaker 12: Do you believe that he was using Honeypott's an effort to.
Speaker 5: I can't sarraculate.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is such a weird use
Speaker 2: of their time.
Speaker 1: Later, she said that she had no reason to believe
Speaker 1: that personally she was the subject of an intel gathering
Speaker 1: operation relating to Jeffrey Epstein or Glene Maxwell. And then
Speaker 1: right after she was asked if she was ever denied
Speaker 1: access to information about youaps that's an unidentified aerial phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Hilary said that she was never denied access because she
Speaker 1: never asked for access. When questions, she said that she
Speaker 1: believes the American public deserves access to such topics subject
Speaker 1: to national security implications. This bizarre off topic line of
Speaker 1: questioning continued nearly an hour later into the hearing.
Speaker 6: Going to begin with some lighthearted different questions and You're
Speaker 6: welcome to ignore them or if you want to. But
Speaker 6: while I have you here, I just have to ask. So,
Speaker 6: when your husband was president, it is Lawrence Rockefeller had
Speaker 6: an effort to try to disclose UFOs UAPs. When you
Speaker 6: were running for president, John Podesta publicly stated that you
Speaker 6: would disclose these files with if given the chance, if
Speaker 6: you had been president. Are you pleased to see that
Speaker 6: these files may be disclosed?
Speaker 1: Finally, I am pleased.
Speaker 5: As I say, I think they have to be carefully
Speaker 5: scrutinized so that no national security information is disclosed. But
Speaker 5: this is an issue of real importance to so many people,
Speaker 5: and I think whatever can be disclosed should be disclosed.
Speaker 6: Was there a program that specifically that that was referencing
Speaker 6: that you were aware of. It's not.
Speaker 5: As you mentioned. John Podesta, who was one of my advisors,
Speaker 5: was deeply interested in the issue, and if I had
Speaker 5: been elected, I certainly would have listened to his advice.
Speaker 6: Oh, thank you for indulgent on.
Speaker 1: That very odd, completely off topic, no relevance to the
Speaker 1: actual subject of inquiry. A few minutes later, Hillary asked
Speaker 1: a clarifying question about why UFOs were brought up.
Speaker 4: This is sort of like off subject.
Speaker 5: But didn't you all require in the latest Defense authorization
Speaker 5: that the UFO information asked about what?
Speaker 9: They ripped it out?
Speaker 4: They killed it. Oh I thought that it gone through.
Speaker 6: That was my amendment and it ripped out.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, well you've just I didn't know that, So
Speaker 5: thank you for enlightening me.
Speaker 9: Okay, Yeah, they've been killing that.
Speaker 1: So if alien disclosure questions weren't bad enough and you know,
Speaker 1: disrespectful to victims of epstein it' sex trafficking, it did
Speaker 1: get worse. Yeah, did, And we will get into the
Speaker 1: worse after this at break. All right, we're back at
Speaker 1: nearly the four hour mark into Hillary Clinton's deposition, Lauren
Speaker 1: Bobert started asking about conspiracy theories.
Speaker 14: In past public statements, as in twenty seventeen speeches and interviews,
Speaker 14: you described pizza gait as a baseless conspiracy theory alleging
Speaker 14: you and others ran a child sex trafficking ring from
Speaker 14: a Washington pizzeri based pizzeria basement. Have you reviewed any
Speaker 14: twenty twenty five twenty twenty six EPSTEIN files that were
Speaker 14: released that you believe reference or relate to those specific
Speaker 14: twenty sixteen claims regarding the Podesta emails comic ping Pong
Speaker 14: pizza used as code.
Speaker 10: Possibly. I'm sorry about whether she's reviewed emails that files
Speaker 10: related to the wacky Pizzagate excuse.
Speaker 14: You could characterize it however you want. I just would
Speaker 14: like to know if she's familiar with any of them.
Speaker 9: So your question is about whether or not she has
Speaker 9: reviewed any emails in the Epstein release files about Pizzagate. Correct,
Speaker 9: Pizzagate was totally made up.
Speaker 5: It was an outrageous allegation that ended up hurting a
Speaker 5: number of people, that caused a deranged young man to
Speaker 5: show up with his assault rifle and shoot up a
Speaker 5: local Pizzeriha. I can't believe you're even referencing it. You
Speaker 5: should be there.
Speaker 14: There are connections to the language.
Speaker 5: Believe there are, so I don't know what believe at.
Speaker 1: It completely unhitched.
Speaker 2: But why are we doing this? I have complete lack
Speaker 2: of faith in this committee. This is offensive to survivors
Speaker 2: of Epstein, and this is getting us no relevant information
Speaker 2: to the Epstein probe as they call it. This is ridiculous,
Speaker 2: this is infammatory. I mean, I expect nothing less from
Speaker 2: Loan and Bobart, but you know, it's just it's insane
Speaker 2: and embarrassing.
Speaker 1: It's insane, and like there has been a resurgence of
Speaker 1: you know, Pizzagate related conspiracy theories, people talking about Pizzagate
Speaker 1: since the files had been released. Since people can create
Speaker 1: their own patterns, right by selectively honing in on words
Speaker 1: or symbols which allow them to overlook what's right in
Speaker 1: front of their nose. Right, all of the very clear
Speaker 1: connections laid out in the Epstein files, those can be ignored, yes,
Speaker 1: and instead you focused on these like coded messages hidden everywhere,
Speaker 1: hidden in the backgrounds of videos, people carrying pizza boxes
Speaker 1: into the Clinton deposition, all this kind of stuff. It's
Speaker 1: it allows them to miss the very the very clear
Speaker 1: things that are actually outlined into files. It is, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the negative side effects of you know, of
Speaker 1: files like this being released is that it allows a
Speaker 1: lot of points of interest to be honed in on
Speaker 1: by people charting wildly conspiratorial matrices.
Speaker 2: I just don't even know how somebody like Lauren Barbert
Speaker 2: on a committee like this, or an elected official or
Speaker 2: you know, employed Frankly.
Speaker 1: Hilary went on to say, I expected a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting questions today, but Pizzagate was not on the list.
Speaker 1: Lauren Bobart replied, that's okay. We're asking all sorts of
Speaker 1: things here, okay. A few minutes later, Bobert returned with
Speaker 1: even more Pizzagate questions, and things escalated to the point
Speaker 1: where they had to go off the record.
Speaker 14: That's lord, are you aware of any files that were
Speaker 14: on Anthony Wiener's laptop and a folder that was titled
Speaker 14: Insurance Life Insurance with a ZIP file titled.
Speaker 10: Chairman.
Speaker 9: Is this within the scope? Mister chairman?
Speaker 14: Chairman rules that it's not with mister.
Speaker 9: Based on what you said in the public hearing, is
Speaker 9: this within the scope?
Speaker 4: For a moment, mister chairman?
Speaker 9: Is this within the scope?
Speaker 8: Record?
Speaker 1: So you couldn't quite make out what Bobart was referencing there.
Speaker 1: She was talking about the Frazzle Drip conspiracy theory that
Speaker 1: alleged Anthony Wiener possessed a video of Hillary Clinton conducting
Speaker 1: a satanic ritual murder of a child, cutting off this
Speaker 1: child's face to wears a mask to fill the child's
Speaker 1: blood with adrenochrome to be harvested. This is like a
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen conspiracy theory, one of one of the more
Speaker 1: like like graphic and gross aspects of QAnon, And here
Speaker 1: Bobert is just openly asking Hillary Clinton about Frazle drip
Speaker 1: by name, completely inappropriate, has no bearing on the investigation.
Speaker 1: It's an insult to actual victim of child sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: So this whole conspiratorial angle of the Hillary Clinton deposition
Speaker 1: made up a significant chunk. Another chunk that made up
Speaker 1: a significant portion of time is just Clinton kind of
Speaker 1: advising and the committee members both on the Republican and
Speaker 1: Democrat side, like asking for her advice on how to
Speaker 1: conduct their own investigation. She advised that they should follow
Speaker 1: Senator Widens compiled Treasury data on Epstein's financial transactions, and
Speaker 1: that data should be subpoened from the Treasury Department. She
Speaker 1: was asked about how they could determine if Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: was a spy. Hillary advised them to send document requests
Speaker 1: to subpoena the CIA, the Department of National Intelligence counterintelligence
Speaker 1: departments in the DOJ, saying to quote unquote cast a
Speaker 1: wide net. She suggested cooperating with UK investigations and to
Speaker 1: former Prince Andrew and trying to see if Israel will
Speaker 1: cooperate in sharing information regarding the investigation. Finally, Hillary suggested
Speaker 1: to Chairman James Coohmer that he should advise on how
Speaker 1: laws could be changed to prevent future abuse based on
Speaker 1: the committee's knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's manipulation techniques and mode
Speaker 1: of operation. But there was like significant chunk of at
Speaker 1: least like, you know, thirty minutes where she was essentially
Speaker 1: being asked or advising the committee on how to do
Speaker 1: their own job, just due to the sheering competence that
Speaker 1: has been displayed in the clips that I've selected here.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't really have anything else to say besides
Speaker 2: that it's just like.
Speaker 1: Pathotic, yeah, I mean, and most of the interesting stuff
Speaker 1: is in the Hillary Hillary Clinton won.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Bill was deposed the next day. But for some of
Speaker 1: the like logistics regarding this hearing, a source told The
Speaker 1: New York Post, so take that as you will. Sure
Speaker 1: that the Clinton team demanded specific quote unquote beauty lighting
Speaker 1: and camera positions relatable life hear to get the most
Speaker 1: flattering angle of Hillary's face, and brought white tablecloths to
Speaker 1: bounce the overhead lighting onto the bottom of her face
Speaker 1: to mind of my shadows.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Pictures of the whole room also showed that the Clinton
Speaker 1: team was the only ones with these like nice orange
Speaker 1: upholstered chairs. The rest of the chairs were just like
Speaker 1: regular black folding chairs. The New York Post contains this
Speaker 1: little tidbit that the customized blue paneled backdrop was developed
Speaker 1: by a local specialized vendor within about seven hours after
Speaker 1: Clinton's team concluded it did not like the vibe of
Speaker 1: the original black curtains in the background unquote. So they
Speaker 1: like went in saw this, you know, white table with
Speaker 1: black curtains. They thought it looked too much like a
Speaker 1: criminal interrogation or or like a quote unquote hostage situation
Speaker 1: is what's quoted in the Post article, as opposed to
Speaker 1: like an official congressional deposition, you know, like an official
Speaker 1: government venue. So they got like a local carpenter to
Speaker 1: make this blue paneled backdrop in like a few hours
Speaker 1: to put behind Hillary. And that's just an interesting insight
Speaker 1: into like the thought process of the Clinton team regarding
Speaker 1: the optics of this hearing shop local. So let's briefly
Speaker 1: go through some of the sections on bill. Bill started
Speaker 1: by saying that they should not have questioned Hillary, quote,
Speaker 1: but I do think you should be talking to me.
Speaker 1: You should have called me, I did take those plain
Speaker 1: trips with him. You have a right to ask those questions. Unquote,
Speaker 1: He said that quote, I'll be honest with you, I'll
Speaker 1: be eighty eight years old if I lived my next birthday.
Speaker 1: I don't remember everything that happened twenty four years ago,
Speaker 1: but I do remember some things, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I remember the best that I can. On quote.
Speaker 1: When asked when he first met Jeffrey Epstein, Bill referred
Speaker 1: to a photo of him shaking Epstein's hand in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three at a White House Historical Association event. But
Speaker 1: Bill said that he doesn't remember that, but this photo
Speaker 1: does exist. He shook a lot of people's hands. Does
Speaker 1: not remember everyone he meets. He first remembers meeting Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein for a Clinton Foundation plane trip in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two. He said he was connected with Epstein through
Speaker 1: someone named Larry Summers, who told Bill that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: made a large donation about ten million dollars to brain
Speaker 1: research and was a quote unquote, information hungry person. Summers
Speaker 1: said that Epstein wanted to talk with Bill about economics
Speaker 1: and politics and offered to take Bill his staff and
Speaker 1: his secret service detail on Clinton Foundation trips for global
Speaker 1: humanitarian aid, so Bill saw this as a way to
Speaker 1: drive the price down for these trips. He took the
Speaker 1: last one of these flights in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: When asked why this relationship ended, Bill said that the
Speaker 1: AIDS program, it was a humanitarian aid program to help
Speaker 1: with AIDS, but that this AIDS program, you know, took
Speaker 1: off and more people that Bill knew better offered to help,
Speaker 1: and Jeffrey did not seem as interested in the AIDS program,
Speaker 1: so they kind of just naturally drifted apart. Bill characterized
Speaker 1: the relationship as friendly, but didn't know him well enough
Speaker 1: to be considered a friend, and so that he never
Speaker 1: talked about witness or participated in anything sexual. Relating to
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and young women and girls, Bill said he
Speaker 1: learned of Epstein's crimes in two thousand and eight. Bill
Speaker 1: said he had no indication Epstein was trafficking women. Quote
Speaker 1: There's nothing that I saw when I was around him
Speaker 1: that made me realize he was trafficking women. Quote. Bill
Speaker 1: was asked about if he communicated with a long list
Speaker 1: of people regarding Epstein. This was kind of a weirdly
Speaker 1: framed question. It was have you communicated with any of
Speaker 1: these people about Jeffrey Epstein. Bill had a hard time
Speaker 1: kind of understanding the nature of this question. It is
Speaker 1: kind of oddly phrased. Hillary was asked the same one.
Speaker 1: They just read a list of names. Bill recounted if
Speaker 1: he knew the person or not, and lawyers had to specify, like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: they're asking if you communicated with them about Epstein, not
Speaker 1: if you knew them. So it kind of got some
Speaker 1: confusing responses. Interestingly, both Hillary and Bill laughed at the
Speaker 1: mention of Noam Chomsky. Bill said that he never communicated
Speaker 1: with Chomsky and that Chomsky quote wasn't a big fan
Speaker 1: of mine. He thought I was too conservative.
Speaker 2: Fuck off, nome, fuck off, no crazy.
Speaker 1: Bill did testify that he thought that someone relating to
Speaker 1: law enforcement would ask him about Epstein in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight when the news about Epstein's crimes came out,
Speaker 1: considering that Epstein let Bill use the plane, but no
Speaker 1: one ever did m He said he never suspected Intel
Speaker 1: agency connections with Epstein and was at the time unaware
Speaker 1: of Epstein's visits to the White House while Bill was president,
Speaker 1: and it has only since been informed of this in
Speaker 1: preparation for this testimony, Okay, Bill was asked about a
Speaker 1: New York Times article claiming to expound on Bill and
Speaker 1: Epstein's relationship in the nineties, characterized as chummy, which Bill denies.
Speaker 1: He said that he didn't even know Epstein really during
Speaker 1: this time, even though they may have been at the
Speaker 1: same events. He was asked about but being asked to
Speaker 1: write a personal note to Jeffrey Epstein's mother. Bill said
Speaker 1: that he never met Jeffrey Epstein's mother and that he
Speaker 1: wrote a lot of notes to a lot of people
Speaker 1: that he did not know. He was unsure of who
Speaker 1: asked him to write this note. He was also asked
Speaker 1: about this passport appearing to belong to Epstein bearing a
Speaker 1: different name, with the questioner asserting that they believe Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein was an intelligence operative running a honeypot against the president.
Speaker 1: When later asked if he believes that he was targeted,
Speaker 1: Bill says that it's possible. The lawyers objected this based
Speaker 1: on speculation, but Bill says he doesn't know if he
Speaker 1: was targeted but would be surprised. Refers to Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: as a quote unquote vacuum cleaner of information but was
Speaker 1: not overtly manipulative. Early on, saying that Epstein mostly asked
Speaker 1: about derivatives trading and stock market regulation. Bill was asked
Speaker 1: if he ever had contact with someone named Shante Davies,
Speaker 1: who was a quote unquote flight attendant on Epstein's plane.
Speaker 1: Bill confirms that he did, and confirmed that a neck
Speaker 1: rub took place once with Chante Davies, but denied he
Speaker 1: ever went to the island.
Speaker 2: I don't know something about neck rub and Bill Clinton
Speaker 2: just makes me stomach hurt.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He later says that he was unaware of the abuse
Speaker 1: happening to Chante Davies and says that he quote wish
Speaker 1: Schante had told me I liked her, but said that
Speaker 1: he did not think there was anything unusual. He said
Speaker 1: that massages on rich people's planes and boats weren't uncommon.
Speaker 1: Was never aware of anyone under the age of eighteen
Speaker 1: all these flights, and if there were, that would have
Speaker 1: made him uncomfortable. He specified that Secret Service was with
Speaker 1: him for every single trip. He quote never signed off
Speaker 1: Secret Service protection. He talked about specifically this neck rub incident,
Speaker 1: saying that he had a sore neck during one of
Speaker 1: the legs of these Clinton Foundation Aid trips and received
Speaker 1: a massage this one time. That's what he claimed. He
Speaker 1: was asked about the note in Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth birthday book,
Speaker 1: Bill said that his own staff asked him to write
Speaker 1: a letter for the book, specifying that he sends out
Speaker 1: hundreds of birthday letters every year to friends or people
Speaker 1: he's only met a few times. A regular occurrence, he's
Speaker 1: asked to read a section of the letter that people
Speaker 1: had a hard time transcribing exactly, which makes a reference
Speaker 1: to Epstein having made errors in his life, and he
Speaker 1: was asked whether this errors referred to sex crimes. Bill said, no,
Speaker 1: in the life of someone fifty years old, they're going
Speaker 1: to make mistakes. It was a throwaway line in one
Speaker 1: section of this very short letter. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: super relevant. Now. Around this time when they're reading from
Speaker 1: this letter is where there's this viral clip of Bill
Speaker 1: pulling back a copy of a photo from his lawyers
Speaker 1: like while smiling. This is circulated a lot. It looks
Speaker 1: like he's no recounting like good memories or something. The
Speaker 1: piece paper he's pulling back is actually just a copy
Speaker 1: of a new York Times article. It's not a picture
Speaker 1: of him and Epstein. It's not a picture of memories.
Speaker 1: There may be a small photo framed in the picture
Speaker 1: included in this New York Times article. It's being passed around,
Speaker 1: but it's not like he's like flipping through like a
Speaker 1: year book of like a good moments with friends and like,
Speaker 1: you know, happily recounting. I think this, this little clip's
Speaker 1: been decontextualized.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm not not trying to defend Bill Clinton here.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm adding context for what's.
Speaker 1: Actually happening in this hearing. And his lawyers are passing
Speaker 1: around a copy of a New York Times article which
Speaker 1: he's being questioned about, and that's the context for that clip.
Speaker 2: And like, this clip went pretty viral, and so I
Speaker 2: was talking about it actually with my mom My. Mom
Speaker 2: My mom's first reaction held some weight with me. She
Speaker 2: was like, that's just Bill Clinton's face.
Speaker 1: He's kind of this happy, goofy guy.
Speaker 2: Like he's generally like a smiley guy. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense contextually. Here again, not defending
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, but yeah.
Speaker 1: I do want to play one clip about Trump. Bill
Speaker 1: was asked if the committee should talk to Donald Trump
Speaker 1: since his name appears more frequently in the thousand almost
Speaker 1: any other person. Bill says, that's up to the committee
Speaker 1: and mentions an instance where he talked with Trump about
Speaker 1: Epstein on a golf course for a charity tournament around
Speaker 1: to US in two to TWISM three, and they talked
Speaker 1: about Epstein because Trump somehow knew that Bill had flown
Speaker 1: on the plane. But besides this incident, he had no
Speaker 1: other conversations with Trump about Epstein or Maxwell.
Speaker 8: The day I was there, he would typically.
Speaker 10: Donald Trump would come out and play a few holes
Speaker 10: with us, and he somehow knew I had flown in
Speaker 10: Jeffrey Epstein's aircraft. And he said, you know, we have
Speaker 10: some great times together over the years, but we fell
Speaker 10: out all because of a real estate deal.
Speaker 8: And he said, I'm sorry it that's all.
Speaker 15: Do you recall whether President Trump was the first one
Speaker 15: to affirmatively bring up the subject of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 8: No, but I'd be shocked if I did. I just
Speaker 8: don't do that, you know.
Speaker 15: Do you recall whether President Trump elaborated at all on
Speaker 15: the great times that he had with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 10: No, And I took at the time I took. No,
Speaker 10: I didn't put any you know, sexual stint on it.
Speaker 15: And as far as you recall, President Trump characterized the
Speaker 15: nature of the ending of their friendship as being solely
Speaker 15: due to the real estate he said.
Speaker 1: Interestingly, here Bill recounts that Trump's reason for breaking with
Speaker 1: Epstein was due to a real estate deal, not the
Speaker 1: poaching of employees at mar A Lago, as alternatively reported.
Speaker 1: Right the minority, the Democrats referred to statements from three
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein victims in statements, including Bill, in some way.
Speaker 1: Starting with someone named Maria Farmer, an Epstein employee who
Speaker 1: first reported abuse to the NYPDNFBI in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: She claimed that she acknowledge that Bill visited Epstein's house
Speaker 1: multiple times. Bill denies this. Someone named Virginia Roberts Druffey
Speaker 1: remarked that she had knowledge that Bill was at Epstein's island.
Speaker 1: Bill responded by saying that ultimately his person quote unquote
Speaker 1: reached a different conclusion and denied declaimed that he flew
Speaker 1: in a helicopter with Glenn Maxwell to the island. The
Speaker 1: committee member reference a diary entry as the piece of
Speaker 1: information asserting that Bill was on the island. Bill's lawyers
Speaker 1: asked about the dates for this entry so that they
Speaker 1: could determine whether Bill was in a different part of
Speaker 1: the world around this time. But this gets moved on
Speaker 1: pretty quick. They briefly bring up this picture of Bill
Speaker 1: in a hot tub in Brunei. He says that he
Speaker 1: was staying at a hotel during one of these AIDS
Speaker 1: trips and briefly went to a hot tub. Other people
Speaker 1: were present from this trip secret Service. That's about a
Speaker 1: bizarre painting of Bill Clinton wearing Monica Lewinsky's blue dress
Speaker 1: found in Jeffrey Epstein's apartment. Bill said he'd never seen
Speaker 1: it before. Was asked to speculate why this painting was made.
Speaker 1: Lawyers said that the committee can ask the artist. Lauren
Speaker 1: Barber goes on a very poor line of questioning regarding
Speaker 1: a conversation transcript between two people, and this line of
Speaker 1: questioning requires deposition to go off the record to figure
Speaker 1: out what exactly she's talking about.
Speaker 10: Bill.
Speaker 1: Event she responds to a question stating that he never
Speaker 1: felt that he owed Jeffrey Epstein any favors and never
Speaker 1: participated in any quote unquote to island orgies since he
Speaker 1: never traveled to the US Virgin Islands with Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: about two hours in. Bill Clinton has asked if he
Speaker 1: thinks Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, something they never asked. Hillary.
Speaker 8: I would just like to ask.
Speaker 14: You, personally and directly, do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 14: killed himself?
Speaker 9: Are you asking him to speculate on how mister Epstein died?
Speaker 14: I am asking what Miss the President thinks when you're
Speaker 14: asking his opinion, Mister President, was your was your friend Jeffrey.
Speaker 9: Epstein's cessifying him as a friend who he has testified.
Speaker 14: That he's a friend in a letter.
Speaker 9: He said he was friendly, but not you've asked for
Speaker 9: his test President.
Speaker 14: Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein was suicidal?
Speaker 10: Do you know?
Speaker 14: Was he ever suicidal?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 10: I don't know what the medical founding was. I think
Speaker 10: maybe he finally got caught.
Speaker 8: I don't know. I've accepted it my own mom. I
Speaker 8: don't know what happened, Miss President.
Speaker 14: What did you accept that he killed himself or.
Speaker 8: That he did not that he did? But I don't know.
Speaker 14: Yes, sir, and none of us know, Miss President has
Speaker 14: been an honor.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Why would you ask him that that makes no sense?
Speaker 1: I mean again, this is Lauren Bobber, the same person
Speaker 1: asking about pizza Gate. He's she's trying to donkey in
Speaker 1: as many of these conspiracy theory questions as she can,
Speaker 1: because that's that's like who she is, right, she has
Speaker 1: she is a conspiracy theorist herself. She may not characterist
Speaker 1: it that way, but she's trying to, you know, go
Speaker 1: go off a checklist of like epic owns against the
Speaker 1: Evil Child eating Clinton's a few other few other small
Speaker 1: notes that I think are interesting. Bill was asked about
Speaker 1: emails being sent to Glene Maxwell by one of his assistants,
Speaker 1: and Bill says that he never sent these emails and
Speaker 1: he's only ever sent two emails in his life, which
Speaker 1: I do believe I can too.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy, Oh, Bill Well.
Speaker 1: Bill's asked about a statement that Epstein made saying that
Speaker 1: Bill quote unquote likes them young. Bill Lawyer's asked, you know,
Speaker 1: if Bill's be asked to speculate on Jeffrey Epstein's mind.
Speaker 1: Bill says that this isn't true, that he quote unquote
Speaker 1: likes them young and never went to the island again.
Speaker 1: Mace later asks if it's unusual for a quote unquote
Speaker 1: sitting president to receive a massage. Bill Sawyers had to
Speaker 1: argue back and forth because Bill was not a sitting
Speaker 1: president during the time where this neck massage incident occurred.
Speaker 1: Bill's once again asked if he was the target of
Speaker 1: an intel operation, he says, I doubt it. There was
Speaker 1: then an extended argument between Mace and Lawyer's reference to
Speaker 1: Daily Beast reporting on a statement Bill made after Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein's to his a nineteen arrest, mischaracterizing two instances where
Speaker 1: Jeffy Epstein visited the Clinton office and Bill once visited
Speaker 1: Jeffy Epstein's New York compartment, which he later remarked Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein was not even present for, and Nancy Mays kept
Speaker 1: asking if Bill lied about only meeting Jeffrey Epstein at
Speaker 1: these two times based on the phrasing of the Daily
Speaker 1: Beast article, but the full statement that the Daily Beast
Speaker 1: was quoting from also lists the four plane trips, which
Speaker 1: contained a total of seventeen stops. The Beast article just
Speaker 1: mischaracterized this as only being two incidents, and Mace was
Speaker 1: referring to the article, not the actual original statement. This
Speaker 1: resulted in a pretty extensive argument. This leads us to
Speaker 1: the final clip that I'll play, which I think is
Speaker 1: kind of the only interesting question across the nine hours
Speaker 1: of testimony, the only question I think is actually kind
Speaker 1: of interesting and worthwhile, and it's not actually followed up
Speaker 1: on in any substantial way. Nancy Maaska asks why the
Speaker 1: Clintons still associated with Glade Maxwell after Jeffrey Epstein's first conviction,
Speaker 1: knowing that Maxwell was one of Epstein's closest associates.
Speaker 10: First of all, when the wedding occurred, she was with
Speaker 10: Ted White, and she was for several more years. We
Speaker 10: did not know when Sane was arrested that she was
Speaker 10: still involved with him.
Speaker 8: I think that clears a lot of this up.
Speaker 10: We didn't know, and I don't want all of me
Speaker 10: to get We're all getting an allowed.
Speaker 8: There's a logical extromation. We didn't know, and I'm sorry
Speaker 8: for what she did and what she allowed her life
Speaker 8: to become and now she's living with it.
Speaker 1: They do not follow up on this at all. The
Speaker 1: fact that the Clinton's, knowing that Maxwell was like Epstein's
Speaker 1: number two guys, spent a decent amount of time with
Speaker 1: on these four plane trips and to US and two
Speaker 1: to two US and three on these humanitarian aid Clinton
Speaker 1: Foundation trips. You know, a lot of time I'm with
Speaker 1: Glaine and Epstein. The committee did not follow up on
Speaker 1: why they continued to associate even loosely, like very loosely
Speaker 1: with Glaine after the Twestaate conviction. Yeah, that's a pretty
Speaker 1: reasonable question to have, and it just doesn't even get
Speaker 1: focused on very much. Instead, they started talking about this
Speaker 1: report from an Epstein victim about Bill Clinton allegedly walking
Speaker 1: into the offices of Vanity Fair and threatening them to
Speaker 1: not write sex trafficking articles about Jeffrey Epstein, something that
Speaker 1: Bill obviously denies, and there would be other witnesses for
Speaker 1: this event. But like this, this question about the Clinton's
Speaker 1: extended relationship with Glaine Maxwell after the first conviction is
Speaker 1: one of the very last questions asked. It takes them
Speaker 1: nine hours to get there. Yeah, they don't even follow
Speaker 1: up on it, and it just kind of ends very
Speaker 1: very flaccid.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to the survivors, Like, you're not getting any
Speaker 2: kind of justice. This committee is incompetent, embarrassing, and pugnant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that kind of sums up the hearing, all
Speaker 1: of the hearings they were inconfident, embarrassing and repugnant, really
Speaker 1: spending more time on weird conspiracy theories than asking like new.
Speaker 2: Questions on Pizzagate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like they asked Hillary and Bill basically the
Speaker 1: same two questions over and over again, the same answers,
Speaker 1: wasting hours and hours of time. The only new questions
Speaker 1: they asked are these insane conspiracy ones. It's it's embarrassing,
Speaker 1: it does not hold any relevance to the investigation, and
Speaker 1: it's nine hours of my life I'll never get back.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Well, that does it for us here at it could
Speaker 1: happen Here. We'll keep following some of these some of
Speaker 1: these hearings and depositions as this continues. I know there
Speaker 1: was new FBI documents about witness statements regarding President Trump
Speaker 1: released as I was writing this, like last night, and
Speaker 1: we'll probably be talking about those in executive disorder and
Speaker 1: later on throughout our coverage.
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