WEBVTT - EP 427: Between the Sheets and the Pages Ft. Traci (The Stacks Podcast)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Decisions Decisions. I don't think you should say

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<v Speaker 1>decision decisions. It sounded like you was talking to Kirsty.

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<v Speaker 1>You definitely say to welcome, welcome to the new podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, you want to say together decisions decisions. Hey, everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to another episode of this Sizzy Y'all's the Sizzy y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not you putting the glasses on the authors.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my guy, you are the authors of no host

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<v Speaker 2>part I knew sitting with Tracy, the host of the

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<v Speaker 2>Stacks podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to play you the clip of how

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<v Speaker 3>I found you because I just thought so.

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<v Speaker 1>We had Brian.

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<v Speaker 3>Brandon and if you don't remember his episode, it may

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<v Speaker 3>have been like last year, maybe even.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years ago, a while ago. Oh there's his book. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was for his book. Yeah, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>on from you Gotta Be You.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw this clip of Tracy and I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to her or follow her because the clip

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<v Speaker 2>was so funny. And then I realized, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this bitch does books.

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<v Speaker 1>Not this bitch does book.

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<v Speaker 4>She does you a buck, Debbie does, Dallas Cracy does,

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<v Speaker 4>but he does book.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a clip and I want you guys

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<v Speaker 1>to hear this because I was like, oh, she's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>I am the worst mom in the social group of

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<v Speaker 4>moms in the world of children. I have five year

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<v Speaker 4>old twins, as you know, and there are moms who.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to be friends. I don't want to be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I have frin and I will ignore, sure, I will lie.

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<v Speaker 4>That's so my favorite move is like, hey, do you

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<v Speaker 4>guys want to like do a playdate tomorrow or like

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<v Speaker 4>later today? Leave on red until I'm like an hour after.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh my god, I'm just we're just getting

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<v Speaker 4>out of something grew and I is so honest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. Moms act like I am. I'm hanging this

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<v Speaker 2>mom in this mom.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like what if you hate them?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's so different than like, hoes want to

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<v Speaker 2>be friends with other hose because they relate.

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<v Speaker 1>So moms want to be friends.

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<v Speaker 2>With other moms because now we have something, yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>we don't comly.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to talk about stupid kids. Shit, that's our problem.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not even that these women I wouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 4>be friends with in other circumstances, but all they want

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about is like, what does your kid eat?

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<v Speaker 4>What time did they go to bed? And I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 4>have you watched you a TV show recently?

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<v Speaker 5>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like sports?

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<v Speaker 4>Like? It doesn't even have to be like tell me

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<v Speaker 4>your trauma. It can just be anything other than to

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<v Speaker 4>your own dangerous. But who do you talk about your

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<v Speaker 4>kids with?

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<v Speaker 3>Because if you think about it, one of my friends

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<v Speaker 3>recently told me who had a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, day, i'll hear from me anymore. She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to hear about this kid shit?

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<v Speaker 1>And I know it's crazy. One.

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<v Speaker 2>None of my friends talk to me about their kids

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<v Speaker 2>because I could careless, but.

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<v Speaker 4>I could care less abou other people's kids, so too,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even want to talk about my kids like

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<v Speaker 4>truly as I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you can, I don't. So just a few

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<v Speaker 1>boundary ground rolls.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I ever say my kid's names publicly, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't ever put them on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Give voice right and girl, we're gonna do that to

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<v Speaker 1>the men we fought.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we never say their names on the podcast, and

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<v Speaker 2>we never post them on our social media.

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<v Speaker 4>My kids are I try to keep them private for

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'll tell you their story of why I

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<v Speaker 4>do that protecting them. But also so there's an influencer

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<v Speaker 4>that I follow who lives in my neighborhood and I've

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<v Speaker 4>been following her for a long time, and she had

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<v Speaker 4>a daughter. And one day I was walking down the

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<v Speaker 4>street like this little neighborhood and I saw the little

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<v Speaker 4>girl with the nanny and I said, oh, my god,

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<v Speaker 4>there's blank And then I realized I actually didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>that kid. But I thought that that was a little

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<v Speaker 4>kid that I knew just in the community. And I said,

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<v Speaker 4>if I ever have kids, I'm never gonna put This

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<v Speaker 4>was before the show was even like big. It was like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know whatever, and I was like, I will never

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<v Speaker 4>put my kids on public social media because that's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was really disorienting because I knew the kid's name,

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<v Speaker 4>like I was like, I really thought like I was

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<v Speaker 4>going to go up to them and be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>little girl, who's name? I know? And then I realized

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<v Speaker 4>that I did not know that. Yeah, the Internet makes

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<v Speaker 4>us feel closer to people.

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<v Speaker 3>This is ridiculous, and I'm not trying to compare your

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<v Speaker 3>children to a dog, but I knew shit got weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I was driving one day in La.

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<v Speaker 2>My dog is uh hanging out the window.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like sitting outside the car. Girl walks by and

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<v Speaker 3>goes hey, Nina and doesn't speak to me, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, bitch, Yeah, it's weird. Looney too, Yeah

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<v Speaker 3>it's weird. And yeah, when I go.

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<v Speaker 2>On Live My My My like core like fans literally

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<v Speaker 2>refer to Body my cat as their nephew.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is my nephew at that's cute, but they know Body.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, Body done got so big because that's my kid.

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<v Speaker 1>My cat does go on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's like, oh wow, y'all have known Body

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<v Speaker 2>since he was a little little bit and now you

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<v Speaker 2>growing up and you refer to my cat.

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<v Speaker 3>When we were first starting this episode, I said, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, Tracy, have to hold this thought. Tracy was

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<v Speaker 3>telling us what she thought about She's read the entire

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<v Speaker 3>book No holds Word, We just miss a saxpod, and

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about what she thought about meeting us after

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<v Speaker 3>reading the book. So I'd love for you to repeat

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<v Speaker 3>that because I want to tell you what I.

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<v Speaker 1>Said about here. Yeah, so I both well.

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<v Speaker 4>I said that I thought that Mandy was like friendlier

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<v Speaker 4>than I thought that you would be, like warmer, less guarded,

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<v Speaker 4>than I thought. And I thought that you were goofier

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<v Speaker 4>than I was expecting because your chapters are like really

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<v Speaker 4>like sexy, like sex you know, I mean not all

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<v Speaker 4>of that, they're very sex forward, but also the goofy

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<v Speaker 4>side of you does not come out in the chapters.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, I don't feel like you are goofy. You're funny.

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<v Speaker 4>You're definitely funny, like you're cracking jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on, this bitch just said on goofy in person.

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<v Speaker 4>This is goofy, is hope, but goofy in like a

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<v Speaker 4>good way, not goofy in the pejorative way, like like like.

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<v Speaker 1>Silly, like playful.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that that side of you came out

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<v Speaker 4>comes out as much as it does in person.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing about me that's very difficult, I think

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<v Speaker 3>to be a boss. We've been approached by this company

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<v Speaker 3>to do a show about our studio and my business partner,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like making up different episodes. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the episode episodes, sorry, I braceist, should be

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<v Speaker 3>about how I can't give an employee bad news. So

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<v Speaker 3>we're structuring this, I'm like, I want to take one

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<v Speaker 3>of the employees on. Let me take her to a

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<v Speaker 3>spa day. Let's just say nishe is right here and

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<v Speaker 3>Denisha's fucked up a audio file. I'll probably take her

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<v Speaker 3>to this BA will probably hang out. I think she's

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<v Speaker 3>getting promoted. I think I'm gonna say it, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really do it. Like I get to goofy

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<v Speaker 3>and silly to wear sometimes it's hard to be serious.

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<v Speaker 1>And so to that point.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the issues my boyfriend had with me early

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<v Speaker 2>on and we just spoke about it again recently because

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, you've gotten better. He thought I wasn't into

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<v Speaker 2>him because I was so goofy and silly and playful,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, bro, we'll be in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>making out and you're like, can you imagine if blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah, it's really add But he hated it, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>like I and I thought you couldn't connect with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you weren't as interested. I thought she wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to be friends. And last week before he left, he

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<v Speaker 3>had candles out for me, pulled a.

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<v Speaker 1>Blind full out and I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been getting on your nerves.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna kill me, bag, and he's like, yo, you

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<v Speaker 2>shut the fuck I'm there's shot a playing and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, but it's so tough for me to,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, not be this person. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>love hearing you say that in the book, I was

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<v Speaker 2>sexier because people don't know what I look like in

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<v Speaker 2>that book, and then maybe when they meet me, they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the braces, the whole us of your hair, like this

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<v Speaker 2>pitch is a mouse. And I have gotten to feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the more serious side of me did come out

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<v Speaker 2>in that book because this is so fun and.

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<v Speaker 4>So I feel like, yeah, because I'm mean, I listened

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<v Speaker 4>to the show and so I was actually a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit surprised when I was reading it because it's like

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<v Speaker 4>like for your chapters, because I feel like you are

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<v Speaker 4>like much more like off the cuff. But that's the

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<v Speaker 4>thing about writing is like that doesn't translate on the no.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing too, And with writing the book,

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<v Speaker 2>Weezy at one point where it was like we have

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<v Speaker 2>to go back and forth like we do on the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast and like have some sort of dialogue, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, that doesn't it's a book, it doesn't,

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't apply.

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<v Speaker 1>It is actually my biggest regret of this book.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish there is a moment where one chapter, one

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<v Speaker 3>paragraph something where you got to see Mandy and and

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<v Speaker 3>Weezy speak. I am a really big fan of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I love moments that break the fourth wall. And so

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<v Speaker 3>that's why in the book a lot, I'll use quotation

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<v Speaker 3>marks of what people say, insert text message here, just

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<v Speaker 3>anything I can so you remember and ground and you

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<v Speaker 3>ground yourself in reality.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that we are doing such a good job

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<v Speaker 3>on our podcast going back and forth no matter if

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<v Speaker 3>we disagree or agree, that you get to see dialogue there.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the book was very scary to do because

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<v Speaker 3>that was gone. And this is my connection to Mandy

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<v Speaker 3>in my business and in my life is are back

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<v Speaker 3>and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>So the book being super this is us was different. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to ask you, because the stack spot

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<v Speaker 2>even doing for seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>How many books have you read the seven years? No

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<v Speaker 1>or in my life? Do you think you know?

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<v Speaker 4>Well? I know how many books I've read since twenty sixteen? Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>what's that number? I don't know exactly because I don't

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<v Speaker 4>have my phone on me. I think it's eight hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and seventy six Yeah, eight month. So it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be an average because in twenty and sixteen and twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't do the show, so I was reading. Last

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<v Speaker 4>I read about eight to twelve books a month on average.

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<v Speaker 4>This month, I just finished Shelf's book. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>finish one more book today and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Will be Yeah because of eleven month and yeah, one

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<v Speaker 2>day we're going on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Austin didn't take you to read no holes word two days? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazy, that is well. I mean i'm reading.

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<v Speaker 4>So if I read eight books a month, eight books

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<v Speaker 4>a month, that's less. But if I'm reading twel books,

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<v Speaker 4>which I think'm gona end up at eleven or twelve,

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<v Speaker 4>that's about three days of book.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about my average. Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So and your book isn't that long? Like I'm read

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<v Speaker 4>the book.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to finish just six hundred pages and that's

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<v Speaker 1>taken me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if they wouldn't have edited, my god, damn, y

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<v Speaker 2>let you write, it would have been at pages. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I know where it's too. I think the book is

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and seventy four pages.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you prefer.

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<v Speaker 3>Reading an actual book pages, fingers, audio, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Do all of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I will read on digital device. I will read a

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<v Speaker 4>physical book and I will listen to an audiobook. My

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<v Speaker 4>my real, true, most preferred way is actually to have

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<v Speaker 4>all three going at once of the same book. So

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<v Speaker 4>I like to have one book where I have a

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<v Speaker 4>physical copy, like in the daytime, when I'm reading in bed,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll switch to the digital and then if I'm in

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<v Speaker 4>the car doing chores, audio put on the audio. I

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<v Speaker 4>like to do a one I call myself a one

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<v Speaker 4>book pony. I just like to do one book at

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<v Speaker 4>a time. But oftentimes if I don't have that, I

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<v Speaker 4>will have a physical book going.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you don't even have the audio version of the

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<v Speaker 1>audio of yours?

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<v Speaker 4>So I only had a digital, But hopefully they'll send

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<v Speaker 4>me the physical so that I can I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just look at it. I can take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you married? I'm looking at your I am married.

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<v Speaker 1>What is he like? Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>So I also don't say his name, but we call

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<v Speaker 4>him mister Stacks. Yeah, we call the kids the ministacks.

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<v Speaker 4>Mister Sacks is a doctor, okay, is a obigu? I

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<v Speaker 4>n okay, And he's a pretty chill person. He's very

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<v Speaker 4>quiet that he is.

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<v Speaker 1>A super reader too.

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<v Speaker 4>That's really he's not a super reader. He reads. He

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<v Speaker 4>probably reads fifteen to twenty books a year. I would say,

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<v Speaker 4>so a book a month or a little more.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you this is such a random question. Okay, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not my obie. No, even more random.

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<v Speaker 2>But because we're we still lean into sex a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit and the reality of how woman think. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever been jealous of the fact that he goes to

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<v Speaker 2>work and is an other women's pussies all day?

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<v Speaker 4>No, because once you start hearing the stories of other women,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like it's And also his patient population is

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<v Speaker 4>like some like he worked at the county hospital here

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<v Speaker 4>in La Okay, so you know, and like people oftentimes

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<v Speaker 4>are coming in for issues where it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Bleeding, okay or yeah, tell the story. Tell the story.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the craziest one? The cwa the craziest one? I

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<v Speaker 1>think I can tell this. How long have you been together?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen years? Oh? You got stories?

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<v Speaker 4>Tell Okay, this is the craziest one. This is when

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<v Speaker 4>he was working in county a woman came in. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to say anything that's gonna get anybody in trouble,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm try to keep a bag. But a woman

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<v Speaker 4>came in. She had an object in her vagina, and

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<v Speaker 4>the police had also come like after her, and they

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<v Speaker 4>were like, she needs to go into operating and so

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<v Speaker 4>like the police were waiting and they were like, you

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<v Speaker 4>need to tell us, like what's in her vagina? And

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<v Speaker 4>I don't. I don't think that the doctors were allowed to.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I'm not. I can't remember the league legality here.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't get at me.

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<v Speaker 1>But basically they go in and they're like, what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck is this? Was it a shank? No, it was hot, and.

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<v Speaker 4>It had fused to the walls of her vagina and

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<v Speaker 4>it was a crack pipe and they had busted up

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<v Speaker 4>a like crackhouse, and to avoid getting arrested, she put

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<v Speaker 4>it up with it see up her vagina and it

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<v Speaker 4>got fused inside of her vagina. Wait wait, and that's glass.

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<v Speaker 4>That's shut the fuck up. So that's a crazy story.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember what the fallout was from it. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't remember if they had to like turn her over.

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<v Speaker 4>But the County Hospital is you know, that's where you

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<v Speaker 4>go if you don't have health in entrance. So there

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<v Speaker 4>was a lot of crazy stories when he was at County.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he get the crackpipe out? They had to do

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<v Speaker 1>full surgery.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, you have to do a full you have

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<v Speaker 4>to cut because it was fused to the tissue.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really bad. What's crazier about you? Talking about County?

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<v Speaker 2>A friend of mine shout out to Toya. She works

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<v Speaker 2>at a county jail h taking care of patients, and

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<v Speaker 2>she literally he was like, girl, I gotta get out

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<v Speaker 2>of here. She was like, because the men for some

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<v Speaker 2>reason are respecting a woman doctor and she doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>too many issues. She's like, the women just feel like

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<v Speaker 2>they can say anything to me. She's like, and these

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<v Speaker 2>are girls, like they're in jail, so these women are different.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, they be confused.

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<v Speaker 3>I may have to give someone HIV results and they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you get rid of it? She's like, sitting

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<v Speaker 3>there having to go step by step ABC whether it

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<v Speaker 3>be sensed, what they don't understand sticking things in there,

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<v Speaker 3>that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy now, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they's just be putting like drugs in a

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<v Speaker 2>pussy when they like drug mules, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they'll put it up a little little bag a

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<v Speaker 1>crack pipe. Yeah, is crazy. You know what's shameful about

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<v Speaker 1>this story?

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<v Speaker 3>I was traveling with friends and we wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 3>mushrooms with us somewhere because we didn't want to buy

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<v Speaker 3>them out of the country because we were all scared

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<v Speaker 3>those mushrooms would kill us. So I'm traveling with you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, what are we gonna do? And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I have Nature's pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, so that's crazy. They're all looking at

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<v Speaker 1>me like we see this is insane. I'm like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a big deal. It's clean. I got it now.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't going to keep it up there the whole time,

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<v Speaker 3>or even I just literally put it like on the

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<v Speaker 3>line up under it because I'm thinking I'll just take

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<v Speaker 3>it out and put.

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<v Speaker 1>It on my first once we've lost tsa girl.

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<v Speaker 3>We was going through custom for four hours, and the

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<v Speaker 3>entire time we were going through customers, they kept saying,

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<v Speaker 3>kill mushrooms is different.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns a fun guy that shit is crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>And honestly, I connect with this because you can't know

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<v Speaker 3>how many times she probably didn't put some shit up

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<v Speaker 3>there before.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you got to go to the doctor and there's glass.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, and LAPD is so fucking crazy and

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<v Speaker 4>they probably were going to try to put her under

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<v Speaker 4>the jail.

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<v Speaker 1>For do em like, have you ever put anything in

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<v Speaker 1>your pussy? No? I mean penis, that's it, fingers. It's

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<v Speaker 1>funny because I was. I was telling my homegirl the story.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys are new here, I'll read share this story.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're old, I've told told the story on

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<v Speaker 2>the pot, I believe. But back when I was just

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<v Speaker 2>craving dick and needed it so bad, so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>fuck on my period. However, this guy came, came in town,

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<v Speaker 2>came into New York, and I fucking wiped pink that morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, bitch, we didn't already made plan.

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<v Speaker 1>We fucking but I don't want to fuck with wait blood.

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<v Speaker 2>So my homegirls had told me the trick of the

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<v Speaker 2>makeup sponges.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, so I didn't learning so much.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically what my friends told me to do was

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<v Speaker 2>take a makeup sponge, like the regular round ones that

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<v Speaker 2>you can get in the bag from CBS or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So you take a round makeup sponge and

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<v Speaker 2>you lub it up and you fold it and put

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<v Speaker 2>it in your pussy. So how do you get it out?

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<v Speaker 2>So let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>So the problem is The problem being a wife of

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<v Speaker 4>an ob is that I know that quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me tell you girls.

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<v Speaker 2>So, because I didn't want the blood, and because this

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<v Speaker 2>was my first time, I was like, I'm gonna put

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<v Speaker 2>two up there just in case. So I looped up

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<v Speaker 2>to put it up. So the trick is, if a

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<v Speaker 2>man goes in your pussy, it just feels like a

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<v Speaker 2>pussy wall. He doesn't even feel that anything is in there.

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<v Speaker 2>So we fucking, we fucking, we fucking we fucking. And

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<v Speaker 2>I had done this, like no, no, at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't done it before.

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<v Speaker 1>This was my first time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do it and I'm like, okay, mind you.

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<v Speaker 2>My nails are like this at the time. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>after we're done federal gatting their pointing. Yeah, really long

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<v Speaker 2>stiletto nails. So this was before I started doing my

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<v Speaker 2>shirt two fingers. So I'm done fucking. My roommate knows

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<v Speaker 2>I did it all and all this stuff, so he leaves,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes to say his hotel, he leaves, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like okay, So I go into the bathroom and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>literally on the toilet and I start doing the kegels.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what my friend said to do, just do

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<v Speaker 2>the little kegels and they should like just start coming

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<v Speaker 2>down and they'll come right out. So I'm literally in

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom on the toilet and now at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>my hands are digging up here. But I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to see a little blood, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel no goddamn spunge.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying and trying. I start freaking out. So I

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<v Speaker 2>go to my fucking roommate. Shout out to Lena. D's

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<v Speaker 2>my home girl. So I go to my roommate and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, bro, I can't get these fucking sponges out

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<v Speaker 2>my pussy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, my fucking who told you up there?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was one of my one of my like

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<v Speaker 2>porn star friends, okay, who have done it on set before.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, she just knew I did it, but she's

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<v Speaker 2>never done it. She's like what the fuck. She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck you mean? They're not coming out? I said, Bro,

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<v Speaker 2>these fucking sponges. I don't know where they're at, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're fucking not coming out. I need your help. So

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<v Speaker 2>she goes into the kitchen. She grabs the yellow kitchen glove. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>when we go back into the bathroom. I cock my

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<v Speaker 2>leg up on the tub and my friend starts.

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<v Speaker 1>Digging in my fusty to pull these gud damn sit out.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, bro, but she got she felt him.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, oh I think I got it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh yeah, I feel it. Okay, grab it out,

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<v Speaker 1>grab it out. And then I was like, there's one

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<v Speaker 1>more in there. You gotta go back in there. There's

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<v Speaker 1>one more in there. You gotta go back in.

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<v Speaker 2>And she literally and I was like, oh my god, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like the best. So I just told my best

0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:27.080
<v Speaker 2>friend Crystal this because Lena was like reminding her, like

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<v Speaker 2>even adding more of the details to the story. And Crystal,

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<v Speaker 2>who's my best friend? She number one of the eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, Oh, you might love her more than I do, because.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to bitch. You did what you would

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<v Speaker 1>have knew it for a friend.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't put your hand up of friends, Vagina to

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<v Speaker 2>gain some fanatical your husband does like this's your that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I would get a tool.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But she had a glove on. She had a glovehnet.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I probably would do it, but I don't talk

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<v Speaker 4>about it forever, and I would never not talk about

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<v Speaker 4>it for the rest of our life, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The crazy part about it. And he saw me from

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<v Speaker 2>want it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just the next time. I only put one up though.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get it out? Oh? Yeah, which is so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I think maybe the two was too much

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<v Speaker 2>problem because the one, Oh it was, it was, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've only done it on day one. I would never

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<v Speaker 2>do that if I was on a heavy flow, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim mistakes?

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<v Speaker 3>Just like, hey, a condom will also take care of

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<v Speaker 3>the blood tooe.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean, It's not like it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm not fucking with no goddamn bloh blah

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<v Speaker 2>for real. Bro Okay, Tracy, she's just stay trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get me to be bloody like her so she will

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<v Speaker 2>blow you read fun shit I did.

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<v Speaker 3>Hypothetically speaking, Yes, you could only read books for the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of your life. Okay, but it's the same twenty books.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you rather read those same twenty books or give

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<v Speaker 3>up books and have unlimited television?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me the same twenty books? Oh wow, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean your top three faves?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you enjoy reading books again? Is that I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I've just I'm new into the world of rereading in

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<v Speaker 4>the last since in the last few years, I've reread

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<v Speaker 4>a few books and I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>The only books that I have re read, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was in my twenties. Wore those erotica books from back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day, like reading Sister Soljia Coldest Once. Ever

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<v Speaker 2>as an adult, I was I was like, now, bitch,

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<v Speaker 2>why the fuck were you reading this at eleven?

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<v Speaker 4>Like literally everyone who comes on the podcast and talks

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<v Speaker 4>about those books like I read them at ten, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know why any adult was letting me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I know, literally, and I talk about it like

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<v Speaker 2>in in in the in our book, I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>my journey of erotica, and we'll talk about the history

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<v Speaker 2>of erotica later, but I literally talk about going from

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<v Speaker 2>books to message boards to just wanting to have my

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<v Speaker 2>pussy thump while I read words.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you actually get horny at all? Or at talking

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<v Speaker 1>to horns?

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<v Speaker 3>Moments of no holes word I'm guessing them now, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>definitely that chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we didn't get you off anyway, I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 1>that's the color.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure that was where I think I put the most

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<v Speaker 2>sexual detail sure.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing is that I'm reading for work, so it's

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<v Speaker 4>a different I'm not like she used to masturmate it work.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>If there's a spectrum of like horniness, I'm probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>That close to you. Guys. Thank you, Thanks that I

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<v Speaker 1>read the book. I knew she was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to know. It doesn't leak all the time. I

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<v Speaker 1>just say what I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Since we're not shaming people for their sexual identities, lady, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like not as sex forwards. Don't be like I

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<v Speaker 1>hearing you say that, I would think, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I grow with book pod weepy girl, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're pretty beautiful. I meaning you, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I see it. You see what I just see sexy

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<v Speaker 1>in it? So to me, oh my god, I've clipped

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<v Speaker 1>that and put it everywhere. I'm sexy. Thank you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>not that nobody ever is like Tracy sexy.

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<v Speaker 4>I heard this thing from that, but I but also,

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<v Speaker 4>when I'm reading for work, it's sitting up at the desk.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not it's not even like taking notes. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>taking notes. I'm in and out of chapters. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 4>about questions. I'm thinking also, like what was this choice structurally?

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<v Speaker 4>Like what like I'm I'm analyzing the thing, so I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not really like enjoying the thing in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you are a Horrehive member and not doing

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<v Speaker 2>this for work, I need you to read the book

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<v Speaker 2>like this. There you go in bed on your couch,

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<v Speaker 2>just just be ready.

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<v Speaker 1>That actually doesn't here you get that horny, I get horny.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if I'm reading it in a public place, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta act you're a.

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<v Speaker 1>Public corny person.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh public you are. No, I know I read the book.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a podcast, I'm i it's a little later.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we'll record the pot at like nine or ten am.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why if you're watching on YouTube, we normally

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<v Speaker 2>have coffee. We literally have to get this horny sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>at nine thirty in the morning over coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about day honest with you, doesn't take me much. Okay, No,

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<v Speaker 3>I really need to hear this. Those in those twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five books, twenty books, whatever it was. I really need

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<v Speaker 3>to know the top three.

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<v Speaker 4>Because we the top three books that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>pick to read for the rest of my life are

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<v Speaker 4>my top favorite books because those are different book. But

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<v Speaker 4>I want to tell you why this question is so

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<v Speaker 4>important for me to hear. Every day online we see

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<v Speaker 4>the same book circulating, even you bring it up Malcolm Bladwell,

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 4>who was great, he's over here here, even everyone bringing

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<v Speaker 4>up Coldest Winsterever when we talk saying what are the

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<v Speaker 4>deep cuts?

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<v Speaker 1>We need? Deep cuts?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, well, I don't know that those would be in

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<v Speaker 4>my three Okay for the twenty My strategy for the

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<v Speaker 4>twenty books, so I would the twenty book. The strategy

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<v Speaker 4>for my twenty books would be to pick bigger books

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<v Speaker 4>that are like really sort of dense, big story.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would maybe go like Count of Monte Cristo. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's too long.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, but I only got twenty books for the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of my life, so I'm trying to maximize. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>going to go with the one fifty novels.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say go ahead and say, Harry Potter, yes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I have never read those. You're a book reader. I

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<v Speaker 1>have never fu k Rowlings. Well, and that's now why

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't read them.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't read them as a kid because I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>older than them.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was a little bit older.

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<v Speaker 4>I was on the old end of when they came out,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I think I was in high school when they

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<v Speaker 4>came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe so I was if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Were in middle school then to read after Erotica came Goosebumps,

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<v Speaker 2>then came Babysitters Club, Had the then came.

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<v Speaker 1>Potter, not Twilight. For that reason, I didn't read Twilight.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't read College and Twilight, but so I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>read Harry Potter at the time. I also am not

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<v Speaker 4>really a fantasy reader. My personal taste skews much heavy

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<v Speaker 4>towards nonfiction, so it wasn't something that I would have read.

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<v Speaker 1>And then J. K.

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<v Speaker 4>Rowling is a fucking transphobic, cunt ass bitch, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was like absolutely, And I'm just like, why would I

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<v Speaker 4>go back now and support her?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many books in the world that.

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<v Speaker 2>I when I get the butter beer, you knowing her?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think, I think you are bitch. I

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<v Speaker 1>love world. I never Harry Potter thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It is cool for people to need, like not not

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<v Speaker 3>just visiting, but like the what it created for people

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<v Speaker 3>that feel community.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Love Harry Potter, if you already love Harry Potter. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>if you are an adult who has was introduced to

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<v Speaker 4>Harry Potter as a kid, it made you felt seen,

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 4>it made you feel whatever. If it means something to you,

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<v Speaker 4>that is your thing, and that's something you can grapple with.

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<v Speaker 4>But for me, a full grown adult, I don't feel

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<v Speaker 4>like I don't need to feel seen by a woman

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<v Speaker 4>who's transphobic and hates so many of the people that

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<v Speaker 4>I love existence and is putting money trying to make

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<v Speaker 4>legislation to make trans women basif killed. It's not just

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 4>you talking, right, So for me, it's just like, what

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<v Speaker 4>am I Like? There's nothing for me here, even if

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<v Speaker 4>the books were the best books ever. It's just like

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 4>there's so much like I could also just read Tony Morrison,

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, like I could just hear you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>there's James Baldwin books I've never read. I'm reading Invisible

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<v Speaker 4>Man by Ralph Ellison for the first time ever right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say, that's some of the that's there, right.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm just like, why would I go back and

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 4>read this bitch when there's so many great writers that

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 4>I haven't read that I could read, you know, So

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<v Speaker 4>like that's my thing, But you're a great.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer because we needed to hear that.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, so we need the three that you said

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<v Speaker 3>kind of run of Crystal.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just okay. I also, this is really nerdy me.

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<v Speaker 4>I would take my Shakespeare complete works, my big giant

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:16.400
<v Speaker 4>Shakespeare with that's hard to hate it, Okay, I love Shakespeare.

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 4>I think you would like it. You've been taught it, bere.

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 4>I just went to Othello, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 4>heard that.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have only you could have said all this

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<v Speaker 1>in one sentence. Why you like? It was just two

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>fella's literally one of my fast Oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not gonna lie. I love her. Oh, I

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 2>like it's so much drama in tea production. Denzel Washington,

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 2>from what I've been told, is not a good production.

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>He's too old to play the part. I love Denzel.

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>It's supposed to be like a twenty five year old man.

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<v Speaker 1>There's ill shaved to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't like that they put it in modern

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>day and then you keep the Shakespeare in play.

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>They had them in army outfits. I love Othello, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all, I I guessed it up in another episode. But also,

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<v Speaker 2>oh basketball, oh my.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Hartner. I love Julia the Woman. Okay, sorry, we

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>are crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry I'm gonna say.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to say Song of Solomon by Tony Morrison.

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 4>That's a juicy book. I think I could reread that

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<v Speaker 4>about five to ten times back to back and find

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 4>new things and feel new ways about it. So those

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<v Speaker 4>would be my three, like Desert Island for unpacking purposes books,

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<v Speaker 4>your three favorites we need, Okay, I'm currently I'm currently,

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<v Speaker 4>like really obsessed with the Hunger game series. I read

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 4>it in twenty ten or whatever. I don't but I

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 4>read it in twos and ten and I loved it.

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 4>And there's a new book that came out this year

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 4>that I still haven't read yet, and I went back

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 4>and I reread the original first three and they're so

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 4>fucking good.

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I love so good.

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 4>They are fantasy to me, but they almost feel more

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 4>like speculative fiction. Like I know they're science fiction elements

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 4>to it, but it feels so real and like rooted,

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 4>and she just does such a good job.

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'm just really into those right now. So right

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>now the games.

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<v Speaker 4>One of my favorite memoirs of all time is a

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 4>book called Heavy by Kisa Layman. You know, and then

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<v Speaker 4>number three, number three, I guess, I guess I'll go

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 4>Soula by Tony Morrison.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's actually I can't, no, no, I got, I can't.

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>I gotta.

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 4>I gotta take out Hunger Games because I'm being disrespectful

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 4>to my actual like most favorite important book to me,

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 4>which is Into Thin Air by John Krockaur. That's my

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 4>gateway into nonfiction. It's about the nineteen ninety six trying

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 4>to summit Mount Everest and lots of people die. It's

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 4>like the deadliest year on Mount Everest. It was the

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 4>deadliest year in Mount Everest history until twenty twenty three.

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 4>But this writer, John Crocker, he wrote Into the Wild

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 4>that they turned into that movie. He wrote Under the

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 4>Banner of Heaven about the Mormons that they turned into

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 4>a show.

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 1>He's like, my.

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Favorite, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna geek out just a

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>little bit. I'm gonna name my three real quick. Two

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>of them actually came from childhood, Okay, that I was

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 2>forced to read and I went back and reread them.

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I love them.

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 4>So the Giver, Oh, we did that on the podcast Giver.

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 4>I did my mom Incredible Animal Farm. I read that

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 4>for the first time this year is.

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Animal Wait, you just love Animal Farm?

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 4>In Oakland, California, we never required to read it, right

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 4>in Florida, I mean, yeah, we read different ship.

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I know I didn't. I didn't read a lot.

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 4>Of things that people were supposed to read, and the

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 4>Animal I didn't especially like.

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Where we're at now, it's like, oh God, oh fucking good.

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>And then uh, nonfiction Oprah Winfrey is what I know

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I never read it.

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Girl, I do love Oprah, But that that one right there, Well,

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 2>we were talking about the writing process for our book,

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the comps that kept coming to me, and the two

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>memoirs by women that I liked and how they told

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>their stories.

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Was Oprah Winfrey what I know for sure? And then

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Gabrielle Union's We're Gonna Need More Wine one those per

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 1>second one I didn't like as much.

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I couldn't even get into it.

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I finished the We're Gonna Need More Wine like this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was thinking, I feel like I want to

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>go erotica. Just let me go erotica. Let's get reader.

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh you're going to go erotica?

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I thought you were so need to talk about erotica.

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't know that. We're giving you

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>the history of erotica. Can you get into a little.

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Bit of the other stuff, but top to erotica.

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I'll be faster.

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 3>We can get to it. Rent Boy by Gary Indiana.

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I love gay sex stories. I would say coldest one ever.

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Number two and number one for me is Tampas Nutting.

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something like that.

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 2>And I remember her last name being Nutting because I

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>was like, that's nasty Tampa for me.

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I like, fucked up. Give me incest, fucking.

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Crazy shit because I'm so over sexed out sometimes.

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>And you gotta be shocked. It's got to go far.

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>You just reading Animal Pharma is so crazy. Okay. So,

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and I hated the movie The Giver. It didn't do

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the book justice. Yeah, not good. I didn't watch it.

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Real Street isn't it. I don't know, but they didn't

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 2>do it General Street.

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Why do I think Meryl Streep is in it? Fact check?

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<v Speaker 1>I will. So we're going to go into our reactionary segment.

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 1>We're going to play you a clip.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, We're all gonna watch it, and we're going to

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 3>talk about what the fuck we think about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, and I do see a lot of black women

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 5>that will hate on a black man for dat and

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 5>a white woman, but if the white man dates a

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 5>black woman.

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>He's almost praised for it.

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 5>I saw a guy the other day and his account

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 5>was man seeking mananated women, and he had like three

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 5>hundred thousand lives. If I was supposed that, I would

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 5>absolutely be slandered. And I don't think there's anything wrong

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 5>with any one dating anyone because we literally fought for

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 5>unity and thought to be able to love each other.

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 5>You do see that the contrast of when a black

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 5>man dates a white woman, I'll get comment saying like

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 5>it's a fetish to you, Like what, I can't just

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 5>love somebody?

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<v Speaker 1>The world is full of hypocrites. If we want equality

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and we want everybody kumba, you can't be mad. If

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not everyone separate, then cool be mad?

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Now is there?

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Well? I don't like you talked about my ex. I

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the they just said.

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, no, I don't girl, Liz, I don't know what

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 2>they say about Then as generation day conversation.

0:33:58.200 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, we can also have a discussion. That's why I

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 1>brought it up.

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.959
<v Speaker 3>So when hearing people say shit like black love can

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 3>be hypocritical or celebrating white men dating black women. Gabby Citibrate,

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.360
<v Speaker 3>her husband is white.

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:16.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he loves her. He'd be talking about her all

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 4>the time. He loves her down and I'll have twins.

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to her. She's a whore hive member. She'd

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 1>be in our comments.

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 3>And I want to call a spades bade here. Gabby

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.280
<v Speaker 3>is plus eze and a dark skinned woman. She dated

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 3>a white guy. I feel like we don't have a

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 3>lot of conversation about black men and how critical they

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 3>can be of dark skinned women and plus side.

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:39.439
<v Speaker 1>As women when they go the other way.

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Is there something you think that we're getting wires crossed

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 3>me when it comes to white guys dating black women,

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 3>because we do look at it.

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Like, yes, this find the one who will love you.

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 2>That was the first thing I did when I saw

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 2>Gabby's man. But when I see black men and white women,

0:34:58.360 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, you can.

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Keep well, you know, so I should be transparent.

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 4>I am the product of a black man and a

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 4>white woman, and my husband is white, so I am

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, pro miscegenation right there? Okay, loving mers Virginia

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 4>big Fan, I think It's complicated because I think when

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 4>we talk about these things broadly, I can have opinions,

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 4>but personally that doesn't necessarily mean what like works for individuals,

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, like I'm not going to say that Gabriel

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:37.880
<v Speaker 4>Sidibe's husband is chasing Melanie and like, I don't know him, right,

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 4>and so they seem to be happy. He seems to

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 4>be an adoring partner and an adoring husband, and she

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 4>seems to be very in love with her children, and they,

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, like they seem to be very happy. I

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 4>don't know them, and I think that's great. But I

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:54.760
<v Speaker 4>also understand that there are white men who fetishize women

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 4>of color, black women, Asian women especially. That's a big thing,

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 4>and so I think think like there should be heat

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 4>for that broadly, fetishizing people, race or any or anything,

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 4>to like treat people as an identifier, to be like

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 4>I only like, you know, plus size women, or I

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.879
<v Speaker 4>only like skinny women, as if that is the thing

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 4>that makes a person a person.

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Gotcha? Can you tell me how does uh you know?

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 3>In dating, we'll keep up with your husband fifteen years

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 3>so such a long time. But is there a thing

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 3>because I remember when I was dating everyone. I never

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 3>really thought i'd really end up with a white guy,

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 3>but I was dating for a long term.

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 1>If they dated a lot of.

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Black women before me, that's a thing, yeah, I didn't like.

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 3>But then I also didn't like if they've never dated

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 3>a black person before. Tell me a little bit about

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 3>what that was like with you today.

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 4>So I was very young when we met. I was

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 4>twenty four. Okay, so I'm thirty eight for people doing

0:36:56.320 --> 0:37:01.800
<v Speaker 4>the math, it's fine thirty nine this year. And I

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:03.760
<v Speaker 4>don't think i'd really thought about a lot of this stuff.

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 4>I grew up in Oakland. I grew up in the

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.880
<v Speaker 4>Bay Area, lots of mixed kids. It's mixed kid capital

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 4>at the Blaze, everything like the kind of if there's

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 4>a possibility, we got it.

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 1>It's fusion. It's fusion cuisine over there.

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:22.719
<v Speaker 4>And so I don't think I had thought about what

0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 4>it meant politically socially until after I was already with

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:28.760
<v Speaker 4>mister Stax.

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I really had.

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:34.359
<v Speaker 4>We met in twenty ten, and you know, we talked

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 4>about this on my show about like growth and the

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:40.280
<v Speaker 4>ways you've changed, and when we met, like I really

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 4>wasn't as politically mind died as I am when it

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 4>comes to racial politics. This was this predates like Trayvon Martin,

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 4>which for me was sort of like a big awakening

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 4>around race. Even though yeah, like it was a big

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 4>deal for me, it really hearing people talk about the

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 4>trial and like the things that people were saying about

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 4>stand your ground, and that was really for me when

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 4>I started to realize in a much it's not that

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 4>I didn't realize racism existed, but it was for me

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:13.720
<v Speaker 4>when I started to realize how different racial groups, experiences

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 4>of the world, the country could be. And so, but

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 4>I was already with mister Sacks at that point for

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 4>two and a half years, three years, and so I

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 4>didn't really ask a lot of those questions. And again,

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 4>when you grow up in a place where a lot

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 4>of your friends come you know your friends have a

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Filipino mom and a black dad there, I don't think

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 4>those questions get asked, whereas I think some for a

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 4>lot of mixed kids who come from places where they're

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.760
<v Speaker 4>the only mixed kid in the community or there's very few,

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 4>there are questions about what does it mean to be

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 4>like the only one?

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I never felt like the only one. I wasn't really

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>answered because it's so honest.

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 3>We always want to hold black women super accountable for

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 3>how things make them feel, and we don't really give

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 3>black people a space to be like I didn't really know.

0:38:58.800 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you knew.

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:06.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like well, and my so my dad, it was.

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 1>My dad black, and he was a lot older than

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>my mom.

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 4>He grew up he was from Louisiana, part of the

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 4>Great Migration, but grew up during you know, drim Crow

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 4>Solevil rights. He was born in nineteen thirty five. Oh way,

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 4>so he didn't get the right to vote till he

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 4>was thirty thirty something. Yeah, right, like so like different era.

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 4>And he always talked about like racism twice as good,

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.719
<v Speaker 4>like that whole thing. That was very much part in

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 4>my mind, right, And it was like you gotta you

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 4>have to have black friends, you have Like he was

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 4>very much that, but also was my dad. And so

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 4>you're a kid and you're like, he doesn't know he's

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:42.240
<v Speaker 4>talking about.

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>My mom, right.

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 4>And I also remember being like he would like I

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 4>remember the OJ trial being such a big deal to him,

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 4>and like I remember years later I read a book

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 4>about OJ, and I told my dad was like, I

0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 4>think OJ did it and my dad was like, I

0:39:56.000 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 4>don't care. They planted evidence, they tried to frame him,

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 4>and he deserved to get off.

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>And that was like a.

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.360
<v Speaker 4>Huge moment in I think that was and eight thousand

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 4>and nine, for the like one of the first times

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 4>that it clicked to me what my dad had really

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 4>been saying, right like that, It like that there was.

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 6>A political agenda, agenda, like a political worldview that was

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 6>more input than any individual event.

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 4>And so that you know predates me having met my

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 4>husband by a few years, but like all of that

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 4>kind of coming together in that period of my life

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 4>from like nineteen to twenty five was really when I

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 4>started to think about race and like what it means

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 4>to be mixed, and like what the what the political

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 4>implications are of having a white mom and a black dad,

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 4>right and all of these things and so and.

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Now you're the opposite.

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 4>Now we're the opposite, right exactly. And people have a

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 4>lot of opinions about my relationship and my upbringing and

0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 4>all of these things, and that is for them to have.

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 4>I feel like, I don't know about you guys, but

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 4>like it's hard to really think too critically about your

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 4>racial identity when you're a mixed because I think it's

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 4>I think it can be really uncomfortable. Like the fact

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 4>of the matter is I have a white mom and

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 4>a black dad, and there's nothing that I can do

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 4>about it. So like going into a place where I'm

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 4>like it means this or it means that is hard

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 4>because it's like, so I just shouldn't exist rightly.

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>God, Tracy, you know, mine is harder today than as

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:35.319
<v Speaker 2>a kid because I love my dad who is Israeli, right,

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and hate everything that's happening.

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:40.760
<v Speaker 4>Right Well, I'm black and Jewish. Also my mom's Jewish,

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 4>So I'm so I were flipped. Yeah, but I but

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 4>we have this shared sort of free Palestine. And also

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 4>this is part of I mean my mom is is

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 4>uh European Jewish, not Israeli Jewish.

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.239
<v Speaker 1>But but this is also a reason why.

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 3>And I'm joking and being facetious when I say this.

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 3>I saw this stuff of doctoring Marvi and.

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Like no rice, no ice, no spice, just you know,

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:04.360
<v Speaker 2>just black.

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, mixed kids are fucked up. Not one

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 3>of my mixed hone girls, not one, not one has

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:15.359
<v Speaker 3>not expressed identity issues with me, hating their hair, being

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 3>unsure feeling fucked up.

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.359
<v Speaker 1>The ones with white moms genuinely.

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 3>Seemed to skew more into like this savior complex with

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 3>certain shit with white people, and then the otherwise it's

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 3>weird as fuck. And I think when you have parents

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.800
<v Speaker 3>of the same race, whatever they may be, Asian, Latino, whatever,

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 3>there is something that's a little bit easier. And so

0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 3>then I would ask you just to wrap it. What

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:40.840
<v Speaker 3>is a difficult conversation you had that end well with

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.800
<v Speaker 3>your husband about oh my god, we're pregnant for raising

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 3>these two mixed kids, how are we gonna do this?

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 3>What was the point and of course related to race,

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 3>like what was something that really shaped parenting for you guys?

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, you know, I think like.

0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 4>We've had so many conversations about race over the years,

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 4>there isn't one that we had specifically about like the twins,

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 4>because the.

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Girls are boy boys, so they're well, eventually you'll probably

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 2>have to talk to them about existing as black.

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 4>Sure exactly, and and they're extremely fair.

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay that my my, this is so weird.

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:21.960
<v Speaker 4>But like one of my bigger fears for them is

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:23.919
<v Speaker 4>that they're going to be in spaces where people don't

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:26.800
<v Speaker 4>know that they're black and they're going to experience racism

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 4>like sort of like undercover. Oh, and I'm really worried

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:34.319
<v Speaker 4>about that, like I especially when they're younger, Like I think,

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, when they get older, they will understand, but

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:41.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm worried like the first time someone says something racist

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 4>about black people to them, like out a sleepover or something, and.

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 1>They don't know that they're black.

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 4>Well they don't and they don't know how to respond,

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 4>and they don't like and I'm worried. You know, think

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 4>about being like eight and someone's saying something talking about

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 4>your parent or something without.

0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 1>This fear you have is real.

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 3>My boyfriend told me, he's like, it's always a mixed

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 3>people that be going hard, like Angela Davis and Malcolm

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 3>X and shit. He's like, this is why you're like this,

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 3>because you existed in spaces where people were like I

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 3>gonna talk about black people. Maybe she's seeing it, maybe

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 3>she's something else I'm gonna talk. And he's like, whether

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 3>you can remember a moment or not, you heard it, Yeah,

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 3>mixed kids get to have that, yeah, And I think like, yeah,

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 3>so I think that's one of the things that we've

0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:27.919
<v Speaker 3>talked about that I'm really concerned about is like that experience.

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 4>Because also, I mean, I think that they look black,

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 4>and I think black people think that they look black,

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 4>but I know white people don't can't tell.

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>That's like, Okay, hold on, is Rashida Jones black? She's black?

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Can we see? Yes? She looks black. I don't do

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.520
<v Speaker 1>it on the office, and now I see it every day.

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Rashida Jones looks black as hell to me on the office.

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.759
<v Speaker 1>I said it, did y'all see it? I knew she

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:51.280
<v Speaker 1>was before I ever saw.

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:55.799
<v Speaker 3>The harness Rashida Jones on Black af Rashida Jones and

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 3>other movies?

0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:58.239
<v Speaker 1>What was it? This is forty. You don't think she

0:44:58.239 --> 0:44:59.240
<v Speaker 1>looks black? Bitch?

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 4>No, she if she walked in a room, you wouldn't

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:02.720
<v Speaker 4>think that's a black woman.

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I would think she's spicy white. No, not black at all.

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:07.240
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't even black features.

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:08.279
<v Speaker 1>She looks black.

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 4>Quincy Jones, that's Quincy Jones's daughter, that's Keydata Jones's sister.

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Crazy her. And I don't think Megan Markle looks black?

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay you are? Are?

0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 7>That is crazy? I look black and Megan Markle, bitch,

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 7>you got me fucked up like you love gushed to

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 7>meet fucking black Megan Marcle. That's why she exists as

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:28.239
<v Speaker 7>a passive woman.

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 2>She only even likes her blackness because of how she

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 2>gets treated there and.

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 1>You're literally dying. One thing.

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:36.399
<v Speaker 4>I have a I have a lot of thoughts about

0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 4>Megan Markle, But one of the things about Megan Markle

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.239
<v Speaker 4>that drives me crazy is she always talks about how

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 4>nobody knows she's black, And I'm like, black people know

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:43.760
<v Speaker 4>you are black.

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.760
<v Speaker 1>You're telling me this woman, don't. She could have passed.

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 2>She don't look black, couldn't pass. She could be a

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 2>pass She could pass back in the thirties. She could

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:53.399
<v Speaker 2>have passed as a white woman like that.

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Girl and still pull her up as a kid with

0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 1>her nappy hair. This is her hottest take of all time.

0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 1>This is what's not It is real. People is listening, like,

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, don't look like I literally, I literally when.

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 2>I saw her little documentary, I was like, Oh, you're

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 2>only leaning into the blackness because now you're experiencing racism.

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 1>She's she was existing. There's a non black woman her

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 1>whole live she was.

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:19.720
<v Speaker 2>They only added the little the little Black Daddy because

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 2>of Okay, wait, pa she don't look pause pause, pause

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 2>pause when the announcement, did you know who she was

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 2>before the announcement came out?

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>You did?

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 4>So?

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>You knew her from suit and she looked like white

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:33.120
<v Speaker 1>woman own suit. Okay, so I've never seen her, never

0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 1>heard of her.

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Having a black daddy is saying a bo racial you

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:37.359
<v Speaker 4>never seen her. I've never seen her, never heard of her.

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 4>The announcement comes out, Prince Harry is engaged. I see No,

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:43.719
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't say just as I Prince Harry is engaged.

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I see her. I said, oh my god, we're going

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.759
<v Speaker 1>to the palace. She is black as hell.

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 4>To me, she could pass. That's what I hate about

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 4>her is that she wishes she could pass. I'm like,

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 4>we see you. My first comment and stunt. I watched

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 4>close of her act.

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Seeing photos on together, and I said, oh she was

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 1>she was a little girl. I remember, she wish she was.

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she likes this. She's black, honey, don't matter.

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>She don't look like.

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually not gonna speak on a black woman not

0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 2>liking Macdemian black, but.

0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, based off the documentary.

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.240
<v Speaker 2>I saw, yeah, like she had that.

0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying she also tried to be like,

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 1>we never talked about race. Do you see what I mean?

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:20.839
<v Speaker 1>But that's what I don't.

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 4>That's something that makes me mad about her, because let's

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 4>just do a little let's do her little dramaturgy.

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:25.919
<v Speaker 2>Here.

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.239
<v Speaker 1>She is forty one or forty two. I believe she's

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>from LA.

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 4>She went to high school right kind of like oh

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 4>my kids, Yeah, right north of Koreatown. She went to

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:37.839
<v Speaker 4>school right north of Koreatown, like on Western on your

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 4>way up to Griffith Park. She would have been ten

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 4>or eleven when the La riots happened. Don't fucking tell

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 4>me you didn't talk about race when that was happening.

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.359
<v Speaker 4>When I don't tell me you never thought about race

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 4>as a kid, say that was the thing to me

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 4>where I'm like, and with your mom, you don't think

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 4>your mom just casually mentioned well, Rodney King Darling, like,

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.399
<v Speaker 4>are you fucking kidding me? That's what makes me mad

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.919
<v Speaker 4>about her. It's not that she looks how she looks.

0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 4>She looks how she but.

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Also look how your mom looks.

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna tell me race wasn't talk about because

0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:08.359
<v Speaker 2>you also are so much fatter than your mom.

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 4>Yes, there's not not that much but not that no,

0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:12.239
<v Speaker 4>not that much of a black lady.

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>But there's always conversations and households. I know, me and

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 2>my homegirl talk about like how her all of her siblings,

0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 2>they all have the same mom and same dad. She's

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 2>dark skinned, So even within a household of different shades

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 2>of brown, the conversation around.

0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 4>Yes, race and skin. Yes, that's the part about her

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.960
<v Speaker 4>that makes me mad. Not even that she doesn't want

0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 4>to be black, like fine, whatever, that's if she If

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 4>she doesn't feel comfortable, whatever, that's her thing, that's her journey.

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 4>But don't sit here and lie on your mom and

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 4>the fucking world in nineteen ninety two and like today,

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:42.959
<v Speaker 4>and then.

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Followed up immediately by OJ, she's here in.

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:47.279
<v Speaker 2>This city and hey, yeah, I ain't talk about no

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:49.799
<v Speaker 2>gad Yeah race you I know you fucking talked about

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:50.320
<v Speaker 2>it in class.

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Probably all the white girls are probably so scared to

0:48:53.400 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 1>go to Koreatown, right, like you know exactly, So.

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:05.360
<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't do us justice to not make this episode

0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:08.279
<v Speaker 3>about erotica, because literally, you know, when we're doing a

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 3>pod together and you're like, let's do the cross what

0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 3>pot I'm like, are we gonna talk about twins, No,

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:14.760
<v Speaker 3>We'll talk about erotica.

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 4>OK, So I feel like I'd be better at twins

0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 4>than at erotica.

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:21.120
<v Speaker 3>No, but the history of erotica is still is super interesting.

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 3>So now in Decisions Decisions, we talk about the history

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:26.040
<v Speaker 3>of different elements of sex.

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and erotica is that.

0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:31.560
<v Speaker 3>So erotica took a hit during the Victorian era, which

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:33.360
<v Speaker 3>to me is no surprise because that's when you saw.

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>The course set taties.

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 3>So it says puritanical ideals were dominating mainstream culture so

0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:43.880
<v Speaker 3>much that the novels became so taboo, considered low brow,

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:47.839
<v Speaker 3>and the quality of writing was dropping just because they

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:52.400
<v Speaker 3>thought sex was bottom tier. And so it didn't get

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 3>to hit mainstream again until the twentieth century, when great

0:49:56.239 --> 0:50:01.279
<v Speaker 3>writers Kate Chopin, Nabokov, Henry Miller began to publish more

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 3>explicit books through traditional means. Since then, erotica is considered

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:08.040
<v Speaker 3>part of mainstream culture.

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Romance is a top three book don't want to read.

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 3>And so the internet then took over culture climate, which

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 3>made fan fiction should I used to read of erotica,

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.799
<v Speaker 3>And I must say I didn't even really think about

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.520
<v Speaker 3>fan fiction and erotica, but when we talk about history,

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:26.839
<v Speaker 3>it's such a big part of it.

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 1>It is in the book.

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 2>I believe it's my chapter around masturbation and loving myself.

0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I joke that I used to sit at the computer

0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.280
<v Speaker 2>and get fucking wet and sit in a puddle reading

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:45.120
<v Speaker 2>about getting a gang bang by the b two K

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:48.120
<v Speaker 2>boys Chris Brown and bow Wow, And I'm like, why

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:50.959
<v Speaker 2>the fuck was I thirteen wanted to be gang bang

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:54.439
<v Speaker 2>by all the guys that I liked. Listening to Girl

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:56.799
<v Speaker 2>making us on our Nie shows you how far the

0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Internet has come.

0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 1>We need so much now, not only porn. You gotta

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:04.720
<v Speaker 1>come out through AI, you gotta VR. Oh my god.

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I just saw okay, don't judge me.

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 2>So on my following tab because all I do is

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:17.360
<v Speaker 2>follow porn stars on X. I came across the AI

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 2>pictures of porn and so it's these women that literally

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 2>lay like this, and so it's big titties and a

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:28.480
<v Speaker 2>leaking vagina with the Buddha hole just winking at you.

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I was still turned on.

0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like this AI image of this thick bussy

0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:39.320
<v Speaker 2>leaking pussy, but them.

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:43.359
<v Speaker 1>I love. I was like, I don't think I red.

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Is it because they look perfect?

0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:45.520
<v Speaker 4>Bitch?

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Perfect? Okay, see I get turned hard flaws. I'm talking

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 1>like I need a little cell you like, and it was.

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Oiled up, bitch, I said, I might have book marked it.

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 2>That shit looked so good.

0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Damn Tracy times to get uncomfortable, book girl.

0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:03.439
<v Speaker 2>If you had to get off from some porn, would

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 2>you rather read it or watch it?

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:06.120
<v Speaker 6>Hmmm?

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I think read because then you can sort of imagine.

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.800
<v Speaker 4>M Yes, I think like like because I feel like

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:19.880
<v Speaker 4>sometimes when you watch, like something will happen and I'm like, oh,

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:22.799
<v Speaker 4>I don't like that, Like it'll like get in the way.

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:27.799
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like when you're reading, like I don't know,

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it allows you to imagine this.

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah what e Rodica has made you feel that

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:33.760
<v Speaker 3>way where you were like, wow, this is that powerful.

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm thinking, okay, don't judge, don't judge me, don't

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:38.759
<v Speaker 3>judge me me.

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:42.080
<v Speaker 1>The first time I ever read something where I was

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:45.759
<v Speaker 1>like was fifty Shades of Gray? Really, but this was

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.560
<v Speaker 1>fifteen sixteen years ago. No, but that's so so.

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.120
<v Speaker 4>I was like real, I was really into the like

0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 4>rich rich, rich, rich, dumb thing. I was like, this

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:01.799
<v Speaker 4>is great. No, wonder that was my favorite chapter here,

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:04.719
<v Speaker 4>yours wasn't rich like that. It wasn't like I'm really well,

0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't rich like yeh wasn't he wasn't a Christian,

0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.440
<v Speaker 4>he wasn't Christian gray, but but I get it. But

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 4>I like was into that also again, I was like

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 4>twenty three, twenty four, and so that kind of like

0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:28.000
<v Speaker 4>now when I think back on it, I'm embarrassed by

0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:32.080
<v Speaker 4>liking it because the relationship dynamics were so fucked and

0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:35.360
<v Speaker 4>it was not really like consens yeah really like but

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 4>but it was like it did turn me on.

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I was like excited by it.

0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:42.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm only gonna agree with you as well because for me,

0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:47.759
<v Speaker 2>the way my mind and pussy worked together while I

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.640
<v Speaker 2>read Addicted by Zane, and the way it didn't translate

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:54.319
<v Speaker 2>for me in the film, like, I was really glad

0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:55.320
<v Speaker 2>that they had bors Kujo.

0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Let's be very clear that Nigga is fine.

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 2>He was black and black, he looks black mixed, right,

0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:05.799
<v Speaker 2>he is, He's German, He's from German, right. If him

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:09.080
<v Speaker 2>and his wife want me to join and will anytime

0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:10.120
<v Speaker 2>of else and he.

0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Ti they could be a couple of seven if they wanted.

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 2>But when the movie came out, it didn't even feel

0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:25.080
<v Speaker 2>as sexy and and addicted was I probably read that

0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 2>after your Coldest Winter Ever, and addicted got me obsessed

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:32.880
<v Speaker 2>with all of Zane's books. Went from that to Chocolate series,

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:37.040
<v Speaker 2>that chocolate, you know, all the things, and I was like, Wow,

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:40.760
<v Speaker 2>this movie failed in the sex department for this book

0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:42.560
<v Speaker 2>that was literally all set.

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.400
<v Speaker 3>But that's the thing too, It's like it's so imaginative, right, i'mlike,

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.399
<v Speaker 3>with fifty Shades of Gray, you've being able to do that.

0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:52.000
<v Speaker 2>For me, reading Fifty Shades of Gray enjoyed it. I

0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:54.520
<v Speaker 2>had read so many really kinky books. I would go

0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 2>to a banned book section and just keep digging, right,

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think I got excited by fifty Shades even

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 2>though I was super young, because I knew everybody else

0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:07.880
<v Speaker 2>would now get it.

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:10.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so that's what I think was beautiful about that. Oh,

0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:13.799
<v Speaker 3>I really want to talk about the most famous piece

0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:14.759
<v Speaker 3>of erotica all time.

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:19.360
<v Speaker 1>We all know it. Do the Kamma suture?

0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Yeah, So we did a whole episode on

0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:23.200
<v Speaker 2>that as well.

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Ancient India.

0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 3>It was written and the Western world incorrectly regards it

0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:31.520
<v Speaker 3>as a manual for sex physitions, but there are seven

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:33.359
<v Speaker 3>books that make it up, and it's so much more

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.880
<v Speaker 3>philosophical than sexual, and eroticism plays an undeniable role in it,

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:39.920
<v Speaker 3>obviously because it's taught us so much about love, connection

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.960
<v Speaker 3>or just free for all sex, like it covers everything.

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:45.799
<v Speaker 1>We also see a.

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Lot of erotica. I've never heard of this, but shunga.

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Thousand years ago there was an art tradition called shunga

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:58.880
<v Speaker 3>in Japan, which were colorful images of lovers with super

0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 3>large almost calmon gold genitalia, and it was spread across

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:07.480
<v Speaker 3>the audience to Japan and then China. It would literally

0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:11.000
<v Speaker 3>be this is a woman bending over as a client

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:15.640
<v Speaker 3>lubricating a meal prostitute. These would be hung up not

0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:20.799
<v Speaker 3>only throughout the town but through transit in books everywhere

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 3>because it was considered art. So again erotica also being

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:28.440
<v Speaker 3>not just literature. But yeah, in the Italian Renaissance.

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:31.359
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny because I'm.

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't get this, because you know sometimes when

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:36.040
<v Speaker 3>the words a little too much not for you. I

0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 3>start going through this thing and I'm like, they're literally

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 3>talking about the statues in Rome, the dicks, the balls,

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:43.799
<v Speaker 3>the hair on it, all of it. All of this

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:45.760
<v Speaker 3>was erotica in Italy.

0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:47.719
<v Speaker 1>There's some fucking hot statues.

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:52.399
<v Speaker 4>There's one not okay, this is it's unconsensual, so don't

0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.480
<v Speaker 4>get out to me. But there is a statue. I no,

0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:56.759
<v Speaker 4>there's a statue of I think it's called the Rape

0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:59.759
<v Speaker 4>of Persephone. Oh wow, and it is. I think it's

0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 4>like a it's like a Greek myth. But the way

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:05.920
<v Speaker 4>that the marble is it's like he's grabbing her thigh

0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:09.000
<v Speaker 4>and you can see like the dimples, like the art

0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 4>is like the marble is so well done, but it's

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 4>like holy shit, like it's not I mean, it's it

0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 4>is erotic, but it's also just like you can feel

0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:22.760
<v Speaker 4>the warmth of the scene, and which is wild because

0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:24.120
<v Speaker 4>it's fucking marble.

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:26.560
<v Speaker 2>To me, it's crazy because most statues that I see,

0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.280
<v Speaker 2>like especially when they're dude, my eyes go right to

0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:32.480
<v Speaker 2>the dick and the dix be small on statues, like

0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:33.440
<v Speaker 2>they don't ever.

0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Like they're like, damn, how much a little bit material

0:57:40.280 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 1>right here? Yeah, like all embarrassing.

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Maybe Dick's grew over time, like Jesus they said, yes,

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:50.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe not showers, but can you have him hang a

0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 2>little bit, he's a great god, can we give him

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:54.040
<v Speaker 2>something curious?

0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 2>So erotica's evolution is interesting because it says, what's the

0:57:57.320 --> 0:58:01.640
<v Speaker 2>difference between art, erotica, the Little Her, and porn? And

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:05.439
<v Speaker 2>where it gets murky is the word pornography didn't exist

0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:09.520
<v Speaker 2>until the eighteen hundreds, and when society became obsessed with

0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:13.720
<v Speaker 2>labeling pornography, it was because they didn't consider it to

0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:16.920
<v Speaker 2>be art. And so I find that funny because it's

0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:18.680
<v Speaker 2>almost like the whole hierarchy back in.

0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:21.760
<v Speaker 3>The day, like, oh well, our statues of sex are

0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:25.840
<v Speaker 3>better than you actually fucking on camera is basically what

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.680
<v Speaker 3>they were all saying. And so now today the concept

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:33.840
<v Speaker 3>of pornography is not considered erotica because they're the censorships around.

0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I will say it's crazy because.

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:41.800
<v Speaker 2>In the book I talk about how meeting a community

0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 2>of people that viewed sex's art helped to transform my

0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:49.360
<v Speaker 2>brains to view it that way. I didn't think that

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:53.680
<v Speaker 2>nudes or porn or any of that was art until recently.

0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:56.120
<v Speaker 3>Sure and interviewed a friend of ours. She's a porn

0:58:56.120 --> 0:59:01.080
<v Speaker 3>star sinceon in Love she's doing like catalogs, Like I

0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 3>can't think of what she's doing, but she's basically finding

0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:07.200
<v Speaker 3>porn archives and she's bringing them to Harvard and having

0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:09.400
<v Speaker 3>people study about it. It was Harvard, right, she says

0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:12.440
<v Speaker 3>that Harvard already has it exists there, Oh, Harvard already has.

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:13.640
<v Speaker 1>She's doing something she's.

0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Doing another college's not it, but just pulling the archives.

0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 2>And even I'm sitting with her and this friend of ours,

0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:23.160
<v Speaker 2>we love her. I'm like, what college, Like, how do

0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 2>you really connect the dots with this?

0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:27.479
<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, it is part

0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 1>of our art history.

0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:33.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure. I mean there's so many things that

0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 4>got short shrift Shakespeare wind say culturally that are like

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.120
<v Speaker 4>that's so important and was labeled one way or another

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.760
<v Speaker 4>and then made it taboo or like off limits. Yeah,

0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 4>clearly porn is one of them. And I think erotica

0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:52.360
<v Speaker 4>and erotic lit also, just like to stay on my thief.

0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 4>Is interesting because with book talk now, they're sort of

0:59:56.360 --> 1:00:01.000
<v Speaker 4>like this reclamation of horny books in a way, even

1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:04.080
<v Speaker 4>though people were all people were always reading romance romances,

1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:05.960
<v Speaker 4>like you know, the ro manopular genre.

1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:09.200
<v Speaker 2>It's so crazy because I can't remember what I was

1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:13.000
<v Speaker 2>having this conversation with. But those are even separate in bookstores.

1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:16.600
<v Speaker 2>So you have romance, which is more about love, yes,

1:00:16.920 --> 1:00:17.640
<v Speaker 2>and then erotica.

1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:20.240
<v Speaker 1>But but a lot of romance.

1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:22.120
<v Speaker 4>Books are now bringing in more so they have like

1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:24.959
<v Speaker 4>closed door romance or open door. So open door means

1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:27.200
<v Speaker 4>you have the sex scene. Closed door means like we

1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:29.280
<v Speaker 4>made out and then he pushed me on the bed

1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:31.440
<v Speaker 4>and slammed the door, and then it's like the next

1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:32.480
<v Speaker 4>morning I woke up.

1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so if it's open setscene jraycy uh.

1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.280
<v Speaker 4>He pushed me on the bed and then we jumped

1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:43.560
<v Speaker 4>to chapter. But that's that'll have. I mean, the thing

1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:45.560
<v Speaker 4>that's so interesting in romance books also is it's like

1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:49.360
<v Speaker 4>my heat or like they won't say they don't a

1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:53.400
<v Speaker 4>lot of times they don't say anatomical body parts or

1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:57.200
<v Speaker 4>or even words like they won't say pussy. They'll be

1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:00.680
<v Speaker 4>like he was patching, he felt my wet or was

1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:01.800
<v Speaker 4>between my legs.

1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I tried to do a little of that. I know

1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it was tough.

1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:06.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean there's a lot of synonyms. Okay, there's

1:01:06.960 --> 1:01:09.120
<v Speaker 4>a lot of creative language happening.

1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's where and I used to talk about it

1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:16.120
<v Speaker 2>all the time. Zaan for the buddhahole would call it

1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:17.720
<v Speaker 2>a chocolate starfish.

1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:19.920
<v Speaker 1>So even though she even.

1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Though she definitely wrote pussy this for the asshole, she

1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:27.240
<v Speaker 2>referred to it as a chocolate starters.

1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:27.959
<v Speaker 1>Some things.

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<v Speaker 3>I found some passages of erotica over time, and it's

1:01:33.520 --> 1:01:35.400
<v Speaker 3>it's just crazy how shit changes. But this is in

1:01:35.480 --> 1:01:40.040
<v Speaker 3>classical literature, and just like Tracy saying, let's.

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<v Speaker 1>See if it makes that pussy throat okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Then late one night, as he was undressing for bed,

1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:47.800
<v Speaker 2>she tapped at his door timidly. She wanted to relight

1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:51.920
<v Speaker 2>her candle at his, for hers had been blown out

1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:53.080
<v Speaker 2>by gust.

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<v Speaker 1>It was her back night. She wore a loose, open flannel,

1:01:57.000 --> 1:01:59.680
<v Speaker 1>her white in steps shone in the opening of her

1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:04.200
<v Speaker 1>fur slippers, and blood glowed warmly behind her perfume skin

1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:07.520
<v Speaker 1>from her hands and wrists to as she lit and

1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:12.240
<v Speaker 1>steadied her candle and think perfume arose. He came forward,

1:02:13.200 --> 1:02:15.760
<v Speaker 1>that is exactly what you just said.

1:02:16.160 --> 1:02:22.320
<v Speaker 4>This is what time period is this? I mean there

1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:25.640
<v Speaker 4>were censorship rules like you couldn't say things. So I

1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:28.680
<v Speaker 4>think like the furry is saying a lot, there's a

1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:31.880
<v Speaker 4>lot of words that are doing a lot of work

1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:37.240
<v Speaker 4>in that passage slippers, right, but just like the no

1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:41.160
<v Speaker 4>no she said, like text, like the words that are being.

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<v Speaker 1>Used, the perfumed skin exactly.

1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:50.640
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of the scriptors the loose fitted and

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<v Speaker 4>he undressed. It was her bath night, so that like continuated.

1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:58.920
<v Speaker 3>And also also nudity night is such an interesting thing

1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:01.320
<v Speaker 3>because you remember they wouldn't do it all Dagura Sharon

1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:03.960
<v Speaker 3>i WA's what it doesn't say the year, but it's

1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:07.400
<v Speaker 3>called Dangerous Liaisons by Pierre Oh yeah, so I'm famous.

1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:11.840
<v Speaker 4>That's that's what cruel intentions it is based off. Oh yeah,

1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:14.360
<v Speaker 4>and there's a Dangerous Liaisons movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you shall fight for them. Yeah. I didn't

1:03:17.040 --> 1:03:18.680
<v Speaker 2>watch it though, but I know Sean Wro It's always

1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:23.600
<v Speaker 2>suggested to me. Okay, this one is literally about stealing virginity.

1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I shall possess this woman, bless you, thank you.

1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I shall steal her from the husband who profanes her.

1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:33.240
<v Speaker 2>I will even dare ravish her from the god she adores.

1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:36.600
<v Speaker 2>What a delight to turn her into an object. Far

1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:40.160
<v Speaker 2>be it from me to destroy the prejudices which sway

1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:43.640
<v Speaker 2>her mind. They will add to my happiness. Let her

1:03:43.680 --> 1:03:46.640
<v Speaker 2>believe in virtue, and sacrifice it to me. Let the

1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:50.320
<v Speaker 2>idea of falling terrify her, and may she be shaken

1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:52.800
<v Speaker 2>by a thousand terrors in my arms.

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<v Speaker 1>This don't sound like virginitay, you like you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>slot out the moodys, Ryan Phillip, your character.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me tell you this right now, that was

1:04:01.840 --> 1:04:05.040
<v Speaker 2>one that was one white boy they used to have me,

1:04:05.640 --> 1:04:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Philippi.

1:04:07.400 --> 1:04:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Girl, white boys didn't even go to my school. Was

1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:12.280
<v Speaker 1>that of that era?

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<v Speaker 2>When I tell you Ryan Philippi was a cute little

1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:17.919
<v Speaker 2>I said, this is the American white boy.

1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:21.120
<v Speaker 1>That's Ryan Phillip. That's cute. He was cute. What's happening?

1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:23.280
<v Speaker 1>This is my American was married to what's her face?

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<v Speaker 4>That's Witherspoon's ex husband intensions. You gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like recently he don't look as good as

1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:36.200
<v Speaker 2>he did back in the day. Oh my god, he

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<v Speaker 2>aged like.

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<v Speaker 4>That bitch right now, Petro Pascal no no I was

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about someone from the back of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda love Hand got that same Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>And look how good he used to fucking look was

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to hear?

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<v Speaker 4>Bro?

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Philippi looked like milk.

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<v Speaker 4>I always I always liked I didn't like Leonardo DiCaprio.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, love LYO, lovely girl. I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted little me in a car like he Oh my,

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<v Speaker 2>that was suggestive sex. That was sad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, hand the hands, handing, saw nip and draw.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we saw the whole That was a sexy fucking scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I love that. Now, I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to know we're talking about all these white people like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you said it was your white boy. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I went to be there.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're really gonna be honest here, like a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the black sex movie scenes came so much later from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it is.

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<v Speaker 4>And also, I mean it should be said that erotica,

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<v Speaker 4>at least in literature black books were really stigmatized, like.

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<v Speaker 1>They want the soldier was and she where he draw?

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<v Speaker 2>I think for me though, to like black erotic literature

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<v Speaker 2>always and maybe it was the ones I like to read,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is thereo typed Black people are so bad,

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<v Speaker 2>like there was always gang's drugs, violence, death, then sex.

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<v Speaker 4>And that also has a lot to do with just

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<v Speaker 4>the world of publishing and racism, in.

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<v Speaker 1>Which makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot of the books that I read there

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<v Speaker 2>were drug dealers, they lived.

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<v Speaker 1>In the projects. Even even once they lived in the projects,

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<v Speaker 1>she met midnight.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate that all my black love stories were traffickers

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<v Speaker 3>because if I think about my.

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<v Speaker 1>Favorite black sex scene ever of.

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<v Speaker 2>Movies, Baby Boy, I never saw it. So I used

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<v Speaker 2>to like love and basketball. I think that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know as an adult, I have not want gone back.

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<v Speaker 2>Do not go back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go back.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really mad that a movie that is a classic

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<v Speaker 2>that I love, I watched it recently.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's justly your favorite movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I hate you about this short only because I

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<v Speaker 2>was the Air Force, and that's why I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about more porn, erotica, dirty shit with you

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<v Speaker 2>because they're such a nice woman. But fe tale everybody

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<v Speaker 2>where to find you and what they can expect.

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<v Speaker 1>Listening to Stax pod.

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<v Speaker 4>You can find me at the Stacks podcast on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 4>the saxpodcast dot com. I do a weekly show. It's

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<v Speaker 4>about books. You can find me talking about books. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>you're not gonna find me talking about pussy. Yeah, don't worry,

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<v Speaker 4>there's hard They only have us for that. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 4>already have your your pussy place. The pussy palace. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>more of the page's palace, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>However, we did an episode so if you don't to

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<v Speaker 2>hear books and plenty, Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing about my show that I feel like is

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<v Speaker 4>really fun for people and fun for me is that

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<v Speaker 4>all sorts of people write books, and so I get

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<v Speaker 4>to do an episode with you all where I talk

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<v Speaker 4>about sex and friendship and a running all these things.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you know, I think the week before you're

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<v Speaker 4>or no, sorry, that's not true because this is come

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<v Speaker 4>out in July. I think that, like, you know, around

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<v Speaker 4>the time that your book comes out or your your

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<v Speaker 4>episode comes out. Got an episode about a thriller coming out.

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<v Speaker 4>He did a book for book club in June called

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<v Speaker 4>The Art Thief, which is about a guy who stole

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of art.

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<v Speaker 1>We did, you know?

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<v Speaker 4>We're doing all sorts of books, and I'm trying to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, highlight different kinds of literature and get people,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in April we do poetry months because it's

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<v Speaker 4>natural poetrymonths. We do all sorts of shit. But I

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<v Speaker 4>think the most important thing to say to people is

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<v Speaker 4>I tried not to ever let anyone feel like they're

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<v Speaker 4>too dumb for books because I think you know, similarly,

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<v Speaker 4>you all probably deal with a lot of stigma around

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<v Speaker 4>sex and all this stuff, and there's that in the

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<v Speaker 4>book world where people feel they're not smart enough for books.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't not understand and read books, and now they do.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't wrote it, you wrote it, you read it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I want people to feel like I always

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<v Speaker 4>say I'm the dumbest person in the room, like when

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<v Speaker 4>I'm talking to these people who have pull zerprizes, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, so, what kind of smacks deally? You know,

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<v Speaker 4>but like it's also all nervous too. It's like I

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<v Speaker 4>want people to feel welcome into the book world, and

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<v Speaker 4>there's enough books for it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why people love THEO and Donald Trump. We need

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<v Speaker 3>to see human granular.

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<v Speaker 1>Level that shit. Don't compare me to Donald Trump, but

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise that's yeah, that is life. THEO is so great.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate him for what he did. I really think

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<v Speaker 1>it contributed to the vote.

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<v Speaker 3>But being a good interviewer is asking shit no one

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<v Speaker 3>else on their pressa uruant you did from Andy and

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<v Speaker 3>I so thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, I got a good questions. So you guys, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how did we write the book?

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<v Speaker 3>Like when you said, how down to where we did

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<v Speaker 3>it laptop phone?

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thanks my goods, Well, thank you guys for

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<v Speaker 2>having me. This was fun by everybody. Go and check

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<v Speaker 1>Will say so, Hi,