Speaker 1: Welcome to Decisions Decisions. I don't think you should say
Speaker 1: decision decisions. It sounded like you was talking to Kirsty.
Speaker 1: You definitely say to welcome, welcome to the new podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, you want to say together decisions decisions. Hey, everybody,
Speaker 2: welcome to another episode of this Sizzy Y'all's the Sizzy y'all.
Speaker 1: We are not you putting the glasses on the authors.
Speaker 2: Oh my guy, you are the authors of no host
Speaker 2: part I knew sitting with Tracy, the host of the
Speaker 2: Stacks podcast.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: And I want to play you the clip of how
Speaker 3: I found you because I just thought so.
Speaker 1: We had Brian.
Speaker 3: Brandon and if you don't remember his episode, it may
Speaker 3: have been like last year, maybe even.
Speaker 1: Two years ago, a while ago. Oh there's his book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was for his book. Yeah, so he was
Speaker 1: on from you Gotta Be You.
Speaker 2: I saw this clip of Tracy and I just wanted
Speaker 2: to talk to her or follow her because the clip
Speaker 2: was so funny. And then I realized, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this bitch does books.
Speaker 1: Not this bitch does book.
Speaker 4: She does you a buck, Debbie does, Dallas Cracy does,
Speaker 4: but he does book.
Speaker 1: So this is a clip and I want you guys
Speaker 1: to hear this because I was like, oh, she's fine.
Speaker 4: I am the worst mom in the social group of
Speaker 4: moms in the world of children. I have five year
Speaker 4: old twins, as you know, and there are moms who.
Speaker 1: Want to be friends. I don't want to be fun.
Speaker 1: I have frin and I will ignore, sure, I will lie.
Speaker 4: That's so my favorite move is like, hey, do you
Speaker 4: guys want to like do a playdate tomorrow or like
Speaker 4: later today? Leave on red until I'm like an hour after.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, I'm just we're just getting
Speaker 4: out of something grew and I is so honest.
Speaker 2: It's true. Moms act like I am. I'm hanging this
Speaker 2: mom in this mom.
Speaker 1: It's like what if you hate them?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so different than like, hoes want to
Speaker 2: be friends with other hose because they relate.
Speaker 1: So moms want to be friends.
Speaker 2: With other moms because now we have something, yes, but
Speaker 2: we don't comly.
Speaker 4: Want to talk about stupid kids. Shit, that's our problem.
Speaker 4: It's not even that these women I wouldn't want to
Speaker 4: be friends with in other circumstances, but all they want
Speaker 4: to talk about is like, what does your kid eat?
Speaker 4: What time did they go to bed? And I'm just like,
Speaker 4: have you watched you a TV show recently?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Do you like sports?
Speaker 4: Like? It doesn't even have to be like tell me
Speaker 4: your trauma. It can just be anything other than to
Speaker 4: your own dangerous. But who do you talk about your
Speaker 4: kids with?
Speaker 3: Because if you think about it, one of my friends
Speaker 3: recently told me who had a kid.
Speaker 2: I was like, day, i'll hear from me anymore. She's like,
Speaker 2: you don't want to hear about this kid shit?
Speaker 1: And I know it's crazy. One.
Speaker 2: None of my friends talk to me about their kids
Speaker 2: because I could careless, but.
Speaker 4: I could care less abou other people's kids, so too,
Speaker 4: I don't even want to talk about my kids like
Speaker 4: truly as I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean you can, I don't. So just a few
Speaker 1: boundary ground rolls.
Speaker 4: I don't I ever say my kid's names publicly, and
Speaker 4: I don't ever put them on social media.
Speaker 1: Give voice right and girl, we're gonna do that to
Speaker 1: the men we fought.
Speaker 2: Okay, we never say their names on the podcast, and
Speaker 2: we never post them on our social media.
Speaker 4: My kids are I try to keep them private for
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll tell you their story of why I
Speaker 4: do that protecting them. But also so there's an influencer
Speaker 4: that I follow who lives in my neighborhood and I've
Speaker 4: been following her for a long time, and she had
Speaker 4: a daughter. And one day I was walking down the
Speaker 4: street like this little neighborhood and I saw the little
Speaker 4: girl with the nanny and I said, oh, my god,
Speaker 4: there's blank And then I realized I actually didn't know
Speaker 4: that kid. But I thought that that was a little
Speaker 4: kid that I knew just in the community. And I said,
Speaker 4: if I ever have kids, I'm never gonna put This
Speaker 4: was before the show was even like big. It was like,
Speaker 4: you know whatever, and I was like, I will never
Speaker 4: put my kids on public social media because that's weird.
Speaker 4: And it was really disorienting because I knew the kid's name,
Speaker 4: like I was like, I really thought like I was
Speaker 4: going to go up to them and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: little girl, who's name? I know? And then I realized
Speaker 4: that I did not know that. Yeah, the Internet makes
Speaker 4: us feel closer to people.
Speaker 3: This is ridiculous, and I'm not trying to compare your
Speaker 3: children to a dog, but I knew shit got weird.
Speaker 1: I was driving one day in La.
Speaker 2: My dog is uh hanging out the window.
Speaker 3: I'm like sitting outside the car. Girl walks by and
Speaker 3: goes hey, Nina and doesn't speak to me, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, bitch, Yeah, it's weird. Looney too, Yeah
Speaker 3: it's weird. And yeah, when I go.
Speaker 2: On Live My My My like core like fans literally
Speaker 2: refer to Body my cat as their nephew.
Speaker 1: Where is my nephew at that's cute, but they know Body.
Speaker 2: They're like, Body done got so big because that's my kid.
Speaker 1: My cat does go on the internet.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like, oh wow, y'all have known Body
Speaker 2: since he was a little little bit and now you
Speaker 2: growing up and you refer to my cat.
Speaker 3: When we were first starting this episode, I said, oh
Speaker 3: my god, Tracy, have to hold this thought. Tracy was
Speaker 3: telling us what she thought about She's read the entire
Speaker 3: book No holds Word, We just miss a saxpod, and
Speaker 3: was talking about what she thought about meeting us after
Speaker 3: reading the book. So I'd love for you to repeat
Speaker 3: that because I want to tell you what I.
Speaker 1: Said about here. Yeah, so I both well.
Speaker 4: I said that I thought that Mandy was like friendlier
Speaker 4: than I thought that you would be, like warmer, less guarded,
Speaker 4: than I thought. And I thought that you were goofier
Speaker 4: than I was expecting because your chapters are like really
Speaker 4: like sexy, like sex you know, I mean not all
Speaker 4: of that, they're very sex forward, but also the goofy
Speaker 4: side of you does not come out in the chapters.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I don't feel like you are goofy. You're funny.
Speaker 4: You're definitely funny, like you're cracking jokes.
Speaker 1: Hold on, this bitch just said on goofy in person.
Speaker 4: This is goofy, is hope, but goofy in like a
Speaker 4: good way, not goofy in the pejorative way, like like like.
Speaker 1: Silly, like playful.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that side of you came out
Speaker 4: comes out as much as it does in person.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about me that's very difficult, I think
Speaker 3: to be a boss. We've been approached by this company
Speaker 3: to do a show about our studio and my business partner,
Speaker 3: and I was like making up different episodes. I'm like,
Speaker 3: one of the episode episodes, sorry, I braceist, should be
Speaker 3: about how I can't give an employee bad news. So
Speaker 3: we're structuring this, I'm like, I want to take one
Speaker 3: of the employees on. Let me take her to a
Speaker 3: spa day. Let's just say nishe is right here and
Speaker 3: Denisha's fucked up a audio file. I'll probably take her
Speaker 3: to this BA will probably hang out. I think she's
Speaker 3: getting promoted. I think I'm gonna say it, and then
Speaker 3: I don't really do it. Like I get to goofy
Speaker 3: and silly to wear sometimes it's hard to be serious.
Speaker 1: And so to that point.
Speaker 2: One of the issues my boyfriend had with me early
Speaker 2: on and we just spoke about it again recently because
Speaker 2: he's like, you've gotten better. He thought I wasn't into
Speaker 2: him because I was so goofy and silly and playful,
Speaker 2: and he's like, bro, we'll be in the middle of
Speaker 2: making out and you're like, can you imagine if blah blah.
Speaker 3: Blah, it's really add But he hated it, and he's
Speaker 3: like I and I thought you couldn't connect with me.
Speaker 3: I thought you weren't as interested. I thought she wanted
Speaker 3: to be friends. And last week before he left, he
Speaker 3: had candles out for me, pulled a.
Speaker 1: Blind full out and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've been getting on your nerves.
Speaker 2: You're gonna kill me, bag, and he's like, yo, you
Speaker 2: shut the fuck I'm there's shot a playing and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I get it, but it's so tough for me to,
Speaker 2: I don't know, not be this person. And so I
Speaker 2: love hearing you say that in the book, I was
Speaker 2: sexier because people don't know what I look like in
Speaker 2: that book, and then maybe when they meet me, they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: the braces, the whole us of your hair, like this
Speaker 2: pitch is a mouse. And I have gotten to feel
Speaker 2: like the more serious side of me did come out
Speaker 2: in that book because this is so fun and.
Speaker 4: So I feel like, yeah, because I'm mean, I listened
Speaker 4: to the show and so I was actually a little
Speaker 4: bit surprised when I was reading it because it's like
Speaker 4: like for your chapters, because I feel like you are
Speaker 4: like much more like off the cuff. But that's the
Speaker 4: thing about writing is like that doesn't translate on the no.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing too, And with writing the book,
Speaker 2: Weezy at one point where it was like we have
Speaker 2: to go back and forth like we do on the
Speaker 2: podcast and like have some sort of dialogue, and I
Speaker 2: was like, no, that doesn't it's a book, it doesn't,
Speaker 2: that doesn't apply.
Speaker 1: It is actually my biggest regret of this book.
Speaker 3: I wish there is a moment where one chapter, one
Speaker 3: paragraph something where you got to see Mandy and and
Speaker 3: Weezy speak. I am a really big fan of that.
Speaker 3: I love moments that break the fourth wall. And so
Speaker 3: that's why in the book a lot, I'll use quotation
Speaker 3: marks of what people say, insert text message here, just
Speaker 3: anything I can so you remember and ground and you
Speaker 3: ground yourself in reality.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I know that we are doing such a good job
Speaker 3: on our podcast going back and forth no matter if
Speaker 3: we disagree or agree, that you get to see dialogue there.
Speaker 3: And so the book was very scary to do because
Speaker 3: that was gone. And this is my connection to Mandy
Speaker 3: in my business and in my life is are back
Speaker 3: and forth.
Speaker 2: So the book being super this is us was different. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I want to ask you, because the stack spot
Speaker 2: even doing for seven years.
Speaker 1: How many books have you read the seven years? No
Speaker 1: or in my life? Do you think you know?
Speaker 4: Well? I know how many books I've read since twenty sixteen? Okay,
Speaker 4: what's that number? I don't know exactly because I don't
Speaker 4: have my phone on me. I think it's eight hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy six Yeah, eight month. So it's not gonna
Speaker 4: be an average because in twenty and sixteen and twenty seventeen
Speaker 4: I didn't do the show, so I was reading. Last
Speaker 4: I read about eight to twelve books a month on average.
Speaker 4: This month, I just finished Shelf's book. I'm going to
Speaker 4: finish one more book today and I.
Speaker 2: Will be Yeah because of eleven month and yeah, one
Speaker 2: day we're going on this.
Speaker 1: Austin didn't take you to read no holes word two days? Well,
Speaker 1: it's amazy, that is well. I mean i'm reading.
Speaker 4: So if I read eight books a month, eight books
Speaker 4: a month, that's less. But if I'm reading twel books,
Speaker 4: which I think'm gona end up at eleven or twelve,
Speaker 4: that's about three days of book.
Speaker 1: That's about my average. Wow.
Speaker 4: So and your book isn't that long? Like I'm read
Speaker 4: the book.
Speaker 1: I'm about to finish just six hundred pages and that's
Speaker 1: taken me.
Speaker 2: Like if they wouldn't have edited, my god, damn, y
Speaker 2: let you write, it would have been at pages. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I know where it's too. I think the book is
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy four pages.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you prefer.
Speaker 3: Reading an actual book pages, fingers, audio, I.
Speaker 1: Do all of it.
Speaker 4: I will read on digital device. I will read a
Speaker 4: physical book and I will listen to an audiobook. My
Speaker 4: my real, true, most preferred way is actually to have
Speaker 4: all three going at once of the same book. So
Speaker 4: I like to have one book where I have a
Speaker 4: physical copy, like in the daytime, when I'm reading in bed,
Speaker 4: I'll switch to the digital and then if I'm in
Speaker 4: the car doing chores, audio put on the audio. I
Speaker 4: like to do a one I call myself a one
Speaker 4: book pony. I just like to do one book at
Speaker 4: a time. But oftentimes if I don't have that, I
Speaker 4: will have a physical book going.
Speaker 1: Are you don't even have the audio version of the
Speaker 1: audio of yours?
Speaker 4: So I only had a digital, But hopefully they'll send
Speaker 4: me the physical so that I can I.
Speaker 1: Just look at it. I can take it.
Speaker 2: Day.
Speaker 1: Are you married? I'm looking at your I am married.
Speaker 1: What is he like? Okay?
Speaker 4: So I also don't say his name, but we call
Speaker 4: him mister Stacks. Yeah, we call the kids the ministacks.
Speaker 4: Mister Sacks is a doctor, okay, is a obigu? I
Speaker 4: n okay, And he's a pretty chill person. He's very
Speaker 4: quiet that he is.
Speaker 1: A super reader too.
Speaker 4: That's really he's not a super reader. He reads. He
Speaker 4: probably reads fifteen to twenty books a year. I would say,
Speaker 4: so a book a month or a little more.
Speaker 1: Have you this is such a random question. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: not my obie. No, even more random.
Speaker 2: But because we're we still lean into sex a little
Speaker 2: bit and the reality of how woman think. Have you
Speaker 2: ever been jealous of the fact that he goes to
Speaker 2: work and is an other women's pussies all day?
Speaker 4: No, because once you start hearing the stories of other women,
Speaker 4: I don't like it's And also his patient population is
Speaker 4: like some like he worked at the county hospital here
Speaker 4: in La Okay, so you know, and like people oftentimes
Speaker 4: are coming in for issues where it's like.
Speaker 1: Bleeding, okay or yeah, tell the story. Tell the story.
Speaker 1: What's the craziest one? The cwa the craziest one? I
Speaker 1: think I can tell this. How long have you been together?
Speaker 1: Fifteen years? Oh? You got stories?
Speaker 4: Tell Okay, this is the craziest one. This is when
Speaker 4: he was working in county a woman came in. I
Speaker 4: don't want to say anything that's gonna get anybody in trouble,
Speaker 4: so I'm try to keep a bag. But a woman
Speaker 4: came in. She had an object in her vagina, and
Speaker 4: the police had also come like after her, and they
Speaker 4: were like, she needs to go into operating and so
Speaker 4: like the police were waiting and they were like, you
Speaker 4: need to tell us, like what's in her vagina? And
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think that the doctors were allowed to.
Speaker 4: I think I'm not. I can't remember the league legality here.
Speaker 4: Don't get at me.
Speaker 1: But basically they go in and they're like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is this? Was it a shank? No, it was hot, and.
Speaker 4: It had fused to the walls of her vagina and
Speaker 4: it was a crack pipe and they had busted up
Speaker 4: a like crackhouse, and to avoid getting arrested, she put
Speaker 4: it up with it see up her vagina and it
Speaker 4: got fused inside of her vagina. Wait wait, and that's glass.
Speaker 4: That's shut the fuck up. So that's a crazy story.
Speaker 4: I don't remember what the fallout was from it. I
Speaker 4: don't remember if they had to like turn her over.
Speaker 4: But the County Hospital is you know, that's where you
Speaker 4: go if you don't have health in entrance. So there
Speaker 4: was a lot of crazy stories when he was at County.
Speaker 1: Did he get the crackpipe out? They had to do
Speaker 1: full surgery.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you have to do a full you have
Speaker 4: to cut because it was fused to the tissue.
Speaker 2: So it's really bad. What's crazier about you? Talking about County?
Speaker 2: A friend of mine shout out to Toya. She works
Speaker 2: at a county jail h taking care of patients, and
Speaker 2: she literally he was like, girl, I gotta get out
Speaker 2: of here. She was like, because the men for some
Speaker 2: reason are respecting a woman doctor and she doesn't have
Speaker 2: too many issues. She's like, the women just feel like
Speaker 2: they can say anything to me. She's like, and these
Speaker 2: are girls, like they're in jail, so these women are different.
Speaker 1: She's like, they be confused.
Speaker 3: I may have to give someone HIV results and they're like,
Speaker 3: how do you get rid of it? She's like, sitting
Speaker 3: there having to go step by step ABC whether it
Speaker 3: be sensed, what they don't understand sticking things in there,
Speaker 3: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy now, I know.
Speaker 2: I know they's just be putting like drugs in a
Speaker 2: pussy when they like drug mules, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll put it up a little little bag a
Speaker 1: crack pipe. Yeah, is crazy. You know what's shameful about
Speaker 1: this story?
Speaker 3: I was traveling with friends and we wanted to bring
Speaker 3: mushrooms with us somewhere because we didn't want to buy
Speaker 3: them out of the country because we were all scared
Speaker 3: those mushrooms would kill us. So I'm traveling with you guys.
Speaker 3: They're like, what are we gonna do? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I have Nature's pocket.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so that's crazy. They're all looking at
Speaker 1: me like we see this is insane. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: not a big deal. It's clean. I got it now.
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to keep it up there the whole time,
Speaker 3: or even I just literally put it like on the
Speaker 3: line up under it because I'm thinking I'll just take
Speaker 3: it out and put.
Speaker 1: It on my first once we've lost tsa girl.
Speaker 3: We was going through custom for four hours, and the
Speaker 3: entire time we were going through customers, they kept saying,
Speaker 3: kill mushrooms is different.
Speaker 1: It turns a fun guy that shit is crazy.
Speaker 3: And honestly, I connect with this because you can't know
Speaker 3: how many times she probably didn't put some shit up
Speaker 3: there before.
Speaker 1: Now you got to go to the doctor and there's glass.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, and LAPD is so fucking crazy and
Speaker 4: they probably were going to try to put her under
Speaker 4: the jail.
Speaker 1: For do em like, have you ever put anything in
Speaker 1: your pussy? No? I mean penis, that's it, fingers. It's
Speaker 1: funny because I was. I was telling my homegirl the story.
Speaker 2: If you guys are new here, I'll read share this story.
Speaker 2: But if you're old, I've told told the story on
Speaker 2: the pot, I believe. But back when I was just
Speaker 2: craving dick and needed it so bad, so I don't
Speaker 2: fuck on my period. However, this guy came, came in town,
Speaker 2: came into New York, and I fucking wiped pink that morning,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, bitch, we didn't already made plan.
Speaker 1: We fucking but I don't want to fuck with wait blood.
Speaker 2: So my homegirls had told me the trick of the
Speaker 2: makeup sponges.
Speaker 1: Oh, so I didn't learning so much.
Speaker 2: So basically what my friends told me to do was
Speaker 2: take a makeup sponge, like the regular round ones that
Speaker 2: you can get in the bag from CBS or something
Speaker 2: like that. So you take a round makeup sponge and
Speaker 2: you lub it up and you fold it and put
Speaker 2: it in your pussy. So how do you get it out?
Speaker 2: So let me tell you.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you.
Speaker 4: So the problem is The problem being a wife of
Speaker 4: an ob is that I know that quickly.
Speaker 1: So let me tell you girls.
Speaker 2: So, because I didn't want the blood, and because this
Speaker 2: was my first time, I was like, I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: two up there just in case. So I looped up
Speaker 2: to put it up. So the trick is, if a
Speaker 2: man goes in your pussy, it just feels like a
Speaker 2: pussy wall. He doesn't even feel that anything is in there.
Speaker 2: So we fucking, we fucking, we fucking we fucking. And
Speaker 2: I had done this, like no, no, at this point,
Speaker 2: I hadn't done it before.
Speaker 1: This was my first time.
Speaker 2: So I do it and I'm like, okay, mind you.
Speaker 2: My nails are like this at the time. Okay, So
Speaker 2: after we're done federal gatting their pointing. Yeah, really long
Speaker 2: stiletto nails. So this was before I started doing my
Speaker 2: shirt two fingers. So I'm done fucking. My roommate knows
Speaker 2: I did it all and all this stuff, so he leaves,
Speaker 2: he goes to say his hotel, he leaves, and I'm
Speaker 2: like okay, So I go into the bathroom and I'm
Speaker 2: literally on the toilet and I start doing the kegels.
Speaker 2: This is what my friend said to do, just do
Speaker 2: the little kegels and they should like just start coming
Speaker 2: down and they'll come right out. So I'm literally in
Speaker 2: the bathroom on the toilet and now at this point,
Speaker 2: my hands are digging up here. But I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm starting to see a little blood, but I don't
Speaker 2: feel no goddamn spunge.
Speaker 1: I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I'm trying and trying. I start freaking out. So I
Speaker 2: go to my fucking roommate. Shout out to Lena. D's
Speaker 2: my home girl. So I go to my roommate and
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, I can't get these fucking sponges out
Speaker 2: my pussy.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, my fucking who told you up there?
Speaker 2: No, it was one of my one of my like
Speaker 2: porn star friends, okay, who have done it on set before.
Speaker 2: So no, she just knew I did it, but she's
Speaker 2: never done it. She's like what the fuck. She's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck you mean? They're not coming out? I said, Bro,
Speaker 2: these fucking sponges. I don't know where they're at, but
Speaker 2: they're fucking not coming out. I need your help. So
Speaker 2: she goes into the kitchen. She grabs the yellow kitchen glove. Okay,
Speaker 2: when we go back into the bathroom. I cock my
Speaker 2: leg up on the tub and my friend starts.
Speaker 1: Digging in my fusty to pull these gud damn sit out.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I was just like, bro, but she got she felt him.
Speaker 1: She was like, oh I think I got it. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, I feel it. Okay, grab it out,
Speaker 1: grab it out. And then I was like, there's one
Speaker 1: more in there. You gotta go back in there. There's
Speaker 1: one more in there. You gotta go back in.
Speaker 2: And she literally and I was like, oh my god, bro,
Speaker 2: you're like the best. So I just told my best
Speaker 2: friend Crystal this because Lena was like reminding her, like
Speaker 2: even adding more of the details to the story. And Crystal,
Speaker 2: who's my best friend? She number one of the eleven.
Speaker 2: She said, Oh, you might love her more than I do, because.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to bitch. You did what you would
Speaker 1: have knew it for a friend.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't put your hand up of friends, Vagina to
Speaker 2: gain some fanatical your husband does like this's your that. Okay,
Speaker 2: I would get a tool.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: But she had a glove on. She had a glovehnet.
Speaker 4: No, I probably would do it, but I don't talk
Speaker 4: about it forever, and I would never not talk about
Speaker 4: it for the rest of our life, you know.
Speaker 2: The crazy part about it. And he saw me from
Speaker 2: want it.
Speaker 1: Just the next time. I only put one up though.
Speaker 1: Did you get it out? Oh? Yeah, which is so weird.
Speaker 2: That's why I think maybe the two was too much
Speaker 2: problem because the one, Oh it was, it was, and
Speaker 2: I've only done it on day one. I would never
Speaker 2: do that if I was on a heavy flow, right,
Speaker 2: Jim mistakes?
Speaker 3: Just like, hey, a condom will also take care of
Speaker 3: the blood tooe.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, It's not like it's going to
Speaker 1: get on them.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm not fucking with no goddamn bloh blah
Speaker 2: for real. Bro Okay, Tracy, she's just stay trying to
Speaker 2: get me to be bloody like her so she will
Speaker 2: blow you read fun shit I did.
Speaker 3: Hypothetically speaking, Yes, you could only read books for the
Speaker 3: rest of your life. Okay, but it's the same twenty books.
Speaker 3: Would you rather read those same twenty books or give
Speaker 3: up books and have unlimited television?
Speaker 2: Tell me the same twenty books? Oh wow, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean your top three faves?
Speaker 1: Do you enjoy reading books again? Is that I do.
Speaker 4: I've just I'm new into the world of rereading in
Speaker 4: the last since in the last few years, I've reread
Speaker 4: a few books and I like it.
Speaker 2: The only books that I have re read, and it
Speaker 2: was in my twenties. Wore those erotica books from back
Speaker 2: in the day, like reading Sister Soljia Coldest Once. Ever
Speaker 2: as an adult, I was I was like, now, bitch,
Speaker 2: why the fuck were you reading this at eleven?
Speaker 4: Like literally everyone who comes on the podcast and talks
Speaker 4: about those books like I read them at ten, and
Speaker 4: I don't know why any adult was letting me.
Speaker 2: Like, I know, literally, and I talk about it like
Speaker 2: in in in the in our book, I talk about
Speaker 2: my journey of erotica, and we'll talk about the history
Speaker 2: of erotica later, but I literally talk about going from
Speaker 2: books to message boards to just wanting to have my
Speaker 2: pussy thump while I read words.
Speaker 1: Did you actually get horny at all? Or at talking
Speaker 1: to horns?
Speaker 3: Moments of no holes word I'm guessing them now, Yeah,
Speaker 3: definitely that chapter.
Speaker 1: Okay, we didn't get you off anyway, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: that's the color.
Speaker 2: Sure that was where I think I put the most
Speaker 2: sexual detail sure.
Speaker 4: The thing is that I'm reading for work, so it's
Speaker 4: a different I'm not like she used to masturmate it work.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 4: If there's a spectrum of like horniness, I'm probably not.
Speaker 1: That close to you. Guys. Thank you, Thanks that I
Speaker 1: read the book. I knew she was like, I don't
Speaker 1: have to know. It doesn't leak all the time. I
Speaker 1: just say what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4: Since we're not shaming people for their sexual identities, lady, wow.
Speaker 1: Just like not as sex forwards. Don't be like I
Speaker 1: hearing you say that, I would think, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I grow with book pod weepy girl, even though I
Speaker 1: know you're pretty beautiful. I meaning you, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I see it. You see what I just see sexy
Speaker 1: in it? So to me, oh my god, I've clipped
Speaker 1: that and put it everywhere. I'm sexy. Thank you. Okay,
Speaker 1: not that nobody ever is like Tracy sexy.
Speaker 4: I heard this thing from that, but I but also,
Speaker 4: when I'm reading for work, it's sitting up at the desk.
Speaker 4: It's not it's not even like taking notes. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: taking notes. I'm in and out of chapters. I'm thinking
Speaker 4: about questions. I'm thinking also, like what was this choice structurally?
Speaker 4: Like what like I'm I'm analyzing the thing, so I'm
Speaker 4: not really like enjoying the thing in that way.
Speaker 2: Well, if you are a Horrehive member and not doing
Speaker 2: this for work, I need you to read the book
Speaker 2: like this. There you go in bed on your couch,
Speaker 2: just just be ready.
Speaker 1: That actually doesn't here you get that horny, I get horny.
Speaker 2: Or if I'm reading it in a public place, Okay,
Speaker 2: I gotta act you're a.
Speaker 1: Public corny person.
Speaker 2: Oh public you are. No, I know I read the book.
Speaker 2: We have a podcast, I'm i it's a little later.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we'll record the pot at like nine or ten am.
Speaker 2: This is why if you're watching on YouTube, we normally
Speaker 2: have coffee. We literally have to get this horny sometimes
Speaker 2: at nine thirty in the morning over coffee.
Speaker 3: We're talking about day honest with you, doesn't take me much. Okay, No,
Speaker 3: I really need to hear this. Those in those twenty
Speaker 3: five books, twenty books, whatever it was. I really need
Speaker 3: to know the top three.
Speaker 4: Because we the top three books that I'm going to
Speaker 4: pick to read for the rest of my life are
Speaker 4: my top favorite books because those are different book. But
Speaker 4: I want to tell you why this question is so
Speaker 4: important for me to hear. Every day online we see
Speaker 4: the same book circulating, even you bring it up Malcolm Bladwell,
Speaker 4: who was great, he's over here here, even everyone bringing
Speaker 4: up Coldest Winsterever when we talk saying what are the
Speaker 4: deep cuts?
Speaker 1: We need? Deep cuts?
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I don't know that those would be in
Speaker 4: my three Okay for the twenty My strategy for the
Speaker 4: twenty books, so I would the twenty book. The strategy
Speaker 4: for my twenty books would be to pick bigger books
Speaker 4: that are like really sort of dense, big story.
Speaker 1: So I would maybe go like Count of Monte Cristo. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's too long.
Speaker 4: Well, but I only got twenty books for the rest
Speaker 4: of my life, so I'm trying to maximize. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to go with the one fifty novels.
Speaker 1: I'll say go ahead and say, Harry Potter, yes, well,
Speaker 1: I have never read those. You're a book reader. I
Speaker 1: have never fu k Rowlings. Well, and that's now why
Speaker 1: I haven't read them.
Speaker 4: I didn't read them as a kid because I'm not
Speaker 4: older than them.
Speaker 1: But I was a little bit older.
Speaker 4: I was on the old end of when they came out,
Speaker 4: Like I think I was in high school when they
Speaker 4: came out.
Speaker 1: Maybe so I was if you.
Speaker 2: Were in middle school then to read after Erotica came Goosebumps,
Speaker 2: then came Babysitters Club, Had the then came.
Speaker 1: Potter, not Twilight. For that reason, I didn't read Twilight.
Speaker 4: I didn't read College and Twilight, but so I didn't
Speaker 4: read Harry Potter at the time. I also am not
Speaker 4: really a fantasy reader. My personal taste skews much heavy
Speaker 4: towards nonfiction, so it wasn't something that I would have read.
Speaker 1: And then J. K.
Speaker 4: Rowling is a fucking transphobic, cunt ass bitch, and I
Speaker 4: was like absolutely, And I'm just like, why would I
Speaker 4: go back now and support her?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like there's
Speaker 1: so many books in the world that.
Speaker 2: I when I get the butter beer, you knowing her?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, I think you are bitch. I
Speaker 1: love world. I never Harry Potter thing.
Speaker 3: It is cool for people to need, like not not
Speaker 3: just visiting, but like the what it created for people
Speaker 3: that feel community.
Speaker 1: I think if you.
Speaker 4: Love Harry Potter, if you already love Harry Potter. Like,
Speaker 4: if you are an adult who has was introduced to
Speaker 4: Harry Potter as a kid, it made you felt seen,
Speaker 4: it made you feel whatever. If it means something to you,
Speaker 4: that is your thing, and that's something you can grapple with.
Speaker 4: But for me, a full grown adult, I don't feel
Speaker 4: like I don't need to feel seen by a woman
Speaker 4: who's transphobic and hates so many of the people that
Speaker 4: I love existence and is putting money trying to make
Speaker 4: legislation to make trans women basif killed. It's not just
Speaker 4: you talking, right, So for me, it's just like, what
Speaker 4: am I Like? There's nothing for me here, even if
Speaker 4: the books were the best books ever. It's just like
Speaker 4: there's so much like I could also just read Tony Morrison,
Speaker 4: you know, like I could just hear you know, like
Speaker 4: there's James Baldwin books I've never read. I'm reading Invisible
Speaker 4: Man by Ralph Ellison for the first time ever right now.
Speaker 1: I'll say, that's some of the that's there, right.
Speaker 4: So I'm just like, why would I go back and
Speaker 4: read this bitch when there's so many great writers that
Speaker 4: I haven't read that I could read, you know, So
Speaker 4: like that's my thing, But you're a great.
Speaker 1: Answer because we needed to hear that.
Speaker 3: So okay, so we need the three that you said
Speaker 3: kind of run of Crystal.
Speaker 1: I'm just okay. I also, this is really nerdy me.
Speaker 4: I would take my Shakespeare complete works, my big giant
Speaker 4: Shakespeare with that's hard to hate it, Okay, I love Shakespeare.
Speaker 4: I think you would like it. You've been taught it, bere.
Speaker 4: I just went to Othello, and I was like, I
Speaker 4: heard that.
Speaker 1: You could have only you could have said all this
Speaker 1: in one sentence. Why you like? It was just two
Speaker 1: fella's literally one of my fast Oh no.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna lie. I love her. Oh, I
Speaker 2: like it's so much drama in tea production. Denzel Washington,
Speaker 2: from what I've been told, is not a good production.
Speaker 2: He's too old to play the part. I love Denzel.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like a twenty five year old man.
Speaker 1: There's ill shaved to me.
Speaker 2: I just didn't like that they put it in modern
Speaker 2: day and then you keep the Shakespeare in play.
Speaker 1: They had them in army outfits. I love Othello, and then.
Speaker 2: Y'all, I I guessed it up in another episode. But also,
Speaker 2: oh basketball, oh my.
Speaker 1: Josh Hartner. I love Julia the Woman. Okay, sorry, we
Speaker 1: are crazy.
Speaker 3: Sorry I'm gonna say.
Speaker 4: I'm going to say Song of Solomon by Tony Morrison.
Speaker 4: That's a juicy book. I think I could reread that
Speaker 4: about five to ten times back to back and find
Speaker 4: new things and feel new ways about it. So those
Speaker 4: would be my three, like Desert Island for unpacking purposes books,
Speaker 4: your three favorites we need, Okay, I'm currently I'm currently,
Speaker 4: like really obsessed with the Hunger game series. I read
Speaker 4: it in twenty ten or whatever. I don't but I
Speaker 4: read it in twos and ten and I loved it.
Speaker 4: And there's a new book that came out this year
Speaker 4: that I still haven't read yet, and I went back
Speaker 4: and I reread the original first three and they're so
Speaker 4: fucking good.
Speaker 1: I love so good.
Speaker 4: They are fantasy to me, but they almost feel more
Speaker 4: like speculative fiction. Like I know they're science fiction elements
Speaker 4: to it, but it feels so real and like rooted,
Speaker 4: and she just does such a good job.
Speaker 1: And I'm just really into those right now. So right
Speaker 1: now the games.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite memoirs of all time is a
Speaker 4: book called Heavy by Kisa Layman. You know, and then
Speaker 4: number three, number three, I guess, I guess I'll go
Speaker 4: Soula by Tony Morrison.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's actually I can't, no, no, I got, I can't.
Speaker 1: I gotta.
Speaker 4: I gotta take out Hunger Games because I'm being disrespectful
Speaker 4: to my actual like most favorite important book to me,
Speaker 4: which is Into Thin Air by John Krockaur. That's my
Speaker 4: gateway into nonfiction. It's about the nineteen ninety six trying
Speaker 4: to summit Mount Everest and lots of people die. It's
Speaker 4: like the deadliest year on Mount Everest. It was the
Speaker 4: deadliest year in Mount Everest history until twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: But this writer, John Crocker, he wrote Into the Wild
Speaker 4: that they turned into that movie. He wrote Under the
Speaker 4: Banner of Heaven about the Mormons that they turned into
Speaker 4: a show.
Speaker 1: He's like, my.
Speaker 2: Favorite, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna geek out just a
Speaker 2: little bit. I'm gonna name my three real quick. Two
Speaker 2: of them actually came from childhood, Okay, that I was
Speaker 2: forced to read and I went back and reread them.
Speaker 1: I love them.
Speaker 4: So the Giver, Oh, we did that on the podcast Giver.
Speaker 4: I did my mom Incredible Animal Farm. I read that
Speaker 4: for the first time this year is.
Speaker 2: Animal Wait, you just love Animal Farm?
Speaker 4: In Oakland, California, we never required to read it, right
Speaker 4: in Florida, I mean, yeah, we read different ship.
Speaker 1: I know I didn't. I didn't read a lot.
Speaker 4: Of things that people were supposed to read, and the
Speaker 4: Animal I didn't especially like.
Speaker 2: Where we're at now, it's like, oh God, oh fucking good.
Speaker 2: And then uh, nonfiction Oprah Winfrey is what I know
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: I never read it.
Speaker 2: Girl, I do love Oprah, But that that one right there, Well,
Speaker 2: we were talking about the writing process for our book,
Speaker 2: the comps that kept coming to me, and the two
Speaker 2: memoirs by women that I liked and how they told
Speaker 2: their stories.
Speaker 1: Was Oprah Winfrey what I know for sure? And then
Speaker 1: Gabrielle Union's We're Gonna Need More Wine one those per
Speaker 1: second one I didn't like as much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't even get into it.
Speaker 1: I finished the We're Gonna Need More Wine like this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking, I feel like I want to
Speaker 1: go erotica. Just let me go erotica. Let's get reader.
Speaker 1: Oh you're going to go erotica?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought you were so need to talk about erotica.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know that. We're giving you
Speaker 1: the history of erotica. Can you get into a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of the other stuff, but top to erotica.
Speaker 1: I'll be faster.
Speaker 3: We can get to it. Rent Boy by Gary Indiana.
Speaker 3: I love gay sex stories. I would say coldest one ever.
Speaker 3: Number two and number one for me is Tampas Nutting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2: And I remember her last name being Nutting because I
Speaker 2: was like, that's nasty Tampa for me.
Speaker 1: I like, fucked up. Give me incest, fucking.
Speaker 3: Crazy shit because I'm so over sexed out sometimes.
Speaker 1: And you gotta be shocked. It's got to go far.
Speaker 1: You just reading Animal Pharma is so crazy. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: and I hated the movie The Giver. It didn't do
Speaker 1: the book justice. Yeah, not good. I didn't watch it.
Speaker 2: Real Street isn't it. I don't know, but they didn't
Speaker 2: do it General Street.
Speaker 1: Why do I think Meryl Streep is in it? Fact check?
Speaker 1: I will. So we're going to go into our reactionary segment.
Speaker 1: We're going to play you a clip.
Speaker 3: Okay, We're all gonna watch it, and we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about what the fuck we think about it.
Speaker 5: Okay, and I do see a lot of black women
Speaker 5: that will hate on a black man for dat and
Speaker 5: a white woman, but if the white man dates a
Speaker 5: black woman.
Speaker 1: He's almost praised for it.
Speaker 5: I saw a guy the other day and his account
Speaker 5: was man seeking mananated women, and he had like three
Speaker 5: hundred thousand lives. If I was supposed that, I would
Speaker 5: absolutely be slandered. And I don't think there's anything wrong
Speaker 5: with any one dating anyone because we literally fought for
Speaker 5: unity and thought to be able to love each other.
Speaker 5: You do see that the contrast of when a black
Speaker 5: man dates a white woman, I'll get comment saying like
Speaker 5: it's a fetish to you, Like what, I can't just
Speaker 5: love somebody?
Speaker 1: The world is full of hypocrites. If we want equality
Speaker 1: and we want everybody kumba, you can't be mad. If
Speaker 1: it's not everyone separate, then cool be mad?
Speaker 2: Now is there?
Speaker 1: Well? I don't like you talked about my ex. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the they just said.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, I don't girl, Liz, I don't know what
Speaker 2: they say about Then as generation day conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, we can also have a discussion. That's why I
Speaker 1: brought it up.
Speaker 3: So when hearing people say shit like black love can
Speaker 3: be hypocritical or celebrating white men dating black women. Gabby Citibrate,
Speaker 3: her husband is white.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he loves her. He'd be talking about her all
Speaker 4: the time. He loves her down and I'll have twins.
Speaker 1: Shout out to her. She's a whore hive member. She'd
Speaker 1: be in our comments.
Speaker 3: And I want to call a spades bade here. Gabby
Speaker 3: is plus eze and a dark skinned woman. She dated
Speaker 3: a white guy. I feel like we don't have a
Speaker 3: lot of conversation about black men and how critical they
Speaker 3: can be of dark skinned women and plus side.
Speaker 1: As women when they go the other way.
Speaker 3: Is there something you think that we're getting wires crossed
Speaker 3: me when it comes to white guys dating black women,
Speaker 3: because we do look at it.
Speaker 2: Like, yes, this find the one who will love you.
Speaker 2: That was the first thing I did when I saw
Speaker 2: Gabby's man. But when I see black men and white women,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, you can.
Speaker 1: Keep well, you know, so I should be transparent.
Speaker 4: I am the product of a black man and a
Speaker 4: white woman, and my husband is white, so I am
Speaker 4: you know, pro miscegenation right there? Okay, loving mers Virginia
Speaker 4: big Fan, I think It's complicated because I think when
Speaker 4: we talk about these things broadly, I can have opinions,
Speaker 4: but personally that doesn't necessarily mean what like works for individuals,
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm not going to say that Gabriel
Speaker 4: Sidibe's husband is chasing Melanie and like, I don't know him, right,
Speaker 4: and so they seem to be happy. He seems to
Speaker 4: be an adoring partner and an adoring husband, and she
Speaker 4: seems to be very in love with her children, and they,
Speaker 4: you know, like they seem to be very happy. I
Speaker 4: don't know them, and I think that's great. But I
Speaker 4: also understand that there are white men who fetishize women
Speaker 4: of color, black women, Asian women especially. That's a big thing,
Speaker 4: and so I think think like there should be heat
Speaker 4: for that broadly, fetishizing people, race or any or anything,
Speaker 4: to like treat people as an identifier, to be like
Speaker 4: I only like, you know, plus size women, or I
Speaker 4: only like skinny women, as if that is the thing
Speaker 4: that makes a person a person.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Can you tell me how does uh you know?
Speaker 3: In dating, we'll keep up with your husband fifteen years
Speaker 3: so such a long time. But is there a thing
Speaker 3: because I remember when I was dating everyone. I never
Speaker 3: really thought i'd really end up with a white guy,
Speaker 3: but I was dating for a long term.
Speaker 1: If they dated a lot of.
Speaker 3: Black women before me, that's a thing, yeah, I didn't like.
Speaker 3: But then I also didn't like if they've never dated
Speaker 3: a black person before. Tell me a little bit about
Speaker 3: what that was like with you today.
Speaker 4: So I was very young when we met. I was
Speaker 4: twenty four. Okay, so I'm thirty eight for people doing
Speaker 4: the math, it's fine thirty nine this year. And I
Speaker 4: don't think i'd really thought about a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 4: I grew up in Oakland. I grew up in the
Speaker 4: Bay Area, lots of mixed kids. It's mixed kid capital
Speaker 4: at the Blaze, everything like the kind of if there's
Speaker 4: a possibility, we got it.
Speaker 1: It's fusion. It's fusion cuisine over there.
Speaker 4: And so I don't think I had thought about what
Speaker 4: it meant politically socially until after I was already with
Speaker 4: mister Stax.
Speaker 1: Okay, I really had.
Speaker 4: We met in twenty ten, and you know, we talked
Speaker 4: about this on my show about like growth and the
Speaker 4: ways you've changed, and when we met, like I really
Speaker 4: wasn't as politically mind died as I am when it
Speaker 4: comes to racial politics. This was this predates like Trayvon Martin,
Speaker 4: which for me was sort of like a big awakening
Speaker 4: around race. Even though yeah, like it was a big
Speaker 4: deal for me, it really hearing people talk about the
Speaker 4: trial and like the things that people were saying about
Speaker 4: stand your ground, and that was really for me when
Speaker 4: I started to realize in a much it's not that
Speaker 4: I didn't realize racism existed, but it was for me
Speaker 4: when I started to realize how different racial groups, experiences
Speaker 4: of the world, the country could be. And so, but
Speaker 4: I was already with mister Sacks at that point for
Speaker 4: two and a half years, three years, and so I
Speaker 4: didn't really ask a lot of those questions. And again,
Speaker 4: when you grow up in a place where a lot
Speaker 4: of your friends come you know your friends have a
Speaker 4: Filipino mom and a black dad there, I don't think
Speaker 4: those questions get asked, whereas I think some for a
Speaker 4: lot of mixed kids who come from places where they're
Speaker 4: the only mixed kid in the community or there's very few,
Speaker 4: there are questions about what does it mean to be
Speaker 4: like the only one?
Speaker 1: I never felt like the only one. I wasn't really
Speaker 1: answered because it's so honest.
Speaker 3: We always want to hold black women super accountable for
Speaker 3: how things make them feel, and we don't really give
Speaker 3: black people a space to be like I didn't really know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you knew.
Speaker 2: It's like well, and my so my dad, it was.
Speaker 1: My dad black, and he was a lot older than
Speaker 1: my mom.
Speaker 4: He grew up he was from Louisiana, part of the
Speaker 4: Great Migration, but grew up during you know, drim Crow
Speaker 4: Solevil rights. He was born in nineteen thirty five. Oh way,
Speaker 4: so he didn't get the right to vote till he
Speaker 4: was thirty thirty something. Yeah, right, like so like different era.
Speaker 4: And he always talked about like racism twice as good,
Speaker 4: like that whole thing. That was very much part in
Speaker 4: my mind, right, And it was like you gotta you
Speaker 4: have to have black friends, you have Like he was
Speaker 4: very much that, but also was my dad. And so
Speaker 4: you're a kid and you're like, he doesn't know he's
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 1: My mom, right.
Speaker 4: And I also remember being like he would like I
Speaker 4: remember the OJ trial being such a big deal to him,
Speaker 4: and like I remember years later I read a book
Speaker 4: about OJ, and I told my dad was like, I
Speaker 4: think OJ did it and my dad was like, I
Speaker 4: don't care. They planted evidence, they tried to frame him,
Speaker 4: and he deserved to get off.
Speaker 1: And that was like a.
Speaker 4: Huge moment in I think that was and eight thousand
Speaker 4: and nine, for the like one of the first times
Speaker 4: that it clicked to me what my dad had really
Speaker 4: been saying, right like that, It like that there was.
Speaker 6: A political agenda, agenda, like a political worldview that was
Speaker 6: more input than any individual event.
Speaker 4: And so that you know predates me having met my
Speaker 4: husband by a few years, but like all of that
Speaker 4: kind of coming together in that period of my life
Speaker 4: from like nineteen to twenty five was really when I
Speaker 4: started to think about race and like what it means
Speaker 4: to be mixed, and like what the what the political
Speaker 4: implications are of having a white mom and a black dad,
Speaker 4: right and all of these things and so and.
Speaker 1: Now you're the opposite.
Speaker 4: Now we're the opposite, right exactly. And people have a
Speaker 4: lot of opinions about my relationship and my upbringing and
Speaker 4: all of these things, and that is for them to have.
Speaker 4: I feel like, I don't know about you guys, but
Speaker 4: like it's hard to really think too critically about your
Speaker 4: racial identity when you're a mixed because I think it's
Speaker 4: I think it can be really uncomfortable. Like the fact
Speaker 4: of the matter is I have a white mom and
Speaker 4: a black dad, and there's nothing that I can do
Speaker 4: about it. So like going into a place where I'm
Speaker 4: like it means this or it means that is hard
Speaker 4: because it's like, so I just shouldn't exist rightly.
Speaker 2: God, Tracy, you know, mine is harder today than as
Speaker 2: a kid because I love my dad who is Israeli, right,
Speaker 2: and hate everything that's happening.
Speaker 4: Right Well, I'm black and Jewish. Also my mom's Jewish,
Speaker 4: So I'm so I were flipped. Yeah, but I but
Speaker 4: we have this shared sort of free Palestine. And also
Speaker 4: this is part of I mean my mom is is
Speaker 4: uh European Jewish, not Israeli Jewish.
Speaker 1: But but this is also a reason why.
Speaker 3: And I'm joking and being facetious when I say this.
Speaker 3: I saw this stuff of doctoring Marvi and.
Speaker 2: Like no rice, no ice, no spice, just you know,
Speaker 2: just black.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, mixed kids are fucked up. Not one
Speaker 3: of my mixed hone girls, not one, not one has
Speaker 3: not expressed identity issues with me, hating their hair, being
Speaker 3: unsure feeling fucked up.
Speaker 1: The ones with white moms genuinely.
Speaker 3: Seemed to skew more into like this savior complex with
Speaker 3: certain shit with white people, and then the otherwise it's
Speaker 3: weird as fuck. And I think when you have parents
Speaker 3: of the same race, whatever they may be, Asian, Latino, whatever,
Speaker 3: there is something that's a little bit easier. And so
Speaker 3: then I would ask you just to wrap it. What
Speaker 3: is a difficult conversation you had that end well with
Speaker 3: your husband about oh my god, we're pregnant for raising
Speaker 3: these two mixed kids, how are we gonna do this?
Speaker 3: What was the point and of course related to race,
Speaker 3: like what was something that really shaped parenting for you guys?
Speaker 1: Gosh, you know, I think like.
Speaker 4: We've had so many conversations about race over the years,
Speaker 4: there isn't one that we had specifically about like the twins,
Speaker 4: because the.
Speaker 2: Girls are boy boys, so they're well, eventually you'll probably
Speaker 2: have to talk to them about existing as black.
Speaker 4: Sure exactly, and and they're extremely fair.
Speaker 1: Okay that my my, this is so weird.
Speaker 4: But like one of my bigger fears for them is
Speaker 4: that they're going to be in spaces where people don't
Speaker 4: know that they're black and they're going to experience racism
Speaker 4: like sort of like undercover. Oh, and I'm really worried
Speaker 4: about that, like I especially when they're younger, Like I think,
Speaker 4: you know, when they get older, they will understand, but
Speaker 4: I'm worried like the first time someone says something racist
Speaker 4: about black people to them, like out a sleepover or something, and.
Speaker 1: They don't know that they're black.
Speaker 4: Well they don't and they don't know how to respond,
Speaker 4: and they don't like and I'm worried. You know, think
Speaker 4: about being like eight and someone's saying something talking about
Speaker 4: your parent or something without.
Speaker 1: This fear you have is real.
Speaker 3: My boyfriend told me, he's like, it's always a mixed
Speaker 3: people that be going hard, like Angela Davis and Malcolm
Speaker 3: X and shit. He's like, this is why you're like this,
Speaker 3: because you existed in spaces where people were like I
Speaker 3: gonna talk about black people. Maybe she's seeing it, maybe
Speaker 3: she's something else I'm gonna talk. And he's like, whether
Speaker 3: you can remember a moment or not, you heard it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: mixed kids get to have that, yeah, And I think like, yeah,
Speaker 3: so I think that's one of the things that we've
Speaker 3: talked about that I'm really concerned about is like that experience.
Speaker 4: Because also, I mean, I think that they look black,
Speaker 4: and I think black people think that they look black,
Speaker 4: but I know white people don't can't tell.
Speaker 1: That's like, Okay, hold on, is Rashida Jones black? She's black?
Speaker 1: Can we see? Yes? She looks black. I don't do
Speaker 1: it on the office, and now I see it every day.
Speaker 1: Rashida Jones looks black as hell to me on the office.
Speaker 1: I said it, did y'all see it? I knew she
Speaker 1: was before I ever saw.
Speaker 3: The harness Rashida Jones on Black af Rashida Jones and
Speaker 3: other movies?
Speaker 1: What was it? This is forty. You don't think she
Speaker 1: looks black? Bitch?
Speaker 4: No, she if she walked in a room, you wouldn't
Speaker 4: think that's a black woman.
Speaker 2: I would think she's spicy white. No, not black at all.
Speaker 2: She doesn't even black features.
Speaker 1: She looks black.
Speaker 4: Quincy Jones, that's Quincy Jones's daughter, that's Keydata Jones's sister.
Speaker 1: Crazy her. And I don't think Megan Markle looks black?
Speaker 1: Okay you are? Are?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 7: That is crazy? I look black and Megan Markle, bitch,
Speaker 7: you got me fucked up like you love gushed to
Speaker 7: meet fucking black Megan Marcle. That's why she exists as
Speaker 7: a passive woman.
Speaker 2: She only even likes her blackness because of how she
Speaker 2: gets treated there and.
Speaker 1: You're literally dying. One thing.
Speaker 4: I have a I have a lot of thoughts about
Speaker 4: Megan Markle, But one of the things about Megan Markle
Speaker 4: that drives me crazy is she always talks about how
Speaker 4: nobody knows she's black, And I'm like, black people know
Speaker 4: you are black.
Speaker 1: You're telling me this woman, don't. She could have passed.
Speaker 2: She don't look black, couldn't pass. She could be a
Speaker 2: pass She could pass back in the thirties. She could
Speaker 2: have passed as a white woman like that.
Speaker 1: Girl and still pull her up as a kid with
Speaker 1: her nappy hair. This is her hottest take of all time.
Speaker 1: This is what's not It is real. People is listening, like,
Speaker 1: you know, don't look like I literally, I literally when.
Speaker 2: I saw her little documentary, I was like, Oh, you're
Speaker 2: only leaning into the blackness because now you're experiencing racism.
Speaker 1: She's she was existing. There's a non black woman her
Speaker 1: whole live she was.
Speaker 2: They only added the little the little Black Daddy because
Speaker 2: of Okay, wait, pa she don't look pause pause, pause
Speaker 2: pause when the announcement, did you know who she was
Speaker 2: before the announcement came out?
Speaker 1: You did?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 1: You knew her from suit and she looked like white
Speaker 1: woman own suit. Okay, so I've never seen her, never
Speaker 1: heard of her.
Speaker 4: Having a black daddy is saying a bo racial you
Speaker 4: never seen her. I've never seen her, never heard of her.
Speaker 4: The announcement comes out, Prince Harry is engaged. I see No,
Speaker 4: it doesn't say just as I Prince Harry is engaged.
Speaker 1: I see her. I said, oh my god, we're going
Speaker 1: to the palace. She is black as hell.
Speaker 4: To me, she could pass. That's what I hate about
Speaker 4: her is that she wishes she could pass. I'm like,
Speaker 4: we see you. My first comment and stunt. I watched
Speaker 4: close of her act.
Speaker 1: Seeing photos on together, and I said, oh she was
Speaker 1: she was a little girl. I remember, she wish she was.
Speaker 1: I don't think she likes this. She's black, honey, don't matter.
Speaker 1: She don't look like.
Speaker 2: I'm actually not gonna speak on a black woman not
Speaker 2: liking Macdemian black, but.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, based off the documentary.
Speaker 2: I saw, yeah, like she had that.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying she also tried to be like,
Speaker 1: we never talked about race. Do you see what I mean?
Speaker 1: But that's what I don't.
Speaker 4: That's something that makes me mad about her, because let's
Speaker 4: just do a little let's do her little dramaturgy.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: She is forty one or forty two. I believe she's
Speaker 1: from LA.
Speaker 4: She went to high school right kind of like oh
Speaker 4: my kids, Yeah, right north of Koreatown. She went to
Speaker 4: school right north of Koreatown, like on Western on your
Speaker 4: way up to Griffith Park. She would have been ten
Speaker 4: or eleven when the La riots happened. Don't fucking tell
Speaker 4: me you didn't talk about race when that was happening.
Speaker 4: When I don't tell me you never thought about race
Speaker 4: as a kid, say that was the thing to me
Speaker 4: where I'm like, and with your mom, you don't think
Speaker 4: your mom just casually mentioned well, Rodney King Darling, like,
Speaker 4: are you fucking kidding me? That's what makes me mad
Speaker 4: about her. It's not that she looks how she looks.
Speaker 4: She looks how she but.
Speaker 1: Also look how your mom looks.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna tell me race wasn't talk about because
Speaker 2: you also are so much fatter than your mom.
Speaker 4: Yes, there's not not that much but not that no,
Speaker 4: not that much of a black lady.
Speaker 2: But there's always conversations and households. I know, me and
Speaker 2: my homegirl talk about like how her all of her siblings,
Speaker 2: they all have the same mom and same dad. She's
Speaker 2: dark skinned, So even within a household of different shades
Speaker 2: of brown, the conversation around.
Speaker 4: Yes, race and skin. Yes, that's the part about her
Speaker 4: that makes me mad. Not even that she doesn't want
Speaker 4: to be black, like fine, whatever, that's if she If
Speaker 4: she doesn't feel comfortable, whatever, that's her thing, that's her journey.
Speaker 4: But don't sit here and lie on your mom and
Speaker 4: the fucking world in nineteen ninety two and like today,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 1: Followed up immediately by OJ, she's here in.
Speaker 2: This city and hey, yeah, I ain't talk about no
Speaker 2: gad Yeah race you I know you fucking talked about
Speaker 2: it in class.
Speaker 1: Probably all the white girls are probably so scared to
Speaker 1: go to Koreatown, right, like you know exactly, So.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't do us justice to not make this episode
Speaker 3: about erotica, because literally, you know, when we're doing a
Speaker 3: pod together and you're like, let's do the cross what
Speaker 3: pot I'm like, are we gonna talk about twins, No,
Speaker 3: We'll talk about erotica.
Speaker 4: OK, So I feel like I'd be better at twins
Speaker 4: than at erotica.
Speaker 3: No, but the history of erotica is still is super interesting.
Speaker 3: So now in Decisions Decisions, we talk about the history
Speaker 3: of different elements of sex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and erotica is that.
Speaker 3: So erotica took a hit during the Victorian era, which
Speaker 3: to me is no surprise because that's when you saw.
Speaker 1: The course set taties.
Speaker 3: So it says puritanical ideals were dominating mainstream culture so
Speaker 3: much that the novels became so taboo, considered low brow,
Speaker 3: and the quality of writing was dropping just because they
Speaker 3: thought sex was bottom tier. And so it didn't get
Speaker 3: to hit mainstream again until the twentieth century, when great
Speaker 3: writers Kate Chopin, Nabokov, Henry Miller began to publish more
Speaker 3: explicit books through traditional means. Since then, erotica is considered
Speaker 3: part of mainstream culture.
Speaker 1: Romance is a top three book don't want to read.
Speaker 3: And so the internet then took over culture climate, which
Speaker 3: made fan fiction should I used to read of erotica,
Speaker 3: And I must say I didn't even really think about
Speaker 3: fan fiction and erotica, but when we talk about history,
Speaker 3: it's such a big part of it.
Speaker 1: It is in the book.
Speaker 2: I believe it's my chapter around masturbation and loving myself.
Speaker 2: I joke that I used to sit at the computer
Speaker 2: and get fucking wet and sit in a puddle reading
Speaker 2: about getting a gang bang by the b two K
Speaker 2: boys Chris Brown and bow Wow, And I'm like, why
Speaker 2: the fuck was I thirteen wanted to be gang bang
Speaker 2: by all the guys that I liked. Listening to Girl
Speaker 2: making us on our Nie shows you how far the
Speaker 2: Internet has come.
Speaker 1: We need so much now, not only porn. You gotta
Speaker 1: come out through AI, you gotta VR. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I just saw okay, don't judge me.
Speaker 2: So on my following tab because all I do is
Speaker 2: follow porn stars on X. I came across the AI
Speaker 2: pictures of porn and so it's these women that literally
Speaker 2: lay like this, and so it's big titties and a
Speaker 2: leaking vagina with the Buddha hole just winking at you.
Speaker 1: I was still turned on.
Speaker 2: I was like this AI image of this thick bussy
Speaker 2: leaking pussy, but them.
Speaker 1: I love. I was like, I don't think I red.
Speaker 1: Is it because they look perfect?
Speaker 4: Bitch?
Speaker 1: Perfect? Okay, see I get turned hard flaws. I'm talking
Speaker 1: like I need a little cell you like, and it was.
Speaker 2: Oiled up, bitch, I said, I might have book marked it.
Speaker 2: That shit looked so good.
Speaker 1: Damn Tracy times to get uncomfortable, book girl.
Speaker 2: If you had to get off from some porn, would
Speaker 2: you rather read it or watch it?
Speaker 6: Hmmm?
Speaker 1: I think read because then you can sort of imagine.
Speaker 4: M Yes, I think like like because I feel like
Speaker 4: sometimes when you watch, like something will happen and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't like that, Like it'll like get in the way.
Speaker 1: And I feel like when you're reading, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it allows you to imagine this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah what e Rodica has made you feel that
Speaker 3: way where you were like, wow, this is that powerful.
Speaker 3: Now I'm thinking, okay, don't judge, don't judge me, don't
Speaker 3: judge me me.
Speaker 1: The first time I ever read something where I was
Speaker 1: like was fifty Shades of Gray? Really, but this was
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen years ago. No, but that's so so.
Speaker 4: I was like real, I was really into the like
Speaker 4: rich rich, rich, rich, dumb thing. I was like, this
Speaker 4: is great. No, wonder that was my favorite chapter here,
Speaker 4: yours wasn't rich like that. It wasn't like I'm really well,
Speaker 4: it wasn't rich like yeh wasn't he wasn't a Christian,
Speaker 4: he wasn't Christian gray, but but I get it. But
Speaker 4: I like was into that also again, I was like
Speaker 4: twenty three, twenty four, and so that kind of like
Speaker 4: now when I think back on it, I'm embarrassed by
Speaker 4: liking it because the relationship dynamics were so fucked and
Speaker 4: it was not really like consens yeah really like but
Speaker 4: but it was like it did turn me on.
Speaker 1: I was like excited by it.
Speaker 2: I'm only gonna agree with you as well because for me,
Speaker 2: the way my mind and pussy worked together while I
Speaker 2: read Addicted by Zane, and the way it didn't translate
Speaker 2: for me in the film, like, I was really glad
Speaker 2: that they had bors Kujo.
Speaker 1: Let's be very clear that Nigga is fine.
Speaker 2: He was black and black, he looks black mixed, right,
Speaker 2: he is, He's German, He's from German, right. If him
Speaker 2: and his wife want me to join and will anytime
Speaker 2: of else and he.
Speaker 1: Ti they could be a couple of seven if they wanted.
Speaker 2: But when the movie came out, it didn't even feel
Speaker 2: as sexy and and addicted was I probably read that
Speaker 2: after your Coldest Winter Ever, and addicted got me obsessed
Speaker 2: with all of Zane's books. Went from that to Chocolate series,
Speaker 2: that chocolate, you know, all the things, and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: this movie failed in the sex department for this book
Speaker 2: that was literally all set.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing too, It's like it's so imaginative, right, i'mlike,
Speaker 3: with fifty Shades of Gray, you've being able to do that.
Speaker 2: For me, reading Fifty Shades of Gray enjoyed it. I
Speaker 2: had read so many really kinky books. I would go
Speaker 2: to a banned book section and just keep digging, right,
Speaker 2: And I think I got excited by fifty Shades even
Speaker 2: though I was super young, because I knew everybody else
Speaker 2: would now get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's what I think was beautiful about that. Oh,
Speaker 3: I really want to talk about the most famous piece
Speaker 3: of erotica all time.
Speaker 1: We all know it. Do the Kamma suture?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yeah, So we did a whole episode on
Speaker 2: that as well.
Speaker 1: Ancient India.
Speaker 3: It was written and the Western world incorrectly regards it
Speaker 3: as a manual for sex physitions, but there are seven
Speaker 3: books that make it up, and it's so much more
Speaker 3: philosophical than sexual, and eroticism plays an undeniable role in it,
Speaker 3: obviously because it's taught us so much about love, connection
Speaker 3: or just free for all sex, like it covers everything.
Speaker 1: We also see a.
Speaker 3: Lot of erotica. I've never heard of this, but shunga.
Speaker 3: Thousand years ago there was an art tradition called shunga
Speaker 3: in Japan, which were colorful images of lovers with super
Speaker 3: large almost calmon gold genitalia, and it was spread across
Speaker 3: the audience to Japan and then China. It would literally
Speaker 3: be this is a woman bending over as a client
Speaker 3: lubricating a meal prostitute. These would be hung up not
Speaker 3: only throughout the town but through transit in books everywhere
Speaker 3: because it was considered art. So again erotica also being
Speaker 3: not just literature. But yeah, in the Italian Renaissance.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't get this, because you know sometimes when
Speaker 3: the words a little too much not for you. I
Speaker 3: start going through this thing and I'm like, they're literally
Speaker 3: talking about the statues in Rome, the dicks, the balls,
Speaker 3: the hair on it, all of it. All of this
Speaker 3: was erotica in Italy.
Speaker 1: There's some fucking hot statues.
Speaker 4: There's one not okay, this is it's unconsensual, so don't
Speaker 4: get out to me. But there is a statue. I no,
Speaker 4: there's a statue of I think it's called the Rape
Speaker 4: of Persephone. Oh wow, and it is. I think it's
Speaker 4: like a it's like a Greek myth. But the way
Speaker 4: that the marble is it's like he's grabbing her thigh
Speaker 4: and you can see like the dimples, like the art
Speaker 4: is like the marble is so well done, but it's
Speaker 4: like holy shit, like it's not I mean, it's it
Speaker 4: is erotic, but it's also just like you can feel
Speaker 4: the warmth of the scene, and which is wild because
Speaker 4: it's fucking marble.
Speaker 2: To me, it's crazy because most statues that I see,
Speaker 2: like especially when they're dude, my eyes go right to
Speaker 2: the dick and the dix be small on statues, like
Speaker 2: they don't ever.
Speaker 1: Like they're like, damn, how much a little bit material
Speaker 1: right here? Yeah, like all embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Maybe Dick's grew over time, like Jesus they said, yes,
Speaker 2: maybe not showers, but can you have him hang a
Speaker 2: little bit, he's a great god, can we give him
Speaker 2: something curious?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So erotica's evolution is interesting because it says, what's the
Speaker 2: difference between art, erotica, the Little Her, and porn? And
Speaker 2: where it gets murky is the word pornography didn't exist
Speaker 2: until the eighteen hundreds, and when society became obsessed with
Speaker 2: labeling pornography, it was because they didn't consider it to
Speaker 2: be art. And so I find that funny because it's
Speaker 2: almost like the whole hierarchy back in.
Speaker 3: The day, like, oh well, our statues of sex are
Speaker 3: better than you actually fucking on camera is basically what
Speaker 3: they were all saying. And so now today the concept
Speaker 3: of pornography is not considered erotica because they're the censorships around.
Speaker 1: I will say it's crazy because.
Speaker 2: In the book I talk about how meeting a community
Speaker 2: of people that viewed sex's art helped to transform my
Speaker 2: brains to view it that way. I didn't think that
Speaker 2: nudes or porn or any of that was art until recently.
Speaker 3: Sure and interviewed a friend of ours. She's a porn
Speaker 3: star sinceon in Love she's doing like catalogs, Like I
Speaker 3: can't think of what she's doing, but she's basically finding
Speaker 3: porn archives and she's bringing them to Harvard and having
Speaker 3: people study about it. It was Harvard, right, she says
Speaker 3: that Harvard already has it exists there, Oh, Harvard already has.
Speaker 1: She's doing something she's.
Speaker 2: Doing another college's not it, but just pulling the archives.
Speaker 2: And even I'm sitting with her and this friend of ours,
Speaker 2: we love her. I'm like, what college, Like, how do
Speaker 2: you really connect the dots with this?
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it is part
Speaker 1: of our art history.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I mean there's so many things that
Speaker 4: got short shrift Shakespeare wind say culturally that are like
Speaker 4: that's so important and was labeled one way or another
Speaker 4: and then made it taboo or like off limits. Yeah,
Speaker 4: clearly porn is one of them. And I think erotica
Speaker 4: and erotic lit also, just like to stay on my thief.
Speaker 4: Is interesting because with book talk now, they're sort of
Speaker 4: like this reclamation of horny books in a way, even
Speaker 4: though people were all people were always reading romance romances,
Speaker 4: like you know, the ro manopular genre.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy because I can't remember what I was
Speaker 2: having this conversation with. But those are even separate in bookstores.
Speaker 2: So you have romance, which is more about love, yes,
Speaker 2: and then erotica.
Speaker 1: But but a lot of romance.
Speaker 4: Books are now bringing in more so they have like
Speaker 4: closed door romance or open door. So open door means
Speaker 4: you have the sex scene. Closed door means like we
Speaker 4: made out and then he pushed me on the bed
Speaker 4: and slammed the door, and then it's like the next
Speaker 4: morning I woke up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so if it's open setscene jraycy uh.
Speaker 4: He pushed me on the bed and then we jumped
Speaker 4: to chapter. But that's that'll have. I mean, the thing
Speaker 4: that's so interesting in romance books also is it's like
Speaker 4: my heat or like they won't say they don't a
Speaker 4: lot of times they don't say anatomical body parts or
Speaker 4: or even words like they won't say pussy. They'll be
Speaker 4: like he was patching, he felt my wet or was
Speaker 4: between my legs.
Speaker 1: I tried to do a little of that. I know
Speaker 1: it was tough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of synonyms. Okay, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of creative language happening.
Speaker 2: Oh that's where and I used to talk about it
Speaker 2: all the time. Zaan for the buddhahole would call it
Speaker 2: a chocolate starfish.
Speaker 1: So even though she even.
Speaker 2: Though she definitely wrote pussy this for the asshole, she
Speaker 2: referred to it as a chocolate starters.
Speaker 1: Some things.
Speaker 3: I found some passages of erotica over time, and it's
Speaker 3: it's just crazy how shit changes. But this is in
Speaker 3: classical literature, and just like Tracy saying, let's.
Speaker 1: See if it makes that pussy throat okay.
Speaker 2: Then late one night, as he was undressing for bed,
Speaker 2: she tapped at his door timidly. She wanted to relight
Speaker 2: her candle at his, for hers had been blown out
Speaker 2: by gust.
Speaker 1: It was her back night. She wore a loose, open flannel,
Speaker 1: her white in steps shone in the opening of her
Speaker 1: fur slippers, and blood glowed warmly behind her perfume skin
Speaker 1: from her hands and wrists to as she lit and
Speaker 1: steadied her candle and think perfume arose. He came forward,
Speaker 1: that is exactly what you just said.
Speaker 4: This is what time period is this? I mean there
Speaker 4: were censorship rules like you couldn't say things. So I
Speaker 4: think like the furry is saying a lot, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of words that are doing a lot of work
Speaker 4: in that passage slippers, right, but just like the no
Speaker 4: no she said, like text, like the words that are being.
Speaker 1: Used, the perfumed skin exactly.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of the scriptors the loose fitted and
Speaker 4: he undressed. It was her bath night, so that like continuated.
Speaker 3: And also also nudity night is such an interesting thing
Speaker 3: because you remember they wouldn't do it all Dagura Sharon
Speaker 3: i WA's what it doesn't say the year, but it's
Speaker 3: called Dangerous Liaisons by Pierre Oh yeah, so I'm famous.
Speaker 4: That's that's what cruel intentions it is based off. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: and there's a Dangerous Liaisons movie.
Speaker 2: I think you shall fight for them. Yeah. I didn't
Speaker 2: watch it though, but I know Sean Wro It's always
Speaker 2: suggested to me. Okay, this one is literally about stealing virginity.
Speaker 2: I think I shall possess this woman, bless you, thank you.
Speaker 2: I shall steal her from the husband who profanes her.
Speaker 2: I will even dare ravish her from the god she adores.
Speaker 2: What a delight to turn her into an object. Far
Speaker 2: be it from me to destroy the prejudices which sway
Speaker 2: her mind. They will add to my happiness. Let her
Speaker 2: believe in virtue, and sacrifice it to me. Let the
Speaker 2: idea of falling terrify her, and may she be shaken
Speaker 2: by a thousand terrors in my arms.
Speaker 1: This don't sound like virginitay, you like you're going to
Speaker 1: slot out the moodys, Ryan Phillip, your character.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you this right now, that was
Speaker 2: one that was one white boy they used to have me,
Speaker 2: Ryan Philippi.
Speaker 1: Girl, white boys didn't even go to my school. Was
Speaker 1: that of that era?
Speaker 2: When I tell you Ryan Philippi was a cute little
Speaker 2: I said, this is the American white boy.
Speaker 1: That's Ryan Phillip. That's cute. He was cute. What's happening?
Speaker 1: This is my American was married to what's her face?
Speaker 4: That's Witherspoon's ex husband intensions. You gone.
Speaker 2: I feel like recently he don't look as good as
Speaker 2: he did back in the day. Oh my god, he
Speaker 2: aged like.
Speaker 4: That bitch right now, Petro Pascal no no I was
Speaker 4: thinking about someone from the back of the day.
Speaker 1: Linda love Hand got that same Christian.
Speaker 2: And look how good he used to fucking look was
Speaker 2: do you want to hear?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: Ryan Philippi looked like milk.
Speaker 4: I always I always liked I didn't like Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 1: Oh, love LYO, lovely girl. I wanted.
Speaker 2: I wanted little me in a car like he Oh my,
Speaker 2: that was suggestive sex. That was sad.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, hand the hands, handing, saw nip and draw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw the whole That was a sexy fucking scene.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that. Now, I do want
Speaker 1: to know we're talking about all these white people like this.
Speaker 1: Well you said it was your white boy. That's why
Speaker 1: I went to be there.
Speaker 3: And we're really gonna be honest here, like a lot
Speaker 3: of the black sex movie scenes came so much later from.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 4: And also, I mean it should be said that erotica,
Speaker 4: at least in literature black books were really stigmatized, like.
Speaker 1: They want the soldier was and she where he draw?
Speaker 2: I think for me though, to like black erotic literature
Speaker 2: always and maybe it was the ones I like to read,
Speaker 2: but it is thereo typed Black people are so bad,
Speaker 2: like there was always gang's drugs, violence, death, then sex.
Speaker 4: And that also has a lot to do with just
Speaker 4: the world of publishing and racism, in.
Speaker 1: Which makes sense.
Speaker 2: But a lot of the books that I read there
Speaker 2: were drug dealers, they lived.
Speaker 1: In the projects. Even even once they lived in the projects,
Speaker 1: she met midnight.
Speaker 3: I hate that all my black love stories were traffickers
Speaker 3: because if I think about my.
Speaker 1: Favorite black sex scene ever of.
Speaker 2: Movies, Baby Boy, I never saw it. So I used
Speaker 2: to like love and basketball. I think that I don't
Speaker 2: know as an adult, I have not want gone back.
Speaker 2: Do not go back.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go back.
Speaker 2: I'm really mad that a movie that is a classic
Speaker 2: that I love, I watched it recently.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's justly your favorite movie.
Speaker 2: Now I hate you about this short only because I
Speaker 2: was the Air Force, and that's why I really want
Speaker 2: to talk about more porn, erotica, dirty shit with you
Speaker 2: because they're such a nice woman. But fe tale everybody
Speaker 2: where to find you and what they can expect.
Speaker 1: Listening to Stax pod.
Speaker 4: You can find me at the Stacks podcast on Instagram,
Speaker 4: the saxpodcast dot com. I do a weekly show. It's
Speaker 4: about books. You can find me talking about books. Honestly,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna find me talking about pussy. Yeah, don't worry,
Speaker 4: there's hard They only have us for that. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: already have your your pussy place. The pussy palace. I'm
Speaker 4: more of the page's palace, if you will.
Speaker 2: However, we did an episode so if you don't to
Speaker 2: hear books and plenty, Okay.
Speaker 4: The thing about my show that I feel like is
Speaker 4: really fun for people and fun for me is that
Speaker 4: all sorts of people write books, and so I get
Speaker 4: to do an episode with you all where I talk
Speaker 4: about sex and friendship and a running all these things.
Speaker 4: And then you know, I think the week before you're
Speaker 4: or no, sorry, that's not true because this is come
Speaker 4: out in July. I think that, like, you know, around
Speaker 4: the time that your book comes out or your your
Speaker 4: episode comes out. Got an episode about a thriller coming out.
Speaker 4: He did a book for book club in June called
Speaker 4: The Art Thief, which is about a guy who stole
Speaker 4: a bunch of art.
Speaker 1: We did, you know?
Speaker 4: We're doing all sorts of books, and I'm trying to,
Speaker 4: you know, highlight different kinds of literature and get people,
Speaker 4: you know, in April we do poetry months because it's
Speaker 4: natural poetrymonths. We do all sorts of shit. But I
Speaker 4: think the most important thing to say to people is
Speaker 4: I tried not to ever let anyone feel like they're
Speaker 4: too dumb for books because I think you know, similarly,
Speaker 4: you all probably deal with a lot of stigma around
Speaker 4: sex and all this stuff, and there's that in the
Speaker 4: book world where people feel they're not smart enough for books.
Speaker 1: They don't not understand and read books, and now they do.
Speaker 1: We don't wrote it, you wrote it, you read it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I want people to feel like I always
Speaker 4: say I'm the dumbest person in the room, like when
Speaker 4: I'm talking to these people who have pull zerprizes, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, so, what kind of smacks deally? You know,
Speaker 4: but like it's also all nervous too. It's like I
Speaker 4: want people to feel welcome into the book world, and
Speaker 4: there's enough books for it.
Speaker 3: That's why people love THEO and Donald Trump. We need
Speaker 3: to see human granular.
Speaker 1: Level that shit. Don't compare me to Donald Trump, but
Speaker 1: otherwise that's yeah, that is life. THEO is so great.
Speaker 1: I hate him for what he did. I really think
Speaker 1: it contributed to the vote.
Speaker 3: But being a good interviewer is asking shit no one
Speaker 3: else on their pressa uruant you did from Andy and
Speaker 3: I so thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh good, I got a good questions. So you guys, yeah,
Speaker 1: how did we write the book?
Speaker 3: Like when you said, how down to where we did
Speaker 3: it laptop phone?
Speaker 1: It was such a great question.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks my goods, Well, thank you guys for
Speaker 2: having me. This was fun by everybody. Go and check
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