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Speaker 1: Welcome to Decisions Decisions. I don't think you should say

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Speaker 1: decision decisions. It sounded like you was talking to Kirsty.

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Speaker 1: You definitely say to welcome, welcome to the new podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, you want to say together decisions decisions. Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 2: welcome to another episode of this Sizzy Y'all's the Sizzy y'all.

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Speaker 1: We are not you putting the glasses on the authors.

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Speaker 2: Oh my guy, you are the authors of no host

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Speaker 2: part I knew sitting with Tracy, the host of the

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Speaker 2: Stacks podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: And I want to play you the clip of how

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Speaker 3: I found you because I just thought so.

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Speaker 1: We had Brian.

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Speaker 3: Brandon and if you don't remember his episode, it may

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Speaker 3: have been like last year, maybe even.

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Speaker 1: Two years ago, a while ago. Oh there's his book. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it was for his book. Yeah, so he was

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Speaker 1: on from you Gotta Be You.

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Speaker 2: I saw this clip of Tracy and I just wanted

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Speaker 2: to talk to her or follow her because the clip

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Speaker 2: was so funny. And then I realized, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: this bitch does books.

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Speaker 1: Not this bitch does book.

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Speaker 4: She does you a buck, Debbie does, Dallas Cracy does,

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Speaker 4: but he does book.

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Speaker 1: So this is a clip and I want you guys

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Speaker 1: to hear this because I was like, oh, she's fine.

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Speaker 4: I am the worst mom in the social group of

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Speaker 4: moms in the world of children. I have five year

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Speaker 4: old twins, as you know, and there are moms who.

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Speaker 1: Want to be friends. I don't want to be fun.

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Speaker 1: I have frin and I will ignore, sure, I will lie.

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Speaker 4: That's so my favorite move is like, hey, do you

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Speaker 4: guys want to like do a playdate tomorrow or like

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Speaker 4: later today? Leave on red until I'm like an hour after.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, I'm just we're just getting

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Speaker 4: out of something grew and I is so honest.

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Speaker 2: It's true. Moms act like I am. I'm hanging this

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Speaker 1: It's like what if you hate them?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's so different than like, hoes want to

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Speaker 2: be friends with other hose because they relate.

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Speaker 1: So moms want to be friends.

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Speaker 2: With other moms because now we have something, yes, but

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Speaker 2: we don't comly.

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Speaker 4: Want to talk about stupid kids. Shit, that's our problem.

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Speaker 4: It's not even that these women I wouldn't want to

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Speaker 4: be friends with in other circumstances, but all they want

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Speaker 4: to talk about is like, what does your kid eat?

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Speaker 4: What time did they go to bed? And I'm just like,

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Speaker 4: have you watched you a TV show recently?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: Do you like sports?

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Speaker 4: Like? It doesn't even have to be like tell me

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Speaker 4: your trauma. It can just be anything other than to

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Speaker 4: your own dangerous. But who do you talk about your

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Speaker 3: Because if you think about it, one of my friends

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Speaker 2: I was like, day, i'll hear from me anymore. She's like,

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Speaker 2: you don't want to hear about this kid shit?

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Speaker 1: And I know it's crazy. One.

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Speaker 2: None of my friends talk to me about their kids

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Speaker 4: I could care less abou other people's kids, so too,

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Speaker 4: I don't even want to talk about my kids like

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Speaker 1: I mean you can, I don't. So just a few

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Speaker 4: I don't I ever say my kid's names publicly, and

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Speaker 4: I don't ever put them on social media.

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Speaker 1: Give voice right and girl, we're gonna do that to

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Speaker 1: the men we fought.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we never say their names on the podcast, and

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Speaker 4: My kids are I try to keep them private for

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll tell you their story of why I

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Speaker 4: And it was really disorienting because I knew the kid's name,

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Speaker 3: This is ridiculous, and I'm not trying to compare your

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Speaker 1: I was driving one day in La.

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Speaker 2: My dog is uh hanging out the window.

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Speaker 3: I'm like sitting outside the car. Girl walks by and

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Speaker 3: goes hey, Nina and doesn't speak to me, and I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh, bitch, Yeah, it's weird. Looney too, Yeah

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Speaker 3: it's weird. And yeah, when I go.

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Speaker 2: On Live My My My like core like fans literally

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Speaker 2: refer to Body my cat as their nephew.

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Speaker 1: Where is my nephew at that's cute, but they know Body.

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Speaker 2: They're like, Body done got so big because that's my kid.

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Speaker 1: My cat does go on the internet.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like, oh wow, y'all have known Body

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Speaker 3: When we were first starting this episode, I said, oh

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Speaker 3: my god, Tracy, have to hold this thought. Tracy was

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Speaker 3: telling us what she thought about She's read the entire

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Speaker 3: book No holds Word, We just miss a saxpod, and

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Speaker 4: I said that I thought that Mandy was like friendlier

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Speaker 4: than I thought. And I thought that you were goofier

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Speaker 4: of that, they're very sex forward, but also the goofy

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, I don't feel like you are goofy. You're funny.

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Speaker 4: You're definitely funny, like you're cracking jokes.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, this bitch just said on goofy in person.

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Speaker 4: This is goofy, is hope, but goofy in like a

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Speaker 1: Silly, like playful.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that that side of you came out

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Speaker 3: That's the thing about me that's very difficult, I think

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Speaker 3: and I was like making up different episodes. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna kill me, bag, and he's like, yo, you

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing too, And with writing the book,

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Speaker 3: I wish there is a moment where one chapter, one

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Speaker 3: Weezy speak. I am a really big fan of that.

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Speaker 3: I love moments that break the fourth wall. And so

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I know that we are doing such a good job

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Speaker 3: And so the book was very scary to do because

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Speaker 2: So the book being super this is us was different. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I want to ask you, because the stack spot

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Speaker 2: even doing for seven years.

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Speaker 1: How many books have you read the seven years? No

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Speaker 1: or in my life? Do you think you know?

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Speaker 4: Well? I know how many books I've read since twenty sixteen? Okay,

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Speaker 4: what's that number? I don't know exactly because I don't

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Speaker 4: I read about eight to twelve books a month on average.

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Speaker 4: This month, I just finished Shelf's book. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Austin didn't take you to read no holes word two days? Well,

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Speaker 4: So if I read eight books a month, eight books

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Speaker 4: So and your book isn't that long? Like I'm read

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Speaker 2: Like if they wouldn't have edited, my god, damn, y

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you prefer.

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Speaker 3: Reading an actual book pages, fingers, audio, I.

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Speaker 4: So I only had a digital, But hopefully they'll send

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Speaker 1: Just look at it. I can take it.

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Speaker 2: Day.

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Speaker 1: Are you married? I'm looking at your I am married.

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Speaker 1: What is he like? Okay?

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Speaker 4: So I also don't say his name, but we call

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Speaker 4: Mister Sacks is a doctor, okay, is a obigu? I

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Speaker 4: probably reads fifteen to twenty books a year. I would say,

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Speaker 1: Have you this is such a random question. Okay, he's

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Speaker 2: But because we're we still lean into sex a little

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Speaker 4: No, because once you start hearing the stories of other women,

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Speaker 4: I don't like it's And also his patient population is

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Speaker 1: Bleeding, okay or yeah, tell the story. Tell the story.

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Speaker 1: What's the craziest one? The cwa the craziest one? I

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Speaker 1: think I can tell this. How long have you been together?

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Speaker 1: Fifteen years? Oh? You got stories?

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Speaker 4: Tell Okay, this is the craziest one. This is when

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Speaker 4: the police had also come like after her, and they

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Speaker 4: need to tell us, like what's in her vagina? And

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think that the doctors were allowed to.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm not. I can't remember the league legality here.

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Speaker 4: Don't get at me.

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Speaker 1: But basically they go in and they're like, what the

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Speaker 4: It had fused to the walls of her vagina and

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Speaker 4: That's shut the fuck up. So that's a crazy story.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember what the fallout was from it. I

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Speaker 4: But the County Hospital is you know, that's where you

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Speaker 4: go if you don't have health in entrance. So there

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Speaker 4: was a lot of crazy stories when he was at County.

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Speaker 1: Did he get the crackpipe out? They had to do

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you have to do a full you have

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Speaker 2: So it's really bad. What's crazier about you? Talking about County?

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Speaker 2: A friend of mine shout out to Toya. She works

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Speaker 1: She's like, they be confused.

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Speaker 3: I may have to give someone HIV results and they're like,

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Speaker 3: how do you get rid of it? She's like, sitting

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Speaker 1: It's crazy now, I know.

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Speaker 2: I know they's just be putting like drugs in a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll put it up a little little bag a

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Speaker 1: crack pipe. Yeah, is crazy. You know what's shameful about

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Speaker 3: I was traveling with friends and we wanted to bring

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Speaker 3: They're like, what are we gonna do? And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so that's crazy. They're all looking at

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Speaker 1: not a big deal. It's clean. I got it now.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't going to keep it up there the whole time,

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Speaker 1: It on my first once we've lost tsa girl.

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Speaker 3: We was going through custom for four hours, and the

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Speaker 3: And honestly, I connect with this because you can't know

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Speaker 1: Now you got to go to the doctor and there's glass.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, and LAPD is so fucking crazy and

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Speaker 1: For do em like, have you ever put anything in

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Speaker 2: But if you're old, I've told told the story on

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Speaker 2: So my homegirls had told me the trick of the

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Speaker 2: So basically what my friends told me to do was

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: So, because I didn't want the blood, and because this

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Speaker 2: So I do it and I'm like, okay, mind you.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, my fucking who told you up there?

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Speaker 2: No, it was one of my one of my like

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Speaker 2: even adding more of the details to the story. And Crystal,

439
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Speaker 2: who's my best friend? She number one of the eleven.

440
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Speaker 2: She said, Oh, you might love her more than I do, because.

441
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to bitch. You did what you would

442
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Speaker 1: have knew it for a friend.

443
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Speaker 2: You wouldn't put your hand up of friends, Vagina to

444
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Speaker 2: gain some fanatical your husband does like this's your that. Okay,

445
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Speaker 2: I would get a tool.

446
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, you.

447
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't do it.

448
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Speaker 1: But she had a glove on. She had a glovehnet.

449
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Speaker 4: No, I probably would do it, but I don't talk

450
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Speaker 4: about it forever, and I would never not talk about

451
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Speaker 4: it for the rest of our life, you know.

452
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Speaker 2: The crazy part about it. And he saw me from

453
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Speaker 2: want it.

454
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Speaker 1: Just the next time. I only put one up though.

455
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Speaker 1: Did you get it out? Oh? Yeah, which is so weird.

456
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Speaker 2: That's why I think maybe the two was too much

457
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Speaker 2: problem because the one, Oh it was, it was, and

458
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Speaker 2: I've only done it on day one. I would never

459
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Speaker 2: do that if I was on a heavy flow, right,

460
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Speaker 2: Jim mistakes?

461
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Speaker 3: Just like, hey, a condom will also take care of

462
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Speaker 3: the blood tooe.

463
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Speaker 1: What do you mean, It's not like it's going to

464
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Speaker 1: get on them.

465
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Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm not fucking with no goddamn bloh blah

466
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Speaker 2: for real. Bro Okay, Tracy, she's just stay trying to

467
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Speaker 2: get me to be bloody like her so she will

468
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Speaker 2: blow you read fun shit I did.

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Speaker 3: Hypothetically speaking, Yes, you could only read books for the

470
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Speaker 3: rest of your life. Okay, but it's the same twenty books.

471
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Speaker 3: Would you rather read those same twenty books or give

472
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Speaker 3: up books and have unlimited television?

473
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Speaker 2: Tell me the same twenty books? Oh wow, I don't know.

474
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Speaker 2: I mean your top three faves?

475
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Speaker 1: Do you enjoy reading books again? Is that I do.

476
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Speaker 4: I've just I'm new into the world of rereading in

477
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 4: the last since in the last few years, I've reread

478
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Speaker 4: a few books and I like it.

479
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Speaker 2: The only books that I have re read, and it

480
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 2: was in my twenties. Wore those erotica books from back

481
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Speaker 2: in the day, like reading Sister Soljia Coldest Once. Ever

482
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Speaker 2: as an adult, I was I was like, now, bitch,

483
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Speaker 2: why the fuck were you reading this at eleven?

484
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Speaker 4: Like literally everyone who comes on the podcast and talks

485
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Speaker 4: about those books like I read them at ten, and

486
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Speaker 4: I don't know why any adult was letting me.

487
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Speaker 2: Like, I know, literally, and I talk about it like

488
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Speaker 2: in in in the in our book, I talk about

489
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Speaker 2: my journey of erotica, and we'll talk about the history

490
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Speaker 2: of erotica later, but I literally talk about going from

491
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Speaker 2: books to message boards to just wanting to have my

492
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Speaker 2: pussy thump while I read words.

493
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Speaker 1: Did you actually get horny at all? Or at talking

494
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Speaker 1: to horns?

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Speaker 3: Moments of no holes word I'm guessing them now, Yeah,

496
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Speaker 3: definitely that chapter.

497
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Speaker 1: Okay, we didn't get you off anyway, I'm sure that

498
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Speaker 1: that's the color.

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Speaker 2: Sure that was where I think I put the most

500
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Speaker 2: sexual detail sure.

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Speaker 4: The thing is that I'm reading for work, so it's

502
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Speaker 4: a different I'm not like she used to masturmate it work.

503
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not.

504
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Speaker 4: If there's a spectrum of like horniness, I'm probably not.

505
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Speaker 1: That close to you. Guys. Thank you, Thanks that I

506
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Speaker 1: read the book. I knew she was like, I don't

507
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Speaker 1: have to know. It doesn't leak all the time. I

508
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Speaker 1: just say what I'm trying to say.

509
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Speaker 4: Since we're not shaming people for their sexual identities, lady, wow.

510
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Speaker 1: Just like not as sex forwards. Don't be like I

511
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Speaker 1: hearing you say that, I would think, oh my god,

512
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Speaker 1: I grow with book pod weepy girl, even though I

513
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: know you're pretty beautiful. I meaning you, I'm like, oh,

514
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Speaker 1: I see it. You see what I just see sexy

515
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Speaker 1: in it? So to me, oh my god, I've clipped

516
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Speaker 1: that and put it everywhere. I'm sexy. Thank you. Okay,

517
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Speaker 1: not that nobody ever is like Tracy sexy.

518
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Speaker 4: I heard this thing from that, but I but also,

519
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: when I'm reading for work, it's sitting up at the desk.

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Speaker 4: It's not it's not even like taking notes. Yeah, I'm

521
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 4: taking notes. I'm in and out of chapters. I'm thinking

522
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Speaker 4: about questions. I'm thinking also, like what was this choice structurally?

523
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Speaker 4: Like what like I'm I'm analyzing the thing, so I'm

524
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Speaker 4: not really like enjoying the thing in that way.

525
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Speaker 2: Well, if you are a Horrehive member and not doing

526
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Speaker 2: this for work, I need you to read the book

527
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Speaker 2: like this. There you go in bed on your couch,

528
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Speaker 2: just just be ready.

529
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Speaker 1: That actually doesn't here you get that horny, I get horny.

530
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Speaker 2: Or if I'm reading it in a public place, Okay,

531
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Speaker 2: I gotta act you're a.

532
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Speaker 1: Public corny person.

533
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Speaker 2: Oh public you are. No, I know I read the book.

534
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Speaker 2: We have a podcast, I'm i it's a little later.

535
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Speaker 2: Sometimes we'll record the pot at like nine or ten am.

536
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Speaker 2: This is why if you're watching on YouTube, we normally

537
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Speaker 2: have coffee. We literally have to get this horny sometimes

538
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Speaker 2: at nine thirty in the morning over coffee.

539
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Speaker 3: We're talking about day honest with you, doesn't take me much. Okay, No,

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Speaker 3: I really need to hear this. Those in those twenty

541
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Speaker 3: five books, twenty books, whatever it was. I really need

542
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Speaker 3: to know the top three.

543
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Speaker 4: Because we the top three books that I'm going to

544
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Speaker 4: pick to read for the rest of my life are

545
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Speaker 4: my top favorite books because those are different book. But

546
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Speaker 4: I want to tell you why this question is so

547
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Speaker 4: important for me to hear. Every day online we see

548
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Speaker 4: the same book circulating, even you bring it up Malcolm Bladwell,

549
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Speaker 4: who was great, he's over here here, even everyone bringing

550
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Speaker 4: up Coldest Winsterever when we talk saying what are the

551
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Speaker 4: deep cuts?

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Speaker 1: We need? Deep cuts?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, I don't know that those would be in

554
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Speaker 4: my three Okay for the twenty My strategy for the

555
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Speaker 4: twenty books, so I would the twenty book. The strategy

556
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Speaker 4: for my twenty books would be to pick bigger books

557
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Speaker 4: that are like really sort of dense, big story.

558
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Speaker 1: So I would maybe go like Count of Monte Cristo. Okay,

559
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Speaker 1: that's too long.

560
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Speaker 4: Well, but I only got twenty books for the rest

561
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Speaker 4: of my life, so I'm trying to maximize. I'm not

562
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Speaker 4: going to go with the one fifty novels.

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Speaker 1: I'll say go ahead and say, Harry Potter, yes, well,

564
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Speaker 1: I have never read those. You're a book reader. I

565
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Speaker 1: have never fu k Rowlings. Well, and that's now why

566
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Speaker 1: I haven't read them.

567
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Speaker 4: I didn't read them as a kid because I'm not

568
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Speaker 4: older than them.

569
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Speaker 1: But I was a little bit older.

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Speaker 4: I was on the old end of when they came out,

571
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Speaker 4: Like I think I was in high school when they

572
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Speaker 4: came out.

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Speaker 1: Maybe so I was if you.

574
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Speaker 2: Were in middle school then to read after Erotica came Goosebumps,

575
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Speaker 2: then came Babysitters Club, Had the then came.

576
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Speaker 1: Potter, not Twilight. For that reason, I didn't read Twilight.

577
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Speaker 4: I didn't read College and Twilight, but so I didn't

578
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Speaker 4: read Harry Potter at the time. I also am not

579
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Speaker 4: really a fantasy reader. My personal taste skews much heavy

580
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Speaker 4: towards nonfiction, so it wasn't something that I would have read.

581
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Speaker 1: And then J. K.

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Speaker 4: Rowling is a fucking transphobic, cunt ass bitch, and I

583
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Speaker 4: was like absolutely, And I'm just like, why would I

584
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 4: go back now and support her?

585
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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like there's

586
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Speaker 1: so many books in the world that.

587
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Speaker 2: I when I get the butter beer, you knowing her?

588
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think, I think you are bitch. I

589
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Speaker 1: love world. I never Harry Potter thing.

590
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Speaker 3: It is cool for people to need, like not not

591
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Speaker 3: just visiting, but like the what it created for people

592
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Speaker 3: that feel community.

593
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Speaker 1: I think if you.

594
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Speaker 4: Love Harry Potter, if you already love Harry Potter. Like,

595
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Speaker 4: if you are an adult who has was introduced to

596
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: Harry Potter as a kid, it made you felt seen,

597
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: it made you feel whatever. If it means something to you,

598
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: that is your thing, and that's something you can grapple with.

599
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 4: But for me, a full grown adult, I don't feel

600
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: like I don't need to feel seen by a woman

601
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: who's transphobic and hates so many of the people that

602
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 4: I love existence and is putting money trying to make

603
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 4: legislation to make trans women basif killed. It's not just

604
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Speaker 4: you talking, right, So for me, it's just like, what

605
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 4: am I Like? There's nothing for me here, even if

606
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 4: the books were the best books ever. It's just like

607
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 4: there's so much like I could also just read Tony Morrison,

608
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: you know, like I could just hear you know, like

609
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Speaker 4: there's James Baldwin books I've never read. I'm reading Invisible

610
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 4: Man by Ralph Ellison for the first time ever right now.

611
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Speaker 1: I'll say, that's some of the that's there, right.

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00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 4: So I'm just like, why would I go back and

613
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: read this bitch when there's so many great writers that

614
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Speaker 4: I haven't read that I could read, you know, So

615
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Speaker 4: like that's my thing, But you're a great.

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Speaker 1: Answer because we needed to hear that.

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Speaker 3: So okay, so we need the three that you said

618
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Speaker 3: kind of run of Crystal.

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Speaker 1: I'm just okay. I also, this is really nerdy me.

620
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Speaker 4: I would take my Shakespeare complete works, my big giant

621
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 4: Shakespeare with that's hard to hate it, Okay, I love Shakespeare.

622
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 4: I think you would like it. You've been taught it, bere.

623
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Speaker 4: I just went to Othello, and I was like, I

624
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 4: heard that.

625
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: You could have only you could have said all this

626
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Speaker 1: in one sentence. Why you like? It was just two

627
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Speaker 1: fella's literally one of my fast Oh no.

628
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna lie. I love her. Oh, I

629
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: like it's so much drama in tea production. Denzel Washington,

630
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: from what I've been told, is not a good production.

631
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: He's too old to play the part. I love Denzel.

632
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like a twenty five year old man.

633
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: There's ill shaved to me.

634
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Speaker 2: I just didn't like that they put it in modern

635
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: day and then you keep the Shakespeare in play.

636
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: They had them in army outfits. I love Othello, and then.

637
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Speaker 2: Y'all, I I guessed it up in another episode. But also,

638
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Speaker 2: oh basketball, oh my.

639
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: Josh Hartner. I love Julia the Woman. Okay, sorry, we

640
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: are crazy.

641
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: Sorry I'm gonna say.

642
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: I'm going to say Song of Solomon by Tony Morrison.

643
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: That's a juicy book. I think I could reread that

644
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: about five to ten times back to back and find

645
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: new things and feel new ways about it. So those

646
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 4: would be my three, like Desert Island for unpacking purposes books,

647
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: your three favorites we need, Okay, I'm currently I'm currently,

648
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 4: like really obsessed with the Hunger game series. I read

649
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: it in twenty ten or whatever. I don't but I

650
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: read it in twos and ten and I loved it.

651
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: And there's a new book that came out this year

652
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Speaker 4: that I still haven't read yet, and I went back

653
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Speaker 4: and I reread the original first three and they're so

654
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: fucking good.

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Speaker 1: I love so good.

656
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Speaker 4: They are fantasy to me, but they almost feel more

657
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: like speculative fiction. Like I know they're science fiction elements

658
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: to it, but it feels so real and like rooted,

659
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: and she just does such a good job.

660
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: And I'm just really into those right now. So right

661
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: now the games.

662
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: One of my favorite memoirs of all time is a

663
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: book called Heavy by Kisa Layman. You know, and then

664
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Speaker 4: number three, number three, I guess, I guess I'll go

665
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: Soula by Tony Morrison.

666
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: Okay, that's actually I can't, no, no, I got, I can't.

667
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: I gotta.

668
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: I gotta take out Hunger Games because I'm being disrespectful

669
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: to my actual like most favorite important book to me,

670
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: which is Into Thin Air by John Krockaur. That's my

671
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: gateway into nonfiction. It's about the nineteen ninety six trying

672
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: to summit Mount Everest and lots of people die. It's

673
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 4: like the deadliest year on Mount Everest. It was the

674
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: deadliest year in Mount Everest history until twenty twenty three.

675
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: But this writer, John Crocker, he wrote Into the Wild

676
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: that they turned into that movie. He wrote Under the

677
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: Banner of Heaven about the Mormons that they turned into

678
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 4: a show.

679
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: He's like, my.

680
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: Favorite, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna geek out just a

681
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: little bit. I'm gonna name my three real quick. Two

682
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: of them actually came from childhood, Okay, that I was

683
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: forced to read and I went back and reread them.

684
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: I love them.

685
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: So the Giver, Oh, we did that on the podcast Giver.

686
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: I did my mom Incredible Animal Farm. I read that

687
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: for the first time this year is.

688
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: Animal Wait, you just love Animal Farm?

689
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: In Oakland, California, we never required to read it, right

690
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: in Florida, I mean, yeah, we read different ship.

691
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: I know I didn't. I didn't read a lot.

692
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: Of things that people were supposed to read, and the

693
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: Animal I didn't especially like.

694
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: Where we're at now, it's like, oh God, oh fucking good.

695
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: And then uh, nonfiction Oprah Winfrey is what I know

696
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: for sure.

697
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: I never read it.

698
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: Girl, I do love Oprah, But that that one right there, Well,

699
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: we were talking about the writing process for our book,

700
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: the comps that kept coming to me, and the two

701
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: memoirs by women that I liked and how they told

702
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: their stories.

703
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: Was Oprah Winfrey what I know for sure? And then

704
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: Gabrielle Union's We're Gonna Need More Wine one those per

705
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: second one I didn't like as much.

706
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't even get into it.

707
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: I finished the We're Gonna Need More Wine like this. Yeah.

708
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: So I was thinking, I feel like I want to

709
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: go erotica. Just let me go erotica. Let's get reader.

710
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: Oh you're going to go erotica?

711
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought you were so need to talk about erotica.

712
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know that. We're giving you

713
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: the history of erotica. Can you get into a little.

714
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: Bit of the other stuff, but top to erotica.

715
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: I'll be faster.

716
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: We can get to it. Rent Boy by Gary Indiana.

717
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: I love gay sex stories. I would say coldest one ever.

718
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: Number two and number one for me is Tampas Nutting.

719
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that.

720
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: And I remember her last name being Nutting because I

721
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: was like, that's nasty Tampa for me.

722
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: I like, fucked up. Give me incest, fucking.

723
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: Crazy shit because I'm so over sexed out sometimes.

724
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: And you gotta be shocked. It's got to go far.

725
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: You just reading Animal Pharma is so crazy. Okay. So,

726
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: and I hated the movie The Giver. It didn't do

727
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: the book justice. Yeah, not good. I didn't watch it.

728
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: Real Street isn't it. I don't know, but they didn't

729
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: do it General Street.

730
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: Why do I think Meryl Streep is in it? Fact check?

731
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: I will. So we're going to go into our reactionary segment.

732
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: We're going to play you a clip.

733
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: Okay, We're all gonna watch it, and we're going to

734
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: talk about what the fuck we think about it.

735
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 5: Okay, and I do see a lot of black women

736
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 5: that will hate on a black man for dat and

737
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 5: a white woman, but if the white man dates a

738
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 5: black woman.

739
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: He's almost praised for it.

740
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 5: I saw a guy the other day and his account

741
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 5: was man seeking mananated women, and he had like three

742
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 5: hundred thousand lives. If I was supposed that, I would

743
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: absolutely be slandered. And I don't think there's anything wrong

744
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 5: with any one dating anyone because we literally fought for

745
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 5: unity and thought to be able to love each other.

746
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 5: You do see that the contrast of when a black

747
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 5: man dates a white woman, I'll get comment saying like

748
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 5: it's a fetish to you, Like what, I can't just

749
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: love somebody?

750
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: The world is full of hypocrites. If we want equality

751
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: and we want everybody kumba, you can't be mad. If

752
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: it's not everyone separate, then cool be mad?

753
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Now is there?

754
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: Well? I don't like you talked about my ex. I

755
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: don't know what the they just said.

756
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: Yes, no, I don't girl, Liz, I don't know what

757
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: they say about Then as generation day conversation.

758
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: Well, we can also have a discussion. That's why I

759
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: brought it up.

760
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 3: So when hearing people say shit like black love can

761
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: be hypocritical or celebrating white men dating black women. Gabby Citibrate,

762
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: her husband is white.

763
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, he loves her. He'd be talking about her all

764
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: the time. He loves her down and I'll have twins.

765
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Speaker 1: Shout out to her. She's a whore hive member. She'd

766
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: be in our comments.

767
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: And I want to call a spades bade here. Gabby

768
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 3: is plus eze and a dark skinned woman. She dated

769
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: a white guy. I feel like we don't have a

770
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: lot of conversation about black men and how critical they

771
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: can be of dark skinned women and plus side.

772
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: As women when they go the other way.

773
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: Is there something you think that we're getting wires crossed

774
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: me when it comes to white guys dating black women,

775
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 3: because we do look at it.

776
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: Like, yes, this find the one who will love you.

777
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: That was the first thing I did when I saw

778
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: Gabby's man. But when I see black men and white women,

779
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: I'd be like, you can.

780
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: Keep well, you know, so I should be transparent.

781
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: I am the product of a black man and a

782
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: white woman, and my husband is white, so I am

783
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 4: you know, pro miscegenation right there? Okay, loving mers Virginia

784
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: big Fan, I think It's complicated because I think when

785
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: we talk about these things broadly, I can have opinions,

786
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: but personally that doesn't necessarily mean what like works for individuals,

787
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm not going to say that Gabriel

788
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: Sidibe's husband is chasing Melanie and like, I don't know him, right,

789
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 4: and so they seem to be happy. He seems to

790
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 4: be an adoring partner and an adoring husband, and she

791
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: seems to be very in love with her children, and they,

792
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: you know, like they seem to be very happy. I

793
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 4: don't know them, and I think that's great. But I

794
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 4: also understand that there are white men who fetishize women

795
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: of color, black women, Asian women especially. That's a big thing,

796
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: and so I think think like there should be heat

797
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: for that broadly, fetishizing people, race or any or anything,

798
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 4: to like treat people as an identifier, to be like

799
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 4: I only like, you know, plus size women, or I

800
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 4: only like skinny women, as if that is the thing

801
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: that makes a person a person.

802
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Can you tell me how does uh you know?

803
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: In dating, we'll keep up with your husband fifteen years

804
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: so such a long time. But is there a thing

805
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: because I remember when I was dating everyone. I never

806
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: really thought i'd really end up with a white guy,

807
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: but I was dating for a long term.

808
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: If they dated a lot of.

809
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: Black women before me, that's a thing, yeah, I didn't like.

810
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: But then I also didn't like if they've never dated

811
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 3: a black person before. Tell me a little bit about

812
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: what that was like with you today.

813
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: So I was very young when we met. I was

814
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 4: twenty four. Okay, so I'm thirty eight for people doing

815
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 4: the math, it's fine thirty nine this year. And I

816
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 4: don't think i'd really thought about a lot of this stuff.

817
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: I grew up in Oakland. I grew up in the

818
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 4: Bay Area, lots of mixed kids. It's mixed kid capital

819
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: at the Blaze, everything like the kind of if there's

820
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 4: a possibility, we got it.

821
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: It's fusion. It's fusion cuisine over there.

822
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: And so I don't think I had thought about what

823
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 4: it meant politically socially until after I was already with

824
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 4: mister Stax.

825
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I really had.

826
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 4: We met in twenty ten, and you know, we talked

827
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: about this on my show about like growth and the

828
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 4: ways you've changed, and when we met, like I really

829
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: wasn't as politically mind died as I am when it

830
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: comes to racial politics. This was this predates like Trayvon Martin,

831
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: which for me was sort of like a big awakening

832
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: around race. Even though yeah, like it was a big

833
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: deal for me, it really hearing people talk about the

834
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 4: trial and like the things that people were saying about

835
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: stand your ground, and that was really for me when

836
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: I started to realize in a much it's not that

837
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 4: I didn't realize racism existed, but it was for me

838
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 4: when I started to realize how different racial groups, experiences

839
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 4: of the world, the country could be. And so, but

840
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: I was already with mister Sacks at that point for

841
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 4: two and a half years, three years, and so I

842
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: didn't really ask a lot of those questions. And again,

843
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: when you grow up in a place where a lot

844
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: of your friends come you know your friends have a

845
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: Filipino mom and a black dad there, I don't think

846
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: those questions get asked, whereas I think some for a

847
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 4: lot of mixed kids who come from places where they're

848
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 4: the only mixed kid in the community or there's very few,

849
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: there are questions about what does it mean to be

850
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 4: like the only one?

851
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: I never felt like the only one. I wasn't really

852
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: answered because it's so honest.

853
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: We always want to hold black women super accountable for

854
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: how things make them feel, and we don't really give

855
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: black people a space to be like I didn't really know.

856
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you knew.

857
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: It's like well, and my so my dad, it was.

858
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: My dad black, and he was a lot older than

859
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: my mom.

860
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 4: He grew up he was from Louisiana, part of the

861
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 4: Great Migration, but grew up during you know, drim Crow

862
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: Solevil rights. He was born in nineteen thirty five. Oh way,

863
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 4: so he didn't get the right to vote till he

864
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: was thirty thirty something. Yeah, right, like so like different era.

865
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 4: And he always talked about like racism twice as good,

866
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 4: like that whole thing. That was very much part in

867
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 4: my mind, right, And it was like you gotta you

868
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: have to have black friends, you have Like he was

869
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 4: very much that, but also was my dad. And so

870
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: you're a kid and you're like, he doesn't know he's

871
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 4: talking about.

872
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: My mom, right.

873
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 4: And I also remember being like he would like I

874
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: remember the OJ trial being such a big deal to him,

875
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: and like I remember years later I read a book

876
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: about OJ, and I told my dad was like, I

877
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: think OJ did it and my dad was like, I

878
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: don't care. They planted evidence, they tried to frame him,

879
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 4: and he deserved to get off.

880
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: And that was like a.

881
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: Huge moment in I think that was and eight thousand

882
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: and nine, for the like one of the first times

883
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 4: that it clicked to me what my dad had really

884
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: been saying, right like that, It like that there was.

885
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 6: A political agenda, agenda, like a political worldview that was

886
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 6: more input than any individual event.

887
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 4: And so that you know predates me having met my

888
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 4: husband by a few years, but like all of that

889
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: kind of coming together in that period of my life

890
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: from like nineteen to twenty five was really when I

891
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 4: started to think about race and like what it means

892
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: to be mixed, and like what the what the political

893
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: implications are of having a white mom and a black dad,

894
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: right and all of these things and so and.

895
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: Now you're the opposite.

896
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: Now we're the opposite, right exactly. And people have a

897
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: lot of opinions about my relationship and my upbringing and

898
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: all of these things, and that is for them to have.

899
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: I feel like, I don't know about you guys, but

900
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: like it's hard to really think too critically about your

901
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: racial identity when you're a mixed because I think it's

902
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: I think it can be really uncomfortable. Like the fact

903
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 4: of the matter is I have a white mom and

904
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: a black dad, and there's nothing that I can do

905
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: about it. So like going into a place where I'm

906
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: like it means this or it means that is hard

907
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 4: because it's like, so I just shouldn't exist rightly.

908
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: God, Tracy, you know, mine is harder today than as

909
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: a kid because I love my dad who is Israeli, right,

910
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: and hate everything that's happening.

911
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 4: Right Well, I'm black and Jewish. Also my mom's Jewish,

912
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: So I'm so I were flipped. Yeah, but I but

913
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 4: we have this shared sort of free Palestine. And also

914
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 4: this is part of I mean my mom is is

915
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 4: uh European Jewish, not Israeli Jewish.

916
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: But but this is also a reason why.

917
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: And I'm joking and being facetious when I say this.

918
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: I saw this stuff of doctoring Marvi and.

919
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: Like no rice, no ice, no spice, just you know,

920
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: just black.

921
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: And I'm like, mixed kids are fucked up. Not one

922
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: of my mixed hone girls, not one, not one has

923
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 3: not expressed identity issues with me, hating their hair, being

924
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: unsure feeling fucked up.

925
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: The ones with white moms genuinely.

926
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: Seemed to skew more into like this savior complex with

927
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 3: certain shit with white people, and then the otherwise it's

928
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: weird as fuck. And I think when you have parents

929
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 3: of the same race, whatever they may be, Asian, Latino, whatever,

930
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: there is something that's a little bit easier. And so

931
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: then I would ask you just to wrap it. What

932
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 3: is a difficult conversation you had that end well with

933
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 3: your husband about oh my god, we're pregnant for raising

934
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: these two mixed kids, how are we gonna do this?

935
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: What was the point and of course related to race,

936
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: like what was something that really shaped parenting for you guys?

937
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: Gosh, you know, I think like.

938
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: We've had so many conversations about race over the years,

939
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: there isn't one that we had specifically about like the twins,

940
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 4: because the.

941
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: Girls are boy boys, so they're well, eventually you'll probably

942
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: have to talk to them about existing as black.

943
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: Sure exactly, and and they're extremely fair.

944
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: Okay that my my, this is so weird.

945
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 4: But like one of my bigger fears for them is

946
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 4: that they're going to be in spaces where people don't

947
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 4: know that they're black and they're going to experience racism

948
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 4: like sort of like undercover. Oh, and I'm really worried

949
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 4: about that, like I especially when they're younger, Like I think,

950
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: you know, when they get older, they will understand, but

951
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 4: I'm worried like the first time someone says something racist

952
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: about black people to them, like out a sleepover or something, and.

953
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: They don't know that they're black.

954
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: Well they don't and they don't know how to respond,

955
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: and they don't like and I'm worried. You know, think

956
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: about being like eight and someone's saying something talking about

957
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: your parent or something without.

958
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: This fear you have is real.

959
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: My boyfriend told me, he's like, it's always a mixed

960
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: people that be going hard, like Angela Davis and Malcolm

961
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: X and shit. He's like, this is why you're like this,

962
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: because you existed in spaces where people were like I

963
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 3: gonna talk about black people. Maybe she's seeing it, maybe

964
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: she's something else I'm gonna talk. And he's like, whether

965
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: you can remember a moment or not, you heard it, Yeah,

966
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: mixed kids get to have that, yeah, And I think like, yeah,

967
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: so I think that's one of the things that we've

968
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 3: talked about that I'm really concerned about is like that experience.

969
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 4: Because also, I mean, I think that they look black,

970
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: and I think black people think that they look black,

971
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: but I know white people don't can't tell.

972
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: That's like, Okay, hold on, is Rashida Jones black? She's black?

973
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Can we see? Yes? She looks black. I don't do

974
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: it on the office, and now I see it every day.

975
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: Rashida Jones looks black as hell to me on the office.

976
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: I said it, did y'all see it? I knew she

977
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: was before I ever saw.

978
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: The harness Rashida Jones on Black af Rashida Jones and

979
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: other movies?

980
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: What was it? This is forty. You don't think she

981
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: looks black? Bitch?

982
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 4: No, she if she walked in a room, you wouldn't

983
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 4: think that's a black woman.

984
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: I would think she's spicy white. No, not black at all.

985
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: She doesn't even black features.

986
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: She looks black.

987
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: Quincy Jones, that's Quincy Jones's daughter, that's Keydata Jones's sister.

988
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: Crazy her. And I don't think Megan Markle looks black?

989
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: Okay you are? Are?

990
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: You know?

991
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 7: That is crazy? I look black and Megan Markle, bitch,

992
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 7: you got me fucked up like you love gushed to

993
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 7: meet fucking black Megan Marcle. That's why she exists as

994
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 7: a passive woman.

995
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: She only even likes her blackness because of how she

996
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: gets treated there and.

997
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: You're literally dying. One thing.

998
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 4: I have a I have a lot of thoughts about

999
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 4: Megan Markle, But one of the things about Megan Markle

1000
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: that drives me crazy is she always talks about how

1001
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: nobody knows she's black, And I'm like, black people know

1002
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 4: you are black.

1003
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: You're telling me this woman, don't. She could have passed.

1004
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: She don't look black, couldn't pass. She could be a

1005
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: pass She could pass back in the thirties. She could

1006
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 2: have passed as a white woman like that.

1007
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: Girl and still pull her up as a kid with

1008
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: her nappy hair. This is her hottest take of all time.

1009
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: This is what's not It is real. People is listening, like,

1010
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, don't look like I literally, I literally when.

1011
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: I saw her little documentary, I was like, Oh, you're

1012
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: only leaning into the blackness because now you're experiencing racism.

1013
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: She's she was existing. There's a non black woman her

1014
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: whole live she was.

1015
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 2: They only added the little the little Black Daddy because

1016
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: of Okay, wait, pa she don't look pause pause, pause

1017
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: pause when the announcement, did you know who she was

1018
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: before the announcement came out?

1019
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: You did?

1020
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: So?

1021
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: You knew her from suit and she looked like white

1022
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: woman own suit. Okay, so I've never seen her, never

1023
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: heard of her.

1024
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: Having a black daddy is saying a bo racial you

1025
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 4: never seen her. I've never seen her, never heard of her.

1026
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 4: The announcement comes out, Prince Harry is engaged. I see No,

1027
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 4: it doesn't say just as I Prince Harry is engaged.

1028
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I see her. I said, oh my god, we're going

1029
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: to the palace. She is black as hell.

1030
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: To me, she could pass. That's what I hate about

1031
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 4: her is that she wishes she could pass. I'm like,

1032
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 4: we see you. My first comment and stunt. I watched

1033
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 4: close of her act.

1034
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: Seeing photos on together, and I said, oh she was

1035
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: she was a little girl. I remember, she wish she was.

1036
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: I don't think she likes this. She's black, honey, don't matter.

1037
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: She don't look like.

1038
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm actually not gonna speak on a black woman not

1039
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: liking Macdemian black, but.

1040
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, based off the documentary.

1041
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: I saw, yeah, like she had that.

1042
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying she also tried to be like,

1043
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: we never talked about race. Do you see what I mean?

1044
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: But that's what I don't.

1045
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 4: That's something that makes me mad about her, because let's

1046
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: just do a little let's do her little dramaturgy.

1047
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: Here.

1048
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: She is forty one or forty two. I believe she's

1049
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: from LA.

1050
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 4: She went to high school right kind of like oh

1051
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 4: my kids, Yeah, right north of Koreatown. She went to

1052
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 4: school right north of Koreatown, like on Western on your

1053
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: way up to Griffith Park. She would have been ten

1054
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 4: or eleven when the La riots happened. Don't fucking tell

1055
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 4: me you didn't talk about race when that was happening.

1056
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 4: When I don't tell me you never thought about race

1057
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 4: as a kid, say that was the thing to me

1058
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 4: where I'm like, and with your mom, you don't think

1059
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 4: your mom just casually mentioned well, Rodney King Darling, like,

1060
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 4: are you fucking kidding me? That's what makes me mad

1061
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 4: about her. It's not that she looks how she looks.

1062
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 4: She looks how she but.

1063
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: Also look how your mom looks.

1064
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: You're not gonna tell me race wasn't talk about because

1065
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: you also are so much fatter than your mom.

1066
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 4: Yes, there's not not that much but not that no,

1067
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 4: not that much of a black lady.

1068
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: But there's always conversations and households. I know, me and

1069
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: my homegirl talk about like how her all of her siblings,

1070
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: they all have the same mom and same dad. She's

1071
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: dark skinned, So even within a household of different shades

1072
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: of brown, the conversation around.

1073
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: Yes, race and skin. Yes, that's the part about her

1074
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 4: that makes me mad. Not even that she doesn't want

1075
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 4: to be black, like fine, whatever, that's if she If

1076
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 4: she doesn't feel comfortable, whatever, that's her thing, that's her journey.

1077
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: But don't sit here and lie on your mom and

1078
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: the fucking world in nineteen ninety two and like today,

1079
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 4: and then.

1080
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: Followed up immediately by OJ, she's here in.

1081
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: This city and hey, yeah, I ain't talk about no

1082
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: gad Yeah race you I know you fucking talked about

1083
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: it in class.

1084
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: Probably all the white girls are probably so scared to

1085
00:48:53,400 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: go to Koreatown, right, like you know exactly, So.

1086
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 3: It wouldn't do us justice to not make this episode

1087
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: about erotica, because literally, you know, when we're doing a

1088
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: pod together and you're like, let's do the cross what

1089
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: pot I'm like, are we gonna talk about twins, No,

1090
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 3: We'll talk about erotica.

1091
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 4: OK, So I feel like I'd be better at twins

1092
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: than at erotica.

1093
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: No, but the history of erotica is still is super interesting.

1094
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: So now in Decisions Decisions, we talk about the history

1095
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: of different elements of sex.

1096
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and erotica is that.

1097
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: So erotica took a hit during the Victorian era, which

1098
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: to me is no surprise because that's when you saw.

1099
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: The course set taties.

1100
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: So it says puritanical ideals were dominating mainstream culture so

1101
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: much that the novels became so taboo, considered low brow,

1102
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 3: and the quality of writing was dropping just because they

1103
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 3: thought sex was bottom tier. And so it didn't get

1104
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: to hit mainstream again until the twentieth century, when great

1105
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: writers Kate Chopin, Nabokov, Henry Miller began to publish more

1106
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: explicit books through traditional means. Since then, erotica is considered

1107
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: part of mainstream culture.

1108
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: Romance is a top three book don't want to read.

1109
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: And so the internet then took over culture climate, which

1110
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: made fan fiction should I used to read of erotica,

1111
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 3: And I must say I didn't even really think about

1112
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: fan fiction and erotica, but when we talk about history,

1113
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 3: it's such a big part of it.

1114
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: It is in the book.

1115
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: I believe it's my chapter around masturbation and loving myself.

1116
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 2: I joke that I used to sit at the computer

1117
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 2: and get fucking wet and sit in a puddle reading

1118
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: about getting a gang bang by the b two K

1119
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: boys Chris Brown and bow Wow, And I'm like, why

1120
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,959
Speaker 2: the fuck was I thirteen wanted to be gang bang

1121
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 2: by all the guys that I liked. Listening to Girl

1122
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: making us on our Nie shows you how far the

1123
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: Internet has come.

1124
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: We need so much now, not only porn. You gotta

1125
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: come out through AI, you gotta VR. Oh my god.

1126
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: I just saw okay, don't judge me.

1127
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: So on my following tab because all I do is

1128
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: follow porn stars on X. I came across the AI

1129
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: pictures of porn and so it's these women that literally

1130
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: lay like this, and so it's big titties and a

1131
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: leaking vagina with the Buddha hole just winking at you.

1132
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: I was still turned on.

1133
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: I was like this AI image of this thick bussy

1134
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: leaking pussy, but them.

1135
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: I love. I was like, I don't think I red.

1136
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: Is it because they look perfect?

1137
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: Bitch?

1138
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: Perfect? Okay, see I get turned hard flaws. I'm talking

1139
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: like I need a little cell you like, and it was.

1140
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: Oiled up, bitch, I said, I might have book marked it.

1141
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: That shit looked so good.

1142
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: Damn Tracy times to get uncomfortable, book girl.

1143
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 2: If you had to get off from some porn, would

1144
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: you rather read it or watch it?

1145
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 6: Hmmm?

1146
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: I think read because then you can sort of imagine.

1147
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 4: M Yes, I think like like because I feel like

1148
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 4: sometimes when you watch, like something will happen and I'm like, oh,

1149
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 4: I don't like that, Like it'll like get in the way.

1150
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: And I feel like when you're reading, like I don't know,

1151
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: it allows you to imagine this.

1152
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah what e Rodica has made you feel that

1153
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 3: way where you were like, wow, this is that powerful.

1154
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: Now I'm thinking, okay, don't judge, don't judge me, don't

1155
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: judge me me.

1156
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: The first time I ever read something where I was

1157
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: like was fifty Shades of Gray? Really, but this was

1158
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen years ago. No, but that's so so.

1159
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 4: I was like real, I was really into the like

1160
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: rich rich, rich, rich, dumb thing. I was like, this

1161
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 4: is great. No, wonder that was my favorite chapter here,

1162
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 4: yours wasn't rich like that. It wasn't like I'm really well,

1163
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't rich like yeh wasn't he wasn't a Christian,

1164
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 4: he wasn't Christian gray, but but I get it. But

1165
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 4: I like was into that also again, I was like

1166
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 4: twenty three, twenty four, and so that kind of like

1167
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 4: now when I think back on it, I'm embarrassed by

1168
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: liking it because the relationship dynamics were so fucked and

1169
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 4: it was not really like consens yeah really like but

1170
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 4: but it was like it did turn me on.

1171
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: I was like excited by it.

1172
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: I'm only gonna agree with you as well because for me,

1173
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: the way my mind and pussy worked together while I

1174
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: read Addicted by Zane, and the way it didn't translate

1175
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: for me in the film, like, I was really glad

1176
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 2: that they had bors Kujo.

1177
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: Let's be very clear that Nigga is fine.

1178
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: He was black and black, he looks black mixed, right,

1179
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: he is, He's German, He's from German, right. If him

1180
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: and his wife want me to join and will anytime

1181
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: of else and he.

1182
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: Ti they could be a couple of seven if they wanted.

1183
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: But when the movie came out, it didn't even feel

1184
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: as sexy and and addicted was I probably read that

1185
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: after your Coldest Winter Ever, and addicted got me obsessed

1186
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: with all of Zane's books. Went from that to Chocolate series,

1187
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: that chocolate, you know, all the things, and I was like, Wow,

1188
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 2: this movie failed in the sex department for this book

1189
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: that was literally all set.

1190
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: But that's the thing too, It's like it's so imaginative, right, i'mlike,

1191
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 3: with fifty Shades of Gray, you've being able to do that.

1192
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: For me, reading Fifty Shades of Gray enjoyed it. I

1193
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: had read so many really kinky books. I would go

1194
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: to a banned book section and just keep digging, right,

1195
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: And I think I got excited by fifty Shades even

1196
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: though I was super young, because I knew everybody else

1197
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 2: would now get it.

1198
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's what I think was beautiful about that. Oh,

1199
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 3: I really want to talk about the most famous piece

1200
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: of erotica all time.

1201
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: We all know it. Do the Kamma suture?

1202
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yeah, So we did a whole episode on

1203
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: that as well.

1204
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: Ancient India.

1205
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: It was written and the Western world incorrectly regards it

1206
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: as a manual for sex physitions, but there are seven

1207
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 3: books that make it up, and it's so much more

1208
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: philosophical than sexual, and eroticism plays an undeniable role in it,

1209
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: obviously because it's taught us so much about love, connection

1210
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 3: or just free for all sex, like it covers everything.

1211
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: We also see a.

1212
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 3: Lot of erotica. I've never heard of this, but shunga.

1213
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: Thousand years ago there was an art tradition called shunga

1214
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 3: in Japan, which were colorful images of lovers with super

1215
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 3: large almost calmon gold genitalia, and it was spread across

1216
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: the audience to Japan and then China. It would literally

1217
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: be this is a woman bending over as a client

1218
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: lubricating a meal prostitute. These would be hung up not

1219
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 3: only throughout the town but through transit in books everywhere

1220
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 3: because it was considered art. So again erotica also being

1221
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: not just literature. But yeah, in the Italian Renaissance.

1222
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I'm.

1223
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: Like, I don't get this, because you know sometimes when

1224
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: the words a little too much not for you. I

1225
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: start going through this thing and I'm like, they're literally

1226
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: talking about the statues in Rome, the dicks, the balls,

1227
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 3: the hair on it, all of it. All of this

1228
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 3: was erotica in Italy.

1229
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: There's some fucking hot statues.

1230
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 4: There's one not okay, this is it's unconsensual, so don't

1231
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 4: get out to me. But there is a statue. I no,

1232
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 4: there's a statue of I think it's called the Rape

1233
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 4: of Persephone. Oh wow, and it is. I think it's

1234
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 4: like a it's like a Greek myth. But the way

1235
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: that the marble is it's like he's grabbing her thigh

1236
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 4: and you can see like the dimples, like the art

1237
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 4: is like the marble is so well done, but it's

1238
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 4: like holy shit, like it's not I mean, it's it

1239
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 4: is erotic, but it's also just like you can feel

1240
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 4: the warmth of the scene, and which is wild because

1241
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 4: it's fucking marble.

1242
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: To me, it's crazy because most statues that I see,

1243
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: like especially when they're dude, my eyes go right to

1244
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: the dick and the dix be small on statues, like

1245
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: they don't ever.

1246
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: Like they're like, damn, how much a little bit material

1247
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: right here? Yeah, like all embarrassing.

1248
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: Maybe Dick's grew over time, like Jesus they said, yes,

1249
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: maybe not showers, but can you have him hang a

1250
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: little bit, he's a great god, can we give him

1251
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: something curious?

1252
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: Okay?

1253
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: So erotica's evolution is interesting because it says, what's the

1254
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: difference between art, erotica, the Little Her, and porn? And

1255
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 2: where it gets murky is the word pornography didn't exist

1256
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: until the eighteen hundreds, and when society became obsessed with

1257
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 2: labeling pornography, it was because they didn't consider it to

1258
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: be art. And so I find that funny because it's

1259
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: almost like the whole hierarchy back in.

1260
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: The day, like, oh well, our statues of sex are

1261
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: better than you actually fucking on camera is basically what

1262
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: they were all saying. And so now today the concept

1263
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: of pornography is not considered erotica because they're the censorships around.

1264
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: I will say it's crazy because.

1265
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: In the book I talk about how meeting a community

1266
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: of people that viewed sex's art helped to transform my

1267
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: brains to view it that way. I didn't think that

1268
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: nudes or porn or any of that was art until recently.

1269
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: Sure and interviewed a friend of ours. She's a porn

1270
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: star sinceon in Love she's doing like catalogs, Like I

1271
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: can't think of what she's doing, but she's basically finding

1272
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: porn archives and she's bringing them to Harvard and having

1273
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: people study about it. It was Harvard, right, she says

1274
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: that Harvard already has it exists there, Oh, Harvard already has.

1275
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: She's doing something she's.

1276
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: Doing another college's not it, but just pulling the archives.

1277
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: And even I'm sitting with her and this friend of ours,

1278
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: we love her. I'm like, what college, Like, how do

1279
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: you really connect the dots with this?

1280
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,479
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it is part

1281
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: of our art history.

1282
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I mean there's so many things that

1283
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 4: got short shrift Shakespeare wind say culturally that are like

1284
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 4: that's so important and was labeled one way or another

1285
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: and then made it taboo or like off limits. Yeah,

1286
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 4: clearly porn is one of them. And I think erotica

1287
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 4: and erotic lit also, just like to stay on my thief.

1288
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 4: Is interesting because with book talk now, they're sort of

1289
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 4: like this reclamation of horny books in a way, even

1290
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 4: though people were all people were always reading romance romances,

1291
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 4: like you know, the ro manopular genre.

1292
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: It's so crazy because I can't remember what I was

1293
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: having this conversation with. But those are even separate in bookstores.

1294
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: So you have romance, which is more about love, yes,

1295
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: and then erotica.

1296
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: But but a lot of romance.

1297
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 4: Books are now bringing in more so they have like

1298
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,959
Speaker 4: closed door romance or open door. So open door means

1299
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 4: you have the sex scene. Closed door means like we

1300
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 4: made out and then he pushed me on the bed

1301
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 4: and slammed the door, and then it's like the next

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Speaker 4: morning I woke up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so if it's open setscene jraycy uh.

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Speaker 4: He pushed me on the bed and then we jumped

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Speaker 4: to chapter. But that's that'll have. I mean, the thing

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Speaker 4: that's so interesting in romance books also is it's like

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Speaker 4: my heat or like they won't say they don't a

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Speaker 4: lot of times they don't say anatomical body parts or

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Speaker 4: or even words like they won't say pussy. They'll be

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Speaker 4: like he was patching, he felt my wet or was

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Speaker 4: between my legs.

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Speaker 1: I tried to do a little of that. I know

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Speaker 1: it was tough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of synonyms. Okay, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of creative language happening.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's where and I used to talk about it

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Speaker 2: all the time. Zaan for the buddhahole would call it

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Speaker 2: a chocolate starfish.

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Speaker 1: So even though she even.

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Speaker 2: Though she definitely wrote pussy this for the asshole, she

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Speaker 2: referred to it as a chocolate starters.

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Speaker 1: Some things.

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Speaker 3: I found some passages of erotica over time, and it's

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Speaker 3: it's just crazy how shit changes. But this is in

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Speaker 3: classical literature, and just like Tracy saying, let's.

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Speaker 1: See if it makes that pussy throat okay.

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Speaker 2: Then late one night, as he was undressing for bed,

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Speaker 2: she tapped at his door timidly. She wanted to relight

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Speaker 2: her candle at his, for hers had been blown out

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Speaker 2: by gust.

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Speaker 1: It was her back night. She wore a loose, open flannel,

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Speaker 1: her white in steps shone in the opening of her

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Speaker 1: fur slippers, and blood glowed warmly behind her perfume skin

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Speaker 1: from her hands and wrists to as she lit and

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Speaker 1: steadied her candle and think perfume arose. He came forward,

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Speaker 1: that is exactly what you just said.

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Speaker 4: This is what time period is this? I mean there

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Speaker 4: were censorship rules like you couldn't say things. So I

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01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 4: think like the furry is saying a lot, there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of words that are doing a lot of work

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Speaker 4: in that passage slippers, right, but just like the no

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Speaker 4: no she said, like text, like the words that are being.

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Speaker 1: Used, the perfumed skin exactly.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of the scriptors the loose fitted and

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01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 4: he undressed. It was her bath night, so that like continuated.

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Speaker 3: And also also nudity night is such an interesting thing

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01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 3: because you remember they wouldn't do it all Dagura Sharon

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Speaker 3: i WA's what it doesn't say the year, but it's

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Speaker 3: called Dangerous Liaisons by Pierre Oh yeah, so I'm famous.

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Speaker 4: That's that's what cruel intentions it is based off. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: and there's a Dangerous Liaisons movie.

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Speaker 2: I think you shall fight for them. Yeah. I didn't

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01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: watch it though, but I know Sean Wro It's always

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01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: suggested to me. Okay, this one is literally about stealing virginity.

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01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: I think I shall possess this woman, bless you, thank you.

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: I shall steal her from the husband who profanes her.

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Speaker 2: I will even dare ravish her from the god she adores.

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Speaker 2: What a delight to turn her into an object. Far

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01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: be it from me to destroy the prejudices which sway

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Speaker 2: her mind. They will add to my happiness. Let her

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Speaker 2: believe in virtue, and sacrifice it to me. Let the

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Speaker 2: idea of falling terrify her, and may she be shaken

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Speaker 2: by a thousand terrors in my arms.

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Speaker 1: This don't sound like virginitay, you like you're going to

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Speaker 1: slot out the moodys, Ryan Phillip, your character.

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you this right now, that was

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Speaker 2: one that was one white boy they used to have me,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Philippi.

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Speaker 1: Girl, white boys didn't even go to my school. Was

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Speaker 1: that of that era?

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Speaker 2: When I tell you Ryan Philippi was a cute little

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Speaker 2: I said, this is the American white boy.

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Speaker 1: That's Ryan Phillip. That's cute. He was cute. What's happening?

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Speaker 1: This is my American was married to what's her face?

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01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 4: That's Witherspoon's ex husband intensions. You gone.

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01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: I feel like recently he don't look as good as

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01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: he did back in the day. Oh my god, he

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01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: aged like.

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Speaker 4: That bitch right now, Petro Pascal no no I was

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01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 4: thinking about someone from the back of the day.

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Speaker 1: Linda love Hand got that same Christian.

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Speaker 2: And look how good he used to fucking look was

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Speaker 2: do you want to hear?

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Speaker 4: Bro?

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01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: Ryan Philippi looked like milk.

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Speaker 4: I always I always liked I didn't like Leonardo DiCaprio.

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Speaker 1: Oh, love LYO, lovely girl. I wanted.

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01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: I wanted little me in a car like he Oh my,

1389
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 2: that was suggestive sex. That was sad.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, hand the hands, handing, saw nip and draw.

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01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw the whole That was a sexy fucking scene.

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01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that. Now, I do want

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01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: to know we're talking about all these white people like this.

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01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: Well you said it was your white boy. That's why

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01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 1: I went to be there.

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Speaker 3: And we're really gonna be honest here, like a lot

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 3: of the black sex movie scenes came so much later from.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 4: And also, I mean it should be said that erotica,

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01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 4: at least in literature black books were really stigmatized, like.

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01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: They want the soldier was and she where he draw?

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01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: I think for me though, to like black erotic literature

1404
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: always and maybe it was the ones I like to read,

1405
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: but it is thereo typed Black people are so bad,

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01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: like there was always gang's drugs, violence, death, then sex.

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 4: And that also has a lot to do with just

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01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 4: the world of publishing and racism, in.

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Speaker 1: Which makes sense.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of the books that I read there

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Speaker 2: were drug dealers, they lived.

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Speaker 1: In the projects. Even even once they lived in the projects,

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Speaker 1: she met midnight.

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Speaker 3: I hate that all my black love stories were traffickers

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01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: because if I think about my.

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Speaker 1: Favorite black sex scene ever of.

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Speaker 2: Movies, Baby Boy, I never saw it. So I used

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01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 2: to like love and basketball. I think that I don't

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01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: know as an adult, I have not want gone back.

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Speaker 2: Do not go back.

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01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go back.

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01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm really mad that a movie that is a classic

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01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: that I love, I watched it recently.

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: I was like, it's justly your favorite movie.

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01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 2: Now I hate you about this short only because I

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01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 2: was the Air Force, and that's why I really want

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01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: to talk about more porn, erotica, dirty shit with you

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01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: because they're such a nice woman. But fe tale everybody

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01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: where to find you and what they can expect.

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Speaker 1: Listening to Stax pod.

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Speaker 4: You can find me at the Stacks podcast on Instagram,

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01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 4: the saxpodcast dot com. I do a weekly show. It's

1433
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 4: about books. You can find me talking about books. Honestly,

1434
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 4: you're not gonna find me talking about pussy. Yeah, don't worry,

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01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 4: there's hard They only have us for that. Yeah, you

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 4: already have your your pussy place. The pussy palace. I'm

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01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 4: more of the page's palace, if you will.

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Speaker 2: However, we did an episode so if you don't to

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01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 2: hear books and plenty, Okay.

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Speaker 4: The thing about my show that I feel like is

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Speaker 4: really fun for people and fun for me is that

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 4: all sorts of people write books, and so I get

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01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 4: to do an episode with you all where I talk

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01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 4: about sex and friendship and a running all these things.

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01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 4: And then you know, I think the week before you're

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Speaker 4: or no, sorry, that's not true because this is come

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Speaker 4: out in July. I think that, like, you know, around

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01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 4: the time that your book comes out or your your

1449
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 4: episode comes out. Got an episode about a thriller coming out.

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 4: He did a book for book club in June called

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01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 4: The Art Thief, which is about a guy who stole

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01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 4: a bunch of art.

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Speaker 1: We did, you know?

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Speaker 4: We're doing all sorts of books, and I'm trying to,

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01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 4: you know, highlight different kinds of literature and get people,

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01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 4: you know, in April we do poetry months because it's

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01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 4: natural poetrymonths. We do all sorts of shit. But I

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01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 4: think the most important thing to say to people is

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01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 4: I tried not to ever let anyone feel like they're

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01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 4: too dumb for books because I think you know, similarly,

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01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 4: you all probably deal with a lot of stigma around

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01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 4: sex and all this stuff, and there's that in the

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01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 4: book world where people feel they're not smart enough for books.

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: They don't not understand and read books, and now they do.

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01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: We don't wrote it, you wrote it, you read it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I want people to feel like I always

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01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 4: say I'm the dumbest person in the room, like when

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01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 4: I'm talking to these people who have pull zerprizes, and

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01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, so, what kind of smacks deally? You know,

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 4: but like it's also all nervous too. It's like I

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Speaker 4: want people to feel welcome into the book world, and

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 4: there's enough books for it.

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Speaker 3: That's why people love THEO and Donald Trump. We need

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01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 3: to see human granular.

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01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: Level that shit. Don't compare me to Donald Trump, but

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01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: otherwise that's yeah, that is life. THEO is so great.

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01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: I hate him for what he did. I really think

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01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: it contributed to the vote.

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Speaker 3: But being a good interviewer is asking shit no one

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: else on their pressa uruant you did from Andy and

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Speaker 3: I so thank you.

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01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: Oh good, I got a good questions. So you guys, yeah,

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01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: how did we write the book?

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01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 3: Like when you said, how down to where we did

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 3: it laptop phone?

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: It was such a great question.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks my goods, Well, thank you guys for

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01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 2: having me. This was fun by everybody. Go and check

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01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 2: us out on feature on dot com, backslash Horrible Decisions

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01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 2: from more juicyt and come see us on tour. We

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Speaker 2: tournbitches an HB tour dot com. We are bringing the

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Speaker 2: book from the pages to the stages in a city

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Speaker 2: near you. Do not forget to fucking join us on

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Speaker 2: tour a n HB tour dot com and get your book.

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Speaker 1: Will say so, Hi,