Speaker 1: Get your head us together and we're going to start
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Speaker 3: Oh bank God, Nicole and Maria they finally made it.
Speaker 2: Yay.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: Nicole and Jimmy and of course Maria q Caine. You
Speaker 3: get the whole name in there, Mom and daughter of course,
Speaker 3: the stars of our Mother Knows Death podcast on the
Speaker 3: Elvis Dran Podcast Network. May I'll just give give you
Speaker 3: a little business by the way, sure in all of
Speaker 3: our podcasts on our network, you guys are one of
Speaker 3: the best. You guys are doing so well, you're killing it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Speaking of killing it, of your weekly podcast, of course,
Speaker 3: focuses on pathology, forensics, death, and you don't do it
Speaker 3: in an overly clinical way. You guys talk about all
Speaker 3: these incredible fun subjects in a way we understand what
Speaker 3: you're saying, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thanks. I feel like when I was in college, I
Speaker 4: had a really hard time understanding all of these fancy
Speaker 4: medical words, so I had to dumb it down for myself.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a high school drop well, so you
Speaker 4: know I had to bring it down to my level.
Speaker 4: But that I feel like that that helps me explain
Speaker 4: it to people better.
Speaker 3: But both of you are I feel stupid after a moment.
Speaker 3: I'll show you both because you both are so educated,
Speaker 3: especially you know, hyper focusing on pathology. And it's just
Speaker 3: don't you feel like you learned something every time you
Speaker 3: hang out.
Speaker 5: With them without a doubt. I mean, even if you
Speaker 5: just follow them on Instagram or follow Mother Knows Death
Speaker 5: and Missus and Jemmy on Instagram, you learned so much
Speaker 5: about like mister diagnoses and all kinds of other things.
Speaker 3: Well, God, you brought them to us first. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: had them on your podcast. What was it that was
Speaker 3: so interesting to you about them that made us go,
Speaker 3: oh my god? So you know we were gonna steal
Speaker 3: them from you.
Speaker 5: I love women in science number one, so that is
Speaker 5: always exciting to me. But this stories that they have,
Speaker 5: especially Nicole about her time doing you know, pathology assistant
Speaker 5: research and pulling things apart. And when she said, everything
Speaker 5: that gets taken out of a body comes to her
Speaker 5: and then she gets to analyze it and kind of
Speaker 5: break like figure out what happened here or what's going
Speaker 5: on with it. I was riveted, especially when you find
Speaker 5: out some of the things that come out of a body.
Speaker 3: So you would go in with all the pathology team,
Speaker 3: and after someone passes away, you go inside to try
Speaker 3: to figure out why they died.
Speaker 4: Two different there's two different divisions of our job, which
Speaker 4: is one is surgical pathology. So any single thing that
Speaker 4: ever gets taken out of a person's body goes to
Speaker 4: our lab. So that could be something as simple as
Speaker 4: teeth or a quarter a kid swallowed. Also really weird
Speaker 4: stuff people put in their bodies.
Speaker 5: A lot of guys tripping and fallen in the shower.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, guys landing on things. What's the weirdest things
Speaker 4: ever come to you? I'm sure I've said this before.
Speaker 4: It's the half eaten pair.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what there's a story behind it. Tell
Speaker 3: the half eaten pairs.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, some woman put a pair in her husband's
Speaker 4: rectum and started eating it and it got sucked up.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 3: They say, never put things in there that isn't connected, or.
Speaker 4: It's a broad based.
Speaker 3: Like a ball and chain like a tether ball. Wow, okay,
Speaker 3: but it was eaten and then.
Speaker 5: But what's cool though, is like you know, she was
Speaker 5: talking about teeth, but also a bullet. You will take
Speaker 5: that and analyze that right. Or a breast implant, Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: we got anything.
Speaker 4: I have gotten a bullet before. We don't commonly get
Speaker 4: them because they should go right to the medical examiner's
Speaker 4: office with the body. But yeah, I mean breast implants
Speaker 4: that fail, penis and plants that fail. Wow, things like
Speaker 4: and obviously we get other things like breasts entire breast
Speaker 4: if a person has breast cancer, colon if a person
Speaker 4: has colon cancer.
Speaker 7: Oh so when I had my breast reduced, they said
Speaker 7: that they sent mine out to get checked, and that's
Speaker 7: how I found out I was higher risk for breast
Speaker 7: cancer because everything gets checked and they send it out
Speaker 7: when they take it out of your body.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it would come to me and we would weigh,
Speaker 4: especially in reduction cases. Sometimes the weight of it has
Speaker 4: to do if insurance will pay for it or not,
Speaker 4: if it's cosmetic, or if it's actually causing you medical problems.
Speaker 4: And we cut it up and we look for tumors
Speaker 4: and we have found incidental cancers and those.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My thought is this, If I go into my doctor
Speaker 3: every year for my physical you know, they scan, they poke,
Speaker 3: and prod and that's as bed as far as they
Speaker 3: get blood. Of course, blood that helps. What is wrong
Speaker 3: with the thought here? I just want to go in
Speaker 3: as a somewhat healthy functioning guy. I want you to
Speaker 3: put me on the table and just start digging around
Speaker 3: in there and try to find something wrong. Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 3: I mean? Is that a stupid way to try to
Speaker 3: see if anyone has a problem brewing inside? Or I
Speaker 3: mean it's very invasive, I would assume.
Speaker 4: But an autopsy, I want to want to I want
Speaker 4: to as like being alive, you want I.
Speaker 3: Want to be a living autopsy?
Speaker 4: All right, So this is what I would recommend you.
Speaker 4: They have these full body ct and MRIs you can
Speaker 4: get as it doesn't have to be ordered by your doctor.
Speaker 4: You can go and and pay to get that done
Speaker 4: if you really want to find out. That's as close
Speaker 4: as you're getting. No One, no doctor is going to
Speaker 4: cut you open and just peek around and make sure everything's.
Speaker 3: Why not, what's what's your problem?
Speaker 5: What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 4: Anytime you open the abdomen or the chest, your you
Speaker 4: can cause scarring and adhesions, which is how Lisa Marie
Speaker 4: Presley died.
Speaker 3: Actually what Lisa Marie Pressley died because of scarring.
Speaker 4: Yeah, from surgical Wow.
Speaker 3: Hey, let's talk about that for a second. Can we
Speaker 3: talk about the book. Yes, Okay, So Nicole's writing a
Speaker 3: book about celebrity deaths. This is gonna be fascinating because
Speaker 3: we're fascinated with celebrity anyway. Yeah, but when they pass away,
Speaker 3: sometimes we don't get the whole story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's often times wrong. So I've been writing
Speaker 4: about celebrity deaths actually for the past five years. So
Speaker 4: I have a collection of almost a hundred of them
Speaker 4: already because I do it every week. And yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean it's it's really interesting. So I started writing the
Speaker 4: book and I've only done nine so far because I
Speaker 4: have until next year to write it. So I've been
Speaker 4: just doing it every couple of days and I start.
Speaker 4: But I'm doing everyone from really interesting ones like Gene
Speaker 4: Hackman that just died and higher profile cases like Lisa Marie,
Speaker 4: but also older ones like Gilda Radner and al Capone
Speaker 4: died from syphilis. It's just so interesting.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, back up. Wow, I know al Capone, I
Speaker 3: can see, But Gilda Radner died from so civil No, no, no, she.
Speaker 4: Has a varying kid. I'm just.
Speaker 7: What about Amy wine House.
Speaker 4: Will she be in there, Amy Winehouse will be in there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wrote about her a couple of years ago because
Speaker 4: she died from effects of the alcoholism. So it's it's
Speaker 4: gonna be really awesome. Really, it's it's comprehensive, just people
Speaker 4: Alex Trebek, Steve Jobs, just Freddie Mercury, just really it's
Speaker 4: it's awesome, And it's just it's not a lot of reading,
Speaker 4: because I'm not a huge reader like that. You could
Speaker 4: read one and be done and go back to it
Speaker 4: and start off. It's not a continuous book.
Speaker 5: Like a fun little anthology. Yeah, it's just like cliff notes.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: One of the things that she said that I thought
Speaker 5: was so fascinating. I think about it all the time
Speaker 5: whenever we hear a cause of death now, is that
Speaker 5: cardiac arrest as a cause of death is kind of
Speaker 5: a cop out because everyone's gonna die when their heart stops,
Speaker 5: of course, but what caused the heart to stop is
Speaker 5: more interesting in what they kind of try to analyze that.
Speaker 4: It literally just happened yesterday because I wrote it down
Speaker 4: because I want to put it in my book. So
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson was the most That's what they were saying
Speaker 4: he died of cardiac arrest. But cardiac arrest just major
Speaker 4: heart stops. So like, no, shit, that's how everybody dies, right.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so they just did it with Jane Goodall.
Speaker 4: They just came out and said her cause of death
Speaker 4: was cardiac arrest. I just saw it, and she died
Speaker 4: from complications of old age, which, well, that.
Speaker 2: Was your favorite to you, right, because that's how they
Speaker 2: said the queen died old age.
Speaker 3: Old age doesn't answer my question, like the body just
Speaker 3: gives out?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 3: Okay, what's the scientific term for the body just gives up?
Speaker 4: And there's things that happen as you age, like your
Speaker 4: blood vessels become weaker, and you can get calcifications and
Speaker 4: things like that which can lead to stroke and coronary
Speaker 4: artery disease and things like that. But that would be
Speaker 4: what you put on the death certificate. That's what would
Speaker 4: be the cause of death, not old age.
Speaker 3: Old age.
Speaker 4: I love it and I use it in my lecture.
Speaker 4: Is an example of her actual death certificate. It says
Speaker 4: old agent.
Speaker 5: That's wild that I wanted to stay in mind too.
Speaker 4: And you know, in the hospital and stuff, we always
Speaker 4: have doctors that put cardiac arrest, and then we have
Speaker 4: to go up to them and say this is this
Speaker 4: is not a cause of death, like change it, figure
Speaker 4: out what happened and be more specific.
Speaker 2: So it's funny though, because we had an episode coming
Speaker 2: out this week. Actually we had another expert, justin Scott
Speaker 2: Morgan on our show and the two of them are
Speaker 2: geeking out about causes of death, and we were talking
Speaker 2: about a story where a woman unfortunately was kicked in
Speaker 2: the chest by a student and died. And I said,
Speaker 2: as a layperson, I'm accepting a face value that she
Speaker 2: just got kicked and died. And they're talking about all this.
Speaker 2: You know, she could have her heart could have stopped,
Speaker 2: she could have had a clog, all this other stuff,
Speaker 2: and I'm just mind blown by.
Speaker 3: The kicked and died the certificate. I wanted to to say,
Speaker 3: just gave up. He just gave up, give up, he
Speaker 3: was done, so go ahead.
Speaker 5: Is there a lot of conflict then between doctors and
Speaker 5: pathology teams when they put something like that on a
Speaker 5: death certificate and you guys come back and say no, no, no,
Speaker 5: you need to change that. Do you guys argue about it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: They're usually pretty good it's just kind of a pain
Speaker 4: because we have to track them down and sometimes you
Speaker 4: know they're gone for their night, they're not coming back
Speaker 4: for two days, and things like that could hold up
Speaker 4: the process. But oftentimes they especially if they're getting an autopsy,
Speaker 4: they might think that they know what the cause of
Speaker 4: death was and then we open them and we change
Speaker 4: it because it's different. Well so and they don't get
Speaker 4: they don't argue with it, like we just can show
Speaker 4: them this is what it is. Come look and there's
Speaker 4: no arguing. It's science right like it's it is what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: By the way, you're listening to Mother Knows Death with
Speaker 3: Nicole and her daughter Maria Stars from our podcast every
Speaker 3: week the pathology, forensics, death and fun stuff that goes
Speaker 3: along with it. In your book, though, of your anatomy book, yes,
Speaker 3: do you have Is there an an actual alphabet like
Speaker 3: as for anus? Can you recite every single letter?
Speaker 4: No, it's because I had to do. I wanted it
Speaker 4: to be an alphabet and some things I had to
Speaker 4: there's there's not really an anatomical organ you would say
Speaker 4: for Z for example, So I use zygomatic bone, which
Speaker 4: is your dis bone in your face. Here your cheekbone,
Speaker 4: so that sometimes I used a whole organ like the heart.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I used I might used circulatory system just to
Speaker 4: just to fit it in. But yeah, it was very hard.
Speaker 4: I used X chromosome okay, yeah, but it just it
Speaker 4: just was random. But I had to do it just
Speaker 4: because I felt like that would be easier for people
Speaker 4: to look at body parts. I just say it's body
Speaker 4: parts because I think I use arm like that's not
Speaker 4: I guess extremity. Maybe I used I don't really know.
Speaker 3: This is my point. I need for you to nail
Speaker 3: down the official out for bet get back to me
Speaker 3: next time and.
Speaker 4: First light it by hard. Yeah. I'm just like, I know,
Speaker 4: there's anus, extramity. Everything's there, every single part of your
Speaker 4: body and every organ, adrenal, gland, elvis. I didn't write
Speaker 4: that book for like three years. My memory is just
Speaker 4: the best memory and the worst memory.
Speaker 3: It's weird and funny what the brain will hold on
Speaker 3: to and what it was. So let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: As far as the body goes, you can see how
Speaker 3: a tendon works, you can see how a bone works
Speaker 3: or whatever. But when it comes to the brain, that's
Speaker 3: a whole other world. That's a it's like it's like
Speaker 3: deep sea diving. It's you're you're you're diving down to
Speaker 3: the bottom of the ocean, and it's it's a world
Speaker 3: that we're still finding out more and more every day.
Speaker 3: What have you discovered in your travels as far as
Speaker 3: pathology about the brain, Like what has fascinated you?
Speaker 4: Well, most people don't realize this, but they're specific. You know,
Speaker 4: there's specific brain surgeons. Well, there's specific pathologists that just
Speaker 4: do brain and spinal quarter or the nervous system. And
Speaker 4: so when we look when we take out a brain
Speaker 4: and look at it autopsy, we're looking for something that's
Speaker 4: blatantly obvious, like they had a stroke and aneurysm, there's
Speaker 4: a tumor or something like that, but the very specific
Speaker 4: neurological things that could happen to people. We take that
Speaker 4: brain and we save it aside, and a special neuropathologist
Speaker 4: will dissect it days later and look at it and
Speaker 4: come up with a diagnosis if it's something like more
Speaker 4: specific like MS or als or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, are you saying you didn't go to class on
Speaker 3: brain day.
Speaker 2: Day?
Speaker 4: People? Exactly, Like it's a whole other field of medicine accent.
Speaker 4: It's just and it's it's very hard to tell. When
Speaker 4: they slice the brain, they'll just look at it and say, oh,
Speaker 4: this minute little thing is this and this. I mean,
Speaker 4: you can't see things grossly with your naked eye, like
Speaker 4: schizophrenic or something like that. But you could see Alzheimer's.
Speaker 4: You could see CTE. The chronic traumatic encephalopathy is the
Speaker 4: one that you associate with football players, you know, hitting
Speaker 4: their head in multiple concussions. So you could see that.
Speaker 4: But that's their specialty, and most regular doctors don't want
Speaker 4: to deal with the brain because it's like a whole
Speaker 4: other beast.
Speaker 5: Wow, I bet well. One of the things I learned
Speaker 5: from her about the brain, and our dentist, Elvis, he
Speaker 5: listened to the podcast and was so happy she brought
Speaker 5: it up, was how very closely your mouth is connected
Speaker 5: to your brain, and if you do not take care
Speaker 5: of your mouth, what can happen to your brain.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's my problem.
Speaker 5: I'm positive.
Speaker 3: I'm going today. I'll have them do me right, chick
Speaker 3: that up.
Speaker 5: I mean, essentially, covity can kill you, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really can.
Speaker 3: Talk about how they can kill you.
Speaker 4: I actually had a really crazy case of a young
Speaker 4: girl in her early twenties that had a wisdom tooth
Speaker 4: pulled out and then she just got a terrible infection
Speaker 4: and we got her whole entire jaw resected that they
Speaker 4: sent down to the lab because she had osteomylitis, which
Speaker 4: is an infection in the bone, and they had to
Speaker 4: remove her entire jaw because of it. A lot of
Speaker 4: times people take for granted these minor procedures that we
Speaker 4: get done, and there could be really bad complications with
Speaker 4: simple things. I just did a case for on my
Speaker 4: Instagram account. I do mystery diagnosis every week, and this
Speaker 4: week I had a picture of a person that got
Speaker 4: a full sleeve tattoo who died and they got toxic
Speaker 4: shock syndrome from getting tattooed. And whenever you hear about that,
Speaker 4: people think, Tampa, Yeah, that's like drilled into our head, right,
Speaker 4: But really, you can get it from something as minor
Speaker 4: of a procedure as a tattoo, because it breaks the
Speaker 4: skin and it allows in this special kind of bacteria
Speaker 4: that can release toxins that could spread to your organs
Speaker 4: and kill you. So it's and you could get it
Speaker 4: with a scrape or anything. It's just and people think
Speaker 4: tattoos or everybody has a tattoo, but it is you're
Speaker 4: putting a large abrasion over your skin that could let
Speaker 4: you're letting down that protective barrier and bacteria from the
Speaker 4: outside world could get in really easily.
Speaker 3: What's up scary?
Speaker 8: You know, I'm fascinated with the liver because I know
Speaker 8: that that's associated with drinking and stuff. Could you tell
Speaker 8: right away when you see a liver, like, oh, that
Speaker 8: person drink a lot over their lifetime, and what does
Speaker 8: that look like.
Speaker 4: So first, when you drink a lot, you get your
Speaker 4: liver starts to get replaced by fat and it gets
Speaker 4: it actually gets bigger than it normally should get. And
Speaker 4: it's really cool because sometimes when you open the body,
Speaker 4: the liver's so big that you could see the impressions
Speaker 4: from the ribs because it's pushing up against the ribs.
Speaker 4: It's really I mean, it's not cool for them obviously,
Speaker 4: but it's cool scientifically. And then once it has so fatty,
Speaker 4: liver is considered to be reversible. So if you ever
Speaker 4: get diagnosed with that, if you stop drinking, it could
Speaker 4: go back to normal. But once it starts scarring up,
Speaker 4: it gets cirrhosis, and then it starts to shrink and
Speaker 4: it looks very nodular and it's very striking. You can
Speaker 4: tell the difference and it becomes smaller, and you also
Speaker 4: get associated things with that. You can get hemorrhoids, and
Speaker 4: if there's any kind of a blockage of the portal system,
Speaker 4: which is a part of the circulatory system that goes
Speaker 4: through the liver, it can make blood back up into
Speaker 4: the anus with hemorrhoids, and it could also do it
Speaker 4: in the esophagus. You could get swelling in the legs,
Speaker 4: you could get your your spleen could get really big.
Speaker 4: So there's kind of a pattern you see with it
Speaker 4: as well. Wow fluid you ever see like an alcoholic
Speaker 4: might have, like a belly that looks pregnant on a man,
Speaker 4: It's just filled with fluid. It's just a whole picture
Speaker 4: you see when you when you open them up.
Speaker 7: That's how my system was after college.
Speaker 4: A little bit difference between like the fat the fat
Speaker 4: because that's the omental fat. That's the fat that sits
Speaker 4: on top of your organs that acts as not only
Speaker 4: protection for your organs, but it insulates and keeps them
Speaker 4: to your body temperature.
Speaker 3: As well, so, as you know, mother and daughter doing
Speaker 3: a podcast together, how much fun do you have when
Speaker 3: you sit in front of those microphones both of you
Speaker 3: talk to me about a topic or two you've had
Speaker 3: recently on the podcast, where you just go on and
Speaker 3: on because you're so excited about where you're going. You
Speaker 3: have way too much material because you just get so
Speaker 3: passionate about how much fun you're having something.
Speaker 4: This is the memory thing. It's like people say, would you,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't even know what we talked about.
Speaker 3: I mean you like to go down the morose, gross
Speaker 3: avenue from time to time, and.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we have fun. You know. We have some
Speaker 2: stories where we end up going on tangents where we
Speaker 2: start talking about personal stuff. We really love making fun
Speaker 2: of my grandparents. They're such easy targets and our listeners
Speaker 2: love hearing the stories. So those are always fun. And
Speaker 2: then we fight sometimes and the listeners.
Speaker 4: Seem to like that, so we do. We fight, and
Speaker 4: then they and I'm just like, she's my kid. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put her in a place, but she's like,
Speaker 4: you're a boomer. Stop it.
Speaker 2: Like also, just two Italian women talking to each other,
Speaker 2: So I think people think we're always fighting, but it's.
Speaker 4: You should see our family parties. It's everyone is talking
Speaker 4: over each other and it's really loud.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I mean yesterday though, I went on especially a tangent
Speaker 2: about Kevin Federline's book for probably way too long, and
Speaker 2: everybody didn't want to hear about it. But we get
Speaker 2: passionate about things, and I feel bad for Brittany so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I have a different opinion, are you too? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So that was a like I was just like, nah,
Speaker 4: so yeah, I just look at it like like he
Speaker 4: he bowled her out. And this is some of the
Speaker 4: stuff that that was in that book, if it's true,
Speaker 4: is like if that was a person that was living
Speaker 4: in your neighborhood, you'd be like that person's scumbag.
Speaker 6: And she have their kids, right, like, this is the
Speaker 6: mother of his children, thank you, And she already has
Speaker 6: issues that he has said she's helped with, so putting
Speaker 6: this out there is not helping the woman.
Speaker 4: And what are the kids thinking? How can you do
Speaker 4: that to your children?
Speaker 2: I agree, I think he's exploiting a mentally unwell person,
Speaker 2: thank you. And it doesn't matter if the kids are
Speaker 2: five or forty five. I just think there's a point
Speaker 2: where you don't keep talking about it.
Speaker 4: But but she said she wanted them dead, So I
Speaker 4: think that they're like.
Speaker 7: How do we know?
Speaker 2: She said that it's not there?
Speaker 4: Now do we know?
Speaker 5: She's evolving into hell?
Speaker 1: Here we go?
Speaker 4: He said.
Speaker 5: She said, are there any celebrities that you look at
Speaker 5: or people in general that you look at and you
Speaker 5: can tell before you cut into them, before anything comes out,
Speaker 5: that person has something going on? They're a little sick,
Speaker 5: and you know what it is?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, lots of different things.
Speaker 3: Why you look at me like that?
Speaker 4: And sometimes I see certain things like one of one
Speaker 4: thing is is clubbing of the fingertips, right, So it's
Speaker 4: very unusual and I could pick it out on a
Speaker 4: person if their fingertips, it's the certain way that their
Speaker 4: fingernails look on the on the tips of their fingers.
Speaker 4: And you can look at a person and just say, Okay,
Speaker 4: they might have some kind of lung pathology or hard
Speaker 4: pathology going on. There's some association with it that they're
Speaker 4: not one hundred percent sure of the mechanism of it,
Speaker 4: but it might have something to do with just an
Speaker 4: increase of blood flow to the fingertips. That's causing their
Speaker 4: fingernails to look weird.
Speaker 3: But it is something talk about like look at my okay,
Speaker 3: don't look at that one. A nail went thro that
Speaker 3: fingernail to ignore that one.
Speaker 4: Yours look fine. They look they look very specific. I
Speaker 4: don't think anyone here if you had them, I would
Speaker 4: be like, yo, she'll have telling you good, that's good,
Speaker 4: save your life. Yeah I did. I will tell somebody
Speaker 4: if I see something that I think is alarming and
Speaker 4: she yells at me, because I'll just say something to
Speaker 4: somebody at the.
Speaker 5: Mall, say.
Speaker 3: I told a strangers, hey, by the way, what will
Speaker 3: you see on someone? Give it us An example of this.
Speaker 4: Guy that was checking us out once he had this
Speaker 4: this baker cyst. I saw that. I was just like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, baker systo.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like that for every twenty buying the kids
Speaker 2: clothes and she just goes baker cysts.
Speaker 4: That develops and you know, like in your wrist there.
Speaker 4: I just thought it was I do. I see people
Speaker 4: all the time, and especially with the when I was
Speaker 4: writing the book, I see such rare pathology sometimes that
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh God, I really just I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to be rude, like I will. I want them to
Speaker 4: tell their story. And I feel like I feel like
Speaker 4: I do that because a lot of times people look
Speaker 4: really unusual and people are not nice to them, and
Speaker 4: they stare at them and they and they're curious. But
Speaker 4: people are just curious and they just want to know.
Speaker 4: And I think the more you just talk about all
Speaker 4: these different conditions that people could have and just it's normal,
Speaker 4: they won't feel so isolated. You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that, and I've I've been really interested
Speaker 5: and I've talked to her about this before because she
Speaker 5: sees all kinds of things. I said, is there something
Speaker 5: that you would never allow your children to do because
Speaker 5: of what you see? The aftermath is when people come out.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean there's lots of different things, Like some
Speaker 4: parents are crazier than me as far as like the
Speaker 4: trampoline park and stuff. I don't really care about that stuff,
Speaker 4: but I do. There's been a lot of things with
Speaker 4: rides recently of people getting killed on brides and I
Speaker 4: do I let them do it, but thank god my
Speaker 4: husband let them go in that big drop thing and
Speaker 4: he took them and I was just like, thank god
Speaker 4: I wasn't there because I feel like I might, I
Speaker 4: might be kind of a drag, Like I don't let
Speaker 4: them cross a big street in my town when every
Speaker 4: other kid in my town is allowed across it. Like
Speaker 4: I'm just like scared because my kids are you know,
Speaker 4: kids say are real zoned out. They're just like and
Speaker 4: people are drunk and drive or texting, yeah, and they'll
Speaker 4: go right up on the sidewalk, And I'm just always
Speaker 4: I'm really scared about that, Like I worry about it
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 5: I remember you specifically saying motorcycles are an absolutely for you.
Speaker 4: That's a no now. These e bikes, yeah, we're the
Speaker 4: scooter rentals when we go travel and things. I'm like, no, now,
Speaker 4: especially with no helmets. You were crazy and a lot
Speaker 4: of I have friends all around the country that work
Speaker 4: in emergency rooms and stuff, and just tell me, like,
Speaker 4: we're seeing these people, especially in cities like Miami or
Speaker 4: something that has them, like they're the emergency room and
Speaker 4: trauma there are seeing them often just people that are
Speaker 4: visiting that are going forty miles an hour on a scooter.
Speaker 3: Like it's bad, you know, Puse there's no helmet laws there.
Speaker 5: I don't think I don't think so either.
Speaker 3: No, I see people in Miami ripping at one hundred
Speaker 3: miles an hour on ninety five with no helmet on whatsoever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's frightening.
Speaker 4: Wow, honestly, like the helmet is not going to do anything.
Speaker 4: Like if you're going slower, definitely, but if you're going
Speaker 4: nine to miles an hour, I don't know that that's
Speaker 4: saving your life. It's kind of a false sense of security.
Speaker 3: Have you ever in your time in a pathology session?
Speaker 3: What would you call that when you're actually doing the
Speaker 3: autopsy right, Sorry, you actually get emotional and had to
Speaker 3: leave the room, and you're thinking, if only this person
Speaker 3: had made this different decision, they wouldn't be here right now.
Speaker 3: Do you ever get that wound up with it? Or
Speaker 3: do you just look at the body parts as body
Speaker 3: parts and try to figure it out.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've had certain situations where I've gone home
Speaker 4: and been maybe a little upset about something, but not
Speaker 4: to the point where I couldn't do my job or
Speaker 4: had to set aside, you know, Like, so you're heartless. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's exactly why I'm not a nurse, because I just
Speaker 4: can turn it off pretty easy.
Speaker 7: But don't you feel like you become numb because you
Speaker 7: see so much of this.
Speaker 4: No, it's I don't know that it really ever bothered me.
Speaker 4: It's very it's very easy for me to disconnect from it.
Speaker 4: And I feel like if I was too connected, it
Speaker 4: would be I wasn't doing my job or something.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's certain cases like we had a
Speaker 4: guy that was that and this is just like a
Speaker 4: kind of boring death. The guy at pneumonia, he was forty,
Speaker 4: but then his wife had had made sure in his
Speaker 4: body bag, like his Eagles hat was with them, and
Speaker 4: I just like, you know, that makes it like more personal,
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh god, this guy was going to
Speaker 4: watch the game this weekend and his and his wife
Speaker 4: and he's my age, or you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And one time we got a colon in the lab
Speaker 4: for Colon Cam. It was on a nineteen year old
Speaker 4: girl and there was an obstruction. So that was not
Speaker 4: what we were thinking at all, because nineteen year olds
Speaker 4: just don't get colon cancer, right, And then we went
Speaker 4: down to get coffee and we're and then the family
Speaker 4: was in the coffee shop thinking like, she'll be at
Speaker 4: a surgery soon. It's I'm sure it's not that big
Speaker 4: of a deal, and I'm like thinking, no, she actually
Speaker 4: has really like stage three cancer. I just looked at it,
Speaker 4: you know, but I but I feel bad, and then
Speaker 4: I just I don't know, like it you can't really
Speaker 4: function in any I think if you talk to emergency
Speaker 4: room doctors or anything, it's just like you know, my
Speaker 4: you know, my husband's a firefighter. It's the same thing.
Speaker 4: Like you can't sit there and feel bad right at
Speaker 4: the moment, like you go home and you're just kind
Speaker 4: of like, yeah, that was unfortunate.
Speaker 5: So if you have advice for us how we stay alive?
Speaker 5: What is it that we need to do that? You
Speaker 5: see constantly people are messing up.
Speaker 3: What mistake are we making? Over and over?
Speaker 4: People aren't gonna want to hear this. But alcohol's terrible. Okay,
Speaker 4: it's just terrible.
Speaker 3: Well are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 4: It's I feel like the as the most recent study
Speaker 4: that there's no amount of alcohol that is is I
Speaker 4: don't want to sound like like like a what's a
Speaker 4: fun sucker from Debbie down? Yeah, like straight, yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean in moderation everything, you know, besides crack or something.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there was so many, so many years I
Speaker 3: would go by saying, you know what, you need to
Speaker 3: have a glass of red wine every single day whatever.
Speaker 3: But now the news studies are saying no, you should
Speaker 3: have nothing with alcohol at all.
Speaker 4: To say nothing is is just kind of It's like
Speaker 4: the same theory I have with taking YouTube away from
Speaker 4: my kids, like if I take it one hundred percent
Speaker 4: away from them, that it's just gonna make them want
Speaker 4: it more. Kind of. So I think people can do
Speaker 4: it once in a while, but just a lot of
Speaker 4: people drink and multiple days a week, multiple drinks and
Speaker 4: think that they're not an alcoholic, when in fact that
Speaker 4: would be the definition. So and then that's when I
Speaker 4: mean the social and the and the brain damage you're
Speaker 4: doing is one thing. I'm just talking about damage to
Speaker 4: the body itself, because it not only damages your liver,
Speaker 4: could damage your heart. And and then of course smoking
Speaker 4: is the worst thing that was ever introduced to our
Speaker 4: society ever for health purposes.
Speaker 5: It's all the fun stuff, the smoking, the drinking. Are
Speaker 5: you gonna say sugar, No, I mean moderate.
Speaker 4: I don't know moderation. I don't want to be like
Speaker 4: that because like please like look at me, like I
Speaker 4: eat a lot of sugar, you know, like, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not like trying to. I don't drink, though, I'm
Speaker 4: kind of I'm not. I've seen enough. I used to
Speaker 4: do liver the liver transplants or the explants, which is
Speaker 4: the bad liver that they took out of someone before
Speaker 4: they put the new liver in. And I just saw
Speaker 4: a lot of it and it was enough to you know,
Speaker 4: scare you. Yeah, wow, No to self, you need and
Speaker 4: you don't want to have to ever get a liver
Speaker 4: transplant if you don't need one, it's it's like really
Speaker 4: life changing, altering surgery.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: So I don't want anything if I don't have to
Speaker 5: get it taken out or put in exactly good.
Speaker 3: So, So coming up on some future podcasts, I know
Speaker 3: you have no memory whatsoever. Maybe it's a lack of alcohol,
Speaker 3: too much sugar, I don't know. Do you have any
Speaker 3: podcast topics coming up that you are just excited to
Speaker 3: push play on and let the world here.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are interviewing the prosecutor from the Golden State
Speaker 2: killer case, and that's one of my favorite true crime cases.
Speaker 3: Talk about it.
Speaker 2: Do you know about this crime at all a little bit?
Speaker 3: But I'm nowhere near as much as you know obviously.
Speaker 2: So these crimes took place in California back in the seventies.
Speaker 2: For a very long time, they believed it was three
Speaker 2: different perpetrators. So one was just a man burglarizing houses,
Speaker 2: the second was somebody committing sexual assault, and the third
Speaker 2: was a murderer. And through all these years they were
Speaker 2: able to tie them to one person.
Speaker 4: Really through the.
Speaker 2: Help of Pat and Oswald's former wife, Michelle McNamara.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So she really helped reopen that case and get some
Speaker 2: traction behind it, and she unfortunately passed away before they
Speaker 2: found the killer. But just in twenty eighteen, I believe
Speaker 2: they were able to take DNA from a rape kit
Speaker 2: and they found the man and he was in his
Speaker 2: seventies living with his daughter and they arrested him. So
Speaker 2: that was kind of a groundbreaking case for forensics using
Speaker 2: DNA in that type of way, and we were very
Speaker 2: fortunate to have the prosecutor coming on our show.
Speaker 5: Wow, it's exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So next time Nate's out murdering someone, give him
Speaker 3: a little tip, what like what are they leaving behind?
Speaker 3: And maybe not your specialty, but I'm sure maybe you've
Speaker 3: seen as far as evidence on a body. What are
Speaker 3: we leaving behind that's gonna get us thrown in prison?
Speaker 2: Hair is number one? And then in the Idaho murder's case,
Speaker 2: he left behind a fingerprint on the knight's sheath. They
Speaker 2: were able to extract DNA from that.
Speaker 4: What else are people leaving?
Speaker 2: But you know, people think they're just such good criminals,
Speaker 2: and you would think they would get better over time
Speaker 2: with all the access to internet and these stories we have,
Speaker 2: but they're just getting worse.
Speaker 3: Sloppy, sloppy work, Nate.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'll do better next time.
Speaker 5: Curely any DNA left behind, bad idea. Well has matt
Speaker 5: suits to kill people's This is.
Speaker 4: Why they say if you ever get attacked or anything,
Speaker 4: to make sure that you scratch the you know them,
Speaker 4: to get DNA because that can really that's really gonna
Speaker 4: be the way to really catch anyone for sure, because
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff is circumstantial and you don't want
Speaker 4: somebody getting off you know who else? Oh we have
Speaker 4: So do you remember Gabby Petito case?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I'm interviewing her stepfather this week and that
Speaker 4: will be on next next week. We're doing that, Yeah, so,
Speaker 4: and he's awesome. Jim Schmidt. So he's also a fireman,
Speaker 4: so we have this like connection to talk about things,
Speaker 4: and so he's we're going to really just talk about
Speaker 4: that case and just all of the trauma their family
Speaker 4: has been through a lot of it. I haven't heard
Speaker 4: really on the news or that perspective, So I'm looking
Speaker 4: forward to that the podcast.
Speaker 3: Of course, Mother Knows Death, of course Mom and Daughter.
Speaker 3: It makes sense to me. You guys are always so
Speaker 3: interesting when you come see us. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: all day. Thank you. We didn't get as gross in
Speaker 3: ichy this time.
Speaker 5: There's still time.
Speaker 3: Well, ask a Nike question, a question. What's the ichiest
Speaker 3: thing you've been studying lately?
Speaker 4: What did you just see on my instagram?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, on the instagram, the first thing you see.
Speaker 5: Is it was the word smegma, which we're not sure
Speaker 5: if it's smegma or smegma, but there was a what
Speaker 5: was a hairball amegma covered hairball that you were covered someone.
Speaker 4: Covering someone's i U D That was removed so when
Speaker 4: they so. An i U D is an inner uterine
Speaker 4: device that is put up inside of the uterus as
Speaker 4: a birth control and it has little strings that hang
Speaker 4: off of it. Like little plastic sutures that hang off
Speaker 4: of it, so it could be pulled out if it
Speaker 4: needs to. It's also really important that that thing stays
Speaker 4: in place because that's considered a foreign body, and they
Speaker 4: like to your body likes to attack it, and it does.
Speaker 4: It recognizes is it foreign, and it pushes it. So
Speaker 4: it could go through your uterus, it could go into
Speaker 4: your colon. It can move. I had a case on
Speaker 4: my website, the Gross Room that it moved out someone's
Speaker 4: as well, like they found it in their as Yes,
Speaker 4: so they can push through. So those strings hanging in
Speaker 4: someone's vagina, anyone that's ever had an I U D.
Speaker 4: They I guess that's why it extra gross them out
Speaker 4: because there was a hairball stuck to it. So you think, well,
Speaker 4: how did hair get up there all the way up?
Speaker 3: How did it get up there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we understand the Smegma part.
Speaker 3: Central intercourse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would. I would say yes, through through sex.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you have hair around the hole, it's
Speaker 4: found to get off there, is it? I mean, I
Speaker 4: I don't know. I would just like one one.
Speaker 5: Together, fascinating.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 5: There's so much good stuff.
Speaker 3: Nicole and Maria, thank you so much for coming in today.
Speaker 3: The podcast, of course, Mother Knows Death, a part of
Speaker 3: the Elvis DRAN podcast network and doing brilliantly.
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