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Speaker 1: Get your head us together and we're going to start

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Speaker 1: to party.

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Speaker 2: Start.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to party the Elvis Duran after Party.

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Speaker 3: Oh bank God, Nicole and Maria they finally made it.

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Speaker 2: Yay.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Nicole and Jimmy and of course Maria q Caine. You

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Speaker 3: get the whole name in there, Mom and daughter of course,

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Speaker 3: the stars of our Mother Knows Death podcast on the

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Speaker 3: Elvis Dran Podcast Network. May I'll just give give you

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Speaker 3: a little business by the way, sure in all of

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Speaker 3: our podcasts on our network, you guys are one of

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Speaker 3: the best. You guys are doing so well, you're killing it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of killing it, of your weekly podcast, of course,

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Speaker 3: focuses on pathology, forensics, death, and you don't do it

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Speaker 3: in an overly clinical way. You guys talk about all

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Speaker 3: these incredible fun subjects in a way we understand what

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Speaker 3: you're saying, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thanks. I feel like when I was in college, I

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm a high school drop well, so you

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Speaker 4: But that I feel like that that helps me explain

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Speaker 4: it to people better.

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Speaker 3: But both of you are I feel stupid after a moment.

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Speaker 3: I'll show you both because you both are so educated,

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Speaker 3: especially you know, hyper focusing on pathology. And it's just

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Speaker 3: don't you feel like you learned something every time you

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Speaker 3: hang out.

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Speaker 5: With them without a doubt. I mean, even if you

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Speaker 5: just follow them on Instagram or follow Mother Knows Death

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Speaker 5: and Missus and Jemmy on Instagram, you learned so much

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Speaker 5: about like mister diagnoses and all kinds of other things.

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Speaker 3: Well, God, you brought them to us first. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: had them on your podcast. What was it that was

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Speaker 3: oh my god? So you know we were gonna steal

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Speaker 5: I love women in science number one, so that is

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Speaker 5: always exciting to me. But this stories that they have,

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Speaker 5: especially Nicole about her time doing you know, pathology assistant

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Speaker 5: research and pulling things apart. And when she said, everything

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Speaker 3: So you would go in with all the pathology team,

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Speaker 4: Two different there's two different divisions of our job, which

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Speaker 4: All right, So this is what I would recommend you.

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Speaker 5: What could possibly go wrong?

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Speaker 4: Anytime you open the abdomen or the chest, your you

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Speaker 3: The kicked and died the certificate. I wanted to to say,

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Speaker 6: And she have their kids, right, like, this is the

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Speaker 4: increase of blood flow to the fingertips. That's causing their

443
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 4: fingernails to look weird.

444
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 3: But it is something talk about like look at my okay,

445
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 3: don't look at that one. A nail went thro that

446
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: fingernail to ignore that one.

447
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 4: Yours look fine. They look they look very specific. I

448
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 4: don't think anyone here if you had them, I would

449
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 4: be like, yo, she'll have telling you good, that's good,

450
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 4: save your life. Yeah I did. I will tell somebody

451
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 4: if I see something that I think is alarming and

452
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 4: she yells at me, because I'll just say something to

453
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 4: somebody at the.

454
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 5: Mall, say.

455
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 3: I told a strangers, hey, by the way, what will

456
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 3: you see on someone? Give it us An example of this.

457
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: Guy that was checking us out once he had this

458
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 4: this baker cyst. I saw that. I was just like,

459
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: oh yeah, baker systo.

460
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: It wasn't like that for every twenty buying the kids

461
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: clothes and she just goes baker cysts.

462
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 4: That develops and you know, like in your wrist there.

463
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 4: I just thought it was I do. I see people

464
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 4: all the time, and especially with the when I was

465
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 4: writing the book, I see such rare pathology sometimes that

466
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh God, I really just I'm not trying

467
00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: to be rude, like I will. I want them to

468
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 4: tell their story. And I feel like I feel like

469
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 4: I do that because a lot of times people look

470
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 4: really unusual and people are not nice to them, and

471
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 4: they stare at them and they and they're curious. But

472
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 4: people are just curious and they just want to know.

473
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 4: And I think the more you just talk about all

474
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 4: these different conditions that people could have and just it's normal,

475
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 4: they won't feel so isolated. You know.

476
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that, and I've I've been really interested

477
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 5: and I've talked to her about this before because she

478
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 5: sees all kinds of things. I said, is there something

479
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 5: that you would never allow your children to do because

480
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,239
Speaker 5: of what you see? The aftermath is when people come out.

481
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean there's lots of different things, Like some

482
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 4: parents are crazier than me as far as like the

483
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 4: trampoline park and stuff. I don't really care about that stuff,

484
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 4: but I do. There's been a lot of things with

485
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 4: rides recently of people getting killed on brides and I

486
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 4: do I let them do it, but thank god my

487
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 4: husband let them go in that big drop thing and

488
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 4: he took them and I was just like, thank god

489
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 4: I wasn't there because I feel like I might, I

490
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 4: might be kind of a drag, Like I don't let

491
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 4: them cross a big street in my town when every

492
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 4: other kid in my town is allowed across it. Like

493
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: I'm just like scared because my kids are you know,

494
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: kids say are real zoned out. They're just like and

495
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 4: people are drunk and drive or texting, yeah, and they'll

496
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 4: go right up on the sidewalk, And I'm just always

497
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 4: I'm really scared about that, Like I worry about it

498
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 4: a lot.

499
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 5: I remember you specifically saying motorcycles are an absolutely for you.

500
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 4: That's a no now. These e bikes, yeah, we're the

501
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 4: scooter rentals when we go travel and things. I'm like, no, now,

502
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 4: especially with no helmets. You were crazy and a lot

503
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 4: of I have friends all around the country that work

504
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 4: in emergency rooms and stuff, and just tell me, like,

505
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 4: we're seeing these people, especially in cities like Miami or

506
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: something that has them, like they're the emergency room and

507
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: trauma there are seeing them often just people that are

508
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 4: visiting that are going forty miles an hour on a scooter.

509
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: Like it's bad, you know, Puse there's no helmet laws there.

510
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 5: I don't think I don't think so either.

511
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: No, I see people in Miami ripping at one hundred

512
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: miles an hour on ninety five with no helmet on whatsoever. Yeah,

513
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: that's frightening.

514
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 4: Wow, honestly, like the helmet is not going to do anything.

515
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 4: Like if you're going slower, definitely, but if you're going

516
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 4: nine to miles an hour, I don't know that that's

517
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 4: saving your life. It's kind of a false sense of security.

518
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: Have you ever in your time in a pathology session?

519
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: What would you call that when you're actually doing the

520
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: autopsy right, Sorry, you actually get emotional and had to

521
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: leave the room, and you're thinking, if only this person

522
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: had made this different decision, they wouldn't be here right now.

523
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 3: Do you ever get that wound up with it? Or

524
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 3: do you just look at the body parts as body

525
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 3: parts and try to figure it out.

526
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I've had certain situations where I've gone home

527
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: and been maybe a little upset about something, but not

528
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 4: to the point where I couldn't do my job or

529
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: had to set aside, you know, Like, so you're heartless. Yeah,

530
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: that's exactly why I'm not a nurse, because I just

531
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 4: can turn it off pretty easy.

532
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 7: But don't you feel like you become numb because you

533
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 7: see so much of this.

534
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: No, it's I don't know that it really ever bothered me.

535
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 4: It's very it's very easy for me to disconnect from it.

536
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 4: And I feel like if I was too connected, it

537
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 4: would be I wasn't doing my job or something.

538
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: You know.

539
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's certain cases like we had a

540
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 4: guy that was that and this is just like a

541
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: kind of boring death. The guy at pneumonia, he was forty,

542
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 4: but then his wife had had made sure in his

543
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: body bag, like his Eagles hat was with them, and

544
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: I just like, you know, that makes it like more personal,

545
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh god, this guy was going to

546
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 4: watch the game this weekend and his and his wife

547
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: and he's my age, or you know, stuff like that.

548
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 4: And one time we got a colon in the lab

549
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 4: for Colon Cam. It was on a nineteen year old

550
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: girl and there was an obstruction. So that was not

551
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: what we were thinking at all, because nineteen year olds

552
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 4: just don't get colon cancer, right, And then we went

553
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: down to get coffee and we're and then the family

554
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 4: was in the coffee shop thinking like, she'll be at

555
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 4: a surgery soon. It's I'm sure it's not that big

556
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 4: of a deal, and I'm like thinking, no, she actually

557
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 4: has really like stage three cancer. I just looked at it,

558
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: you know, but I but I feel bad, and then

559
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: I just I don't know, like it you can't really

560
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 4: function in any I think if you talk to emergency

561
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 4: room doctors or anything, it's just like you know, my

562
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: you know, my husband's a firefighter. It's the same thing.

563
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 4: Like you can't sit there and feel bad right at

564
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 4: the moment, like you go home and you're just kind

565
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 4: of like, yeah, that was unfortunate.

566
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 5: So if you have advice for us how we stay alive?

567
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 5: What is it that we need to do that? You

568
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 5: see constantly people are messing up.

569
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: What mistake are we making? Over and over?

570
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 4: People aren't gonna want to hear this. But alcohol's terrible. Okay,

571
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 4: it's just terrible.

572
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 3: Well are you looking at me like that?

573
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: It's I feel like the as the most recent study

574
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 4: that there's no amount of alcohol that is is I

575
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: don't want to sound like like like a what's a

576
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: fun sucker from Debbie down? Yeah, like straight, yeah, I

577
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 4: mean in moderation everything, you know, besides crack or something.

578
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, there was so many, so many years I

579
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: would go by saying, you know what, you need to

580
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: have a glass of red wine every single day whatever.

581
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: But now the news studies are saying no, you should

582
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: have nothing with alcohol at all.

583
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: To say nothing is is just kind of It's like

584
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: the same theory I have with taking YouTube away from

585
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: my kids, like if I take it one hundred percent

586
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: away from them, that it's just gonna make them want

587
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 4: it more. Kind of. So I think people can do

588
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: it once in a while, but just a lot of

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: people drink and multiple days a week, multiple drinks and

590
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: think that they're not an alcoholic, when in fact that

591
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: would be the definition. So and then that's when I

592
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: mean the social and the and the brain damage you're

593
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 4: doing is one thing. I'm just talking about damage to

594
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: the body itself, because it not only damages your liver,

595
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 4: could damage your heart. And and then of course smoking

596
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 4: is the worst thing that was ever introduced to our

597
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: society ever for health purposes.

598
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 5: It's all the fun stuff, the smoking, the drinking. Are

599
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 5: you gonna say sugar, No, I mean moderate.

600
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 4: I don't know moderation. I don't want to be like

601
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: that because like please like look at me, like I

602
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: eat a lot of sugar, you know, like, I'm not.

603
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: I'm not like trying to. I don't drink, though, I'm

604
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 4: kind of I'm not. I've seen enough. I used to

605
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: do liver the liver transplants or the explants, which is

606
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: the bad liver that they took out of someone before

607
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 4: they put the new liver in. And I just saw

608
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: a lot of it and it was enough to you know,

609
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: scare you. Yeah, wow, No to self, you need and

610
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: you don't want to have to ever get a liver

611
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: transplant if you don't need one, it's it's like really

612
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: life changing, altering surgery.

613
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: You know.

614
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 5: So I don't want anything if I don't have to

615
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 5: get it taken out or put in exactly good.

616
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: So, So coming up on some future podcasts, I know

617
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: you have no memory whatsoever. Maybe it's a lack of alcohol,

618
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: too much sugar, I don't know. Do you have any

619
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: podcast topics coming up that you are just excited to

620
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: push play on and let the world here.

621
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: Yes, we are interviewing the prosecutor from the Golden State

622
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: killer case, and that's one of my favorite true crime cases.

623
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: Talk about it.

624
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: Do you know about this crime at all a little bit?

625
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: But I'm nowhere near as much as you know obviously.

626
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: So these crimes took place in California back in the seventies.

627
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: For a very long time, they believed it was three

628
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: different perpetrators. So one was just a man burglarizing houses,

629
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: the second was somebody committing sexual assault, and the third

630
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: was a murderer. And through all these years they were

631
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: able to tie them to one person.

632
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: Really through the.

633
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: Help of Pat and Oswald's former wife, Michelle McNamara.

634
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

635
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: So she really helped reopen that case and get some

636
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: traction behind it, and she unfortunately passed away before they

637
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: found the killer. But just in twenty eighteen, I believe

638
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: they were able to take DNA from a rape kit

639
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: and they found the man and he was in his

640
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: seventies living with his daughter and they arrested him. So

641
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: that was kind of a groundbreaking case for forensics using

642
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: DNA in that type of way, and we were very

643
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: fortunate to have the prosecutor coming on our show.

644
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 5: Wow, it's exciting.

645
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So next time Nate's out murdering someone, give him

646
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: a little tip, what like what are they leaving behind?

647
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: And maybe not your specialty, but I'm sure maybe you've

648
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: seen as far as evidence on a body. What are

649
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: we leaving behind that's gonna get us thrown in prison?

650
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: Hair is number one? And then in the Idaho murder's case,

651
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: he left behind a fingerprint on the knight's sheath. They

652
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: were able to extract DNA from that.

653
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 4: What else are people leaving?

654
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: But you know, people think they're just such good criminals,

655
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: and you would think they would get better over time

656
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: with all the access to internet and these stories we have,

657
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: but they're just getting worse.

658
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: Sloppy, sloppy work, Nate.

659
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'll do better next time.

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Speaker 5: Curely any DNA left behind, bad idea. Well has matt

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Speaker 5: suits to kill people's This is.

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Speaker 4: Why they say if you ever get attacked or anything,

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Speaker 4: to make sure that you scratch the you know them,

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Speaker 4: to get DNA because that can really that's really gonna

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Speaker 4: be the way to really catch anyone for sure, because

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Speaker 4: a lot of stuff is circumstantial and you don't want

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Speaker 4: somebody getting off you know who else? Oh we have

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Speaker 4: So do you remember Gabby Petito case?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I'm interviewing her stepfather this week and that

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Speaker 4: will be on next next week. We're doing that, Yeah, so,

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Speaker 4: and he's awesome. Jim Schmidt. So he's also a fireman,

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Speaker 4: so we have this like connection to talk about things,

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Speaker 4: and so he's we're going to really just talk about

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Speaker 4: that case and just all of the trauma their family

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Speaker 4: has been through a lot of it. I haven't heard

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Speaker 4: really on the news or that perspective, So I'm looking

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Speaker 4: forward to that the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Mother Knows Death, of course Mom and Daughter.

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Speaker 3: It makes sense to me. You guys are always so

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Speaker 3: interesting when you come see us. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: all day. Thank you. We didn't get as gross in

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Speaker 3: ichy this time.

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Speaker 5: There's still time.

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Speaker 3: Well, ask a Nike question, a question. What's the ichiest

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Speaker 3: thing you've been studying lately?

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Speaker 4: What did you just see on my instagram?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, on the instagram, the first thing you see.

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Speaker 5: Is it was the word smegma, which we're not sure

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Speaker 5: if it's smegma or smegma, but there was a what

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Speaker 5: was a hairball amegma covered hairball that you were covered someone.

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Speaker 4: Covering someone's i U D That was removed so when

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Speaker 4: they so. An i U D is an inner uterine

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Speaker 4: device that is put up inside of the uterus as

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Speaker 4: a birth control and it has little strings that hang

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Speaker 4: off of it. Like little plastic sutures that hang off

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Speaker 4: of it, so it could be pulled out if it

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Speaker 4: needs to. It's also really important that that thing stays

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Speaker 4: in place because that's considered a foreign body, and they

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Speaker 4: like to your body likes to attack it, and it does.

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Speaker 4: It recognizes is it foreign, and it pushes it. So

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Speaker 4: it could go through your uterus, it could go into

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Speaker 4: your colon. It can move. I had a case on

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Speaker 4: my website, the Gross Room that it moved out someone's

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Speaker 4: as well, like they found it in their as Yes,

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Speaker 4: so they can push through. So those strings hanging in

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Speaker 4: someone's vagina, anyone that's ever had an I U D.

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Speaker 4: They I guess that's why it extra gross them out

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Speaker 4: because there was a hairball stuck to it. So you think, well,

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Speaker 4: how did hair get up there all the way up?

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Speaker 3: How did it get up there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we understand the Smegma part.

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Speaker 3: Central intercourse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would. I would say yes, through through sex.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you have hair around the hole, it's

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Speaker 4: found to get off there, is it? I mean, I

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I would just like one one.

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Speaker 5: Together, fascinating.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 5: There's so much good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Nicole and Maria, thank you so much for coming in today.

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Speaker 3: The podcast, of course, Mother Knows Death, a part of

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Speaker 3: the Elvis DRAN podcast network and doing brilliantly.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Elvis da Ran after party

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Speaker 4: MHM