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Speaker 1: to be anywhere near a school. Well do you have children? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Talking to Travis Schwartz who goes by

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Speaker 1: Hank Patterson. Do you know what? I want to get

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Speaker 1: to her? But I was driving a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: for those listening. You were not far from Craters of

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Speaker 1: the Moon, National Moon. We're not far from that. That

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Speaker 1: the Moon. Yes, yeah, congratulations. Yeah, I'm I'm big in

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Speaker 1: lunch twice. Jannis, thank you? Okay, great, good stuff, really nice,

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Speaker 1: you explain where you end? And Hank Patterson begins, what

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Speaker 1: is Hank Patterson? Who is Hank Patterson? It takes us

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Speaker 1: want with the back I want the backstory though. How

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Speaker 1: many people do you guys take? How many people does

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Speaker 1: do you guys take out his end of life people

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Speaker 1: some of them? Yeah, yeah for sure. So thirty two

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Speaker 1: makes you feel like, you should probably like go be

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00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: a banker or an accountant or something, because that's that's terrible.

426
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: But then then I've gone out the probably yeah, I know,

427
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 1: they don't. The problem is though, that you then go

428
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: out with guides who have clients with them, and you

429
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: realize it's all the client's fault. It's typically the client's

430
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: fault there to blame. And I'm on the guide side.

431
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: The general public is they're horrible. They can't I mean,

432
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: the general public can't be trusted to be seated and

433
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: at Applebee's an order confidently let alone go out on

434
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: a drift boat. Have never cast a fly line in

435
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: their lives and expect them to act like nice or

436
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,479
Speaker 1: well or anything. So I don't if you had to rate, uh,

437
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: do an honest job with this, If you had to

438
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: rate yourself on a sliding scale of one, to ten

439
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: as an angler, where would you put yourself six? You're six. Yeah,

440
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: that's a good answer because you can't really say much

441
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: higher that because you look bad. Said a nine, I'd

442
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: be like, come on, well, I'll say this. I would

443
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: maybe rate myself higher if we include sort of everybody

444
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: the fly fishing, right, I mean, because there are a

445
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: lot of general public. I mean I'm talking about the

446
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: guys that everyone who everybody that Yeah, well you have

447
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: the guys that go out twice a year with a

448
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: guide and they've got, you know, ten thousand dollars worth

449
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: of equipment, and they're going to drop all the money

450
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: in the world on this guide, and they're gonna fly

451
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: in and they're going to expect to be put on fish,

452
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: and they're going to call themselves a fly fisher. And

453
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: they know absolutely nothing about fly fishing. They learned just

454
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: enough to where they can kind of cast a little bit,

455
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: and the guide knows because he wants a good tip

456
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: of you know, sort of where the easiest fish to

457
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: catch our for this guy's inability to cast and get

458
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: a good drift. And so these guys are you know,

459
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: probably at a two. And so if we mix all

460
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: of them in I'm a six and a half all

461
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: day long. Yeah. Yeah, but if we're talking about like

462
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: really good anglers, we're talking about April Bokey earlier, like

463
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: if she's at ten, then I'm pushing it to call

464
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: myself a six. Yeah, I'm with you, Steve. I want

465
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: to know where would you rate yourself? Yeah, as an angler,

466
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: but I'm involved the two kinds of angland. No, no, no, no,

467
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Well can we just say fly fishing or are we

468
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: just talking about angling? Because if we're talking about angling

469
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: as a whole bass gear, the whole thing, and I'm

470
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: definitely a three as a generalist. Yeah, I'm not gonna

471
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable rating myself as a generalist angler. I'll

472
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: just do the one. I'll just do like he did. Six. Yeah,

473
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: because you don't look like slightly better than average. Yeah,

474
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: you don't look cocky, you don't look like you're under

475
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: you don't like you're trying to be like false false.

476
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: The bar is lower for the generalist angler or guys,

477
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: higher for the general's angle. Yeah, I'm with Steve on this.

478
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: You got to know general everything, right, but so that

479
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: so that the general bar that you would have to

480
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: be better than it's probably lower because I don't think

481
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: there are out there that actually are that great of

482
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: generalist anglers. As there's a lot of guys that can

483
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: just crush it out here on the Yellowstone and you

484
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: go ask them to go catch a catfish in the

485
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: nearest reservoir, I wouldn't know where to start, Okay, so

486
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: they put it. But you know what I mean, No,

487
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: I know exactly me because when I think of a

488
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: generalist angler, um like, for instance, uh, offshore right, no clue,

489
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: I have no clue. Uh, I know what you're saying.

490
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: Like the guy that just can go to the same

491
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: stretch of river when it's good and just catch a

492
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: bunch of fish. I'm never interesting that guy or that

493
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: knows how to fish some lake real well for some

494
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: specific thing like that's great, I'm glad for you, like

495
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: I hope you have a good time. But in talking

496
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: about like, is that where I would aspire to be

497
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: as a fisherman. As a fisherman in my in my mind,

498
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: if someone asked me like to articulate what is a

499
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: great fisherman, in my mind, it would be someone who

500
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: can just no matter where you put them. And there

501
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: are guys like this. No matter where you put them,

502
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna catch fish. Right. They just understand fish. They

503
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: can figure anything out. You can send them to a

504
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: state they've never been to the river, they've never been

505
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: to fish they've never seen before, and at the end

506
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: of the day, they're catching fish that in my mind, that,

507
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: in my mind is a great angler. I'm a seven.

508
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: I already thought I thought. I'm sitting here listening, I'm

509
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: thinking I could. I could probably catch that catfish offshore.

510
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 1: Not a problem. I'm I'm a seven and a half. Easy.

511
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: The more the more you talk, the better I get.

512
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: Can you tie a Baminy twist? Yeah? Oh yeah, sure, yeah.

513
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: If we had the baminy materials here right now, I'd

514
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: do it, do it right now. Let me ask you this, Yeah,

515
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: I sense do you You don't fish, You haven't fished

516
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: with guides. You feel, but you have a little bit

517
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: of h you feel. It's not as it's it's not

518
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: as like if you're gonna make a fishing purity scale, Yeah,

519
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: what should be an interesting exercise. You're gonna make a

520
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: fishing purity scale. I'm gonna get in trouble here, is gonnaasy, No,

521
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: I I don't. I think that's that's a very subjective

522
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: area to go. But let's let's let's move on. Let's

523
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: se where this going. I didn't say, like if the

524
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: universe were to come up with you were fair enough?

525
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah you me, you, Miles, settle Down, Hank Travis, Yeah, Sam?

526
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Have you guided a little bit? Not like professionally full

527
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: time but under the table? No? No, No. The question

528
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: wasn't so you taught? Somebody had a fish? Have you guided?

529
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: Did at the end of this I paid to teach people? Okay,

530
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: well what did you get a tip? Yeah? You guided?

531
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Did you get drunk while you did it? Yeah? If

532
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna make depending on which time, if you were

533
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: going to make a fish purity scale, right, I sense

534
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: that you would have major deductions for guided expedition. No, no, no, no, no,

535
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: So okay, let's back up, which is cool with me.

536
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't care, no, no, I'm just talking about a

537
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: specific breed of human being that considers themselves at ten

538
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: because they go out twice a year and have somebody

539
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: show them exactly what that doesn't go and figure it out.

540
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: That can only figure it out if somebody else figures

541
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: it out for them. Holds their hand and does it.

542
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: People ask me all the time, it's like, how, what's

543
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: the best way to get into fly fishing? Hire a guide.

544
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: Don't have your spouse teach, you don't have your girlfriend teach,

545
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: you don't have hire a guide. Go out, hire a guide,

546
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: take some classes. This is how, because your girlfriend's gonna

547
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: yell at you. Well. Yeah, And if you're anything like me,

548
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: it's like if if my daughters wanted to learn to

549
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: fly fish, and they don't, but if they did, I know,

550
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: can you hold that thought for a minute. Yeah, I

551
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: gotta really come back to that. Yeah, yeah, hold that thought, John, Yeah,

552
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: come back. They do not fish. They have like zero interest.

553
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. I'm real disappointed in your girls.

554
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I I and I am. I don't tell

555
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: them every single day. And and that's it goes back

556
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: to me talking about you know, were you disappointed when

557
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: they moved out? Hell? No, they don't fish. They're on

558
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: their own. I've cut them loose. They're not you know,

559
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: getting their college paid for nothing. It's all. They're cut

560
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: off until they learn how to fish. When they want

561
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: to learn how to fish, they're gonna need to hire

562
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: a guide. It's the same thing as like, why wouldn't

563
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: you teach them how to fish? I'm like, I didn't

564
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: teach them how to drive because I don't want a

565
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: situation where I want to punch one of my daughters.

566
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: That's why I don't want to teach them how to fish.

567
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: That you shouldn't teach your children how to fish. Have

568
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: somebody else teach them, have them get them to a

569
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: certain point where you can actually go out and have

570
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: a good time. Driving is the same sort of thing.

571
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: So I never I never taught them. If if people

572
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: want to learn how to fly fish, hire a guide,

573
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: and if you're going to go to New Water, you

574
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: could not spend better money than to hire a guide.

575
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: If you're gonna go fish the Blackfoot. I'm not I'm

576
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: not declaring legit giving advice right now. My advice is

577
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: if you're going to go fish, like some rivers like,

578
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: say you're gonna go and fish the Blackfoot or the

579
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: clark Fork or the yellow don't whatever, and you're gonna

580
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: be there for five days, money well spent on day one,

581
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: have a guide, get all the information you can out

582
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: of that guide, and then if you want to go

583
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: it alone from there then go it alone. But do

584
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: you feel like a real h Do you feel like

585
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: a real prick the next day when you're standing there

586
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: and there he is with today's client and you're standing

587
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: there angling away? What? Yeah, what is the etiquette there?

588
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: Shouldn't go to a spot that's not true because you

589
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: paid him once there's an exchange of money. Well, yeah,

590
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 1: I mean I understand, I've heard you made that, make

591
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: that point before, never made that point before. I'm going

592
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: back to the spot. I gotta hear this because if

593
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm going back, I mean, it depends. We discussed it, sorry,

594
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: when we discussed it over outfitting hunters in the same

595
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: ethical conundrum. Okay, what did I say that time? Same

596
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: thing I'm saying now, Yeah, that's consistency. I'm on your side,

597
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: by the way for this thing, because I think, I think,

598
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: I think, I think, man to man, it's like if

599
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: if yeah, I mean I think that that would be

600
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: kind of a betrayal of the guide's trust to be

601
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: in in his hole the next day. I mean, if

602
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: he if he saw you there, he's probably gonna be like,

603
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: oh man, come on, really, here's the thing though. I mean,

604
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna hopefully if you hired a guide, you're gonna

605
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: not fish a hole, You're gonna fish a stretch of water,

606
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: and you you should certainly go back to that stretch

607
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: water with the knowledge that you now paid to have. Now,

608
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: now that being said situation, because there is a significant

609
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: issue with offshore guides and flats Guides with clients who

610
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: pay them for a day, go out and have a

611
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: GPS in their pocket hidden marking way points on all

612
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: the spots that they fish, so they can then go

613
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: and hit those spots subsequently with their buddies. And this

614
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: is this is not just frowned upon. This is like

615
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: fighting behavior people. People have had boats set a light

616
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: over this kind of like this is some Tom mcgwain

617
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: type type ship that happens over this. Well, this is

618
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: new topic for me. It gets I'm just throwing this

619
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: out there. I wouldn't do it personally. I wouldn't like

620
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: the way it made me feel. But let's say I

621
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: was commander of the universe. Okay, I'm command of the universe.

622
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm listening and and I uh and and and the

623
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: only punishment I give out is execution anything anyone guilty

624
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: of any infraction. It's execution and you come to me

625
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: and a guide's like, I say, a confession and he

626
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: paid me a bunch of money and the next day, uh,

627
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: he went to the spot. I would have a hard

628
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: time executing that person. Now, if you said, is it

629
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: a killable offense? No, probably not. Well that's all all right, yeah,

630
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's if that's our borrow like off

631
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: with his head or as you were when when you

632
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: were when you're commander Steve works. When you're taking the

633
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: client out, I mean, how clear have you been? Have

634
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: you educated them on the fact that, hey, look, I'm

635
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: going to take you to some spots that I don't

636
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: want you to come back to on your own without me.

637
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: Are you asking me like my own personal history? If

638
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: a guide were to say that to me and say, hey,

639
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: look we're gonna go down this, you know, and I

640
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: would appreciate that you don't come back here. Now, I

641
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: think if flats and there's there's just different scenarios. It

642
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who cares how deep the water is. Yeah,

643
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, because if you start, if you like

644
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: water being shallow, water off limits, but that deep all ahead.

645
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: But look, if you floated a section of the Yellowstone.

646
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all fair game at that point because

647
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: you've floated whatever six to ten miles and you pulled

648
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: over in a dozen different holes. Like nobody can say

649
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: anything at that point. But I feel like on a

650
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: way trip when you might have just fished a hole

651
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: or two. Oh yeah, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm

652
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: gonna make this even a little more complicated because the

653
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: when I float such stretch of water, the way I

654
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: prefer to do it, rather than just like doing the

655
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: boat jockey thing and be like no switch sudes, no

656
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: switch sudes. I like to stop and actually fish holes

657
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: with clients. So certain clients I have told, Hey, this

658
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: spot we're coming up to up here, you can get

659
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: there by foot, you know, if you want to come,

660
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: do this on your own. Cool. I do ask that

661
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: you don't bring all your buddies. I have definitely done

662
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: that in my guide career before. Why don't you guys, uh,

663
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: why don't you guys come out with some little sheet

664
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: of paper. Yeah it wouldn't be like enforceable, but just

665
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: some little sheet of paper that expresses your where you

666
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: what you feel about. Because I think that you're asking

667
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: a lot of something like, listen, Okay, I did a

668
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 1: I fished with the guide. Recently, we went to St. Martin.

669
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: I had to go to St. Martin for two days

670
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: for a birthday party, very special birthday party for a

671
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: very special friend. M and me and some other dudes

672
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: that were there wanted to go fish and we hired

673
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: a guy to go for a half day of fishing. Now,

674
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: we just kind of wandered around looking yea the half

675
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: day man, I'm trying to stay married, right, I got you. Now. Uh,

676
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: we go out and just walk the shore looking first off,

677
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: working bait and cast and I was one thing. I

678
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, I had no idea was this. It's

679
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: this easy that could have done in your mind in

680
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: your mind. Does that then mean that I should refrain

681
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: from fishing because he introduced me to the idea of

682
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: walking down the beach looking for bait. Yeah, but he

683
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: he selected that particular shoreline and if you were back

684
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: there at the next he might have other clients there.

685
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: And if you were on the beach in front of him,

686
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: I feel like that affects his ability to do his

687
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: job with the next group of clients would be very awkward.

688
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: But where whereas the yellow stone floating as a stretch,

689
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: and you're not really getting in anybody's way because there's

690
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna be lots of other people there, but that particular

691
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: shoreline he probably walked it because it's good, and he

692
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: probably takes people there pretty regularly. I'm gonna I'm gonna

693
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: throw this out in a different way because here's what

694
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: I if. It's not that I've gotten to do this

695
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: very often, but the few times that I have gone

696
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: somewhere like your suggesting, Travis, and like I'm a fish

697
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: here for a few days, I'm going to hire a guide.

698
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: For the first day, I will have an explicit conversation say, hey, listen,

699
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: I'm here for X number of days. I'm hoping to

700
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: fish throughout those days. Is the only day that I'm

701
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: going to be guided. So one, I'd love to have

702
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: a good time and learn something about your fishery. And two,

703
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: could you please give me some suggestions on places I

704
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: might go fishing? Done that too, and also in doing

705
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: your idea which I love throw out there. I'll never

706
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: come back here. I'll never be back again. Like chances are, yeah,

707
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: my wife's the home. She's sick, she's got sick from

708
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: the water. I'm not coming back here. I'll never be

709
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: back to start your day like that. I just want

710
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: to start by saying, you will never see me again.

711
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: This is the last time you're ever gonna see me.

712
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 1: Unless you stumble upon me fishing this water, you're gonna

713
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: see me at that point. HAYK Patterson's take on this

714
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: entire thing, if I could just jump into that, would

715
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: be that you're going to sign that piece of paper

716
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: and it's in perpetuity, and now I'm gonna take you.

717
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you a stretch of water, right and

718
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: now every time you fish that stretch of water, you

719
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: don't have to pay the full price, but you are

720
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: going to pay me fifty dollars in perpetuity. And this

721
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: is gonna go for the rest of your life. So

722
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. And by the way,

723
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: every single fly that I put on your line that

724
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: works is now a dollar. It's a dollar to me

725
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: every time you buy that flock. So if I tie

726
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: on a Royal Wolf, every time you buy a Royal

727
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: Wolf at whatever fly shop across the country, you now

728
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: owe me a dollar for having introduced you to that

729
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: specific fly. And I think that takes care of the

730
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: problem right there, because now eventually just kick on commissions exactly. Yeah, yeah,

731
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: you're so all those flats guys and everything, and I

732
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: have not gone out and then fished with them, but

733
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: I've word on the street is they're all piste off.

734
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: And so now these guys, you know, you do it

735
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: for like three years, you take out enough people and

736
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: you get, you know, a legal document signed where in perpetuity,

737
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: if they ever want to fish in the state of

738
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: Florida again within a hundred yards or a hundred miles

739
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: of where you took help, if they want to fish

740
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: that side of Florida ever, again, it's a hundred dollars

741
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: to you. And I think you get the states involved,

742
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: and I I think this is an enforceable thing. And

743
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: then if you don't want to sign that paper, then

744
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: you know you then it's a fifteen thousand dollar day

745
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: rate or good luck. Yeah, I mean, do you want

746
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: to catch fish? Sign the document? What's your take on

747
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: because I think one of the funniest pieces of years

748
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: is it's funny. I had always liked this but didn't

749
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: even put it together because I liked it a long

750
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: time ago, and then I started watching all this stuff

751
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: you do, and I was like, oh my god, that's

752
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: the guy who did the UM. The two dudes on

753
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: the bank who are trying to find out they're very

754
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: they're they're confused by catching release. Yea, that is by

755
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: far the most popular video I ever made. It's not

756
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: even close, and it was very unexpected. Remember I do remember, no,

757
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't, it's Hank in the bait Fishers, and so

758
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: they're it's probably like a fifteen I don't. It's probably

759
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: ten or twelve minutes. All my videos are longer than

760
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: they say they should be. UM. But I at the

761
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: beginning of that episode, I'm talking. I'm asking the guys

762
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: why they're here, why are you here? And one of

763
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: them says, I guess I've always been a little fly curious.

764
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: And when I wrote that, and every episode I always

765
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: try to write, like what are people going to quote

766
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: back at me? And I thought, this fly curious thing

767
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: is going to be gold, and I mean it was.

768
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: But then it goes into the catching me Hank explaining

769
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: the process of catching release and he's like so and

770
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: then you release it into a cooler no, back into

771
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: the water, and then they start talking about like, well

772
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: if you're not going to catch them to eat them.

773
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: Aren't you just torturing fish? Which is a you know,

774
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: pretty solid question. Really before what happened was somebody went

775
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: to YouTube and they grabbed that part of my video.

776
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: They took the rest of it out, and it got

777
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: like forty million views. And I'm like, also that you

778
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: you're explaining, Hank Patters is explaining if you let him go,

779
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: then someone can catch them again. Yeah. And you guys like, oh,

780
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: so you're fattening them up. Yeah, we're just trying to

781
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: wrap their heads around. Okay, so you let them go

782
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: to fatten them up so that then you can keep

783
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: them at a later date. Okay, shrewd. Shrewd sounds like

784
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: the conversation we have around this office a lot. Yeah,

785
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: it's uh. Well, and then that one then I had

786
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: the same group of guys out, uh, and we did

787
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: a follow up, like and I think my imagination went wild,

788
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: and I named it Hanking the bait Fishers Part two. Uh.

789
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: And in this one, I'm explaining what is a fly?

790
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: Because you've got the square of me worm and you've

791
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: got I mean streamers, and you've that that that one

792
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: raises some really interesting points it really it's it's a

793
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: great question because when you're finishing with a rappola, it

794
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: has a feather on it, so it's a fly route,

795
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: so that's a fly? Or makes it a fly? When

796
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: it's not a fly? What does make it a fly?

797
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: Do you guys know? I have no idea. This is

798
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: a longstanding shift. I call this a perfect example of

799
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: a shifting baseline. Like if you think about the concept

800
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: of the shifting the baseline of what counts as fly

801
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: fishing or a fly you can go way back. You know,

802
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: if you want to go several hundred years back into England,

803
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't count. Some people would say, well, if you're

804
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: not fishing downstream, it's not fly fishing. Those guys who

805
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: go who cast upstream, they're not fly fisherman, they're not

806
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: of our stature. Okay, I want to really, I want

807
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: to really explore this, but I don't understand. I feel

808
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I could understand anything you say about this,

809
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: but I don't understand that one. So there there too,

810
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: they think you should be like, you can't cast up No, literally,

811
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: you cannot cast upstream, like even above parallel with yourself.

812
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: In certain styles of traditional fly fish, and there are

813
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: streams where that's codified like it is all you will

814
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: get rolling off the stream if you cast up river.

815
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: Give me the perspective, Um, I want you to role play.

816
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: Role play, that's gonna be good. You give me the

817
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: perspective of the guy. Yeah, with an English or Scottish accent.

818
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: That's not gonna work. The guy doesn't think you should

819
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: cast kind of upstream British accent, right right, right, Well,

820
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna do that. Um. I think

821
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: the issue always when I have to do one, I

822
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: always go to things I learned from Pink Floyd album.

823
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: Every time you go to you with whatever brick in

824
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: the wall part three. If you don't, um, I cannot.

825
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna blow this because I really don't

826
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: know the exact I don't know your question, but I

827
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: think what it is is that there was a belief

828
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: that casting upstream was essentially like cheating, because if your

829
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: fly is just drifting down the current, then you know

830
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: the fish is just gonna stream. That's easy. It's harder

831
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: to get up above him, but to have to cast

832
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: across and and swing your fly in front of the

833
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: fish and get him eat now that requires real skill

834
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: and angling prowess. Okay, I'll buy that. So again, I

835
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: will not buy that, because there's anytime I want to

836
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: get a guy out that has never fly fished, the

837
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: first thing I do is I find a rising fish.

838
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I put him upstream of it so he can just

839
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: like basically pull out some line, doesn't cast it, just

840
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: chuck it in there, down struck it and float it

841
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: down to him. I'm not saying this theory is right.

842
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm just that's that's it. I hadn't even thought of that.

843
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: I feel like if you said to me, you can

844
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: spend your whole life casting upstream or downstream, and your

845
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: goal in life is to catch as many fish as possible,

846
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: I would pick downstream. I would too, Yeah, me too,

847
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: no question. So I could see having a river. What

848
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: a snooty English guy who says you can only cast them?

849
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: Oh they do? Yep, there are that argument out to me.

850
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: I think you just did, right, I mean, but like

851
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: they're the point being that there are these these totally

852
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: arbitrary divisions that have been created within and it's I mean,

853
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: I think fly fishing is particularly guilty of this, and

854
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: it's part of why it's so much fun to make

855
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: fun of it. I think this is what puts the

856
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: joy in it, these arguments, That's that's what puts all

857
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: the joy and going out fly fishing, just having somebody

858
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: tell you what you're doing wrong, wrong, But I mean

859
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: were wrong, you're casting it wrong, now wrong, draft downstream.

860
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, not a fly, that's what we're talking about.

861
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: Tell me what a fly is? Yeah, I mean here,

862
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: here's here's what. I don't want to see one. I

863
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: don't want to see one, but I can't if I

864
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: had to write, like if the folks over at Webster's

865
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: or Miriam's said like, hey, we're trying to find someone

866
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: to craft the definition of a fly, um and we

867
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: were we're tasking you with the chore, I would have

868
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: a very difficult time. I've come to the conclusion I

869
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: don't want to see it any any artificial thing that

870
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: you use with a fly rod. That's just what I've

871
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: come to. But it's real feathers. But well you have

872
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: to have a feather. Well I'm not always but fly

873
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: fishing could be a bead, you know. Fly fishing could

874
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: be the squirmy wormy. Fly fishing could be a mop fly.

875
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: They're now going to home depot buying mops, lopping a

876
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: chunk of that off, tying it on a hook, and

877
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: this is now a fly and that's meant to replicate

878
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: rotten flesh. I don't know what it do? You know

879
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: what that reply? Like a maggot or something like that,

880
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: and why are you fishing in maggoty water? It really

881
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: brings that Looking at me on this, I actually I'm

882
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: looking at you because I'm like, it's going down to

883
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: the home depot and pulling this crap out right. I mean,

884
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,479
Speaker 1: you were a fishing guide, right for many many years,

885
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: so you would not have been too proud to tie

886
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: a mop and bober on a guy's line. God no,

887
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: I just have an anything that credit card his pocket.

888
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it would be that

889
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: I'm doing your guys job for you. Wouldn't it be like, uh,

890
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: whatever hooked device or whatever that is delivered not by

891
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: its own weight, what was delivered by the weight of

892
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: the line. I think, I think that that gets at it.

893
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: But then you know, there's another situation and I'll make

894
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: a plug for content on the Mediator website because we

895
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: were just we're just about to publish a piece from

896
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: our own Brodie Henderson discussing this this very thing and

897
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: um and one he brought in was a buddy of

898
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: his who is not a good fisherman, went down to

899
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: the name, didn't didn't name him by name, went down

900
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: to the Florida Keys and caught a couple of permit

901
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: and a couple of bone fish in a place that's

902
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: known for being extremely difficult to catch either those species.

903
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: They found out later the guide had been soaking the

904
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: fly in ground up crab and clam juice and shrimp

905
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: and and so that feels like a departure, but you

906
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: know it's still delivered through the mechanism of a of

907
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: the weighted line and a light fly. But is that

908
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: fly fishing? And it might might even be a fly

909
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: with feathers, but that's not exactly what's getting it done

910
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: in that situation. So you feel, yeah, I don't want

911
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: to blabor the point here, but uh, you feel that orderless,

912
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: that olderless would be something that you would throw into

913
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: the working definition. I'm I'm not I'm not taking a

914
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: side on it, No, No, I'm just curious. Yeah, I

915
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: feel like that's a just a choice I would probably

916
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: not make to do that, But did you cast an

917
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: odorless fly into a chump slick? Well? And you know,

918
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: and I went, uh shark mako shark fishing off San

919
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: Diego one. I'm on a flat quote unquote fly fishing

920
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: trip and the only cast I made all day was

921
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: just to feel out a sixteen weight fly rod. But

922
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: that's all we did is sit there all day looking

923
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: at chump's leg. But that's like how you raise those

924
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: makos up to be able to make a four ft

925
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: cast while it circles the boat trying to eat you. Um,

926
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: So I mean I've I've done that. I didn't have

927
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: a problem with it. We didn't end up seeing any

928
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: MACHOs um, which I really wanted to see one. And

929
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: I would have that one tire fly that emits noise, Yes,

930
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: so that's rat well like like a rattle in it. Yeah,

931
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: but not like video about this. You're comfortable with that,

932
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm putting you. You're in a little bit of a

933
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: devil's advocate position. Okay, yeah, I'll play a devil's advocate.

934
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable with noise. So you're comfortable deceiving the fish visually,

935
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: you're comfortable deceiving the fish orally and I don't mean

936
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: a O R, but a you are using it right, Yeah,

937
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: how because I only don't want to deceive it or

938
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: you actually are disgusting. So you're gonna and you're gonna trick,

939
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: but you're not comfortable deceiving it fatally factoral sense, I'm

940
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: not comfortable with it. That's where you draw a line.

941
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: But but but hell, I mean but and and and

942
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: to echo Browdie's point that I definitely resonated with, is like,

943
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: at that point, just throwing a shrimp. I don't have

944
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: a problem with bait fishing. Yeah, I know we're not

945
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: getting into you think he did something bad, But I'm

946
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: just saying, like you get into like what your personal

947
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: terms are. Yeah, I think I think through the fly

948
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: cast that becomes the far problem. Well, I'm saying with

949
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: a spin rod. But yeah, I feel I feel like

950
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: at that point you're not really fly fishing. But because

951
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: you're not deceiving the fish through the action of the

952
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: fly itself, they're grabbing it because it smells good. And

953
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: so I feel like that is a that is a

954
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 1: fairly clear departure from what fly fishing is my mind.

955
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: Give me the Hank Patterson take on this. I'm gonna

956
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: add ham juice to my floating. I'm going home. I'm

957
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: adding ham juice to my floating. That's all there is

958
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, I I I don't you know. I mean,

959
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: Hank would absolutely dip the fly in and he smelly whatever,

960
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: but he would threaten your life while doing it. He'd

961
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna dip this in this ham juice,

962
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: and if you ever say anything at all, I will

963
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: kill you. I will track you down and I will

964
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: kill you. I will start with your parents. I will

965
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: start with your children. You will die. But he would

966
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: he would do it as long as it was a secret. Yeah,

967
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: so that guy. So what's so the real crime of

968
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: what this guy did, as far as dipping is tell anybody.

969
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the crime. It sounds like all the

970
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: makings right he got. I assume he got a picture

971
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: of himself with the fish, with the fly, and it's

972
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: that's all you had. And then all somebody snitched, somebody

973
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: spoke up. This guy let the cat out of the bag.

974
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 1: So I'd say I let him fry. Let him fry

975
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: for not being able to be quiet about it. But

976
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: I have no problem with him dipping it in ham

977
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: juice or whatever it was, shrimp juice, but yeah, crab juice.

978
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the like central reasons

979
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: why fly angling gets of well deserved bad rap is

980
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: arguments just like this. This is my next question. Well,

981
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to preempty. I'm I'm gonna continue again like

982
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: this that do Yeah, I think I think they're probably

983
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: people listening right now going like Jesus Christ, why who cares?

984
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: Like what? What? What does any of this matter? And

985
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: then the truth that I do, Yes, I do. I

986
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: absolutely think about the topic about what wait what know?

987
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: The like this concept of purity like it started with

988
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: this idea of the purity scale, which to me gets

989
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: at this assumption that there are greater and lesser ways

990
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: of catching fish. And I think that fly anglers often

991
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: get pigeonholed as being those guys who judge the way

992
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: that other people fish as lesser than themselves because maybe

993
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: their egotistical pricks that's possible, or maybe they've just been

994
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: conditioned into this culture that that values one thing or another.

995
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: I personally would and to tie this back to another conversation,

996
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: I would rather be known as someone who's a good

997
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: angler than solely an exceptional fly angler. And I think

998
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: that flying like we have created people who fly fish

999
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: have created this ethos for themselves that makes them really

1000
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: easy to make fun of and to consider to be,

1001
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, jerks, because they say, well, you caught that

1002
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: on bait, You caught that on a crab soaked flyer,

1003
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: you caught this on something that's not as good as

1004
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: what I did. Who cares. You're going out and fishing,

1005
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: and you're having fun as long as you're respecting the

1006
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: resource and you're staying within the law. Who cares how

1007
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: you caught the fish. Whatever makes you happy is the

1008
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: way you should do it. And and I think that

1009
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: that the whole flaningle community could do better. Just kind

1010
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: of step down and relax a little bit. There can

1011
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: be an appreciation for somebody catching it in a way

1012
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,479
Speaker 1: that does make it more of a cult. Well, start

1013
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: that starts to fall apart. Well, if I'm started to

1014
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: fall afar because I would say, okay, catch it on

1015
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: a bar hook, catch it on a bear hook. If

1016
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: it's all about what makes it hard ton put nothing

1017
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: on there, Yeah, it's extremes. Yeah. Well, and then the

1018
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: argument comes in Did you you caught it on a

1019
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: bear hook? Is it because you're good or you found

1020
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: really stupid fish? They accidentally they accidentally inhaled it. I'll

1021
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: tell you when I used to guy on on the

1022
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: Big Horn early season, one of the dirtiest tricks in

1023
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: the book for those guys would be to take a

1024
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 1: bear giant, bright red hook and fish that because those

1025
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: fish just attacked it. And among the guy in the

1026
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: community that that was a thing that was looked down

1027
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: about it. Maybe it was a mayby San Juan worm. No,

1028
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 1: it was huge. It was like it was a big

1029
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: gamagatsu octopus. Hook in red had to be read and

1030
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 1: it was a dirty, dirty trick. Makes it yeah so much. Again,

1031
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like among the community of people who

1032
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: were fishing that there wasn't a piec of art attackt

1033
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: to it. Oh yeah, I used to fish it. He's

1034
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: always fishing underneath my bead because then it was still

1035
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: like you're fishing instead of just fishing a bead and

1036
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: a hook. Now you're fishing a bead and a San

1037
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: Juan spaghetti and meatballs. I'd be talking about how long

1038
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: it took me to tie it. Do you tie your

1039
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: own flies. I tied these, the whole box of them

1040
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: last night. It's just nothing greater than catching a fish

1041
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: on a on a fly that you tied, and I

1042
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: tied this one, and it's just raking fish. It's fantastic.

1043
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: But I think this this points the figured how ridiculous

1044
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: the whole thing is. You came up with the most

1045
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: difficult thing to do, like, well, just a bear hook,

1046
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: and there are people within this community who go like, well,

1047
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: that's cheating. That these are the level of ridiculous rules

1048
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: that we have pleased upon ourselves for what like you're

1049
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: not gonna it doesn't matter, like you're not winning a

1050
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: trophy or a prize, which also brings up I got

1051
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: asked the question on a on a thing recently an

1052
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: interview where they were asking me how I felt about

1053
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: fly fishing competitions, expecting me to say, oh my god,

1054
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: that's the most horrible thing I've ever heard, that somebody

1055
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: would have a fly fishing competition until you're taking it

1056
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: and and well, like you go out and and you

1057
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: have like a tournament, you know, fly fishing, like a

1058
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: bass tournament, and bring them you don't bring them back

1059
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: home with you. I don't know. I mean, you probably

1060
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: have to have a judge with you to measure it

1061
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: because it's all about you know, length, and like actual

1062
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: size doesn't matter, right, it's just all about length. As

1063
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: long as it's eighteen inches and a half a pound

1064
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: is better than a four pound seventeen inch fish. Um.

1065
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: But people get really upset about the notion that you

1066
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: would have any sort of a derby or tournament in

1067
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: fly fishing like they would in bass fishing or something

1068
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: like that, right, And the question came to me on

1069
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: how I felt, and I thought, well, I don't. I'm

1070
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: pretty sure I'm not the fun police. I don't care.

1071
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if as long as they're respecting the resource,

1072
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: and what do I care? How they go and enjoy

1073
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: their day, and if they want to have a derby

1074
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: or a tournament catching fish and measuring that, it doesn't

1075
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: sound interesting terribly to me, Like I don't want to

1076
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: go do it. I mean, I don't need the disappointment

1077
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: in my life because I'm not gonna win, you know.

1078
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: And it's like I get made fun of enough, I

1079
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: don't need to also go out and prove that I'm

1080
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: not a six, I'm a two. Uh So I wouldn't

1081
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: do it, but he had had somebody else that he

1082
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: had interviewed a couple of weeks prior that was adamantly

1083
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: against it and thought it was absolutely destroying fly fishing

1084
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: in the world of fly fishing, and the history of

1085
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: fly fishing. Was Oh yeah, that it just it just

1086
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: takes everything everything that he thinks flying that he thinks

1087
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: fly fishing should be about. Is I see both sides

1088
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: of that because because I I understand, I understand that perspective,

1089
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: and it makes me slightly uncomfortable to see kind of

1090
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: the carnival aspect of the carnival atmosphere surrounding bass fishing

1091
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: or fly fishing um and where whereas I see those

1092
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: those sports as you know, personal time and opportunity to

1093
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: hang out with friends and commune with nature. And I

1094
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: mean it's very it's deeply spiritual to me. But at

1095
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: the same time, I think it's also inherently competitive. Anytime

1096
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: you put two guys in a boat, they're trying to

1097
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: do better than the other one. So it's just kind

1098
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: of a logical extension of that. On the on the

1099
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: other hand, well, I'm with you on the fact I

1100
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. It doesn't sound interesting to

1101
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: go to the tournament to me, but that's a personal choice.

1102
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: And and and you're absolutely right. I mean, you know,

1103
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: the biggest lie that I've ever told in fly fishing was, oh, well,

1104
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad at least one of us caught a fish,

1105
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: because I don't care. If I'm out fishing with a friend,

1106
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't care if he, you know, caught a fish.

1107
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: I want to catch a fish. Him catching and fish

1108
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: might make it no, not even my It makes it

1109
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: worse that I didn't. If I'm gonna get skunked. If

1110
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to catch anything, then I could also

1111
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: not to have caught anything. I want to return, and

1112
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: I'll admit that I want to return to parody from it.

1113
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: But I realized we never we never finished the thing

1114
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: about jail and jail miles. I have been in handcuffs

1115
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: multiple times, but I've never been booked. So they coughed you. Yea,

1116
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: then they let you go. Yeah, they detained you. I

1117
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: was detained. I have been detained more than once, but

1118
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: I've never been I've been to the station. I've never

1119
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: been booked. They change, they keep changing their mind. I

1120
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: think the last time it happened. I was sixteen, so

1121
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: I think they were just trying to, you know, scare

1122
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: me straight. And I may have had a wayward youth,

1123
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: and so I had a few run ins with the

1124
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: local cops. Never coughed or been in jail. You've been coughed,

1125
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: been thrown in jail, You've been in cars rated? Nope,

1126
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: no I have not. I'm we were talking about this before.

1127
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm good at talking talking to cops. I'm

1128
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: very polite and deferential, which is what my dad taught me.

1129
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: Just apologize a lot, and so that's that's what I

1130
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: That's what I do. And I got friends and I

1131
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that I shot that guy in college.

1132
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: I got my friends and I out of a lot

1133
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: of trouble. When whenever, when whenever cops would show out

1134
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: at our house that had three hundred people and it

1135
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: and allowed music playing it too in the morning, you

1136
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: would have got it ran out of the yard. I was.

1137
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: I was the one. I was the designated police liaison.

1138
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: I had to spend one night in jail, and my

1139
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: goodness that it uh uh. I came out of wanting

1140
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: to live a cleaner life. They had its effect. How

1141
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: old were you two old enough to know better? A

1142
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: little drinking? Yeah, to drinking? Um, yeah, a little drinking.

1143
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: I got charged with resisting arrest, which I thought was

1144
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: a trumped up charge. That was you didn't it was

1145
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: a stretch. When he went to cuff me, it surprised me.

1146
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: They cuff me, and it startled me. So I went

1147
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: to withdraw. You know, if he had said I'm gonna

1148
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: cuff you, now, I would have held out my hands

1149
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: like they do in the movie. But but he he STU. Boy,

1150
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: did I write a letter of apology? You would? I

1151
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: wish I had a copy of the letter of apology

1152
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: I wrote to that officer, so that that's where you

1153
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 1: really knew the writing career was gonna pay pay off

1154
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: that one. It was heartfelt. You got ahead of gailed

1155
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: out and took it away from me. Are you finished

1156
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: with your jail story? You just told me he hadn't

1157
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: been to jail. I know, I was onto the next thing.

1158
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm not okay, that's sorry, I'm asking. I

1159
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: thought I thought I had a second to jump in.

1160
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: But go ahead, now that I'm through talking about jail.

1161
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: If you didn't change the subject, please, Well, I had

1162
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: a good opportunity at a segue, but you, uh, you

1163
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: stole it by going back to the jail thing. But

1164
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking that all these arguments that we have

1165
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: within the fly fishing um space, is that maybe a

1166
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: reason that your daughters don't fish? The argument, the argument,

1167
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: everything we just we're discussing the like the purity of

1168
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: fly fishing and what makes what's the definition of fly

1169
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: fishing and all this stupid stuff that really doesn't matter,

1170
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: making it not fun. Is that maybe why your daughters

1171
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: don't fish? Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't think so.

1172
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean I they just from an early age showed

1173
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: well before the argument of what it means to fly

1174
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: fish came into play, They just ever showed an interest

1175
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: in fly fishing. I say that, and then I no,

1176
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean I took him out a couple of times.

1177
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean they fished. I mean I took him out.

1178
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: How do you the greatest failure like that a person

1179
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: could ever experience? Well, I mean we all we all

1180
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: have our own path. Uh, you know, there's there's certainly

1181
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that they don't enjoy fly fishing, but they

1182
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: do enjoy, you know, going out outside to like get

1183
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: in a car. Yeah, I mean the outside certainly leads

1184
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: to yeah, like a restaurant or or them all or

1185
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: a friend's house or something like that. Um. How many

1186
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: times they trying to call in doorsy? Um? How many

1187
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: times did you try? How many times did you take

1188
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: them fishing? When when they were growing up? We we

1189
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: drug them along? And maybe that's just what I just said,

1190
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: we drugged them along. Uh. This was maybe this was

1191
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: their way of of, um, you know, going against me

1192
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: or you know there will show him we won't learn

1193
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: to fish. Um, that was their rebellion was to not

1194
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: learn how to fly fish? You know that. Maybe that's it. Uh.

1195
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: My oldest daughter is twenty seven and my youngest daughter ise,

1196
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: have they been to jail? Well one of them probably

1197
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: should should go to jail, uh you know for a

1198
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: couple of days, you know, just to sent her on

1199
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: a path. Uh. The other one is is probably doesn't

1200
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: need jail at this point. She's she's a nurse working

1201
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: with dementia or and alzheimer patients. And actually she just

1202
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: got a new job. She works with hospice. Uh, so

1203
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't need to go to jail now. The now

1204
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: the other one, you know, and I don't want to,

1205
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, call her out, Zoe, but you know, Zoe,

1206
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: could you know, maybe like a three year stretch, just

1207
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: something to just something to straighten her out, you know,

1208
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,959
Speaker 1: kind of get her on the right path the fight there. Well,

1209
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: so we've worked with the prison in Boise and uh

1210
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: the prisoners Thai flies for the real Recovery retreat in Idaho. Seriously,

1211
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool. Yeah, and so I could get her

1212
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: on that program she was in if she was in

1213
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: the joint. So how's that work out? I got a

1214
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: phone calls the one of the guys, one of the

1215
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: wardens out there, uh like St. Patterson and got in

1216
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: touch with me and said, hey, I you know, I'm

1217
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: a warden out of the prison. Oh shit, you know?

1218
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: Uh are you not her? Yeah, we haven't seen her

1219
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: a long time. Um So anyway, he got ahold of

1220
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: me and he said, hey, so I I do a thing.

1221
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: We we have a program out here. We're in this

1222
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: guy fly issues, right, So do you know that this

1223
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: was a racket? This guy's this guy wants free flies

1224
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: and so no good dude, and and so anyway, so

1225
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: he said they had a thing out there and that

1226
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: uh as long as it was a not for profit

1227
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: organization that they could tie flies and give them to us,

1228
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: and and we are so uh yeah, so they every cool.

1229
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: They tie a box for the guys and and then

1230
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: we get to say, hey, we had some prisoners tie

1231
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: these flies for you guys and so here. Yeah, so

1232
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: it's a pretty cool program. You want me to stump

1233
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: you guys on a piece of fly fish and trivia? Yeah?

1234
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: I do ready for this? Bring it on? Name for me?

1235
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: The two countries the two leading commercial fly tying countries,

1236
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: but not not the US. Kenya? How'd you know that?

1237
01:08:53,880 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: And Kenya would Thailand? I did not know? Kenya does it?

1238
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 1: Sri Lanka is up there too, it aren't they. Maybe

1239
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm wrong I should have said that name two countries.

1240
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: I kind of. I started getting in there a little

1241
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: over my waiters by the leading, the leading. I was

1242
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: thinking of hobbyists, like where where where people happened to

1243
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: tie flies? It's not where they were commercially. Maufactured about

1244
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: fly sweatshops. As we're talking about all your flies come

1245
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: from sweatshops, So you know, no I don't. Yeah, I don't.

1246
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: Very sad places really, so oh yeah, no, not not

1247
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: all though I'm I'm I'm oversetting there. They're actually and

1248
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: and there are a couple of programs and I'm totally

1249
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: blanking on the name. Maybe Sam, you can help me

1250
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: remember this one. But there's a new fly company that

1251
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: came out in the last couple of years that is

1252
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: actually working with local communities as like a way to

1253
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: bring people up out of poverty. I know, I know

1254
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: one outfit, and hunturis that is doing that fair trade

1255
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: to change. Yeah, it's it's something like that. I think

1256
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: it's it's not quite that, but it's some of that.

1257
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: But there are there are some bad actors in that

1258
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: world who actually pay people terribly and that's wi flies

1259
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: is so cheap. And then there are other companies who

1260
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Speaker 1: are trying to pay people a little living wage and

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01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: make it. Many of the many of the top fly

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01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: fish of fly producing companies like up Quah and Montana

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01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: Fly Company have have very good working conditions and and

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 1: pay much higher wages than many of the other opportunities

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01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: around those areas. And I know they take that quality

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01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: control very very seriously and visit their facilities a lot.

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Speaker 1: But I know there are also some real sweatshop situations

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01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: going on fair trade flies. Man, that's a company i'd start, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just I'd go get the cheap as I

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01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: could get them fair to me trade, sir? Enough? Is

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: that sub three dollars? What is it that? Uh? What

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: in your mind makes like what in your mind makes

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01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: a culture or a group of people? Parodyable? That's not

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01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: a word, but you know I'm pretty good paroitiable parodyable, yeah, right,

1275
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: right for parody. I think if you get a group

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01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: of people that take something very very seriously, that it

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01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: is ripe for parody. And now I I've been asked,

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01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, do you think that fly fishers take themselves

1279
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: too seriously? And I and the answers, no, I don't.

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01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't. It's not up to me how serious you

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01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: want to be about fly fishing or anything else in

1282
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,799
Speaker 1: your life. So you take it as seriously as you want. Um,

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01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: that's not my job, So I don't, you know, but

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01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: it does make it easy to make fun of you, um,

1285
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: and and your sports and what you like to do.

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01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: And I'm one of them. I mean, I'm just I'm

1287
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: making fun of myself as well. I mean, there's no

1288
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: and I don't think mean spirited about the stuff that

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01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: that I do. It's just too easy to take something

1290
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: that is so serious and there's so many arguments surrounding it.

1291
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: What's right, what's wrong? I mean, what's better? What's you know?

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01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: Is nymphing actually fly fishing is there's so many arguments,

1293
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: and all those arguments that we've been talking about for

1294
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: the last hour are exactly what makes it parodiable is

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01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 1: that it's It's also something that you know, when I

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: make the joke, people start tagging their friends, and so

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01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: you know you've hit the nail on the head because

1298
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: this is this is oh, that's you, John, Tom John,

1299
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: this guy just knelled you. This guy's got you, you know,

1300
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: and so you just start to know that one worked

1301
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: because people are now tagging each other in it. And

1302
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: so it's like the argument about whether what makes a

1303
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: fly a fly is is nymphing really you know, like

1304
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 1: a trashy way to fish, or is dry fly fishing

1305
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: the only real fly fishing? All those things and all

1306
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: the seriousness in which people have these arguments, it just

1307
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: makes it really really fun to to parody. You know, uh,

1308
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: take a guy like take a guy like Jeff Fox

1309
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: or who does parody um I would venture to guess

1310
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: that most of his audience is that his audience is

1311
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: not holy, but I would guess largely comprised of the

1312
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: subjects of his parody rednecks, right, right, Isn't that that's

1313
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: I think everybody likes it, But that's who takes the

1314
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: greatest joy in it because it's done from a place

1315
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: of love. It's like his humor, he's like, he parodies

1316
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: rednecks from a position of love and respect. And I'm

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01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: one of you, right yeah. Uh is most of your

1318
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: audience people who think that fly fishermen are self righteous,

1319
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: annoying assholes as most of your audience fly fisherman. I

1320
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: think it's fly fisherman, you know. I mean I've had

1321
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: people tell me they got into fly fishing because of

1322
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 1: the fact that they watched my videos because they thought

1323
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, I just thought it was a

1324
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: bunch of like, you know, tweed jacket with the leather

1325
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: on the elbows, sort of assholes. And then I watched

1326
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: your videos and I'm like, oh no, this is this

1327
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: is sort of a fun thing. I'll try it out. Um,

1328
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: it's it's fly fisherman, And and uh, I think it's

1329
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: people that you know, just think it's fun to be

1330
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 1: made fun of and things fun to make fun of themselves.

1331
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: And and I think most of them realize it's it's

1332
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: a joke. I'm just kidding around and and but everything

1333
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: that Hank does is comes from a place of logic.

1334
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: So if you watch him, I mean, as illogical as

1335
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: it is, you can follow his logic. You know, there's

1336
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: there's an absolute logic to it. So, um, I just

1337
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: try to pick up on conversations that I have with

1338
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: guys out life fishing, or the arguments they have, or

1339
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: the different videos. And I mean, how many more videos

1340
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: do we need on how to tie a certain not?

1341
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: It's like I was gonna make a video that you know.

1342
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, people are calling me and they're

1343
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: asked me, Hank, how do I tie a surgeons not?

1344
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: And so what you're gonna want to do is you're

1345
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 1: gonna want to get two pieces of you tip it

1346
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 1: and you're gonna like line those side by side. Now

1347
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a smartphone. You're gonna go to Google

1348
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: and you're gonna type in how do I tie a

1349
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: surgeon's not? There's seven thousand videos. Find the shortest one,

1350
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: there you go, and and so it's just you know,

1351
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: I think that the audience for Hank Patterson is definitely

1352
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: people that fly fish. Hardcore fly fishers like it, and

1353
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: guides like it, and some of them absolutely hate me.

1354
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: That's that's the next question. Because you're you're familiar with

1355
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: the movie Spinal Tap. Yeah, oh yeah, I don't know

1356
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: if it's true, but let's just pretend it's true. Uh,

1357
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: I heard that. I wish I knew what this is true. Yeah,

1358
01:15:53,160 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: I need type in the Cult and Spinal Tap. Let's

1359
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: let's let's not pretend that what I'm gonna tell you

1360
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: is true. I'm the singer from the Cult. I just

1361
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: got some kick ass songs. The singer from the Cult

1362
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: was insulted by Spinal Tap. Oh, he was insulted by

1363
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: a rock parody? Is that true? Really? Let's just say

1364
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: it was, uh for a minute, until we find out

1365
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: that it's not. Um, do you do a lot of

1366
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 1: fly fishermen get annoyed that you goof on it so hard?

1367
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: I don't know about a lot. I mean, it's it's

1368
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: like as far as comments that I read or emails

1369
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: that I get, and I don't get a ton of

1370
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: people that will like actually email me every now and then,

1371
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: or I'll get comments on my videos and stuff like that,

1372
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: and it it really is. You know, hundreds are more

1373
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: to one, but every now and then somebody absolutely hates

1374
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: what I do and they hate me, and it gets

1375
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: it can get really personal. I read one one time

1376
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: a guy had written like at least three geographs on

1377
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: how he was gonna because I was wearing an Orvis hat,

1378
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: he was going to return everything he had ever bought

1379
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: from Orvis because of my video and how much he

1380
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: now hated now he extended it to them, He now

1381
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: hated them as well for supporting what I did. And

1382
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: and uh, that guy takes himself too seriously probably, But

1383
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: but comedy, you know, I'll say this is that I

1384
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: don't get offended if somebody doesn't think that I'm funny,

1385
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: because comedy is absolutely subjective. Just because you don't think

1386
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm funny doesn't mean that it isn't funny. It means

1387
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: that it isn't funny to you. Now when when those

1388
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:46,879
Speaker 1: people think some stuff is objectively funny almost almost yeah, yeah,

1389
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: but meaning like if somebody says, I don't think Hank

1390
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: Patterson is funny the guy is obnoxious. He is obnoxious,

1391
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: you know. And if you don't like my style of

1392
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: comedy or you don't like the things that I do,

1393
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: I think that's fine. But now when it's personal and

1394
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: you aren't telling other people that they shouldn't like me,

1395
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: or you start threatening to take your gear back, because

1396
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: then you know, now it's all about you. It isn't

1397
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: about the fact that I mean, you can just stop

1398
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: the video and move on. I mean, you don't have people.

1399
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: The guy also had typed in there that he's like,

1400
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: I've watched three of your videos and and I thought

1401
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: you should have stopped it one, like like, well, maybe

1402
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: the most I've seen you get you getting. Yeah, I've

1403
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: seen Um I put a lot of images and stuff

1404
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: up on Instagram, which I like that platform a lot.

1405
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: I think that people go onto Facebook just to fight.

1406
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: People log into Facebook, theyre already they're already pissed. Yeah,

1407
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, they're like, oh that Donald Trump. You know,

1408
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: they go into Facebook like with that attitude, right, Um,

1409
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: But Instagram people are kind of chill. But still you

1410
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: see stuff like you'll see, uh, you'll put a thing

1411
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: up and you'll see a little of some guys being like, oh,

1412
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, oh this guy, he's the worst guy in

1413
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: the world, and a guy like, yeah, I gave up

1414
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: on him long ago. It's like, you're in my You're

1415
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: like comment, You're in my Instagram account carrying on a

1416
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: dialogue about it. You scroll, like, what is giving up

1417
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: on something? Look like to you you haven't given up,

1418
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: but that it isn't taking forty five minutes of your

1419
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: Monday afternoon to comment about me and how you've given

1420
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: up on me. But on the follow like, do you

1421
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: think it's because there's a lack of understanding of satire?

1422
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: Like do you think that those are folks who just

1423
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: don't understand the concept of satire and are taking it

1424
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: seriously and going this guy's asshole my favorite. I did

1425
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 1: an episode how to Survive Yellowstone National Park I remember well,

1426
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: and it starts with, um, thirty two million people visit

1427
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: yellow Stille National Park every single day. And it goes

1428
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: on to say, like these ridiculous numbers, forty two people die,

1429
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, and and it then it just starts to stay,

1430
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: stay the f away from grizzly bears. Stay. That's all

1431
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: the advice that that Hank gives. So it gives these

1432
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: ridiculous statistics, and uh, this lady commented on there and

1433
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: she's like, this is ridiculous. I don't think any of

1434
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: this is true. I live in the Yellowstone area and

1435
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: all you're doing is getting people afraid to come here

1436
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: on those tourism dollars. And to say that thirty two

1437
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: million people visit every single day is ridiculous. It's not

1438
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 1: even close. And I thought, Wow, she did not understand

1439
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: satire whatsoever. And I feel like satire is a is

1440
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,799
Speaker 1: a dying art. I think people are like taking things

1441
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: in the media just so literally. Now, we're so conditioned

1442
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: to take things literally and for since a sationalism sake

1443
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: that the idea of like and things are so sensational

1444
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: that are like just in our basic media that feel

1445
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: like satire. Like we're losing the concept of satire entirely.

1446
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: And it makes me sad. I love satire. I think

1447
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: Hank is at his best, and you know, and there's

1448
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: varying degrees even for me. I mean I watched the

1449
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: videos and it's like, oh man, I really like that one,

1450
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: and and you know, I mean there's varying degrees to

1451
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: how funny they might be. And if you make enough stuff.

1452
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you make some stuff that hopefully everything you

1453
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: put out you believe in, and I do. I've I've

1454
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: made videos that I have never put out because I'm like,

1455
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: it's not funny enough, do not put it out? And

1456
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: uh and and so there's varying degrees, but um, I

1457
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: think Hank Patterson is definitely at his best when it

1458
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: blurs the line between like is this is this guy serious?

1459
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: Is this you know? I mean, if you start to

1460
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: like really question it, Uh, then I think that that

1461
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: he's at his best, which gets harder and harder to

1462
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,759
Speaker 1: do because people now know who Hank Patterson is. Um.

1463
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of people are like, I

1464
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: saw your first two videos and I had no idea

1465
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: if this was a joke, which I thought, well, then

1466
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: you're an idiot, because they're I mean, they're clearly a joke.

1467
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: But still it's sort of like like rides that line

1468
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: of anything that you can identify with, um and and

1469
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: it hits close to home. Is I think where it's

1470
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: at its best, and that's where satires at its best.

1471
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: It's like when you go, yeah, I'm that guy. I'm

1472
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: I've met a lot of Hank Patterson's on the road. Yeah,

1473
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: that that was the next thing I was going to

1474
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: ask you about. Is as much as it's fun to

1475
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: laugh about how sanctimonious fly fishermen are, right and how

1476
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: prissy they are and and uh like uptight they are

1477
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: and weak they are in a feat they are whatever

1478
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: are they are? They? I don't think so because that's

1479
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: as funny. It's like my experience. That's That's what I'm saying,

1480
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: Like there's all the thing. But then like dudes that

1481
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: I hang out with the they're just guys fishing. It's

1482
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: like people going fishing. So where did it come? Like

1483
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: how it's sort of the thing that it exists. It

1484
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: only it's like it only exists because the parody. Yeah,

1485
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: but Hayk Patterson isn't that Hank Patterson isn't is a blowhard.

1486
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah he's not like you know, like he's not like

1487
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: super purist. He's just like the blowhard. Yeah yeah, there's

1488
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 1: nothing yeah periost about him. He's just so it doesn't

1489
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: play on that, you know what I'm saying, Like what

1490
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,520
Speaker 1: happens when something when we have this there's this cultural

1491
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: understanding of a thing and it's it's it exists because

1492
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: of the joke about it. For instance, the eighties. Okay,

1493
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 1: we goof on the eighties. When people goof on the eighties,

1494
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: they're goofing on, goofing on the eighties, right, not the reality.

1495
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: The narrative like the same thing with the sixties. The

1496
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: narrative of the sixties is now driven by parody. Yeah,

1497
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: everything about the sixties is a reference to the parody

1498
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: we've created about the sixties. The eighties has become like

1499
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: it's like a already of a parody. Yeah, you know,

1500
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: like it's it's you don't recollect what it was like.

1501
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: You recollect what it's like when people goof on it,

1502
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: and that's what you've come to think it was. Like,

1503
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 1: So who is the like, where are the real asshole fly, fisherman,

1504
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 1: give me some names. They're out there. I mean there's

1505
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: certainly what do they do because it seems like just

1506
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: like kind of like chill people that like to be

1507
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 1: outside and fish. Yeah, I think it's it's it's I mean,

1508
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: it's somebody that. What what makes it again really parodiable

1509
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: is how serious we all take it and me included, Right,

1510
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: and you get into these discussions about flies and about

1511
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, different ways to drift, to fly one, how

1512
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: to cast a line in double hall, in this and that,

1513
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: and it's just all the things that in the thought

1514
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: processes and the seriousness that go into just trying to

1515
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: trick a fish into hitting a hook is ridiculous in

1516
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: and of itself. And then there are guys that get

1517
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 1: really into that and and just can go out and

1518
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: have a good time. And then there are guys that

1519
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: really do want to be better than everybody else and

1520
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: really do take it very seriously. And if people don't

1521
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: do it, you know, the way that they think it

1522
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,879
Speaker 1: should be done, then you know they're they're just assholes

1523
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, they're just people in the world,

1524
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: no matter whether they fish or don't fish. So clearly

1525
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: there are people that fly fish that are you know,

1526
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: they take all that seriousness that we all have and

1527
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 1: they just add their their assholessness to it. But but

1528
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: does it even over index? Meaning like, okay, we look

1529
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: like you just take Americans index check this out? Check

1530
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: out good. If you were gonna go and take you're

1531
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: gonna take a random sampling You're in randomly sample of

1532
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:48,560
Speaker 1: thousand Americans. Then you're gonna count up. How many assholes

1533
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: you got? Right? Like? Whatever? Okay, so there we have

1534
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: our figures. You take a thousand fly fishermen. No, No,

1535
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so I don't. I'll say, like,

1536
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: I go around to a lot of fly fishing shows

1537
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: and fish with you know, strangers quite a bit, just

1538
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: because you'll go do shows and so the guys take

1539
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: you out and fishing, and uh, I rarely run into

1540
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 1: somebody that I'm like, this guy is just a douche.

1541
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't, you know. It's typically like people that are

1542
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: pretty like minded, and and uh, you know, I don't

1543
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: run into a lot of jerks, to be honest with you.

1544
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're out there clearly, but I just don't.

1545
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't. And maybe it's but to call back a

1546
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 1: conversation we were having just a couple of hours ago

1547
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: about the fly shop guy. I've been in. That fly

1548
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: shop guy is a trope, like an armchair angler who

1549
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: hangs out in fly shops. Uh no, it's it's it's

1550
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: the kid you generally mid twe these thinks. They're like

1551
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: the most hardcore angler. The only job they can get

1552
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: is working in a fly shop, and they are they're

1553
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: bitter at all the people who come in and no

1554
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: less than them, and need to exert flex their knowledge

1555
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: over everybody who walks in the door who asked them

1556
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: a question, and to continually reinforce their own identity as

1557
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: an expert by diminishing the clients who come in the door. Yeah,

1558
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: and these were just literally walk in the door to

1559
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: be educated, to get some information to spend their money.

1560
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 1: And and they're demeaning to them, and they talk down

1561
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: to them, and they roll their eyes at them. It's

1562
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: it's the record store guy, you know, it's the Jack

1563
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: Black in high fidelity character that the customers are absolute

1564
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: pain in the acids. They're coming in, You're trying to

1565
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: tie up some flies, you're thinking about what you're gonna be,

1566
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: you know, where you're gonna be fishing later in the afternoon.

1567
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: And now this son of a beach walks through the

1568
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: door way. He wants to buy something and interrupt my

1569
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 1: day and ask me questions. And he's the guy that

1570
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 1: as opposed to saying, well, they're hitting on spruce. Moll's

1571
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: is like ship man, I had to figure it out.

1572
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: You figure it out. There's all though there's a lot

1573
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 1: of those guys that do not want to give out

1574
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: information because I figured it out. I'm like, just on

1575
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: your own, like nobody ever told you anything. Well, I

1576
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: mean I went out with my dad. Well maybe this

1577
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: guy didn't have a dad and he came into your shop,

1578
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: and your answer for him not having a dad, it's

1579
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: just shipped on him. I mean, so you know what

1580
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean there is that there's that like, well,

1581
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, I had to figure it out. I mean,

1582
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: if you ever asked a guy on on a on

1583
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: a river, it's like that's doing well. It's like, oh man,

1584
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: you're doing good. What are they hitting on? And I

1585
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 1: mean you get to look like just lost for his

1586
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: pin number? Where are they hitting on? You know? I

1587
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: just I've got your credit card here, can you give

1588
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 1: me your zip code? I mean it's like, why is

1589
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: that crappy question? It's because he just discovered a lot

1590
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: of people know what they're hitting on and sharing that

1591
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: sort of information. Now, that's another I think people can

1592
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: argue about what what how much information you should share

1593
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: and what people should have to figure out on their own.

1594
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was listening to an interview with the

1595
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 1: Linguists one time, and the linguists was talking about tracking

1596
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: trends in language trends and phrasing, and they were just

1597
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 1: saying that there's a thing that they'd be interested in

1598
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: looking at. I think it would be solvable, as when

1599
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: did waitresses start saying, are you still working on that?

1600
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: There's a point in time you'll go back? And no

1601
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: one said that, Like no one said that to your

1602
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: father when he was a child. This this is like

1603
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: a linguists explained this, like no one said to your

1604
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 1: father when he was a child, are you still working

1605
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: on that? And then it came from somewhere and spread

1606
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 1: and it's like a kind of thing that was explained,

1607
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: like a kind of they like to spend their time on.

1608
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,759
Speaker 1: How do these things start. The thing that the fly

1609
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: fishing community like a thing they do that I'll never

1610
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: understand is um, blank river is fishing well today. No

1611
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 1: other type of angler, Yeah, no other type of angler

1612
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: on the planet would say that the blackfoot is fishing

1613
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: well today. No, Like like no person would say, um no,

1614
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: no bass fisherman, no, no tuna fisherman, no catfish fisherman

1615
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: would ever utter the words blank is fishing well today.

1616
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 1: The Pacific is fishing Gulf Stream is fishing well. They

1617
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 1: would not say it. I challenge you to find me

1618
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: someone to say it outside of this very specific context.

1619
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: M hmm. It's best said holding a glass swirling a

1620
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: glass of red wine. My favorite of those types of

1621
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: statements that I don't know but I would guess is

1622
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: also a specific to fly fishing statement is did you

1623
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: catch any fish today? We moved a few fish. Musky

1624
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: anglers will say that. Conventional musky anglers. We had a

1625
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:37,879
Speaker 1: few chasers. Someone saying how their husbands. So a colleague

1626
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: of mine was saying that her husband is enjoying, her

1627
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: husband to be is enjoying a very good day down

1628
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: in Florida because he jumped to you gotta you gotta

1629
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 1: take what you can get, which I'm fine with that

1630
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: up to only he held it long long enough for

1631
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 1: it to jump. But small victories and miles and I

1632
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: are just coming back from Florida where that was all

1633
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: we got. So when people ask how we did well's, well,

1634
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: we didn't catch any, but we were sort of close.

1635
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Jumped one, yeah, one, I had one just break me

1636
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: off on the first head shake before it could even jump.

1637
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: So at least he has that much to say, yeah,

1638
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 1: you're you're interested in Um, you're interested in I can't really,

1639
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: that's not really something you should say. I was gonna say,

1640
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: you're interested in conservation, but like, yeah, yeah, are you

1641
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 1: offering to let me conserve something? Where do you see

1642
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: yourself in five years? Wise, conservation curious? Yeah, you're that's

1643
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: a great way to put your conservations. Let's try this.

1644
01:32:56,040 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: Let's try this. You're a conservationist, conservation minded, your conservation?

1645
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: What does that mean? I am? Well, I mean, you know,

1646
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: the more that I got into fly fishing, I think

1647
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:11,600
Speaker 1: one of the biggest surprises to me was that, you know, conservation,

1648
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 1: you know, began to interest me. And uh, well, you know,

1649
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: I never I guess I would have thought of myself

1650
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: as somebody who cared, but I never would have thought

1651
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: I would have any sort of platform to do anything positive. Uh.

1652
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: You know, as far as conservate, you just go through

1653
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: life quietly, caring, quietly caring and and doing absolutely but

1654
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: rooting for the good old days and rooting for the

1655
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: good and for yet earth. I want you to know,

1656
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 1: I hope this thing works out for you. I'll be

1657
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: dead before we know. Um yeah, I uh, you know.

1658
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,560
Speaker 1: The hank stuff. So I work a lot with Trout Unlimited,

1659
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it dawned on me at one

1660
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 1: point I know nothing about you know, like science, and uh,

1661
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think that to a degree, most people

1662
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: have to take some sort of a leap of faith

1663
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: in in in a group of people or in you know, science.

1664
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 1: I will admit to you I'm not going to pour

1665
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: over the science. There are certain things that I know,

1666
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, as far as littering and and you know

1667
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: that that I shouldn't do, you know, Um, but you know,

1668
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 1: I I have made some conservation videos, and uh, I

1669
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: think that with climate change in particular being such a

1670
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: hot button topic, which I don't understand, which actually surprised me.

1671
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Speaker 1: If yeah, that people are like so piste off before

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01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,719
Speaker 1: the conversation starts, I had no idea that was the case.

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01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: Chris Wood. I've puzzled over that. That it's it's interesting

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01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,679
Speaker 1: that it's it's it's one of those things that's interesting

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01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: to me that it's partisan, because it seems that it

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01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 1: would be a scientific discussion. It will be like, um,

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01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 1: it seems to be like you you look at a

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01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: body of evidence and you believe the body like you

1679
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: like you look at like, oh that makes sense, I

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01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: support this, or I I you know, I arrive at

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01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: the same conclusion. Or you look at a body of

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01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: evidence and you'd see a lot of holes in the

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01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: body of evidence, and you'd be like, well, I don't

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01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: agree with that. It would be like, it's weird that

1685
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: it falls that it winds up falling that your understanding

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01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 1: of it tips on partisan lines and doesn't tip on

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01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: just the same way if I said you, like if

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01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 1: you said, why is the sky blue? And I presented

1689
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 1: you with a here's my explanation of why it's blue?

1690
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: And you saw it, and you're like, um, you know,

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01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, but that I don't buy

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01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: that there has been another explanation, because look, what's wrong

1693
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 1: with your argument those two. It's not like there's like

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01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: a right wing way of looking at why the sky

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01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 1: is blue and a left wing lay of looking at

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01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: the sky. But whether or not you sort of accept

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01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 1: or not accept the scientific communities findings about it, how

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01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: is it partisan? Yeah, it's a bizarre thing. I mean

1699
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: what I've tried to do is figure out is like,

1700
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: how can I have any sort of an effect? And

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01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: I realized you can't. I can I change what happens.

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01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 1: But the the videos as far as like the arguments

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01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,719
Speaker 1: that people have in the partisanship of it, uh, that

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01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: that I've tried to make is um. The video I'm

1705
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: working on right now is is how to talk about

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01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: talking about climate chan? So it's literally just how do

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01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 1: we have a conversation that I'm not going to take

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01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: either side. I'm not going to be a climate change denier.

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01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say climate change is happening. I'm

1710
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: not gonna say it's human cause you're not human. I'm

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01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: just gonna have a It's a video just specifically based

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01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:49,719
Speaker 1: on how can we have a conversation about it without

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01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 1: keep using our minds? Well, I've I've long since said

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01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: that you can't have can you believe this? You can't

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01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: start a conversation with fuck you? And so it's star

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01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: there that you have to be willing to listen to

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01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: each other. And yeah, rule one is at the point

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01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: that somebody says that we now know the conversation is over,

1719
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: the conversation has has now ended, but that's not gonna

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01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 1: that exchange isn't gonna occur. And then a couple of

1721
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: minutes later, someone's gonna go, you know what, man, I

1722
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: really see your point. You're right, well, I you know,

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01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean, and then the other thing is like trying

1724
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: to figure out how do you communicate, you know, with

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01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: everyone as opposed to just your group of people, right,

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01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: And so we're talking about you know that you know,

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01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 1: you go on Facebook or whatever, and these arguments occur,

1728
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:45,879
Speaker 1: and they just start his arguments, they end his arguments

1729
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: that absolutely nothing is solved, and they're typically based on

1730
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: two people that have differing views of will say, climate

1731
01:37:54,320 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: change and nothing's going to change. They're they're they're differing views,

1732
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: and so it's almost you just sort of I always

1733
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:04,719
Speaker 1: feel like you're beating your head against the wall if

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01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: all you're going to do is cheer, lead and speak

1735
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: to your choir. And so I think it's fun to

1736
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: use comedy as a disarming element. And so I'm not

1737
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 1: coming into it with f you. I'm not coming into

1738
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 1: it to you know, berrate you. I'm not coming with

1739
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, all the facts and figures in

1740
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 1: the serious side of it. I mean, you can just

1741
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: let's just let's disarm this thing and let's at least

1742
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: degree that it doesn't have to be a partisan issue.

1743
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 1: Let's just figure out a way we can actually just

1744
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 1: have a conversation about it and then and then see

1745
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: where that conversation goes. Um whether or not that helps,

1746
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, but I don't. You know,

1747
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm not one to set out to make, you know,

1748
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: another video, to try to prove something to someone unless

1749
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,799
Speaker 1: I figure out a way to get them to listen

1750
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,640
Speaker 1: to what I'm to my point of view. If they

1751
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 1: won't us into my point of view, then then what

1752
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 1: what's the point? I mean, if all I'm getting is

1753
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: people that already agree with my point of view to

1754
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 1: say you goddamn right. You know, it was like, well

1755
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 1: that who cares? You haven't moved the needle, And so

1756
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: I always try to go, well, maybe you can move

1757
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 1: the needle just by figuring out how how do I

1758
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: approach everyone, you know, with with how do you talk

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01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 1: about things like climate change or other conservation issues? And

1760
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean that might seem like sort of

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01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 1: a cop out to not take a hard line stand

1762
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: on on one side, and I think that's easier said

1763
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 1: than done, though extent. And I'll bring up a specific

1764
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: example recently that happened to me where I ran a

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01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,679
Speaker 1: foul of this without knowing that I would. I published

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01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 1: something on our website and I used the term the

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01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:51,719
Speaker 1: phrase climate change deniers in that in that in that article,

1768
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 1: and I got an email from a reader accusing me

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01:39:55,840 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 1: of using pejorative language by using the phrase climate change

1770
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: deniers in the context that I did. And you know

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01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 1: it turned into well, his his argument was just that

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01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 1: that had that term had been co opted and used

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01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 1: by the media to um to frame people who didn't

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01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 1: agree with a particular understanding of climate change. That's a

1775
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 1: good point I never thought about exactly. And I and

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01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: you're sort of teeing it up like you're seeing you're saying, like, oh,

1777
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: you know the guy that's wrong exactly. And and you know,

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01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 1: he and I had what I thought was a pretty

1779
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 1: amicable exchange. We had some basic disagreements about and the

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01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 1: Virginia climate change. But I had to admit, like I

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01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:39,600
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't even think of that term as triggering

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01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: or as pejorative, and it had it made me sort

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01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 1: of rethink, like, wow, I thought I was coming at

1784
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: this from a pretty safe space in terms of opening

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01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 1: up a conversation and even this basic language that I

1786
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 1: thought was was on the table is charged. And so

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01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,559
Speaker 1: that's why, like in these things, I think it's very

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01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,560
Speaker 1: very difficult. I like your point of saying, well, I

1789
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: come at it from this comedic space, and I try

1790
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: and open up these open conversations, and I think a

1791
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 1: lot of us trying to do that and incidentally or

1792
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: accidentally use terms or phrases that turn it into a fight.

1793
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 1: Because that was certainly not my intention in the way

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01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: that I put that together. And I would hope that

1795
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 1: person got more out of the article than that one thing,

1796
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 1: but they may not have. They may have been so

1797
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: turned off by their response to that phrase that they

1798
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 1: couldn't hear anything else that I don't want their mind

1799
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 1: to be changed. So so once once they see any

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01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,640
Speaker 1: sort of tip that you may be disagreeing with them,

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01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: they're probably going to shut off. Yeah, And particularly if

1802
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 1: they feel and rightfully so, if they feel like they

1803
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 1: are being maligned or their perspective is being treated disrespectfully,

1804
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 1: then of course they're not gonna listen. And I think

1805
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:48,679
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the biggest root cause in my mind,

1806
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: is that people tie their identity to their political beliefs

1807
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:58,759
Speaker 1: or what political or whatever whatever climate changes their beliefs

1808
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 1: about the world around them. That the way they understand

1809
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:06,440
Speaker 1: things is very deeply connected to who they see themselves

1810
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: as a person. So if that is to shift, then

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01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 1: who they are as a person is no longer the

1812
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 1: same and no longer is pure. Perhaps. Yeah. The reason

1813
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 1: I bring this up about your interest and your your

1814
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 1: let's say, your support for the conservation movement, and you

1815
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 1: raise some good points um to comedy like like Hank Patterson, Yeah,

1816
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: is not he could probably uh act as though he is.

1817
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:44,680
Speaker 1: He's not that interested in conservation. He's not like a

1818
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: supporter of the conservation movement up until the point like

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01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 1: he would be up until the point where demonstrating his

1820
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 1: credentials there could be advantageous to him. Yeah, expressing the

1821
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:59,759
Speaker 1: right sentiment could help him out in the right moment. Yeah.

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01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 1: I think I look at it like if if, if

1823
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: this idiot can have a conversation about it, I mean,

1824
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 1: you should be able to have a conversation about it

1825
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: as well. Um, it is funny. I mean to take

1826
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:17,560
Speaker 1: a character that that is that and talk about conservation

1827
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: and actually makes some serious like kind of spot on

1828
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: comments for the f three t I did a basically

1829
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: a soapbox speech about conservation and caring and the things

1830
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 1: that you can do and giving a ship and uh um.

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01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 1: And it was right in the middle of the film tour,

1832
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 1: and it's it was two and a half minutes of

1833
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 1: just me shouting at a camera without any fishing in it.

1834
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,640
Speaker 1: As I was a little concerned that that wouldn't be

1835
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 1: very well received at a fly fishing show, to have

1836
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: a guy not fish at all in his two and

1837
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 1: a half minutes um. But it was really well received

1838
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:57,200
Speaker 1: and it but it's a little bit of a departure

1839
01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: from the idiot side of of Hank Patterson. There are

1840
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:01,559
Speaker 1: few of things that I've done that I will say

1841
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 1: that are just it's still that same, like over the

1842
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 1: top character. But maybe he's not saying something quite as

1843
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,759
Speaker 1: stupid as as as he has in the in the past.

1844
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 1: But you almost have to break care like to be

1845
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 1: impactful a little bit. You have to break character because

1846
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: you have to be uh. You're saying to your audience

1847
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: you uh, you know I do. I I like laugh,

1848
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 1: I goof on us, I laugh at us. Yea um,

1849
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 1: and you like that you appreciate my sense of humor.

1850
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 1: So I'm now gonna act like who I am, yeah

1851
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 1: for real, which is his dude named Travis. And this

1852
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 1: dude named Travis likes rivers and wants rivers to be

1853
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 1: cleaning in good places, the whole lots of fish that

1854
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:44,759
Speaker 1: we can catch. Yeah, now I will jump back into

1855
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 1: being I jump back into a guy that doesn't really

1856
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: understand any of this. Yeah. Yeah, well, and and I

1857
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 1: think neither of us understand much. Uh is the truth?

1858
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean it, I guess my thing with the conservation

1859
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 1: really has been. I mean, I'm not joking when I

1860
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:07,800
Speaker 1: say I don't. I don't know the science. I don't

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01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 1: you know, I have not. I will readily admit, you know,

1862
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: so I don't. I'm not going to get into a

1863
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:18,840
Speaker 1: science argument or debate with somebody about climate change. I

1864
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 1: mean there are I mean, as much as we like,

1865
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 1: there are certain things that I see that I, as

1866
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 1: a human being can do better. I mean, I can

1867
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 1: be a better steward. I can, you know, I cannot literally,

1868
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean it is simple things that I can say,

1869
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 1: you know what, well, I know, But I'm just I'm

1870
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 1: just talking about conservation in general. Like you know, it's

1871
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: like there are things as far as the plastics problem,

1872
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: and there are things that you you look at now

1873
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,680
Speaker 1: you know. Of course, the minute I say, you know,

1874
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,880
Speaker 1: you should you know, kick plastic and and all that stuff,

1875
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 1: somebody's going to see a picture of me with a

1876
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: plastic water bottle and that will destroy everything. They will

1877
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 1: they will look, they will like finding that picture. Oh yeah,

1878
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,640
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's one out there, but yeah, I

1879
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess With conservation, it's just been for me.

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Speaker 1: It's been something that that I I believe in the

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01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: work that organizations like you know, Trout Unlimited UM, and

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Speaker 1: that's bring them up because that's one that I'm closely

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Speaker 1: tied to. UM. I believe in the work that they're doing.

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Speaker 1: And if there's some way that they think that I

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01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 1: can help them, I let them sort of lead. I

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01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,759
Speaker 1: have ideas like that, how to talk about talking about

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Speaker 1: climate change? What is an idea that I had, you know,

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01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: because we had a conversation about well, what do you

1889
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 1: think you know? And I said, well, I mean, god,

1890
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 1: we can't even talk about it. Like I read a

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01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: thread Chris Wood had mentioned climate change in an article.

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01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: It's like fourteen paragraphs deep in an argue or in

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01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:43,719
Speaker 1: an article that has nothing to do with climate change,

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01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 1: and I mean it was a thousand deep on people

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01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: like ready to I am, I'm not going to be

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01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 1: a member of Trout Unlimited anymore if this is the

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01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:54,640
Speaker 1: path you're going down and the conspiracy And I'm like,

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01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 1: my god, did I read the whole article? I don't

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01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 1: remember him talking about climate change at all? And that's

1900
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: all it took. Its sort goes back to your pejorative

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01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 1: because a lot of people here that they hear the

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01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 1: word climate change and they what they're they're saying to themselves,

1903
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 1: where is this headed in a regulatory sense? Right? Yeah?

1904
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: So where is this habited in a in a governmental sense?

1905
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 1: Where is this head in a sense of federal oversight?

1906
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 1: So they hear the word and they they're not they're

1907
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:31,480
Speaker 1: not They're not untangling all the portions of the conversation.

1908
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 1: They're thinking about like where are what are the ways

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01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 1: in which this is going to be leveraged? Two? What

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01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 1: are the ways this is going to be leveraged to

1911
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: push the agenda of people who are like predisposed to

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01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 1: already dislike certain industries, Like that's the that's what's going on?

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Speaker 1: And that's why it's how that's why we don't know

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Speaker 1: how to talk about how to talk about it. No,

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Speaker 1: and I get that. I get it to it too

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01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 1: fear thing of where it's going to go. But if

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01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 1: if you focus on, well, if it's going to go

1918
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 1: a direction that maybe has a negative impact on you

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01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 1: in some way, but a positive impact on the environment,

1920
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 1: and then that's a tough that's a tough thing to

1921
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 1: have to figure out with yourself, I guess. I mean,

1922
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not in an industry that that any of

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01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 1: this effects, and so I certainly come at it from

1924
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 1: a much easier place. I mean, my you know, I

1925
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: make videos. You know, I don't. I'm sure there are

1926
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: things that in the making of videos. I I burned

1927
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,719
Speaker 1: the tip of a fly rod in one of my videos,

1928
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 1: and the Orbits had sent me a brand new like

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01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 1: Helios three, and I set it in a fire and

1930
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 1: I burned about a two inch you know, portion of

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Speaker 1: the tip of that fly rod. And I my god,

1932
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:57,760
Speaker 1: I had a guy hate me. I was, I mean,

1933
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh god, uh, you know, and I mean

1934
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: he went off on me and there was an argument

1935
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 1: on the orvis you know, Facebook, and he had it

1936
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 1: posted on his page, and he had posted a big

1937
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 1: long thing on my thing about the fact that I

1938
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 1: was out burning certain types of resins and oh my god,

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01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 1: I can't believe that you're I mean, this is the

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01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 1: equivalent to burning half of the cap that would go

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01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: on a milk jug and h he lost his mind. Um,

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01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 1: And then every argument that he had was like, I mean,

1943
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 1: I get it. When I'm going up to do a

1944
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 1: river clean up, I'm gonna be burning fuel. And it

1945
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 1: couldn't be that when you're going up to drink beer

1946
01:49:36,160 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 1: with your friends. It was when you're going up to

1947
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 1: do a river clean up. And so it's stuff like

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01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 1: that that always gives me like, you know, uh, Chris,

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01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, Chris from to you, it's an interesting things

1950
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 1: when we talked about the fact that it is both sides.

1951
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. I mean, it's like, if you are,

1952
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, coming these topics from this holier than now,

1953
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you you know, if you're an environmental

1954
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 1: a confirmation is you know, and you come at it,

1955
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, like at people that don't believe what you

1956
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 1: believe in a certain way, you're doing a big disservice

1957
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,679
Speaker 1: to what you believe in I was at my brothers

1958
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:16,600
Speaker 1: and he was I had my kids there and a

1959
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 1: bunch of other people there. And when he gets I

1960
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:20,640
Speaker 1: can't remember what his threshold is, but at some threshold

1961
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 1: of dinner guests, he runs, uh, paper plates because he's

1962
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:28,040
Speaker 1: just like he's like, at a point, I'm not gonna

1963
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:30,679
Speaker 1: wash all these damn dishes. So if it's seven paper.

1964
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:32,679
Speaker 1: But he didn't have paper, he had styre phone plates.

1965
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 1: And I overheard many people like basically try to take

1966
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 1: him to task. Yeah, for the styre foam plates. Yeah,

1967
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 1: he would be like, how did you get here? What

1968
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 1: was the mode of transportation used to get here? Because

1969
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 1: this plate wouldn't get you to the end of my driveway. Yeah,

1970
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 1: but it's funny. But then it brings up this other

1971
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 1: problem that people have their top of stuff is like

1972
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 1: the what about is um? Like, like, what about it?

1973
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 1: I could say, um, I might say whatever. Let's say

1974
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,320
Speaker 1: you're having an argument with your spouse, right, like one

1975
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: one of the members of the marriage says, Oh, they

1976
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 1: come home, it's a week night, and they say why

1977
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 1: are they Why are the kids watching TV? Like they're

1978
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:27,640
Speaker 1: not allowed to watch TV during the week And you

1979
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 1: go Uh, well, what about when? Right, So you're no

1980
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 1: longer talking about the thing, right, it's a it's a

1981
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:42,600
Speaker 1: it's a conversation about purity. Yeah yeah, yeah, who's the

1982
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 1: better person? It's not like you've lost way track of

1983
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 1: what the gold is of not having them not watch anything?

1984
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:52,559
Speaker 1: And so what what about is ms? They're frustrating because

1985
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 1: they're so true. Yeah, how did you get here? You

1986
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: didn't need to You didn't need to burn gas to

1987
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 1: come eat dinner at my house to tell me that

1988
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 1: I shouldn't use these plates? Yeah, why don't you eat

1989
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 1: at your own house and save on that fossil fuel? Yeah,

1990
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 1: we're we're not talking about the environment at this point.

1991
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about a gallon of gas and some plates.

1992
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,599
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it winds up being like it makes

1993
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 1: everything like what about is are hard because they make

1994
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 1: everything hard to talk about. But then they also are

1995
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:25,639
Speaker 1: so stinging lye true. This guy was super mad because

1996
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:27,639
Speaker 1: he said, I I not only had I burned that,

1997
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 1: but I'm adding uh to the waste, So this is

1998
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 1: now going to go to a landfill. He's very upset

1999
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 1: that to a landfill the tip so which you can't

2000
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's burned, so you can't fix it. And

2001
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:42,839
Speaker 1: so I told him, I said, as stupid as it sounds,

2002
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:47,799
Speaker 1: we're actually framing the burned tip and and we're giving

2003
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 1: it away at at one of our shows, I said,

2004
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:54,679
Speaker 1: And and beyond that, this was a rod that came

2005
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:58,680
Speaker 1: from the returns department. So this wasn't an Actually they

2006
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:00,640
Speaker 1: didn't just take it off the show often send me

2007
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 1: a rod to destroy. I mean they pulled something from

2008
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: the So I said, you know, this is act. It's

2009
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 1: actually not adding to the landfill. It's yeah, And and

2010
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: then he said, well what about Yes, it's of little

2011
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 1: consolation to me, is what he said. It's of little

2012
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 1: consolation to me that that is not going to I said, well,

2013
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:26,680
Speaker 1: you're two what I said, you're two things where I

2014
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:30,599
Speaker 1: burned plastic resin and that this is going to a landfill.

2015
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 1: I just told you one of those isn't even a thing,

2016
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 1: And it's a little consolation. It's half of your problem

2017
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,800
Speaker 1: with me. Now, your whole problem with me has become

2018
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 1: this thing instead. Um, but yeah, it's I mean, I

2019
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:45,040
Speaker 1: don't you know, I mean, this will probably end up

2020
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:48,479
Speaker 1: solving this whole thing. To this video I'm talking about, Well,

2021
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:53,160
Speaker 1: most likely solve this, this whole thing. The only thing

2022
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about while I sit here is God, I

2023
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 1: gotta do more reason, I gotta read, I gotta do

2024
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:01,680
Speaker 1: some research because I'm all, you play stuff back in

2025
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 1: your head about the part ground like I don't know

2026
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:05,439
Speaker 1: she had about it. I'm just trying to make a video,

2027
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,360
Speaker 1: h And I think, oh, I should probably know something,

2028
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 1: so anyway, so I would thanks, Thanks for now I've

2029
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 1: got homework. I'm glad I came at your show. We're

2030
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 1: going to do concluders and then people as part of

2031
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:20,720
Speaker 1: your concluder. You can do the last concluder perfect as

2032
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:23,280
Speaker 1: part of your concluder. Yeah, tell people the best way

2033
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 1: to go? Uh find you? Yeah? You because no one

2034
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: wants to find you. Find Patterson? Yeah, yeah, trust me.

2035
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:33,080
Speaker 1: If I if you put on that reader board that

2036
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:36,879
Speaker 1: you saw in Peekabu, Idaho, Travis Schwartz is gonna be here.

2037
01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 1: Nobody else will show up. Hank Patterson, You've got fifteen

2038
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 1: people miles. What do you got? Uh? This conversation about

2039
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 1: conservation and cut ideas about conservation has me thinking about

2040
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 1: reasons why we do end up caring, and for me,

2041
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:59,200
Speaker 1: it usually ends up seeing something that bugs me or

2042
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 1: bums me out, and I'm like, wow, I wish that

2043
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 1: wasn't that way. So we just got back from Santa

2044
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 1: Bell Island where we tried to do some fishing, but

2045
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 1: there weren't any fish to catch because you know, they

2046
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:13,560
Speaker 1: all died. So just my my concluder is that I

2047
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 1: think I don't think that. I think that when a conservation,

2048
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 1: when we're talking about that, we're not talking about like

2049
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 1: some high minded ideal of of being selfless. We're talking

2050
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 1: about losing ship that we really really care about and

2051
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 1: impacts us on a very personal selfish level that we

2052
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:31,400
Speaker 1: don't want to have to deal with. So I'm thinking

2053
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 1: about the selfishness aspect of conservation. That's my concluder. That's it.

2054
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, you gotta check with me if it's

2055
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 1: all right. I'm just letting you know. I'm putting a

2056
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 1: point on it. Yeah, chats do you have a day? John?

2057
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 1: I I I own a small video production company in Bois, Idaho,

2058
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 1: Patterson Videos that makes Hank Patterson videos and and super

2059
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:02,480
Speaker 1: sweet corporate video as well. But right, she has you

2060
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of serious stuff too. Yeah, yeah, mostly, Yeah,

2061
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 1: just for a corporate video stuff it pays, well, I don't. Yeah,

2062
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, like a video for a company like you

2063
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 1: a packard or you know, a training man. I like

2064
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 1: these computers like yeah, yeah, it's like how do you

2065
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 1: use this printer? Well? Yeah, you push that button. Uh

2066
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 1: it's pretty I do get called a lot to try

2067
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 1: to make you know, really mundane corporate topics funny. And

2068
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 1: yeah I get that that phone call from time to time.

2069
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 1: Uh because I tell people, I said, if you want

2070
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:40,400
Speaker 1: to make less money than a phishing guide, make videos

2071
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 1: about being a phishing guy. And uh, people are like,

2072
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 1: oh man, this st Patterson. You just killing it. No,

2073
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 1: I I Am not just killing Still want to hire

2074
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:53,440
Speaker 1: you as a fishing guy. Yeah, I picked like the

2075
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 1: smallest angling sect to decide to make fun of. And

2076
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 1: but seriously, I think that Henry Patterson is going to

2077
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 1: be really into golf and so and that's how I'll

2078
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 1: retire is switching over to golf soon. Bigger audience, do

2079
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 1: you remember the comedian Tim Conway is that his name? Yeah,

2080
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 1: he recently passed away to Yeah you know he used

2081
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 1: to do that yeah, that thing where he put shoes

2082
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 1: on his knees. Very sensitive. Um, he's funny dude, Tim Conway. Yeah,

2083
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 1: we used to get quite a chuckle out of that. Yeah,

2084
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:32,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know if you watch it now, I

2085
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 1: don't know if it holds up like Blazing Saddles. Yeah,

2086
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:40,760
Speaker 1: are we surprised that's on Netflix. He might want to

2087
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 1: pull that down. I'm not sure it's holding up. How

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Speaker 1: long have you been fly fishing? I've been fly fishing

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Speaker 1: probably twenty five years at least, something like that. I'm

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Speaker 1: forty nine years old. Were we doing the other years?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, just drinking and you know stuff.

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Speaker 1: I should have sent me to jail, but somehow I

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Speaker 1: I avoided it. Were an outdoorsman I was. I do

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Speaker 1: a lot of comedy, and uh, I toured theater. I

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Speaker 1: was a Shakespeare actor for seven years. I heard, don't

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Speaker 1: realize that. Yeah, yeah, I spent a lot of time

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Speaker 1: in theater and and uh we did. Miles and me

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Speaker 1: talked about that about why, you know, I think some

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Speaker 1: funny fishing videos work and some don't. And I said,

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Speaker 1: I think that I come at it as a comedian

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Speaker 1: and and not a fly fisherman. I mean, so if

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Speaker 1: I say, doth doth protest? And don't understand what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, I do that the bar if I

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Speaker 1: say the bar I'm talking about Yeah, oh yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: who I mean? How good was I as he Shakespearean actor?

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Speaker 1: I'm Hank Patterson. Now do a line, Hank Patterson. The

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Speaker 1: King keepers here tonight, take the Queen coming out within

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Speaker 1: his side for ober On his passing, fell and wrath.

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Speaker 1: That that's a from that that movement Summer Nights Dream

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Speaker 1: another good show. I was. I was not a great

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Speaker 1: Shakespearean nect. I was probably okay at it? Who what

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Speaker 1: kind of guys? Did you play the kings? No? No, no,

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Speaker 1: I was like I was young, so I was. I

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01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,800
Speaker 1: was playing you know, smaller roles. I did have a

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Speaker 1: role in a play called Spring Awakening one time, and

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Speaker 1: and I was. I was featured in American Theater magazine.

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Speaker 1: So that was my big claim to fame as a

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Speaker 1: theater actor, which is all we read that American Theater

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Speaker 1: is like, that's that's big theater. Yeah you thought fly

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Speaker 1: Fishing was small? Yeah yeah, yeah, American Theater magazine. That's yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. You two are enough children's theater

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01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:43,640
Speaker 1: and you you decide not to do theater real fast.

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Speaker 1: I Yeah, it was. Yeah, I did a lot of tours.

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Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm out, baby. What else? He's a generous

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Speaker 1: concluding thoughts because a lot of times people take a

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01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:57,000
Speaker 1: concluding thought and they want to turn the spotlight inward.

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01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:02,680
Speaker 1: But Yanni that shine his his concluders are a spotlight

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Speaker 1: that shines out upon the world. That's how ny is.

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Speaker 1: It's nice. What do you got, Sam, Well, have a

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02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:15,840
Speaker 1: lot of trouble with my personal life. We'll wake at

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02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:18,760
Speaker 1: all about you. Well, I'll start out by making it

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Speaker 1: about me. Um. I hope my attempt to play the

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Speaker 1: devil's advocate about about methods of fly fishing h didn't

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Speaker 1: come across as purest in any way. But I just

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Speaker 1: want to I just want to say, get out fishing,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter how you do it, as long as it's legal,

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02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 1: as long as you're having fun, and don't listen to

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Speaker 1: anybody who says anything different. And I think that's the

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Speaker 1: great value of of Hank and Travis here is that he,

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Speaker 1: I think did more than anyone ever has to encourage

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Speaker 1: people to just not take it so damn seriously and

2142
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:57,960
Speaker 1: go have a good time, make fun of yourself, making

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02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:01,760
Speaker 1: fun of your friends and and enjoy the experience and

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Speaker 1: just get out there. I'm I'm gonn hijack this because

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Speaker 1: there's one other thing I want to ask I did

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Speaker 1: a good job. I want to hear a story about

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Speaker 1: about you being mistaken for Hank, about me being mistaken

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Speaker 1: four right, because we we we recognize it as a character,

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02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:24,120
Speaker 1: but I'm sure that people come up to you all

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Speaker 1: the time and to the Hank is an actual is

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02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 1: not a character? Early? I mean, I don't get it

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Speaker 1: as much, but I certainly like people when people started

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02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:41,880
Speaker 1: realizing that I am not Hank Patterson, that it's a

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Speaker 1: character that I play in some videos, some people were

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02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 1: very disappointed, you know, to to to learn that, because

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Speaker 1: Travis is certainly nowhere near is entertaining uh as as

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Speaker 1: Hank Patterson. So I've had that experience quite a bit actually,

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Speaker 1: where people are like, wait what and it really blows

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Speaker 1: their mind, which I think is I mean, is it

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Speaker 1: new to you that people play characters and videos? It

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be that big of I think, But but it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a compliment really because I mean it's like,

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02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:17,000
Speaker 1: if you really believed this was an actual, you know person, uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's a compliment to play it. Amazing acting ability,

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Speaker 1: Shakespearean background coming through really nail. Yeah, yeah, it's very shakespeare.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to make one plug I watched. I was

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02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:31,280
Speaker 1: doing some research for this podcast. I was watching YouTube

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Speaker 1: videos and I watched the one about how to make

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Speaker 1: a fly fishing video coming from production myself being a producer.

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Speaker 1: I think you really hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah on that one. That one had me instead Hank

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Speaker 1: Patterson on making Yes. Yeah, it's like all the things

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Speaker 1: that you need to have in your fly fishing video

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Speaker 1: to make it an award wing and it pretty and

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02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:58,400
Speaker 1: it just hits the nail on the head, coming through

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Speaker 1: the water, a shot at somebody times in a fly,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's But I was worried because that

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Speaker 1: also played at the film tour, and I was worried

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Speaker 1: that the filmmakers would be pissed at me. They needed

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Speaker 1: to like, those shots are in my video. They're in

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Speaker 1: every video we're gonna watch tonight. So yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: a but what else are you gonna show? It's fishing,

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Speaker 1: here's my concluder. Yeah, that's the thing I wanted to

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02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:29,040
Speaker 1: talk about earlier. But I like talk about stuff that

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Speaker 1: people write in about, And we were having a conversation

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Speaker 1: about um, sort of the etiquette um when you tell

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Speaker 1: someone your spot, you know, we talked about earlier, right

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02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:43,960
Speaker 1: with a guy. This guy wrote in that he says,

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02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:49,200
Speaker 1: he writes in arguing that you should never He's talking

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02:03:49,200 --> 02:03:52,560
Speaker 1: about like people are saying, when you're going out in

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02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:54,840
Speaker 1: the woods, you should tell someone where you are. So

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Speaker 1: if there's an emergency, and people would be like most

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02:03:57,480 --> 02:03:59,920
Speaker 1: commonly obviously if you're married, you would tell one spouse,

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Speaker 1: just let her know I'm at such and such trailhead

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Speaker 1: or my tree stand out at Bob's farm. Whatever. Just solved.

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Speaker 1: There's a problem. He says. You should never tell your

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Speaker 1: wife where you are because if you go through a

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Speaker 1: quote brutal divorce, she will then know all of your

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Speaker 1: hunting spots and tell them to her next man. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is a thing that he found dark. You know,

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Speaker 1: well he's been through this, so just a little would

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Speaker 1: he would never, He says, the one thing you did

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Speaker 1: right was never tell her where he was going. This

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Speaker 1: would have happened in divorce. In divorce, he doesn't need

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Speaker 1: to worry about her betraying his hunting and fishing spots.

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02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:52,120
Speaker 1: He signs off with, always be careful who you share

2207
02:04:52,120 --> 02:05:00,880
Speaker 1: your spots with. Unwarranted, unwarranted too much. I if I

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02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:02,520
Speaker 1: wasn't looking to wrap her up, I would tell you,

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Speaker 1: guys a story that curl your hair that has a

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02:05:05,200 --> 02:05:06,920
Speaker 1: lot to do with what that guy is saying, not

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Speaker 1: the marriage part, but yeah, save it for next time part. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you let you. Uh you know what, Can I make

2213
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 1: a request? Yeah? Can Hank Patterson give a closing thought,

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Speaker 1: a concluder? Sure? Yeah, he does. He think fast. There's

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Speaker 1: the only thing real slow when he's playing things out. No, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, I mean Hank Patterson would say, what what

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Speaker 1: an absolute honor for all of you guys to have

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Speaker 1: me here? And uh, I I had imagine, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you've got somebody like I don't know employed around

2220
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:40,000
Speaker 1: here that like watches the numbers, that this will probably

2221
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:43,480
Speaker 1: be uh your biggest episode ever. And so you're welcome

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02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:50,000
Speaker 1: for me being here, um my podcast, Hank Patterson's Outdoor Misadventures. Uh,

2223
02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:53,400
Speaker 1: there's not much a larger show, bigger audience, and uh

2224
02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:56,400
Speaker 1: we don't put half the amount of effort and work

2225
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 1: into it that you guys do. And yet somehow, somehow

2226
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,680
Speaker 1: where that much better. Um so, and I would I

2227
02:06:02,680 --> 02:06:04,800
Speaker 1: would invite any of you to come and be on

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02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:09,000
Speaker 1: Hank Patterson's Outdoor Misadventures podcast. Uh if I thought that

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02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:11,200
Speaker 1: that you could keep up. But uh, you know, if

2230
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:13,680
Speaker 1: you keep at this, if you keep plugging away at

2231
02:06:14,120 --> 02:06:16,440
Speaker 1: the treat eater thing or whatever you guys are doing here,

2232
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:21,120
Speaker 1: keep plugging away, and in a couple of years, when

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02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:23,440
Speaker 1: you've got the sort of shops that I have, I'd

2234
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Speaker 1: love to have you guys come and maybe like intern

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Speaker 1: for me or something like that. That'd be fantastic. Uh.

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02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:35,600
Speaker 1: Travis would say that I appreciate being here, and uh,

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Speaker 1: my concluder, my my takeaway is that I think it's

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Speaker 1: super cool that you guys talk to me for so

2239
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:45,360
Speaker 1: long about real recovery and the work that we do. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I think, uh, I will walk away from this

2241
02:06:48,200 --> 02:06:52,760
Speaker 1: realizing that every time I get in a conversation about conservation,

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02:06:53,400 --> 02:06:56,360
Speaker 1: I realized that I'm copying out a little bit by

2243
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:59,200
Speaker 1: not doing a little bit more research and not educating

2244
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:01,520
Speaker 1: myself better, and I get myself in the weeds. And

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02:07:01,560 --> 02:07:05,240
Speaker 1: so I actually will do a little bit more of that. Um,

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02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:07,400
Speaker 1: not until after I make my video about how to

2247
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:09,760
Speaker 1: have a conversation about it, because I want to go

2248
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:15,080
Speaker 1: into that freshly knowing absolutely nothing. But no, thanks for

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02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:18,160
Speaker 1: having me. People can find me at Hank Patterson dot

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Speaker 1: com or you can find my new podcast, which is

2251
02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:27,320
Speaker 1: an absolute hot mess. Uh Hank Patterson's After our Misadventures

2252
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:30,440
Speaker 1: and some people like it and some people won't. They

2253
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:34,480
Speaker 1: can drive from catch them to Bolman. Yeah, watching out

2254
02:07:34,520 --> 02:07:37,920
Speaker 1: the left hand window. Yeah yeah, and you'll see see him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'll be there. I'll be around hitching her hide.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks for coming on man. Thanks. One of

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Speaker 1: the reasons I like all you listeners is that when

2258
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:15,400
Speaker 1: we really lean on you and call for you to

2259
02:08:15,480 --> 02:08:18,920
Speaker 1: do something, you do it. Um. Everybody got behind our

2260
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Speaker 1: cookbook so hardcore that it came out of the gate

2261
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:25,240
Speaker 1: as a best seller on all kinds of best seller lists.

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02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:27,560
Speaker 1: It's done phenomenally. Well, well, I'm here to lean on

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Speaker 1: you again because I would love for you guys to

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Speaker 1: see our new documentary film Stars in the Sky. We've

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Speaker 1: been talking about it on and off for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Now it comes up in this podcast. People are like, hey, man,

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