1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are thrilled to be 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: speaking to the Athletics draft guru. Dane Brugler, who authors 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: The Beast is there. I feel like there has to 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: be like a common way of saying that, Dane, how 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: do you prefer the Beast? Does it have some kind 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: of emphasis like that? 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny, I don't even remember where 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: that name came from. You know, like I've been doing 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: this draft guy for a while and along the way, 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: somebody started calling it that, and it just started to 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: catch on. And initially I pushed back a little bit 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: because it kind of sounds self serving and like that's 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: like I don't know, But over time I learned to 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: embrace it, and it's like, all right, if we're gonna 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: call it this, it's it's just more extra motivation to 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 2: make sure that it lives up to a name like that. 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: And so you know, every year, you know, we try 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: to make it bigger and better, and you know, it's 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: it's getting to do that, because you know, we set 21 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: the bar so high, but I think we did it. 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 3: We came close this year hopefully. 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: So for all our listeners, make sure you go to 24 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: the Athletic to read this and uh, it's five hundred 25 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: and twenty three pages long, which is I don't even 26 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever read a book that long 27 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: day So but but honestly eagerly await it's dropped every 28 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: single draft, and as soon as the Ravens make a pick, 29 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: the first thing that I do is go to the 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: Beast to get some background information on that player and 31 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: just your scouting report as well as I think my 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: favorite part is just you know, you tell what they 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: eat for breakfast and what their what their father likes 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: for breakfast, you know, and like it's it's incredible the 35 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: depth that you go to and get it with these prospects. 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: So I do want to ask when does the process 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: start of you compiling this mountain of information on these guys? 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Like how long does this take? 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: Well, it never stops, so I don't know that there 40 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: is a starting point. It's just it literally is a 41 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: year round project. And like for example, right now, like 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: I'm I've already have a lot of notes for twenty 43 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: twenty six prospects and really not on purpose, but you know, 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: when you're talking to a player or a coach or 45 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: a scout, inevitably names pop up or notes pop up 46 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: for player, Oh, make sure you watch this player for 47 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: next year, and this and that. Like so it's all 48 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: I'm always trying to scout, whether it's for this class 49 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: or the next one. And then I try to take 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: a deep breath in May, and then usually around a 51 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: moral day is when I'm diving right back into the tape. 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: And the summer is such a big part of my 53 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: process because it gives me a base, like to understand 54 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: who these players are. And then that way we go 55 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: into the season with some sort of expectations to understand, Okay, 56 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: is this player getting better, is he regressing? What's what's 57 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: going on with him as a prospect, And then after 58 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: Christmas that it's like kind of that that final three 59 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: months January favorite March where we have the All Star 60 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: Games and the Combine and the private workouts and the 61 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: pro days, and that's where we get a lot of 62 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: the information as well. It's kind of the most of 63 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: the haze and the barn at that point, but those 64 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: are the where we get the finishing touches, get the 65 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 2: testing information and yeah, I think you know it. Don't 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: read the guide because every single player is going to 67 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: be ranked exactly right, Like, that's not that's not why 68 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: I want you to use the guide. I feel good 69 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: about my batting average, but I think it's more towards 70 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: what you were saying, like the background information, you know, 71 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: all the testing information and all the testing information, and 72 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: it's NFL verified. I'm getting it straight from NFL teams, 73 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: So it's you know, you're getting the right info, especially 74 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 2: with the pro days where you know there's a lot 75 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: of different times being thrown about there and on social 76 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: media and stuff. Well, I'm getting times straight from NFL teams, 77 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: and so you know what type of information you're getting 78 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: in the beast, it's it's the background information straight from players, 79 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: you know, straight from their face, family, straight from coaches, 80 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: and then all the testing information and of course, like 81 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 2: you said, the analysis the strengths, the weaknesses to try 82 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: to paint a picture of who each one of these 83 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: players are. 84 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: That's great. Well, I mean you can definitely see that 85 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: the depth of the work that you put into it 86 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 4: every single year, and we both enjoy it. I'm curious 87 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 4: just as you look at the Ravens. Just to kind 88 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 4: of set the table for the Ravens. 89 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: How does this. 90 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: Draft present an opportunity for the Ravens to get somebody 91 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: or a couple of guys that can get this team 92 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: to that next level. How does this draft fit with 93 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 4: that potential for Baltimore. 94 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: Well, I think you could make the argument that, you know, 95 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: some of the Baltimore's the biggest needs going into the 96 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: draft will be on the defensive line, kind of that 97 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: front seven, whether you want to go edge rusher, add 98 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: more beef in the middle, just different ways you can 99 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: enhance that position, not just for twenty twenty five, but 100 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: as you put it, you know what's the twenty twenty 101 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: six roster look like in twenty twenty seven, and so 102 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: as you're forecasting forward, this is a really strong defensive 103 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: line group. We're going to see a lot of defensive tackles, 104 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: a lot of edge rushers drafted in the top one 105 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: hundred picks. And I think, you know, it wouldn't be 106 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: surprising if with those first three picks that Baltimore has 107 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 2: they go to the defensive line twice. 108 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: I don't think that would be a surprise at all. 109 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: And but we know they have a lot of picks 110 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: on Day three as well, And I think this is 111 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: a draft with pretty good depth. 112 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: Maybe not at every position, but at most positions. 113 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: It does stretch a little bit, so you feel good 114 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: about the players you can get in the fourth round. 115 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: And like I said, it's different position by position. Running 116 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: back is going to be deeper than you know, say, 117 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: offensive tackle. But I think it's it's an opportunity to 118 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: really fill out your roster with guys that are gonna 119 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: be contributors, Guys that you you know, maybe not expect 120 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: to be star players, but you want to come in 121 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: compete and help fill out the roster. So this is 122 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: a this would be a good opportunity for the Ravens 123 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: to do that. 124 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 4: Its the defensive line. Just to to continue the conversation there, 125 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 4: Like you talk about that defensive front and the Ravens 126 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 4: have starters long defense line. They want to add depth 127 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 4: and as we all saw in the Super Bowl, the 128 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 4: value of having a great defensive front, Like who were 129 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: the guys I guess at the edge position in the 130 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 4: first round that you think could make sense for the 131 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 4: Ravens if they were to go in that direction in 132 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 4: the first round. 133 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's obviously tough when you're 134 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: picking so late in the draft, in the first round, 135 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: just not knowing how those first twenty six picks are 136 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 2: going to play out. But if you know you're sitting 137 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: there at twenty seven and the Ravens, to me, just 138 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: from you know, my perspective, they seem to be a 139 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 2: team where they're gonna good players fall to them more 140 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: times than not, and it's usually because they're not afraid 141 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: to think outside the box a little bit, whether that's 142 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: a Kyle Hamilton or a Linderbom or you know, like 143 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: we can go back a lot of different examples of 144 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: where they're drafting a player that maybe a team in 145 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: the top twenty five was a little bit scared off 146 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: about because maybe he doesn't fit or check every box. 147 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: But the Ravens they say, okay, well this guy does 148 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: this really well, so will more than willing to take 149 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: a chance. 150 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: And like a guy like that. 151 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: Donovaneza Roku from Boston College ed rusher six two and 152 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: a half two hundred and fifty pounds. He has you 153 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: you want production, he has that. What he did at 154 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: Boston College, he was one of the best sack defensive 155 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: ends in college football last year. Maybe doesn't have that 156 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: elite bend. Maybe isn't doesn't have the elite size that 157 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: you're looking for, but he has length and he can 158 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: get after the quarterback. He can affect with the pocket 159 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: what is happening in the pocket. So to me, that's 160 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: the type of guy you want to bet on. And 161 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: if he's there at twenty seven, I think that makes 162 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: a ton of sense. You know, Landon Jackson from Arkansas big, 163 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: he's a little bit stiff, but those guys that are big, 164 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: long and have a motor, those guys just last in 165 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: the league. And so I think he's another one where 166 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: you can play him with his hand on the ground, 167 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: stand them up a little bit. You can, you can 168 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: be a little creative with how you use Elaine and Jackson. 169 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, this is just a loaded defensive line group 170 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: every single you know, first round, second round, the third round. 171 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: I think there's somebody that you can point to and say, yeah, 172 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: that makes sense for what we want to be. 173 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 4: Uh. 174 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: You know, for the Ravens in the front seven, do 175 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: you do. 176 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: You like Ezeraku or mikel Williams more for the Ravens 177 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: If if they're both on the board, let's say, who 178 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: do you think fits the Ravens better. 179 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: That's a that's a good cause. 180 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: I actually have them back to back in my top 181 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: one hundred, twenty one and twenty two overall, and so 182 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: I think it really would come down to what style 183 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: of player you want if you want the because Michel Williams, 184 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: he's sixty five, two hundred and sixty seven pounds, kind 185 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: of reminds me a little bit of Jason Pierre Paul 186 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: where it's there's a little bit of upside, or you're 187 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: betting on the upside more so than the production at 188 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: that point. And so for Mikel Williams, it takes a 189 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: little bit more of a leap of faith. But you know, 190 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: we said the Ravens are not afraid to go that route. 191 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: I mean, you think about a Dafe when they drafted 192 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: him in the first round not having any sacks, you know, 193 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: in college, when he's coming out of Penn State. You know, 194 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: a guy like Mickel Williams, you know, you like the traits, 195 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: you like the talent, but you wish he had more 196 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: than twenty one tackles last year, but he was still 197 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: an All SEC player, played through an ankle injury and 198 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: so that's part of the context of why the production 199 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: wasn't better. 200 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 3: But he looks the part. The length is crazy. 201 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: He can get after the quarterback with that just pure 202 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: power ability to be a bull rusher, but he can 203 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 2: also hold up versus the run. And he's one of 204 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: the youngest players in the draft at just twenty years old. 205 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: He won't turn twenty one until we get to July, 206 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: I believe. So you know, he is a player that 207 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 2: I think you can look at the upside and say, yeah, 208 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: let's bet on that. Then with Aziraku, he has the 209 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: production where he had sixteen and a half sacks last year, 210 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: twenty and a half tackles for a loss consensus all American. 211 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: Maybe doesn't have the size and doesn't check out all 212 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 2: of those boxes. But if you want a guy that 213 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: has length, that is a proven guy that can get 214 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: to the quarterback, can win the corner, has different jab steps, 215 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: different cross chops, he has different ways he can win, 216 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: then I think that's the direction you're going for. So 217 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: I think it really just do you want the production, 218 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: do you want the upside? I think if you're the Ravens, 219 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: I would lean towards the upside. Just because they've shown 220 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: that they are more than willing to bet on that 221 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 2: at that point in the first round. But I think 222 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: you can make a case for either guy. 223 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: So in the second round, the Ravens pick at number 224 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: fifty nine, And it's funny you have back to back 225 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: again in your top one hundred two edge rushers right there, 226 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: Jack Sawyer at fifty eight, Nick s Gorton at fifty nine. 227 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: Gorton seems to me, I mean both those guys kind 228 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: of scream Ravens to be honest. Jack's physical, big powerful dudes, 229 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: and both you know, pretty strong productions. Gorton going back here. 230 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: But you know how between those two guys, Like, if 231 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: you're looking at second round edge rushers, let's say the 232 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: Ravens ghost safety in the first round or defensive tackle, 233 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: and they're looking for that edge in the second, Like, 234 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: who do you like is a fit there? 235 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Scrton certainly makes sense if he if he's able 236 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 2: to fall that far, you know, because I'm a little 237 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: bit lower on scorting than others, but he's still a 238 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: He's probably gonna be somewhere in that second round, whether 239 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: it's in the forties or fifties. I think he'd be 240 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 2: a terrific pick. He's the motor is great. I mean 241 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: he is physical, He's always hunting for the football. He 242 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: will chase it down. You know, he's still kind of 243 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: putting together what it looks like to like his pass 244 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: rush arsenal and what it takes to break down the 245 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: rhythm of blockers. And it's it's gonna get tougher in 246 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: the NFL when he's facing better competition. But you another 247 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 2: one who's one of the youngest players in the draft 248 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: still twenty years old, doesn't turn twenty one until August, 249 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: so you feel good about the upside with Scorton. And 250 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: then yeah, Jack Sawyer. I think he's what he did 251 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: down the stretch for Ohio State to help lead them 252 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 2: the national title, what he did against Texas, and you 253 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: know the way he impacted the game in different ways. 254 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: He's knocking down balls, he's finding those passing lanes. He's 255 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: able to put pressure on the quarterback. Famio Ladejo from 256 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: UCLA another interesting name because he was a linebacker the 257 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: way they used him and then they moved into edge 258 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: ruddersher and you know, just straight out of Central casting 259 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: with the size. You know, if you want a guy 260 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: that looks the part Famiola Dejo six three, two hundred 261 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: and sixty pounds, and the flashes he put on film 262 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: during the season and then at the Senior Bowl were terrific. 263 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: Teams. 264 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: He's been a guy that's been on a lot of 265 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: thirty visits, teams trying to figure him out completely because 266 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: he just there's so much talent there they just want 267 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: to know more so. And then one other guy throw 268 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: out there ashion Jalotti from Louisville. I think, to me, 269 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 2: he screams raven just because of the way that he 270 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: consistently affects the pocket. And another guy didn't have a 271 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: lot of sacks, four and a half sacks this year, 272 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: but you're watching his tape and you're like, all right, well, 273 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: he's in the backfield. He's in the backfield. He's getting 274 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: there again. And whether it's just you know, the quarterback 275 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: able to evade him, or you know, maybe he misses 276 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: the tackle, whatever it may be. He can rush down 277 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: the middle and create movement at the point of attack. 278 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: He can win high side with the way he fires 279 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: off the ball that burst. He's very heavy handed. I 280 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: just think he's a kind of a worker bee. Maybe 281 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: not going to be the flashiest defensive end, but he's 282 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: going to be productive and he's going to be a 283 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: guy that I think the Ravens really like. 284 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: On day two, Well, the Ravens have a little bit 285 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: of history with Louisville. They've got a good player out 286 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: of Louisville before, so you know it's true. 287 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's worked for them before, and why not go 288 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: back to that. 289 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 4: Well, so I want to ask you about cornerback and 290 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 4: if we were having this conversation a year ago. Of course, 291 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 4: the Ravens took Nate Wigans in the first round last year, 292 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 4: and we probably wouldn't even have mentioned Nate at that time. 293 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 4: Didn't think that he was going to be there for 294 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 4: the Ravens and just kind of an oversight and looking 295 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 4: at that position and the way the way that the 296 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: Ravens like the drafts. So not making the same mistake twice. Basically, 297 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: I think there's a chance that Raves could go first 298 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 4: round corner again this year potentially. I'm curious if you 299 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 4: see that being a potential. Even though the Ravens did 300 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: bring into chiatoh Woozie in free agency and of course, 301 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 4: as I mentioned, drafted wings last year. Still have Marlon Humphrey, 302 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: could you see them going first round corner? And who 303 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 4: could be some of the options in that mix. 304 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: I think if the right value is there, it's certainly 305 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: a position that's going to be part of the conversation. 306 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: You know. 307 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: I think you go onto the first round looking at 308 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: all your options because again, you don't know how those 309 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: first twenty six picks that are going to play out, 310 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: especially in this draft. This is a draft that is 311 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: there's a lot of wild cards, and so if Jedai 312 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: Barn were to fall to you at that point, I 313 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: think you take a long look at that, and it 314 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: might depend on how you view Barn. Some teams see 315 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: him as strictly a nickel corner. Other teams see versatility 316 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: where he could play inside and outside like he did 317 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: at Texas. Opinions are all over the place on him. 318 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: But one player that I think has been a little 319 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: bit of a riser through the process. And I think 320 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: that term riser gets overused, but it certainly applies for 321 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: some teams and for Trey amos at ole miss I 322 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: think it fits because at this time last year he 323 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: was a late round pick up, best backup at Alabama. 324 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: Transfers to Ole Miss for twenty twenty four and he's 325 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: an All SEC player. Sixteen passes defended, three interceptions, played 326 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: really well for certain stretches, and then he goes to 327 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: the combine and runs a four to four to three 328 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, six to one, one hundred ninety 329 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: five pounds. We thought he was average speed, but combine 330 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: tells us otherwise, tested really well. And then talking to 331 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: a scout who was at his pro day said he 332 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: absolutely crushed it. Said it was the best cornerback pro 333 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: day he had seen this cycle. And so for Trey Amos, 334 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: it's just kind of checking every box. The season went 335 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: well in the SEC. You talk about the All Star season, 336 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: talk about the combine, the pro day, it's just like, 337 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: all right, check box, box, checkbox. And next thing with 338 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: chany Amos, it's like, all right, well, why shouldn't he 339 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: be a top thirty pick? 340 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: And so I think he's one of. 341 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: Those guys who could be a surprise first rounder on 342 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: Thursday Night, and you know, potentially to the Ravens, I 343 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: think that's that's a guy they might be interested in. 344 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: Well, I'm curious your take on Maxwell Harrison. He may 345 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 4: also seems like he could be a potential riser cornerback 346 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 4: out of Kentucky. He seems to fit a similar profile 347 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 4: to night Wigans, Like he's got blazing speed, he's he's 348 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 4: long and lean. What's your take on Harrison and could 349 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 4: he be a good fit? Is he too similar to Wiggins? 350 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: Like that? 351 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 4: That do you They kind of profile wise seem to 352 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 4: match up with each other. What's your take on Harston? 353 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that's that's. 354 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: Kind of a good point about Okay, is he very 355 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: too same ish to to Wiggins? Because Wiggans one of 356 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: the reasons he fell was just that lean frame and 357 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: could he hold up physically? And teams worried about, Okay, 358 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and seventy eight pounds, could he 359 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: play at a high level of the NFL at that size? 360 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: Harriston he was a hundred and eighty three at the combine, 361 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: also ran a four two eight, So the speed is 362 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: big time, It's fantastic. And he also at the Pro 363 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: Day had thirty nine and a half inchvert ten to 364 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: nine broad So he's explosive, there's no doubt about it. 365 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: Just the size isn't great. He was hurt for most 366 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: of this year. He had a shoulder issue, and you know, 367 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: I think the tackling needs to get better. It's something 368 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: that was not a strong part of his game when 369 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: you watch him on film. But when you have cover 370 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: skills and you have speed, teams are going to be 371 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: more than happy to kind of take the chance and 372 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: see you see what you got. So yeah, I think 373 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: late first, early second, that's kind of the range for 374 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: Maxwell Harriston. But you know, this is a decent corner class. 375 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: I think, you know, whether he like I mentioned Jedai Baron, 376 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: some teams really like Noel Williams from cal Chavon Revel 377 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: from East Carolina is one of my favorite stories in 378 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: the draft and that's my favorite part of doing the 379 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: Draft Guide is learning all the stories of these guys 380 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: and Chevon Revel, just going back to and talking to him, 381 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: talking his talking to coaches at ECU. You know, he 382 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: was a lot of injuries in high school, didn't have 383 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: the grades, so we had to go to Juco route 384 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: and that was when COVID hit in twenty twenty. So 385 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: he finds himself he's working at Amazon in an overnight 386 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 2: fulfillment center and just trying to make ends meet, but 387 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 2: not giving up on his dream. He worked a shift 388 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: six pm to four am, and a couple hours later 389 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: he was in the car going to ECU for a 390 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: tryout and his dad actually sent me the video of 391 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: you know, his dad was in the stands videoing him 392 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: running a forty yard dash and the coach racing chasing 393 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: him down to show him the stopwatch and say all right, 394 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: we've got something here. And so Chavon Ravel was able 395 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: to turn that into a really outstanding twenty twenty three season, 396 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 2: and Alabama, LSU, Ohio, State, you name it. Schools are 397 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: coming after him in the current era of NIL and 398 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: transfer portal. He stayed loyal to ECU and stayed at 399 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty fourth season, and then in September 400 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: he had an ACL tear and it's like, oh man, 401 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: this this guy is just adversity after adversity, but you know, 402 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: he just keeps coming. And so the mental toughness that 403 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: he's built up over the years is really fantastic, and 404 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: he's going to be a guy that maybe not go 405 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: first round anymore like we thought because of that injury, 406 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: but a team's going to get a really good player 407 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: on day two. 408 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if if he's there at fifty nine 409 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: in the second round and the Ravens haven't drafted a 410 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: corner already. Chevon Revel makes a whole lot of sense. 411 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: It's got like it's almost got. David A. Jabo vibes 412 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: to me. Injury happened at a different time, but very 413 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: talented player who slides because of an injury. Also good 414 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: story on both of them, and a great story on 415 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: both of me. By the way, our listeners should check 416 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: out Dane's feature story on Schevon Revel that they wrote it. 417 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: It's really an excellent right up. 418 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you see like that. 419 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: That's what happens when I do all the all the 420 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: nuggets for the draft guide. There are sometimes where it's like, oh, shoot, 421 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: this is too good that just hold it for the 422 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: draft Guide. I need to make I need to blow 423 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: this up and to make it a bigger story. And 424 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: Chevon Ravel is definitely one of those cases. 425 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Well, I want to talk Dane about 426 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: the safety class and I'll just put it out there. 427 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: I've been a big Malachi Starks guy from the beginning 428 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: of the pre draft process, and I've planned my flag 429 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: and this is why Garrett's talking to you. About cornerback, 430 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: because like I, once you plant your flag, the other 431 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: guy can't take him in his mock draft, right, that 432 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: just be that'd be foul play, all right, So I 433 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: plan it on Malachi. So he's trying to talk himself 434 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: into a first round corner and all that stuff. Right, 435 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: But I noticed saying that you have Nick Immamory slightly 436 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: above two spots ahead of Malachi Starks on your top 437 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: one hundred. Yet Malachi at nineteen, nick Immory at seventeen. 438 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: Why do you like Nick hare better? And who do 439 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: you think between the two of them fits the Ravens better? Yeah? 440 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 3: With them and Worry. 441 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: It's just you don't find guys that are six three, 442 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty pounds and run in the four 443 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: threes and have a forty three in verd and eleven 444 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 2: to six broad And it also show up on the tape. 445 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: And then just talking to his teammates, they say how 446 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: how tough he was to go up against and practice 447 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: because how smart he is. Just he understands what the 448 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: offense is doing and he gets a beat on it, 449 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 2: and he goes and mix plays. So I just think 450 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: the total package is there with em and Warr plus 451 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: you feel like they're still upside there for him to 452 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: get better and better. But yeah, I mean Malachi Starks, 453 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: he's right there. I mean Malachi Stars is one of 454 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 2: I'm with you, one of my favorite players in the draft. 455 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: He's the size might doesn't look great, six' one one ninety, 456 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: seven it's it's. Average the speed four or five, Zero, 457 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 2: okay that's. Average you, know like even if three cone 458 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: wasn't amazing or like the testing won't blow you. Away 459 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: but you watch his film and you see him play 460 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,239 Speaker 2: across the, secondary play as a post, safety play as 461 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: a nickel. Corner you, know they they let him up 462 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: in the box and they'd use him all over the. 463 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: Field and so that versatility that he brings to play 464 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: across the secondary and how smart he is with, coverage different. 465 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: Responsibilities the ball skills are, tremendous go up and get the. 466 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 2: Football you, know he's one of those guys like if 467 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: he falls to The ravens at twenty, seven it's one 468 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 2: of those like come, on like what's going on? Here 469 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: like that that's that's the type of thing that usually 470 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: happens with the with The, ravens you, know like a 471 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: like A linderbaum Or Kyle. Hamilton so if that were to, happen, 472 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: YEAH i. DON'T i don't think if he's on the 473 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: board at twenty, SEVEN i don't think he should be 474 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: on the board at twenty. 475 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: Eight that's So, Raven, yes. 476 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 4: Exactly, Hey i'm A i'm. Curious this is a little 477 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 4: bit more kind of in the. 478 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: Weeds The. 479 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 4: Ravens they have all three of their tight ends this 480 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 4: year going into the last year of the, Contract Mark, 481 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 4: Andhrews Isaiah, Likely Charlie, kohler all those. Guys it was 482 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 4: their third and fourth round. Picks so The ravens have 483 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: this great knack really if you go back to their 484 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 4: history of finding some tight, ends you, know in those 485 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 4: in those middle. Rounds AND i don't know if they're 486 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 4: going to go back to that route again this, year 487 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 4: just knowing those guys are all going into the final 488 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 4: years of their. Contracts but are they mid rounds tight 489 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 4: ends that you could see making sense and. 490 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: That you, Like, yeah, Sure and especially with The ravens 491 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: having so many picks On day, THREE i DON'T i 492 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 2: don't think that'd be a surprise if they spent one 493 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: of them on a tight, end you, Know Mitchell evans 494 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: From Notre dame had AN acl tear last year and 495 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: so this year we saw a little bit of, rust 496 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: but he got better and better throughout the. Season he 497 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: was a big part of Why Notre dame was able 498 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: to make The National championship. Game you feel like he 499 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: has yet to play his best. Football six y, five 500 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty three, pounds decent, athlete catches the ball, 501 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: well really tough. Player we Know alabama or we know 502 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: The ravens Like alabama players and you, know no matter 503 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: who's making the. 504 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: Picks BUT. 505 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: Cj DePree From alabama is a guy that you, know 506 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: the stats don't look, amazing like he wasn't a heavily 507 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: targeted player in that, offense but when he was, targeted 508 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: good things. Happened and you, know he's another one that 509 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: has he passes the size. Test he's six, five two 510 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: hundred fifty six. Pounds he ran in the four to 511 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 2: six is also had one of the best bench press 512 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: numbers thirty two. 513 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: REPS i mean he is a guy. 514 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: That lives in the weight room and you know he's 515 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: another one WHO i don't think we've seen play his best. 516 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: Football so, yeah this is a really good tight end. 517 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: Group we have the guys at the top With Tyler 518 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: warren And Colson, LOVELAND i Love Mason taylor FROM, lsu 519 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 2: and then even on day two With Elijah royo And 520 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: Terrence ferguson and those. Guys but, yeah on day three 521 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: there will be more than a few options that make. 522 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: Sense defensive Line Dane Derek harmon Versus Walter, nolan you 523 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: know who fits what The ravens like to. Do and 524 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: Then Kenneth. Grant you know you have twenty fifth. Overall 525 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: is he despite not having the kind of pass rush 526 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: prowess MAYBE i should, say you, know he's more of 527 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: a big bodied run stopper kind of. Guy do you 528 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: think he's worth the? Pick is he's so dominant as 529 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: a run stopper and can develop as a pass rusher 530 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: that he would be worthy of the twenty seventh. 531 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: Pick, yeah there's a little more of a leap of 532 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: faith with with a guy Like Kenneth, grant because he 533 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: has that size where he can be a stout run, 534 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: stuffer but he also has quickness where he can get 535 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: upfield as. Well so a little bit of an interchangeable defensive. 536 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: Lineman i'm a Big Derek carmon. GUY i think he's 537 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: one of the best players in this, draft a full, 538 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: stop and if he's able to be there at that 539 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: late first, round that that be a steal in my. 540 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: Opinion you, know he's what you love about him as the. 541 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: Versatility you want to line him up at the one, 542 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: technique he can do. That you want to line him 543 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: up as a three over THE b, gap you can do. 544 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: That you line him up as more of a, five no. 545 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 2: Problem he has the, size he has the ability very. 546 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 2: Disruptive no other interior defensive lineman had more pressures this 547 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 2: year Than Derek, carmon so he could get after the 548 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: quarterback now wanted to turn some of those, pressures more 549 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: of those pressures into. 550 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: Sacks needs to get better. 551 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: There but the way that he can really affect what 552 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: the backfield is doing is is tremendous shows up versus the. 553 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: Run he really opened up things for that entire front 554 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 2: seven of That oregon. Defense so if If Derek, CARMON 555 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: i don't think he should get, passed you, know, say 556 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: even like The bengals at, seventeen let's just keep it 557 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 2: THE Afc, NORTH i don't think he should get pass 558 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: The bengals at. Seventeen but if he get if he's 559 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 2: there at twenty one for The, steelers that makes a 560 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: ton of sense for them as. Well so if somehow 561 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: he were there at twenty seven For, BALTIMORE i think 562 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: that's an easy decision for. 563 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: THEM i, say keep him out of THE Afc north 564 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: unless it's in. Purple you. 565 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 4: Know the last one THAT i have for, You dane 566 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 4: is we're talking about all these guys who could, slide 567 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 4: AND i think that's why that The ravens generally like to. 568 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 4: Operate they find somebody who slides down the board for 569 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 4: one reason or. Another like maybe it's maybe it's one 570 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 4: of the, safeties because we've seen that already with the 571 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 4: safety value in the. Position maybe It's Derek, harmon even 572 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 4: though you're maybe throwing a little cold water on that 573 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 4: with some of the other teams in this division potentially 574 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 4: being interested in, Him, like is there a player that 575 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 4: you feel like there's the highest likelihood that he gets 576 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 4: to twenty seven even though he has no busy this being, 577 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: there it would just be too good of a player 578 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 4: for The raves to pass. 579 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 2: Up, well what about a position we haven't talked about? 580 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: Yet And Josh, simmons a left tackle From Ohio state 581 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: who was putting himself in the conversation to BE ot 582 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: one in this class before his knee injury In. October 583 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: so just the medicals are obviously a big part of. 584 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: This the interviews are a big part of. It just 585 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 2: make sure the character is. Great But Josh, simmons in 586 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 2: terms of the, talent he has the ability to be 587 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: a starting left tackle in the league for a long, 588 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: time and so he has a little bit of a 589 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: discount sticker on him because of those. Things but if 590 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: he were to be there at twenty, SEVEN i think 591 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: he makes you, think it really makes you, Consider, okay 592 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: is he worth it at this, point even though you 593 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 2: know maybe with the way that you know what we 594 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: did this, offseason tackle is not a huge need for, 595 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 2: us but we know offensive line is something that we 596 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: should always be investing, in and so that would be 597 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: an interesting one for. Me Walter nolan's another one we 598 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: we just mentioned who is really. Talented just have to 599 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: be convinced that he's you're going to get the most 600 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 2: out of that talent consistently down, in down. Out SO 601 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: i think talent, wise he has no business being there 602 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 2: at twenty. Seven but you, know you have to be 603 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 2: convinced that you know what you're getting with, him and 604 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 2: so maybe The ravens feel better About Walter nolan than 605 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: some other. 606 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 3: Teams you, know who. 607 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: Knows that's why you, know we have all these interviews 608 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: and thirty visits and things like. That so, YEAH i 609 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: think You're you're absolutely. Right that's how The Baltimore ravens will, 610 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: operate and that's how they end up with good players 611 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: consistently as they trust their scouting and even though some 612 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 2: other teams might, pass they feel strongly about the way 613 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: their process. Works AND i wouldn't be surprised that that 614 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: happens again in this year's first. 615 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: Round one other polarizing player THAT i just want to 616 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: point Out Shamar stewart Of TEXAS a AND. M you, 617 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: know you have ninth on your top one. Hundred obviously 618 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: the production questions. There do you think the combine, performance 619 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: the athleticism that there's just no way he could make 620 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: it to twenty seven even despite the, sticker you, know 621 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: because of the. 622 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: Production, yeah it's tough because you wanted to have, sacks 623 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: but he led the team in pressures and you have 624 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: to see how he was used in the context of 625 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: what he was asked to do in that, defense and 626 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 2: so that changes the math a little. Bit and so 627 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: that's why he's been a popular guyer in thirty visits and, 628 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: interviews trying to figure him. 629 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: Out another really young player who you know, What i'm. 630 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: Willing to bet on the pashwasher, Upside not every team 631 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: sees it that, way and so there's definitely a lot 632 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: of split opinion On Schimur. Stewart he could go top, 633 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: fifteen he could be on the board when The ravens, 634 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: pick AND i don't Think i'd be really surprised at either. 635 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: Outcome, well thank you so, Much. Dean, hey we really appreciate. 636 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: It, Now, hey pleasure is on. MINE i really enjoyed. 637 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: It you. 638 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: Know it's The ravens get better every year on the draft, 639 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: weekend And i'm sure it's going to be the same this. 640 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 1: Year oh so thanks for taking the, Time. 641 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: Dan thanks, guys. 642 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 4: You're listening to the last podcast where you're coming to 643 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 4: you from The Sea geek. Studio we want to mention 644 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: our partners With draftking Sports. Book they are an official 645 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 4: sports betting partner of The Baltimore Ravens draftking. 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Morning so 656 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 4: we've been working the draft experts. Circuit how does this 657 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 4: make you feel about the direction that The ravens could? 658 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: Go, OH i think it doubling down on My Malachi starks. 659 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: Efforts uh, YEAH i think that we're on the right 660 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: path and and other people see it the same. WAY 661 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: i think what's going to be really interesting to me 662 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: is That Edge rusher, group you, know the Mikel, williams 663 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: The Donovan, Ezraku, yeah you. Know, uh and so that 664 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: group and Does Shamar stewart get to twenty seven those three? 665 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: PLAYERS i think that could. BE i always feel like 666 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: every year as we get closer to The ravens draft 667 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: and we're, like all, Right ravens are five, away here's 668 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: seven players they still might really. Like, yeah like you 669 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: could see multiple of. THOSE i just think it's gonna 670 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: be one of those drafts where it's, like man As, 671 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: rock you's still on the. Board so and so is 672 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: still on the. Board you, Know James pierce is still 673 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: on the. Board the safeties are still on the, board 674 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: and like it's kind of who do you like better 675 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: pick your. 676 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 4: Flavor, YEAH i think that IF i guess you're watching 677 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 4: the draft On thursday, night you there's always a handful 678 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 4: of those guys that you like want to just just keep. 679 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 4: Way quarterbacks go in, front you, know players possession and 680 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 4: dart let's come on. 681 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: Down the running. 682 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 4: Backs the running backs go because you know they. Go 683 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 4: there's multiple first round running, Backs like all that stuff, 684 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 4: happens and then you have these players that end up 685 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 4: getting pushed the safeties and then also LIKE i think 686 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 4: of clumps of positions and sometimes you can see a 687 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 4: run that happens and it's, like if you're five picks 688 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 4: away and both safeties are still on the, BOARD i 689 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 4: feel good about being able to get one of them 690 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: and if one of them, goes If Nicki minori goes at, 691 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 4: fifteen they say the. 692 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 3: Stars is going to make it to. 693 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: Twenty sit right, Exactly. 694 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 4: So all of that is part of. IT i really 695 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 4: do think, That LIKE i think that The, ravens as 696 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 4: they look at, it they're not going to be too 697 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 4: pressed on. POSITION i think both of us are leaning. 698 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 4: DEFENSE i would be if we sit here right, Now 699 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 4: i'd be surprised if they went offense in the first, 700 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 4: round even offensive, line LIKE i would be. Surprised he 701 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 4: Mentioned simmons From Ohio state just would surprise me given 702 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 4: the fact that they Resigned Ronnie, stanley so that would surprise. 703 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 4: ME i think it's going to be. Defense but like 704 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 4: whether That's Derek harmon or Maybe Walter nolan or one 705 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 4: of the safeties Or JOHN. 706 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: D barron at. 707 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 4: CORNER i don't think, that like there's really a wrong answer. 708 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: There, YEAH i. AGREE i think The ravens are going 709 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: to have a lot of good. Options do they trade, 710 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: back trade, out trade out the first? ROUND i don't think. 711 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 4: So, NO i don't think that will. 712 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: Happen, okay all, right they have eleven, picks so it's 713 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: not like they need a lot. 714 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 4: More, YEAH i don't really think that's going to be the. 715 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 4: Case the only scenario WHERE i think that that potentially 716 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: could end up happening is if there was somebody looking 717 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 4: to move back in and get a quarterback and they 718 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: could and they felt like they could get a ton 719 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 4: of value of from a team coming up from the second. 720 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 4: Round if as a quarterback sliding who someone wants to 721 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 4: come up and. 722 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: Get right, right AND i think that there's more of a. 723 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: Chance you, know we get a lot of questions about 724 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: could The ravens trade, up could they trade, back and 725 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: all this. Stuff you, know all the, analysts Including danes 726 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: seem to say there's not a huge gap in talent 727 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: level between the eleventh player and the forty fifth, player you, 728 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: know and, so but there's at some point there's kind 729 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: of that shelf there in the second mid second. Round 730 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: could The ravens move up in the second a little? 731 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: Bit if let's, say want To Nick gorton is kind 732 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: of sliding down there and they didn't address pass rusher 733 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: in the first, round could they move up in the? 734 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: SECOND i could see, That, yeah. 735 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 4: Potentially, yeah of, course moving up in the second comes 736 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 4: at a much steeper discount and moving up in the 737 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 4: first or obvious. Reasons so you could do that considering 738 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 4: you have eleven picks and not give up too. MUCH 739 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 4: i think that that possibility. Exists so and the other 740 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 4: THING i would say that like where The ravens could 741 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 4: move up in the first round is if it's the 742 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 4: inverse of what we just talked. About you're looking at 743 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 4: it and it's, like, hey both safeties are, gone cornerbacks 744 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 4: getting kind of plucked. Clean there's like one, guy you, 745 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 4: know one of the defensive tackles has, gone and it's, like, 746 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 4: hey you've got to move up and get one of 747 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 4: these defensive. Tackles, like if that's the, situation maybe The 748 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 4: ravens try to move up a few. Spots we're not 749 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 4: talking about going from twenty seven to fifteen, here but 750 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 4: maybe if you can go from twenty seven to twenty 751 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 4: four if they feel like they're not a guy's not 752 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 4: going to be. THERE i think it's, unlikely but that's 753 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 4: the scenario WHERE i could see them potentially moving. 754 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: Up, yep, well big. Things Dame brugler From The athletic 755 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: make sure you go check out the yeah and so much. 756 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: Information it'll take you weeks to get through all, that 757 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: but by the end of it you'll be a draft. 758 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 4: Expert, yeah you'll be an Expert thursday night for the 759 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 4: drafts here in a. 760 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: Couple of weeks, Exactly so thank you to. Him as, 761 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: always you can reach us at the lounge At ravens 762 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: DOT nfl dot net and, when As garrett, teased we'll 763 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: be back with You monday with mel kiper junior OF. 764 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: Espn you'll want to check that. Out thanks for. Listening