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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks DJ Bucky back with you, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I love, I love you. Got the Granada Hills charter

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Speaker 1: shirt on you see I'm wrapping?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I did. And in fact, it was funny. You beat

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Speaker 2: me to the punch the other day. I saw that

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Speaker 2: the Mountaineers have some shiny new uniforms that they were

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Speaker 2: putting out there. I saw like the all white, I

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Speaker 2: saw the black uniforms, I saw the little stuff. And

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Speaker 2: before I could even text you, I saw that you

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Speaker 2: had already retweeted it. You beat me to the punch

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Speaker 2: because I saw it on some website. It was on

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Speaker 2: Twitter day and put it out there, and I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: let me just let me just make this.

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Speaker 1: Let me make this pleap because I'm sure we got

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Speaker 1: folks that are excited about the new NCAA game coming

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Speaker 1: out nca twenty five. It's been ten years since that

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Speaker 1: game has been in existence, and you've got a chance

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Speaker 1: to grab any team you want, build your dynasty, and

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Speaker 1: off you go.

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you.

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Speaker 1: That virtual boon, and I've been told this by the

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Speaker 1: boon is off is off the charts, man, So you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to have sweet uniforms. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: So you can tell me, you can tell me what

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Speaker 2: you get to walk away with a great degree, can

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Speaker 2: be able to get any job, fortune, five hundred companies.

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Speaker 2: You can put the whole thing in dynasty mode like

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Speaker 2: you got a full recruiting life.

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Speaker 3: Feel okay, come on a.

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Speaker 2: Forty year decision. YadA, YadA, YadA. It's not four years.

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Speaker 2: It's forty forty year decision that you're gonna make me

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Speaker 1: If you're coming here in Mountaineer, it's gonna be my

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Speaker 1: litmus test for the game. If they have the sign,

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Speaker 1: which was which I think they still have, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like Notre Dame has to play like a champion today.

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Speaker 1: Touch the time we had the it was like an

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Speaker 1: and it was a state of North Carolina, and it

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Speaker 1: says today I gave my all for Appalachian State.

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Speaker 3: I touched that sign off we go out onto the field.

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious as a game if it has that that,

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Speaker 2: You know, I've always liked that. I do like I

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Speaker 2: do like rituals. I do like the touch thing, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna touch the rock and were committed to give

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Speaker 2: the best effort of whatever whatever the touch thing is.

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Speaker 2: You know, Unfortunately in North Carolina, there was nothing that

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Speaker 3: I didn't touch basketball on the way out to the football.

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Speaker 2: We should have. We should have. We should have. We

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Speaker 2: We should we should You know what I would if

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Speaker 2: I've always been envious of teams you talk about Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: I will say, Buck, this is I can tell when

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Speaker 1: I'm ready for football season because I find myself like

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Speaker 1: looking at Week one schedules like college NFL. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: They were at Big twelve me to day and I'm

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Speaker 2: I can kind of feel it coming on. And you

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Speaker 2: to fourth of July, everyone knows we're downhill the stars.

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Speaker 2: And I think with in the NFL, like a couple

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Speaker 2: and I love it. I love all of it.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's jump into some of these fan questions.

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Speaker 1: Nebill has pulled a bunch out of the pile here,

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the first one. First question, this is

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Speaker 1: a good one. This is from JT. Busco. I better

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Speaker 1: All right, when you and Bucky Brooks are on the road,

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Speaker 1: what were your favorite schools to visit for any reason?

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Speaker 2: Favorite schools to visit for any reason? Okay, so one,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kil Poly Baseball. Kil Poly Slow was the only

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had, you know, for those who don't know,

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Speaker 1: Who's going to be creative? Who's going to do something

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Speaker 2: It's going to change roster composition, composition in terms of

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Speaker 2: That's wells were talking about quarterbacks. The other storyline that's

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Speaker 2: actually brought up the collegiate thing because I think everyone

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Speaker 2: should understand that these colleges now are operating like NFL teams.

437
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Speaker 2: Every high Division one team has a general manager who

438
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Speaker 2: really is like a general manager, International Football League, roster management,

439
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Speaker 2: talent acquisition, talent evaluation. They're doing all of those things.

440
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Speaker 2: And when we talk about evaluating high school players as

441
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Speaker 2: they go from high school to college, those same guys

442
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Speaker 2: that you're evaluating now you're going to be talking about

443
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Speaker 2: a few years as a pro. And so as you

444
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Speaker 2: begin to hone your eye and kind of master your craft.

445
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Speaker 2: In that regard, you're also seeing the next generation kind

446
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Speaker 2: of blossom right before your eyes. And you've heard us

447
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Speaker 2: talk about high school X Floyd's how people transition. All

448
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 2: of that stuff matters when you're putting it together. So

449
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. And then the final thing. Two

450
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Speaker 2: things you said. One, just get in the building. I

451
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Speaker 2: was in Green Bay as a player when Jim Naggy

452
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Speaker 2: was a PR intern who worked his way over to

453
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Speaker 2: being able to kind of like burning the midnight or

454
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Speaker 2: with John Snyder and those guys learning how to do

455
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Speaker 2: the craft. I was also shoot man Trent Kurston and

456
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Speaker 2: Seattle started as an intern. I know Joe Shane at Carolina,

457
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Speaker 2: he was on maybe the ticket side and what kind

458
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Speaker 2: of moonlight. The number one thing that you want to

459
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Speaker 2: do is give yourself an opportunity. And the only way

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Speaker 2: you have an opportunity is to be in the building.

461
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Speaker 2: Once you get in the building, you let your dreams

462
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Speaker 2: be known in a very respectful way, and then you

463
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Speaker 2: find a way to kind of double dip. You find

464
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Speaker 2: a way to work after your regular shift goes. You

465
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Speaker 2: volunteer those late night hours to see if you can

466
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Speaker 2: help yourself land and opportunity down the line. Yep.

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Speaker 1: We had somebody who was with the Cleveland Browns was there,

468
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Speaker 1: who was working on the PR side, and you know

469
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Speaker 1: it was was interning, I believe, on the PR side.

470
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Speaker 1: And he went down to our general manager and said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing PR from nine to five every day and

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Speaker 1: my internship, but once five o'clock ends, I'm yours. You

473
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Speaker 1: can ask me to do anything. You want me to

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Speaker 1: run to the airport to pick somebody up. You need

475
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Speaker 1: me to organize you know, files in your in your

476
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Speaker 1: filing cabinet, you need me to print out new cards

477
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, for your boards whatever, you know.

478
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm already here. You don't have to pay

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Speaker 1: me anything. I don't want any money. I just want

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Speaker 1: the experience. And then he showed that type of drive

481
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Speaker 1: and that type of purpose and uh and that ended

482
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Speaker 1: up him getting hired on the staff there and since

483
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Speaker 1: been in the league for all probably over twenty years now.

484
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Speaker 1: So again, that's that's some good advice there. All right, buck,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the next one here. I'm gonna skip

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Speaker 1: this next one. Go all right, let's go to this

487
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Speaker 1: next one here. Does Jordan Love regress this season, or

488
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Speaker 1: does he take the Packers offense to a different level

489
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Speaker 1: as he mint cements himself as a top five quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. So basically the question is is he

491
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Speaker 1: is he stinker? Is he the best player of all time?

492
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Speaker 1: Those are the those are parameters there?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I would say, there's no straight lines when it comes

495
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Speaker 2: to player development. I think he would be a better player,

496
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Speaker 2: but it may not be reflected in his numbers. The

497
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Speaker 2: more experience that he has, the more things that he

498
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Speaker 2: goes through, it's only going to help him be a

499
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Speaker 2: better player down the line. Look, the hype around Jordan

500
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Speaker 2: Love is real, but we got to remember he got

501
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Speaker 2: hot in the last half of the season. The difference

502
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Speaker 2: between good and great in this league is consistency. Can

503
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Speaker 2: he consistently play at the level that we saw him

504
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Speaker 2: play the last half of the season. That is the challenge.

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Speaker 2: I'm optimistic that he can get there, but man, it

506
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Speaker 2: is hard to do it over the course of a

507
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Speaker 2: seventeen game season to play at the level that he finished.

508
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Speaker 2: I would say that he plays not quite at that level.

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Speaker 2: But I think the Packers have a good season because

510
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Speaker 2: they're a really, really good team.

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Speaker 1: I think this whole group's growing up together, and you know,

512
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Speaker 1: I don't see the descending players in that group. A

513
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Speaker 1: lot of times you see aquarter back take a step back,

514
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Speaker 1: You're like, wow, they lost the coordinator, the play caller.

515
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Speaker 1: They had some key losses in free agency, be it

516
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Speaker 1: at weapons, offensive line, what have you. This whole group

517
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Speaker 1: is young and just growing together and getting better. They've

518
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Speaker 1: got the same play caller there on the floor. I

519
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Speaker 1: think they're going to build off what they did. So

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to continue to climb and be better.

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Speaker 1: And what a great reminder as well. I know this

522
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Speaker 1: wasn't the question, but the different the different development plans.

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Speaker 1: How about patients, man, how about just having some patients.

524
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Speaker 1: I find it fascinating that, like the different paths. Right,

525
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Speaker 1: you had him and Herbert coming out, and we kind

526
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Speaker 1: of went back and forth on that, like who was

527
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Speaker 1: the better between those guys. You know, Herbert was kind

528
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Speaker 1: of more the steady Eddy. Remember Love had the great

529
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Speaker 1: year before and then the supporting cast was down and

530
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Speaker 1: he cratered his last year and then Herbert gets off

531
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Speaker 1: to this hot start and Herbert's you know, established himself

532
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Speaker 1: as a premier player. We haven't even seen love play.

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Speaker 1: But then once Love started to get out there after

534
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Speaker 1: having you know, some patients and some foresight as an organization,

535
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Speaker 1: now you look at where those guys are heading into

536
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Speaker 1: this season. Their neck and neck man, So it's you know,

537
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Speaker 1: it's a great reminder that let's not be in such

538
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Speaker 1: a rush to label these guys have some patience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, DJ, I think that's the thing that we don't

540
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Speaker 2: afford a lot of young quarterbacks. We expect him to

541
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Speaker 2: kind of come in the league and take it by storm,

542
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Speaker 2: almost as if they're like instant grits, you know, poor

543
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Speaker 2: little water put on the stove and then they go.

544
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Speaker 2: But it doesn't work like that. And I think for

545
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Speaker 2: some players, like a CJ. Shroud, he was able to

546
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Speaker 2: jump in the league and in a situation that many

547
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Speaker 2: of us didn't think that he would flourish in, and

548
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Speaker 2: he looked he was dominant. Bryce Young goes to a

549
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Speaker 2: different situation, gets off to a slower start, and DJ

550
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Speaker 2: I would say, one of the biggest stories of the

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Speaker 2: off season is we have not talked much about a

552
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Speaker 2: former number one overall pick in Bryce Young. He has

553
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Speaker 2: been surpassed by c. J.

554
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Speaker 3: Stroud.

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Speaker 2: People are talking about Anthony Richardson, They're talking about Will Levis.

556
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Speaker 3: No One, Williams this year's number one.

557
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Speaker 2: No one is talking about Bryce Young And it just

558
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Speaker 2: goes to show you that how quickly narratives and things

559
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Speaker 2: shift in this league. I think we've got to give

560
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Speaker 2: grace to young players. It takes a while for everyone

561
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Speaker 2: to kind of find their way, and you have to

562
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Speaker 2: always as a scout, you always want to kind of

563
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Speaker 2: lean to the side of optimism, right environment, white situation,

564
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Speaker 2: right circumstance. This player could be X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 2: You want to always kind of lean towards dad, kind

566
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Speaker 2: of to crush people until you absolutely have seen enough

567
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Speaker 2: to be like, hey, it's just not go work for

568
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Speaker 2: this guy in this league.

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Speaker 1: I know, look we don't have you know, it shouldn't be.

570
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Speaker 1: I guess in our roles rooting for this team, that team,

571
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Speaker 1: we root for players. He's easy to root for, man

572
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Speaker 1: like I hope I hope that Bryce, you know, and

573
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Speaker 1: we see some progress there and some growth there. Awful

574
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Speaker 1: situation he was put into. So I'm hoping that we

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Speaker 1: see a step there as they get a little bit

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Speaker 1: better around him, a little more stable, that we'll see

577
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Speaker 1: a better performance there, let's do one more than we'll

578
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Speaker 1: take a quick break care Buck, realistic expectations for Quinny

579
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Speaker 1: and Mitchell and Terry and Arnold's rookies. Do you think

580
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Speaker 1: either one will end up his cornerback one this year

581
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Speaker 1: on teams with Super Bowl aspiration? Man, let me ask

582
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Speaker 1: you this first, Buck, let me let me rephrase that

583
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Speaker 1: a little bit as someone who in the NFL or

584
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Speaker 1: those who don't know, Buck, you played on both sides

585
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Speaker 1: of the ball. You played receiver, you've played corner. Which

586
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Speaker 1: of those positions do you think is more challenging as

587
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Speaker 1: a year one player to come into the league, you.

588
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Speaker 2: Know, as weird as it may seem, DJ, I actually

589
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Speaker 2: think why receiver can be more challenging because it's such

590
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Speaker 2: a different game on offense in the pros than it

591
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Speaker 2: is in college. Like, yeah, you can force feed the

592
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Speaker 2: ball to young players, but in terms of route running,

593
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Speaker 2: if you're han't like learned hot routes and sighted just

594
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: for the first time, that can be difficult to process

595
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: on the island. I think at dB you can get

596
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: away with a little bit your athleticism more reactionary, right,

597
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: so reaction you can get away with that, Like provided

598
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Speaker 2: that the system is pretty light. I think for the

599
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Speaker 2: guys that we're talking about, man terrific athletes but also technicians,

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Speaker 2: I would expect them to have a level of success early.

601
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Speaker 2: But let's let let's let's be frank. They have the

602
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Speaker 2: kind of success that Sauce Gardner had. That's uncommon. I

603
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: think it's uncommon for a young cornerback to come into

604
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Speaker 2: the league and be able to blanket and be a

605
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Speaker 2: number one. But I think both of those guys can

606
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Speaker 2: come in and be a solid number two. I saw

607
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Speaker 2: the complimentary starter in the defensive back.

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Speaker 1: The Yeah, I think they're both gonna you know, I

609
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: have high expectations for both. I'll put it that way.

610
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Speaker 1: Those are my top two corners in the draft last year.

611
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Speaker 1: And I will say Quinya and Mitchell's played a ton

612
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Speaker 1: of football, even add the Senior Bowl on top of that.

613
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Speaker 1: You know, with the amount of ball that he's played,

614
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Speaker 1: so I think he comes as a very polished player.

615
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: We saw that in the one on ones. They're just

616
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Speaker 1: pure cover skills. So I'm optimistic there with him, and

617
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: then with Terry and Arnold. Look at the coaching that

618
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Speaker 1: he's had. You know, he's had NFL coaching since he

619
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Speaker 1: got to Alabama. So I think you're going to see

620
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Speaker 1: I think you're going to see two kids who play

621
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Speaker 1: above maybe what you would expect a rookie to do,

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Speaker 1: and Sauce is Sauce on different level just in terms

623
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Speaker 1: of he's such a physical freak.

624
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Speaker 3: He's so big and so long and so loose.

625
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: That was such a rare, rare combination that he had

626
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Speaker 1: that he was He's on a different like he's I

627
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: gave him a different grade than the other two. So

628
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put that expectation on them. But

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Speaker 1: I think they're both going to be really good.

630
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they can be really good. And I

631
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: would say this about Tearing On a lot of it

632
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: is he has the advantage of having a teammate who

633
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: has success there in Brian Brant and just being able

634
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: to have those conversations and have them kind of work

635
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: it out together knowing each other. I think that should

636
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: help him kind of acclimate to that, to the game

637
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: and to the defense fairly quickly. He's a good player.

638
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: They're just kind of to me different kind of players.

639
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: Because you talk about Quinna Mitchell just being a freak

640
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: athlete who just kind of has the it factor. I

641
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: think Arnold is just a rock solid player, and there's

642
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: a little difference in grade when it comes to rock

643
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: solid than someone who has special tricks.

644
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: Now, no doubt. Well, we'll see, we'll see what those

645
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Speaker 3: guys look like. Let's take a quick break, we come back.

646
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Speaker 1: We'll jump into some more of these listener questions right

647
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Speaker 1: after the break. All right, buck, let's keep it coming here.

648
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Next question here, this is with speed becoming such an

649
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: emphasis over size on defense, do you see a market

650
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: correction type change in the NFL where teams go back

651
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Speaker 1: to pounding the rock and emphasizing the run game or

652
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: has that ship sailed?

653
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: No? I think people will go back to that. But

654
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: I think we had a conversation on the podcast earlier

655
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: this week where were talking about twelve personnel. I don't

656
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: think we'll see a radical shift where people are going

657
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: old school in terms of, hey, we're gonna bring the

658
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: four back back and go back twenty one. But I

659
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: think twelve personnel is going to be the way that

660
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators look to create advantages against the light fast

661
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: defenses that are being deployed, and if you have the

662
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: tied ends that are able to block, they can create problems.

663
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: So I do think we see it kind of come

664
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: back to people are running the football or playing a

665
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: little more power oriented football. But I think they're going

666
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: to do it in a different way than like the

667
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: eighties three yards in a cloud or dust. I think

668
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: it's more creative with multiple tied ends on the field,

669
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: trying to figure out ways to really put that light

670
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: nickel and those light linebackers in a bune by being

671
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: able to come at them with run past options in

672
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: those things.

673
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna ask me kind of what the

674
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: next wave is, what's the next uh, what's the next

675
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of sea change that we see? I think we're

676
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: already seeing it, and I know and talking to some

677
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: coaches and we talked about this a little bit in

678
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: the run up to the draft, but people are kind

679
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: of asking, Okay, let's along the lines of this question,

680
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: how you know, does this impact the linebackers? Does this

681
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: mean we're going to get the big, bruising backs, Like,

682
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: how is this? How is this going to change? How

683
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: are teams going to zig when the rest of the

684
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: league's been zagging for all these years and getting smaller

685
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: and faster in those things. I think it's two positions

686
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: in one position on offense and one position on defense

687
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: that we're seeing impacted. I remember telling you this story,

688
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: but I was talking to an offensive minded head coach

689
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: and he was saying, we're trying to find our Jawan

690
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: Jennings that the Niners have the physical slot. That's that's

691
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: literally not the experceiver. That's X factor. That is the

692
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: one who changes things because he can win in the

693
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: past game. But then also if I need him to

694
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: dig somebody out in the run game, I can dig

695
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: him out.

696
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: I think about the.

697
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: McVeigh, Shanahan tree, dense formations like that. That is a

698
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: valuable player. So when you're saying like our team's gonna

699
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: change and try and go to bully ball versus all

700
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: the speed, that's the offensive position, and then on defense

701
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: to match that, we're seeing big Nickel. We've seen that

702
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: over the last and full of years, and I think

703
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: even more teams are trying to get away from Okay,

704
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to throw my five, eight hundred and

705
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: eighty pound cover Nickel in there, who I've just said

706
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: is not big enough to play outside. We kick him

707
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: inside because he's gonna get the snot beat out of him.

708
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: So I need somebody with almost safety size, with corner

709
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: cover skills that I can put in there that can

710
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: hold up versus the run if they're going to try

711
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: and run at me, and then also that I can

712
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: miror and match some of these whiteouts. But I think

713
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: those two positions are the most that are going to

714
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: be impacted by that question.

715
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: And to that point, DJ, I think you can see

716
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: teams carry multiple nickels. As we said, I think you're

717
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: gonna see teams have a designated corner that is the

718
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: nickel corner. But then there's also going to be a

719
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: player in the defensive backfield that is your nickel safety,

720
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: that is the big nickel, And depending on matchup, you

721
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: may see the big nickel more this week and then

722
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: the little nickel more next week as they figure out

723
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: how do we best match up with the way that

724
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: this offense is going to attack us. So more dbs

725
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: on rosters, more guys that can play inside. And look,

726
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: we always think about the game kind of like floating

727
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: down actually is to trickle up. College is the last

728
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: three or four years we've heard everyone being placed at

729
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: the star position, which is the term for the nickel

730
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: positioning college. We're gonna see more safeties and corners kind

731
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: of vie for that nickel, and they're going to play

732
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: based on matchups as opposed to, oh, this is always

733
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Speaker 2: my nickel defender. You're gonna have a bunch of different

734
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Speaker 2: ways that you can get to the nickel package.

735
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Speaker 1: I'd be curious, and I think they can do this

736
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: with all the stats that we can pull. I'll ask

737
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Speaker 1: our buddies. I'll ask Bill Smith about this, who does

738
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: all the next gen stuff? And I'll ask Jack Andrad

739
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: about this. Who is our researcher extraordinaire.

740
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Speaker 2: But I'd be.

741
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: Curious to know the number of slot receiver snaps and

742
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: nickel snaps of players over two hundred pounds and how

743
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: that is trending, Like are we seeing more and more?

744
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: Because forever right your little slot receiver was one hundred

745
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and eighty pounds, your nickel corner might be one hundred

746
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: and eighty five pounds. I feel like I know when

747
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: talking to a lot of teams, they're trying to find

748
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: the bigger guys for those two spots. I'd be curious, like,

749
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: what's the average weight of the players who line up

750
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: in the slot on offense and defense and has it

751
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: changed or is it trending.

752
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: Now the DJ I think it has changed, but I

753
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: think it has changed in a way that we're talking about.

754
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: We're seeing more three safety packages. We've seen that. You

755
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: you watched that. You saw how Brandon Stay used to

756
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: use Derwin and how Darwin dropped them down, would drop down,

757
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: and the thing. More teams are utilizing three safety looks

758
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: and they also have in their back pocket, oh hey

759
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: this week, we need to have three corners on the field.

760
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: To me, I would say it has trended up to

761
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: like a bigger presence where look that that nickel player

762
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: is a hybrid safety linebacker type. He's athletic enough to

763
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: cover tight ends, uh slot receivers, may be end zone,

764
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: but he also has the ability to be a physical player.

765
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton kind of strikes me as one of the

766
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: new prototypes that can play that position. Yeah, so I

767
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: think it certainly has trended up to being more of

768
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: a two oh five two ten position as opposed to

769
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: a the little light one eighty five corner jumping in

770
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: there trying to throw his body around.

771
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Speaker 1: I know that's a great question. I appreciate that one

772
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: gave us a good conversation there. What are your thoughts

773
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: of Will Levis after his rookie year compared to when

774
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: he entered the draft?

775
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: So Will Eves was a tough evaluation for me because

776
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: I felt like he was more project than prospect, meaning

777
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: that he had intriguing traits, but you didn't see the

778
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: game translate enough to feel confident that he could be

779
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: your franchise player. This year is really big for Will

780
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: Levis because they've surrounded him with veteran playmakers that can

781
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: get the job done for him. DeAndre Hopkins, Calvin Ridley

782
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: been there. He has route runners, he has people that

783
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: can uncover. He also has people that can win those

784
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty balls. Now, what I want to see

785
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: is how does he take his game up of notes?

786
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: Can he be a more accurate thrower? Can he be

787
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: a guy that look it not comparing him to Josh Allen,

788
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: But can the playmakers help him become a more accurate

789
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 2: passer as he also develops the mastery of managing the game.

790
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: Because if you can do that, he certainly is talented

791
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: enough to create problems for opponents that have to deal

792
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: with that Titans offense.

793
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I thought of, you know, kind of what

794
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: I would expect. You saw some wild throws from him

795
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: last year, and I want to say the Texans game,

796
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: I think you had two or three touchdowns. You saw.

797
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: You really saw what he's capable of. He can drive it.

798
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: It's big play ability. I think you're going to have

799
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: to be patient with him in terms of the underneath

800
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: and intermediate stuff, just being consistent and efficient. But I

801
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: think in terms of blasting the ball downfield, taking shots

802
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: and being aggressive, he's talented.

803
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: Man.

804
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: He's got a big arm. And I kind of like

805
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: the fact. I like the fact for him that he

806
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: didn't go I mean, we're talking about him going with

807
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: the fourth pick to the to the Colts. They took

808
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. He falls out of the first round. I

809
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: think that actually worked his benefit a little bit, because

810
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: it is the talent is there, but you're going to

811
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: require a little bit of patience, and I think there's

812
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: a different patience. You know, when you're you know, when

813
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: you're top five pick. You don't get that when you're

814
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: when you fall out of the first round. I think

815
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: there's a little more patience there. And this is a

816
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: team to be honest with you, Buck with with some talent,

817
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, offensively, not no expectations. I mean, nobody

818
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: expects them to do anything, especially Derrick Henry Levin, you know,

819
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: new coach coming in. I like the fact that you've got,

820
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Callahan there with his son to help

821
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: that offensive line grow and develop. But I think he's

822
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: in a good spot. I think if you're a fan

823
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: of the Titans, or you're a fan individually of Will Levis,

824
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: I think you feel good about where things are right now.

825
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I think you certainly should feel

826
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: good about where things stand with him. They've really gone

827
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: all in and Brian Callahan being able to take the

828
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: lessons that he learned from his time in Cincinnati working

829
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow, getting Jake Browning ready to play. There's

830
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: a level of adaptability that he's displayed in terms of

831
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: being the offense coordinat even though he wasn't a play caller. Still,

832
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: to put together an offense for a backup quarterback shows

833
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: that you have the ability to change lanes if you

834
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: need to. So for Will Levis, that bowls will to me.

835
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: I'm still worried because I wonder how they own the

836
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: football and take some of the pressure off of him

837
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: having to be the primary playmaker. But in due time

838
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: we may see them do some different things creatively to

839
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: put together that run game that can take a lot

840
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: of burden off of him having to throw at thirty

841
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: five to forty times a game.

842
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: No doubt.

843
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: All Right, a couple more here, let's go. This is

844
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: a fun one here in buck. Who's the most wow

845
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: prospect you have studied on each side of the ball.

846
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be the best player you've ever scoted,

847
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: but who had the biggest wow factor in your eyes?

848
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, I'm gonna say this on offense, and he

849
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: didn't turn out to be the player that I thought,

850
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say this. I don't know if there

851
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 2: was a better prospect I saw than Reggie Bush when

852
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: he was at USC. The wow factor was immense. DJ

853
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: I just remember writing in my report that Reggie Bush

854
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: is a combination of Marshall Falk and Brian Westbrook, and

855
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: I just remember thinking that he was going to take

856
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: the leak by storm that in the right like if

857
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: Reggie Bush played in today's game, I think Reggie Bush

858
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: would have lived up to the expectations that many of

859
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: the scouts on the West Coast had for him because

860
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: the game is more open now and so his body type,

861
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: his frame, what he does really well in terms of

862
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: running and catching and being on the perimeter. I absolutely

863
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: believed that he could be that combination player that I

864
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: thought he would be, but he was the wild factor

865
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: on offense and then on defense. I'm gonna say this

866
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: watching Julius Peppers, one watching him in the draft, but

867
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: two going to Carolina and watching him develop and knowing

868
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: that this was a guy who was a half football

869
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: half basketball player, but it was so easy for him

870
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: and just how his game just took off at the

871
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: next level. It really leads me. It led me to

872
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: always value traits and pass rushers, size, length, athleticism. There's

873
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: something about that that you can teach some of the

874
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: other stuff. But if they have those things, those tools

875
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: coming off the box, off the bus, they have a

876
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: chance to be really dominant players in the league.

877
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: Those are great. I've told it many times. Reggie Bush

878
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: was the only eight oh grade that I ever gave,

879
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: which was a perfect grade. Never did it again. I'm like,

880
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this anymore. And obviously Reggie didn't end

881
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: up being that perfect player, but he was easily the

882
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: most like exciting, I'd use the word intoxicating, like like

883
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: it was insane going to those games seeing him live.

884
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: Whatever you thought it looked like on TV, when you

885
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: were in the coliseum and you saw that live, there

886
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: was nothing like it.

887
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: He was unbelievable.

888
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: So in terms of excitement, every time he touched the

889
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: ball you thought he might score, that would be an

890
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: obvious one for me. I'll say I'll give you another one.

891
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: Going and watching Calvin Johnson in person and just seeing

892
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: him how big and fast and athletic and smooth like

893
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: he was. It was a lot of wow factor there

894
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: with him on the offensive side of the ball, scouting

895
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: him defensively. I'm going to give you two names that

896
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would have anticipated. The first one

897
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: is someone who had missed time. I think he had

898
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: torn an aco in his last year, didn't play much

899
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: in college, but Antonio Cromarty's tape of Florida State he

900
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: was a like like just imagine Sauce Gardener, but a

901
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: little a little stronger, with unbelievable ball skills. Like unbelievable

902
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: ball skills and a little faster too, like he was

903
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: he was a freak and unbelievable talent. And then the tape,

904
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: like just the plays that he made on the ball,

905
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: there weren't a lot that you didn't get a lot

906
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: to see with him in terms of the volume, but

907
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: it was crazy. And the other one, I would say,

908
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: the wow factor, which if you're going to say, and

909
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: this is a different way to look at it, Buck,

910
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: but if if you were in a if you were

911
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: in there for meetings and you were watching a little

912
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: extra tape, like back in our day, you'd have to

913
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: get the beta tapes, put him in there, and you

914
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: watching tape in your little scouts room. Like I can't

915
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: remember pulling other scouts over to say, Bob Sanders, you

916
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: gotta watch you gotta watch this. This is a different

917
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: time where you allowed to hit a little bit more

918
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: than you are today. But like just in terms of

919
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: flying around and like literally when you're watching and you

920
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: can see me here, Buck, but like how many times

921
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: when you're sitting there you're just watching it and you

922
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: literally go back and like you like fall back in

923
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: your chair, like it's it's jarring. It was jarring to

924
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: watch how fast and explosive he was. He was an

925
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: unbelievable player at Iowa.

926
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: And I just remember him being muscled up. I think

927
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: it was down to the Senior Bowl. I mean really straps.

928
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean he is look, he was short. But I

929
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: remember at the Senior Bowl, like DJ, He's out there

930
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: playing corner and one on ones and doing all that

931
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: other stuff. And then to think about someone his size

932
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: moving inside, like playing safety and being a guy that

933
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: was a difference maker for the Indianapolis coast when he

934
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: was available. This dude, Like, I mean, we have seen

935
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: guys and I think Budda Baker was in outstanding prospect

936
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: and we loved him. But even in watching Buddha Baker man,

937
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: it pales in comparison to what Bob Centers was at

938
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: his best. When you just think about like how he

939
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: just came and just came down here and hit people

940
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: like just he is different. I mean he's he's definitely

941
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: jumped off the screen when you watch the tap.

942
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

943
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: No, he was fun and then from like he was

944
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: not I had one more name on here because I

945
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: didn't scout him in college. But when I got to

946
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens every Monday, when we would watch tape

947
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Ogden and seeing him a person and literally

948
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: having been someone who weighed him in and he was

949
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: six nine at times three seventy maybe well maybe even

950
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: you know right around there, three sixty five, three seventy.

951
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: To see him, you know, when he wanted to to

952
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: run and pick off corners at the third level on

953
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: screens and things, You're like, that is some freaky stuff, man,

954
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: that is different.

955
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: So it's funny. I don't you had to be in

956
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: the league when Sean Taylor was coming out.

957
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, I saw him. We had did joint

958
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: practices with them.

959
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: Sean Taylor was also one of those. And I just

960
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: remember those Miami teams won. They were so good, and

961
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 2: I remember they were playing like two man, this dude

962
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: is lined up twelve yards deep much like every and

963
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: he's making tackles at the line of scrimmage.

964
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: I mean, just at freak show.

965
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: And I want to say DJ, he either returned punts or kickoffs,

966
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, this dude can just do whatever

967
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: it is he wants to do. I do remember distinctly

968
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 2: being at Carolina, being in the room and just watching

969
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: him and just being amazed at what he offered. And

970
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: then I remember looking at his picture at the combine

971
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: because that's when you would look at you could like

972
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: we were body type. I mean, he just had this

973
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: maiden date tattoo like on a ship, and I just

974
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: remember like, this dude is the real deal. And I'm

975
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: excited because his daughter is going to Carolina to play

976
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: volleyball car Heil She's going to play volleyball or basketball

977
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 2: whatever she's wearing twenty one. I just know she's sorry.

978
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: I love that amazing.

979
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to give you my quick story on

980
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: that era because we would do joint practices.

981
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 3: So there's two parts of the story.

982
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan was our defensive coordinator and they had sent

983
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: over it was either an email or of facts like

984
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: that's how long ago this was. But the Redskins at

985
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: the time had sent over the kind of the rules

986
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: on what on what we would be able to do

987
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: in the joint practice. So somebody had handed it to

988
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: Rex like in the hall I can remember the hint

989
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: it to him in the hallway Bucks. So it's like

990
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: he got like this, like he kind of took one

991
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: look at it and was like like that threw it

992
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: away like that. Nobody tells us what rules we're doing.

993
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: So anyways, that was the first part of it. So

994
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: then we get out there and it was like it

995
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: was scouting Paradise. I'm telling you we did it.

996
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: It was.

997
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: This one was at M and T Bank Stadium, so

998
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: it was if you're trying to see I felt like

999
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: you would like be out in the jungle to see

1000
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: who is the who is the alpha king of the jungle,

1001
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: the lion you know, you see come out in single

1002
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 1: digit numbers, right, not the regular numbers. Ed Reid comes

1003
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: out single digit number. Ray Lewis comes out single digit number.

1004
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: Now that the Jerseys are up there like listening, you know,

1005
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Suggs comes out single digit number, like

1006
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: all of our all of a sudden, LaVar Arrington comes

1007
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: out single looks like yeah, single digit. Boris comes out

1008
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is this is the I feel

1009
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: like I'm this is going down. So all these guys

1010
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: right and there, and there's just physical like the Hall

1011
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: of Fame players, some of the best players you've ever seen,

1012
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: like just and not only as players but as specimens

1013
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: and how they're out there running around and smack people.

1014
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: You know, who dominated the scrimmage. Chris Cooley couldn't cover him.

1015
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 3: We couldn't stop couldn't stop him.

1016
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: Mark Bronell, just Mark Barnell, just going steam route Chris Cooley,

1017
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: one after another.

1018
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: I'm like all these friends out here.

1019
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 2: My god, man, it's look one. It's a blast from

1020
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: past two. Do you remember how small that little facility

1021
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: used to be at Utah State When you would go

1022
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: it was almost like it wasn't a trailer, but it's

1023
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: almost like like a little outhouse, like you had to

1024
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: go down and there was a couch. I remember like

1025
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: sitting on the couch watching the tape. But Chris Cooley

1026
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: was so good at Utah State, like as the h

1027
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: back and it was really in the middle of a

1028
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: run where Utah State had a bunch of like really

1029
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: good players that kind of would pop through that. He

1030
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 2: came through there. Donald Penn came through there.

1031
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: There was a cool Bobby Wagner came through there.

1032
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean the they had

1033
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: like really good players. But man, Chris Cooley wearing out

1034
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: all those body beautiful dudes, and it's so funny. I

1035
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: look like like a.

1036
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 1: Collared shirt underneath his pads, Like.

1037
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: Oh, man, straight out of like structure, like how is

1038
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: this happening?

1039
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, God, there's there's some good times. Yeah. But

1040
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: one all those players that you talked about, it really

1041
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: reaffirms like why body types it everything, like in terms

1042
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: of like why you'd like to have a team that

1043
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: just looks the part, like one of those get off

1044
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: the bus squads, Bigger, faster, stronger. It just looks different.

1045
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: Your team looks different. It just creates a little horror.

1046
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: People come out for warm ups, buck and it was

1047
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogen's sixt nine three sixty, Orlando Brown six eight,

1048
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: three eighty. Those were our tackles. Then you had Edwin

1049
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: Willalo's three hundred and fifty pounds. We had Benny Anderson

1050
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: there's three hundred and thirty pounds, like they were literal giants.

1051
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: And then you'd see Chris McCallister is just six foot two,

1052
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty pound corner. You know Ray, you know,

1053
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: coming out there with his his aura sugs. Not like

1054
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: we would come out there and it was like this game.

1055
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: You walk around the field before the game it's over,

1056
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: like I don't they got no chance.

1057
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: I do remember I remember those and look, I'm honest

1058
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: with you.

1059
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: Jamal Lewis was two hundred and fifty pound running back,

1060
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: was running four to three like it was a It

1061
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: was a physical team, man, and.

1062
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: That's how it's supposed to be. Like you want your

1063
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: team to look the part, and it doesn't matter what

1064
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: it is. I remember going to watch Alabama play and

1065
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: just in pregame just looking at them when Nick Saban

1066
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: had him and theyd just I mean, they're just built

1067
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: but a pro team and you're just looking down on

1068
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 2: the other end like this other team has no chance. Yeah,

1069
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: no shot it look it matters. Like there's something about

1070
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: the physicality and just the body type that you want

1071
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: to have when you're building a championship caliber team.

1072
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: Last story on that, uh, do you remember when uh?

1073
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: And we actually I believe we had talked to uh

1074
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: who was Brian. I don't remember if it was Brian

1075
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: Kelly was the coach in that Notre Dame team or

1076
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: not when you played Alabama because we talked to James

1077
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: that he said it changed his recruited and look at

1078
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: how you know Notre Dame became an offensive line factory

1079
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: after that. But my story on that one is I'm

1080
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: down there on the field before warm ups. Notre Dame

1081
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: was kind of out there first, right, so they're warming

1082
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: up and I'm down in the end zone. I actually

1083
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Speaker 1: took a picture. I don't know if I posted, but

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Speaker 1: like Vince Vaughn. Loved Vince Vaughn, right like he's like

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite, Yeah, big Notre Dame fan, and

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Speaker 1: he's down in the end zone and he's talking with

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Speaker 1: different people and he's like, so it's like Vince Vaughn,

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Speaker 1: like mister Hollywood, excited, smiling, and then Alabama came running

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Speaker 1: out of the tunnel and it was like Flucker and

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Speaker 1: Womack Warmack and all those guys, and I just I

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Speaker 1: was watching him. He went from so jovial, happy Vince

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Speaker 1: Vaughn to like slow show. Yeah this you got no shot, Bud.

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Speaker 2: It is. I do remember one of the times that

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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly came on the show. He talked about how

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Speaker 2: that changed the way that he recruited and Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: He said, when they played them down. I guess it

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Speaker 2: was the Orange Bowl or whatever again, Yeah, he just said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: right after that, that's when they kind of became like

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Speaker 2: the offensive line factor. They had a great run of

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Speaker 2: offensive linemen. They came out of there. They were much

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Speaker 2: bigger team. They were fast, but they were bigger and

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Speaker 2: far more physical than they had been in the past.

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Speaker 2: And that was just the residual of the reaction to

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Speaker 2: getting hammered by Alabama in that bowl game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good one.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good way to finish it up there, Buck,

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Speaker 1: this was a fun one today. We appreciate everybody dropping

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Speaker 1: us those questions. It's always great to hear from you

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Speaker 1: guys and what you're curious about. Hopefully we got a

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Speaker 1: few of those answered for you. We'll do that again.

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Speaker 1: There was a bunch more weren't able to get to,

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Speaker 1: but well, we'll do another one of these before we

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Speaker 1: get to the start of the season. Another offseason hashtag

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Speaker 1: asked mtes anything else you want to ad before we

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Speaker 1: jump out here?

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Speaker 2: Buck, No, this is fun. I appreciate the listener or feedback.

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Speaker 2: It's always good when we can have an interactive show.

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Speaker 2: We can ask to some of the things that you

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Speaker 2: guys have top of mind.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, appreciate you guys hanging with us. We will

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Speaker 1: see you here next week. Three brand new episodes coming

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Speaker 1: your way next week, right here on Move the sticks