1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: Query, how do you sleep for two plus days and 3 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: not notice the dead bodies in the backyard? Hey, forget 4 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: the backyard, your back porch, which is open, it's not 5 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: like it's enclosed, it's right there. How do you miss 6 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: three dead bodies? And then if you look out the 7 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: front you see the victim's cars still park in front 8 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: of your house. I think two plus two still equals four. 9 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: If all the cars are there, then they haven't left. 10 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: If they haven't left, where are they now? We are learning? 11 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: Of course, I'm talking about the three Kansas Chiefs fans, 12 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs fans who go for a watch party 13 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 2: at their friend's house, their friend house, and they're all 14 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: found dead on the back porch and in the backyard. 15 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: Now we keep hearing this is not a homicide investigation, given, 16 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: But who would have the story? Make up the story 17 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: that they slept for two plus days, didn't answer phone calls, 18 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: set text messages, social messages. How can you go for 19 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: two days and not look out the window, not walk downstairs? 20 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: Nothing? I find that impossible. So if that is not. 21 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:02,639 Speaker 2: True, then is the friend lying? And if the friend 22 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: is lying, why is he lying. What is a reason 23 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: to lie when your three best friends are dead in 24 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: the backyard. Joining me today is a very special guest 25 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: with me, Jonathan Price. This is Ricky Johnson's brother, and 26 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: right off the top, let me tell you these families 27 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: are in so much pain. Instead of planning the next 28 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: big thing in their lives, like a wedding or some 29 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: big event a promotion, they're trying to figure out how 30 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 2: to pay funeral expenses. There is a GoFundMe. You can 31 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: find it online for Ricky Johnson gofund me dot com, 32 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 2: slash f slash bags Ricky Johnson. But I got to 33 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: get into the facts. We now know the friend has 34 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: checked himself into rehab. Why we know that the police 35 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: are trying desperately to unlock the cell phones of the 36 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: three victims. They better go unlock the cell phone of 37 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 2: the friend. But all that said, I want to hear 38 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: Jonathan Price's story from the beginning to the end right now. 39 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: I mean, Tocy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you 40 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: for being with us here at Crime Stories and on 41 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: Serious XM one eleven. First of all, for those of 42 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: you that are not familiar with the story, who is that? 43 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: Are you living? 44 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: Under a rock in a cave on the other side 45 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: of the world for those people. 46 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Listen to this. 47 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: Harrington's girlfriend of seventeen years flat out says David was murdered. 48 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: Those three guys were murdered. The Kansas City Police said 49 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: from the very beginning the deaths are not being investigated 50 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: as a homicide, but Lorie Cruz says her boyfriend of 51 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: seventeen years did not use drugs and that he was murdered. 52 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: Since early in the investigation, police have said the case 53 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 4: is not being investigative's foul play, but some of the 54 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 4: loved ones of the deceased believe Willis played a role 55 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 4: in their deaths. John Harrington, father of David Harrington, whose 56 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: body was found on the open porch, said that he 57 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: and David's mother both are convinced that Jordan Willis played 58 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: a part in the deaths. 59 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: You know, the families are not buying what the police 60 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: are selling. 61 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: Why is that? 62 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: You know what I found in all of my homicide 63 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: investigations and prosecutions. Typically the victims' families of all people 64 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: want the truth, So why are they refusing to believe 65 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: what cops are saying? You know, when you know somebody 66 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: so well, like Jackie's sitting right there. I can tell 67 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: you right now now Jackie is not running outside to 68 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: do a line of coke. No drugs. I know that 69 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 2: I would stake my life on it. This family says 70 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: he did not use drugs. So why is he dead 71 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: in the backyard? And why don't we have the toxicology reports? 72 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: And why don't we have a CEOD. 73 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: Cause of death on these guys. 74 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: Okay, again, for those of you that don't know what happened, 75 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to bring you up to speed really quickly. 76 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: Listen to Nicole parton Crime Online. 77 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 5: On January eighth, friends and family are concerned. They were 78 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 5: headed to Jordan Willis's house to watch the game, but 79 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 5: now none of the guys, including Jordan Willis, are replying 80 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 5: to messages on social media or by phone. 81 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 6: On Tuesday, January ninth, nine fifty one pm, Clayton McKinney's 82 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 6: fiance shows up at the house. She sees the cars 83 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 6: in the driveway, and since nobody is answering the phone 84 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 6: or replying to messages, she breaks into the home and 85 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 6: screams Willis's name. She walks through the house and she 86 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 6: looks on the back porch and sees a body screaming. 87 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 5: Mcguinea's fiance calls police. Officers arrived to find Willis in 88 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 5: his underwear with an empty glass of wine in hand. 89 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 5: The other two bodies were then found in the backyard. 90 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 5: Jordan Willis tells police he has no idea what happened. 91 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: No idea what happened, wineglass in hand. First, to Jonathan Price, 92 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: this is Ricky Johnson's brother, Jonathan, Thank. 93 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 7: You for being with us, Thank you for having me Nancy. 94 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: Jonathan. First of all, we have been praying for you, 95 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: your brother, your family, and the other victims since we 96 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: first heard about this. It's hard for me to believe 97 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: they froze to death, given what I know about the 98 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: temperatures during those two days. 99 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: But I'll get to that later. 100 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: I want to hear from the beginning, how this debacle, 101 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: this odyssey started for you. 102 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 7: Oh well, I was working the wind day after and 103 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 7: uh my brother called me and uh and gave me 104 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 7: the news, you know, and and the information he shared 105 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 7: with me is not very far off from what I 106 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 7: have now three and a half weeks later, which is 107 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 7: very sad. So I mean, just like you said there, 108 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 7: you know, ever since then we've been trying to find 109 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 7: answers as much as we can. 110 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: Well, I'm curious, what what did your brother say to you? 111 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 7: Well, he told me that I have some bad news 112 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 7: to share and I don't want it to be like 113 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 7: this because we don't live very close, so it's not like, uh, 114 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 7: you know, he could just come down and tell me, 115 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 7: which made it even more difficult. And uh, he told 116 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 7: me that Ricky passed away and they're not sure why 117 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 7: there they just found his body. So to both of us, 118 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 7: not they made sense right off the a and three 119 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 7: and a half weeks later, we're still on the same boat, Nancy. 120 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 8: So I. 121 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 9: Can't answer, Jonathan. 122 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: At the very beginning, what were you told about what happened? 123 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 7: Well, from the very beginning, they all the reports and everything, 124 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 7: which is the only people we've actually heard from his media, 125 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 7: especially in the first week two weeks, we'd never heard 126 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 7: anything about from the police but that they froze to death. 127 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 7: And that's why we've been so outspoken from the very beginning, 128 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 7: is because that is not a cause of death I 129 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 7: would ever ever accept. You know, my brother was a 130 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 7: smart man. He ran a large portion of his father's 131 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 7: construction company. He was at work all the time. You 132 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 7: know that. It doesn't make any sense. An he had 133 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 7: three daughters that he looks forward to seeing as much 134 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 7: as he could, So how would he put himself in 135 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 7: a situation to freeze to death? That's not didn't make 136 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 7: any sense. 137 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: He has three daughters. Yes, what are their ages. 138 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 7: Of fourteen, nine and four? 139 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: Okay, right there, I've just got to tell you, I've 140 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: got to go. 141 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: To the shrink on this. 142 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: We've got an all star panel to make sense of 143 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: what we're hearing right now. But to doctor John Delatory, 144 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: psychologist mediator who specializes in forensic psychology at resolution fcs 145 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: dot com. 146 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us. 147 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: I was and always will be a daddy's girl. 148 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Is that right or wrong? I don't know. 149 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: But that was my soulmate. Yes, don't tell my husband. 150 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: That was my soulmate. My dad Mac. 151 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: We laughed at. 152 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: The same things, we danced together. He went on our 153 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: vacations with us, along with my mom. Everything. He put 154 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: me through law school. I cannot imagine growing up without 155 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: my dad. 156 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: And now you've got these three little girls, one four 157 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: years old. 158 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 2: Who's never going to know her dad. I don't know 159 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: is that better or worse? We once thirteen, she knows 160 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: her dad and the pain of his loss must be overwhelming, 161 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: and it's going to affect them in ways we can't 162 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: even figure out yet. 163 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 10: Yeah, no, absolutely, because here's the example that they have 164 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 10: for the loss of their father comes from this sort 165 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 10: of confused and sort of you know, this nebulous way 166 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 10: in which he died. They have no answers. It's one 167 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 10: thing to have an answer and to suffer a loss, 168 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 10: because you can start working through because you have the answer, 169 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 10: you know what exactly it was that happened. But if 170 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 10: you don't know the truth, and if you think other 171 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 10: people are keeping the truth from me, that can impact 172 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 10: you just as much as the loss did. They're already 173 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 10: going to be going through grieving, right, They're already going 174 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 10: to be suffering in their own ways. And the whope 175 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 10: business that they have family connections that can help them 176 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 10: work through those problems by remembering the father that they have. 177 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 10: But the problem is is that they don't have an answer, 178 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 10: don't have an ending, and that's going to be really 179 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 10: problematic as they continue to move forward through their grieving process. 180 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, it's not just Jonathan Price, 181 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: who is Ricky Johnson's brother that has questions. David Harrington's father, 182 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: John Harrington, has been very outspoken. 183 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: Listen. 184 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: David Harrington's father, John Harrington, is convinced something happened at 185 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: Jordan Willi's house when the guys were watching football. He 186 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: believes that Jordan Willis played a part in it. Harrington 187 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 3: says he thinks the three men learned something or saw 188 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: something they shouldn't have seen, and Willis decided friends are 189 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: not got to get rid of you. 190 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 6: There has been a lot of online speculation about how 191 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 6: the scientists survived in his bed of sleep well, his 192 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 6: friends died in the backyard. John Harrington, the father of 193 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 6: David Harrington, doesn't believe Jordan Willis's claims of not hearing 194 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 6: relatives banging on his door. Willis has said he was 195 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 6: sleeping with noise canceling headphones on and heard nothing. 196 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: Let's just go over the facts and then we'll return 197 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: to Jonathan Price. 198 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: That's Ricky Johnson's brother. 199 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: Joining me out of Kansas City is Grace Smith KSETV 200 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: five investigative reporter. 201 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: Grace, thank you for being with us. Tell me the 202 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: facts as you know them. 203 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 11: Now, yes, Nanthy, well, thank you so much for having me. 204 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 11: I spoke with Jordan Willis's attorney right after this happened, 205 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 11: and he kind of just said, you know, bottom line, 206 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 11: Jordan had nothing to do with this. Like your reporter 207 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 11: just said, he was sleeping with headphones in. He didn't 208 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 11: hear any knocks and the only thing he heard was 209 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 11: when the police came to his door. So that's all 210 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 11: that he has told me, and that's all that he believes. 211 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 11: And I asked, I said, well, why didn't he go 212 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 11: outside at all or check anything or look out the door. 213 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 11: And he said he had no reason to do any of. 214 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: That, no reason to go outside. 215 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 12: No. 216 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: I'm really curious to Bernarda via Lona joining US high 217 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: profile lawyer who worked in the homicide Bureau in New York. 218 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: You can find her at Vialona law dot com. BERNARDA, 219 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Didn't he have to eat? 220 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: Did he go without eating for two and a half days, 221 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: without drinking water? 222 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: Nothing? 223 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I want to find out what's on that 224 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: cell phone of his, not just the three victims. Did 225 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: he answer one text? Did he open one email? Did 226 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: he answer one phone call? How can you stay knocked 227 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 2: out for two and a half days. 228 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 12: I don't get it, absolutely, Nancy. A lot of this 229 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 12: doesn't make any sense at all, And just from a 230 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 12: prosecution vantage point, I'm looking at law enforcement to definitely 231 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 12: do this investigation, saying that they don't want to classify 232 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 12: it as a homicide investigation. But I think you need 233 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 12: to take the approach. 234 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 2: Why why do you understand that in terms of because 235 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 2: if I've got three dead bodies and I've got anybody 236 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: lying about anything absol that makes it suspicious. 237 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 7: We're on the same page. 238 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 13: My policy will be investigated as a homicide until it 239 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 13: is ruled out. Because you know, when something is classified 240 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 13: as a homicide investigation, it affects the approach of law enforcement. 241 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 13: It affects the resources that are poured into an investigation. 242 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 13: It affects who you contact and how you loop the 243 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 13: prosecutor in. 244 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 12: There are so many unanswered questions, and one thing you're 245 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 12: going to need from the. 246 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 8: Prosecutor's office get a warrant for Jordan Willis's phone and 247 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 8: let's see what communications he was having doing those two days, 248 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 8: because as of now we don't have any answers, and 249 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 8: our best bet is getting answers. 250 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 12: From the cell phones of the decease and the cell 251 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 12: phone of Jordan Willis, because it would tell us whether 252 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 12: there was any movement. It would tell us where emails, 253 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 12: tech communications, browsing, history, photos, video, anything that would give 254 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 12: us some clues because obviously there's no physical We can't 255 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 12: see anything physical on the bodies of these three individuals 256 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 12: so far that will lead them to think automatically it 257 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 12: was a homicide. So you have to do some more digging. 258 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: While I have bernarda villa loona, let me throw a 259 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: couple of legal ideas at you, and I want to 260 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: hear what Jonathan Price thinks of them. 261 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: Number One. 262 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: One reason that a person is not named a suspect 263 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: or a person of interest to POI is because once 264 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: you do, they are suddenly cloaked, shrouded, blanketed with protections 265 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: under our constitution. Was their name to target a suspect 266 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: of POI. You can't just walk up and start asking 267 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: them questions anymore. Oh no, no, no, that's not absolutely. 268 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 8: Nancy, do a lawyer, lawyer. 269 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: Even if it is in LA law enforcement's mind that 270 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: they're looking at this as a homicide, they're not going 271 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: to come out and say it because they're going to 272 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: get no cooperation at all from anybody wants they're named 273 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: a target. 274 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: And again, no one has been. 275 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: Named a target or a POI person of interest yet, 276 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: Grace Smith. Yes, No, did Jordan Willis's lawyer say anything 277 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: about handing over his phone to police voluntarily? No? 278 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 11: Not what I asked about his phone and he did 279 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 11: not tell me one thing about his phone, or he said. 280 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: When you asked him the question, what did he do? 281 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 11: He said, I cannot go into that. 282 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: Why. 283 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 11: I don't know. 284 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, maybe it's just me, but Jonathan Price, Ricky 285 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: Johnson who's found out in the cold dead his brother. 286 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 2: That doesn't concern you that the lawyer suddenly says, I. 287 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: Can't talk to you about my client's phone. Why not? 288 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,239 Speaker 2: If he's really asleep too and a half days, then 289 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: why can't I look at his phone? 290 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: And why can't the lawyer comment? 291 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: He should say, yeah, we handed over to the cops 292 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: and it shows he didn't answer a single text or 293 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: phone call during that whole time period. 294 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, that doesn't make sense at all to me. 295 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 7: And I'm definitely four constitutional rights and all that, but 296 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 7: you know, when it comes down to, you know, people 297 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 7: losing their lives. There should should be a fine line. 298 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 7: And you know, the lawyer, he was very consistent with, 299 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 7: you know, changing the story and everything. But he was 300 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 7: very consistent. I'm not answering the drug question. And now 301 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 7: that he did not answer the phone question, that leads 302 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 7: me to believe, since he just checked into rehab, he 303 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 7: does have a drug problem and that's why he didn't 304 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 7: want to answer it. You know, maybe there is something 305 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 7: on the phone because the lawyer specifically did not answer 306 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 7: that question, but he's open to answering all the other questions. 307 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: Very curious, and johnthan Price, you said the lawyer has 308 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 2: two paraphrase what you said gone along with changing the story. 309 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: What do you mean about changing the story? 310 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 2: Do you believe that Jordan Willis, let me just call 311 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: him the homeowner where this viewing party was being you know, 312 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 2: everybody gets together watch the Super Bowl, That's what they 313 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: were doing. They were watching the Kansas City Chiefs game 314 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: altogether at Jordan Willis's home. What do you mean by 315 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: changing the story. I'm very curious. 316 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 7: Well, from the very beginning, he said that before the 317 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 7: fifth person came out, he said that Jordan was there 318 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 7: sporadically throughout the day and then whenever. And then he 319 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 7: also did not mention a fifth person, but once the 320 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 7: fifth person came out, then he changed it to saying 321 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 7: that there was a fifth person and that he was 322 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 7: asleep the entire time. So those were two very specific details. 323 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 7: It's worse specific in the opening statement but then changed 324 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 7: over time. And then there's very conflicting statements about the 325 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 7: dogs as well, because the fifth person did say that 326 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 7: there was a dog presence when he was there, and 327 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 7: this was at midnight when he left. Therefore, is it 328 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 7: between midnight and two am you take your dog to 329 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 7: your dad's house. That makes it zero sense. So the 330 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 7: lawyer was very specific, but the dogs were not there 331 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 7: as well, So there's definitely thanks not adding up with 332 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 7: this statement. 333 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: Jonathan Bryce, I'm glad you mentioned that about the dogs, 334 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: because I found it too convenient that they just happened 335 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 2: to be gone during this two and a half day 336 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: period that the fifth person, who at first wasn't mentioned, 337 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: says the dog was there at midnight when the. 338 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: Person five left. 339 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: Now, you know, Jonathan, I can't even tell you how 340 00:19:53,640 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: many thousands, literally thousands of homicide investigations I've either investigated, helped, investigate, tried, helped, tried, 341 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 2: or covered. You know, Jonathan, if I ask you right now, 342 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: who was in your house this morning when you had breakfast, 343 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I can tell you my husband was there, 344 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: My two children, John David Lucy were there, the cat, 345 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: the dog, the two guineas, and my mother. 346 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: We were all there. 347 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: I didn't leave anybody out right. Why did he leave 348 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: out person number five? 349 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: Why? Why? 350 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 2: I've seen it so many times when one integral, critical 351 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: detail is left out, there's a reason. There's a reason 352 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: that detail is left out. Why and why is the 353 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: issue about the dog? Why did that change? Why does 354 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 2: he want us to know the dogs were there because 355 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: he would have had to let them out? 356 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: Another thing? You mentioned those. 357 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: Two discrepancies, But let me go back to Grace Smith 358 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 2: joining us KCTV five. Wasn't there a discrepancy in the 359 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: original story from Jordan Willis about what time the three 360 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: friends left? And when I'm saying the three friends, I'm 361 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: talking about the three deceased victims, Ricky Johnson, Clayton mcgheey, 362 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: and David Harrington. Yes, didn't he say they left and 363 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: they came back? What were his conflicting stories about when 364 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: they left. 365 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 11: That yeah, so he said, the lawyer told me in 366 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 11: the early mornings, like around two am. He believes that 367 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 11: Jordan got sleepy and said, okay, guys, I'm going to 368 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 11: go crash on the couch, and that's what he did. 369 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 11: And so he said goodbye to his buddies, and then 370 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 11: they thought he thought that they left through the front door. 371 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 11: Then he says, wait, actually he didn't think they left, 372 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 11: but he just went to sleep anyways, and that other 373 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 11: friend left about an hour before this all happened before 374 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 11: he went to the couch. So that's what he told me. 375 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: Now, I see how they could explain that away, that 376 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: he thought they had left, but maybe they didn't leave 377 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: because he was passed out on the sofa. 378 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: I mean, could it be as innocuous as that? 379 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: I thought there was a little more to the story 380 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: of when they left that maybe they Yeah, at one 381 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: point he said they left and they came back, that 382 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: he had left the door unlocked so his friends could 383 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 2: come and go in and out. His story regarding when 384 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: the three victims left did change, and not in an 385 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 2: innocuous way. Now we're learning about video that has emerged 386 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: from a neighbor listen. 387 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 3: Tuesday, January ninth, Ashton Brady is getting ready for better 388 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: around ten pm when he notices a woman walking around 389 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: Jordan Willis's house very distressed. Minutes later, police are on 390 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: the scene, as well as an ambulance. Brady starts recording 391 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: video when he sees Jordan Willis standing on his front 392 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 3: stoop and handcuffs in his underwear. The neighbors said the 393 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 3: police took the handcuffs off and put him in a 394 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 3: police car and drove away. Police were then seen going 395 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: through the house room by room with flashlights searching for 396 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 3: more evidence. Police have stressed that they are not treating 397 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: it as a homicide and are continuing to investigate. 398 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: Curious, I'm trying to figure out what all of this means. 399 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 2: I understand that at first they handcuffed Jordan Willis and 400 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: then later unhandcuffed him. 401 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: What do you know about that, Grace Smith? 402 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 11: Yeah, so I actually went to the home of where 403 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 11: this where the video was taken yesterday. Didn't get any answers, 404 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 11: but so I don't know exactly and we didn't report 405 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 11: on that video, so I can't go into that specifically. 406 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 11: But the house was just directly across, so could see 407 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 11: very clearly what was going on. 408 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: Also, if he is out, if the neighbors out, for instance, 409 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: walking his dog, I mean, he can walk down closer 410 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: to the house and get the video. Parts of the 411 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 2: video have emerged already. It's kind of hard to make out, 412 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 2: but you can see certain portions of what's going on. 413 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 2: To your understanding, let me go back to Ricky's brother, 414 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: Jonathan Price, what is your understanding of that video? 415 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 7: I mean, it does look like he was detained in 416 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 7: the very grainy parts that you can see there, But 417 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 7: it just doesn't make sense to me if you left 418 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 7: in a police car uncuffed, which I didn't think that 419 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 7: was a common thing to transfer somebody in a police 420 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 7: vehicle unless you rule out everything. But that's the part 421 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 7: that doesn't make sense. How you can rule it out 422 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 7: without investigated any further. Maybe that's just to remove him 423 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 7: from the scene or whatever. But my biggest question was, 424 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 7: if they did take him to the the stations, did 425 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 7: they drug test him as well, and if so, what 426 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 7: were the results of that, because they definitely already have that, 427 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 7: and you know, is there any commonality between what he 428 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 7: has in his system and what's in my brother's system 429 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 7: because that seems very important. 430 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: Yes, it does. 431 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: Joining us as a renowned medical examiner, doctor Jane Gorniac 432 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: to answer those questions. First, I want you to analyze 433 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: for me, Todd G. Shipley, what we're learning about attempts 434 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: to unlock the victims' cell phones. Listen to Sydney Sumner 435 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: Crime online. 436 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 6: Cops are asking for codes to unlock the phones of 437 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 6: thirty seven year old David Harrington, thirty six year old 438 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 6: Clayton mckeiney, and thirty eight year old Ricky Johnson. Investigators 439 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 6: say combing through the cell phones of the three Kansas 440 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 6: City chief fans will show who they talked to, where 441 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 6: they went, and when they ended up outside the house, 442 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 6: on the porch and in the backyard. 443 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: Again, according to what we are learning right now from 444 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 2: KCTV five's Grace Smith, Jordan Willis's lawyer won't comment on 445 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: his phone, but to Todji Shipley, joining us digital cybercrime expert, 446 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: former detective and author of Investigating Internet Crimes and Introduction 447 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: to Solving Crimes in Cyberspace, and you can find him 448 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: at Dark intaeil dot info. Todd Shipley, thank you for 449 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 2: being with us. Do you remember in the recent trial 450 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: of Alex murdog on trial for double murder, they actually 451 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 2: had to bring in a former Secret Service person to 452 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: unlock to testify about unlocking the phone. 453 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: How do you unlock a phone? 454 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: It's not that easy if you don't have the code, 455 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: even for police. 456 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 9: Thanks fancy for having me on this morning. Yes and no, 457 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 9: I mean it depends on the resources to be able 458 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 9: to them. The thing is they're part of the reading 459 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 9: Futer Frenzy Laboratory that's there in Kansas City, so they 460 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 9: have the resources available to do that, and law enforcement 461 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 9: has available to them certain tools that help that. Now, 462 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 9: if we look back, you know, previously in other cases, 463 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 9: even the FBI has had problems with specific kinds of phones, 464 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 9: particularly the iPhones. And I haven't heard yet what kind 465 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 9: of phones these are, but unlocking them sometimes can be 466 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 9: trivial depending on the kind of phone and the operating 467 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 9: system is on it, the older operating systems if it 468 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 9: hasn't been updated, or easier to get to. So they 469 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 9: should be able to get into those phones regardless. The 470 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 9: simplest method is to ask the family for the codes. 471 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 9: That's what they tried to do. Then they've got to 472 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 9: go and use these specific kinds of tools to try 473 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 9: to break into the phones, which can take some while 474 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 9: because in these cases they're actually trying to come up 475 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 9: with a password that by brute forcing or getting using 476 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 9: multiple different kinds of passwords to get into the phone 477 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 9: to figure out which is the password. So it could 478 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 9: take a while, But there's so much information on those 479 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 9: phones that can be overlooked. There's a ton of information, 480 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 9: particularly on the iPhones, about where the person was and 481 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 9: what they were doing. There is the health app that's 482 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 9: on these phones. There records where you walk to so 483 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 9: they're going to know exactly what the one person that lived, 484 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 9: what happened to him, and where he was in the house, 485 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 9: as well as the people that passed away, they're going 486 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 9: to know exactly what happened if they get on those phones. 487 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: Also encouraged by the fact, as you pointed out, phones 488 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: track your movements and the time of your movements, so 489 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: not only will their texts, their computer searches their photos. 490 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: We know they were taking photos that night. What else 491 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: was there? And I really want to find out about 492 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: the home owner as we are calling him Jordan Willis's phone. 493 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: Did they hand it over, did they demand a search warrant. 494 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: If it's not a homicide investigation, can cops even get 495 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: a search warrant? We know they haven't gotten into some 496 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: of the phones because they're asking the family if they 497 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: know the codes. You'd be surprised everybody to find out. 498 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: And I have research this for my last book, Don't 499 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: Be a Victim. How many people use one two one 500 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 2: two or one two three one two three or one 501 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: one one one or of course double o seven or 502 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: believe it or not? 503 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: Sixty nine sixty nine, sixty nine, Yes, very common. 504 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: Still, long story short, A huge percentage of people use 505 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: predictable codes like one two three one two three. Many 506 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: people use their lucky number seven seven seven seven seven seven. 507 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: It's very easy and every x number of seconds or 508 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 2: minutes you can retry different codes. 509 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: That's how you break a code. 510 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: But they haven't broken them yet because they're asking family, Hey, 511 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: we can't crack it. 512 00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: Do you know the code? 513 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: That's where that stands. I'm also curious, Bernardo Viville Loona. 514 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: They can't look at Jordan Willis's phone if he's a target, 515 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: And I'm curious why the lawyer won't comment on it 516 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: unless he hands over his phone exactly right. 517 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 12: So, Nancy, the only way for law enforcement to get 518 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 12: to the phone of Jordan Willis is whether he consents 519 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 12: to turn over his phone and for his phone to 520 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 12: be searched. A's number one or two. There's a search 521 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 12: one that's signed by a judge. But then you'll need 522 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 12: probable cause in order to get the search warrant approved. 523 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 12: So in terms of Jordan Willis's attorney not commenting on 524 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 12: the phone, I think he's trying to see where this 525 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 12: investigation goes. He doesn't want to make any comments that 526 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 12: if there is. 527 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: Do you want to find out why your friends died? 528 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: Why don't you just hand over the phone? You know 529 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: what the cops say to me, Hey can I look 530 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: at your phone and go? Sure? Enjoy my twenty two 531 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: thousand pictures of the twins, get after it? 532 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: So why not hand over the phone? Now? 533 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: As to cause of death? That is Jonathan Price's big question. 534 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: Joining US renowned BOORT certified forensic pathologists former medical examiner 535 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: doctor jan Gorniac And she didn't practice at for instance, 536 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: where I grew up Rutland County, in Rutland area of 537 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: bib County, where all you could see is pine trees 538 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: and soybean fields. She practiced in Vegas, never a lack 539 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: of business at the Morgue, Doctor Gorniac. Before you give 540 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: me your opinion, I want you to hear about the 541 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: weather that evening. Take a listen to Nicole Parton from 542 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: crime online dot Com. 543 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 5: David Harrington's father is also challenging the idea that the 544 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 5: men froze to death. Daily Mail reports John Harrington saying, 545 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 5: I don't think it's very likely they froze to death. 546 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 5: Some people are saying it just wasn't cold enough. The 547 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 5: temperature for Kansas City late in the night of Sunday, 548 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 5: January seven was around thirty six degrees, and the temp 549 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 5: remained above freezing all day Monday, January eighth. Tuesday January 550 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 5: nine was the coldest day, when it was twenty six 551 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 5: degrees by two pm and twenty at ten pm. The 552 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 5: first thirty six hours of the mystery, the temp is 553 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 5: at or above freezing, and it is only the last 554 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 5: twelve hours where it gets really cold. 555 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: And we also know that the three victims were found 556 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: on January nine, and that is when around two pm 557 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 2: it started getting colder, so it wasn't freezing. 558 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Doctor j. 559 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 14: Gorniac I heard that, but when you talk about freezing, 560 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 14: people thinking abou above freezing of water. Thirty degrees is 561 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 14: cold for a person to be outside. You wouldn't go 562 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 14: outside without a hat or glove of you maybe eat, 563 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 14: you know, or scarf on and stay outside. That is cold. 564 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 14: I'm a runner. Once it gets below fifty, I start 565 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,239 Speaker 14: putting ear muscle on because my ears get cold. So 566 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 14: thirty degrees and less below for a human is cold. 567 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 14: So we don't want to say, like the body froze. 568 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 14: People think frozen. Very rarely do we have frozen bodies 569 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 14: unless they're really out there once in snow and ice 570 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 14: and out there for a prolonged period of time, or 571 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 14: literally in a freezer where the body freezer. So the 572 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 14: term froze to death is not accurate. So the term 573 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 14: that we would use would be hypothermia, so low body temperature. 574 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 14: So when you're out in the elements and not protecting 575 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 14: yourself from that, then your body can't and that's why 576 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 14: we start shivering. 577 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 12: Right. 578 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 14: Your body shivers when you get too cold because you 579 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 14: want to try to warm yourself up. So that's what 580 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 14: we're talking about, not really freezing, but a low body temperature. 581 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 14: It's going to be difficult to say what their temperature 582 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 14: was unless the death investigator, when they got to the 583 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 14: scene or even at the morgue, took a body temperature, 584 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 14: and I'm not sure the policies and procedures of that 585 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 14: particular office. So when your body temperature gets below ninety 586 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 14: that's when you start being hypothermic. So I don't want 587 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 14: people to think freezing as an ice or even not 588 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 14: to be you know, crude, like when you freeze meat 589 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 14: in a freezer. That's not what we're talking about. We're 590 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 14: talking about low body temperatures hypothermia, and those temperatures are 591 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 14: low enough to cause hypothermia. 592 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. 593 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 2: What I don't understand, Jonathan Price. This is Ricky Johnson's brother. 594 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 2: If Ricky was outside and getting cold, why didn't he 595 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: just go inside? There have also been reports that the 596 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: bodies were dragged out. 597 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: We know that the doors. 598 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 2: Were locked when the fiance came over looking for one 599 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 2: of the victims. So wouldn't your brother have just gone 600 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 2: to his car or gone back inside. 601 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 7: Yes, I mean that's that's common sense. And he never 602 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 7: went outside without a coat on. I mean, getting my terms, right, 603 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 7: hypothermia is understandable, but that's not the root. Cause. You know, 604 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 7: my brother is a smart man, and I mean the 605 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 7: other two men always looked out for each other, so 606 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 7: they the odds of three men going through hypothermia, which 607 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 7: is a process that takes time all of the exact 608 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 7: same time, is the part that doesn't make sense. I mean, 609 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 7: we can go back and forth about terms, but that's 610 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 7: that's not not a cause I would accept. Is I'll 611 00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 7: start saying happens. 612 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 2: I want to follow up on something you just said, Jonathan, 613 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 2: the likelihood and no one has discussed this, the likelihood 614 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 2: that all three would drop dead with hypothermia in the 615 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 2: backyard at the same time, with two of them out 616 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 2: in the backyard and one of them and oh yeah, 617 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 2: I want to follow up with you, Grace Smith. How 618 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 2: far were the backyard bodies from the porch. 619 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: And the window? Okay, I want to follow up on that. 620 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 2: But to Jonathan Price, the likelihood that they're all three 621 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: going to die of hypothermia, two out in the yard, 622 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 2: one lying on a lounge chair, I think, on the 623 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 2: back porch. I mean, how could you miss that? 624 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they're all different, extremely. 625 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 14: Low, right, may I jump back in. This is doctor 626 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 14: corneyack again if I can jump back in, and yes, Jonathan, 627 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 14: you're absolutely You're absolutely correct. So there's something else that's 628 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 14: going on. So before they get to that point, we 629 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 14: don't know, once again waiting for the toxicology. So I 630 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 14: believe to the hypothermia could be the end point because 631 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 14: they were left outside in the elements and they might 632 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 14: have been unresponsive for whatever reason, whether it be alcohol 633 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 14: or other drugs, I don't know, but you're absolutely correct. 634 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 14: It's not like they were out, you know, skiing or 635 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 14: here walking outside and got lost, their cars broken down 636 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 14: all together. But there is something else, so you are correct. 637 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 14: I believe hypothermia is part of it, but there's something 638 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 14: is missing, and without that the missing piece, which is 639 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 14: the toxicology or other things they saw at autopsy, there 640 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 14: is no cause of death right now. The cause of 641 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 14: death is undetermined, and the manner death is undetermined. We 642 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 14: don't know if it's an accident or. 643 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 2: A homicide for all three. 644 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 14: I agree. I totally agree. That's why there is another 645 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 14: contributing factor that is missing, and we don't know that 646 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 14: missing piece yet. You're absolutely correct, I. 647 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 2: Agree, And now we have the issue of the home owner, 648 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 2: as we're calling him checking himself in to rehab. And 649 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 2: he again noticed every time a Hollywood celebrity gets in 650 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 2: trouble right there in deep let me think I gave 651 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 2: up cursing when I had the twins Deep Doo doo, 652 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 2: they run and check into rehab. Okay, take a listen 653 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 2: to nicolepartincrime ononline dot com. 654 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 5: Jordan Willis packed his things and left just days after 655 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 5: the discovery of his three friends dead outside while he 656 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 5: slept for two days straight. He moved everything into storage 657 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 5: and checked into a rehab. The investigator said Willis was 658 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 5: not a suspect in the deaths, but family and friends 659 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 5: of the men who died have questioned a lot of 660 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 5: the story they have heard from Willis. A source close 661 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 5: to Jordan will tells Fox Digital quote, after the shocking 662 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 5: loss of three of his close friends under extremely tragic circumstances, 663 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 5: Jordan recognized that he had a problem with addiction. The 664 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 5: source did not elaborate on the exact nature of the addiction. 665 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 5: The deceased men's toxicology reports are still pending, but a 666 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 5: neighbor said two of them were supposedly seen arriving at 667 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 5: Willis's with two thirty packs of beer. 668 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 2: Okay, even if they had been drinking, the likelihood of 669 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 2: all three drinking heavily, the likelihood of all three of 670 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 2: them passing out at the same time outside and all 671 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 2: three dying of hypothermia at the same time is statistically impossible. 672 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: That does not make sense. To Jonathan Price, Ricky Johnson's 673 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 2: brother way in, I've got to hear your analysis. And 674 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 2: have you also heard reports that the bodies were dragged? 675 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 7: I mean I've heard reports of that. I mean there, 676 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 7: I haven't seen anything official about that, so I can't 677 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 7: really comment on the dragging part, But as far as 678 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 7: the likelihoods and everything, yeah, I mean, like I've said, 679 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 7: from the very beginning, these three men were inseparable. You 680 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 7: look at any of their facebooks, any picture that's posted that, 681 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 7: it's not of their family, it's of these men. And 682 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 7: if just one of them, even two of them passed 683 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 7: out at the same time, which is already like impossible, 684 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 7: you know, the other man would have absolutely brought them 685 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 7: inside and called for help something. So that's just insane. 686 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 2: We also know that the version of events has changed. 687 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 2: Listen to Rachel. 688 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 4: The current version of events has Jordan Willis waving the 689 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 4: three other men off at two am after the game, 690 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 4: and he went to sleep on the couch. By two am, 691 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 4: the game had been finished for at least seven hours, 692 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 4: as it was a three twenty five kickoff and the 693 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 4: game lasted three hours. Willis still says he had no 694 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 4: clue that three men were laying out side for two days. 695 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 4: John Harrington points out that his son David was a 696 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 4: big man, three hundred pounds, and he was on the 697 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 4: open porch while the other two were. 698 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: In the art. 699 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 2: So to you, Gray Smith joining us Casey TV five, 700 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 2: is that possible? Can you walk around downstairs and never look, 701 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 2: never see inadvertently even out the front door or the 702 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 2: back door, I mean the front windows or the back windows. 703 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 11: I mean, I've looked at that backyard with my own 704 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 11: two eyes. I think for me it would be hard. 705 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,479 Speaker 11: But I'm just nosy, so I feel like I would 706 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 11: definitely see something. But if you're not looking, I guess 707 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 11: possibly not. But for me, I feel like hearing that 708 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 11: seeing the backyard with my own two eyes, that would 709 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 11: be very, very difficult. 710 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 2: I mean, isn't it a natural reaction? Doctor John Delatoria 711 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,240 Speaker 2: I guess I gotta ask a shrink. Isn't it natural 712 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 2: to look out the window while you're walking through or 713 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 2: sitting down. 714 00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 1: Having a cup of tea? 715 00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 10: Yeah? 716 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 2: Who would just not even look out the window. 717 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 10: Well, here's the thing is that you're assuming that he 718 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 10: was sober any of that time. I mean, I'm not 719 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 10: saying that he was asleep two days. That's absolutely ridiculous. 720 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 10: And if he's in the throes of addiction the way 721 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 10: that he's claiming to be, then he's for sure not 722 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 10: saying asleep. He's got to get up and he's got 723 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 10: to drink or use whatever he needs to use. That 724 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 10: that's his drug of choice. But there's nothing to assume 725 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 10: that he was sober and actually paying attention to his surrounding. 726 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 10: You can't trust anything that he's saying. If he's accurate 727 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 10: in saying that he needed that he's got a problem 728 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 10: with drugs and alcohol, you can't trust anything that he 729 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 10: says because more than likely it was tanged with some 730 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 10: kind of illicious substance. So of course he's not looking 731 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 10: outside or going outside. Of course he's not getting dressed 732 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 10: right because he's not sober. 733 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 2: I mean, think about it, when you're on a plane, 734 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 2: your natural instinct is to look out. People that are 735 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 2: afraid of flying, they have to shut the window because 736 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 2: a natural instinct is to look out the window. I'm 737 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 2: just not believing that he goes two days and doesn't 738 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 2: even look out a window. 739 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 10: It's something he's not looking out the window. Is that 740 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 10: he's so hungover or he's so intoxicated he doesn't even 741 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,280 Speaker 10: know what he speek. 742 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 2: Guys, it's not just Jonathan Price, who is Ricky Johnson's brother. 743 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 2: John Harrington, father of David Harrington, is in so much 744 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 2: pain and not getting answers. 745 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: Listen. 746 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 6: John Harrington, father of one of the deceased, David Harrington, 747 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 6: says he isn't getting info from the police. The Daily 748 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 6: Mail reports that Harrington says he has been in the 749 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 6: dark regarding the investigation and says he just wants to 750 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 6: know what happened to his son. Harrington says everything he 751 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 6: has put together about what he thinks happened is just him. 752 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 6: The police haven't shared anything with him. Harrington said, my 753 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 6: son is dead. 754 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 2: Why to Jonathan Price tell me what your family is 755 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 2: going through right now? 756 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 7: I mean, this has been the most difficult saying that 757 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 7: I've ever heard faced in my life, and I've I've 758 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 7: been through his things, not that I would ever share 759 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 7: or anything, but I'm it's it's immeasurable to lose somebody 760 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 7: that growing up, he was somebody I always admired. I 761 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 7: looked up to him, and he's one of the very 762 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 7: very few people in my life that I can say 763 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 7: we never fought. Even when I was a kid and 764 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 7: he was eight years older than me, we never fought once. 765 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 7: And I always jokingly said except for whenever I wanted 766 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 7: to watch Kywer Rangers and he wanted to watch Sports Center. Now, 767 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 7: that's the only time we ever fought. But I'm perfectly 768 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 7: fine with that. And I'm going to be living with 769 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 7: regrets of not talking to my brother as much as 770 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 7: I should have throughout these years. But this is so difficult, 771 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 7: and I mean, I can't speak for my entire family, 772 00:44:53,560 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 7: but you know, it's I would understand everybody because of 773 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 7: what Ricky was in their lives. 774 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 6: Him. 775 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 7: It was a good time. Looking back. Obviously, as a child, 776 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 7: I always thought he was picking on me and stuff 777 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 7: like that, but looking back, I mean, it's so cherished 778 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 7: memories and you know, even before he passed We would 779 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 7: always joke about it and laugh about it, you know, 780 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 7: taking me to sports, going to see him play football 781 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 7: in high school and college. I mean, he he was 782 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 7: just an all around amazing person. And once he had 783 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,919 Speaker 7: his first daughter, you know, things changed for him. He 784 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 7: every everything was about her and and and trying to 785 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 7: make things right. And I mean, it hurts me to 786 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 7: to think of him suffering, and I hope that he 787 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 7: was not suffering at this time. But I mean, my 788 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 7: brother was a good, amazing man and anybody that knew 789 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 7: him would tell you that and what he would do 790 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 7: for them without any questions asked. He had such a 791 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 7: huge heart. 792 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: You were hearing, Jonathan Price. 793 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 2: This is Ricky Johnson's brother, found dead in the back 794 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 2: of Jordan Willis's home along with two other friends. Still 795 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 2: no answers. We wait as justice unfolds. God willing, goodbye friend,