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Discover the forest dot org, brought 11 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: to you by the United States Forest Service and the 12 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: account Soul My guests. So there's a very old friend. 13 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: His name is not in age. Is just an old friend, 14 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: Ryan Smith. He joined ESPN in February twenty seventeen. He 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: left me when I was still with Steve Harvey, just 16 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: watching them on TV. I was just doing radio with him, 17 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: this little low Steve Harvey Morning Show with the back 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: of the day hold of ESPN is outside the line 19 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: in East East sixty as well as New York based corresponding. 20 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: He added anchoring Sports Center to his role in twenty 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: and eighteen In addition to his role as the host, 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: Smith reports on feature stories and investigated pieces while providing 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: legal analysts across multiple ESPN platforms and ABC News. Before 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: joining ABC News, Smith served as the nightly news anchor 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: is CNS Headline News That's where we met. When he were, 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: he reported on a variety of stories, including the tragedy 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: of Sandy Hook Elementary School and some of the most 28 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: high profile trials, including the Casey Anthony trial and George Zimman. 29 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: As a legal analyst, he's offered perspective of many sports 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: related stories for ESPN, including recently to shift an n 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: c A a policy on or any money. He's here 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: today to talk about that. And by the way, he's 33 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: from Philadelphia and he's proud of it. Please welcome nobody 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: making conversations my man, Ryan Smith. How you doing, Ryan Good? 35 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: What's going on doing? I'm doing great, man, Just watching 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: a friend, you know, just see, you know, we all 37 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: got that hustle and uh of trying to And then 38 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: first of all, let me tell you that he ain't 39 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: through sitting there there doing some amazing things. But this 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: rise is still on the rise. And when I see 41 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: where you're adding what you're trying to achieve. What's the 42 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: goal for you, Ryan, what's the goal? You know? It's funny, 43 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: when I first started in this industry, I always had 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: this thing where every year I would say, well, I 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 1: want to have this role, I want to have this job, 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: I want to have this I want to anchor this show, 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: I want to leave this brand. And after a while 48 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: I just discovered Rashan that it wasn't getting me happy. 49 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like I was always chasing something. 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: So the goal actually for me right now is to 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: love what I do. And I know that's cliche, and 52 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: I know people are gonna be like, oh, whatever, man, 53 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: you would love love to like Frum the eleven o'clock 54 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Sports Center. Actually, what I would love to do is 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: be able to continue to anchor, which is my favorite 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: thing in the world to do work wise, and still 57 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: have time to spend time with my boys. My family 58 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: got two boys, they're seven years old, twins, my wife. 59 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: I like having a balanced life. So for me, it's 60 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: not just about anchoring one show or doing one brand 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: or making this amount of money. For me, it's can 62 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: I continue to anchor shows that I love, that I'm 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: interested in and stuff that motivates me. And so right 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: now I'm kind of living my goal. But to be 65 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: honest with you, I mean, for me, it's continue to 66 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: do this work and continue to do it better and 67 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: better every day. Well you know it sports is really 68 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: um we see a transcendee. You know, we're seeing uh 69 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: the honesty. I remember with Kevin Love several years ago 70 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: admitted he had an emotional health crisis and that everybody went, wow, 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: it's proudly you to step out of you your your 72 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: your window, you know, your shale in a situation because 73 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: people used to say and then recently, um Dak Prescott 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: uh spoke of his issues that he was having emotionally. 75 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: And then if we look at now what happened with 76 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: Osaka when he pulled out of the French open, and 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: then we see what happens to Own Biles. When you 78 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: see as a reporter, that has to be a high 79 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: level of sensitivity because you can't take anything personal or 80 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: you can't judge anything. How has that changed your perspective? 81 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: Ryan Smith? Reporting just in general, but it's more importantly 82 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: on the platform at ESPN. Yeah, it's been really interesting 83 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: when Kevin Love came out with this statement and other 84 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: folks like Dak Prescott, like you mentioned, came out with 85 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: their statements about taking care of their mental health. We 86 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: recognize them, we heard them, but it never stopped them 87 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: from doing their athletic competitions. Now we're seeing athletes saying, look, 88 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: I know this is the biggest stage in the world, 89 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: but uh, you know at this time, it's not the 90 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: right time for me to perform. That's something we haven't 91 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: seen before. So I think for us, the important thing 92 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: is a like you say, not judge and be sensitive. 93 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: We are in a different time now. I know there 94 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: are people out there who are saying, what your mental health? 95 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: Come on, you're at the Olympics, Simone Biles. You gotta perform. 96 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: But you know what, we are in a different generation. 97 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: We are in a generation where I think, and I 98 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: give young people credit, where young people are willing to say, 99 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: you know what, there might be another opportunity down the road. 100 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: There might not be, But what's more important for me 101 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: is that I perform when I feel mentally right to perform. 102 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: And that's something we haven't seen before. I gotta say 103 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: it's something that I have never seen. I mean, I 104 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: can tell you many times when I played sports, and 105 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: I was younger. I was not in the right mind frame. 106 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: I felt like it was all the pressure was getting 107 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: to me and it was difficult, but I felt like 108 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: I had to do it. I think it's interesting that 109 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: the younger generations Simone Biles, Naomi Osaka and others are 110 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: stepping up and saying, I don't have to do this 111 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: if I don't feel right about doing it, and I 112 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: don't know Rushan, if there's anything wrong with that. I 113 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: think that's actually right. We assert that in our own lives. 114 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: We tell our own children, don't be bullied into doing something. Don't. 115 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: Don't people tell you to do something you don't want 116 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: to do it, you say no. We tell that to 117 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: our children, and yet on the biggest stage in the world, 118 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: when they're feeling uncomfortable, we say, I'm sure some people 119 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: out there are saying, you know what, no, go perform. 120 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: That's the antithesis of what we've been trying to establish 121 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: in our own lives. So I say, if I'm able 122 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: to do it in my own profession, in my own life, 123 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: I need to give that same leeway to to athletes 124 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: out there. And that's kind of how I approach it. 125 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: And reporting I don't judge, I don't say anything about that. 126 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: I acknowledge that it's different. But at the same time 127 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: I leave room for the explanation. Let's hear why, and 128 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: also let's be sensitive to why, understanding that everybody is 129 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: different and everybody has their own perspective when it comes 130 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: to mental health. Well, you know the thing about it 131 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: with your reference when you when you were playing and 132 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: you you was uncomfortable, but then when you was uncomfortable, 133 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: you didn't have to deal with social media. You don't 134 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 1: have to deal with the likes, the criticisms, And that's 135 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: really the baggage. I always tell people. Social media really 136 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: is your own personal press conference. You don't have to 137 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: call a press conference. You just post. And because of that, 138 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, you have the cell phones where a video 139 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: can be you you can stream, and so they electronic 140 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: leash and so you can't really get away. You know, 141 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: back in the day, when I was going up, you know, 142 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: I can just I could, I was, I was, I 143 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: wasn't at home. Okay, when you called, that's not an 144 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: excuse anymore, you know, then they went, oh you I 145 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: text you, I didn't get your text. Guess that excuse 146 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: you anymore. And so now if you some on biles 147 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: and you and you stumble, or you or you do 148 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: a spin or you fall off the balance being she 149 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: goes to the home, it's criticism and some of its 150 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: just nasty. And then it's the the commercial endorsement of 151 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: people that put you on the pedestal. All of that, 152 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: and then the highlight reels whether they're whether the instances 153 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: or not to go to go home, and you realize 154 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: that you can't watch TV, you can't watch the media 155 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: because they we have all have their base stories. So 156 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: somewhere an athlete now is trapped in the media that 157 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: also you know, emotes their said says right, yeah, but 158 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: I will say this and to your point, by the way, 159 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: I was the last guy of all people I knew 160 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: to get a cell phone. I was the last guy 161 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: to want to get to be reached anywhere. My whole 162 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: thing was when social media, cell phones, all that stuff 163 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: blew up. That was the last thing I wanted to 164 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: participate because I love my animenity. I love being able 165 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: to do my thing and then disappear. So this whole 166 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: new generation of everybody putting their stuff out there all 167 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: the time, I've just never really been in touch with 168 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: that in the same way. But to your point, here's 169 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: the issue that I think a lot of athletes face. 170 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: They want the adulation that comes with the success, but 171 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: ultimately you are not always going to be successful, and 172 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: you have to be willing to accept the other side 173 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: of it. Now, I'm not speaking to Naomi Osaka or 174 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: Simone Biles directly, but what I'm saying is I'm fairly certain, 175 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: at least in some place in in their minds, that 176 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: they knew that criticism was going to from making these moves. 177 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: What I admire in them is that they're doing them anyway, 178 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: because that's hard. I mean, you talk about some own 179 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: Biles or Naomi Osaka, you know, millions of followers, people 180 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: dissecting their every move, and yet still they're saying, you 181 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: know what, I know that heat is going to come, 182 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: but I'm still willing to stand up for what I 183 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: believe is my mental health. And I really encourage people 184 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: to take a long term view of this, and I 185 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: promise you I'm not trying to be pc, but let's 186 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: just think about this. Let's say that she performed in 187 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: the Olympics and her mental health was really deteriorating in 188 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: ways that we could never imagine. And let's say things 189 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: went really poorly for her, or in her mind, went 190 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: really poorly. The Olympics is over, we all move on, 191 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: we do our thing. She's still in that space. Months later, 192 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: she's still in that space. Years later, she's still in 193 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: that space. And I think that's what we miss when 194 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: we're so quick to hit Twitter and criticize. Naomi Osaka 195 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: talked about suffering from depression, not from a week ago 196 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: before Wimbledon, but for months for agession, thinking about what 197 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: it was like to face these questions. I think we 198 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: don't think about that because we're so short term in 199 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: our thinking. We're so like and just to read the 200 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: next tweet or see the next win that we don't 201 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: think about. Maybe someone Biles is making this decision because 202 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: it's not about today or tomorrow or the Olympics, but 203 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: it's about how this might affect her for years to come. 204 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: And I have to tell you I have spoken to 205 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: many athletes over time. 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This morning. 248 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: Mom is coming off the front door strong with a 249 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: double arm kid carry. Looks like dad has the bags. 250 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: Daughter is bringing up the rear. Oh, but the diaper 251 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: bead wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere. But mom 252 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: has just nailed the perfect car seat buckle for the toddler. 253 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: And now the eldest daughter, who looks to be about 254 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: nine or ten, has secured herself in the booster seat. 255 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: Dead zips the bad clothes and they're off. But looks 256 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: like Mom doesn't realize her coffee cup is still on 257 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: the roof of the car and there it goes. Oh, 258 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: that's a shame. That mug was a fan favorite. Don't 259 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: sweat the small stuff. Just nailed the big stuff, like 260 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: making sure your kids are buckled correctly in the right 261 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: seat for their agent's eyes. Learn more n h t 262 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: s a dot gov slash the Right Seat visits n 263 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: h s A dot Gov slash the Right Seat brought 264 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: to you by Mitza and the ad Council. Well, I 265 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: agree with that because of the fact that that guy 266 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: shared off air my daughter. You know, she was a 267 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: tennis phenomen and I could just tell you know the 268 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: game and her effort was starting to differ, you know, 269 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: expectations and the efforts you wanted to do was that, Okay, 270 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: she had been hitting the boss since she was six 271 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: years old, and she was in sixteen. You know, she 272 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: was definitely a pro brad. And then she broke her 273 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: foot and then she came back and there was a shoulder, 274 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: and then it was like an injury after injury, and 275 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: then she kept coming back and it was like every 276 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: time she came back, it was like you can see 277 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: a deterioration mental and physical deterioration. And so a lot 278 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: of people don't put that in perspective to come back. 279 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: But more importantly, what we take away from this, and 280 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna move on to other stories because your your 281 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: careers are It's something I want to talk about how 282 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: you be able to transition from the George Zimmerman's to 283 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: the some own bio stories and so seamlessly, and so 284 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: especially legal analysts side of it is that now when 285 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: you look at young athletes, the part that really affects 286 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: me of the emotion now is the young athletes who 287 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: are not getting paid in the n c a A A 288 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: because of the fact that now you know, the expectations 289 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: are differently. Now, you know, like they said, the young 290 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: quarterback for the Alabama he has almost a million dollars endorsement. No, 291 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's not just one million. You mighty 292 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: have like ten different people who have given him money. 293 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: So there's like ten different people able to pull him 294 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: or make demands on him, and they have expectations if 295 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't throw a touchdown, if he throws an interception, 296 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: and so that whole part of the of the wire 297 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: because when you look at these high profile people, they 298 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: do have you know, people's psyche, you know, UH coaches 299 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: who are motivating there and they've brought on board to 300 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: make sure they psychists together they understand why they fail 301 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: and why they achieved. Talk about that perspective, Ryan, would 302 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: you see these young eighteen sixteen year players getting ten 303 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a hundred thousand dollars and being turned around? 304 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: But the expectations come with a penalty sometimes, Oh, it's 305 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: gonna be a challenge to say, and we gotta see 306 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: how it goes because name, image and likeness has just 307 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: started giving the athletes the ability to get this. But Rashan, 308 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: I start from this place. The n c A is 309 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: a billion dollar industry, multibillion dollar industry. For years, everybody 310 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: has been taken home the money accept the people on 311 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: the field, mostly black and brown. So to me, the 312 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: fact that athletes are now able to get money to 313 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: make these deals is a win, a huge win, because 314 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: we have to have that kind of system. We cannot 315 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: simply say, oh, amateurism dictates that this guy can go 316 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: run into a wall. He has to prove himself every 317 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: single year because a lot of people don't know. When 318 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: you get a four year full ride, it's not a 319 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: full year for year full ride. Every single year. They 320 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: gotta read up that ride. So if you didn't perform 321 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: that first year, even though you're the best athlete in 322 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: your state, they could be like, we're taking your scholarship away. 323 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: Oh you don't have them enough money to go to 324 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: the school. That's too bad, see you later. It doesn't 325 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: matter what happens to you. That has been the life 326 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: for tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of athletes. 327 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: So the fact that they're able to collect and capitalize 328 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: on their talent now I think young people and I 329 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: think it's a great thing. Now you talk about the 330 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: idea of the pressure they face because of that. I 331 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: think you're right, and I think it behooves them, and 332 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: I think you're probably gonna the industry is popping up 333 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: of folks who are going to manage those athletes and 334 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: manage those folks to make sure that the pressure isn't 335 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: too great. But I think what we have to find 336 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: out about all of this is how it will affect. 337 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: It's just so new that we don't know what's going 338 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: to happen to say, someone like Bryce Young who plays 339 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: for Alabama, the quarterback you mentioned, and if things don't 340 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: go well initially, what will sponsors say? What were the 341 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: people giving him endorsements say? I think that right now, 342 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: his agent and the people advising him, excuse me, the 343 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: people advising him, not as agent, have to be telling him. Look, 344 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: be ready to take the good with the bad. That's 345 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: what I always kind of I think that's got to 346 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: be a core part of athletics right now, especially when 347 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: you talk about these new areas of making money and 348 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: managing different issues. You've got to be able to accept 349 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: the good with the bad. You're putting yourself out there, 350 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: you're making endorsement money, You're putting yourself out there on 351 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: social media. That's great. You just have to be able 352 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: to accept the fact that there's a lot of haters 353 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: out there, that there's a lot of people that are 354 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: gonna come at you. But the first time you throw 355 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: an interception that somebody might say, why are we paying 356 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: this guy? And I think you've got to be ready 357 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: for that expectation. That's what's gonna be The interesting thing. 358 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: Can these young people handle the idea that everything is 359 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: not going to come up roses just because they're signing 360 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: an endorsement contract or have a lot of status, And 361 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a number. I think we have to 362 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: trust our young people and believe that, hey, they've gotten 363 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: this far on this stage despite all the criticism and 364 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: the fans who have tried to attack them, and the 365 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: people have come out at them all the way through 366 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: this journey to get where they've gotten. They can do 367 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: it again. They can do it through this period as well. 368 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: And the biggest thing about it is, no matter what 369 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: happens in their college career, they've got something for what 370 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: they did on that stage that made billions of dollars 371 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: for these universities. That I think is the most critical 372 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: part of it. I appreciate that I'm talking to Ryan Smith. 373 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: Ryan ESPN. We uh sports, we're even part of our conversation. 374 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: You know, I was still business advantager Steve Harvey The 375 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: Highlights and still very successful Steve Harvard Morning Show, and 376 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: we both based in Atlanta. He was in Atlanta, and 377 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: I was always, uh, get him on the show to 378 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: talk about cases, cases like the Casey Anthony story from 379 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: a legal perspective, from his perspective, to George Zimmilum story 380 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: that we know they went down with Trayvon Martin and 381 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: that whole trial at this that that control of the 382 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: country and launched Benjamin Crump into his RAPHI our our 383 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: civil rights are that he is in today. But I 384 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: never saw this coming. I never saw the ESPN anchor. 385 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: I never saw the sports side of you coming out. 386 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: Talk about where you were where it then, and then 387 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about transition, because then I would see 388 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: you pop up on ESPN doing legal analysts work. So 389 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: let's talk about that journey in Atlantic when you and 390 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: I first met, the perspective and the mindset you had 391 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: to have versus the mindset that you have now as 392 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: a sports anchor and an expert on sport because you 393 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: are an expert on sports, because you anchor sports. Yeah, 394 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you so. So first to your question, 395 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: I want to say when I When you and I 396 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: met in Atlanta, I had basically just gotten into TV. 397 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: I was a lawyer, and around two thousand and ten, 398 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, I just decided I kind of hit 399 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: a wall with as far as I wanted to go 400 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: practicing law, and I ended up getting in television because 401 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: I did guest spots here and there. Just Uh, first 402 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: I made a real I had a producer friend who 403 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: was like, you gotta make a real if you want 404 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: to get into television. I was just kind of thinking, 405 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: maybe I'll do something, So I went out. I made 406 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: a reel on the streets of New York, just interviewing 407 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: random people. I interviewed a film director, a couple other folks. 408 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: Somebody saw me on BT. Somebody saw my real and 409 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: they put me on a show called My Two Cents. 410 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: I hosted that for a while. Then they was basically 411 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: a show about the black community, curated by three other 412 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: me and three other people. And then uh, I ended 413 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: up doing a Sharp Talk, which was Al Sharpton's talk 414 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: show on TV one, somebody on CNN saw me, went 415 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 1: from there, went to their networks, and then finally cour 416 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: TV brought me on to be an anchor for their 417 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: new brand that they were launching at HLN. But Rashaana, 418 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: I gotta actually say thank you to you, because early 419 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: on when I started doing HLN, I was still learning 420 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: how to build beyond my job. And you noticed me 421 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: on HLN and Core TV talking about these cases, and 422 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: you brought me onto the Steve Harvey Show. And I 423 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: gotta tell you that did wonders, not only for my 424 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: ability to communicate with people, but forgetting to know a 425 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: new audience and forgetting people to trust me in these 426 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: areas of cases. Because Steve Harvey's audience was so big, 427 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: and it was so diverse, and and the talent on 428 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: the Steve Harvey Show was so willing to engage with 429 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: me on the show. It taught me that I didn't 430 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: have to just be restricted by what I was doing 431 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: in television. I could do other things. I could jump 432 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: on Steve Harvey Show, I could jump on all these 433 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: other shows. And it gave me the level of confidence 434 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: that I didn't have before that moment. So I just 435 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: I just wanted to step out and say thank you 436 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: for that, because you kept putting me on UM in 437 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: a way that like shocked me so much and made 438 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: me so happy, but at the same time got me 439 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: out of his mindset of just television. So from there 440 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: I expanded it. I said, look, I want to do sports. 441 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start telling HLN. I want to do sports stories. Right. 442 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: I went to HLN and I said, I want to 443 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: do more. They started putting me on as an anchor, 444 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: and they gave me my own show, and eventually I 445 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: seguated to ABC, where I used some of the stuff 446 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: that I learned not only from working with you, but 447 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: also working from h working at HLN to really start 448 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: in on having a sports beat for g M, for 449 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: Good Morning America and shows like that. And that's really 450 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: where it began in terms of covering sports. What girls 451 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: in the forest trees? Sure you know what else? 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Forest Service, your state Forrester 477 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: and the ad Council, Well, we just tell her thank 478 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: you for the compliment, thank you for having the talent. 479 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: And I would tell you anybody because when I look 480 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: at somebody like Ryan and he's talent and plus he's 481 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: a grinder, I said, it's a lot of people want 482 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: to do what you do. A lot of people don't 483 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: answer the call. I'm tired, uh, tomorrow because I call 484 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: him at the last minute. Sometime I see no TV, 485 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: I say, Monica, call call right, I see if you 486 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: can do the show tomorrow. And then I was asking 487 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: him to come into an environment where I had comedians, uh, 488 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: and he didn't. And honestly he had to trust me 489 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: too because of the fact that he was he was 490 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: a lawyer, he was on he was talking to serious 491 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: stories and sometimes Steve Harvey or nephew Tommy what Ben 492 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: of course to them that he had to stay focused on. 493 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: He had to see the story true. And so that's 494 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: why I respect to the most about it. You understood 495 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: the balance of what I was trying to do. You 496 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: understood entertainment, but you're also in understood the storytelling of 497 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: telling the story correctly. That was a gift that you have, 498 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: my friend, and it shows up, it shows up on 499 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: TV every time I watch you. It's a it's a 500 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: nice humbleness in your reporting. And uh we we were 501 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: on radio back then. Now you're on TV, so nobody 502 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: saw us. Back then, you just just heard your voice 503 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: and heard your articulation. And now just seeing your TV, 504 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: it's still it's still watching the sports side of you. 505 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: You know, you come from a Philadelphia market which is 506 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: like crazy about sports. It's so opinionated. So in your face, 507 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: it's like, how do you how do you you know 508 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: your Philadelphia just had a just a disastrous basketball season. Yeah, 509 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 1: the base all teams, they're frustrate you. They got rid 510 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: of the quarterback that they thought it was gonna be 511 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: the quarterback of the future. We don't know if Jalen 512 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: Hurts is a quarterback. Talk to him about I'm so 513 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: proud to be for Philadelphia. How proud are you in football, 514 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: basketball and baseball? I'm always proud. Let me let me 515 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: tell everybody the key to be at a Philadelphia sports fan, 516 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: and why everything you said doesn't even make me angry. 517 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: We expect, we expect to be bad, we expect wow, 518 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: if good things happen were elated because we always thought 519 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: we were gonna lose. It's like, I gotta tell you 520 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: this funny story. Like a friend of mine called me 521 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: after we won the Super Bowl a couple of years back, 522 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: and he was like, man, you finally did it. We've 523 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: been ripping on Philly all this time. You finally wanted 524 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: the super Bowl? What do you think? I'm like, Man, 525 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. Can we do this again next year? 526 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: It's like that's the Philly fan mentality. It's like we 527 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: can't accept anything for being real in terms of success 528 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: because we've had so much failure and because every other 529 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: city around us has so many wins. I mean, we're 530 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: right down the road through New York. We got Baltimore 531 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: not far away, we got d C not far away, 532 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: and it's like we've had to deal with all their success. 533 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: So for us, it's like we're expecting to lose. So 534 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: when the Sixers blew it in the playoffs this year, 535 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was hanging on like this is 536 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: our year. I was like, man, Ben Simmons can't shoot, 537 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: so how are we gonna make it to the finals? 538 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: And we didn't make it to the finals, so I 539 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: wasn't devastated. It's kind of like, and I hate that 540 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: on that way, and it's like I got I have 541 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: two young kids now and their Eagles fans, and I 542 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: try to tell them, like, you gotta be positive about 543 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: your team. They're like, well then, Daddy, why do you 544 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: always think they're gonna lose. I'm like, don't listen to me. 545 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: I spoke as on I gotta I got a sports 546 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: expert in the Philadelphia fan You see Ben Simmons. You 547 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: see Janice who had who went to that line despite 548 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 1: the booze, he went to that line. He and he 549 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: took two shots. Kim, Ben Simmons make that transition. Yeah, 550 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 1: let me tell you so. So that this is what 551 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: we all kind of feel about Ben Simmons. We think 552 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: that the first couple of years in Philly, because he 553 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: was such a great talent and because he could do 554 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: so many things well, the coaching staff there and the 555 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: management there didn't push him to go beyond what he 556 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: was good at. And so the demands. What you got 557 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: to say to a player is look, you gotta shoot 558 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: in this game. You're not gonna shoot, You're gonna sit 559 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: on the bench, You're the Superstar. Great, you made the 560 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: All Star team. Great, but you're not shooting. You're on 561 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: the bench. Oh, he didn't take a shot this game. 562 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: Let's put him in a second quarter, Like, you gotta 563 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: teach him that way. He gets mad, he sulked whatever, 564 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: dudes under contract, where is he gonna go? So it's like, 565 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: you gotta treat him like that. And that didn't happen 566 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: in Philly. So years and years and years go by 567 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: and that didn't happen coming into this season. So he 568 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: learned this mentality of being good at what he was 569 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: good at, but not wanting to try and not wanting 570 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: to work at what he wasn't good at, despite the 571 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: fact that he knew that would hamper him in the playoffs. 572 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: So once we got into the playoffs and the heat 573 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: was turned up and people started hacking him, and I gat, 574 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: I give the Wizards credit because they came up with 575 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: the system of let's hack. Then let's send him to 576 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: the line. Once he couldn't make the shot, his mental 577 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: broke down and he said, Uh, I can't do this, 578 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna avoid it at all costs. Now I'm 579 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: not driving to the basket because I don't want to 580 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: get foul. This is a really important lesson for all 581 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: your listeners and anybody who's watching today. And we're talking 582 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: about getting into the TV business and all of this, 583 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: because I've learned this lesson firsthand when I started in 584 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: this business, and Rashun, I'm sure you have the same experience. 585 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: There was a lot that I wasn't good at a lot. 586 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: But the thing is, you gotta go on air and 587 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: make the mistakes. I used to have a YouTube channel 588 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: where people could look me up and see all the 589 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: mistakes I made, including not knowing where the camera was, 590 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: not knowing what show I was on. I mean, it's 591 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: like you got to go on and make these mistakes 592 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: in order to get better. If you're not willing to 593 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: make the mistakes in terms in front of everyone, if 594 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: you're not willing to ask the stupid questions, if you're 595 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: not willing to extend in ways that you haven't extended before, 596 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: you don't get better and you remain the same exact talent. 597 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, John, I've known people in 598 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: this industry. It's like they're playing the same old song 599 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: every single day. And I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying, 600 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: how can you expect to get further and be better 601 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: unless you're extending beyond your comfort zone. So that's the 602 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: big problem with Ben Simmons, and we can related to 603 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: what we're talking about right now. It's like anybody watching 604 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: who wants to get into anything or wants to be 605 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: like you be a top of their industry. You didn't 606 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: get there without making mistakes, public mistakes, mistakes other people 607 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: can see, and you grew from them, and you got 608 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: better from them, And that's what I hope Ben Simmons. 609 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't think we should trade them. I think we 610 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: should keep them. I think we should give him another chance. 611 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: I think he's so good at the things he's good at. 612 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: But the thing is, this is crunch time, summer, and 613 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: he's got to realize it is the life lesson time. 614 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: Am I willing to make the mistakes and be better 615 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: and look foolish in front of a lot of people 616 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: at the things I'm bad at in order to be great? 617 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: If he's I'll give him another year with that. If 618 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: he's willing to try that awesome, he's gonna be an 619 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: amazing talent, maybe one of the best ever. If he's not, 620 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: he's always gonna be who he is. Uh. My last question, 621 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: is this just just the part about it that I 622 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: love about you, that amazes me about you? Is this? Okay? 623 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: Being a sports analyst, you know, anchor, you know you 624 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: the monitor feeds you the information, okay, and then you 625 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: come on there, Then you come on there, and then 626 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: you are an analysts from a legal perspective, Which is 627 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: which which? Which? Which is also I think even more 628 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: difficult because you're sharing facts and you're siring defended to 629 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: moments like if you say, somebody ms the free throw, 630 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: we see it? Will you? Will you come down as 631 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: a legal analyst and they're asking you your perspective, the journey, 632 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: the consequences. How are you able to shift those two 633 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: gears comfortably like that? Ryan Smith? Oh man, it's hard. 634 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: I tell you it's hard. And let me tell you 635 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: it is. You and I met when I was covering 636 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias and those kinds of trials. 637 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, it's really funny to say 638 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: that the the anger and the venom you get for 639 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 1: talking about a legal issue in sports was ten times 640 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: greater than anything I ever experienced talking about Casey Anthony 641 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: Jodi Arias, George Zimmerman or any of those cases. It's 642 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: just the intensity. Like I remember I covered the Ezekiel 643 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: Elliott uh story when he was he was facing some 644 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: domestic violence issues in the NFL was suspending him. Cowboy 645 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: fans were all over every word I said, and it 646 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: was like, I'm just trying to report the facts, just 647 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: trying to tell you how the analysis. They don't care 648 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: what you're anti cowboy. I hear you're from Philly. You're 649 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: trying to sink my board like so that that makes 650 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: you even have to have a higher standard of I 651 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: gotta get everything right and may get mistakes. See asked 652 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: how I make the trends position. To me, it's almost 653 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: different sides of your brain. So you're right when you're 654 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 1: anchoring a lot of times you've got prompter and your 655 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: ad living too. But I gotta tell you, I'm gonna 656 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: come back to you again. Being on Steve Harvey, having 657 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: a flex with being like getting into working with comedians 658 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: but also giving analysis. It taught me flexibility. Being on 659 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: HLN and CNN a lot of times you're ad living 660 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: in the field. It taught me that sometimes you're reading 661 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: the prompter. But then also sometimes you have to be 662 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: able to give coherent thoughts quickly. And so for me, 663 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: it's almost about separating different sides of your brain. One 664 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: is I'm reading, I'm telling the news, which is you're anchoring. 665 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: But the other side is when you're doing legal analysts, 666 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: when you're doing legal analysis. The key for me rashwan research, research, research, 667 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: before I even show up on air. So my whole 668 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: job is I got to know the issue back and forth, 669 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 1: left and right, be ready for any question. And sometimes 670 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: I tell them don't even tell me the question. I 671 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: just put the onus on myself to know as much 672 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: as I can then when they asked the question. And 673 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: the first job I have to the viewer is whatever 674 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: is complicated, I gotta make it simple. I gotta start 675 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: out with a way to take whatever is most complicated 676 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: about this is you, Okay, here's what desa on Watson 677 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: might be facing. Make it simple. Give me one statement 678 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: right up front, just the crux of it, and then 679 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: going to the analysis. To me, if I know my 680 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: material well, I can boil it down and give it 681 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: to you in thirty seconds to a minute the most 682 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: important facts. And I can only do one or two things. 683 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: I can't try to jump on seventeen different things. And 684 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: that's the key. The key is like taking that complicated 685 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: stuff and making it simple. Research, do the work, and 686 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: then when I'm giving the presentation, know my audience. If 687 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: my audience is Sports Center, I know the time frame 688 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: that they've got to listen to me talk about a 689 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: legal issue. Each question is like forty two What can 690 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: I give them that's powerful about this case that is 691 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: different in terms of the analysis, that's something they didn't 692 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: know int it. And how can I do it as 693 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: simply as possible using the easiest possible words. That's the challenge. 694 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: And so the way I do it is I just 695 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: think about how we're talking right now, We're just having 696 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: a normal conversation. Why do I have to throw in 697 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: words like rescue, Dakata and Promistorius stop all like it's 698 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: just you know, let's just have a conversation like I 699 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: would and it's almost and just say one thing. When 700 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: I was when I was practicing law, had a partner 701 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: who used to advise me. It was one of my mentors, 702 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: and he told me, if the client doesn't understand you, 703 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: you haven't done your job. That's what I was raised in. 704 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: So my job was always not to always be the 705 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: smartest guy in the room. It was to make sure 706 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: my client understood where I was coming from, clearly, completely, 707 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: and that's what I do on air. The job is 708 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: not to overcomplicate it for you. It's to make sure 709 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: you understand it. And if people didn't understand it, I 710 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: haven't done my job. Ryan, Um, I understand you, my friend. 711 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm glad we took time to talk again your family 712 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: and so we're talking again in the fall, but again 713 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: proud of you. I'm so absolutely proud of you, man. 714 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: And uh, when I get up New York with with 715 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: well we'll connect, but again in Bristol, will connect. But 716 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: again keep winning man, and don't change. And thank you 717 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: for coming on money Making Conversations. Thank you for having 718 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: me and Rashaan again. Thank you for helping start my 719 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: career and really helped me build my career. I mean 720 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: you you were such an important part of getting me starting, 721 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: getting me launched, and I really appreciate I'll never forget it. 722 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: And it's great to talk. Thank you, my friend. If 723 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: you want to see you are hearing in my interviews 724 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: on money making conversations. Please go to Money Making Conversation 725 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: dot com. 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