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Speaker 1: Welcome to talking politics.

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Speaker 2: We've got a good one for you today, and we

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Speaker 1: What a week.

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Speaker 2: This week, President Trump remembered that the economy was the

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Speaker 2: most important issue to his base. It was the signature

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Speaker 2: promise he made to MAGA voters, and plenty of others voted.

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Speaker 1: For him because of it.

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Speaker 2: He got a bunch of young voters, first time voters,

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Speaker 2: Hispanic voters, independents, all because he was saying what Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden and Kamala Harris wouldn't, which was that the economy sucked. Now,

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Speaker 2: it was good politics for him to focus on affordability

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Speaker 2: and lowering inflation, lowering the cost of goods during the election,

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Speaker 2: especially since again Biden at all kept saying the economy

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Speaker 2: is great, it's strong as hell, or it's great, but

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Speaker 2: you might not feel it yet because of lagging indicators. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb,

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Speaker 2: and Trump said, voters are telling us the economy is

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Speaker 2: the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: So that's the thing I'll focus on. Duh.

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Speaker 2: It was in rocket science. So he told them he'd

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Speaker 2: fix the economy. He'd fix it on day one.

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Speaker 1: Inflation gone, grocery bills down. Now voters knew he didn't

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Speaker 1: actually mean day one. That wouldn't be possible, So they

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Speaker 1: gave him a grace.

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Speaker 2: Period, a grace period during which they watched the administration

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Speaker 2: focus on like a thousand other things. There were the

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Speaker 2: dumb doge cuts that had almost no effect on the economy,

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Speaker 2: no positive effect, that is, though they did lead to

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Speaker 2: job losses, slower growth, danger to public safety.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Then there were the dumb tariffs, which have only made

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Speaker 2: the economy worse because tariffs are attacks on us consumers.

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Speaker 1: We're all paying for his dumb trade war.

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Speaker 2: You see it in your grocery bills, cost of furniture, close,

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Speaker 2: all kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: And it's led to more unemployment.

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Speaker 2: As the rocketing business operating costs negatively impact hiring. Tariffs

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Speaker 2: have really impacted our farmers who haven't had countries to

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Speaker 1: So Trump just bailed them out.

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Speaker 2: To the tune of twelve billion dollars to remind his

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Speaker 2: tariffs punished farmers and you as consumers. So he's using

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Speaker 2: taxpayer money, our money, to bail out farmers when we're

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Speaker 2: already paying more for everything because of the tariffs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that sounds like good economics, Trumps threatened to invade Canada, Panama, Greenland.

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Speaker 2: Now we're basically at war with Venezuela. He sent the

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Speaker 2: lowering crime and curbing illegal immigration, to very unpopular initiatives

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Speaker 2: that have resulted in his appeal among Hispanics and young

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Speaker 2: people absolutely cratering. And he forced the longest government shut

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Speaker 2: down in history Gildaly watching as federal workers went without pay,

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Speaker 2: kids went without food, veterans went without important services for

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Speaker 2: what for nothing. And he's spending millions on a new

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Speaker 2: ballroom at the White House, on gold lettering, putting his

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Speaker 2: and he's played a lot of golf all while Americans,

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Speaker 2: millions of them are without jobs or they're working three

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Speaker 2: just to make basic ends meet. They can't afford rent mortgages,

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Speaker 2: but they can't afford to move. College grads can't find

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Speaker 2: And now a majority of Americans believe the economy is

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Speaker 2: outcry among voters but also Republican lawmakers who are hearing

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Speaker 2: from their outraged constituents that the economy still sucks and

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Speaker 2: is getting worse. That apparently was enough to pry Trump

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Speaker 2: to address the economy again, the most important issue to

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Speaker 1: How did he address the economy? Oh, I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: you asked.

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Speaker 2: Here are some of the ways in which he has

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Speaker 2: addressed voter concerns about the economy this week.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about the economy, sir, here

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Speaker 3: at home, and I wonder what grade you would.

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Speaker 4: Give A plus, A plus, A plus plus, plus plus plus.

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Speaker 1: Great, terrific.

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Speaker 2: Then there was this at a rally in a swing

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Speaker 1: So they have a new word.

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Speaker 4: You know, they always have a hoax.

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Speaker 1: The new word is affordability.

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Speaker 4: So they look at the camera and they say, this

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Speaker 4: erection is all about affordability, sax.

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Speaker 2: Then here's what he told Americans who are struggling to

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Speaker 1: Here's what he said to do about that.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can give up certain products.

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Speaker 4: You can give up pencils, guys, under the China policy,

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Speaker 4: you know, every child can get thirty seven pencils.

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Speaker 1: They only need one or two. You know they don't

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Speaker 4: Many, but you always need, You always need steal. You

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Speaker 4: don't need thirty seven dollars for your daughter. Two or

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Speaker 4: three is nice, but you don't need thirty seven dollars.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So to recap on the issue that matters most to

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Speaker 2: plus plus plus plus. Also, affordability is a hoax, and

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Speaker 2: buy fewer pencils and dolls. He's saying this to his

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Speaker 2: own voters as they tell him they blame him for

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Speaker 2: the shitty economy. Look, I don't have to tell you

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Speaker 2: how politically stupid this is. To tell voters they're wrong

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Speaker 2: about isn't even real politics. One on one, folks, you

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Speaker 2: don't do this. And the midterms are less than a

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Speaker 2: year away, making this even dumber. I can almost hear

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Speaker 2: the muffled cries of Republican lawmakers who know how bad

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Speaker 2: this is for them and also know there's nothing they

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Speaker 2: can do about it because Trump, Trump's gonna Trump, and

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Speaker 2: this is what they voted for.

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Speaker 1: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, after a quick break, we've got a great guest

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Speaker 2: who can help talk us through the political perils of

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Speaker 2: this message.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to talking politics. I'm so happy to have

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Speaker 2: with me today a friend. He was a longtime New

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Speaker 2: York congressman who will proudly tell you he left Congress

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Speaker 2: undefeated and unindicted. He was chair of the d tribrac

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Speaker 2: so we know something about midterm elections and House math.

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Speaker 2: And now he runs the Institute of Politics and Global

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Speaker 2: Affairs at my alma mater, Cornell University. He also runs

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Speaker 2: a bookstore in Oyster Bay, and he has a new

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Speaker 2: book out. Steve Israel, welcome to talk.

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Speaker 3: He's always a pleasure to be with you.

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Speaker 1: I love talking to you now.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, and I'm excited to talk to you about the

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Speaker 2: Einstein conspiracy, your new book. But first let me just

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Speaker 2: get your take, Steve on the absolute political malpractice of

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Speaker 2: what Trump is doing right now. The way he's talking

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Speaker 2: about the economy, the way he's dismissing the top issue

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Speaker 2: as a hoax. You know, Trump gets away with a

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Speaker 2: lot that other politicians don't.

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Speaker 1: Will he get away with this?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. In fact, we're actually witnessing the

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Speaker 3: slow and inexorable unraveling of the Trump presidency and a

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Speaker 3: Republican majority. I thought you framed our political climate up perfectly.

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Speaker 3: Just now you said something that really struck me. You

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Speaker 3: said about you can almost hear the muffled whispers of Republicans.

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Speaker 3: I spent my entire week in Washington, d C. Talking

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Speaker 3: to my former colleagues, Democrats and Republicans, not so muffled

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Speaker 3: the whispers they tell in a state of anxiety. They

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Speaker 3: you know, they were not talking about whether they would

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Speaker 3: lose the majority in the House, but will it be

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Speaker 3: single digits or double digits?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Trump is in this past week, Trump hit the the

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Speaker 3: mid twenties in job approval among independent voters. Those are

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Speaker 3: the voters who decide in competitive battlefield congressional districts whether

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Speaker 3: there's going to be a Democratic majority or a Republican majority.

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Speaker 3: That's right, If you're a swing voter and your Trump's

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Speaker 3: job approval is twenty percent or twenty five percent, that

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Speaker 3: is an existential threat. And now something else happened this

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Speaker 3: past week. Yes, and that that freaked out Republicans and

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So you're taking a look at empirical evidence of whether

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Speaker 3: Trump can get away with this behavior or not, and

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Speaker 3: the evidence is answering your question, he's not.

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Speaker 2: And let me add another what happened yesterday in Indiana, Yes, exactly,

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Speaker 2: state lawmakers decided no to his pressure campaign to redistrict.

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Speaker 2: They said no to him. He's not used to hearing

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Speaker 2: that from Republicans. Do you think he's weakening a bit

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Speaker 2: in terms of how much he can apply pressure to people?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you Idiana Republicans for putting

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Speaker 3: the country ahead of your party's very partisan, narrow goal.

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Speaker 3: Good for them. And whether it's a matter of Republicans

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Speaker 3: being able to strengthen on principle or the President going

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Speaker 3: deeper into a lane duck presidency and viewed by Republicans

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Speaker 3: as harming them, as taking seats away from them in

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Speaker 3: the midterm, the combination of those two things as created

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Speaker 3: assess that he is problematic for their survival. Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 3: used to tell me, I love this lines. So one

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Speaker 3: they love me. I thought, well, that's a little bit peculiar,

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Speaker 3: and then two seconds later she said, but they love

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Speaker 3: them more. Ah. Right, So every if you're a congress person,

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Speaker 3: no matter who you are, you may love President Trump,

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Speaker 3: but you love your reelection more. That's right. We're going

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Speaker 3: to see more signs of that.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: And listen, you're not just seeing it in the House

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Speaker 2: where they're up every two years, and the Senate too.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Senate rejected the filibuster push. So it

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Speaker 2: is interesting. I'm always loathe to like jump on the

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Speaker 2: magas breaking apart. This is the end of Trump is

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Speaker 2: I'm always because he always comes back. But you really

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Speaker 2: are seeing I think something new, which is a lot

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Speaker 2: of people in a lot of disparate different places who

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Speaker 2: have not said no to him in the past saying no.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me.

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Speaker 2: Even about the calendar. It's December. Midterms are just under

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Speaker 2: a month away.

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Speaker 1: A year away.

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Speaker 2: When do things that are happening really start to impact midterms?

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Speaker 1: Like when is a party?

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Speaker 2: Are you trying to solidify your messaging so it has

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Speaker 2: maximum impact before elections? Is what's happening now going to

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Speaker 2: impact midterms? I guess is what I'm asking.

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Speaker 3: What's happening in the next two and a half weeks

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Speaker 3: is absolutely pivotal. It's a great question. Okay, what will

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Speaker 3: happen when members go home and sit with their families

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Speaker 3: during the holidays, yes, and make decisions on whether they

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Speaker 3: want to put themselves through this through another cycle. When

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Speaker 3: I chaired the D TRIPLECSC, I wanted to ban my

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Speaker 3: Democratic colleagues in tough districts from going home for the holidays.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to know you can't do that. You're going

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Speaker 3: to stay here. Yeah, because you go home, you know

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a brutal election in a tough district.

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Speaker 3: You're looking at your family, and that is the period

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Speaker 3: you how my phone rang after Christmas, like literally the

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Speaker 3: It's incredible, like the most brilliant messager I have seen

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, you're the expert.

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Speaker 2: Okay, tell me about the Einstein Conspiracy. I know you've

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm a book tour now. And so the book

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Speaker 2: So congrats on the success and enjoy that book tour.

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Speaker 1: I've been on a book tour. Stay hydrated.

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Speaker 3: It's exhausting, but I'll tell you what, the heck of

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Speaker 1: One one thousand percent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before I let you go, we do something called

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Speaker 3: Oh? Gosh, you know, I did a TC I did

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Speaker 3: At Cornell that I guess lecture. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: But I God, I have so many.

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Speaker 2: The American President, which is what I do in your class,

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Speaker 3: Oh? I have so many. Billy Long, a former kind

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Speaker 3: IRS in his second term. One of the funniest guys

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Speaker 3: I know, a bibliophile, huge fan of his, and also

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Speaker 3: Tom Cole, the Oklahoma chairman of the House Appropriations Committee,

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Speaker 3: also one of the smartest guys I've met, and a

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Speaker 3: voracious reader, an expert in history. I would say those

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Speaker 3: two come to mind immediately. Love it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Finally, how do we save our democracy, Steve, Well.

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Speaker 3: By doing what we're doing now, more conversations. We have

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Speaker 3: to elevate our discourse. We have to reduce our reliance

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Speaker 3: on algorithms and social media. We've got to learn how

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Speaker 3: to talk to one another again. And most important, stop

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Speaker 3: like reading posts on social media. But read books. And

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Speaker 3: I mean it, like yeah, full books kind of rejuvenate

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Speaker 3: our critical thinking skills and rewire our rings to understand

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Speaker 3: that some issues need three hundred pages to understand like

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Speaker 3: a quick post on social media.

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Speaker 1: Would you recommend the Stoics.

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Speaker 3: I oh, definitely read the Stoics. When you're finished reading

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Speaker 3: the Einstein Conspiracy, I definitely go to that's right, the Stoics.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Steve Israel, thanks so much and I'll see you

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait, and let's reconvene after the holidays and talk

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Speaker 3: about the number of retirements that we witness.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. Okay, it's a date. You'll come back,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Steve. Bye, Thanks to Steve. And that's it for

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