WEBVTT - Buen Vivir with Andrew 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.560 Hello, and welcome to it could happen here once again 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:10.360 hosted by myself and Drew. As you know, we talked 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.000 about whatever. We've entered a new year, so you know, 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:15.920 happy new year. By the way, James, I don't think 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.880 I told you. Oh yeah, happy new year. Yeah. The 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.759 what I've in question this time is carrying over from 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.360 some of the discussions we had in the previous year, 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.200 because you know, time moves forward. Uh, and with time 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.280 moving forward, how puts in? It becomes increasingly necessary, very 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.440 very necessary to interrogate into uproot a lot of the 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:44.360 classical capitalist ideas embedded in our world. An ideology, for example, 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:50.279 it just won't die, that idea of development, despite as 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:55.480 many critics over the past few decades, despite the colonizing 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.440 and post clear nations, people of those nations, you know, 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.600 rallying against such projects development due to the harms they've 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:08.520 caused socially, environments and otherwise, this ideology, this idea of development, 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:15.679 just won't die. Um. But here we are, and I 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.600 think at least here in this podcast, among the audience 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.200 of this podcast, we can agree that the time has 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.840 come for some kind of alternate. Maybe some kind of 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.880 alternative can happen here, you know, a different view, a 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:33.560 new path you all recurrently have and stage right when Vivie, 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.840 are you familiar with the concept, I'm not, Actually no 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.760 fun to learn about it, all right? Well fantastic, So 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.560 you could ask anything any questions you have about it 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.119 as I go along. So a lot of the early 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.960 concepts related to this idea of gen Vivie arose in 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.040 reaction to the classical economic development strategies that have ripped 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.200 through communities in their environments. I'm talking, of course about 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:03.680 acts of inclosure, prioritization, new life, new liberalization, economic imperialisms 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.520 and so forth. Capitalism and its element basically government projects 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.560 that lying the pockets of politicians and bureaucrats, development banks, 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.520 quote and quote that really never seem to fund the 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:20.440 people directly. When Revered draws from this heritage, a heritage 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:27.440 of indigenous communities, uh, particularly in South America. In some cultures, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:32.520 they have no concepts analogous to the modern western capitalist 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.640 concept of development. Of course, moderness and courts. There's no 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.720 concept of a linear life, a linear time, even with 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.080 a form and subsequent state. And so the idea of 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.480 underdevelopment and development of primitive and advance just does not 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:52.360 mesh with that ontology. And all these these concepts of 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.960 wealth and poverty, no are they are necessarily concepts of 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.239 wealth and poverty as we understand them based on the 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:03.880 accumulation lack of material good. I've said when Revere probably 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.520 a dozen times by now. The question is what is 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:11.200 when revere? In Latin America, the concept of ween vivere 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:18.520 or good life or good living provides new alternatives to development. Um. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.920 And it's very honest to you. I feel like I 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.040 feel like it's something that we should have been working 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.800 on for a really long time. UM. You know, like 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.679 me personally, I don't know what you James, but I 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:32.600 really care about GDP growth or increase in return on investment. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.040 You know, I care about living a good life. I 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.520 care about gen vivere. And so I think the name 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.360 of the philosophy, it's from the name of the concept 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:45.120 itself automatically gets you to ask the question what is 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.040 a good life? And the answer, the beauty of the 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.640 answer is that you decide that I decide, that we 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:57.200 decide that our communities decide that collaboratively. The good life 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:02.480 is not some sort of policy for poosal or government 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:08.160 project or development initiative for imposition. The good life is 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:12.880 a pluralistic concept. Is when nos confervas. It's a different 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:17.920 ways of living well together. It's not a single homogeneous 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:22.520 or unrealizable good life. It's not like this single homogeneous 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.919 pursuit of profit that our entire system is built around. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.760 Now now, the good life breen Vere, it's more about 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.200 people living well together in a community, in different communities, 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.760 living well together at individuals and communities, living well with nature. 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.280 And that these concepts sound familiar, it's because you know, 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.839 you must have heard it from other places. It's a 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.880 it's a trend we're starting to see around the world 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.080 in this twenty one century and even prior to then. Uh, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.719 these ideas are sully game one or esteem as time 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.440 goes on. Um, you know, the ideas present in social ecology, 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.200 the idea is present in various animals to ontologies, and 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.159 they're really being or to the forefront in this time 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:05.120 because we need them now more than ever. Despite efforts 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:11.400 of Western forces primarily to erase and to redact and 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.400 to confine these ideas and these concepts of the realm 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:21.880 of irrelevance or backwardsness or superstition they endure in sometimes 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.840 new forms, as with gen Vivere. What view is about 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.440 quality of life but also also the idea that quality 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:33.640 of life will well being as individuals. It's only possible 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.880 within a community. The community which as I mentioned includes 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.920 the floor and floor that surround us and in many 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.479 ways that can be interpreted, which is the real beauty 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.000 of it. So as a concept, you can look at 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.279 gen Vivie. It's a two word phrase and it's also 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.560 a double barrel of a concept, the two for one 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:58.720 package of both criticism of the classical western capitalist notion 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.640 of development and an alternative to that. You're a centric 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:08.400 tradition put onto indigenous traditions plural, and so that two 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.880 for one package within that, and you can really unpack 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.520 that package and see that you know, you see the 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.159 idea of the same sort of basis that the growth 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.440 is getting its critique from the same sort of ideas 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.240 being shared. And in terms of alternatives, when you look 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.760 into Interviewer, you sort of see the anarchic bent that 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:34.840 has become ever more present in new political imaginations over 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.800 the past few years. At least it feels that way 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:44.960 to me. That's um that sort of community oriented, autonomy oriented, 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:50.680 liberatory deculding oriented mindset is becoming more and more prevalent. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.960 Of course, I could be you know, my own Internet 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.880 biases and algorithms present to me what I want to see. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.400 But I would like to think that more and more 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.159 people exploring these ideas. Yeah, it is hard to say 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.480 his n because I feel the same way, Like, am 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.279 I am I seeing whatever? It's like, Oh, there's these 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.800 new institutes and initiatives and programs and movements. It's so 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.680 amazing all these things are developing. And then like you 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:19.119 talk to somebody who is not like in this fair 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:23.440 and they haven't heard of any of it. Yeah, you know, 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.600 it's like they don't think anarchism means, like, I don't know, 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.760 throwing a breakthrough a window like that is the whole ideology. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.480 And yeah, I don't know. We can hope, we can hope, 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.200 we can hope. I would like to think it's getting 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.960 more prominance, but we can only hope. And so like 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.320 so like anarkis are too keen on you know, necessarily 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.240 submitting to earn as some sense that's like Google vote 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.760 sens or some kind um. But I would like to 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:54.080 think that anarchic ideas. Um. I mean, and all the 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:59.560 exploration that I've done of um various parts of the world. However, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:04.360 you know, shallow my expliration has been so far. Um, 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.640 I just I see it could be my anarchist tinted 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:13.440 glasses seeing anarchic principles and everything. But I see it 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:18.720 in certain practices, in sign ideologies and sign ideas and 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:22.200 you know, ways of living. And I think gen vere 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.800 is a sort of a recognition of that in one sense, 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.000 as there is no single gen vivere right, there is 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.640 no single good life you know, I might want. For example, 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:41.080 my beIN view might look like sailing the Caribbean Sea, um, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.000 you know, touching down in various isylins and exploring the 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.080 ecology therein. Or my good life it look like a 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:51.560 more settled sort of homestead existence. Um. What sort of 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:56.920 a fusion of urban and rural living. Uh, sort of 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:02.040 a good ending for the suburbs, way able to live 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.840 in a walkable sort of environment and community that is 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.079 both not too far from you know, the goings on 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.480 of human social interaction, but also very much rooted and 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:19.360 connected with, um, what's happening in the natural world. But 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.000 I mean, what might yr good life your bend Revere 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:28.400 look like James. Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it. I think, Uh, 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.200 you know, I grew up in a countryside, so it's 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.280 light the idea of living in a rural area and 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:37.640 still having community and having like that, being lives to nature, 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.679 and still also being close to people who I care 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.760 about and being able to look after each other. I 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:48.360 think it's interesting how often, like at least the sort 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.480 of set like colonial concept of rural life or the 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.959 construct of rural life I guess in America is like, oh, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.679 rugged individualist, m being on your own one In fact, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:03.640 like living in the countryside, people have look after one another. Yeah, exactly, exactly. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.199 We maintain this kind of this this false idea that 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.839 it's you against see against the elements and crushing nature 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:16.240 and subjecting it to your will and all this stuff. Yeah, 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.800 And I think that's there's something interesting about. At least 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.160 people have spoken to um in various circles and stuff. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.040 I want to ask them, you know, what is your 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.439 ideal life? What is your good life? I don't necessarily 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.480 say when Revie, I just asked them, you know, what 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:32.640 do you want? Um? And you dig into it, you 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.200 asked him a couple of problem questions and people. Despite 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.160 ben Revere being a pluralistic concept, people tend to generally 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.160 want similar things, and so it sort of begs the question, like, 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.480 why we in this situation? Please please, you know, because 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.120 like everyone says, well, you know, I want like an 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.800 involved community, and I want like I want to be 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.960 able to like grow my plans, and I also want 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.960 to be able to do my arts and uh, you know, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.559 enjoy my time of people and do a bit of 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.160 travel and not work my whole life and that kind 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.560 of thing. People of course phrase it and frame it 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.800 in certain ways, and so that's why I asked the 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.200 proving questions. Because I might initially say, oh, well, like 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.840 I want to retire early. I want to really dig 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.440 into that means it's like I don't want to spend 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:22.160 my whole life working, you know. Or they might say 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.280 something like, um, you know, I want to I want 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.280 to travel a lot. So I want to like start 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.240 a business. When you ask them what kind of business 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.160 they want to start, why they want to start a business, 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.200 it really comes down to I want autonomy. I want 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.200 flexibility in my label. I want control of my own 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.160 labor kind of thing, like, yes, of course they are 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.679 people who have they couldn't qute entrepreneurial spirit who want 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.360 to just be at the top of the food chain. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.920 But then I think mostly entrepreneurs, they couldn't qut entrepreneurs 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.600 that I've met up in people who just like, oh, well, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.000 you know, I started selling candles because I really like 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.200 making candles and I wanted to share them with people, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.720 and ALUs need to make a living and I'm just 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.199 passionate about it or whatever that kind of thing is. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.360 Under necessarily wanted to cruw it or whatever. They just 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.640 want to be able to sustain themselves doing something that 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.080 they enjoy. Yeah, it's interesting because we're always sold like 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.920 every new advancing technology and in production that comes along, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.240 like these concepts you're talking about, like like working less, 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.120 having community, all these things always sold as what that's 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.000 going to do, right, But instead we end up working 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.120 more or the same amount and instead just generating more 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.520 income for a certain group of people, like we don't 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.960 get any other good things. But yeah, there's there's always 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.840 a carrot in whatever this kind of neoliberal capitalism that 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.560 we have is, but we never get there exactly. That's 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:58.640 the tragedy of it. Another aspect of you know, the 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.240 idea of the good life is that it's not a 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.480 static concept, right, It's not like we come up with 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.679 this good life that's when we here where we want 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.080 for ourselves. Now we etch it into stone tablets and 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.080 piously here to them forever like the Ten Commandments, like nah, 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.320 you know, the good life is supposed to be flexible 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.079 when reviewers wo responding to your conditions, the conditions of 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.880 the community or ecology, etcetera, and really redefine and what 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.959 it means to to live a good life continuously, you know, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:29.240 in response to change in circumstances, because you know, changes life. Um. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.199 Of course, not is this idea to gut life quote 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:37.200 unquote backward concept so problematic frame in and of itself, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.640 but um, sometimes you have to use problematic shortcuts to 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:47.920 community yates um effectively. But the idea of when reviewer 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.439 is not like an invitation to return to some idea 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.800 like past or ide like non past, you know, like 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.840 non existent world that people are sort of mentally constructed, 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.959 as in the case of a lot of the romanticization 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.880 you see on social media UM and video. Is not 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:08.400 like some kind of religion with its own rules and functions. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.760 But it's and it's not Also it's not imposing that 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.280 you must become a home insteader or a forager, you 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.600 must live in a rural community to live a good life. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.960 There's more possibilities yet unrealized. UM. And it should be 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.920 something that is, it should be considered something that is 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:30.440 undergoing a constant construction and reproduction process. And that's I 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.080 think way of the global potential that when videalize UM. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.280 You know, that's why I think there's viral potential for it. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.920 I mean, of course, when you look at a lot 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:45.280 of things that end up dominating the social media news cycle, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:50.040 it's a lot of negativity UM dominating current discourse right now, 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:56.560 I think is the topic of masculinity and UM, particularly 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:05.960 the prevalence of ah Andrew teats and you know, UM, 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:10.280 you also have the constantly bubbling under the surface existence 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:15.000 of in cells UM and so and then you go 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.960 on TikTok. I don't know if you go on TikTok, James, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.800 I don't know. That's the point I was good for 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:27.720 It's just like anymore, Yeah, I should have made that decision, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.800 But I mean I kind of like TikTok because Um, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.040 I don't know how other people are curiates in their 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.560 their fo you pages, but by four you pages UM 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.840 a place I enjoy being out a bit too much, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.400 which is why I have like limits on my phone 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.600 to prevent me from staying on TikTok for too long. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.080 But yeah, it's a place that I enjoy. And you 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.040 see a lot of trends come and go on TikTok 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.760 right now. The big thing is like Niche stock and 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.680 core core um, which I know is is probably Greek 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:02.400 to you, yes, um, but in that general ve and 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.840 if you were to see what those trends who, I 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.760 think you get a sense when I'm talking about Niche 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.480 Shock and Coco and then as well, so it seems 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.840 to be an attempt to um rebrand the idea of 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:19.360 Sigma um and the Sigma meal. It started off as 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.640 a very you know, patriarchical thing. And then I've seen 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.760 a couple of different creators who who didn't a sort 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:30.920 of an ironic or a post ironic sense um as 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.200 a sort of a meme because it became a meme 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.360 to make fun of people who take it seriously. Um. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.200 And then from that that sort of mumification of it, 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.200 people said, reclaimed the tomb um. And then it became 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.040 a sort of you see, um, you see like a 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:52.160 video where a guy um does something polite or something, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.440 you know, shiver us something kind and then the comments 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.840 are like, um, typical sigma to you, true sigma, this 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:03.400 is what true signal looks. Kind of Um. So I 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.800 think it's just a national aspect. They fluid it to 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.639 you the internet, the fickleness of the Internet, because I'm 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.000 sure they're still they have mi misogynistic Sigma people, they 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:15.960 still exist. But then there's also people who memes themselves 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.639 into a brand of Sigma. That's a kind of a 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:27.040 way pseudo positive masculinity. It's kind of interesting. Um. I'll 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.639 continue to do my TikTok anthropological research and and you know, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:35.840 discuss my findings as this situation develops. But in that 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:41.240 same vein of in that vein of communification, and those 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.480 are developments, I think there is a potential of wen 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.560 Vivere to become a global phenomenon, to have that Google potential, 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.880 to have a global reach because and then there's something 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.520 in it for the people. The there's also an anti 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.840 work current present in a lot of TikTok trends, so 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.879 you know, it's it's something too and I can again 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.680 I see there's an anti current in the TikTok trends, 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.000 but those are the TikTok trends. I ain't being presented 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:11.680 with the post ironic rebrandification or whatever. Sigma is something 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.440 my for you p has given me. It's not necessarily 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.840 reflective of the entirety of reality. And that's the scary 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.639 part of the Internet, right, Like you're not seeing the 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:24.520 full reality, you're seeing algorithmically produced version and skewed version 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.399 of reality. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting to me how like 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.200 like most people I encounter on a daily basis will 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.720 not know what will where me and marras and like 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.560 if I look at my Twitter page right now, it's 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.159 just all like half of it. It's in Burmese, you know, 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.880 and there's lots of people I follow and that that's 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.000 like my reality. But yeah, sort of then I get 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.880 really frustrated when when people don't have a clue what's 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:53.520 going on there exactly exactly, it's it's it's it's kind 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:57.760 of tricky. It's kind of tricky because you really in 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.280 terms that need really get a sense of how you know, 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.680 in moments like those where you confront that in real life, 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.360 it's like okay, so like my my possession of reality 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:12.240 is like slightly skewed by the Internet, you know, yeah, 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.920 in ways that I am aware and not aware of, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.159 in ways that other people are aware not aware of. 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.840 So that's interesting. But back to when review, right when 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.680 we here, I think is also like a path for decolonization, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.080 you know, sort of a way to let go of 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.199 a lot of the Western norms and impositions and speech 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.600 and dress and labor and lifestyle and knowledge and social 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.640 norms and relationships and ceteral and adopting ways of life 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.400 that account for our cultures and conditions free of those 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:42.320 mental by I think that it's the power of when review. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.320 So I guess another question arises, who or where or 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.880 when did when review come from? And so the radical 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.640 questioning that birthed when Revere was made possible within several 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:59.080 indigenous traditions in South America, which, as I said, culturally 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.359 lacked can can steps of developmental progress. And so the 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.480 contribution of indigenous knowledge brend Revere continues to be the 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:10.040 sort of critical threat associated values and experiences and practices 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:15.119 and worldviews of interview already existed in some form before 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:20.560 the arrival of Um European conquistadors, but they were of 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:25.840 the process of qualization, silenced and marginalized, and even openly opposed. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:31.440 Rendverea is part of a long legacy, long quest along 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:38.240 pursuits of alternative lifestyles forged from the passionate battles of 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:43.800 indigenous peoples and nations seeking new ways of life, seeking 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.720 freedom from the Latin America and the quintessential Latin American 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.359 oli called nation state. Brutish is of course rooted and 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:57.680 clunealism and neo liberalism. And so we are seeing through 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:01.240 bend Revere within Renverea side of and review. Adjacent to 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:07.960 review um utopias in the making, the imagination, the imagining 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.480 of utopias of the Andes and of the Amazon that 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:15.679 are shaping discourse, are shaping political projects that are shaping 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.639 social and cultural and economic practice. The good life in 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:21.959 review is not something that is unique to Latin America. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.159 Of course, it has been practiced many different epochs and 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.960 regions of this Earth. It's been known by many different names. 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:33.399 The concept has been known by many different names in Ecuador, 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:37.800 it's known as suma um, which is a Quechua wording 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.080 for a fullness of life and community together with the 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.919 persons in nature and believia the Aymara concept for it 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:49.080 is called suma kamana in the Mapuche in Chile, and 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.919 the Guarani in Paraguay, and the Coda and Panama, the 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:56.439 Shua Naqua and Ecuadorian Amazon, the Maya and Guatemala and 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:01.960 Chiapas Mexico, and of course the African too Ubuntu and 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:06.040 the Indian concept of sage. There are all these sorts 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:09.840 of threads of what a good life for life and community, 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:14.200 radical ecological democracy and community. All of these sort of 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:19.960 concepts sort of threaded within developing dif front in different 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:26.440 forms in different contexts. However, UM the concept has also 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:30.040 been adopted in some sense by certain states, most notably 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:36.920 Bolivia and Ecuador. Recently, Bolivia, you know, rewrote its constitution 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:45.480 um establishing itself as a blury national state, and they've 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:49.520 taken it to what they quality vivid bien um. They're 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:56.440 trying to basically propose economic model that accommodates various diverse 0:22:56.640 --> 0:23:01.600 cultural origins. In Ecuador, UM the conceptual freework is a 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.200 be different. They take when vere and they use it 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.439 as a sort of described as a set of rights, 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.720 rights to shelter, to health, to education, to foods, the environment. 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.960 So it's less of an ethical principle, more of a 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:20.120 complex set of rights that are also found in Western 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:26.040 traditions but also include, uh you know, the the right 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:32.280 to freedom, participation, communities, to protection, and to nature. Part 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:34.199 of that recognition of the right to nature and the 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.320 fundamental rights of water has led to the banning of 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:41.679 any form of privatization of water um, and also the 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:47.879 promotion of leaving crude oil in Ecuadorian Amazon blew the 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.920 ground um. However, I feel like I need to point 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.840 out that I don't believe the state is compatible with 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.800 the essence of when vie, with the practice of when 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.119 year um. And so the use of those concepts and 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:10.600 state propaganda uh in state rebranding efforts unnecessarily encouraging to me, 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.040 doesn't necessarily make such dates the power gon. So they 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.560 would paint themselves to be because to me, when video 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:21.040 can only really be grassroots concepts. So I think we 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.480 must be careful of fall into that trap of accepting 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:31.639 uh you know, state propaganda on the good life um, 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.080 you know, compromising the concept and allowing it to be 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:49.879 co opted or watered down. As I previously noted, I 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:54.280 think there's a major overlap between concept of de growth 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.840 in the idea of when Revere I both agree that 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.399 one of the fundmental problems is, you know, this idea, 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:04.480 this constant commercialization of societal fabric kind of nature of 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:09.240 criticism of capitalism, this criticism of the way that progress 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:13.879 felt an economic growth understood and implemented um. And so 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.440 they almost they sort of complement each other, right because 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:18.960 I think of criticism people have of the growth, is 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.520 it as this destructive thing, as it's negative thing, as 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.320 negative freemen. And so in a sense, when Vere and 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:28.120 the growth can sort of be coupled, the growth as 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:33.240 the couldn't quote missile wood destructive. Well, when Vivie is 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:37.400 you know, presenting a constructive alternative, as you know, we 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:41.879 attempt to progress, to move away from capitalism, transitions and 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:45.480 new systems. There's a lot to learn with have a 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.320 lot we can learn from various non capitalist practices around 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:52.359 the world. And I think gen vivere Um is a 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.440