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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to it could happen here once again

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Speaker 1: hosted by myself and Drew. As you know, we talked

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Speaker 1: about whatever. We've entered a new year, so you know,

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Speaker 1: happy new year. By the way, James, I don't think

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Speaker 1: I told you. Oh yeah, happy new year. Yeah. The

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Speaker 1: what I've in question this time is carrying over from

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Speaker 1: some of the discussions we had in the previous year,

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Speaker 1: because you know, time moves forward. Uh, and with time

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Speaker 1: moving forward, how puts in? It becomes increasingly necessary, very

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Speaker 1: very necessary to interrogate into uproot a lot of the

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Speaker 1: classical capitalist ideas embedded in our world. An ideology, for example,

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Speaker 1: it just won't die, that idea of development, despite as

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Speaker 1: many critics over the past few decades, despite the colonizing

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Speaker 1: and post clear nations, people of those nations, you know,

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Speaker 1: rallying against such projects development due to the harms they've

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Speaker 1: caused socially, environments and otherwise, this ideology, this idea of development,

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Speaker 1: just won't die. Um. But here we are, and I

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Speaker 1: think at least here in this podcast, among the audience

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Speaker 1: of this podcast, we can agree that the time has

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Speaker 1: come for some kind of alternate. Maybe some kind of

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Speaker 1: alternative can happen here, you know, a different view, a

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Speaker 1: new path you all recurrently have and stage right when Vivie,

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Speaker 1: are you familiar with the concept, I'm not, Actually no

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Speaker 1: fun to learn about it, all right? Well fantastic, So

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Speaker 1: you could ask anything any questions you have about it

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Speaker 1: as I go along. So a lot of the early

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Speaker 1: concepts related to this idea of gen Vivie arose in

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Speaker 1: reaction to the classical economic development strategies that have ripped

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Speaker 1: through communities in their environments. I'm talking, of course about

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Speaker 1: acts of inclosure, prioritization, new life, new liberalization, economic imperialisms

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Speaker 1: and so forth. Capitalism and its element basically government projects

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Speaker 1: that lying the pockets of politicians and bureaucrats, development banks,

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Speaker 1: quote and quote that really never seem to fund the

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Speaker 1: people directly. When Revered draws from this heritage, a heritage

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Speaker 1: of indigenous communities, uh, particularly in South America. In some cultures,

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Speaker 1: they have no concepts analogous to the modern western capitalist

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Speaker 1: concept of development. Of course, moderness and courts. There's no

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Speaker 1: concept of a linear life, a linear time, even with

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Speaker 1: a form and subsequent state. And so the idea of

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Speaker 1: underdevelopment and development of primitive and advance just does not

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Speaker 1: mesh with that ontology. And all these these concepts of

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Speaker 1: accumulation lack of material good. I've said when Revere probably

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Speaker 1: a dozen times by now. The question is what is

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Speaker 1: when revere? In Latin America, the concept of ween vivere

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Speaker 1: or good life or good living provides new alternatives to development. Um.

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Speaker 1: And it's very honest to you. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's something that we should have been working

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Speaker 1: me personally, I don't know what you James, but I

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Speaker 1: really care about GDP growth or increase in return on investment.

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Speaker 1: You know, I care about living a good life. I

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Speaker 1: care about gen vivere. And so I think the name

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Speaker 1: a good life? And the answer, the beauty of the

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Speaker 1: answer is that you decide that I decide, that we

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Speaker 1: decide that our communities decide that collaboratively. The good life

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Speaker 1: is not some sort of policy for poosal or government

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Speaker 1: project or development initiative for imposition. The good life is

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Speaker 1: a pluralistic concept. Is when nos confervas. It's a different

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Speaker 1: ways of living well together. It's not a single homogeneous

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Speaker 1: or unrealizable good life. It's not like this single homogeneous

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Speaker 1: Now now, the good life breen Vere, it's more about

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Speaker 1: And that these concepts sound familiar, it's because you know,

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Speaker 1: idea of the same sort of basis that the growth

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Speaker 1: being shared. And in terms of alternatives, when you look

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Speaker 1: into Interviewer, you sort of see the anarchic bent that

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Speaker 1: Of course, I could be you know, my own Internet

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Speaker 1: But I would like to think that more and more

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Speaker 1: people exploring these ideas. Yeah, it is hard to say

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Speaker 1: I am I seeing whatever? It's like, Oh, there's these

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Speaker 1: more settled sort of homestead existence. Um. What sort of

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Speaker 1: the tragedy of it. Another aspect of you know, the

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Speaker 1: It seeks a good life. It seeks to oppose cleanism

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Speaker 1: And so gwen Vivere provides an opportunity to move away

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Speaker 1: been Andrew at It could Happen Here, with James signing off.

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