WEBVTT - Super Bowl XVIII with Howie Long | Redskins vs. Raiders 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:03.240 What was that movie with Ben A. F flackwork and 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.560 Morgan Freeman Some of all fears, Some of all fears 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:09.760 he had. There was that kind of fascination with their 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:14.680 nuclear building. I was always fascinated by the Patriots, and 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.799 it was kind of like the nuclear building. You didn't 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.520 get in there. You know, there are very few people 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:27.240 that were in there that survived as a broadcaster seeing it. Finally, 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:31.360 it was like Morgan Freeman getting in the nuclear facility 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.239 with Ben A. F. Flack and then walking out of 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:35.880 it and thinking, am I gonna get shot here? 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.200 Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, They're Jack 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.280 and Kyler, and we're on a mission to find the 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.040 greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:51.000 are covering Super Bowl eighteen Washington Redskins versus the Los 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:56.360 Angeles er Er Raiders with Pro Football Hall of Famer 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:02.720 arguably the most legendary Raider alive, Howie Long. Yes, we 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.399 get into his best Al Davis story. Howard do you 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.959 call me? How do you think it tough? I'm like, 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.800 this kind of game took my answer. What it's like 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.040 to raise two NFL sons credible and have another son 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:15.120 working in the NFL. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.360 People don't realize how hard it is as a dad 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:20.000 to watch those games. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.480 They're going against each other. Kyle punches Chris and the 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.399 ribs and fractures you bro and his incredible twenty eight 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.720 to three story. I feel like the worst dad in 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.560 the world. And then we wrap it up by bringing 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.880 in a new segment. What's this new segment, Jack, Oh, 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:36.640 A little something. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.000 I might put you in my hotzea brother, my Pepper, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.640 You with some questions, My Pepper, you with some questions. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.479 So you got to stick around to the very end. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.960 Let's go. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:56.000 January twenty second, nineteen eighty four, Tampa Stadium in Tampa, Florida. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.320 Super Bowl eighteen. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.560 Dog versus the Silver and Black for all the marbles, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:10.720 and it was allors. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:17.239 This is just one baby. I like it. I like it. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.480 Welcome to Games with Names. On today's episode, we have 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.720 a very special guest. Folks. We're gonna be talking about 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.720 Super Bowl eighteen Raiders, those legendary Raiders versus those legendary 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:39.200 Redskins defending Super Bowl champion Redskins in this game with 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:43.880 the legend himself coworker, father figure of my network. I 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.520 feel Howie Long, welcome to the studio. I gat to 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.040 be here. I appreciate you coming. 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.240 You've got a great place here for people who are 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.360 watching and wondering what it's like around here. This place 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.560 is you're tucked away up in the end of a 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.480 cul de sac. It's like you're in witness protection. What 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.680 did you do? I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything, 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:01.520 But did you? 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.639 So? I remember? Actually, let's segue to this. One of 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.600 the first times I started working with Howie, he was 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.040 explaining how he takes a look at all entry ways. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.360 You were explaining that you're like very survival when you 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.680 sit somewhere, like, did you look at all my exit 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.280 plans of this this culta sac area? Is this safe? 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.160 We're kind of you know, we're dug in here, so 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.239 I mean, if we have to fight our way out, 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.560 you know, I'm sure you have a reserve here that 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:28.560 we can tap into. 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.560 Well, got how he will be safe? Right now? Oh? 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:31.160 You always do? 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.639 You sit in the room and you know it's yeah. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.560 The guy with the check shirt, he looks like he 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.880 can handle himself. He's maybe two ten, you know, he 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.520 looks like he's still in shape. Maybe he can do 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:42.320 some things. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:42.880 You know. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.240 It's like I always say, I remember I I I 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:50.480 was over in Italy with my wife Diane, and what's 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.920 what's the rapper's name, Kanye Kanye. Kanye comes in and 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.880 he's got a bodyguard that's like maybe six feet fuck nine. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.200 And I said, that guy, really that scares you because 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.040 if he's six feet in a buck ninety, he knows 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:08.440 something really good. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:09.880 He's a UFC fighter. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.160 He can he he can do something. And my wife's 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.279 pulling up the camera. I said, look, put the camera down, 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.440 you know, I said, because at first I got to 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.480 knock out the bodyguard and then deal with him. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.640 It's crazy now that back in the day when you 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.440 guys probably went out, you go to the bar, you 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.520 see a buck ninety guy, You're like, oh, this guy 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.159 is good. Nowadays everybody everyone's a UFC fighter. You're getting 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.440 a chokehold. It's crazy or. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.400 We've gotten into the you know what's even scarier. What 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.000 just happened in New York? And uh, you know, it's 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.920 a crazy world we're living in. Particularly out here. You're 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.520 on the four or five, there's a million people and 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.039 you know, you don't know what everyone else is going through, 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.760 you know, and you beep your horn. You know, you 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.200 just be a little more patient in traffic. That's what 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.560 I would tell my kids. Yeah, just be a little 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.600 more patient. You never know, you never know. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.880 So in one sentence, why did you pick Super Bowl? 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:04.520 This game? Super Bowl eighteen? 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.520 I you know, I think in many ways it mirrored 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:16.200 kind of the uh I go back to that undefeated 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.800 Patriots team with the Giants. It was kind of like that. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:24.200 We were I think nine or ten point underdogs. We 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.799 had lost to them earlier in the year up in Washington. 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.560 I think Marcus missed and Cliff Branch pulled a hamstring. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.960 I'm giving you these names, like you know, out of 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.960 the archives here, you know, Cliff Branch Hall of Famer, 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.920 God rest is so Hall of Famer and great great 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.080 guy slept on my sofa my second year because I 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.279 lived with a guy named Cedric Hartman, who was a 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.000 great pass rusher from the forty nine Ers and the 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.320 Raiders who famously brought in guys, you know, old veteran 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.359 guys that were you know, others would view as being washed, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.719 and you know, they'd end up contributing to you know, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:02.800 great games and championships. And I would say, you know, 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.840 having lost to them up there in Washington, I forget 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.560 the score, thirty five thirty four something like that. I 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.560 had five sacks and we lost, you know, I mean 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.320 it was one of those games where what ended up 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.200 being the difference in the game ironically ended up being 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.120 the kind of nail in the coffin for them. Later 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.440 on in the Super Bowl, where it was second Long 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.360 backed up, it might have been third Long. 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:26.240 Uh. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:31.960 And Joe Washington, who was great, great player, Uh, he 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.040 was their change up. Guy Riggins was a hammer. When 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.440 I say hammer, I mean you hit John, You hit John. 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.920 It was like the cartoon thing, and second Long backed up, 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.719 and I think the thought process was we had a 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.360 big backer, Matt Mellon, who was too sixty two fifty. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.839 Five, a lot like your guys. 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.880 You know, your Bill tended to lean towards big tower, 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.320 big big backers. But you know they Matt would tell 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.960 you I'm not high tower, you know, to put it 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.240 in perspective. I remember one time we were playing San 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.240 Francisco and they were in split backs, you know, full 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.560 back on the tight end side, halfback on the weak 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.560 side and pre snap they flipped them. Matt knew exactly 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.680 what was happening because he's the strong side inside backer. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:18.520 Before the ball was. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.080 Snapped, Matt started to run into coverage out in the 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:26.200 flat before the ball was snapped because he knew the 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:27.880 halfback was going to be matched up on him, and 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.920 that's exactly what they did. And he still couldn't get there, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.800 but you know, it was it was one of those 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:38.680 physical you know, we watched them on film that year 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.480 and it was a lot like watching i think the Patriots, 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.920 but in a different sense. It was all counters. It 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.520 was all you know, you're taking your shots off the 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.720 counterplay action with a bootleg and Joe thisman and the 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:58.120 Hogs and the offensive line and we were a good 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.640 you know, styles make fire. It's you know, you always 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:06.480 hear that term in boxing, and you know physicality. You 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.240 know you have to match that with physicality. It's a 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.480 lot like playing Detroit now, where you know Detroit's real physical. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.400 You know they're going forward a lot and fourth down, 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.960 he believes that offensive line it's built from, you know, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.360 their front back and the two backs, power back and 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.920 the scat back and when you looked at them on 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.400 film leading up to the game, I'm like, they're scoring 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.160 thirty five, thirty seven. They set a scoring record that 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:38.240 lasted until the Randy Moss Chris Carter Minnesota Vikings. Yeah 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:39.319 what was the points? 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:40.760 It's thirty four per game. 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.400 Yeah, but the total total points? 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:44.640 Oh, let me double check, right. 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.960 Yeah, they they set a record that was wasn't matched 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.880 until that point. And you're looking at my film like 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:56.160 nobody's stopping them. People you have to be you know, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.040 and I always say it's like Jimmy Johnson and the 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.679 Cowboys when they ran Lee Joe Garol Moose Johnson. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:03.080 Is the full back. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.880 He'd shuffle off it whether it's dear eye or far 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.320 eye where that fullbacks offset or Moose would shuffle over 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.600 and Moose was just a battering ram. You get a 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.120 double team at the point of attack, and it's not 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:19.680 the first ten times you play that, it's the eleventh, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:24.400 the twelfth, the first team who's gonna blink? And you 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.320 have to get in the right mindset Versus a team 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.079 like Washington because they were so good up front physically, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.079 you know, Joe Jacobi was you know, he'd block out 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.760 the sun, you know, I mean Russ Graham, great player, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.480 and Stark and you know May and you know, they 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.160 had a really good players and it was very good. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.360 And their tight ends were very and this is key, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.720 you know, you playing with Gronk is is a good example. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.000 They weren't Gronk, but you know, they were big tight 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.439 ends and they were committed to playing. And it was 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.720 counter sixty six, counter sixty seven, fake counter sixty seven 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.280 with the boot leg out to the left, you know, 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.320 so you had to be committed to it. And I 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.720 think they got off the plane coming down there and 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:11.480 cam O gear. It was like, okay, it's kind of 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.520 like when Houston. We played Houston in the playoffs. They 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:20.880 all came in letterman jackets. Remember that letterman jacketson the whole. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.680 They had a Houston letterman jacket that they made in 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.600 the divisional round to play the page because about that, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.200 and then they took him home. They watched the game 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:34.000 the next week. But it was a big you know, 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.679 it's a big deal coming off the plane cargo or 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:38.240 army unis. 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.800 And the thing is that year I'm twenty three years old, 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:46.280 you know, I'm thinking, you know, Lester Hayes, Mike Kynes, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.600 Ted Hendrix, Reggie Kinlaw, Bill mcel Greg Townsend, you know, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:57.000 Mike Davis, Van McElroy, you know, Matt Millen. Rob Martin 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:02.520 was one of the truly big game playing linebackers. He 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.520 was you know, when he put his hands on you. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:07.880 You felt it. He was heavy handed. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.960 People don't realize what heavy handed is. No, not everybody's 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:11.520 heavy handed. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.400 Martin was a guy that I felt heavy hands on. 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.600 And I tell the story all the time. Cam Chancellor, Yeah, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.360 remember that safety Oh godsha. He was like rooted. When 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.720 you go in and have to block that force and 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.200 you just feel, you know what heavy. It feels like 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.720 they're rooted into the ground and they can use the 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.319 force their hand to like just move you. My Kyle 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.760 has that were so it got. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.400 To a point where, you know, I had to say 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:42.560 to Kyle, look, stop stop poking me. You know, I mean, he, 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.360 you know, just popped me one time. I thought, you know, 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.800 I'm in the driveway up in Montana. And this was 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.360 years ago, and he was maybe three years in the 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.520 league with the Bears, and you know he's you know, 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.160 up in Montana. You're struggling to find a three technique 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.400 to kind of you know, give him a simulation. So 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:05.120 I said, you know what, I'm stum maybe fifty seven 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.280 fifty eight. You know I can. I'm still running a bit. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.480 And you know, if you guys put pads on. No no, no, 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.600 no no. This was just kind of a mirror Joe, 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.920 you know, as if you were doing working on releases 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.719 versus A corner was in press coverage and he hit 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.560 me in the ribs so fucking hard, and I'm telling you, 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.559 I bitched up so bad, and I just said, don't 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:34.080 ever fucking touch me again. I mean, because Kyle's three 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.240 point thirty and you know, his hands are like that 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.640 and his forms are like that, and. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:41.840 Played pro baseball, got drafted. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.760 He got drafted by the White Sox, went down to 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:44.559 Florida State. 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.480 So Kyle and I, for you guys out there, Kyle 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.720 and I became close when he was coming out for 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:56.079 the draft. He was training for his draft at Exos 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:00.240 here in LA, and I couldn't believe he was a 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.760 fucking picture. First off, he's like six six, three hundred 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.920 pounds at the time, and I think he was like 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:09.920 maybe three thirty three twenty. But the thing that impressed 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.000 me the most with them was when we would do 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:16.760 our ladder drill. He had amazing quick fucking feet for 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.040 a guy that was three thirty six six, I mean 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.400 he was He was a cool dude. And I mean, 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.320 if you think of the kids that Howie Long would 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.920 have if you pictured that, that's what he had. Like 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.120 with what you made, you think, like you have a 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.160 Kyle who's a fucking just thumper, and then you have 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.880 Chris who's kind of a little smaller but like rat 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.000 athletic crazy, Like he reminded me of you. You guys 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.480 look alike on the field when I watch all your film, Yeah, 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:49.200 like your bottom end from the pants. I was like, man, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.000 you guys walk the same. It's it's fucking crazy. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.040 Yeah, genetically, and you see it with other players that 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.520 you know, yeah, are sons of and you know you 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.960 see it. It's just and you know we didn't push football. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.040 So but that getting back to the eighteen you know 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.840 game down there in Tampa Bay at twenty three, I'm thinking, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.959 you know what's so hard about this is easy? I 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:17.280 mean you won multiple times. I mean it's with this group. 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:21.960 You know Plunkt, Marcus Allen, you know Henry Lawrence. You know, 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:27.840 it's we're pretty good Todd Christensen wide receivers and you know, 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.720 Cliff Branch and the whole thing. And it just goes 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.000 to show you just you just don't know and so 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.640 much you know, from the top down to the bottom. 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.440 You know the changes, and you know it's whether it's 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.520 coaching or you know, it's it's subtle changes with scheme. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.000 Somebody else comes in and you know, you know, three 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:48.720 days in the guy in the front of the room 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.240 doesn't know what the hell he's doing, you know, And 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:56.240 it's when you when you've had great coaching early on, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.640 and Earl Leggott was ear legg It brought me up. 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.280 He brought Michael Strahan up. We brought both of us up. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.840 So Michael Strahan and I look at the game very similar, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:11.520 we really do. And you know, approach, mindset, preparation. You know, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:16.040 we do forty five updowns in individual period. Everyone on 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.640 the other units would watch us, and then we had 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.760 to run. We run the small field to the side 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:24.840 and we had to run to inside. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:25.200 Run. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.040 You know, I tell Greg Townshend, I said, look it's inside. Run, 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.320 it's going inside. It's going inside. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:33.280 You know. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.680 Inside. Let's get tough. This eperiod. Now, is this the 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:39.760 greatest game of all time? 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:45.040 You know, your game, your game in the Super Bowl 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:51.520 when Chris played for the Patriots, it was so improbable 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:53.440 in so many ways. 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.640 Same halftime scores, yours another way improbable. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:01.800 And you know the irony of that is that you know, 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:07.040 Chris played, and you know and listen Saint Louis Rams. 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:09.920 You know, they had to run with, you know, the 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.360 greatest show on turf, and it was great. Then when 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.480 the team is bad and they're winning three games, three games, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.560 I mean, you could have thirteen fourteen sacks and be 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.040 you're essentially in the witness protection program. Yeah, because it's 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:24.760 you know, it's like a I say, it's a dimli 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.240 of the mall because the stadium was not the greatest stadium, 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.200 and it had that kind of you know, some indoor 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.200 stadiums are kind of cheap. 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.560 Eid felt cheap, like cheap light cheap. Yeah, it was. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.560 It was just poorly lit and I never played there. Yeah, 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.720 it was emblematic of you know, if if a tree 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.840 falls in the woods and there's nobody there to hear, 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.560 it doesn't make a sound. Then when you get fourteen 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.560 sacks there, So Chris was kind of wasting away. He 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.720 was making good money and signed a second deal. And 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.480 don't forget you know, I mean Jared Goff started out 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.680 you know there and then transitioned to McVeigh and had 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.120 the run in the super Bowl and then falls out 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.880 of grace there and goes to Detroit and now he's 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.840 back again. The trajectory of his career is amazing. But 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.200 when he became a you know, he gets released there 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:21.320 he had pops a ten in his ankle and uh 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:26.160 played uh shorter than he should have played. He should 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.800 have should have waited six seven weeks instead, you know, 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:31.520 four or five weeks. And he I could see he 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.240 was limping when we would do drills. He sent me 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.960 film of him getting off on the ball and I 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:42.879 knew it wasn't right. But you know, do I say 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:44.960 that to him? And I and I didn't, and he 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:46.760 came back and played her. 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.000 You didn't say it to him because you thought it 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:49.960 would hurt his confidence. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.400 It's a weird position to be in. I know, visually 0:17:54.600 --> 0:18:00.280 that's not him, uh, but you know he was. Chris. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.280 Chris is that guy you have to kill like you, 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.720 you know, probably more mindset like you. Probably guy you 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.920 have to kill if you're gonna go, you got to 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.639 kill him. And what ends up happening is he gets 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.679 you know, he gets released. So he's a free agent, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.360 and you know, there were certain teams that he looked at. 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:25.919 He looked at Dallas, New England, Atlanta. I think there 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.239 were a couple other teams, and I think he took 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.760 a trip down to Atlanta and really liked the head coach. 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.360 When I mean that's he's a good coach. They were, 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:36.280 they were rolling that year. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.800 Really really liked him and like what they were doing. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.480 And you know, then he's driving a Richmond airport to 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.800 get on a flight down to Dallas and who calls Bill. 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.639 There's a sound thing that happened. You know, it's his 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.240 trumpets from heaven when Bill calls, and you know, Bill 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.400 gets on the phone and you know that voice, and 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.520 you know, my point to him was, at this point, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.359 you've made all this money, you know, why are you playing? 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.320 And you know he talks about championships and you know, 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.600 I said to me, it's like, you know, how many 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.640 how many division, how many conference championship games have they've 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.960 been in? How many Super Bowls they've been in? Look 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.919 at the roster, look at the quarterback, look at the 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.359 head coach. Now when you go there, as you know, 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.120 particularly on defense, it's tough. It's tough because a lot 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.560 of times you're playing out of position. The scheme doesn't 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.240 necessarily fit unless he's the left side outside linebackers that 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.800 what he is. He rarely got the opportunity to do that, 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.439 and I think that was frustrating. Yeah, but you know 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.199 he made the most of his opportunities. And you know, 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.680 I kind of I didn't push him there, but I certainly, 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.280 you know, understood the value of if you want to 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.359 win a championship, this place maybe gives you the best chance. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.720 So here I am. I can't help you with your 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:58.320 biology homework. I can't help you with your trigonometry, but 0:19:58.600 --> 0:19:59.080 I think I. 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.320 Can help you with footb You can help with flip. 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.560 I mean, I coached eight years in high school and 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.080 you know, did all that and wanted them to have 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.879 the foundation of football. And here is the biggest decision 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.320 he has to make, because you don't make the decision 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.360 on where you go in the draft. And he goes 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.240 to Saint Louis at the second pick, and you know 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:22.000 his fade is sealed. So my thing was and we're 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:27.320 covering the game, which and I was fine during the week. 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.639 When we walked in the stadium on game day, it 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.280 kind of hit me. And I've never had that feeling, 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.240 you know, even as a player. You know, you kind 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.000 of knew the moment before. The moment of impact as 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.680 a player, to me was always the worst. I wanted 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:45.160 to get hit. 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:52.120 Yeah, clear, it focuses you up, and you know you're nervous. 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.640 You get hit, you're in a fight, and let's go. 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.440 That's I always like to get a hit. That's why 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.680 in my first play always, if it was a run play, 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:01.240 I was going on to thump that safety. 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:06.960 Yeah, and first play was so important, particularly in a 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.399 three man front when you're playing in the two gap scheme, 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:11.840 and I mean a true two gap scheme. You know 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:16.960 you're sit, squat and catching. It's a linebacker defense. And yeah, 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.960 the irony was our defensive line was, you know, the 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:21.840 strength of the team. 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.480 But we played. We had to get the third down 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.280 to get in that. So here we are. 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.480 I walk into the stadium and it's the Super Bowl. 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.919 Fox is covering. He got the pregame. It's four or 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.920 five hours long. You know, we've got our own as 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.360 you know now as a as a broadcaster, there's there's 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:41.240 a lot going on, a lot going on, a lot 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.919 going on. There's thirty two sections, and you know, what 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.720 are we talking? What's the order? You know, who's talking about? 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:46.800 What? 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:47.280 You know? 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.639 Et cetera. Because you don't want to be redundant and 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:50.320 you want to be on. 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.840 Top of it. But this hits me. And you know, 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.000 I think it's Usher, who is there during the day. 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:03.880 He kind of had had his kind of all all 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.040 access pass into our green room and everything else. He's 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.000 a huge Atlanta fan and you know, which is great. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.800 And he's a really nice guy. And I want to 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.480 say that upfront, he's a really nice guy. But here 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:22.240 we are, it's twenty eight to three in the third quarter, 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.240 and I'm standing next to Terry and I get kind 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:28.080 of quiet. When I get quiet, it's never good. And 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:32.760 I'm quiet, and and Terry knows I'm you know, I 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:36.520 feel like the worst dad in the world. I push 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.800 this kid. Now, he makes his own decisions. He's a 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.760 grown man. He makes his own decisions. But I certainly 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:45.719 played a part in you know, him going to New 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.680 England over Atlanta and it's over Atlanta and it's twenty 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.679 eight to three, and I'm the worst dad in the world. 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:55.840 That's how I felt. And Terry says to me, like, 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:59.120 you know, kind of like Forrest Gumpy just said, don't worry, 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.119 little buddy. Tom's gonna throw it all over the yard 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.719 and it's gonna be fine. It's gonna be the greatest 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:10.280 comeback in Super Bowl history. And I'm like this, You're 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:11.960 out of your freaking mind. 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:13.320 You're out of your mind, Terry. 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:17.120 And then you know, I would I would say the 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:26.160 giant catch was the most improbable catch. I think your 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:33.040 catch was the most amazing catch I've seen. And seriously, 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.000 I mean I was there. I'm looking at him like, 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.760 oh my god, that just happened, and I'm looking for 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.879 the review to see if your hand's under it, and 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:46.240 and it was just the sequence of things that had 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:50.440 to happen, including Chris getting a holding call down down 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.200 on It was like first and then it. 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.040 Goes to first, and then they decided to throw it, 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:59.000 and then we got to throw it. What if you 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.680 run the ball three times, it would have been a 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:02.479 fieldbal position. 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:07.000 Your field goal game's over, You're winning the Trophy. You know, 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:11.639 thank you, but you know, certainly not from a game 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:17.520 management standpoint, situational football. And you know, I think you 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.720 know the head coach probably you know, it's one of 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.640 those things where it's like the Chicago game a couple. 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:24.040 Of weeks ago. 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.560 You know, it's he's gone and yeah, and you don't 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.600 make that decision and uh, that. 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:35.280 Was completely the eb refluse. That's malpractice. Yeah, I mean this. 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.639 Regardless of what's going on. And you wonder what's the 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:43.000 coordinator saying to Williams in his headset and you know, 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:44.440 what's he telling him and. 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:48.320 He's checking a play. Yeah, just the clock's running down. 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.359 The fact that they have never it seems so foreign 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.800 to them that they haven't gone over this type of situation. 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:55.960 Well, there's a lot of there's a lot of there 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.080 was a lot of turnover there and you know, voices, 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:01.680 and it's a young ki. He's a rookie. Now he's 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:04.720 played a lot of snaps in college. But you know, 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:07.679 to start a drive at the one yard line and 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.720 to be in field goal range immediately, I forget the 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.639 exact twenty one or twenty two or whatever it was 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:19.240 in the sack and well, the first first play is 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:23.439 a penalty, I think hands to the face. Second play 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.280 is you know, you take a sack and you can't 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.919 take a sack and you know, and you can't go 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.119 through this in a pregame because you don't have the time. 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.480 Yeah, and you can't change your play when you have 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.280 the like. That was the That was the thing with Caleb. 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.080 That was his fault of the whole thing. First off, 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.480 it's the coach's fault. Yeah, this is you gotta you 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.399 see that. No one knows what's going on. That's what 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:47.840 you're evaluating as a coach on the sideline. It's still players. 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:51.440 Let's let's do that. But then secondly, Caleb, you can't 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.680 change the play when there's only this minute. He changed 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:55.360 the play at the last second. You see, he tried 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:55.880 to audible. 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:59.480 So to get back to the the improbable, I mean 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.919 when I say improbable, there were so many things that 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:07.800 had to happen in that half and and everything, including 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:09.600 the two point conversion, you know, I mean. 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.720 It was amazing and we put him five for that game. 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:15.600 It was amazing. 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.280 And I and I remember, you know, Chris came on 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.840 the set and Diane was there, and you know, the 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.919 boys were there. Kyle had a tendon surgery and he 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.080 was limping around, and uh, you know, just it was 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:31.000 one of those kind of you know moments that you know, 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.800 was a polaroid in your head, and you know, and 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.560 and we go back to the hotel and I remember, 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:41.360 I'm still in disbelief and Usher who had been yelling, 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.840 you know, after halftime in our green room, you know, 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.160 you know, falcons, falcons screaming and yelling, and in my head, 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:54.160 I'm punching him in the face. But you know, I'm 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.240 sitting in the corner. I'm quiet. And he's a good guy. 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.119 I got nothing wrong with being a fan, and he 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.360 probably had no idea that you know, he didn't put 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.399 two and two together, but you know, not the place 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.040 to be yelling. 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:08.159 But here we are. 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.920 I'm We go back to the hotel and I remember 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:16.000 it like it was yesterday, and the family's there, and 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:19.000 you know, it's one in the morning and you can't 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.040 get room service. I tucked him in the sending us 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:24.199 some burgers down the lobby, and we're sitting around having burgers. 0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:25.800 And I go back up to the room, finding it 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:30.000 like four in the morning and the game was being 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:33.920 replayed on NFL Network, and I had to watch it 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:38.920 like it, did this really happen? And I was almost 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:42.600 my poor wife's dead asleep, and I'm watching NFL Network 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.399 replay at the Super Bowl and I'm watching it again 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.400 to say this really happened. And you know, of course 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.600 Chris goes to Philadelphia the next year and does it again, 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:56.560 and you know it's a it's another barn Burner game 0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:57.439 versus New England. 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:01.840 What would the average what was the average win? Our 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.280 biggest our biggest win total was eighteen when we went 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:08.600 by ten points against the Rams. Yeah, it's usually always 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.800 been four three three four, yep, you know, but that's 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.280 how we wanted to play the game. Yeah, that's how 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.200 Bill wanted. He wanted to control the game. 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.800 But you have to be really, really confident in your 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:23.720 ability to run situational football, to play that kind of 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:27.400 a game without a guest. Every possession, every first down, 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:32.080 every punt, every field goal, every kickoff is important. Yeah, 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.680 it's like you can't turn the ball over. You can't. 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.360 There's so many things that can't go wrong. 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.040 Without a doubt. I mean that that I did the 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:44.960 same thing like three years later and just watched that game. Like, 0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.400 when I retired, I saw that game for the first 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.880 time TV copy. I don't think I've ever watched our 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:51.360 super Bowl front exactly. 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:51.640 You don't. 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.280 You don't watch him, Yeah, but it was on and 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.000 I was sitting there like, how the fuck did we 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.200 win this game? Like everything had to happen and it 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.600 was point zero zero, zero zero one chance of winning. 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.840 But for you this, you know, we're talking about super 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:11.360 Bowl eighteen right now, we're discussing super Bowl forty or 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.160 fifty one. Your first super Bowl was this. This is 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:20.040 your son's first super Bowl. Way better, Way better, your son. 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:24.280 It's so much you know, listen, you have a daughter, yeah, 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.640 and you know when when our kids had you know, 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:33.120 now Kyle has kids and Chris has kids. I think 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.920 there's more of an understanding. You think you know, but 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:41.880 you don't know what you're willing to do for your kids. Yeah, 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.080 you know, jump in front. I always used to say 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.240 to them when you know, they were younger, at the 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:50.240 kitchen table, I said, look look around the table. These 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:51.560 are the people who are going to jump in front 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:54.080 of a bus for you. You know, nobody else is. 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:59.520 You might think they are, but they're not. Yea and understandably, 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:03.840 and it's important to know and you know, to watch 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.280 your kids have any. 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.240 Success, whether it's high school, college. 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:12.400 You know, I'm watching my grandsons now play flag football, 0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:16.920 and it's it's different, it's more and it's more enjoyable 0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.080 because I can, yeah, because I can just have fun. Yeah, 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.120 And I love those boys so much. And my perspective 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.840 at sixty four is so much different than it was 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:33.040 when I was twenty five through thirty five raising kids 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.600 and playing football, and then after that at Fox and 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.080 you know, getting back to get the team stretch on 0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:44.320 Monday to coach high school football. But it's way better. 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.800 The Super Bowl is way better. I don't. I think 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.880 more about those Super Bowls than than anything I ever did. 0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:51.360 That. 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:55.720 Now, did you say anything special to Chris before the 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.320 game or did you guys have a moment, because you know, 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.160 my parents and my family went ever before a game. 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.800 They knew Friday after that I was zero, dark thirty, 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.440 I was gone, you know, like I had my routine. 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.240 Friday was our day. My dad would you know that 0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.560 that was the thing. But for you and your family, 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.960 you played in this game. You know how the magnitude 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:18.040 of this game you know, the nerves, that anxiousness that 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.800 all the guys feel before this game, two weeks of media, 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.560 all this bullshit, the hoopla. Was there anything that you 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.960 just said to Chris that like before the game that 0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:32.600 you remember, you know the things I always you know 0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.640 kind of And I don't know if this specific thing 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:39.520 that you know I texted him or said, but I 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:44.280 would always you know, Kyle. 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:48.400 It was because if you played defense, you probably understand 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.160 offense a little bit more, you know. It wasn't until 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.520 year seven I didn't realize. One formation that bothered me 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.680 was DOT two tight ends balanced formation, one back in 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:02.720 the backfield, quarterback under center, and I and when you're 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.440 in a two gap scheme, the first step is everything. 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.920 You have to mirror that tackles first step. 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:10.280 Uh. 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.240 And I never had a bead on where they were 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.760 going with the ball other than well, that tight end 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:17.080 is bigger than that tight end. If they're going to 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:18.440 run the ball, chance I was going to run the 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.400 ball over here or if if if they're not, it's 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:25.320 going to be a counter O T tight end, and 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.280 it's gonna be the tight end and the tackle pulling. 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.080 What I would say was I'd look. 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.120 At the last three games, and I'd kind of go 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.760 through formations and things, and I'd say to Kyle, you know, 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:40.360 when he was in college playing at Oregon, because he 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.080 you know, he played six games in college, gets drafted in. 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.880 The first round. Yeah, all pro his first three years. 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.880 I mean, that doesn't happen exacually when you take a 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:50.640 year off and you're working in a surf shop. 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:52.440 Yeah, he's, you know, a specimen. 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.160 He's a freak show. And you know people have that 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.400 like God comes down and puts his hand on your 0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.240 shoulder and says, you're gifted. 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:00.240 What are you going to do with it? 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:07.640 Whereas Chris Grinder grinder grinder, and you know, my thing was, 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.760 you know, head on a swivel, don't stand around piles. 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:17.920 And there were certain formations and things that were I 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:22.880 felt were pertinent and tells. You know, I'd say, Kyle, 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.000 look if that that defensive end and the three men 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.440 front reduces down to a three technique and they walk 0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:32.400 the safety up, the slot's coming, and he'd say, under 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:33.840 what's that? 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:38.200 Kyle didn't even know what under was. Gren Fire was 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:39.760 like they do you know what Nickel defense was? 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.280 Until you know what his thing was, and It made 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:46.520 sense because kylein played very little football in college, and 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.600 you know in Oregon they ran to play every seventeen seconds. 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:52.640 He said, look, Pop, they were on a play every 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.960 seventeen seconds. I'm just looking for somebody to hit. And 0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.040 that's what he did, and it was in the direction 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.320 of where the play was going. And it makes that 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.959 that kind of you know, we're looking at micro, not macro. 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.720 We're looking at you know, the here and now I'm 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.040 pretty much sure I'm gonna block this guy and just 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.800 go there because you run a play for seventeen seconds. 0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:16.040 Whereas Chris was you know, he knew and he looked 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:19.000 at things and he approached the game differently, whereas Kyle's like, 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.359 I just line up and you know, I'm gonna try 0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:23.400 to whip the guy in front of me. 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.400 Yeah, I mean offensive line. That's that's kind of like 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.480 an offensive line mentality, though, I you know, it's foreigner. 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.480 They're different. They're different because you're a deep, you're a guy. 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.840 It's foreign to the hogs man. They Yeah, they have 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.040 their own they have their own little language. They sit 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.040 and they have their own area in the locker room. 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:44.120 They're always you know, the guys that just yeah, we'll 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.960 fucking go do this right now, let's lay you met him, 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.960 let's go get to the backer. But watching them play 0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:52.600 was far more. 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:54.880 You know, for example, i'd be I'd be the studio 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:58.640 at Fox, and you know Kyle and Chris. You know, 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:02.640 there'll be games where they were playing simultaneously. Mike, Mike, 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:06.200 Michael Straham was kind enough to you know, we're doing 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:10.480 the pregame, we're in the pre game, we're doing or 0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:12.520 we're in the postgame. Really we're at halftime. Let's say 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:16.400 we're at halftime in another game in another market, and 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.879 you know, Michael would put on Kyle's game and I'd 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.279 have Chris's game, or vice versas. And the only time 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.399 it was really challenging is when they were both taking 0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:28.839 a snap at the same time. It's like, Okay, which 0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.960 one needs me more? I think in my head, what's 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:36.360 the matchup? No, it all depends situational, situational ones, injured 0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.319 ones not. You know, he could take care of it. 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.480 You know, it's it's whatever. 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:43.280 Lane, he needs me a little more here, Yes, Kyle's 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.120 going against this guy. 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.759 Right And and that was the way it went. So 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:53.160 it was Sunday's are as. You know, It's like it's 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.680 kind of like digging it. I'd be less tired on 0:35:56.800 --> 0:36:00.359 Sunday night digging a ditch than I am doing you know, 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.240 five am to five pm on TV. 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:04.680 It's mentally exhausted. 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.400 Go go, go go, because you're you know, you're thinking, 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:11.240 you're and the night before you never sleep good because 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.840 you're always going through in your head. It's kind of 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.680 like playing, but there's nobody's hitting you, without a doubt. 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:18.880 But it's the same kind of feeling. And you know, 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.840 that's the one thing you get, you know when I 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.640 say when when you're done with football, the one the 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.239 one benefit of being in a studio and doing this. 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:29.680 And I know you feel the same way. I'm sure 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:32.920 you know you and Woody and you know you just 0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.000 it's a camaraderie. It's it's without the hitting. 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.400 You know what. I always say this, It's been so 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.480 great to get to work with you guys and Fox 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:49.680 because it gives you the taste of football. It gives 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.680 you a team to work with. 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:55.359 My friend, you have no idea of Fox is yeah, 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:59.040 Foxes and this is just me. I haven't been anywhere else, 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.160 but I know a lot of people and other places. 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.520 Fox is here and everybody else is here in terms 0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.360 of talent, how you're treated, you know, the day to 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.200 day kind of function, the respects you know, and. 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.680 Even the people behind the camera, like everyone's it's it 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:17.359 seems it reminds me of a lot of how our 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:21.320 organization was. Like we always had relationships with the equipment staff, 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.279 the lunch ladies. Everyone had their job and it's all 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.319 for us to go out and perform our best on 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.000 Sunday for one hour to get the best content. And 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.400 that's what I like about it. It reminds me of 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.120 football because you work with the group and you're all 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.760 doing something to try to get an output top to bottom, 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:37.319 you know. 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.320 And I think it starts at the top, and it 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.440 started with David Hill and you know now it's Eric 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:47.600 Shanks and you know Brad and you know that whole group. 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:53.680 They set the tone. And I've been there thirty one years. 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:56.040 Yeah at the beginning, yeah, beginning, and when it was 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:58.759 a blank sheet of paper and an idea, you know, 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:00.759 and here we are making it up on the go, 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.279 you know, and you know, trying to figure each other out, 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:06.800 you know. And I think when you're working with people 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:11.160 particularly in a in a studio setting on air, you know, 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.600 the biggest kind of reference I can make, as I'd say, 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:18.040 never lift yourself up at the expense of someone else. 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.040 You know, respect the person next to you and know 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:25.680 where their comfort level is. I you know, I don't 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:28.200 know where your line is, but I would know where 0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:31.560 your line is. I don't cross that line. You know, 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:35.120 I know where you're what's important to you, what what 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.719 would embarrass you or what would make you uncomfortable. And 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:40.720 you know, Terry and I had to figure that out 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:44.719 early on, and we did and we couldn't be any 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:49.320 more less alike, you know, I mean, you know Boston Catholic, 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:54.440 you know Louisiana, you know Baptists, you know quarterback, defensive 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:59.440 line and Steeler Raider. You know, he's We're just so different, 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:03.520 but he's the brother I never had, and we're as 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:05.880 close as could be. You know, the corny jokes and 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.280 you know he's singing in Branson, Missouri. 0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:12.560 Just book a twenty twenty show. Deal with the We 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.560 talk about that. It's hilarious, and you know, it's really 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:21.640 fun because at work when we go Sunday, you can 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.080 see what guy what everyone was in the locker room, 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.279 and you forget like that we are not part of 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.959 the same generations, and you feel like it's the locker room. 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.440 Like I can see how how he was in the 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.759 locker room. I can see how Michael was in the 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:37.400 locker room. You can see how Mike Vick was in 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.239 the locker room. You can see how you know how 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.319 everyone's in the locker room through their personality. And it's 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.400 fun because it makes you feel like you're in the 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:44.919 locker room. 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.759 Yeah, and that's and that's a thing that you know. 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:50.560 And I say, look, it's like I said to Kyle 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.520 all the time. You know, Look, if you stay in 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:57.919 shape and you present younger than you are, and you 0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:00.400 know your stuff and you work hard at this, you 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:03.719 can do it for a long time. If you're you know, comfortable. 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:06.640 I don't even know we're on camera. I mean, I'm 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.640 at the point in life where you know, I'm so 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:12.760 comfortable it doesn't really bother me. I wish I could 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:17.080 be this comfortable thirty years ago, you know. And kids 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.840 do that and you don't realize the impact that having 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:24.360 a kid has on you, and you know the responsibility 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.280 that goes with it. But also what you'd be willing 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:32.560 to do to protect that kid. And having three sons 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:36.560 and watching the grand kids. Now it's you know, I'm blessed. 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:38.520 You know, I really am to be. It a great 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.480 place to work. I've been with two organizations for forty 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:44.640 four years. Think about that. I've been a two organizations 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:46.520 for forty four years. 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:47.040 That's it. 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.640 And you know I don't plan on being anywhere else. 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:54.680 And ride off into the sunset and head up to Montana. 0:40:55.280 --> 0:41:00.640 Now, we were all talking before you came here, and 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:02.319 I had you by the way. I'll just let you 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.839 know in Prime with the Fox crew King of the Hill, 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.960 who's winning and everyone's in their prime? What does King 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:12.840 of the Hill mean? Last man standing? Last man standing 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.080 to death? You got to kill Michael and Mike that 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:17.600 that was the one that was scary because. 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.359 You got to kill Michael. You know, if I can 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.759 get you know, Mike Michaels. We always talk about this, 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.319 calling me a defensive ends like putting a ribbon on 0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:29.560 a pig. You know, I'm I mean, the closer I 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.160 got to the ball, the better I was. If if 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.879 if it's a fight, what's the smallest ring you can 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:38.960 get in? Whatever the smallest ring is I want you 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.120 in that because if I can get you in a 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:44.480 phone booth, you know, I got a shot and Michael, 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.440 you know length and you know he's hees kind of 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.920 you know, looks like Ali. He's got that kind of length. 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:53.640 And you know me, I'm I want I want inside. 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.839 I want to you know, hands around neck, you know 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.680 that kind of hands around, hands around. So I would say, 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:03.920 you know, weight class. You know, big truck beats little truck. 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.200 If you're in shape, you know, you've got to be 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:08.279 in shape. You gotta be the little guy. Can dance 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.120 around for a while, you get kind of tired and 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.799 bang bang bang bang. I always watch what's Terry doing 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:14.200 this thing? 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:16.440 During this what. 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:21.799 Terry is though interest he taps up, you know. But 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:27.160 it's funny because I watch boxing reels a lot. 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.640 Uh and you know. 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:39.239 Hearns Hagler Geez's greatest round. If if you haven't seen it, 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:44.120 watch it and you know any of those fights in 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:44.840 those days. 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.000 Uh, we had Haggler come to us and we watched 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:51.799 that or was it hearns who's the Brockton guy? That's 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:55.120 that's Hagler. We had Haggler come and he lives in Italy, right, 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.680 he lassay, but he lived in Italy. Came back, he 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.839 talked to us and we watched that first round with them. 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:05.840 Best jaw in boxing, I mean talk about fighting Tommy 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:11.799 Hearns and Hagler through more impact punches in a short 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:13.799 period of time than I've ever seen in. 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:14.520 A boxing ring. 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.240 You see it in a you know, one oh five, 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.080 one ten, Yeah, but not in the middleweight you know, 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.680 from the middleweight up in the middleweight class. You know, 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:28.480 it was it was a great class. But I watched 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:32.320 those and I you know, it's it's like anything else. 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:37.479 It's like I I like, I said, how you play 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:41.040 the lead Joe grow the counter the first ten twelve 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:47.280 times is inconsequential to me? It's eleventh, the fifteenth, sixteenth, 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:48.120 seventeenth time. 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:49.719 Do you blink? You know? 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.520 Are you are you still bringing it? How you play 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.000 at the end of game when they're running out the 0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.680 clock and you're down fourteen? You know, I want to 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:02.759 That's when I want to see you on film. 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.719 When when she's hitting the fan, that's who you, the 0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:06.680 real person comes out. 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:10.400 It's inconsequential. You're not going to win, and you know, 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:14.080 but what I'm doing. Is someone's looking at this film, 0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.120 you know, the next three opponents are looking at this film, 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.719 and you just want to you know, I don't want 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:23.680 to get hooked. I don't want to give ground. You know, 0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:30.000 every blade of grasp, every inch of end of a play, push, 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:34.279 it's it's inconsequential, but it's it's something. It's like, you know, 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:38.520 I always watch this Kingdom of Heaven. It's one of 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:39.480 my favorite movies. 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:42.479 Oh my god, what Heaven. 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:50.160 It's all about Jerusalem and Salahideen is is the Syrian 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:57.080 you know there there he's the general. Yeah, you know, famous, 0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:05.440 famous leader, and this this kind of English group or 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:08.200 from Britain or you know whatever it was at that 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:16.279 point as Jerusalem shifted hands multiple times, you know it 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:20.239 was Syrian and it was you know, Britain, you know, 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.799 the Kingdom of England, you know whatever. And there's this 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:30.520 one improbable leader of and he holds the army off there, 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:34.920 outnumbered a gazillion to one. And you know there's one 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:39.239 area in the wall that's the weak spot and he 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.799 knows that and he's tried to reinforce it although their 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.359 numbers are down. But when you have to funnel when 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:51.120 you're down three thousand to one hundred, you funnel it 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.440 into a small group and you're really you're fighting. Then 0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:58.040 you're fighting an abbreviated portion. And they made their stand there, Yeah, 0:45:58.080 --> 0:45:59.239 and it got to the point where it was a 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.560 standstill in there, you know the dead that the count 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:06.040 of the dead outside and inside of the of Jerusalem 0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:11.040 was astronomical. And they they kind of make a parley. 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:13.799 They you know, they say, I'll ride out meet you. 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.799 You write on me and me and they agree to 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:21.919 terms of if you give up Jerusalem, I will give 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:26.360 you and all of your women and children safe passage 0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:30.680 to the water. And and he said, well, how do 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:34.319 I know you do? I said, I am Saladin. That's 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:37.879 how you know, because I'm not the previous people. When 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:39.800 I give you my word, I give you my word. 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:45.520 As he's walking away, the the the leader from England says, 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.160 or you know, great Britain, whatever it is, says, what 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:53.759 is what does what's Jerusalem worth? He turns and he 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:59.960 says nothing, And he starts to walk away, pauses, turns 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:05.360 around and says, everything. That's that last blade of grass, 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.879 that's that last shove. 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:09.040 At the end of a play. 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:11.880 Yeah, you know, if you're giving up three inches four inches, 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:13.360 it's something, is that not? 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:17.400 That's the most raider answer. That's just like raider commitment 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:20.080 to excellence. Well, it's ear late, you know what it is. 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.840 It's and Michael would say the same thing, you know, 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.479 because if you talk to Michael, you'll hear the same 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:29.080 things probably that you hear from me. We were brought 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:31.600 up the same way. If I got hooked, if I 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.279 gave ground, you know, if we lost, and you know, 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:37.279 we didn't look good. I didn't look good, you know. 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:41.719 I I couldn't live with it. I didn't go to 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:46.080 a seven eleven, the jersey thing at the end of games, handshaking, 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:49.240 the communicating on Instagram. I didn't talk to John Elway 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:53.000 until I retired, Yeah, because I wasn't my job to 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:54.440 be friends with John Elway. 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.160 That's how it wasn't they and to Tom's very vocal 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:03.200 with that nowadays on how he was with his career. 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:05.880 That's just that's kind of a newer thing that's been happening. 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.239 Yeah, And it's fine, you know, It's it's like anything else. 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:11.319 Times change and times change. 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:14.760 You know, I'm not judging them. It's just things were different. Yeah, 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.879 how was working with John Madden being a raider. He's 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:20.480 a raider. He was great. 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:26.560 John's he was brilliant. When you think about John, I 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.360 think John when he finished with the Raiders, you know, 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:35.080 he's got he probably interviewed for with Networks with a 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:40.200 stained shirt from a hot dog, you know, and how 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:41.160 you kind. 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:42.359 Of authentically him. 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:47.240 How do you see that translating to broadcasting that's been 0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:51.520 done in a really tight window of performance. You know, 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:55.239 there's a stereotypical broadcaster. And that's what I thought when 0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:59.760 I came from from my you know, rehearsal or my audition, 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:03.200 and I thought you had to be you know what 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.400 I saw on TV because I never watched pregame shows. 0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.800 And David Hill had a vision of something totally different, 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.160 and it started with John Madden, and it went to 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:15.520 Terry and Jimmy and me and you know, and my 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:22.360 first audition was just too straight forward and not conversational. 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:24.879 And I got pulled to the side and David Hill said, 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:28.000 where's the guy seeing interviews? And I said, well, you 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.799 didn't tell me you wanted that. And Terry pulled me 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:32.600 aside and said, look, just lighten up, you know, and 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:36.600 that's what he wanted was our show, which had never 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:37.520 been done before. 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:41.400 And the show was an hour. 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:45.160 Long, which at that time had never been done, and 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:46.759 people were saying, what are you going to do in 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:50.640 an hour? An hour flies by like that. 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:52.840 It's only forty five really with the commercial and you 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:56.600 know you can do We're doing five hours or six 0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.160 hours for the pregame and the super Bowl. This will 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.799 be my first one. It's it's it's a lot. It's 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:04.000 an all day sucker. Oh yeah, it really is. 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:05.960 And you know, by the time you get to the 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:10.040 post game, you know you're you're near mentally. 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:12.120 It's probably gonna be the same feeling as after you 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.520 play it. Yeah, just because of all the hype that 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.840 we you know, it's a big thing for our network, 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.120 for Fox. And when you host the super Bowl. 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:23.120 There's one hundred at some point in the pregame and 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:27.640 the halftime, one hundred twenty, one hundred and thirty million 0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:28.600 people are watching. 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:29.760 It depend on Mayah. 0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.239 And you know, if you equate the light on top 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:35.160 of the camera as one hundred and twenty million people, 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:36.799 you might start to kind of think about it, but 0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:40.040 you know the key is just not doing that. 0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:44.280 Yeah, that's hard to do. What's your hack? Green light? Yeah? 0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:49.200 Nice, you know the podcast nice shout out Chris Hey gotta. 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:50.560 Do it for having got on near sighted even with 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:52.359 the glass. He caught that quick though. 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:54.160 Yeah, long knows what up. 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:55.759 I didn't size you up. You weren't a threat. 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:00.239 You could throw me at somebody, a projectile or something. No, 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:02.120 all right, I'm here for the team though. 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:06.560 What was something that people don't know about Fox? 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:13.719 How great you're treated as as someone that works there, 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:17.160 and you talked about it. You know, it's the interaction 0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:20.680 with Listen, we've been there thirty one years. I look 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:24.840 out on the set and I see the same makeup person, 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:29.759 I see the same wardrobe person. I see four or 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:36.440 five of the same cameramen. Uh, stage managers. You know there. 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:42.360 Bill Richards was you know, you know listen. Eric Shanks 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:46.160 started out as a BA and I think manscript and 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.719 worked his way up. Bill Richards worked his way up. 0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:52.840 Jacob Owman worked his way up. Jacob Bowman used to 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:55.239 go get me dip, you know, when he was like 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:56.560 coming out of USC. 0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:58.000 No I do. I said to him, he's a little 0:51:58.040 --> 0:51:59.399 he's a he's a little guy. 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:02.080 He he was a little guy and you know, just 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:05.239 out of you can imagine he looks so young, out 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:07.160 of school, and I said, were you a crack dealer? 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.799 He just looked at me like, I what what year 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:16.640 is that? Uh? Probably first year, first seven year. 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:21.080 So I think the thing about Fox that's special is 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:27.040 it's the people in front of the camera treat the 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:32.040 people behind the camera with respect, and I think that's 0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:35.759 that's all you can ask for, you know, And and 0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:41.040 the retention of people behind the camera, both from a 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:45.360 camera standpoint, floor managers, audio people, you know, you just 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.200 you develop a special relationship and they're part of the team. 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:52.719 And we greatly appreciate that, we truly do. And I 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:56.520 think that's I think if you don't have that, you 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:57.240 don't have anything. 0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:00.440 No. I mean, you're only strong as I hit. 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:03.360 I always told my kids, said, you hit people for 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:08.240 a living. You're not going across the country saving small children. 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:14.160 Get over yourself, you know, I mean really at the 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:17.239 end of the day, I mean, how you treat to me. 0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:22.319 And it's a really important point is what tells me 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.160 a lot about who you are is how you treat 0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:27.759 the bellman, how you treat the waiter, you know, how 0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:33.160 you treat the gal that's invisible, who's changing the trash 0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:36.879 bags in the studio, you know how you doing? 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:40.120 Yeah, without a doubt, just a hello. You know, you 0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:46.200 never know what somebody's going through. Now, now you had 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:51.000 kind of you. You're raised by your uncle. I was 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:52.000 raised by a lot of pain. 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:57.680 Yeah, it's classic Irish Catholic kind of you know, and 0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:02.320 raised by first mom and dad and you know then mom, 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:06.640 you know, and dad split up, and uh, you know, 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:09.560 my dad, you know, was an interesting guy. He's six seven, 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:13.279 two fifty five and you know, a mount of a man. 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.319 Worked at Hoods Milk and worked in the projects, worked 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:18.920 at D Street projects, and you know, in South Boston 0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:21.319 and worked in you know, a number of spots, and 0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:23.480 that was kind of the family business. You either worked 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:26.799 at Hoods Milk, which was across underneath the L train 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:30.959 bottom of the street across Rutherford Avenue was Hoods Milk, 0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:34.120 and my grandmother worked there for you know, twenty five 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:37.279 thirty years. Uncle George worked there, My dad worked there, 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:39.560 and then he worked in the projects, and my uncle 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.560 Mike got everybody a job at the projects, and my 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.480 uncle Billy, what's the job at the project it's you're 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.719 you're a maintenance person in the projects. You know, you're 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:51.239 just going around fixing doors and fixing light bulbs and 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:54.120 you know, any issues they have, your laborer. Yeah, you know, 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.120 it's it's hard work and you know you're in a 0:54:56.880 --> 0:55:03.680 you know, tough, tough spot. So Dad ends up who 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:08.439 was an orphan from birth to eighteen years old, never 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.359 played sports, so you know you always kind of wonder 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.319 in your head, you know, what would he have been, 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:19.400 you know, big athletic, you know, raw boned, you know, 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:25.080 big guy, strong, country strong, you know, and ends up 0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:29.319 falling on hard times. He's homeless on main street, living 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.200 in a car. You know, this is Charlestown's a mile square, 0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:34.799 so you know that impact. She was a kid. You know, 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:37.960 you don't really think about it at the time. You're 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:40.879 in survival mode. You know, my grandmother. I'm living with 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:43.919 my uncle Mike and my aunt Edie in a row 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:48.800 home in Charlestown. And the bussing riots start, de segregation starts, 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:52.280 and you missed school for sixty seventy days. It doesn't 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:55.400 look like it's getting any better. My uncle Billy was 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:59.120 the first to make it out of the neighborhood and 0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:03.200 move out to Milford up by Foxborough. Yeah, and my 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:06.600 grandmother and uncle Billy was the youngest of her four sons, 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:09.680 asked him to take me in. And he's got four 0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:11.680 kids of his own, and he's working in the projects, 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:14.759 driving a Maverick with a hole the size of a 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:18.880 basketball and the passenger floor, you know, down the mass 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:21.239 Pike in four ninety five, and you know, a lot 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.799 as salt, snow and salt. You can imagine, you know 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:27.239 exactly what I'm talking about. And he's barely making ends meet. 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:30.279 He's painting houses on the weekend. And he takes me 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:34.000 in and you know, dinner was over at six point 0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:37.399 thirty and the kitchen clothed at that point because we 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:40.640 were it was tight. Yeah, things were tight. And I 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:42.960 remember leaving there at six five, two twenty to go 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:45.359 to Villanova in summer school. And I got a meal 0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:49.080 card and I'm seventeen years old, and I would I 0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:52.279 opened camp at two sixty five. You know, it was 0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:54.160 like I was to eat. I was a big person 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:57.279 waiting to happen. But you know, for him to take 0:56:57.320 --> 0:57:03.160 me in like that, uh, you know, with the struggles 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:06.239 that you know come with having four kids and you know, 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:09.680 driving into Boston every morning, driving back painting house on 0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:13.080 the weekend, doing all that is you know, my grandmother 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.160 kind of set the foundational, you know. 0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:20.400 Part of who you are as a person, you. 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:23.080 Know, be kind. We took in my wife and I 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.600 talk about it. We took in more players. You know, 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.600 it's just kind of like a rotating door of Chester 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:32.920 mcglock and you know, Sean Jones, Bill Pakel, you know, 0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:35.720 you know, I went back to the reunion for the 0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:40.600 first time last year. I had never been to a reunion. Yeah, 0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:42.840 and I'm just not big on crowds. And you know 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:47.240 it's also we work on Sunday usually Sunday, Yes, yes, yeah, 0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:51.880 And this was this was a preseason game and decide. 0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:55.040 You know, Marcus kept texting me and calling me, and 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:58.200 I love Marcus and he's the best, best teammate, you know, 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:01.800 the most complete football player I played with. And uh, 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:04.240 and I said, you know what, for you, I'll come down. 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:06.960 So I come down there and you see all these 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:09.120 guys and it's you know, my wife and I were saying, 0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:12.800 how amazing was how many guys stayed at our house 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:17.400 that we took inet yeah, and you know you have 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:19.720 to kind of pay it back to a certain extent, 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:23.680 I think, and you know I'm not I'm not saying 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:26.440 it's you don't do it for any other reason than 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:29.240 you want to, but I think in some way it's 0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:33.480 a karma thing or something comes back to you. 0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:37.840 You know. I only asked because you since I of 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.920 the day I met you. You you you shout family. 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:45.400 You're like your family man. You know you love your kids, yep. 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:47.600 But you didn't grow up, you know, in a crazy 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:53.600 particularly family type atmosphere. Right to have that, you know, 0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:55.840 and it is it just amazes me because you know, 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:57.959 it's similar to how my dad grew up. He didn't 0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:00.560 have a dad, grew up in the trailer park, right, 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:03.360 and my dad is like a super family dad because 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.120 you know, maybe he wanted he wanted to be better, 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:08.360 and he wanted what he didn't have. Yeah. 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:12.440 And you know it's funny because my grandmother had this 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:16.840 little hole in the wall shack up in Babousic Lake. 0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:17.360 New Hampshire. 0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:22.040 Yeah, and it was the lake was maybe a mile 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:25.600 and a half wide, two miles long or a mile 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:26.280 and a half long. 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:27.480 It was a. 0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:31.560 Pond and you know in some ways, my home in 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:35.120 Montana on Flathead Lake, which is bigger than Lake Tahoe, 0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:40.640 is me replicating the happiest moments. Those are the happiest 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.640 moments I had. Yeah, when I think of Babouosic Lake 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:46.240 in the summertime and you know, the whole thing, Uh, 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:50.320 trying to replicate that from my kids was important. And 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:52.520 they grew up there and you know, love it. And 0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:53.920 Chris has a place up there now. 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:56.880 Now, how did you balance because I mean you did movies. 0:59:56.880 --> 0:59:59.720 I watched him Broken Arrow. You did movies for a while, 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:02.240 You've done on TV for thirty five years. Yeah, you're 1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:05.240 also you know, you have two kids that were playing 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:07.400 in the league at the time. How do you balance 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:10.440 all that being the family guy that you are, because 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:13.120 you still you put your family first, but you still 1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:15.080 do a lot of stuff. It's remarkable. 1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:17.680 The name of our corporation is Long Odyssey, and I 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:21.760 was always I was always fascinated as a kid who 1:00:21.840 --> 1:00:24.080 was one of the few books that I read as 1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:29.360 a young kid, The Odyssey Homer's Journey Home. And for me, 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:35.840 it's always everything is about getting home. And you know, 1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:39.160 I'm working, but I'm the next thing on my mind 1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:41.480 as soon as the day's over is how do I 1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:46.080 get home quickly? The movie thing was fun to do. 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:51.680 I was originally on Broken Arrow with John Travolta and 1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:54.160 it was fun. It was great experience. I was supposed 1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:57.160 to be there two three weeks and John Wu kept 1:00:57.200 --> 1:00:59.120 coming in my trailer and say, we make you bigger? 1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:00.000 Are you? John Wayne? 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:00.320 You know? 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:03.640 And I'm like, okay. So I call home and there's 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:07.200 three kids and they're building ramps, jumping their bikes into 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:10.040 the pool, and you know, they kind of get the 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:12.320 idea that at a certain point meets you in them 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:15.560 out on the phone. They look for Vancouver is on 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:17.520 the map and they say, well, he probably can't get 1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:19.600 home for you know, you. 1:01:19.560 --> 1:01:20.880 Know, a day at least. 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:24.800 I mean, so the threats kind of start to and 1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:26.720 and Diane said to me, I did, Uh? 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:28.400 I did? 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:32.200 Then I did Firestorm, which you know, Fox had a 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:35.640 preemption right because I signed the deal with Fox when 1:01:35.680 --> 1:01:37.920 I did Broken Arrow. And it was great. John Tirolta 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:40.280 was great and it was fun to do, and it 1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:43.440 was a successful movie. And it's playing somewhere every night 1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:46.920 on satellite, you know, and I get residual checks sneaker money, 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:50.600 I call it. And it's not a lot, but you know, 1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:53.400 you just sneaker money. And you know, so get your money. 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:53.680 Baby. 1:01:53.800 --> 1:01:58.800 So when I when I I get an offer from I, 1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:02.040 I another and another studio gives me an offer to 1:02:02.040 --> 1:02:05.840 do a post apocalyptic movie, thirty million dollar budget, whatever 1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:09.680 it is. And Fox preempts me to do Firestorm a 1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:14.400 sixteen million dollar budget, and it's gonna shoot during football season. 1:02:15.680 --> 1:02:20.640 So now I'm I'm literally running to the airport Sunday night, 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:24.320 getting on a plane to go to Vancouver, driving up 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:29.160 by Whistler, and I'm working six thirty in the morning 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:33.680 till you know, sunset, and going back on Friday to 1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:36.480 get to production meetings on Saturday. At that point, we 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:39.440 had production meetings on Saturday. Scott Akerson, you son of 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:44.160 a bitch. I'll never forgive you for that. But at 1:02:44.200 --> 1:02:47.600 one point after that, you know, and I did three 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:50.800 thousand miles of Graceland with Kevin Coostner, and you know, 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:53.120 it was it was fun, and that was more of 1:02:53.160 --> 1:02:56.479 a cameo, and you know, they got they were able 1:02:56.520 --> 1:03:00.000 to do My Pardon two three weeks. But Diane said 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:04.240 to me, she said, why are you doing this. Is 1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:04.920 it money? 1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:06.840 No? 1:03:08.360 --> 1:03:12.240 Is it ego? I said, you know, not really ego. 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:17.200 I don't really associate with me. It was kind of 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:20.200 like the natural progression of things, and things just kind 1:03:20.200 --> 1:03:22.919 of presented themselves and you want to check a box 1:03:22.960 --> 1:03:25.760 and say, you know, I did that, and I did 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:29.240 that and it was fun. But here I am raising 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:33.600 three kids, and I'll never regret coaching little league baseball 1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:36.960 for eight years. I'll never regret coaching high school football 1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:41.640 for eight years. I'll never regret that. And those were 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:45.919 some of the best experiences that I've had and they 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:50.440 had and it was my, I think my responsibility to 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:53.880 kind of this is how you play football. This is 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:56.680 how you protect yourself, This is how you treat your opponent. 1:03:56.760 --> 1:03:59.320 This is the way you play the game. 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:05.240 How is how is manly? All all purpose? Mister man? 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:08.600 Howie long On? Like? How how did you did you 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:12.360 with like actors and stuff like? Were they all kind 1:04:12.360 --> 1:04:14.000 of intimidated by you? I? 1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:16.720 You know, I really don't know. I think I was 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:20.760 John was great, John, John Travolter was great. 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:22.560 Holater. 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:25.360 I had never he I didn't have any interet really 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:31.520 any with him. John was I was with John all 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:33.960 the time, because you know, whether I'm in the trailer 1:04:34.000 --> 1:04:36.959 and then we go do you know whatever shot John 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:38.400 was in, I was generally in. 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:39.280 You know. 1:04:39.440 --> 1:04:42.280 I remember we were driving a hummer and I'm driving 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:44.560 the hummer and you know, We're supposed to slam on 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:47.480 the brakes and I and you know, I'm listen. I'm 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:52.160 a I'm easy to deal with, and you know, I'm 1:04:52.200 --> 1:04:55.680 certainly beyond football at that point, and I'm a team guy. 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:57.880 I'm I'm used to that, you know. I mean, it's 1:04:58.040 --> 1:05:01.280 I have a role and John the guy. And John's 1:05:01.360 --> 1:05:04.400 like the quarterback. He's like Tom Tom Brady. And when 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:07.000 you're driving Tom Brady in the hummer and you tell 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:08.880 him you're gonna they want me to slam on the 1:05:08.880 --> 1:05:12.760 brakes hard to Tom, and I don't know that Tom 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:15.720 really or John really got it. And I think he 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:18.720 came close to hitting the dashboard with his head when 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:21.520 we slammed again. We'll get out of the car and 1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:24.440 we're going into the thing where the nuke is, you know, 1:05:24.480 --> 1:05:29.280 and the whole thing. And and he flew us. He 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:32.760 had his own plane and he was the pilot, and 1:05:32.880 --> 1:05:38.840 his payback was going from you know, from the runway 1:05:38.960 --> 1:05:42.000 to ten thousand feet as quickly as you possibly could 1:05:42.480 --> 1:05:45.360 out in the middle of nowhere in Montana. We're shooting 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:48.960 in this dead center Lewistown, Montana. The yoga in, they've 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:51.040 got a little thing in the center. The lobby says, 1:05:51.320 --> 1:05:54.120 you are a dead center in the state of Montana. 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:56.640 And they had a great milkshake. And that's all I 1:05:56.680 --> 1:05:59.280 remember about, you know, the yo go in and the 1:05:59.320 --> 1:06:03.080 center of monte in Lewistown. But John's payback was you're 1:06:03.560 --> 1:06:06.160 you're you're holding seat of your pants. 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:06.520 You know. 1:06:06.600 --> 1:06:09.240 That was his payback for the slamming on the brakes 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:11.040 and him kind of catching his head on the dash. 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:13.880 Are you not a little spooked? I would be scared 1:06:14.040 --> 1:06:16.480 with John Travolta flying a plane. I don't I don't 1:06:16.480 --> 1:06:17.720 know if I want, you know what I mean, Like, 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:20.400 I think you can get scared with. 1:06:20.560 --> 1:06:22.840 I think at that point, you know, I'm still kind 1:06:22.840 --> 1:06:27.680 of young. I'm still probably in my thirties, yeah, late thirties, 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:33.400 and uh I think, uh there's a feeling of invincibility, 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:35.160 you know, to a certain extent. 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:36.200 Uh. 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:39.240 I remember when when I started playing in the league, 1:06:39.800 --> 1:06:41.720 I used to drink a shout at Tequila to get 1:06:41.760 --> 1:06:45.200 on the plane because we didn't fly a lot at Villanova. Yeah, 1:06:45.240 --> 1:06:47.920 you know, we we bust to most of our games. 1:06:48.520 --> 1:06:51.480 You know, we bust to you mass. I mean, so 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:55.240 getting on a plane and a plane that big saying 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:58.439 how does that thing fly? You know, So flights weren't 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:00.160 a big part of my life until I got to 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:01.360 the to the Raiders. 1:07:01.440 --> 1:07:06.120 Yeah, we'll be right back after this quick break. Let's 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:09.800 go back to around January twenty second, nineteen eighty four, 1:07:09.840 --> 1:07:11.520 when we like to go over what was going around 1:07:11.600 --> 1:07:15.120 pop culture around the world. Yeah, yeah, number one movie 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:18.800 Terms of endearment. Don't don't remember that, do you guys? 1:07:18.800 --> 1:07:22.560 Did you guys see that? Vaguely? Vaguely? Yeah, the number 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:25.800 one song Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes, I 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:27.800 think I remember that a little bit. That was It's 1:07:27.800 --> 1:07:30.600 not on my playlist. Yeah, it's was that Wham or something? 1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:34.400 I don't know wod George Apple's iconic nineteen eighty four 1:07:34.400 --> 1:07:37.600 commercial airs during the Super Bowls. Do you remember those 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:42.840 those Apple commercials? Yes? I do. It was very common shattering. Yeah, yeah, 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:44.440 he was playing during the Super Bowl. Can't remember the 1:07:44.440 --> 1:07:49.080 commercial really. Scott directed Scarface sudden impact, the right stuff 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:52.280 on all those quoted movies. Scarface say hello to my 1:07:52.400 --> 1:07:56.080 little friend. People like you need people like me to said. 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:59.080 That's a bad guy. That's a bad guy. Now, what 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:01.320 was life like for how we long? In nineteen eighty four? 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:03.120 You're in your third league, third year in the league, 1:08:03.160 --> 1:08:06.840 second year in the league, you're newly married. What's what's 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:08.120 you're living in an apartment? 1:08:08.880 --> 1:08:12.560 I'm married in eighty two and a fight broke out 1:08:12.600 --> 1:08:16.120 at our our our wedding, and it was and you know, 1:08:16.200 --> 1:08:18.360 the thought was that it was going to be my 1:08:18.520 --> 1:08:21.920 family because you know, we're from Boston and you know 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:26.360 she's she's from Jersey time. You know her dad's names 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:29.880 Francesco at a Easio and your brother's name is Virgilio 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:32.680 out of Easio. And I thought process was that you know, 1:08:33.920 --> 1:08:37.200 my kind of you know guys working at the project, 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:39.960 Uncle Billy, Uncle John who's a cop in the North End, 1:08:40.000 --> 1:08:43.080 and you know Uncle George, and you know, the whole 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:44.680 thing are are going to be the ones that are 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:47.639 going to be maybe a problem. And as it turns out, 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:52.599 apparently you know, there was a non blood family member 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:57.000 got a better seat than somebody in the family, and 1:08:57.120 --> 1:08:59.880 there was an argument about that up by the head table. 1:09:00.040 --> 1:09:03.280 My cousin Michael, who I shared a room with when 1:09:03.280 --> 1:09:08.599 I was living with Uncle Mike and ann Edie. We 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:12.760 we lived together. He was my best man and fight 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:16.840 breaks out and they knock over the head table. And 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:19.840 this is like my ace in the hole forever for 1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:23.040 my wife because I can, I can pop that out 1:09:23.080 --> 1:09:27.439 and say, your family, you know, after her mom passed, 1:09:29.560 --> 1:09:34.080 frank came down to live with us and he, you know, 1:09:34.280 --> 1:09:36.439 we got him a house on the property and you know, 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:40.360 we've got sixty five acres in Virginia by UVA and 1:09:40.760 --> 1:09:42.519 he lived with us and I said, what why are 1:09:42.560 --> 1:09:45.200 you up there? I mean, is it a card game? 1:09:45.240 --> 1:09:47.760 We can get your card game down here. There's a 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:51.479 game or a practice every night of some kind literally 1:09:52.240 --> 1:09:55.880 high school football, whatever, so you'll always have something to do. 1:09:56.600 --> 1:09:59.320 And he ended up being with us for ten years 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:02.840 and it was great, and the grandsons called him Frankie, 1:10:03.400 --> 1:10:08.840 and ironically enough, Kyle ended up naming his daughter after Francesco. 1:10:10.040 --> 1:10:15.000 He named his daughter Francesca and they call her Frankie. 1:10:15.040 --> 1:10:17.120 That's cute. I love that name for girls. 1:10:17.280 --> 1:10:20.879 Yeah, and she's as you can imagine Kyle's daughter. 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:24.000 Is adorable, probably adorable and a little bit of a 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:24.479 freak show. 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:27.360 I mean, you know you could see it earlier, you 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:30.280 know you I when I said to Diana, I said, 1:10:30.280 --> 1:10:33.599 you know, he's different. And he was like two three 1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:36.000 years old. She said, you're crazy. I said, no, I'm not. 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:37.920 He's different. 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:41.680 See how he knows. He knows when he sees a specimen. 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:42.400 He could see it at. 1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:47.719 Over a fence and you go, it's like the tiger 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:49.360 at the zoo. You see the tiger at the zoo 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:52.000 and it's laying there and you go, wow, that's a 1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:57.040 beautiful animal, you know, color and big and looks strong, 1:10:57.120 --> 1:10:58.920 and all of a sudden, that tiger gets up and 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:02.120 jumps over ten foot bentce. You go, oh, now, I. 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:04.800 Guess yeah, that's why he's a predator. Yeah, one of 1:11:04.840 --> 1:11:07.080 those lead ones. Yeah. Now have you ever used that card? 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:11.320 What card with the wife? Oh? God, yah, I told 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:14.799 that story. Are you kidding me? We've been married forty 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:19.120 golly eighty two to forty two years? You get what 1:11:19.200 --> 1:11:21.680 you get? One one card? Usee a year? One not 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:26.280 at least at the very least. The Sports World nineteen 1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:29.000 eighty three eighty four Super Bowl champions with the La Raiders, 1:11:29.880 --> 1:11:33.200 Dan Marino was the NFL MVP. How good was Dan Marino? 1:11:33.479 --> 1:11:34.439 How good would he he be? 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:38.240 In this best drower of the football I ever saw, 1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:41.479 and the quickest when I tell you the quick and 1:11:41.479 --> 1:11:42.559 you probably watched some. 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:43.120 Of his stuff. 1:11:43.960 --> 1:11:48.559 The quickest release you could ever have in today's game. 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:52.600 I don't it'd be it'd be astronomical. Yeah, but he 1:11:52.680 --> 1:11:54.599 was a He was a guy that didn't want pre 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:57.320 stab motion. He didn't want to change the snap kind 1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:00.320 of a lot. He had the best center I've ever seen, 1:12:00.439 --> 1:12:06.479 Dwight Stevenson. And you know that offense was hammon. 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:09.080 What kind of do was he when you sacked him? 1:12:09.600 --> 1:12:12.640 He was You rarely got to sack him because you 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:17.920 could literally run by your guy and ball out, Ball's gone. 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:21.680 So he was really Uh to me, he was the 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:23.200 best thrower of the football I ever saw. 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:25.120 You've seen a lot of football is being thrown. That's 1:12:25.120 --> 1:12:29.800 saying some Celtics peak the Lakers in seven games? Of course? Baby? 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:34.400 That that was You ever meet Larry No, My uncle 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:39.840 John was who is his agent? Uh? I forget who 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:40.720 his agent was. 1:12:41.960 --> 1:12:44.880 My uncle John was kind of an off duty cop 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:49.479 bodyguard kind of guy for him. Uh so he met, 1:12:49.560 --> 1:12:53.280 you know, he interfaced with Larry and Larry. I've got 1:12:53.280 --> 1:12:57.400 a I've got a jersey from from Larry. Uh that 1:12:57.479 --> 1:13:00.639 hangs up him right next to my Bobby or goal 1:13:00.840 --> 1:13:04.960 versus Saint Louis in the Stanley Cup to win the game. 1:13:05.479 --> 1:13:07.439 He's airborne, he's horizontal to the grant. 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:08.960 So I they have that statue. 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:12.960 I've got my autographed Bobby or who I wanted to be, 1:13:13.160 --> 1:13:14.000 you know growing up? 1:13:14.160 --> 1:13:17.840 Wow, you see, did you play hockey? I did. 1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:19.920 We played a lot of We did everything in the street. 1:13:19.920 --> 1:13:22.880 I never played organized sports until I went up to 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:26.040 live with my uncle Billy, and high school coach sees 1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:27.960 me walking through the hallway and says, hey, who are you? 1:13:28.680 --> 1:13:31.439 And I might think thirteen, I'm fourteen years old? 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:35.680 How tall are you at thirteen six three? You know, 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:37.280 seventeen years old? Sixty three? 1:13:37.640 --> 1:13:40.479 And you know I didn't even have to put the 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:44.680 equipment on. You know, I was terrible and ended up 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:49.320 getting two scholarships, one to Boston College and one to Villanova. 1:13:49.360 --> 1:13:51.640 And my grandmother wanted me to get out of the neighborhood. 1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:54.519 And you know it turned out to be, uh, you know, 1:13:54.640 --> 1:13:57.880 prophetic on her part. And met my wife there and 1:13:58.040 --> 1:14:00.599 she was a classics major and I wasn't. 1:14:04.000 --> 1:14:08.360 Fucking Odova. Yeah, man, you had to get out of Charlestown. 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:10.000 You had to get out of the town. John Elway's 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:13.320 rookie season, I remember that now, he almost became a Raider, right, 1:14:13.680 --> 1:14:14.599 Brozel blocked it. 1:14:14.560 --> 1:14:16.920 Right, that's the I don't know if he blocked it. 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:19.320 I think what ended up killing the deal was they 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:22.800 wanted me included in it. It was I think a 1:14:22.880 --> 1:14:27.840 three team deal. And you know Chicago, the Colts and 1:14:27.880 --> 1:14:30.960 the Raiders and you know, and I and I when 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:33.599 I heard about this, It's funny because I was, I 1:14:33.760 --> 1:14:37.160 was in Canton. I just landed. I was in Canton 1:14:37.200 --> 1:14:39.559 and I and they did this kind of it's a 1:14:39.600 --> 1:14:44.479 great docu kind of ESPN thirty for thirty or whatever. 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:48.040 And Marvin Demoff ended up representing you know, Chris and 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:52.440 Kyle for a period of time. Uh, you know, legendary 1:14:53.000 --> 1:14:57.200 agent was was part of it because he was Elway's guy, 1:14:57.200 --> 1:15:00.760 and he was Marino's guy, and you know, uh, and 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:03.639 I called Ron Wolfe one of the great football minds. 1:15:03.680 --> 1:15:04.280 And you know, I. 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:06.040 Said, Ron, you son of a bitch, you were going 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:09.920 to trade me to Chicago. And he said, Howie, that 1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:14.000 was never happening. He said, you know that was you know, 1:15:14.000 --> 1:15:15.800 it was kind of like they sent a proposal with 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:20.400 I think a corner first round pick, this, this and this, 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:26.280 and their comeback was Howie Long uh and and a 1:15:26.400 --> 1:15:29.519 draft pick and uh. I think that's where now I 1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:32.719 would have traded myself for John away from from the Raiders. 1:15:32.720 --> 1:15:37.880 But you know, al uh Al was, you know, a 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:42.639 different guy. You know, I think he he was so 1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:47.840 smart about personnel and had a vision of regardless of 1:15:47.840 --> 1:15:53.120 where you go, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Mark Van Egan, 1:15:53.520 --> 1:15:56.880 where Mark play like Colegate or something. 1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:59.479 Cole Gate, there's another player came out of Colgate. Where 1:15:59.479 --> 1:16:03.879 do you play Ark? He was, uh, he was Coldgate. 1:16:04.479 --> 1:16:08.160 So you know, here I am at Villanova and nobody 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:10.360 even knows me, and I get in a I'm in 1:16:10.400 --> 1:16:13.719 a kind of a little bit of a thing, let's 1:16:13.760 --> 1:16:15.799 call it, in the middle of the season where someone 1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:17.880 got beat up and robbed, and you know, they come 1:16:17.920 --> 1:16:20.519 to my room of course and asked the company, you know, 1:16:20.880 --> 1:16:23.400 can you go back? One kid transferred from Florida State 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:26.960 and he got robbed of his bowl watch from Florida State. 1:16:27.040 --> 1:16:29.559 And we go down there to get all the stuff back, 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:33.000 and you know, not thinking about how it's going to end. 1:16:33.560 --> 1:16:34.559 What's the endgame here? 1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:37.040 Not probably good and I'm not really thinking about it 1:16:37.720 --> 1:16:40.800 and two three cops pull up and you know, I 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:45.360 get detained, and ironically enough, they kind of use that 1:16:45.439 --> 1:16:48.400 as a straw that broke the camel's back to drop 1:16:48.439 --> 1:16:52.040 the program at Villanova. Wow after I left, So they 1:16:52.160 --> 1:16:55.760 dropped the program for a period of time. And yeah, 1:16:55.800 --> 1:16:57.439 so I but I think being in that. 1:16:57.479 --> 1:17:02.240 Situation maybe helped me became a raider. This guy fights, 1:17:02.280 --> 1:17:04.160 get him in, get him in. 1:17:04.479 --> 1:17:07.360 Hey, listen, you're in that locker room at Villanova, and 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:09.400 you're in the dorm of Villanova. There's a priest on 1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:12.559 every floor. And you go to the Oka Raider locker room. 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:15.320 The guys are smoking sale and lights and they're grown men. 1:17:15.439 --> 1:17:19.120 And here I am. I'm I'm in pit drill day one. 1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:21.360 Pit drills like you know, one on ones between two 1:17:21.400 --> 1:17:25.479 bags of running back the offensive lineman and you and 1:17:25.479 --> 1:17:28.240 and the first guy up is Art Shell. I'm twenty one, 1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:31.120 and he's got a full beard, he's three hundred and 1:17:31.320 --> 1:17:35.120 I don't know they didn't weigh Art, uh, And you know, 1:17:35.360 --> 1:17:37.400 I didn't know whether to grab my cheekbone, which I 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:40.320 thought was fractured, or my ribs because I couldn't breathe 1:17:40.360 --> 1:17:43.559 because he'd he'd punch you in the ribs as as 1:17:43.600 --> 1:17:45.519 he came off the ball. But it was kind of 1:17:46.080 --> 1:17:50.120 Jeane and Art were, you know, in many ways, were 1:17:51.720 --> 1:17:54.760 very influential to be, you know when I first got there, 1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:57.080 because when you're going against Jean and Art all the time, 1:17:57.800 --> 1:17:59.639 that you know it's gonna make you better, it raises 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:02.400 the love of you know, we're not playing Delaware. No, 1:18:02.880 --> 1:18:05.559 it's not Delaware, not the Blue Hen. I became such 1:18:05.560 --> 1:18:10.320 a better receiver when we got to Lee Bakeeb. 1:18:10.600 --> 1:18:18.880 Yeah, Tilly, he's my boy too, because I used to 1:18:18.920 --> 1:18:20.479 have to run routes with him. They wanted to see 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:22.800 if he's in shape after we had to do one 1:18:22.840 --> 1:18:25.720 on ones after practice. Yeah, so Bill would make me 1:18:25.800 --> 1:18:27.840 run one on ones against him, and then we got 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:31.519 revis and we used to go like competitive periods one 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:33.560 on ones all the time. And my game got so 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:35.960 much better because I was playing against those guys. 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:39.840 Well we played, we we were. We were a physical team. 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:42.960 Inside run was inside run. You know, past rush was 1:18:43.000 --> 1:18:45.760 past rush, goal line was goal line. Team period was 1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:48.280 team period, and it was and it's hard to kind 1:18:48.280 --> 1:18:51.960 of duplicate that because you know, and and I've gone 1:18:51.960 --> 1:18:56.160 to New England as a broadcaster and Burge would come 1:18:56.200 --> 1:18:57.800 in and say to me. I'd be out in the 1:18:57.880 --> 1:19:02.280 you know, the outside rooms, outside of everything, and he'd say, 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:04.800 you know, Bill, once, you know, if you want to 1:19:04.840 --> 1:19:07.599 come over to practice, Bill, once you come the price. 1:19:07.680 --> 1:19:09.880 You go to the practice and I'm standing on the 1:19:09.920 --> 1:19:14.200 sideline and there's nobody in the building. It's just me 1:19:14.880 --> 1:19:18.960 and Bill with that that whistle, you know, doing that thing. 1:19:19.040 --> 1:19:22.479 And you know, I'm kind of like, I'm this reminded 1:19:22.520 --> 1:19:25.639 me of the Raiders because nobody. There was no friend 1:19:25.680 --> 1:19:30.120 of a friend, no sponsor, nobody. It was all about 1:19:30.160 --> 1:19:35.240 football and that's it. And I you know, I was 1:19:35.280 --> 1:19:38.920 only in one place, and you know, you go to 1:19:39.000 --> 1:19:42.200 other places, you know, over the thirty one years as 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:44.760 a broadcaster, and you know, you you kind of get 1:19:44.760 --> 1:19:47.640 a glimpse into how somebody else does it. But you know, 1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:50.720 generationally it's different. But you know, it's also from an 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:54.720 ownership standpoint, it was just different. You know, we we 1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:57.080 were an island onto ourselves. It was a wall around 1:19:57.080 --> 1:19:59.400 the practice facility and nobody got in. 1:20:00.040 --> 1:20:02.080 Bill used to whenever we played the Raiders, he'd give 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:04.600 a he'd always give like a history lesson on the 1:20:05.000 --> 1:20:08.679 team and the foundation and you know how the owner 1:20:08.760 --> 1:20:11.519 got the team and Al Davis, being a coach, sue 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:13.800 the league give us a whole presentation on it. He 1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:16.920 loved Al Davis and a lot of people. The whole 1:20:16.960 --> 1:20:21.240 do your job thing was Al Davis that said it 1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:27.360 to Parcells, like after something Parcells was complaining or something 1:20:27.720 --> 1:20:30.719 about what was going on, and I guess Al Davis 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:33.960 just said, just do your job. And that's where it 1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:36.519 was pretty simple to say it to, you know, the team. 1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:38.240 And then Bill took it up and so the do 1:20:38.360 --> 1:20:39.759 your job came from Al Davis. 1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:41.800 Just win, just win baby, do your job. You could 1:20:41.840 --> 1:20:46.479 put those on T shirts, you know, uh, just win babies, 1:20:46.520 --> 1:20:50.040 win baby. Yeah, he said, oh fuck, Howie Howard, you 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:54.000 call me Howard? Oh fuck you think it tough. I'm 1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:58.640 like this guy, think my hands. He was really I 1:20:58.720 --> 1:21:01.800 call him mister Davis. I mean, part of it's my upbringing. 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:02.240 You know. 1:21:02.439 --> 1:21:04.800 I mean I never had that. I only got called 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:07.839 up there maybe once or twice. 1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:08.599 You know. 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:11.679 One was a contract and we did that over the phone, 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:13.920 but the other was a fight. I got in and 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:17.120 it got bad, and you know he just told me 1:21:17.160 --> 1:21:19.160 not to beat him body also. 1:21:19.960 --> 1:21:24.640 Now did he ran shit? He ran everything? Because I 1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:27.920 remember when I was a quarter where when I was 1:21:27.960 --> 1:21:30.680 coming out, Charlie Ferry was training me and he was 1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:32.680 with the Raiders at the time. Remember Charlie Frye a 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:35.240 the quarterback, I know the name. He was there for 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:37.840 a cup of coffee, but he was close with Al 1:21:37.920 --> 1:21:40.599 at the time. It was before Al died, and he 1:21:40.920 --> 1:21:43.200 the one thing everyone you know knows about the Raiders. 1:21:43.200 --> 1:21:46.559 They want speed and size, no question. And Charlie asked him, 1:21:46.600 --> 1:21:48.200 like you you should pick this guy up in the 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:51.439 seventh round to Al. And he goes, he's not fast 1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:53.680 enough baby, or so he said something like that, he's 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:54.880 not fast enough for out. 1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:58.200 Of the gate at size speed. Same thing with you know, 1:21:58.280 --> 1:22:01.639 you could say Bill Parcells with quarterbacks, you know it's 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:05.040 got to play three years, got to be six four 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:08.640 two twenty. You know, it has to fit the prototype. 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:12.400 And you know that was in many ways what Sean 1:22:12.560 --> 1:22:15.640 was about, Yeah, Sean, Sean was about that before he 1:22:15.680 --> 1:22:20.000 went to Denver, coming from New Orleans. H And that's 1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:27.240 why I honestly think the Russell thing never really worked because. 1:22:27.360 --> 1:22:34.160 It wasn't the make was Yeah, but Drew was one. 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:38.519 It was a system. Two was you know, supply and demand. Uh, 1:22:38.560 --> 1:22:40.320 and don't forget he was going to go to Miami. 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:44.280 And then the shoulder thing, and and and where Sean 1:22:44.439 --> 1:22:48.799 changed things was at that point guards and centers weren't 1:22:49.200 --> 1:22:52.519 as important, and one ended up being the case with 1:22:52.680 --> 1:22:55.679 you know, three five step drops, get the ball out gun, 1:22:55.800 --> 1:22:59.760 you know, spread all that. The fastest route to the 1:22:59.800 --> 1:23:03.080 core back is up the middle, whether it's you know, 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:06.800 mug linebackers in in in the center guard gap, or 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:10.600 you know you're bringing pressure in the interior it's you know, 1:23:10.960 --> 1:23:16.480 slant and looper with the backer. Seawn made those positions 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:21.000 a point of emphasis, even over tackle because. 1:23:20.520 --> 1:23:22.880 Of Drew Brees pressure in the middle. 1:23:24.520 --> 1:23:28.240 But I think, you know, from from a personality standpoint, 1:23:28.280 --> 1:23:32.759 from a size standpoint, you know, and Sean didn't sign 1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:35.160 you know, to sign. 1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:38.040 Him up in Denver. Russ. 1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:42.600 Russ wasn't ever going to fit with Seawan, and I 1:23:42.600 --> 1:23:44.320 thought I was unfortunate because you know, and I'm a 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:47.360 big Sean fan. I didn't like the whole thing on 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:50.280 the sideline. It was uncomfortable for me, a little uncomfortable, 1:23:50.320 --> 1:23:53.160 you know, you know, do that, you know, let's do 1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:54.320 that in the building. 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:54.760 You know. 1:23:55.360 --> 1:23:56.760 It wasn't like, you know, I don't know what the 1:23:56.800 --> 1:23:59.120 situation was. And I haven't talked to Sean about it, 1:23:59.439 --> 1:24:04.240 and at some point on I will. But big Sean fan, 1:24:04.400 --> 1:24:10.360 he's watching games with him. Gave me another perspective because 1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:13.280 my whole perspective's been I've got the guy who you know, 1:24:13.840 --> 1:24:16.040 you want to talk about, a guy who can build it, 1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:23.799 coach it, you know, knows how to you know, hire coaches, players, contracts, trades, everything. 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:28.360 Jimmy Johnson, for he's aside from the three four years 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:30.439 he was in Miami, you know we were together. 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:34.120 Wow, Jackie, let's jump into the game real quick. 1:24:35.520 --> 1:24:40.400 Let's go over these these Washington eighty three defending Super 1:24:40.439 --> 1:24:43.320 Bowl champions on a run. The Leady coming into this 1:24:43.360 --> 1:24:46.599 Super Bowl, they'd won thirty at thirty four games, MVP 1:24:46.800 --> 1:24:50.280 Joe the Heisman led the league in scoring, incredible defense 1:24:50.320 --> 1:24:51.440 led the League in Takeaways. 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:52.959 Joe Gibbs Coach. 1:24:52.720 --> 1:24:54.800 Of the Year. I mean they were just firing on 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:56.000 all cylinders. 1:24:56.400 --> 1:24:59.400 They were hitting everything they had, the coach, they had, 1:24:59.400 --> 1:25:02.679 the team. How do you sum up this nineteen eighty 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:03.880 three Redskins team. 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:09.160 Well, the they were. There wasn't really a weak spot 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:14.559 you could look at, you know, and everything revolved around physicality. 1:25:14.240 --> 1:25:17.639 The perception was I think at that time the NFC 1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:19.800 is a little more physical than the AFC, that kind 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:23.200 of thing. But we were, you know, unless Greg town'sen 1:25:23.280 --> 1:25:25.880 up there in the picture. Greg was a great player, 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:27.680 and he was a flip end, you know, he was 1:25:27.680 --> 1:25:33.880 a guy who'd flipped to the weak side. And they 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:37.519 were a physical team that forced you to match their 1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:40.960 physicality and few teams could do that. And you know, 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:44.479 you think about their wide receiving core, you know, Garrett 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:48.439 Monk or Monk famers Hall of Famer, as good as 1:25:48.479 --> 1:25:51.439 Guy Diadyer Warren and Walker. You know, those the tight 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:56.360 ends were. You know, they were guys who were committed. 1:25:56.760 --> 1:26:00.360 They go two three tight ends, they load up and 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:02.479 and the first thing you're thinking about, particularly in the 1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:04.760 three man front, is we've got to stop the run. 1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:06.760 We've got to stop the counter. I've got to beat 1:26:06.800 --> 1:26:10.439 the Pollers on the back side, So I cheat maybe 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:15.479 three inches outside on the guard to make that block 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:19.920 for Bostic all the all the harder, and Stark is 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:22.600 going to try to get a hand inside while the 1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:25.559 center is blocking back in the guard tackle poll And 1:26:26.000 --> 1:26:30.080 you know I was they couldn't. They had I'd say 1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:32.439 they couldn't. They struggled to run that away from me. 1:26:32.880 --> 1:26:34.920 So they had to run it to me. And fourth 1:26:34.960 --> 1:26:38.439 down I'll never forget. You know, we there was a 1:26:38.439 --> 1:26:41.519 fourth and big fourth and one in the game, and 1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:46.800 you know they flipped me over to Jojakobe because look, 1:26:47.080 --> 1:26:53.800 you're gonna Jojacobe six whatever, six eight three twenty. He's 1:26:53.880 --> 1:26:54.559 just a big man. 1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:55.080 Eight. 1:26:55.520 --> 1:26:57.760 These are big men. He's a big man. And the 1:26:57.880 --> 1:27:00.519 talk about the game getting so much bigger, that's a 1:27:00.520 --> 1:27:00.880 big man. 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:04.679 Well, Joe was an exceptionally big guy. And we knew 1:27:04.680 --> 1:27:06.559 where the ball was going. They knew where the ball 1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:09.240 was going, and I'm inside eye on Joe on Joe, 1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:12.760 and you know, everyone around me was like, you know, 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:15.080 you know, this is it. This is kind of a 1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:19.160 huge moment, and you know, we stuff it on fourth 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:22.519 down or on third and third and short or fourth 1:27:22.520 --> 1:27:24.240 and dry. I'm not sure exactly what it was, but 1:27:24.920 --> 1:27:26.600 it ended up being one of the bigger players in 1:27:26.600 --> 1:27:29.720 the game. Derek Jensen blocks a punt. That's a big thing, 1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:33.840 and I run to start the game, and ironically enough 1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:38.920 backed up second. I think it was second long. It 1:27:38.960 --> 1:27:41.280 was the play that ended up beating us. Earlier in 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:45.040 the year, it was Joe Washington on a screen. So 1:27:45.439 --> 1:27:48.439 the other side, though, Charlie Sumner, who's an old bear 1:27:48.960 --> 1:27:50.680 or a legged old bear. You know, there were a 1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:53.479 lot of bears on our staff, guys that played with 1:27:53.560 --> 1:27:58.280 Doug Atkins, really really tough guys, and Charlie was a 1:27:58.320 --> 1:28:03.320 great coordinator, and uh, we were simple. We didn't we 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:06.960 We ran maybe two blitzes a game because our corners 1:28:06.960 --> 1:28:08.960 didn't have to even get in the huddle because they 1:28:09.040 --> 1:28:12.080 were in cover one or you know. And our guy 1:28:12.120 --> 1:28:16.439 from Mike Haynes Haines and Lester Hayes, and they were 1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:21.240 two very different. Lester was a converted linebacker playing corner 1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:24.960 from Texas A and m I think, and Mike Haynes 1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:31.280 was poetry and you know, just mirrored what it was 1:28:31.360 --> 1:28:34.360 kind of like reevis it was kind of like that 1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:34.880 kind of thing. 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:39.400 It was like, well, was he a smart did he 1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:42.000 study a bunch? Because usually what I always saw off 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:45.400 with the best corners that I played with, they could 1:28:45.479 --> 1:28:50.200 cheat because they knew situationally what concepts you would run that, Yeah, 1:28:50.200 --> 1:28:52.000 they would run the route for you because they were 1:28:52.040 --> 1:28:56.040 so dialed into formation, you know, Like that's what I 1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:57.760 saw with like the best. I don't know, but there's 1:28:57.760 --> 1:28:59.639 some guys I don't know that just you just say 1:29:00.320 --> 1:29:01.320 him Lester. 1:29:01.160 --> 1:29:02.800 In my mind, who should be in the Hall of Fame. 1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:09.800 Was a weekend in Vegas. You know, it was he 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.960 was up and on you and it was all or 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:16.040 you know, I'm hit me on a sixteen? 1:29:16.160 --> 1:29:19.320 You know what I mean? Mike was. 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:23.639 It was like he was just looking in a mirror 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:28.280 and just cover the shit out of him and could 1:29:28.280 --> 1:29:30.920 do it all day long. And that was a big 1:29:31.040 --> 1:29:33.640 key for us in both in the game earlier in 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:37.360 the year and and and this game. And in this 1:29:37.439 --> 1:29:40.880 game in particular, was I hit Riggins one time on 1:29:40.920 --> 1:29:43.680 a slant and I don't know if it was this 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:47.000 game or the early game in the year, and golly, 1:29:47.040 --> 1:29:51.360 the entire the sky just went whoosh. He was just 1:29:51.360 --> 1:29:57.040 a load, big load, big fal He was Derrick Henry 1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:02.160 for that time, and a load. He broke that big 1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:05.559 run versus Miami and the I think it was in 1:30:05.600 --> 1:30:11.040 the Super Bowl of forty plus yard fourth down or 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:13.400 a third down and short. We think it was a 1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:17.320 fourth down run. Uh and and broke a huge run. 1:30:17.800 --> 1:30:19.600 So for a guy that big to be able to 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:22.160 turn the Jets on going down the field, he was 1:30:22.200 --> 1:30:23.360 a load jack. 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:25.160 Let's get into the Raiders team and we move on 1:30:25.200 --> 1:30:27.599 to the Raiders. I'd love to hear why the Hogs 1:30:27.600 --> 1:30:29.160 are so tough to play against. 1:30:30.760 --> 1:30:35.960 Their physicality, their commitment to They ran four plays, and 1:30:36.240 --> 1:30:39.439 they ran them and and and as I mentioned before, 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:43.360 they challenged you to not just play it ten times, 1:30:43.360 --> 1:30:45.439 you had to play it twenty times, twenty five times. 1:30:45.479 --> 1:30:49.760 And you know, invariably everyone wants to rush the quarterback. 1:30:49.840 --> 1:30:53.200 And can you be committed enough to say, we're gonna 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:56.599 do this. Yeah, let's do it. I don't care if 1:30:56.640 --> 1:30:58.360 we die here, but we're gonna do it. 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:03.040 Because they had so many counters, they every play had 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:04.920 a play to counter it. So if they played it 1:31:05.000 --> 1:31:08.479 a certain way, all right, they probably had someone watching, 1:31:08.600 --> 1:31:10.840 all right, let's run this play. It's the old wishbone, 1:31:10.920 --> 1:31:13.519 these old, these old offenses where they just hit you 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:15.200 like this way, this way, this way. Then they come 1:31:15.240 --> 1:31:16.599 with here. Then they got the boot here, and then 1:31:16.600 --> 1:31:19.680 they got the you know, it's it's old school football. 1:31:19.880 --> 1:31:24.560 I'm looking at this roster and I go Jim Plunkett, 1:31:24.720 --> 1:31:27.080 guy who goes to New England, number one pick, Heisman 1:31:27.120 --> 1:31:31.600 Trophy winner Stanford, gets malled. I think they might have 1:31:31.640 --> 1:31:35.639 been the Boston Patriots at that point. Yeah, gets malled 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:39.280 and just gets churned out there. You know, an organization 1:31:39.360 --> 1:31:41.760 that mismanaged and didn't put the people around him and 1:31:41.800 --> 1:31:45.280 got beat up. And you know, one of the great 1:31:45.439 --> 1:31:51.360 deep ball throwers of the time and goes to San Francisco, 1:31:51.479 --> 1:31:56.759 same thing, bad experience, gets maulled. Doesn't fit al Davis. 1:31:57.040 --> 1:32:00.719 As I mentioned again, it's you know, it's it's guys 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:05.040 that Lyle Alzado who had been in Denver and Cleveland 1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:07.800 and got to the Super Bowl in Denver and got 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:11.400 blown out. And you know is a guy that is 1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:15.719 thirty three, thirty four years old, who you know would 1:32:15.760 --> 1:32:18.559 give his right arm to win a Super Bowl. You know, 1:32:18.560 --> 1:32:20.080 I'm sure you had guys that come to come to 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:21.759 New England like that. Chris was one of those guys. 1:32:21.840 --> 1:32:24.880 I mean, they come to New England to win, and 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:29.160 he came there to win. You know, Cliff Branch was, 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:32.760 if not the fastest guy on the planet, one of 1:32:32.800 --> 1:32:35.320 the top three four fastest guys on the planet. 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:38.519 Was so fun watching him and Darryl Green play in 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:40.920 this fucking matchup because Darryl Green was like the fastest 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:43.320 guy in the NFL as well. Yeah, like that was 1:32:43.360 --> 1:32:44.360 a fun matchup. 1:32:44.840 --> 1:32:48.640 And Cliff was thirty. I think I don't know what 1:32:48.680 --> 1:32:50.160 he was at the super Bowl. He might have been 1:32:50.200 --> 1:32:50.800 thirty three. 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:53.200 Man young. 1:32:53.439 --> 1:32:57.280 I think as he's thirty five at sixty he could 1:32:57.360 --> 1:33:01.040 run a four to fourth we I mean seriously, I 1:33:01.080 --> 1:33:03.280 lived with a guy named Cedric Hartman who was a 1:33:03.280 --> 1:33:07.040 great pass rusher from San Francisco on they called it, 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:10.479 I forget what they called that, Jimmy Page, you know. 1:33:10.640 --> 1:33:15.600 Cleveland Elam. You know, these guys were really good, and 1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:19.559 Cedric and I lived together my rookie year, and some 1:33:19.600 --> 1:33:23.040 people kind of questioned the wisdom of that, but you know, 1:33:23.160 --> 1:33:26.960 Cedric really was a had a great impact on my 1:33:27.280 --> 1:33:30.280 early part of my career and Cliff would sleep on 1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:32.880 our sofa. You know, it was a different time. 1:33:33.200 --> 1:33:36.400 I mean not really. I mean we I shared a 1:33:36.400 --> 1:33:38.880 house with five guys my first three years in my 1:33:38.960 --> 1:33:40.960 career because you didn't know if you were going to 1:33:41.000 --> 1:33:41.920 make the team every year. 1:33:42.040 --> 1:33:45.360 Yeah, and I'm making my check was one thousand and 1:33:45.400 --> 1:33:46.080 seven dollars. 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:50.240 Now we were making decent money. League minimum was like sixty. 1:33:50.320 --> 1:33:53.000 But I had to used Coop Deville, powder, gray. 1:33:54.520 --> 1:33:59.000 Spoke wheels, v Laura interior and a truly an eight 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:03.000 cassette deck where the cassettes were, you know, that. 1:34:03.120 --> 1:34:06.240 Big a track. 1:34:06.360 --> 1:34:09.760 Yeah, and uh, you know Cedric had a red el 1:34:09.760 --> 1:34:13.040 Dorado and convertible with white interior. 1:34:13.120 --> 1:34:15.520 And we were we were rolling in Oakland. 1:34:16.960 --> 1:34:19.960 Law, best two gab noseguard you could ever play with, 1:34:20.439 --> 1:34:24.040 great townshend. I think Greg is, you know, is to 1:34:24.120 --> 1:34:27.439 me a Hall of Famer Lila al Zato, you know, 1:34:27.520 --> 1:34:32.240 I mean listen, Uh, he can change the attitude of 1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:36.639 a room really quickly. How he was such a violent 1:34:40.280 --> 1:34:44.439 you know, the the needle went into the red and 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:47.080 he was unpredictable from that standpoint, you know, you base 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:49.759 the rest of your day on Hey, good morning, Lyle, 1:34:50.760 --> 1:34:52.160 you know, and the rest of the day was kind 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:52.760 of based on that. 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:55.599 One of the best nicknames I feel like in NFL 1:34:55.680 --> 1:34:58.120 history Three Mile Asle was pretty good. 1:34:58.120 --> 1:35:00.360 Three Mile Ale because it was like three Mile Island 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:03.559 was a nuclear plant that blew up, and you know, 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:05.640 you just never knew when he was gonna blow. 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:10.200 So was he the team asshole? The team asshole? 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:13.880 That was kind of quiet. I'm trying to think, I'm 1:35:13.920 --> 1:35:18.000 looking down the Kenny King was, you know, a great 1:35:18.479 --> 1:35:23.040 back from Oklahoma, uh situational guy, Frank Hawkins, really good 1:35:23.120 --> 1:35:28.840 full back. Cleo Montgomery, tough, tough, tough. He he dropped 1:35:28.840 --> 1:35:32.120 the guy on the plane one time on a guy 1:35:32.200 --> 1:35:35.200 was sitting he didn't he didn't get up and he 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:37.720 and he was one of the quietest guys you could 1:35:37.720 --> 1:35:40.439 ever be around. And this guy just set got in 1:35:40.439 --> 1:35:42.080 his seat when he went to the bathroom and you 1:35:42.120 --> 1:35:45.519 seat your seat on the plane. It's once again, it's 1:35:45.560 --> 1:35:48.920 that it's that last blade of grass. It's the push 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:52.360 at the end of the play. And he asked him 1:35:52.439 --> 1:35:55.240 really quietly, very nice, a couple of times and then 1:35:55.520 --> 1:36:03.960 just boom and that that boy's I close shut on 1:36:04.000 --> 1:36:06.639 that flight. But that's we had a lot of flights 1:36:06.680 --> 1:36:07.000 like that. 1:36:07.000 --> 1:36:08.280 That's a real deal. You can't. 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:11.719 You can't sit in someone's playing Henry Lawrence Killer Lawrence 1:36:11.880 --> 1:36:16.519 Shelby Jordan. Another cast off, Charlie Hannah, you know, John 1:36:16.560 --> 1:36:21.360 Hannah's brother, another kind of castAR. Bruce Davis, huge man, 1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:26.599 you know. Probably I'm not sure if he Mickey Marvin 1:36:26.640 --> 1:36:30.840 one of my favorite guys of all time. Out of 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:33.639 ten I think he went to Tennessee. He was as 1:36:34.040 --> 1:36:37.880 he was as country and southern as you could get. 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:42.679 Don Mostbar, great center out of USC six seven center, 1:36:43.800 --> 1:36:48.439 which is really Steve Silvester, attack of all trades, you know, 1:36:48.840 --> 1:36:51.720 kind of a guy. Smart, smart, smart, notre dame guy. 1:36:53.000 --> 1:36:59.160 Jeff Barnes, great special teams, situational linebacker Ted Hendrix, the 1:36:59.200 --> 1:37:02.599 smartest player ever played with. Could walk in the room 1:37:02.840 --> 1:37:07.320 still snuckered from the night before, and you put the 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:10.160 other teams plays up, and he'd call the plays. He'd 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:12.200 say to me in a game, I line up next 1:37:12.200 --> 1:37:14.200 to Ted and he'd say, here they come. 1:37:14.280 --> 1:37:20.200 How he thirty two build joker? Oh just by formation situation. 1:37:20.520 --> 1:37:21.679 He's just smart, Savannah. 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:23.559 And I'm saying to myself, I go in these meetings 1:37:23.560 --> 1:37:26.280 on Monday as a young player, and I'd say, what 1:37:26.360 --> 1:37:29.519 does he know that? Why does he know it? And 1:37:29.600 --> 1:37:32.439 I don't know it? And I kind of modeled my 1:37:32.640 --> 1:37:38.040 preparation after him. I wanted to know everything I could 1:37:38.200 --> 1:37:44.000 possibly know. Todd Christensen, you know, not a guy go 1:37:44.040 --> 1:37:46.559 to dinner with God, rest his soul, but you know, 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:50.080 really great player, great player. He was a great tight end, 1:37:50.560 --> 1:37:53.559 not a big blocker, but you know, a kind of 1:37:53.600 --> 1:37:58.360 a hybrid guy who ran great routes and had great hands, 1:37:58.439 --> 1:38:01.920 could get separation at the end of the play, which 1:38:02.040 --> 1:38:06.559 was really big touchdown. But as I said, Marcus Allen, 1:38:06.920 --> 1:38:10.160 what about Ray Guy? Ray Guy was great. He'd have 1:38:10.200 --> 1:38:12.639 a dip in his mouth, a cigarette in his hand, 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:15.040 and a beer in the other hand, and you know, 1:38:15.280 --> 1:38:18.200 he was our He could play backup quarterback, he'd do 1:38:18.280 --> 1:38:22.160 scout team quarterback occasionally. He was a really great athlete. 1:38:22.600 --> 1:38:24.720 The only game I found that he didn't want to 1:38:24.720 --> 1:38:27.960 play was when the Bears, the eighty five Bears, we 1:38:28.120 --> 1:38:29.639 played them up there, and it was kind of a 1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:31.439 it was a carnage game, you know, it was just 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:34.960 a physical game, and we were physical and we probably 1:38:34.960 --> 1:38:38.240 were the best matchup for them physically. But you know 1:38:39.120 --> 1:38:44.040 when you think about talent in their front coupled with 1:38:45.120 --> 1:38:47.519 a scheme that no one knew how to block. Yeah, 1:38:47.600 --> 1:38:50.439 the forty six and Buddy Ryan and you know the 1:38:50.479 --> 1:38:53.320 great players they had, Hampton and Dent and you know, 1:38:53.400 --> 1:38:57.000 the whole, the whole group it was. And they went 1:38:57.080 --> 1:39:01.439 through our two starting quarterbacks, and someone said, you know, 1:39:01.560 --> 1:39:03.880 Ray was supposed to go in, but Marcus ended up 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:06.720 was going to be our you know. And and and 1:39:06.800 --> 1:39:10.479 I think our guy, our our backup quarterback, Dave hum 1:39:10.479 --> 1:39:15.400 who's since passed away. Uh, I think he somehow Mark 1:39:15.439 --> 1:39:18.800 Wilson came back in. He got knocked out, Jim got 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:21.519 knocked out. It was one of those deals where you know, 1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:25.120 they were just knocking quarterbacks out, and you know, we 1:39:25.120 --> 1:39:26.920 we ended up having to kind of get through that 1:39:27.000 --> 1:39:27.760 game physically. 1:39:28.479 --> 1:39:31.600 Was Al Davis always was He always around? Was he 1:39:31.640 --> 1:39:33.920 in the building every day, on the field every day. 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:37.360 He had a cologne that you could smell him before 1:39:37.439 --> 1:39:39.639 you could see him when we were on the far 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:42.040 end of the field. And I knew when he was 1:39:42.040 --> 1:39:44.040 out there because you could what kind of colone. It 1:39:44.120 --> 1:39:46.680 was his own personal cologne. It was. 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:48.760 It was the Al Davis colone. I don't know what 1:39:48.840 --> 1:39:50.920 it was, but I've never strong. 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:54.200 Yeah, well, did it smell masculine he walked out of 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:54.639 the building. 1:39:54.720 --> 1:39:57.559 I mean it smelled like it's Pavlov's dog. I mean 1:39:58.360 --> 1:40:01.880 not just for me, but for the coaches and everyone involved. 1:40:02.560 --> 1:40:04.840 You know, they knew and they were all puckered up 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:07.639 when you know, Al came out and. 1:40:07.600 --> 1:40:09.800 He knew football. He was coach. 1:40:10.560 --> 1:40:14.000 He coached the Raiders to the single greatest turnaround early 1:40:14.040 --> 1:40:17.200 on in the organization. The organization was formed the same 1:40:17.280 --> 1:40:18.759 year I was born, nineteen sixty. 1:40:18.880 --> 1:40:19.680 Yeah, and he. 1:40:19.760 --> 1:40:23.639 Ended up being the coach early on there and turned 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:26.240 the team around and ended up becoming the owner and 1:40:27.360 --> 1:40:30.439 you know, one of the great historic owners of without 1:40:30.479 --> 1:40:30.840 a doubt. 1:40:30.880 --> 1:40:35.519 Yeah, yeah, I've heard stories like Al Davis calling in 1:40:35.560 --> 1:40:37.760 the sideline saying, hey, let's throw a deep ball. 1:40:38.479 --> 1:40:40.240 I don't know about that. But if I came out 1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:42.320 of the game. I never came out of the game. Yeah, 1:40:42.520 --> 1:40:44.400 we didn't. We didn't rotate in those days, and I 1:40:44.439 --> 1:40:49.240 in particular didn't rotate. If I came out for one play. 1:40:49.280 --> 1:40:53.320 There was a red phone by the gatorade thing, and 1:40:53.360 --> 1:40:56.680 that was Al's phone. Yeah, that phone rang. What the 1:40:56.800 --> 1:41:00.200 fuck is he doing out of the game? You know, well, 1:41:00.240 --> 1:41:04.080 we're shooting him up. We needed a play. 1:41:04.720 --> 1:41:09.120 Well, what's the wildest like Al Davis funny Like he 1:41:09.200 --> 1:41:12.479 seems like he just has all these sayings. What was 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:15.160 like one of his one like a time where you're like, man, 1:41:15.200 --> 1:41:17.000 he's that's Al Davis right there. 1:41:17.840 --> 1:41:20.040 You know he wasn't He didn't say a lot. And 1:41:20.960 --> 1:41:23.479 you know there were I think we were in we 1:41:23.479 --> 1:41:26.439 were in constant you know, there was a constant war 1:41:26.520 --> 1:41:29.400 between the league and Yeah and the Raiders and al 1:41:29.479 --> 1:41:33.000 and you know the we we were a team that 1:41:33.560 --> 1:41:36.839 moved to Los Angeles but practiced in Oakland. 1:41:37.720 --> 1:41:40.559 So every game was a road game. Think about that. 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:41.240 It's crazy. 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:43.240 Every game was a road game. I'm living in the 1:41:43.280 --> 1:41:47.440 Oakland Airport Hilton with Lyle Alzado in a in a 1:41:47.479 --> 1:41:51.559 single room with two queen beds. I'm living with him 1:41:51.880 --> 1:41:56.240 and Marcus was across the hall with trying to think 1:41:56.280 --> 1:42:00.240 of the linebacker's name. Golly, I forget it now. But 1:42:00.760 --> 1:42:03.200 I'd get a roll away some nights because Lyle would 1:42:03.240 --> 1:42:06.320 shut the TV and the lights off at nine ten 1:42:06.360 --> 1:42:08.639 o'clock after he had chocolate cake and a glass of milk. 1:42:09.320 --> 1:42:11.400 And it wasn't like, hey, are you watching that? You know, 1:42:11.439 --> 1:42:15.439 it was like, I'm twenty two years old, he's a 1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:19.120 grown man. And I'd go over and sleep in a 1:42:19.240 --> 1:42:24.880 cot and Marcus's room And so every week was a 1:42:24.960 --> 1:42:29.200 road game. And my wife, who was, you know, kind 1:42:29.240 --> 1:42:32.360 of making the transition to California. She was going to 1:42:32.360 --> 1:42:35.640 go to law school, and she kind of had to 1:42:35.640 --> 1:42:40.760 delay her entry into USC law. She was going to 1:42:40.800 --> 1:42:43.240 go to northern California, but then you know, we're going 1:42:43.280 --> 1:42:44.960 to move down to La so there's no sense in 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:45.439 doing that. 1:42:45.680 --> 1:42:46.439 So she had to. 1:42:46.400 --> 1:42:49.760 Take a year off. So that was a challenge. And and 1:42:49.880 --> 1:42:52.120 Marcus and I caught a lot of air col flights. 1:42:52.160 --> 1:42:55.040 It was it's a now defunct airline. 1:42:56.240 --> 1:42:56.400 You know. 1:42:56.479 --> 1:42:59.639 We'd catch the last flight out and you know, on 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:02.360 on myday morning and try to get up there for 1:43:02.439 --> 1:43:05.320 the meeting and all that. And somehow we did, did. 1:43:05.160 --> 1:43:07.160 You guys same day travel or a day before? 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:10.160 We traveled to games on Saturday Saturday, but if you know, 1:43:10.320 --> 1:43:13.440 we'd play on Saturday, but we'd stay down there, Yeah, 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:16.679 and I'd stay down there with you know, Diane, because 1:43:16.720 --> 1:43:21.920 she started school. Yeah, and we end up going back 1:43:23.080 --> 1:43:24.000 Monday morning. 1:43:24.439 --> 1:43:28.400 Yeah, yeah, Jackie, let's jump into the game in the 1:43:28.479 --> 1:43:30.240 lead up, with a little lead up here to this game. 1:43:30.479 --> 1:43:32.080 This was a rematch. We talked about it a little 1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:35.280 bit earlier. Correction the score thirty seven thirty five back 1:43:35.320 --> 1:43:38.400 at RFK Stadium. The Skins got him in that one. 1:43:38.680 --> 1:43:41.959 How he had six five SATs jesus seven total tackles. 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:45.280 Both feels good when you have a good game statistically 1:43:45.280 --> 1:43:47.920 and you lose, doesn't He'd like, it's like it we're 1:43:48.000 --> 1:43:50.400 not worth it didn't happen. I hated that. 1:43:50.439 --> 1:43:53.200 These were the top teams in each NFC and AFC, 1:43:53.800 --> 1:43:57.720 and Washington beat the Rams fifty one to seven, rolled them, 1:43:57.960 --> 1:44:01.120 beat the Niners twenty four to twenty one, beat Terry 1:44:01.520 --> 1:44:03.800 in the Steelers thirty eight ten the division round, and 1:44:03.840 --> 1:44:08.160 then got some revenge on Seattle in the NFC Championship. 1:44:08.240 --> 1:44:10.560 Seattle had beaten US twice. Playing a kind of it. 1:44:10.680 --> 1:44:13.080 I think we were just we were a funny team. 1:44:13.160 --> 1:44:15.280 We were kind of we could get bored. 1:44:15.960 --> 1:44:19.120 And like the Ravens. Yeah, you know the Ravens. I 1:44:19.200 --> 1:44:21.360 feel like the Ravens get bored with it. It's unexplainable. 1:44:21.360 --> 1:44:24.200 And Chuck Knox had this whole you know, we're gonna 1:44:24.280 --> 1:44:27.439 run it and it's not a it's not an at 1:44:27.560 --> 1:44:29.760 you you don't feel like, you know what it is 1:44:29.800 --> 1:44:36.560 like Hagler versus I'm trying to figure Sugar Ray Leonard. Yeah, 1:44:36.600 --> 1:44:39.960 where wait a second, I've been through twelve rounds and 1:44:40.000 --> 1:44:41.040 I don't feel like I've been hit. 1:44:41.160 --> 1:44:41.559 Yeah. 1:44:41.880 --> 1:44:44.240 You know, they had a running style. It was like 1:44:44.280 --> 1:44:49.479 a zone kind of style that negated our physicality because 1:44:50.160 --> 1:44:52.479 you know, you just had to kind of get away, 1:44:52.840 --> 1:44:57.200 get in the way and float sideways versus b vertical. 1:44:57.840 --> 1:45:02.400 And uh, we were one hundred plus thousand people at 1:45:02.400 --> 1:45:07.479 the coliseum that game. Wow, the Seattle game, and they've 1:45:07.479 --> 1:45:10.559 beaten us twice during the season, and we mauled them. 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:14.040 We just mauled them. And I knew then, you know, 1:45:14.800 --> 1:45:17.760 And the week of the game, we go down there, 1:45:17.760 --> 1:45:21.360 Matt Millan gets a fight and practice. I just there 1:45:21.439 --> 1:45:24.920 was an edge to the group by the time we 1:45:24.960 --> 1:45:27.960 got there. And you know, because we had played the 1:45:28.000 --> 1:45:30.719 team earlier in the year, like Seattle, we had played 1:45:30.920 --> 1:45:34.840 Washington earlier in the year, and you know, it was 1:45:35.360 --> 1:45:36.120 that was that. 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:38.200 Did you guys go down? When did you guys go 1:45:38.280 --> 1:45:40.400 down to the super Bowl. How big was the super 1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:42.160 Bowl in nineteen eighty three at this point, was it 1:45:42.240 --> 1:45:45.520 still fucking like massive? To put it in perspective. 1:45:45.600 --> 1:45:51.040 Lyle and I, Lyle and I every game we ever 1:45:51.080 --> 1:45:54.639 played together. Right after team meal, which was eight am, 1:45:54.800 --> 1:45:57.840 you go to team meal, you know, before the meal, 1:45:57.920 --> 1:46:00.400 you go to chapel and you know, you do all 1:46:00.400 --> 1:46:03.800 that and uh, you they go through special teams and 1:46:03.880 --> 1:46:06.640 you know R one or two, you know, you the 1:46:06.680 --> 1:46:10.680 personnel kind of thing and uh and then Lyle and 1:46:10.720 --> 1:46:11.960 I would get in the cabin. We go to the 1:46:12.000 --> 1:46:17.719 stadium every game. No bus, we never won the bus. 1:46:18.000 --> 1:46:20.000 We like to get there. I like to get there early. Yeah, 1:46:20.240 --> 1:46:22.479 I like to get there early. I get my I 1:46:22.520 --> 1:46:25.200 get my shorts on, I get my you know thing on, 1:46:25.400 --> 1:46:30.240 and I'd I'd go out and I'd run some forties 1:46:30.439 --> 1:46:33.400 just to kind of get loose and stretch and come 1:46:33.439 --> 1:46:37.160 back in and I'd go over my my formation sheets. 1:46:37.600 --> 1:46:41.559 Lyle would get fully dressed except for the pads, lie 1:46:41.600 --> 1:46:44.519 down on the floor and go to sleep. And it 1:46:44.560 --> 1:46:47.719 was the it really it said a lot about how 1:46:47.760 --> 1:46:50.599 different we were. And he'd say to me, Hey, what's 1:46:50.600 --> 1:46:55.519 that one formation that we can't figure out, I said, Dot, 1:46:55.800 --> 1:46:58.040 you know, like he didn't know formations, he didn't know 1:46:58.439 --> 1:47:01.920 he just played. Yeah, and that was a different between 1:47:01.920 --> 1:47:06.360 the two of us. But we we took a cab 1:47:06.439 --> 1:47:11.240 every game and the Super Bowl is no different. So 1:47:11.680 --> 1:47:14.440 we go through pregame meal and you think about nowadays, 1:47:15.040 --> 1:47:18.320 you know, and particularly after nine to eleven, that's that's 1:47:18.320 --> 1:47:21.080 when it all really really changed. Helicopters and you know, 1:47:21.560 --> 1:47:26.120 concrete pillars a block around the stadium. You can't get 1:47:26.120 --> 1:47:29.479 anywhere near the stadium. So we get in a cab. 1:47:29.520 --> 1:47:33.599 We're driving to the stadium and I think the guy 1:47:33.760 --> 1:47:36.720 spoke broken English who was in the cab driving us, 1:47:37.400 --> 1:47:42.719 and uh, we get stuck in traffic, uh, just short 1:47:42.720 --> 1:47:46.639 of a mile from the stadium, and we're not we're 1:47:46.680 --> 1:47:49.960 not getting there, and Lyle's trying to get the guy 1:47:50.000 --> 1:47:51.800 to go up on the curb and that needles and 1:47:51.960 --> 1:47:55.600 red you know, and I'm like, you know, let's so 1:47:55.680 --> 1:47:58.679 we finally we get out of the cab and we're 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:02.439 walking through the haill Gators three quarters of a mile 1:48:03.200 --> 1:48:06.680 through the stadium, through the parking lot with Lyle Alzado 1:48:07.200 --> 1:48:11.320 in a froth. So you know, that tells you how 1:48:11.400 --> 1:48:16.679 different it is now versus Did everyone know that you guys? Yeah, 1:48:16.720 --> 1:48:19.200 I mean Lyle, you guess you're huge. Wile at one 1:48:19.240 --> 1:48:22.400 point sparred Muhammad Ali. I mean you know, I mean, 1:48:22.439 --> 1:48:24.320 and if you're a Washington fan, you know why I am. 1:48:24.360 --> 1:48:26.120 And you know who he is. And you know if 1:48:26.160 --> 1:48:27.599 you're a Raider fan, you know why I am. 1:48:27.600 --> 1:48:28.240 He is. 1:48:28.360 --> 1:48:31.200 So it's it's one of the two in the stadium 1:48:31.240 --> 1:48:38.799 parking lot. And to see his face as the clock 1:48:39.160 --> 1:48:44.360 was ticking down, he's here's this card carrying bad man. 1:48:45.600 --> 1:48:48.080 You know you got to kill him kind of guy, 1:48:49.920 --> 1:48:52.479 and tears are just running down his face. I mean, 1:48:53.000 --> 1:48:57.599 the journey he had going from Denver to Cleveland over 1:48:57.680 --> 1:49:01.599 thirteen years. I think it was twelve years, thirteen years 1:49:01.640 --> 1:49:06.320 before he got to us, and UH for him to finally, 1:49:07.200 --> 1:49:11.439 you know, make it. And I remember Marcus, ironically enough, 1:49:13.360 --> 1:49:17.840 on the uh the counter ironically enough, the big run 1:49:18.439 --> 1:49:22.439 was off a blown counterplay. It was a counter sixty 1:49:22.600 --> 1:49:26.120 seven and Mark it got stuffed at the point of attack. 1:49:26.720 --> 1:49:33.000 Marcus Reset comes back and he's blowing everyone away, and 1:49:33.080 --> 1:49:37.519 you see this bullet come from behind him. If you 1:49:37.520 --> 1:49:43.360 look at the film, it's Cliff Branch running running close 1:49:43.400 --> 1:49:46.559 to Bim He you know, the gap between it was 1:49:46.600 --> 1:49:50.320 like it was like the kid from the Seahawks last 1:49:50.320 --> 1:49:51.080 week who picked. 1:49:50.880 --> 1:49:53.519 The ball off one ninety two yards, the big boy. Yeah. 1:49:54.200 --> 1:49:56.519 You could see the wide receivers all kind of they're 1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:57.479 gearing it down, but. 1:49:57.479 --> 1:50:04.640 It's like a it's like a ah, a group of escorts. 1:50:04.720 --> 1:50:08.599 Yeah, and that's what Cliff was on Marcus's run. Now 1:50:08.880 --> 1:50:10.040 he ends up winning the m v P. 1:50:10.400 --> 1:50:16.680 Lyle boxed, Uh he did. Ah, what was supposed to 1:50:16.720 --> 1:50:21.080 be a charity. It was kind of a not a 1:50:21.880 --> 1:50:25.600 real exhibition exhibition, but lot to Lyle, it was a 1:50:25.600 --> 1:50:28.200 little more than that. Did he train? Oh, I'm sure 1:50:28.200 --> 1:50:31.000 he did. How did you How did he look? Oh? 1:50:31.280 --> 1:50:35.559 Do this was before me so I didn't really I've 1:50:35.600 --> 1:50:39.760 seen footage of it. But knowing Lyle, you know, he 1:50:39.880 --> 1:50:42.320 wanted to he wanted to land something. 1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:45.160 It was at Milehett Stadium is. 1:50:45.080 --> 1:50:50.960 At stadiumle a mile. Yeah. Now you you said when 1:50:51.000 --> 1:50:53.360 you guys were coming over there was a fight. You 1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:57.280 knew the team was ready. Yeah, you guys start off 1:50:57.320 --> 1:51:01.600 with the block punt touchdown? Yeah, is that when you 1:51:01.720 --> 1:51:03.880 kind of was that right there? When you kind of 1:51:03.960 --> 1:51:05.840 knew it was gonna be one of those days, or no, 1:51:05.920 --> 1:51:06.320 I didn't. 1:51:06.360 --> 1:51:10.440 I I I. I kind of took it as. 1:51:11.720 --> 1:51:12.080 Fine. 1:51:12.479 --> 1:51:18.160 But I compartmentalized things and my job was my job, 1:51:18.560 --> 1:51:22.080 and I'm doing my job. And you know they weren't 1:51:22.120 --> 1:51:25.280 going to you know, five sacks wasn't going to happen. 1:51:25.880 --> 1:51:30.720 You know they're there, They made their adjustments and ran 1:51:30.760 --> 1:51:32.960 the plays they wanted to run, and you know, you're 1:51:33.240 --> 1:51:36.679 you take care of that. Got some pressures, but you 1:51:36.680 --> 1:51:38.560 you don't. You're not going to put up big numbers 1:51:39.360 --> 1:51:41.479 versus this team where they don't want you to. And 1:51:41.520 --> 1:51:44.400 they say, you stuck up on us earlier in the year. 1:51:44.720 --> 1:51:48.120 You know, now we're going to take care of it. 1:51:48.200 --> 1:51:49.599 No surprise now. Yeah. 1:51:49.640 --> 1:51:51.960 So it's Marcus the one hundred and ninety one yards 1:51:52.000 --> 1:51:56.040 two tds Cliff Branch, like I said, Jim Plunkett, one 1:51:56.040 --> 1:52:00.439 of the great deep ball throwers. Just a beauty, full, 1:52:00.640 --> 1:52:04.880 tight spiral, great great deep ball thrower. And Cliff was 1:52:04.920 --> 1:52:07.719 the recipient of that on that day too. 1:52:08.120 --> 1:52:12.040 So you're a compartmentalizer, you guys. You guys go into 1:52:12.040 --> 1:52:14.559 halftime twenty one to three, there was the big play, 1:52:14.680 --> 1:52:16.519 So you already had a block punt for a touchdown. 1:52:16.560 --> 1:52:20.240 Then they tried to do that screen thing. Squire, Jack Squire, 1:52:20.479 --> 1:52:23.839 We substitute Matt Millen for a Nick Squier. 1:52:23.920 --> 1:52:27.160 O ye, and Jack Squier's got one job ghost whatever 1:52:27.160 --> 1:52:30.440 you want to call it, Joe Washington. 1:52:30.160 --> 1:52:32.280 And you guys pick it off and it's we ran 1:52:32.320 --> 1:52:35.840 a jet ripped blue slash, yeah, one of two maybe. 1:52:37.040 --> 1:52:40.960 Blitz as we ran icelant Ted goes inside. We bring 1:52:41.000 --> 1:52:44.519 this off strong safety off the corner. Joe Thaisman's pressured, 1:52:44.520 --> 1:52:47.600 he's drifting back and has to throw the ball on 1:52:47.680 --> 1:52:50.760 a kind of a more of a lob. And Jack 1:52:50.800 --> 1:52:53.840 Squier does his job and he's got a touchdown and 1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:58.639 it's a kind of a career defining play. He ended 1:52:58.680 --> 1:53:04.800 up get cracked by a wide receiver from Miami and 1:53:04.920 --> 1:53:08.559 at that point, whatever it was in their offense, had 1:53:08.560 --> 1:53:11.919 this big wide receiver came in and when I say cracked, 1:53:12.479 --> 1:53:16.519 you know backers, he cracked me. He just blew his 1:53:16.640 --> 1:53:19.559 job and wired his jaws shut and he was never 1:53:19.600 --> 1:53:19.960 the same. 1:53:20.080 --> 1:53:24.840 Oh oh yeah, So how was halftime? 1:53:25.120 --> 1:53:28.479 Were you guys up or half times? Are like even 1:53:28.760 --> 1:53:29.679 at a Super Bowl? 1:53:30.120 --> 1:53:31.360 Were they still long then? Too? 1:53:31.560 --> 1:53:33.840 They was along, but not as long as No it's 1:53:34.520 --> 1:53:38.439 a major production, you know now. To me, half time 1:53:38.640 --> 1:53:41.799 was nothing more than Okay, let's get. 1:53:41.640 --> 1:53:43.639 This over with. Let's let's get back out. 1:53:44.240 --> 1:53:46.519 You know, I'm in the middle of a thing here. 1:53:46.600 --> 1:53:48.720 Why do I need to come in here? You know, 1:53:49.400 --> 1:53:51.080 I'd rather just go play. 1:53:50.920 --> 1:53:54.400 Without a doubt. We used to use halftime for the adjustments. 1:53:54.920 --> 1:53:55.880 That was like a big thing. 1:53:56.600 --> 1:53:59.719 We were simple. We were the simplest defense you could run. Yeah, 1:53:59.840 --> 1:54:02.840 I mean we we were who we were, and we 1:54:02.840 --> 1:54:06.120 were big and physical, and we had two corners that 1:54:06.200 --> 1:54:08.439 were going to lock you down, going to lock you down. 1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:11.400 And they and that's a big story in the game 1:54:12.120 --> 1:54:17.400 is their ability to lock down the lock down their receivers. 1:54:17.600 --> 1:54:18.400 That was everything. 1:54:18.640 --> 1:54:21.120 Yeah, because in safeties could get down hill On Riggins 1:54:21.520 --> 1:54:25.479 linebacker like didn't have to just one on one lock 1:54:25.560 --> 1:54:26.719 up monk in Charlie Brown. 1:54:26.800 --> 1:54:29.479 It's a numbers game. You know, when you're running cover one, 1:54:29.680 --> 1:54:32.480 you can you could do some things with the safety 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:33.560 you can. 1:54:33.880 --> 1:54:36.440 If you can run cover one, if you got guys 1:54:36.440 --> 1:54:38.520 that can cover, it makes the game. 1:54:38.640 --> 1:54:40.840 I mean, that's that makes you would say. I told him, 1:54:40.880 --> 1:54:43.160 I said, you know, Lester had a he stuttered a bit. 1:54:44.080 --> 1:54:47.520 You know, so when you're when you got a wide 1:54:47.520 --> 1:54:51.120 receiver coming in a crack or a receiver coming from 1:54:51.120 --> 1:54:53.240 the outside the crack, you want you want them to 1:54:53.320 --> 1:54:57.120 yell crack. Yeah, and see was a hard letter I 1:54:57.120 --> 1:55:02.360 think to start with. And he said, and I you know, 1:55:02.440 --> 1:55:08.200 he apologized eight three seven five. Sorry, So was it 1:55:08.240 --> 1:55:11.600 in this game? No, no, but it was just funny stutter. 1:55:11.840 --> 1:55:14.080 Leicester was the best. He should be a Hall of Famer. 1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:17.600 I you know, he's it's there's some kind of contention 1:55:17.800 --> 1:55:22.040 there with the Senior Committee now, I think, but hopefully 1:55:22.480 --> 1:55:26.760 at some point he gets in. Yeah, he's definitely I wanted, 1:55:27.760 --> 1:55:31.160 you know, listen, cliff Branch should have been in the 1:55:31.160 --> 1:55:35.960 Hall of Fame. Yeah, And it broke my heart that, 1:55:36.240 --> 1:55:38.440 you know, we worked hard to try to you know, 1:55:38.880 --> 1:55:42.120 sway voters to you know, looking at him. But you know, 1:55:42.200 --> 1:55:46.160 I think the Raiders aren't necessarily a popular team with voters, 1:55:46.160 --> 1:55:48.600 and you know, maybe there's in their opinion, there's too 1:55:48.640 --> 1:55:51.000 many guys from the Raiders in the Hall of Fame 1:55:51.960 --> 1:55:57.960 for whatever reason, you know. And Clifford passed away, you know, 1:55:58.240 --> 1:56:02.320 just before I ended up man, and I was so 1:56:02.480 --> 1:56:04.800 disappointed that he didn't have the. 1:56:05.440 --> 1:56:10.040 That's that's sad. Yeah, but you know, I don't know 1:56:10.040 --> 1:56:11.360 the politics all that stuff. 1:56:11.560 --> 1:56:15.080 Yeah, it's listen, it's subjective like anything else. You know, 1:56:16.160 --> 1:56:17.920 when did you know this was in the bag. 1:56:19.760 --> 1:56:22.640 This game? Because I mean, you guys were blowing them out. 1:56:23.400 --> 1:56:25.800 I mean, I'm not sure I allowed myself to. I 1:56:25.880 --> 1:56:28.000 was the same way. I was the same exactly way. 1:56:28.120 --> 1:56:30.160 I don't know that I lobed myself necessarily to do 1:56:30.280 --> 1:56:36.000 that when we're kind of running a clock out, you know, yeah, 1:56:36.080 --> 1:56:39.360 I mean you know you see Lyle on sidelines crying, 1:56:39.400 --> 1:56:42.480 you know, it's kind of yeah, it's it's there. Tom 1:56:42.520 --> 1:56:46.360 Floores was, you know, the perfect coach for a team 1:56:46.520 --> 1:56:49.680 like this. He was a man of few words, and 1:56:49.840 --> 1:56:52.800 you know when he did speak, it was, you know, 1:56:53.040 --> 1:56:57.880 it was, you know, something of significance. And you know, 1:56:57.920 --> 1:57:00.880 you've got to manage a group like this. Yeah, you know, 1:57:01.080 --> 1:57:05.440 a locker room like this, which is challenging locker room. 1:57:06.120 --> 1:57:10.160 Yeah, but you guys had cornerstone players like yourself and like, yeah, 1:57:10.160 --> 1:57:12.120 you guys had the Raiders shit going, but there was 1:57:12.160 --> 1:57:15.160 still yeah, a group of guys that I mean, you 1:57:15.200 --> 1:57:17.040 guys won a few Super Bowls. 1:57:17.040 --> 1:57:23.400 Well, Marcus comes out of college and you know, he's 1:57:23.560 --> 1:57:27.640 just the dominant, you know player. He can he could run, 1:57:28.440 --> 1:57:32.480 he could throw the ball. He played quarterback in high school. Yeah, 1:57:32.520 --> 1:57:34.360 and a lot of people don't realize that he made 1:57:34.440 --> 1:57:38.160 some you know, some good throws. And the one thing 1:57:38.200 --> 1:57:41.440 he was really good at and it's something that people 1:57:41.520 --> 1:57:45.120 don't factor in. Two things. One is as a chip blocker. 1:57:46.840 --> 1:57:51.400 I saw him butcher some defensive ends. Yeah, and if 1:57:51.400 --> 1:57:53.040 he had to pick up a blitzer, he'd give you 1:57:53.080 --> 1:57:56.120 that kind of he'd give you that kind of headfake 1:57:56.200 --> 1:57:58.400 like he was going to go low on you and 1:57:58.440 --> 1:58:00.840 you go like this and get right out of the chick, 1:58:00.920 --> 1:58:06.800 get right under the chin. And he was He was 1:58:06.920 --> 1:58:10.120 just a smart, smart player and wasn't a guy that 1:58:10.240 --> 1:58:13.720 ran a four to three or broke so many big runs. 1:58:15.120 --> 1:58:17.920 Because of his you rarely got There are guys that 1:58:18.040 --> 1:58:19.960 some backs just you just don't get clean hits. 1:58:20.000 --> 1:58:20.320 One. 1:58:20.800 --> 1:58:22.600 You didn't get a lot of clean hits on Marcus. 1:58:22.920 --> 1:58:27.160 And he was so physically tough. He's a tough, tough player. 1:58:27.320 --> 1:58:29.600 You never see him got caught from behind either. Though, 1:58:29.600 --> 1:58:31.960 Like when you watch his old highlights, right He's kind 1:58:31.960 --> 1:58:33.600 of like Jerry Rice in that sense where he didn't 1:58:33.640 --> 1:58:35.920 run a four to three. That's a good analogy. He 1:58:36.000 --> 1:58:39.000 ran fourth, you know whatever he ran. But those guys 1:58:39.000 --> 1:58:40.720 on the field to just have field speed. 1:58:40.880 --> 1:58:43.080 There's a guy in the neighborhood who's running from somebody, 1:58:43.200 --> 1:58:46.000 you know, in my neighborhood. Yeah, they you know, some 1:58:46.040 --> 1:58:49.720 guys were fast and some guys weren't. 1:58:51.040 --> 1:58:54.040 You gotta be a fast guy. Yeah. The Raiders win 1:58:54.760 --> 1:58:58.480 thirty eight to nine. What did that moment feel like? 1:58:59.000 --> 1:59:02.760 As soon as the clock zero? Winning your first Super Bowl? 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:08.240 Like I said, you know, I thought this was easy. Yeah. 1:59:09.160 --> 1:59:12.840 You know, young players early in your career. 1:59:12.640 --> 1:59:16.840 Do this again three four times, and you know, you 1:59:16.960 --> 1:59:21.600 come to realize later on that you know, unlike basketball 1:59:21.720 --> 1:59:25.520 or baseball or hockey, where it's best of three, best 1:59:25.520 --> 1:59:29.840 of five, it's one game. It's single elimination, which, isaak 1:59:29.960 --> 1:59:32.680 is why you know the game and the playoffs are 1:59:32.760 --> 1:59:38.240 so fascinating, and and you know, it's a salary cap 1:59:38.360 --> 1:59:42.520 league and players, you know, the same players who are 1:59:42.520 --> 1:59:45.920 there aren't necessarily going to be there. Uh, And you 1:59:45.920 --> 1:59:48.440 know what, you pull one guy out and another guy out, 1:59:48.480 --> 1:59:52.400 and suddenly the structure kind of you know, teeters a 1:59:52.400 --> 1:59:57.800 little bit, and and I think the ability to understand 1:59:57.800 --> 2:00:02.720 the significance of the moment. This team probably should have 2:00:02.800 --> 2:00:05.400 maybe won in eighty two, should have won maybe in 2:00:05.440 --> 2:00:13.600 eighty five, and we probably weren't. Maybe it's a muffed 2:00:14.440 --> 2:00:19.400 kickoff or a muffed punt or something something that ends 2:00:19.520 --> 2:00:23.520 up knocking you out when in reality the next matchup, 2:00:23.960 --> 2:00:26.760 we were probably better shooted for that matchup than the 2:00:26.800 --> 2:00:29.520 team that was going forward. Yeah, and you know that's 2:00:29.520 --> 2:00:32.600 on you, that's on your your group. And it's unlike 2:00:32.720 --> 2:00:35.480 baseball basketball. You know, it's a couple of players that 2:00:36.280 --> 2:00:37.440 there's a lot going on. 2:00:38.000 --> 2:00:42.600 There's no same team ever, No players and coaches leave 2:00:42.680 --> 2:00:45.440 every single time. Nobody cares about yesterday. No one cares 2:00:45.480 --> 2:00:46.200 about yesterday. 2:00:46.200 --> 2:00:49.320 No, no, And that's why I was always it was 2:00:49.400 --> 2:00:52.240 kind of like what was that movie with Ben a 2:00:52.320 --> 2:00:59.680 Fleckwerk and Morgan Freeman about the nuclear bomb and Russia. 2:01:00.160 --> 2:01:04.680 You know, the fascination that Morgan Freeman had as a 2:01:04.720 --> 2:01:08.840 government agent, some of all fears he had, there was 2:01:08.880 --> 2:01:13.800 that kind of fascination with their nuclear building. I was 2:01:13.960 --> 2:01:19.040 always fascinated by the patriots. Then building was kind of 2:01:19.120 --> 2:01:23.200 like the nuclear building. You didn't get in there. You know, 2:01:23.240 --> 2:01:27.040 there are very few people that were in there that survived. 2:01:27.600 --> 2:01:33.080 You were killed off somehow poisoned car runs you over, whatever, 2:01:33.240 --> 2:01:38.560 heart attack to a perfectly healthy person. So for me too, 2:01:38.840 --> 2:01:42.760 I was always fascinated as a broadcaster by the Patriots 2:01:43.320 --> 2:01:46.840 and your group and Bill and the way you went 2:01:46.880 --> 2:01:50.720 about your business, and you know, was wanted to get 2:01:50.720 --> 2:01:53.520 in the building. And it was like Morgan Freeman getting 2:01:53.560 --> 2:01:57.800 in the nuclear facility with Ben Affleck and seeing it 2:01:57.920 --> 2:02:01.320 finally and then walking out of it and thinking, am 2:02:01.320 --> 2:02:02.240 I gonna get shot here? 2:02:04.000 --> 2:02:08.160 Did Ben Affleck ever asked you to be in the town? No? No, 2:02:09.080 --> 2:02:09.480 I know that. 2:02:09.960 --> 2:02:13.120 You know what they they nailed it. That's it's based 2:02:13.160 --> 2:02:18.880 on a book. I think, Uh Canlanergen book? Let me 2:02:18.920 --> 2:02:22.040 double check Prince of Thieves or something, or maybe I'm 2:02:22.040 --> 2:02:22.680 wrong on that. 2:02:22.840 --> 2:02:25.240 My grandma's from Charlestown and that movie starts with like 2:02:25.640 --> 2:02:29.560 Charlestown has the highest rate of per capita bank robbers, and. 2:02:28.560 --> 2:02:31.720 The robbers in the country more unsolved murders. 2:02:31.560 --> 2:02:33.480 He's like, that's not true, that's not true. 2:02:33.440 --> 2:02:36.240 You know, And and really what you're doing is you're 2:02:37.600 --> 2:02:41.600 in that movie, and and and they they captured maybe 2:02:41.720 --> 2:02:44.200 the the a small element. 2:02:45.000 --> 2:02:45.160 You know. 2:02:45.560 --> 2:02:47.040 We did have a lot of bank robbers, there were 2:02:47.040 --> 2:02:48.480 a lot of stolen cars, There were a lot of 2:02:48.520 --> 2:02:52.040 unsolved murders. But there are a lot of good people there, 2:02:52.200 --> 2:02:55.560 you know, very Irish Catholic neighborhood. 2:02:57.080 --> 2:03:00.680 What was the book, Prince of Thieves four? I was wrong. 2:03:00.720 --> 2:03:01.880 It's a chuck open book. 2:03:01.960 --> 2:03:06.320 It took place in an earlier time, but it was 2:03:06.400 --> 2:03:09.800 set in present day, So in present day, that's not 2:03:09.880 --> 2:03:11.520 what Charlestown was really like. 2:03:11.480 --> 2:03:12.120 At that time. 2:03:12.600 --> 2:03:15.800 It was like that when I was growing up, you know, 2:03:15.880 --> 2:03:20.280 I wasn't a particularly tough kid, you know, so I 2:03:20.920 --> 2:03:21.720 didn't figure it out. 2:03:21.720 --> 2:03:22.680 It's kind of like Kyle. 2:03:23.440 --> 2:03:26.880 I didn't figure it out until I was like fifteen 2:03:27.800 --> 2:03:28.480 or sixteen. 2:03:28.520 --> 2:03:31.640 That wait a second, I don't have to take this shit. Yeah, 2:03:31.960 --> 2:03:32.800 you know, And. 2:03:34.280 --> 2:03:38.480 Going coming from there, you know, is a I think 2:03:38.520 --> 2:03:40.360 it is a good foundation, without a doubt. 2:03:40.400 --> 2:03:42.320 There's some tough, strong people there. 2:03:42.080 --> 2:03:45.320 And you know, you you look back on it, you go, 2:03:46.600 --> 2:03:49.000 you know, could what I've made things different? I don't 2:03:49.000 --> 2:03:53.520 know that I would, you know, And and did anyone 2:03:53.600 --> 2:03:56.600 think when I left there that I was gonna. I 2:03:56.600 --> 2:03:58.760 had never played organized sports. We played in the street, 2:03:59.440 --> 2:04:02.760 you know, we play played football on Rutherford Avenue in 2:04:02.960 --> 2:04:06.440 the the whatever. That building was next to Hood's Milk 2:04:07.000 --> 2:04:10.560 and the field was ten feet wide and you were 2:04:10.640 --> 2:04:13.240 right on the right on the freeway there. And when 2:04:13.280 --> 2:04:16.280 you ran that out route, you were really dedicated, you 2:04:16.320 --> 2:04:19.440 are because if you get pushed out of bounce. 2:04:19.320 --> 2:04:21.680 Could get hit, could get hit, could get hit. 2:04:22.280 --> 2:04:25.240 Yeah, so you know, everything was done on blacktop and 2:04:25.760 --> 2:04:30.160 played baseball. No coaches, no parents, nothing, So you really 2:04:30.640 --> 2:04:35.880 the kind of foundational, kind of structure of sports to 2:04:36.000 --> 2:04:39.800 me was learned there. Now later on I ended up, 2:04:40.000 --> 2:04:43.280 you know, playing football in high school and college and 2:04:43.440 --> 2:04:45.880 you know, box a little bit and you know, did 2:04:45.920 --> 2:04:46.520 that and. 2:04:48.360 --> 2:04:50.040 Just grew. 2:04:50.080 --> 2:04:52.880 And when I got drafted, my wife and I can't 2:04:52.960 --> 2:04:56.720 remember where we were because I you know, people work 2:04:56.800 --> 2:04:59.840 out when you're in college and you're you know you're 2:04:59.840 --> 2:05:05.440 a prospect, particularly if you're a first round, second round prospect, 2:05:05.600 --> 2:05:07.000 you know you'll have a pro day. We didn't have 2:05:07.000 --> 2:05:09.840 a pro day. I worked out thirty four. 2:05:09.720 --> 2:05:12.120 Times in the snow, in the rain. 2:05:12.840 --> 2:05:15.720 I ran a forty on the front lawn of my 2:05:15.920 --> 2:05:18.640 dorm for a guy that was just checking a box 2:05:19.120 --> 2:05:21.520 because you know, most teams were not gonna draft me. 2:05:22.040 --> 2:05:26.440 Al Davis, did you know saw something in me that 2:05:27.840 --> 2:05:30.920 you know that I didn't see in myself? Really tell 2:05:30.960 --> 2:05:32.760 you the truth, Na. 2:05:33.600 --> 2:05:37.400 I didn't. You know. It was like Billanova was perfect 2:05:37.400 --> 2:05:40.840 for me. But that's what made you you that insecurity? Yeah, 2:05:40.920 --> 2:05:43.200 you know, and that's why you prepare. And I see 2:05:43.200 --> 2:05:43.720 it in your eye. 2:05:43.720 --> 2:05:46.680 You never take anything for granted. And people make fun 2:05:46.720 --> 2:05:48.800 of me work because I write, I'm always writing, I'm 2:05:48.800 --> 2:05:52.840 always I'm I'm a I try to do things. I 2:05:52.920 --> 2:05:57.560 try to. There's nothing, there's nothing I leave for chance. 2:05:57.640 --> 2:06:02.040 I control as much much as you can control, the 2:06:02.120 --> 2:06:04.840 rest of it will take care of itself. Yeah, you know, 2:06:06.240 --> 2:06:08.880 give yourself the best possible chance to be successful in 2:06:08.920 --> 2:06:09.560 anything you do. 2:06:09.760 --> 2:06:13.280 You know, and you did. I mean, you've not only 2:06:13.360 --> 2:06:16.960 had an unbelievable football career, you're you've been in my 2:06:17.040 --> 2:06:19.560 house since I was before I can remember on my 2:06:19.640 --> 2:06:23.600 TV watching football thirty one years, a long time. It's 2:06:23.680 --> 2:06:26.760 it's outrageous. I mean, that's that's the crazy thing is 2:06:27.120 --> 2:06:30.520 people probably recognize you now more, way more for what 2:06:30.560 --> 2:06:33.600 you've done off the field. Which is that is the 2:06:33.640 --> 2:06:34.480 coolest thing ever. 2:06:34.640 --> 2:06:37.280 You go into seven eleven and you know, and the 2:06:37.320 --> 2:06:41.880 guy looks at you like you look a lot, like 2:06:41.920 --> 2:06:46.160 HOWI long? I say, yeah, I am get out? What 2:06:46.160 --> 2:06:47.920 are you doing in here? I said, getting some gum? 2:06:50.000 --> 2:06:51.600 You think I got somebody who goes in to get 2:06:51.640 --> 2:06:55.640 the GUMMB. 2:06:53.680 --> 2:06:56.120 Guy them guys, I love seven elevens. You know, it's 2:06:56.240 --> 2:07:01.360 it's most people are really nice. No, people are very. 2:07:01.320 --> 2:07:05.640 Nice, Jackie. What's aftermath of this game? Marcus Allen goes 2:07:05.680 --> 2:07:08.960 on to win Super Bowl MVP. In this one, twenty 2:07:09.040 --> 2:07:12.400 carries one hundred and ninety one yards two TVs. The 2:07:12.480 --> 2:07:15.919 Raiders become the first team to score in all three phases. 2:07:16.240 --> 2:07:21.040 Pretty crazy. Block punt pick six duchouns on offense and 2:07:21.080 --> 2:07:22.720 this in a Super Bowl pretty crazy. 2:07:23.040 --> 2:07:23.160 Uh. 2:07:23.200 --> 2:07:25.880 They become the second team in NFL history with three 2:07:25.920 --> 2:07:28.400 Super Bowls, right there with the Pittsburgh Steelers. 2:07:28.920 --> 2:07:29.040 Uh. 2:07:29.160 --> 2:07:32.400 They would go eleven and five the next season, finishing 2:07:32.440 --> 2:07:35.200 third in the AFC West. Redskins would go eleven and 2:07:35.280 --> 2:07:38.640 five the next season, women in FC East and fall 2:07:38.680 --> 2:07:41.280 to Chicago in the divisional round, but Joe Gibbs would 2:07:41.240 --> 2:07:43.960 going to win two more super Bowls after this, uh 2:07:44.040 --> 2:07:45.320 and this would be the last Super Bowl. 2:07:45.360 --> 2:07:50.000 Good Manders Terry and I just did his last year 2:07:50.000 --> 2:07:52.960 of the year before. We did his huge charity event 2:07:53.080 --> 2:07:56.840 up there, and he's he's he walks that, he talks 2:07:56.880 --> 2:07:58.640 and he's you know, he's the real deal. 2:07:58.720 --> 2:08:00.920 You never heard anyone say anything bad about Joe Gibbs 2:08:01.720 --> 2:08:02.280 was a good. 2:08:02.120 --> 2:08:04.040 Man, you know what I found out. And the last 2:08:04.040 --> 2:08:09.120 time I was there was Doug Williams was they had 2:08:09.160 --> 2:08:14.760 a kind of a verbal agreement. It was it wasn't finalized, 2:08:15.200 --> 2:08:19.120 but Doug Williams was traded to Al Davis and the 2:08:19.200 --> 2:08:24.480 Raiders while I was there, and we end up we 2:08:24.680 --> 2:08:32.200 end up getting h Jay Schrader. Uh So Williams, who 2:08:32.240 --> 2:08:37.720 is the prototypical Raider quarterback throws the nine route, the 2:08:37.920 --> 2:08:43.640 you know, the deep, the deep, strong seam route, big strong, 2:08:43.760 --> 2:08:46.800 athletic cannon for an arm Terry would have been great 2:08:46.800 --> 2:08:50.240 in our system too. And then I see there we 2:08:50.320 --> 2:08:55.040 make the transition to uh Fox and you know, Kenny 2:08:55.040 --> 2:09:00.560 Stabler's you know, he's one of those kind of it's 2:09:01.240 --> 2:09:03.240 he's become like a folklore. 2:09:03.560 --> 2:09:07.640 You know, the stories about him are crazy, Yeah. 2:09:07.520 --> 2:09:09.800 Stories about a lot of people were crazy, and you 2:09:09.840 --> 2:09:11.880 know a lot of them were probably true. 2:09:13.440 --> 2:09:16.480 We'd be we'd be crazy not to ask how we long? 2:09:17.440 --> 2:09:20.440 What does it mean to be a Raider? It's hard 2:09:20.480 --> 2:09:23.160 to kind of sum it up, but it's it's the 2:09:23.160 --> 2:09:25.720 same thing that you probably get from people always asking 2:09:25.720 --> 2:09:28.120 me the Patriot way. Everyone asks you what does it 2:09:28.160 --> 2:09:28.760 mean to be a Raiate? 2:09:28.800 --> 2:09:35.160 It's it's toughness, it's you know, it's when when I 2:09:35.240 --> 2:09:39.080 first got there, it was really interesting because you know 2:09:39.120 --> 2:09:44.640 that guy on the left, Al Davis's is he's an iconic, 2:09:45.480 --> 2:09:48.760 you know, in the history of the NFL, between being 2:09:48.760 --> 2:09:51.880 the commissioner of the AFL and you know, then going 2:09:51.880 --> 2:09:54.160 over to the Raiders and coaching the Raiders and then 2:09:54.560 --> 2:10:00.400 you know, building three championship teams and drafting guys like 2:10:00.440 --> 2:10:02.760 I said, I think our shell's. 2:10:02.400 --> 2:10:02.840 Out of. 2:10:04.880 --> 2:10:11.640 Eastern Maryland Shores. You know, Willie Brown brings in Willie 2:10:11.680 --> 2:10:14.160 Brown and Maryland what is. 2:10:14.160 --> 2:10:18.440 It Maryland State which is now University of Maryland Eastern 2:10:18.480 --> 2:10:19.080 short correct? 2:10:19.200 --> 2:10:22.240 Right? Where did he? How did he? You know? 2:10:23.240 --> 2:10:26.520 There there was a scouting element and nobody in the 2:10:26.520 --> 2:10:30.680 building had a title, So ron Wolf was a GM. 2:10:30.800 --> 2:10:33.560 But you get there and you look around and you say, 2:10:34.120 --> 2:10:35.280 what does greatness look like? 2:10:36.720 --> 2:10:38.040 It's everywhere. 2:10:38.920 --> 2:10:44.080 It's Al Davis, it's Ron Wolf, it's Tom Floory's, it's Archell, 2:10:44.120 --> 2:10:48.320 It's Gene Upshaw, Freddie Blittnakoff is on the staff, Willie 2:10:48.360 --> 2:10:53.480 Brown's on the staff, Cliff branch Ted, Hendrix, Lyle Alzado. 2:10:54.200 --> 2:10:59.920 You know, everywhere you look, you know, there's and guys 2:11:00.160 --> 2:11:05.959 that Jim Otto, you know, it's it's it's the ghosts 2:11:05.960 --> 2:11:10.000 of Christmas Past. You know, it's you walked through the 2:11:10.000 --> 2:11:12.400 Hall of Fame, and you know it's littered with the 2:11:12.400 --> 2:11:19.520 guys I'm talking about. And they were more than happy 2:11:19.560 --> 2:11:23.000 with as long as you were, you fit all the criteria, 2:11:23.040 --> 2:11:26.320 you were tough, you worked hard. You know, they would 2:11:26.360 --> 2:11:29.680 bring you along, you know, and and I, in turn, 2:11:29.920 --> 2:11:34.040 later on brought guys along. And that was part of 2:11:34.080 --> 2:11:39.440 our organizational. What made the organization special was and I 2:11:39.440 --> 2:11:43.040 couldn't imagine playing anywhere else. I couldn't imagine putting on 2:11:43.080 --> 2:11:47.560 any other uniform. But I was always intrigued by you know, 2:11:47.640 --> 2:11:52.040 I'd watch Minnesota, you know, with Doleman and you know, 2:11:53.120 --> 2:11:56.640 you know the groups when when I was playing, Yeah, 2:11:56.720 --> 2:11:59.040 they ran you know, four man front. 2:11:59.080 --> 2:12:00.520 That was the Bears. 2:12:00.560 --> 2:12:03.480 I watched the Bears play in their forty six defense, 2:12:03.520 --> 2:12:05.080 I'd say, what would it be like to play in 2:12:05.120 --> 2:12:08.560 that defense? You know, I'm playing in a two gap sit, 2:12:08.680 --> 2:12:11.440 squat and catch and hope you get the third down. 2:12:12.880 --> 2:12:14.920 But there's no place I'd rather be. 2:12:15.720 --> 2:12:20.120 I feel the same way as a Patriot, though. Sure, Sure, 2:12:20.240 --> 2:12:23.880 that's the cool thing about you know where we're at, 2:12:23.960 --> 2:12:25.720 a lot of the guys played all of them one 2:12:25.880 --> 2:12:29.680 one team. There's not many of those at Fox. 2:12:31.080 --> 2:12:33.600 You know, I've been with two teams for forty four years, 2:12:34.720 --> 2:12:37.480 you know, Fox and the Raiders. And I'm not I. 2:12:37.560 --> 2:12:44.080 And that's me. I'm not you know, I don't change outfits. Well, 2:12:44.640 --> 2:12:47.520 I mean, I'm I I. And then it's funny because 2:12:47.600 --> 2:12:50.240 yesterday I was in al Segundo and our practice facility 2:12:50.320 --> 2:12:52.320 used to be in a middle school in al Gondo. Yeah, 2:12:53.280 --> 2:12:58.920 And I remember driving to work the same route every 2:12:59.120 --> 2:13:04.440 day because if I didn't drive the same route every day, 2:13:04.560 --> 2:13:05.680 something might happen. 2:13:07.040 --> 2:13:08.320 And I don't know whether I'm. 2:13:08.840 --> 2:13:12.880 I'm not superstitious per se, but I was about football. 2:13:13.520 --> 2:13:16.360 I was about football that superstitious You drove the same 2:13:16.400 --> 2:13:18.920 route every day. Yeah, that's what I'm saying back. That's 2:13:18.960 --> 2:13:21.560 pretty sick. That's superstitious totally. 2:13:21.280 --> 2:13:24.040 And you don't realize it at the time. But I 2:13:24.080 --> 2:13:28.000 got dressed a certain way. I got you know, my routine, 2:13:28.680 --> 2:13:32.720 my dinner on Saturday, my everything had to be the 2:13:32.840 --> 2:13:37.760 exact same, you know. And I stood in the same 2:13:37.840 --> 2:13:41.120 place for the national anthem. I you know, there were 2:13:41.240 --> 2:13:44.800 things that I did. I always did my forties, you know, 2:13:45.000 --> 2:13:46.200 before anybody got there. 2:13:46.280 --> 2:13:48.560 And you know, if we cut your if we cut 2:13:48.600 --> 2:13:51.160 your legs off from like your femur, I think that 2:13:51.200 --> 2:13:52.960 would be me because I'm like the same way with 2:13:53.000 --> 2:13:57.320 all that stuff. Yeah, I was the same way with routine, routine, routine, 2:13:57.560 --> 2:13:59.600 And I would always say I wasn't superstitious, but I 2:13:59.600 --> 2:14:02.320 was super issues as fuck. I laid out my my 2:14:02.320 --> 2:14:05.600 my I would lay up my my uniform the same way. 2:14:05.640 --> 2:14:08.360 I would eat the same thing every night because that's 2:14:08.480 --> 2:14:10.440 I did it good once with that, so I thought 2:14:10.440 --> 2:14:11.400 I would always be like that. 2:14:11.720 --> 2:14:15.680 Driving through El Segundo yesterday, uh, you know, doing a 2:14:15.680 --> 2:14:23.000 sketcher spot, it reminded me of that whole thing. And 2:14:23.040 --> 2:14:26.160 I'm not really a I'm not really an LA guy. 2:14:26.840 --> 2:14:29.600 So you know, it wasn't for us, and I wanted 2:14:29.600 --> 2:14:33.880 to raise the boys somewhere else. Virginia was a good 2:14:33.960 --> 2:14:38.760 choice and doing that. But uh, and the the funny 2:14:38.800 --> 2:14:43.360 thing is you winning here is different than winning in 2:14:44.160 --> 2:14:48.000 New England. Oh yeah, because winning here. We were a 2:14:48.040 --> 2:14:52.240 team that came from Oakland. We went to LA. We 2:14:52.280 --> 2:14:56.200 won in our second year here. They never had a championship, 2:14:56.560 --> 2:15:00.720 I never had a Super Bowl champion here. Still have 2:15:00.880 --> 2:15:03.760 an amazing fan base down here. You know a lot 2:15:03.800 --> 2:15:07.360 of people travel to Vegas from LA from Oakland. We're 2:15:07.440 --> 2:15:11.680 kind of the Southwest Raiders, without a doubt. And but 2:15:11.840 --> 2:15:16.040 you win here, if you're the Dodgers or you're the Lakers, 2:15:16.600 --> 2:15:19.960 it's special. But you kind of feel like it's the 2:15:20.080 --> 2:15:23.320 championship that doesn't have a home or like a ship, 2:15:23.400 --> 2:15:27.720 what's what's that? In the Tom Cruise Law Firm movie, 2:15:28.360 --> 2:15:33.600 The Firm, The Firm, he's talking to the two mobster 2:15:33.720 --> 2:15:37.040 guys that the firm represents and he says, I'm a 2:15:37.080 --> 2:15:41.400 lot like a ship that's carrying a cargo that will 2:15:41.480 --> 2:15:48.560 never reach port and that team, there's a void to me. 2:15:49.560 --> 2:15:53.280 You go back to Boston and it's special. 2:15:53.400 --> 2:15:58.480 Yeah, LA really transplant It's tough. It's you're competing with 2:15:58.480 --> 2:15:59.440 so many different things. 2:15:59.720 --> 2:16:03.560 It's the Yellows Island of There are people from Chicago, 2:16:03.640 --> 2:16:06.600 there are people from Detroit, there are people from There's 2:16:06.800 --> 2:16:12.560 more bars here that have that people go to from 2:16:12.600 --> 2:16:15.720 another city to watch a football game on Sunday. 2:16:15.640 --> 2:16:18.800 Sonny Mcleans, Sonny McLean's Boston Bar, Baby Monica. 2:16:19.600 --> 2:16:23.240 That doesn't happen in Cleveland, That doesn't happen in Pittsburgh, 2:16:23.520 --> 2:16:27.080 that doesn't happen in Chicago, that doesn't happen in New England. 2:16:27.320 --> 2:16:28.280 Are you kidding me? 2:16:29.560 --> 2:16:30.400 That is crazy to think. 2:16:30.480 --> 2:16:34.119 Yeah, but yeah. The Raiders, I feel, are different. They're 2:16:34.120 --> 2:16:37.320 not an LA team like you said, They're a South pirateship. 2:16:37.480 --> 2:16:39.280 That's the best way for them to do it, to 2:16:39.360 --> 2:16:42.520 go leave Oakland, win it in here and then go 2:16:42.640 --> 2:16:43.160 back like that. 2:16:44.760 --> 2:16:47.359 And we got to win in Vegas. That's The stadium 2:16:47.440 --> 2:16:53.120 is amazing. It's it's beautiful. It's probably as emblematic of 2:16:53.160 --> 2:16:57.720 any franchise from a stadium standpoint, visual rates, state, visually great. 2:16:57.760 --> 2:17:01.640 It's like it's like the death star Land did in Vegas. 2:17:01.959 --> 2:17:02.760 No, it really is. 2:17:02.840 --> 2:17:06.920 And the practice facility beautiful, amazing, Our practice facility. There 2:17:07.000 --> 2:17:08.920 was always like a hammer and a two by four 2:17:09.440 --> 2:17:11.720 in every meeting room, and they were like those those 2:17:11.800 --> 2:17:14.640 shutters that you know in cheap buildings, where you know 2:17:14.720 --> 2:17:17.800 you can between the linebacker meeting and the defensive line meeting. 2:17:18.040 --> 2:17:19.880 If there was an argument in our room or there 2:17:19.920 --> 2:17:23.080 was a fight breaking out, Matt Miller will be peeking around. 2:17:22.760 --> 2:17:25.600 The divide the room, divide the room. 2:17:25.680 --> 2:17:29.440 So you know, Mark has done a They've gone from 2:17:29.480 --> 2:17:32.880 thirty second, thirty first in revenue to top five, and 2:17:33.600 --> 2:17:35.800 you know, it's great. We just got to get some 2:17:35.920 --> 2:17:40.000 stability and you know, and the quarterback, and that's what 2:17:40.040 --> 2:17:43.600 you need. You know, listen, that's what everyone needs. It's 2:17:44.360 --> 2:17:48.119 it's the hardest position to forecast, going from middle school, 2:17:48.640 --> 2:17:53.000 high school, high school to college, college to pros and 2:17:53.040 --> 2:17:55.120 if you don't go to the right place. And I 2:17:55.160 --> 2:17:57.600 thought Williams is going to a great place in Chicago. 2:17:58.280 --> 2:18:01.400 But the thing I didn't factor in was the coordinator 2:18:01.760 --> 2:18:05.199 and the old line was last year was young as 2:18:05.200 --> 2:18:10.320 sending offensive line. If you're not if you're not putting 2:18:10.360 --> 2:18:15.440 together the proper game plan to give the quarterback the 2:18:15.480 --> 2:18:20.360 young quarterback answers to every situation and meshing the run 2:18:20.440 --> 2:18:23.880 game with the pass game and bootlegs and taking advantage 2:18:23.879 --> 2:18:27.520 of what he does. Well, see Jade and Daniels whose 2:18:27.600 --> 2:18:30.280 coordinator was in the building in Chicago and they never 2:18:30.320 --> 2:18:33.680 even offered him. Now, I love the GM there and 2:18:33.760 --> 2:18:36.840 I love what they've built there from a personnel standpoint, 2:18:37.120 --> 2:18:39.800 but he made a mistake with the offensive coordinator. 2:18:40.560 --> 2:18:44.160 Yeah, I got a couple takes on that. I think 2:18:44.400 --> 2:18:47.240 there's about fourteen million because I like the kid. I 2:18:47.240 --> 2:18:48.920 think the kid's good. I think he's doing good, and 2:18:48.920 --> 2:18:52.279 he's progressed and he's improved, and he's shown probably. 2:18:51.959 --> 2:18:55.199 Drive that drive from the one yard line, a couple 2:18:55.280 --> 2:18:57.560 of them in Detroit. No, the one in Detroit at 2:18:57.560 --> 2:19:00.120 the end of the game, the one yard line and 2:19:00.160 --> 2:19:03.160 you're in you're in position at the very least, we're 2:19:03.200 --> 2:19:08.039 going overtime. How does that not happen? Well, well, you 2:19:08.080 --> 2:19:11.920 see the the autopsy on that is you know there. 2:19:11.959 --> 2:19:13.240 It was multiple causes. 2:19:13.280 --> 2:19:17.960 It was multiple Yeah, man, we got to score the 2:19:18.000 --> 2:19:21.199 game now real quick. We were taken so much time 2:19:21.920 --> 2:19:24.560 from from Howie. We appreciate you. We got to name 2:19:24.600 --> 2:19:27.279 the game out of any of these names, the Silver 2:19:27.320 --> 2:19:30.160 and Black beat Down, the Slaughter of the Hogs, the 2:19:30.200 --> 2:19:34.920 black Hole one. This one's for al the Marcus Allen games. Easy, 2:19:35.520 --> 2:19:37.600 which one is it? It's one of the final two. 2:19:37.959 --> 2:19:41.720 Just win, baby, or just one baby. 2:19:41.800 --> 2:19:44.440 That might be a new T shirt. You and I 2:19:44.480 --> 2:19:46.840 should do that. Don't put that out there publicly. You 2:19:46.879 --> 2:19:47.600 and I will do it. 2:19:47.879 --> 2:19:51.440 Just one Mark, cut the check. Let's go just one baby, baby? 2:19:52.200 --> 2:19:54.920 Score the game? Is this the greatest game of all time? 2:19:55.280 --> 2:20:00.240 Let's score it? Stakes zero to ten? Decimal z okay, 2:20:00.280 --> 2:20:03.240 the stakes of this Super Bowl game? The first? Is 2:20:03.280 --> 2:20:06.160 this the first? No? Is this the first of the Raiders? 2:20:06.360 --> 2:20:06.680 Third? 2:20:06.879 --> 2:20:08.160 Third? Third? 2:20:08.200 --> 2:20:13.119 We'd won an eighty one one? The first wildcard team 2:20:13.640 --> 2:20:16.320 is the wildcard inception to win that game? And that 2:20:16.400 --> 2:20:20.120 team you want to talk about, you know, bag of 2:20:20.200 --> 2:20:22.840 bonds and cast off. They It was amazing. It was 2:20:22.879 --> 2:20:25.400 amazing that they were and then they won to beat 2:20:25.440 --> 2:20:26.480 the Eagles. 2:20:26.000 --> 2:20:28.360 And stake zero to ten. That you got to store 2:20:28.560 --> 2:20:32.400 this game, I would say at that time, because it 2:20:32.480 --> 2:20:36.879 was such a lopsided they were favored I think by nine. 2:20:37.600 --> 2:20:39.320 Yeah, Raiders were big underdogs. 2:20:39.400 --> 2:20:42.080 Yeah, huge underdogs. It was an afterthought that we were. 2:20:42.600 --> 2:20:44.680 We were just you know, we were kind of the 2:20:45.040 --> 2:20:48.400 you know, the guy that gets killed in seene one. Yeah, 2:20:48.680 --> 2:20:52.720 you know, uh and uh and turns out we you know, 2:20:52.840 --> 2:20:54.040 end up being the leading man. 2:20:54.280 --> 2:20:57.400 Yeah. Uh you know. And it's a huge win. It's 2:20:57.440 --> 2:20:58.200 a one. 2:20:58.280 --> 2:21:01.560 It's number three for the team, you know, and three 2:21:01.600 --> 2:21:05.040 super Bowls look a lot better than one super Bowl 2:21:05.480 --> 2:21:06.280 or even two. 2:21:07.040 --> 2:21:11.840 Uh. Star power, Marcus Allen, you had to score it though, 2:21:11.840 --> 2:21:14.039 the stakes of the game, the stakes of the game, 2:21:14.560 --> 2:21:20.039 I'd say probably at that point, probably a nine nine 2:21:20.720 --> 2:21:25.440 I believe nine two. Yeah, I think because of the 2:21:24.800 --> 2:21:30.120 Jack Washington's. Washington was a runaway truck. They set every 2:21:30.120 --> 2:21:32.959 record to this point in the NFL for offense. Yeah, 2:21:33.120 --> 2:21:36.000 I mean, this was this was a big win. Jack nine. 2:21:36.320 --> 2:21:37.080 I had a nine to one. 2:21:37.320 --> 2:21:38.720 Yeah, I mean I'd have gone nine to five, but 2:21:38.760 --> 2:21:41.440 I mean I don't want to be too much of that. Hey, 2:21:41.480 --> 2:21:42.440 I'm glazing. I'm glazing. 2:21:43.000 --> 2:21:45.480 Star Power zero to ten decimals, Okay, a lot of 2:21:45.480 --> 2:21:47.040 stars on this lot of Hall of famers. 2:21:47.160 --> 2:21:52.960 Yeah, Ed Hendrix, Yeah, Al Davis, you know, Gibbs, Gibbs, 2:21:53.760 --> 2:22:00.760 thives men, you know, uh yeah, Riggins, the Hogs, uh, 2:22:00.920 --> 2:22:05.360 you know, our our defense, Ted Hendricks, Lyle Alzado. 2:22:05.879 --> 2:22:08.480 Uh, you know, great great players. 2:22:08.320 --> 2:22:12.120 Markerry, Barry Manielou was saying the national anthem, Barry Manilo stand, 2:22:12.120 --> 2:22:13.720 we take we take that into account as well. 2:22:14.120 --> 2:22:16.840 Yeah, I'm gonna go eight nine. 2:22:16.920 --> 2:22:18.640 Then I'm sorry. 2:22:18.640 --> 2:22:23.640 I'm sorry, mister, but I'm not a Barry guy. 2:22:22.879 --> 2:22:27.440 I mean either, We'll go nine. A lot of Hall 2:22:27.480 --> 2:22:29.000 of famers here, man, there's a lot of this is 2:22:29.040 --> 2:22:30.199 a lot of legacy people. 2:22:30.600 --> 2:22:33.280 I went eight nine on the same ballpark here. 2:22:33.320 --> 2:22:35.440 The gameplay of the game, a little bit of a blowout, 2:22:35.680 --> 2:22:39.039 a little bit of a blow but three scores on all. 2:22:38.840 --> 2:22:42.280 Phases, the best defensive performances in Super Bowl history, best 2:22:42.320 --> 2:22:44.680 defensive in one of them. I think we held what 2:22:44.720 --> 2:22:47.680 it was it eight nine points thirty eight to nine. 2:22:47.800 --> 2:22:50.480 Yeah, Allen almost too hundre yards two touchdowns, I'd say 2:22:50.480 --> 2:22:53.160 at that point it was it was probably a nine. 2:22:54.200 --> 2:23:00.320 I'll go eight seven six seven. What I'm I think 2:23:01.480 --> 2:23:03.720 the blowout. You gotta have gameplays back and. 2:23:03.600 --> 2:23:05.560 Forth, but you know, you have to think about one 2:23:05.760 --> 2:23:09.160 is you know what a complete whipping it was, how 2:23:09.720 --> 2:23:13.440 much we were underdogs by and that we had lost 2:23:13.440 --> 2:23:15.959 to them earlier in the season, and they were a 2:23:16.120 --> 2:23:18.760 dominant team, A dominant team, it's like. 2:23:18.800 --> 2:23:20.920 How we will will you to change your score? 2:23:21.000 --> 2:23:23.400 No, it's like to be fair. It's it's a lot 2:23:23.480 --> 2:23:26.400 like New York, New England, you know. I mean I 2:23:26.520 --> 2:23:30.080 thought they gave you their best game, you know, at 2:23:30.080 --> 2:23:30.960 the end of the season. 2:23:31.240 --> 2:23:34.840 There. I wasn't there for the yeah, the big Boy one. 2:23:34.879 --> 2:23:37.440 I was there for the eleven one. They got us twice. 2:23:37.520 --> 2:23:39.959 There's a lot of parallels between the Broncos and Seahawks 2:23:40.000 --> 2:23:43.560 Super Bowl with the like high flying Peyton Manning Broncos team. 2:23:43.840 --> 2:23:46.040 There was that fumble snap right from the beginning, and 2:23:46.080 --> 2:23:47.279 they just set the stage. 2:23:47.040 --> 2:23:47.800 And it was a blowout. 2:23:48.400 --> 2:23:52.160 Yeah, and they were a heavy defensive team. Yeah. 2:23:52.280 --> 2:23:54.039 Now we got to score the name of the game. 2:23:54.120 --> 2:23:57.520 How we just one? Baby? I think that's a ten. 2:23:58.280 --> 2:24:02.280 That's a that's a ten. Yeah, I mean I haven't 2:24:02.320 --> 2:24:05.440 heard just one baby. That's that's good. 2:24:06.600 --> 2:24:08.280 I scored this before we came up with it. It's 2:24:08.320 --> 2:24:11.160 awesome name. Like, can I change my score? Oh, I'm 2:24:11.200 --> 2:24:11.640 going ten? 2:24:11.760 --> 2:24:14.480 I had no I never even thought of that. I 2:24:14.520 --> 2:24:16.440 moved I moved mine up. I did eight point one. 2:24:17.200 --> 2:24:21.840 What does it go? What is our total or average? Eight? Six? 2:24:21.920 --> 2:24:25.800 One where does it score? And all of our games eighth. 2:24:25.680 --> 2:24:28.280 Overall, just behind the two thousand and four ALCS game 2:24:28.320 --> 2:24:30.480 four Yankees versus Red Sox, and just ahead of the 2:24:30.480 --> 2:24:33.560 twenty fourteen NFC Championship Packers versus Seahawks. 2:24:33.760 --> 2:24:35.400 Ten's whoa whoa? 2:24:35.840 --> 2:24:39.800 Is it? It also factors in series or the Red Sox. 2:24:39.840 --> 2:24:42.240 That was great, That was awesome. That was just that game. 2:24:42.320 --> 2:24:45.520 That was but we talked a lot about the series. 2:24:45.520 --> 2:24:48.160 We talked it was that big pop what what about? 2:24:48.160 --> 2:24:50.880 What about the Miracle on ice? It's fourth overall. 2:24:51.560 --> 2:24:54.440 We had Jim Craigan here. 2:24:53.640 --> 2:24:58.080 Top for Jack Charlestown boy in that game, Jersey guy 2:24:58.200 --> 2:24:59.080 was fighting everybody. 2:24:59.240 --> 2:25:00.000 Did you know him? 2:25:00.440 --> 2:25:04.640 Yes, he's a little older than me. Jack probably didn't 2:25:04.680 --> 2:25:06.520 know I was around. Yeah, I mean but I was 2:25:06.560 --> 2:25:07.280 a younger guy. 2:25:07.760 --> 2:25:10.280 You know what people don't realize, Like, I don't think 2:25:10.320 --> 2:25:12.960 a lot of people know you're a Boston guy. Yeah. 2:25:13.000 --> 2:25:17.160 People think I'm from like Pasadena. Yeah, you know, you 2:25:17.200 --> 2:25:20.640 think a guy that looks like this is from Pasadena. H. 2:25:21.120 --> 2:25:22.840 When we had Jim Craig on to do that game, 2:25:22.879 --> 2:25:26.640 I put jewels on a Jack o'callahany just a shadow Charlestown. 2:25:26.400 --> 2:25:30.440 Jack O'Callahan, you know listen, star of the movie. I 2:25:30.480 --> 2:25:34.080 think you know he he was, you know, just he 2:25:34.640 --> 2:25:38.000 really emblematic of Charlestown. It was kind of a Charlestown guy, 2:25:38.560 --> 2:25:41.640 Charlestown Boston players versus Minnesota players. 2:25:41.640 --> 2:25:44.240 It was it was, it was real. It was a 2:25:44.280 --> 2:25:47.120 big thing. Could you eat so you got up on 2:25:47.120 --> 2:25:49.400 the ice and stuff? Oh yeah, yeah, it's crazy. 2:25:49.440 --> 2:25:52.400 I shot a Pizza Hut commercial on skates, did you. 2:25:52.480 --> 2:25:54.200 Yeah. I can't even I don't even know whether you 2:25:54.200 --> 2:25:54.879 can find it. 2:25:54.879 --> 2:25:57.760 It's to look that up hockey tournament in the Charlestown 2:25:57.840 --> 2:25:59.080 rink after they closed that. 2:25:59.160 --> 2:26:04.400 Every sounds beautiful. Now, yeah, it's changed, is gentrified. If 2:26:04.440 --> 2:26:06.560 I work another four years, I can maybe afford to move. 2:26:06.680 --> 2:26:09.600 Maybe maybe my grandma sold a triple decker on Elm 2:26:09.640 --> 2:26:13.560 Street for how much like seven hundred probably twenty years ago. 2:26:13.840 --> 2:26:17.680 Well that's now the bottom floor is worth a mill. 2:26:18.760 --> 2:26:22.280 We'll be right back after this quick break. Howey, do 2:26:22.360 --> 2:26:23.560 we miss anything in this game? 2:26:25.640 --> 2:26:26.000 Uh? 2:26:26.080 --> 2:26:29.320 Yeah, I think the green Light podcast. I think Kyle 2:26:29.480 --> 2:26:31.200 on CBS. He's doing great. 2:26:32.160 --> 2:26:33.160 H he is a. 2:26:34.600 --> 2:26:36.720 You know, Chris, I talked about you when we came 2:26:36.760 --> 2:26:39.080 in here and said, you know, this is your deal. 2:26:40.000 --> 2:26:43.360 You're you're kind of running. You're you're the CEO here 2:26:43.680 --> 2:26:46.920 trying well. It's tough to do it is but I 2:26:46.959 --> 2:26:49.039 ask these guys are you know? And it's great. But 2:26:49.200 --> 2:26:51.240 Chris has to do that, you know, and there's a 2:26:51.280 --> 2:26:54.960 lot weighing on his shoulders. And you know he's doing 2:26:55.040 --> 2:26:58.720 inside the NFL with Bill, which is a totally weird 2:26:59.440 --> 2:27:01.280 kind of thing, but Bill's great. 2:27:01.680 --> 2:27:04.320 I think it's I think it's fun. I like the 2:27:04.680 --> 2:27:07.720 I like the the history thing. I like when he 2:27:07.760 --> 2:27:10.840 puts them all in breaks down film. Yeah, that's what 2:27:10.879 --> 2:27:13.520 we did for fifteen years, you know what I mean. 2:27:13.760 --> 2:27:15.440 I like when he gets in there, does his little 2:27:15.520 --> 2:27:17.800 history lesson and then test the fellows right there. And 2:27:17.879 --> 2:27:18.400 young Howie. 2:27:18.440 --> 2:27:22.480 Anybody needs a suite at the Raiders, just call Howie 2:27:22.520 --> 2:27:25.840 Long and tickets. He's uh, he works out there selling 2:27:25.879 --> 2:27:29.400 suitees and he's uh, he's the hard He's the only 2:27:29.400 --> 2:27:32.120 one in the family with a real job, you know. 2:27:32.320 --> 2:27:33.400 God bless you, Howie. 2:27:34.200 --> 2:27:36.400 And fun fact for a little games with names history, 2:27:36.520 --> 2:27:38.199 we had Chris and Kyle Long come on the show. 2:27:38.240 --> 2:27:41.039 They did the double point game and. 2:27:41.000 --> 2:27:43.360 Their moment where they tell the story that that was 2:27:43.400 --> 2:27:46.480 tipped is our best viewed video all time for a 2:27:46.520 --> 2:27:50.240 whole show, nineteen million views on YouTube, them telling the 2:27:50.280 --> 2:27:51.680 real story behind the double. 2:27:51.440 --> 2:27:52.920 Doing nineteen million. 2:27:54.200 --> 2:27:57.560 People don't realize how hard it is as a dad 2:27:57.640 --> 2:28:01.440 and a mom to watch the those games, particularly when 2:28:01.440 --> 2:28:03.640 they played against each other, because it's not like the 2:28:03.680 --> 2:28:05.080 Mannings where they're both playing quarters. 2:28:05.160 --> 2:28:05.959 They're going against each other. 2:28:06.000 --> 2:28:07.600 They're going against each other. As a matter of fact, 2:28:07.600 --> 2:28:11.200 when Kyle came up with the Bears to practice up there, 2:28:11.440 --> 2:28:13.960 and it was interesting, two things. Two things stuck out 2:28:14.000 --> 2:28:18.240 to me in that thing was Chris. Chris was a 2:28:18.280 --> 2:28:21.480 looper on a t stunt and Kyle has to pass 2:28:21.560 --> 2:28:24.720 off the tackle and he comes back and he's probably 2:28:24.879 --> 2:28:28.480 half a step behind, but punches Chris in the ribs 2:28:28.480 --> 2:28:30.600 and fractures his rips, breaks his rips. 2:28:30.400 --> 2:28:32.360 And then joint practice and remember that. 2:28:32.480 --> 2:28:36.680 Yeah, And I see Bill after the game, and I'm 2:28:36.760 --> 2:28:41.440 very respectful of Bill, you know. Uh, I don't I 2:28:42.000 --> 2:28:43.840 think I call him Bill. I don't call him coach. 2:28:43.879 --> 2:28:44.920 I might have called him coach. 2:28:45.680 --> 2:28:46.360 Uh. 2:28:46.680 --> 2:28:49.640 It's kind of a hard kind of transition for me, 2:28:50.600 --> 2:28:54.400 you know. And I said to me, said, he said, hey, 2:28:54.400 --> 2:28:57.240 you're you know, we talked about Chris for a second. 2:28:57.320 --> 2:29:00.440 He said, hey, your boy your other boys said, yeah, 2:29:00.520 --> 2:29:05.240 he doesn't he's figuring things out, he said, and he 2:29:05.320 --> 2:29:07.959 kind of did you know, Bill ponder something for about 2:29:08.120 --> 2:29:11.400 four three four seconds and he said he might be. 2:29:13.200 --> 2:29:16.760 He's the best garden football And you know, coming from 2:29:16.840 --> 2:29:21.080 Bill who doesn't throw roses, you know, he's not giving 2:29:21.080 --> 2:29:22.680 the flowers out, you know a lot. 2:29:22.800 --> 2:29:26.119 It was. That's a big deal. That's a huge deal. 2:29:26.400 --> 2:29:29.240 I mean, that's how good Kyle Kyle was. 2:29:29.280 --> 2:29:33.000 I was healthy, he was, you know, one thing after 2:29:33.040 --> 2:29:37.279 another was like the nex fusion, shoulder, elbow, his ankle, 2:29:37.840 --> 2:29:41.240 you know, tendon popped out. He you know, so there 2:29:41.240 --> 2:29:43.840 were things that piled up on him. But if he 2:29:43.840 --> 2:29:46.880 could have stayed healthy, we're having a different conversation. 2:29:48.400 --> 2:29:50.000 He did. I mean, he did damn well. 2:29:50.080 --> 2:29:53.160 He made great you know, but you know, I'm saying 2:29:53.959 --> 2:29:57.000 he was on the trajectory to be without a doubt. Yeah, 2:29:57.040 --> 2:29:59.760 he was like the logan Mankins, you know that kind 2:29:59.800 --> 2:30:04.520 of yeah, stout just small people logan. 2:30:05.879 --> 2:30:10.000 That dude. He was. He was the coolest teammate I. 2:30:09.879 --> 2:30:13.520 Saw him in Boise at a bowl game when he 2:30:13.560 --> 2:30:17.800 played left tackle in college, and I'm saying, who in 2:30:17.959 --> 2:30:21.080 God's name is that guy from Boise playing left tackle? 2:30:21.360 --> 2:30:23.879 I'm watching the game, and you know, your eyes, your 2:30:23.879 --> 2:30:26.320 eyes go to players, you know, you walk on the 2:30:26.320 --> 2:30:28.200 field and I know who the two three guys are, 2:30:28.840 --> 2:30:30.720 you know, I mean, you just whether it's Pop Warner 2:30:30.800 --> 2:30:33.760 or high school or college or pro, you just your 2:30:33.760 --> 2:30:36.640 eyes are drawn. And my eyes went right to Logo Mangans. 2:30:37.200 --> 2:30:42.000 He was the nastiest man. I'm just talking pure like 2:30:43.440 --> 2:30:45.600 punch you in the face kind of boy. He's like 2:30:45.640 --> 2:30:50.600 a cowboy. He's a cowboys but like off the field quiet, 2:30:51.120 --> 2:30:52.240 where's car hard back? 2:30:52.360 --> 2:30:54.520 Once I met him once, he you know, he walked 2:30:54.600 --> 2:30:56.640 up and said he loo and said it was good 2:30:56.680 --> 2:30:59.080 to finally meet you. Because I would talk about him 2:30:59.560 --> 2:31:01.800 a lot on TV because I liked him. You know, 2:31:01.959 --> 2:31:04.400 he's a guy that I had great respect for. 2:31:04.560 --> 2:31:06.640 He bought a bunch of land and you know, right 2:31:06.680 --> 2:31:09.360 outside of Foxborough and he just farms it. That's all. 2:31:09.560 --> 2:31:11.600 He like, wakes up at four in the morning and 2:31:11.640 --> 2:31:12.640 he farms this land. 2:31:13.959 --> 2:31:18.160 You know, Uh, everyone's got their own thing. That's that's 2:31:18.240 --> 2:31:20.480 log I just want to be able to say if 2:31:20.520 --> 2:31:22.039 I if I own a house, I have to be 2:31:22.040 --> 2:31:23.480 able to sit on the porch and my box of 2:31:23.560 --> 2:31:27.560 shorts and not be seen. Yeah, you know, so all 2:31:27.600 --> 2:31:30.040 my houses are I can do that. 2:31:30.520 --> 2:31:34.360 Well, maybe one day I'll get to sit. I got 2:31:34.400 --> 2:31:35.360 to come check you guys out. 2:31:35.400 --> 2:31:37.720 I got to come up to Montana. He's God's country. 2:31:38.040 --> 2:31:39.800 I know it is God's country. 2:31:39.879 --> 2:31:42.440 Before we wrap up real quick, you mentioned players of 2:31:42.480 --> 2:31:45.240 your eyes just gravitate towards you played with Bo Jackson. 2:31:47.120 --> 2:31:48.800 What's it like being on the field with him? 2:31:49.120 --> 2:31:51.640 You know, God spent a little bit more time than 2:31:51.720 --> 2:31:54.840 just putting his hand on somebody's shoulders there and saying 2:31:54.879 --> 2:31:58.720 you're gifted. He came out of a different a different 2:31:58.920 --> 2:31:59.840 kind of conveyor. 2:32:02.560 --> 2:32:07.400 Jeez, Bo was listen. 2:32:08.120 --> 2:32:11.240 I remember sitting behind the offense first week he was there, 2:32:12.120 --> 2:32:14.760 in a team period on offense. I'd sit there on 2:32:14.800 --> 2:32:18.560 my helmet behind the offense and I'd watch. I'd watch, 2:32:18.640 --> 2:32:22.080 you know, I always like formations, and yeah, you know, 2:32:22.840 --> 2:32:25.120 it was of no consequence to me because we're not 2:32:25.160 --> 2:32:31.240 playing against ourselves. But they pitch him the ball and 2:32:31.280 --> 2:32:34.240 it was just asynthighs this high off the ground and 2:32:34.840 --> 2:32:38.440 he's running faster than everyone. He ran like a four 2:32:38.440 --> 2:32:39.080 to one nine. 2:32:39.120 --> 2:32:41.199 I think he's ran faster than everyone. 2:32:41.320 --> 2:32:44.200 He ran faster than everyone. He was two thirty and 2:32:44.959 --> 2:32:48.039 could eat a cheeseburger and never go in the weight room. 2:32:48.080 --> 2:32:50.480 And there are a few guys you could lock in 2:32:50.520 --> 2:32:55.040 a room for three months and they could come out 2:32:55.959 --> 2:33:01.320 and be great. Barry Sanders, Dion Sanders, Bo and maybe 2:33:01.360 --> 2:33:05.440 a couple other guys. You know, uh Bo was. He 2:33:05.560 --> 2:33:10.520 was truly of a shooting star. It was like playing 2:33:10.520 --> 2:33:13.240 with Elvis. You know, you had to go in the 2:33:13.280 --> 2:33:16.400 back of the hotel. They had to you know, there 2:33:16.400 --> 2:33:18.400 were there were things that you had to do as 2:33:18.440 --> 2:33:21.840 an organization because he was so big. He'd be imagine 2:33:21.879 --> 2:33:25.440 him today, yea be so big. Yeah, a great guy. 2:33:25.600 --> 2:33:28.120 He called me just a couple of weeks ago. We 2:33:28.160 --> 2:33:31.720 had a death in one of the families and he 2:33:31.760 --> 2:33:34.520 wanted to let me know. He's a good guy. 2:33:34.680 --> 2:33:37.520 I love bo. Bo knows bo I wrote the Ford 2:33:37.560 --> 2:33:44.160 in his book. Man, that's dope, Howie. I appreciate you 2:33:44.200 --> 2:33:46.200 so much for coming and taking the time. 2:33:46.680 --> 2:33:49.000 Thanks for having me. This is been a nice spot 2:33:49.120 --> 2:33:52.040 up here. You've got good people working with you. There's 2:33:52.040 --> 2:33:53.600 nobody I want to slap on the way out. 2:33:53.680 --> 2:33:59.320 You know, a successful day for us, then thank you, 2:33:59.400 --> 2:34:06.320 Ali Man legend, legend. I feel like I have my 2:34:06.400 --> 2:34:09.720 dad in I feel like ad like my dad's around 2:34:09.720 --> 2:34:12.240 on how we I had so many more like jokey 2:34:12.360 --> 2:34:14.640 questions to ask him. Didn't want to ask him. I 2:34:14.640 --> 2:34:16.160 didn't want to let how He down in the least 2:34:16.360 --> 2:34:19.360 I did clam up on one of them. I didn't 2:34:19.400 --> 2:34:21.640 want to ask him. I don't want to disappoint him. 2:34:21.959 --> 2:34:23.879 I was wishing somebody would pull up so we could have. 2:34:25.520 --> 2:34:28.720 Fucked them up. If someone pulled I felt the safest 2:34:28.760 --> 2:34:30.400 I've seen I felt in this. 2:34:30.360 --> 2:34:36.880 House with a threat certified not a threat, not clear. 2:34:37.000 --> 2:34:38.680 We're gonna make a T shirt for a jack not 2:34:38.760 --> 2:34:42.840 a threat, a threat not a threat. The arrow. 2:34:46.400 --> 2:34:48.160 Man, Hey, I would take a bullet for Howie though, 2:34:48.959 --> 2:34:51.560 I'll I'll do whatever it takes. You jump in front 2:34:51.600 --> 2:34:54.040 of Bush for sure for how we are all day, 2:34:54.680 --> 2:34:56.840 mister Lung, Mister Lung, I didn't see. I don't don't 2:34:56.840 --> 2:34:58.280 think I slipped up inside of Howie in there. 2:34:59.200 --> 2:35:03.520 I started thinking of about it. No, I think you 2:35:03.560 --> 2:35:07.680 can you guys, teammates I know, but it's what's crazy. 2:35:08.000 --> 2:35:09.520 You know the guy that gets some dip, Now that's me. 2:35:11.120 --> 2:35:11.560 I get him. 2:35:12.160 --> 2:35:13.520 What are you a crack dealer? 2:35:15.520 --> 2:35:18.200 Are you a crack dealer? It's crazy that I didn't 2:35:18.240 --> 2:35:18.800 even notice that. 2:35:18.840 --> 2:35:20.760 But like pretty much everyone on the Fox team has 2:35:20.760 --> 2:35:23.240 been on the same team, like their same football team. 2:35:23.280 --> 2:35:25.200 Like Howie went the Raiders Terry with. The only one 2:35:25.280 --> 2:35:30.039 is is Rob. He went to Tampa and both Jimmy, 2:35:30.400 --> 2:35:33.840 but Rob's kind of that. Rob doesn't seem Rob still 2:35:34.200 --> 2:35:37.400 yeah different, he's a Patriots different and he's a Patriot, 2:35:37.440 --> 2:35:41.039 but he's also transcendence. He went with Tom. Yeah, transcends. 2:35:41.080 --> 2:35:42.680 I was just gonna say, mister Long came and fitted. 2:35:42.720 --> 2:35:43.199 He was fitted. 2:35:43.280 --> 2:35:43.840 He was fitted. 2:35:43.879 --> 2:35:45.800 He could wear the heck out of his cargo pants. 2:35:46.360 --> 2:35:49.240 Cargo pants and a cool jean jacket. Nice like cut 2:35:49.240 --> 2:35:51.760 of it. He looks great. I've never seen sketchers be 2:35:51.800 --> 2:35:54.840 swaggy before. Dude, Sketchers. I see those sketchers. He wears 2:35:54.840 --> 2:35:59.080 Sketchers all the time at work. I'm like, are those vans. 2:35:59.320 --> 2:36:00.800 It's like, no, he's in new Sketchers. 2:36:00.920 --> 2:36:02.680 I've never seen that model. I figured they must be 2:36:02.720 --> 2:36:06.360 sketches given his deal, but I've never seen them sketch Mike, 2:36:06.360 --> 2:36:08.640 get in there, bro, like. 2:36:08.560 --> 2:36:13.440 I might get the indy. By the way, this he 2:36:13.560 --> 2:36:15.039 loves nuclear war movies. 2:36:15.200 --> 2:36:18.320 Yeah he did. 2:36:18.360 --> 2:36:21.680 He reference three. He could have been Jack. He's one 2:36:21.720 --> 2:36:24.560 hundred percent Jack Reacher should be Howie Long. 2:36:25.760 --> 2:36:27.920 He's like he likes his movies like he likes himself 2:36:28.160 --> 2:36:29.320 a weapon of mass destruction. 2:36:30.480 --> 2:36:38.280 Dude. He see he checking to see if he's still 2:36:39.120 --> 2:36:40.280 I'm checking to see which. 2:36:42.640 --> 2:36:46.400 I love his his his broad spectrum of knowledge of 2:36:46.760 --> 2:36:50.120 you're referencing the firm and then you're referencing Mike Jones 2:36:50.160 --> 2:36:52.080 in the same episode what was Credible? 2:36:52.200 --> 2:36:56.119 And then also I can see Chris and Kyle just saying. 2:36:57.800 --> 2:37:00.000 He won three three oh eight zero zero five. 2:37:00.360 --> 2:37:02.360 Oh my god, those two must have been a handful, 2:37:02.800 --> 2:37:04.640 Like how he had to be like that with those 2:37:04.640 --> 2:37:09.840 two boys, Kyle, Chris. Chris is such a smart ass 2:37:09.840 --> 2:37:13.040 and Kyle is just crazy. He's just crazy. Yeah, I 2:37:13.040 --> 2:37:15.039 would have loved to get some more. And they're both 2:37:15.080 --> 2:37:17.920 like they're like both really smart guys, so they can 2:37:18.000 --> 2:37:19.640 scheme the fuck out of their parents. 2:37:19.640 --> 2:37:24.920 Probably probably the same way. Oh my god, legendary shout 2:37:24.920 --> 2:37:25.840 out Chris. 2:37:25.520 --> 2:37:28.400 And green Light. We love those guys out over there. 2:37:28.520 --> 2:37:31.400 Green Light shout out Charlottesville, Virginia, all those guys. I 2:37:31.440 --> 2:37:34.520 wonder what how he landed in Virginia. I know he 2:37:34.560 --> 2:37:37.080 said they picked Blake it's beautiful, a cool place, but 2:37:37.120 --> 2:37:38.119 I wasn't asking that. 2:37:38.400 --> 2:37:40.920 I think it was it was just under the Macy 2:37:40.959 --> 2:37:45.039 Dixie close to an airport. Probably he's probably got all 2:37:45.120 --> 2:37:47.879 everything's mapped out to a tea with him. You know, 2:37:47.959 --> 2:37:54.039 he's got like well just that like or time schematics. Yeah, 2:37:54.720 --> 2:37:56.480 he probably has a rule where he has to live 2:37:56.560 --> 2:37:58.119 like forty five minutes from an airport. 2:37:59.120 --> 2:38:01.760 Yeah, he travels a you know what I mean when 2:38:02.240 --> 2:38:03.959 when you think of football, you think of like how 2:38:04.120 --> 2:38:04.520 long like. 2:38:04.520 --> 2:38:06.520 He is didn't get to ask about the neck roll, 2:38:06.680 --> 2:38:08.240 didn't get a neck roll, and didn't get a flat 2:38:08.280 --> 2:38:08.800 top question. 2:38:09.000 --> 2:38:11.080 He didn't get a flat top question, but everyone asked 2:38:11.120 --> 2:38:12.920 him a flat top question. I think P M. T 2:38:13.080 --> 2:38:15.000 did that well. I mean we did get what Al 2:38:15.040 --> 2:38:17.840 Michael smells like or Al Davis smells like his own clones, 2:38:17.879 --> 2:38:20.400 his own Do you think he makes it like he 2:38:20.480 --> 2:38:25.480 had it like he. 2:38:24.000 --> 2:38:29.640 He's like an alchemist. Yeah, he's in there, dude, Savage 2:38:29.800 --> 2:38:33.760 by Al Davis. We should cut like a like an 2:38:33.760 --> 2:38:36.800 Al Davis commercials Wolves in the Desert. 2:38:37.440 --> 2:38:39.480 You know who would be in it? For our hunk? 2:38:39.600 --> 2:38:44.760 How long? How long? Just wait? Just just one baby. 2:38:44.800 --> 2:38:47.960 He liked that we got a trademark that we should 2:38:48.000 --> 2:38:49.160 hit up Tom Radio over. 2:38:49.120 --> 2:38:50.640 There, but we got to give him half the trademark. 2:38:50.800 --> 2:38:53.280 Yeah, we'll get about. 2:38:52.360 --> 2:38:55.120 How Tom is. You know the Raiders. 2:38:55.160 --> 2:38:57.880 Tom peached the whole thing. What we don't be talking about, 2:38:57.920 --> 2:39:00.680 like the Tom was the Raiders now and d culture, and. 2:39:00.959 --> 2:39:03.320 We didn't talk about anything. I just got I got 2:39:03.320 --> 2:39:07.880 intimidated probably that come on the show. We have audience. 2:39:08.000 --> 2:39:10.000 You know, we have probably fifty questions that don't get 2:39:10.040 --> 2:39:12.320 asked because there's so much information we'd want to hear 2:39:12.320 --> 2:39:14.600 from them, the amount of stories, the amount of experience 2:39:14.600 --> 2:39:15.240 they've had, Like. 2:39:15.360 --> 2:39:18.720 We always I didn't want to ask him a question 2:39:18.760 --> 2:39:20.320 that to make him like, all right, I'm the. 2:39:20.240 --> 2:39:22.039 Cutting room floors, questions up to our ankles. 2:39:22.120 --> 2:39:24.400 Yeah, which he would never do that. No, No, he 2:39:24.400 --> 2:39:26.520 would never do that, but I would never put him 2:39:26.560 --> 2:39:29.280 in a position to do it. We played that, well, 2:39:29.800 --> 2:39:32.920 that was great. I like that. It's a it's an 2:39:32.920 --> 2:39:36.720 elevator guest, a Hall of Famer in the Nuthhouse. I 2:39:36.720 --> 2:39:36.920 love it. 2:39:39.000 --> 2:39:44.120 No Ritchie incognito, Richie Max, first Legacy Raider, first leg 2:39:44.240 --> 2:39:48.120 first old School Raider, first old School super Bowl Champion Raider, 2:39:48.280 --> 2:39:51.000 first Super Bowl Champion raider, first smoking cigarettes, and the 2:39:51.040 --> 2:39:51.760 locker room raider. 2:39:52.400 --> 2:39:53.360 I don't think he did it. 2:39:53.440 --> 2:39:56.440 He did not, No, no, no, man, man, that was 2:39:56.640 --> 2:39:58.279 I mean, I'm gonna be doing an Ala. 2:39:58.200 --> 2:39:59.840 Davis all day today, for the rest of the day. 2:40:00.000 --> 2:40:02.360 Could you imagine those guys at twenty six years old, 2:40:02.400 --> 2:40:06.560 twenty seven, twenty eight, how big and like just fucking 2:40:08.959 --> 2:40:11.800 bro cool they were. Oh my gosh, we were bro cool. 2:40:11.840 --> 2:40:14.400 I bet we were. We were sitting sleet late. I 2:40:14.440 --> 2:40:16.560 bet you in the weight room, their fucking attire was 2:40:16.600 --> 2:40:20.560 so sick, like fucking just crop top gen or crop 2:40:20.600 --> 2:40:25.560 top shirts. Fucking like just straight program shit, rusty old weights. 2:40:25.920 --> 2:40:28.440 Somehow the seventy five pounds weighs more than the seventy 2:40:28.440 --> 2:40:31.840 five pounds today, like just rusty and heavier and grittier. 2:40:31.920 --> 2:40:35.879 Probably some shitty ass coffee in there, some thick coffee, 2:40:35.959 --> 2:40:36.680 some instant joint. 2:40:36.720 --> 2:40:41.760 Yeah, for sick by the airport, he said, practice coming 2:40:41.760 --> 2:40:43.840 over to the whole hot drinks it. 2:40:45.560 --> 2:40:48.680 Rig guys smoking cigarettes. So we're in the fucking training room. 2:40:48.760 --> 2:40:51.680 What a team and preparing for this episode watching the 2:40:51.760 --> 2:40:55.640 NFL films, Like you need NFL films and the Raiders. 2:40:55.600 --> 2:40:57.360 You gotta they go hand in hand. It was just 2:40:57.440 --> 2:41:00.520 fill film football. That was that's some real cool footage. 2:41:01.760 --> 2:41:04.360 NFL films. They've they've been around table a long time. 2:41:04.680 --> 2:41:09.880 Yes they do. They So that's a different company or 2:41:09.879 --> 2:41:10.720 the NFL owns it. 2:41:11.160 --> 2:41:14.720 NFL Films, from my understanding, was its own adjacent company. 2:41:15.080 --> 2:41:18.400 I do believe it's under the NFL purview now as 2:41:18.400 --> 2:41:19.599 well as potentially. 2:41:19.320 --> 2:41:20.959 But it's still like a Jordan thing, you know, like 2:41:21.040 --> 2:41:23.520 Jordan and Nike, where it's like carved out for sure, 2:41:23.800 --> 2:41:24.320 like Jordan's. 2:41:24.320 --> 2:41:26.920 I mean, our cold open is literally inspired by an 2:41:26.959 --> 2:41:30.080 autumn wind is a raider that that little sequence the music. 2:41:29.800 --> 2:41:30.000 And that. 2:41:41.800 --> 2:41:45.520 The autumn wind is a raider pillage and you look 2:41:45.560 --> 2:41:46.680 at the big one. 2:41:48.920 --> 2:41:51.480 Seventy five, all right, what is this? Uh So we're 2:41:51.480 --> 2:41:55.080 gonna try a little something new, something a segment. 2:41:57.600 --> 2:42:00.520 Watching I've been I've been I've been watching my my 2:42:00.640 --> 2:42:04.520 Andy Cohen been hearkening back to the old Jay Leno 2:42:04.680 --> 2:42:07.720 days of you got to brand these segments a headline 2:42:07.720 --> 2:42:11.320 for you. J Jay walks, but we do Jack asks. 2:42:11.640 --> 2:42:15.480 Jack's asks kind of like Jackass, but Jack asks, Yeah, 2:42:15.520 --> 2:42:16.240 what do we think of that? 2:42:16.920 --> 2:42:18.760 Just tell us about jackasses a little bit. 2:42:18.879 --> 2:42:21.720 I don't don't don't let juwel see these questions. This 2:42:21.800 --> 2:42:24.680 is we get a lot of call. We love hearing 2:42:24.720 --> 2:42:29.360 from the fans. We love hitting the hotline, and we 2:42:29.360 --> 2:42:31.920 we like those off the wall questions. We like those 2:42:31.920 --> 2:42:32.960 out of left fielders. 2:42:33.360 --> 2:42:34.640 We like the would you rathers? 2:42:35.000 --> 2:42:37.400 Something kind of makes you think since with you all 2:42:37.480 --> 2:42:39.960 day puts you on the spot, so to speak, not 2:42:40.080 --> 2:42:42.480 quite the hot seat, but a little warm like WHOA 2:42:42.720 --> 2:42:43.400 didn't think of that? 2:42:44.200 --> 2:42:47.760 Feel like when you press the heat seater on just 2:42:47.840 --> 2:42:49.840 one dot instead of three against three dots. 2:42:50.000 --> 2:42:52.520 Yes, we're one dot, we're one dot, one dot in it. Well, 2:42:52.560 --> 2:42:54.440 maybe work our way up to three, but we're not 2:42:54.440 --> 2:42:56.440 there yet. It's only December. We don't need it all right. 2:42:56.440 --> 2:42:59.040 Let's get let's actually do this segment. You can do 2:42:59.120 --> 2:42:59.560 the segment. 2:42:59.720 --> 2:43:02.920 These are questions that they it's a little bit telling. 2:43:03.040 --> 2:43:05.440 You can tell a lot about someone through these jewels 2:43:05.560 --> 2:43:07.199 without further Ado. Are you ready? 2:43:07.240 --> 2:43:08.680 I'm ready? All right. 2:43:09.000 --> 2:43:11.760 First on our list, we're in the last latter part 2:43:11.760 --> 2:43:16.879 of the NFL season. What's next on your vacation destination list? 2:43:17.400 --> 2:43:20.320 My my vacation off season vaka. 2:43:20.520 --> 2:43:21.640 I want to go to Japan. 2:43:22.600 --> 2:43:24.039 I had a feeling that was going to be in there. 2:43:24.560 --> 2:43:28.360 I want to go to Japan so bad. I want 2:43:28.360 --> 2:43:34.959 to go to Tokyo, Kyota, Kobe, Soca Socca. My dad went 2:43:34.959 --> 2:43:37.320 there when he was when he was young and with 2:43:37.360 --> 2:43:40.879 the commands, man, I like that. I want to check 2:43:40.920 --> 2:43:46.080 that out. I think I'm gonna go to where. Am 2:43:46.080 --> 2:43:47.920 I going to Whistler? That's right? 2:43:47.959 --> 2:43:50.000 You and Rob right, we're gonna go to Whistler Ski 2:43:50.200 --> 2:43:56.240 That's gonna be awesome, or else snowboard your border. 2:43:57.560 --> 2:43:59.000 But I don't know. I need to get to Europe. 2:43:59.280 --> 2:44:02.000 I haven't been to Europe. I haven't I need I 2:44:02.000 --> 2:44:04.120 don't travel that all. I need to travel like it's 2:44:04.400 --> 2:44:08.560 internationally more. I haven't been out of the States other 2:44:08.640 --> 2:44:12.760 than like South America. I went to Brazil. Actually I have. 2:44:13.200 --> 2:44:15.720 I've traveled recent but I want to get back to Europe. 2:44:15.920 --> 2:44:17.720 There's so many places in Europe I've never been. I've 2:44:17.720 --> 2:44:20.240 never been to the Asias. I want to go to 2:44:20.240 --> 2:44:22.039 a bunch of Asian countries. I want to go to, 2:44:22.120 --> 2:44:24.520 like I would love to see like China, Like I 2:44:24.560 --> 2:44:26.520 want to see the Great Wall of China. Yeah, that'd 2:44:26.560 --> 2:44:28.720 be fucking crazy. And there's a lot of like we 2:44:28.720 --> 2:44:31.080 don't know anything about China, Like you don't ever hear 2:44:31.120 --> 2:44:34.200 about it. But you know, my Don Yee, he always 2:44:34.200 --> 2:44:36.240 talks about how cool it is over there, And I 2:44:36.240 --> 2:44:38.880 would want to go with like a local like him. Yeah. 2:44:38.879 --> 2:44:40.640 But also I want to go to like Thailand. I 2:44:40.680 --> 2:44:43.680 want to go to you know, Japan. I want to 2:44:43.720 --> 2:44:47.720 go to Seoul, Korea, South Korea. That'll be tight, you know. 2:44:48.280 --> 2:44:53.240 I think it'd be really great inspo. I like that vibe. Yeah, 2:44:53.320 --> 2:44:55.879 something about you Jack, where you going? Oh man? 2:44:57.480 --> 2:44:59.680 I also my boys trying to get me in March 2:45:00.320 --> 2:45:01.400 to do a japan but. 2:45:01.360 --> 2:45:03.240 A golf trip. He's got it. 2:45:03.320 --> 2:45:05.240 He's got his eye on these sort of they got 2:45:05.240 --> 2:45:08.280 these trips by like golf packages do like a Japanese 2:45:08.280 --> 2:45:08.720 golf trip. 2:45:08.800 --> 2:45:10.640 Isn't it snowy still there? I don't know. 2:45:10.720 --> 2:45:12.840 I haven't looked into it too much. I'm a little 2:45:12.879 --> 2:45:17.520 like it's still a little foreign to me everything about it. No, 2:45:17.520 --> 2:45:20.400 no pun intended. I would like to get back to uh. 2:45:20.920 --> 2:45:23.320 Every every three to four months, I get a New 2:45:23.400 --> 2:45:27.240 York hitch. I got to get back to New York. 2:45:27.680 --> 2:45:33.160 It's not very much nothing sexy there. Okay, yeah, that's 2:45:33.200 --> 2:45:36.920 a different story for a different day. I would like 2:45:36.920 --> 2:45:39.280 to get to Europe. I've only really ever been to uh, 2:45:39.480 --> 2:45:42.879 only ever been to uh London. I'd like to like 2:45:42.920 --> 2:45:45.520 to hit a Paris maybe, Uh, you've been to Paris 2:45:45.600 --> 2:45:49.760 only never been? Only been in London, never been. I 2:45:49.760 --> 2:45:51.800 want to go to I want to go to Europe deeper. 2:45:52.680 --> 2:45:55.280 Would you show me around? I don't know that well, 2:45:55.400 --> 2:45:57.400 I know, but we go together, Yeah, we go. Yeah, 2:45:57.560 --> 2:45:58.560 I'm a good travel comittian. 2:45:58.560 --> 2:46:02.240 I had to cancel because we launched Dudes on Dudes. 2:46:02.920 --> 2:46:04.600 I still eating shift from that for my wife. 2:46:05.160 --> 2:46:10.640 Hey, you got Hawaii on the horizon. You're good. You're good, bro. 2:46:11.560 --> 2:46:14.000 Yeah to Paris in the off season. I don't know. 2:46:14.080 --> 2:46:15.880 I want to go. Say all this, and you'll probably 2:46:15.959 --> 2:46:17.879 end upon going anywhere because I'll have to go do 2:46:18.000 --> 2:46:20.800 work ship or The only trouble I really do is 2:46:20.840 --> 2:46:22.320 for like, if I have to go to a city 2:46:22.360 --> 2:46:24.680 to do something, for work. Maybe Ireland next year. 2:46:24.840 --> 2:46:29.960 Oh, I would love to go to Ireland, to the Homeland. Shoot, 2:46:29.959 --> 2:46:31.440 we'll just kind of we'll just cut of games with 2:46:31.520 --> 2:46:33.280 names in the g. 2:46:36.080 --> 2:46:37.480 I was just mister Baseball. 2:46:37.640 --> 2:46:42.280 Let you a mister Baseball episode, all right? Next on 2:46:42.280 --> 2:46:47.480 our list, Jules go to gas station snack pulling over. 2:46:47.560 --> 2:46:49.959 You're driving the stang, you pull off for a little 2:46:49.959 --> 2:46:51.880 snacks anymore. 2:46:53.000 --> 2:46:55.560 I just get I'll get a coffee. I'll get a 2:46:55.600 --> 2:47:02.440 coffee either hot. I'll sometimes get half coffee if it's 2:47:02.440 --> 2:47:04.280 in the morning it's a little nippy out. But I'll 2:47:04.360 --> 2:47:09.200 take like a some kind of like cold brew of 2:47:09.240 --> 2:47:13.800 some sort like that. Get a get a tin, maybe 2:47:13.840 --> 2:47:18.360 a couple different bubble gums. Back in the day, I 2:47:18.400 --> 2:47:19.280 get like a corn nut. 2:47:19.879 --> 2:47:22.720 Oh your really, cornuts are underrated. Great gas stations neck 2:47:22.800 --> 2:47:27.800 I would get like chips, chips, slushy slurpy slushy do 2:47:28.200 --> 2:47:31.360 all day, all day. I didn't realize. 2:47:32.080 --> 2:47:35.600 So and then then I went to Ohio and I 2:47:35.640 --> 2:47:39.840 was introduced to sheets. It's like, what this is. This 2:47:39.920 --> 2:47:45.120 is a gas station experience. You get fucking hullo, paniol, poppers, 2:47:46.040 --> 2:47:51.080 beef jerky. It's a way of life. Yes, there's other 2:47:51.080 --> 2:47:53.160 ones like that around the country too. Yeah. I never 2:47:53.160 --> 2:47:56.560 be loves BUCkies. Yeah, those are some badass ship It's 2:47:56.600 --> 2:47:59.360 like it's an experience I remember, like I gotta go 2:47:59.360 --> 2:48:03.840 fill up my cart. It's a very Yeah, it's uniquely 2:48:03.840 --> 2:48:07.520 I'm pretty cheap yo. Yeah, they're great. Good. I got 2:48:07.520 --> 2:48:09.400 a lot going on there. You know, there's cool little 2:48:09.840 --> 2:48:13.400 like gas stations here. I remember the one gas station 2:48:13.440 --> 2:48:16.960 in Boston that had a Mexican restaurant in it, and uh, 2:48:17.160 --> 2:48:19.960 Beacon Hill. Yeah that's pretty good. But there's always a 2:48:19.959 --> 2:48:23.440 little Mexican spot in some gas stations when I'm driving 2:48:23.480 --> 2:48:26.800 to like the Lake or something that all fucking on 2:48:27.000 --> 2:48:29.160 triple D type spots. Get a little couple of car 2:48:29.360 --> 2:48:34.200 you know, give me some Cardie Carne. Probably gotta cut 2:48:34.240 --> 2:48:38.400 that out. It's some unleaded unleaded Yeah, all right. Next 2:48:38.480 --> 2:48:41.000 on the list, we talked to golf earlier. What's your 2:48:41.040 --> 2:48:46.039 favorite club to hit in the bag these days? Favorite 2:48:46.040 --> 2:48:48.760 club to hit? What's feeling good? Zero? None of them 2:48:48.800 --> 2:48:51.199 right now. Nothing's feeling pure, not fear. I'm not feeling 2:48:51.320 --> 2:48:55.800 very pure right when it comes down to it. My 2:48:55.920 --> 2:49:01.760 seven Amen, me too, me too, even or odds iron guy. 2:49:01.920 --> 2:49:02.879 I don't know that. 2:49:03.480 --> 2:49:05.960 I'm a seven seven nine, so I'm odds yeah, seven 2:49:06.000 --> 2:49:07.840 and nine or two of my yep. 2:49:08.120 --> 2:49:14.400 And I love my uh I love my uh my fifty. 2:49:15.879 --> 2:49:20.119 I like my fifty like night, like my one one 2:49:20.120 --> 2:49:23.120 and one ten, and in using my fifty, I feel 2:49:23.160 --> 2:49:24.800 like I'm pretty decent with that. 2:49:25.360 --> 2:49:27.039 I feel like we're doing for a more park outing years. 2:49:27.080 --> 2:49:29.120 Who know, my driver just sucks right now? 2:49:29.320 --> 2:49:29.760 Is all right? 2:49:29.840 --> 2:49:30.360 We'll get there. 2:49:31.120 --> 2:49:33.320 Yeah, just nice and easy. Let the club do the work. 2:49:34.120 --> 2:49:36.760 You're good. It's more of like my slot. Fucking what's 2:49:36.760 --> 2:49:39.520 his name? Got in my goddamn head, Oh Ryan, Max 2:49:39.560 --> 2:49:43.240 Homer or what is oh h the video talk about 2:49:43.280 --> 2:49:45.959 my goddamn slot. So I go to my goddamn coach. 2:49:46.000 --> 2:49:48.360 I'm like, yeah, what's up my slot? What's up with 2:49:48.440 --> 2:49:49.920 my slot? 2:49:50.120 --> 2:49:53.080 You in the slot not being hand in hand? Is 2:49:53.120 --> 2:49:53.640 teams wrong? 2:49:53.680 --> 2:49:58.879 I thought I Slotty Pippin fucking bullshit, freaking homahma, come on, 2:49:59.080 --> 2:50:02.120 Homa on the show. Yeah, come on the show. Give 2:50:02.160 --> 2:50:05.960 me a goddamn golf list. Come on, baby, I'm a 2:50:06.080 --> 2:50:11.119 damn dimple head here bro abg always be golfing. 2:50:11.800 --> 2:50:14.400 Next up on our list, Jules what's a show. 2:50:14.240 --> 2:50:17.680 Or a movie you've been rocking with lately? Been watching 2:50:17.760 --> 2:50:21.560 land Man, Oh, Billy Bob, Billy Bob Taylor's Sharon, I 2:50:21.560 --> 2:50:23.720 gotta get on that. I like it. I like Billy 2:50:23.720 --> 2:50:26.640 Bob Thorton's and I don't know, I don't know Texas 2:50:26.680 --> 2:50:29.080 stuff like that, like the Gas. You know, it's fun 2:50:29.080 --> 2:50:31.240 to watch those kind of things and see, like the 2:50:31.240 --> 2:50:32.720 Hollywood version of what they think of it. 2:50:32.840 --> 2:50:34.320 And Billy Bob's Taylor made for that kind. 2:50:34.240 --> 2:50:41.360 Of Taylor that. I also like Lioness. That's really good, dude, 2:50:41.400 --> 2:50:45.280 I don't know what I dropped it. I don't know. 2:50:45.320 --> 2:50:47.840 I watched Landman, I don't know who told me about Lameman, 2:50:47.920 --> 2:50:50.720 and then I saw someone talking about Lioness. Like these 2:50:50.720 --> 2:50:53.600 are two pretty good shows. I like Paramount's content me too. 2:50:54.200 --> 2:50:56.680 I like the t s EU. What else is there 2:50:56.720 --> 2:51:00.360 out right now? What are you watching? I'm watching? 2:51:00.480 --> 2:51:02.640 I'm watching Shrinking here and there a little bit getting 2:51:02.640 --> 2:51:05.760 in there, got good stuff. I need to get into 2:51:05.840 --> 2:51:10.720 land Man, catching up on my blow deck. I want 2:51:10.720 --> 2:51:13.680 to watch that new Salt Lake City selling salt Lake 2:51:14.440 --> 2:51:18.959 on Bravo. Southern Charms back, Baby, you know, I'm deep in. 2:51:19.000 --> 2:51:20.680 That don't even know what that is. 2:51:21.200 --> 2:51:25.800 It's great stuff, really good stuff. What else am I 2:51:25.879 --> 2:51:26.360 rocking with? 2:51:27.200 --> 2:51:27.640 I like this. 2:51:27.879 --> 2:51:31.240 I like Universal, Basic Guys, animation, domination, but we need 2:51:31.240 --> 2:51:33.119 the Great North and we need family guy back. 2:51:33.160 --> 2:51:35.200 Come on now, I've been watching. 2:51:36.040 --> 2:51:38.600 I watched some Christmas stuff recently. Actually, yeah, it has 2:51:38.600 --> 2:51:39.480 to come out movies. 2:51:40.120 --> 2:51:42.760 The thing is, it takes me forever to watch a 2:51:42.840 --> 2:51:46.920 show because I'll start watching my show when I put 2:51:46.920 --> 2:51:53.080 my kid down, and by that time, after being in 2:51:53.120 --> 2:51:56.720 the car three hours the whole day going to soccer practice, 2:51:56.760 --> 2:52:00.640 fucking tutor this that it's like full time thing. I'm done. 2:52:00.879 --> 2:52:03.000 I can never pay attention and I have the tension span. 2:52:03.080 --> 2:52:05.040 So I'm like what, I throw all on my show 2:52:05.480 --> 2:52:07.560 after day and I throw it on a It takes 2:52:07.600 --> 2:52:10.039 me to watch a forty five minute show takes me 2:52:10.160 --> 2:52:10.880 like four nights. 2:52:10.920 --> 2:52:14.920 I'm with you, bro, long days man. Yeah, this Nutcrackers. 2:52:14.920 --> 2:52:15.840 There's new Ben Stealer one. 2:52:15.879 --> 2:52:16.200 I liked it. 2:52:16.120 --> 2:52:18.879 It was really it's a Ben Stealer a Christmas movie. 2:52:18.959 --> 2:52:21.760 Oh yeah, I want to see it. You gotta watch it. 2:52:21.760 --> 2:52:24.680 It's really good watch with Lily Kid. It's in the middle, 2:52:24.720 --> 2:52:25.360 it's right in the middle. 2:52:25.400 --> 2:52:27.400 He's eight now, so she's pretty much adult. 2:52:27.600 --> 2:52:29.720 It's right in the middle. It was Danny McBride. Those 2:52:29.720 --> 2:52:30.480 guys are behind it too. 2:52:30.560 --> 2:52:32.880 Oh my god, I don't know if she's ready. It's good. 2:52:33.560 --> 2:52:39.200 It's like, it's good. He's eight. You're gonna throw like 2:52:39.240 --> 2:52:41.320 there's likely dongs and stuff in this. 2:52:41.520 --> 2:52:44.520 No, no, no, no a soft no, it is not there. 2:52:44.560 --> 2:52:48.199 It's this isn't This isn't Gemstones. This is family friendly 2:52:48.320 --> 2:52:52.280 ish ish. You gotta would frankly you watch what do 2:52:52.280 --> 2:52:52.800 you let you watch? 2:52:52.800 --> 2:52:54.680 Like our stuff? When you're let me they let me 2:52:54.720 --> 2:52:57.880 watch anything. I older brother though, same, oh seven years older. 2:52:58.280 --> 2:53:02.240 It's watching Rambo like three fucking Rocky. 2:53:01.959 --> 2:53:04.760 At one I was going to see like Borat when 2:53:04.760 --> 2:53:10.039 I was like eleven, Like, yeah, expose last one. This 2:53:10.120 --> 2:53:13.560 is a This is kind of crazy, bro, no football 2:53:13.600 --> 2:53:16.120 for a year or break a leg? 2:53:18.800 --> 2:53:21.560 What do you mean? Would so? Would you rather? Would 2:53:21.600 --> 2:53:23.879 you rather have no football for a year if you. 2:53:23.879 --> 2:53:27.080 Just can't watch you can't check scores, can't watch highlights. 2:53:26.760 --> 2:53:29.120 Or have a broken leg. I might like that or 2:53:29.480 --> 2:53:34.720 like break even no not watching football? Oh, I might 2:53:34.959 --> 2:53:37.960 love it. I may take not watching football for one 2:53:38.000 --> 2:53:40.240 year because every time I watch the game, I just 2:53:40.600 --> 2:53:44.480 it's just constant flashbacks and like situational shit. You don't 2:53:44.480 --> 2:53:46.879 even enjoy it. I'm sitting there like, all right, I 2:53:46.879 --> 2:53:50.720 can talk about that. Oh that's fucking terrible. Oh sick 2:53:50.800 --> 2:53:53.880 play reminds me of this play back in this game. 2:53:54.160 --> 2:53:55.920 Like that's what's going through my mind when I'm watching 2:53:55.959 --> 2:53:58.520 these things. That's why when you guys see me watching it, 2:53:58.680 --> 2:54:01.480 like when we watch the the pre cuts and like 2:54:01.680 --> 2:54:03.440 we have a bunch of research for all the you know, 2:54:03.640 --> 2:54:06.760 our guests, I'll sit and I'll watch it and I'll 2:54:06.760 --> 2:54:08.560 tell everyone to shut up. I'm like, yo, I gotta 2:54:09.160 --> 2:54:11.720 one second, please, because I want to hear. I want 2:54:11.760 --> 2:54:13.160 to hear the contact. I want to hear what the 2:54:13.160 --> 2:54:16.160 announcers saying. I want to be involved. I'm so involved. 2:54:16.160 --> 2:54:19.480 I hate it, that's man. I kind of like, so 2:54:19.680 --> 2:54:21.959 this is not even a punishment. This might be the reward. 2:54:22.480 --> 2:54:25.520 People like no football, and I'm so sick of rehab. 2:54:26.080 --> 2:54:29.040 I'm so sick of rehab. I will not fucking I'm 2:54:29.400 --> 2:54:32.480 That's why I get so scared about playing the pickleball 2:54:32.959 --> 2:54:36.080 and like explosive shit, I'm not trying to pull out 2:54:36.120 --> 2:54:39.920 an Achilles, and I've done so much physical therapy. I'm 2:54:39.959 --> 2:54:43.400 so sick of it. Where I could go and live 2:54:43.440 --> 2:54:45.000 a very happy life, I don't have to do that 2:54:45.040 --> 2:54:46.600 no more. But I have to go get my fucking 2:54:46.600 --> 2:54:50.360 shoulder fixed because it's it's hurt. 2:54:51.080 --> 2:54:52.640 I like to imagine you just go off the grid, 2:54:52.680 --> 2:54:56.720 travel Asia all football season, come back chief to one another, 2:54:56.720 --> 2:54:59.080 and you don't care, and you're just a new man. 2:54:59.120 --> 2:55:02.400 You're like you've you've traveled all over Asia. I would 2:55:02.440 --> 2:55:06.760 love all football season, don't even think about ball. Yes, 2:55:06.920 --> 2:55:08.080 that's why I'm envisioning. 2:55:08.200 --> 2:55:10.080 I'm envisioning. I think I need to go live with 2:55:10.080 --> 2:55:15.560 the criminals in China. You know you know how he 2:55:15.600 --> 2:55:18.680 did he not like not China being criminals, but like 2:55:19.080 --> 2:55:24.040 the bad people in China or not China. Where was he? Uh? 2:55:24.360 --> 2:55:32.039 Japan snowy and there's probably Samurai Samurai's Japan, but China still, 2:55:32.080 --> 2:55:35.840 God damn big. It could be China. China is a 2:55:35.920 --> 2:55:40.560 huge country, continent thing, both in population and in land 2:55:40.600 --> 2:55:43.600 masks both. That's why I bet you there's so like 2:55:43.640 --> 2:55:46.240 because they don't really show their ship off. There's like 2:55:47.320 --> 2:55:50.080 I was watching in China. Getting back to the travel, shit. 2:55:51.000 --> 2:55:54.480 There wasn't isn't there like something discovered in China recently, 2:55:54.560 --> 2:55:58.120 Like archaeologists discovered some like crazy shit, but it's hard 2:55:58.160 --> 2:56:00.160 to get any information out of it because China it 2:56:00.160 --> 2:56:02.320 doesn't allow any of the That's what I want to 2:56:02.320 --> 2:56:05.120 go see. I want to go see the the hidden 2:56:05.200 --> 2:56:09.840 shit because China. And it's also fascinating to me that 2:56:09.920 --> 2:56:13.000 like Asian culture is like the oldest culture in the world, 2:56:13.080 --> 2:56:15.720 and we didn't They've been around for thousands and thousands 2:56:15.720 --> 2:56:18.040 of years. We didn't get a ton of like Asian 2:56:18.200 --> 2:56:22.720 history no education either, which is like there are history 2:56:22.800 --> 2:56:25.440 is only like eight hundred years old, five hundred whatever, 2:56:25.600 --> 2:56:28.480 you know, since the sixteen hundred and seventeen hundred Europe 2:56:28.480 --> 2:56:31.959 goes back a couple China, bro, I want to see 2:56:31.959 --> 2:56:33.560 what those artifacts are looking like. 2:56:33.720 --> 2:56:40.400 Yeah, yeah, I'm doing some digging here on these something artifacts. 2:56:41.000 --> 2:56:44.840 Ancient tomb discovery sheds new light on shine origins of 2:56:44.920 --> 2:56:48.560 Chinese civilizations. Over three hundred and fifty artifacts on Earth 2:56:48.640 --> 2:56:51.560 from a five thousand year old tomb is in the 2:56:51.560 --> 2:56:52.560 global times. 2:56:52.360 --> 2:56:57.279 Five thousand years man, Okay, that's before the pharaohs. That's 2:56:58.400 --> 2:57:02.480 no discovered in that Wang for a while. Maybe I 2:57:02.520 --> 2:57:06.160 was way off on that. Yeah, that's wild though there 2:57:06.160 --> 2:57:10.360 were some Egyptian pharaohs happening around that time, five thousand 2:57:10.440 --> 2:57:18.240 years ago. Yeah, but China's been there forever, did you know? 2:57:18.560 --> 2:57:21.000 I think there's something crazy and you huha on this, 2:57:21.400 --> 2:57:28.840 But the Africa's first Well, what's you galley Pinjai Pinjai? 2:57:29.640 --> 2:57:31.560 What is it the one where we were all one 2:57:31.640 --> 2:57:36.000 continent and then it broke up? Pane pinjea pine? Is 2:57:36.000 --> 2:57:41.320 that real? Yeah? Play tectonics? So I have earthquakes Andrea's fault? 2:57:42.240 --> 2:57:45.800 So how many years does that take? One hundred millions? Millions? Yeah, 2:57:45.959 --> 2:57:52.560 millions millions? Yeah? No humans? Is it real? Yeah? Of course? 2:57:52.680 --> 2:57:54.360 Is that you can look look at fossils that are 2:57:54.400 --> 2:57:56.400 like well yeah, because that's why you have a lot 2:57:56.440 --> 2:57:58.960 of the same trees probably from Japan that you have 2:57:59.040 --> 2:58:02.120 in the Bay Area save Francisco, because it probably broke 2:58:02.160 --> 2:58:05.480 off plate tec. I love. I love that kind of 2:58:05.480 --> 2:58:07.680 stuff too. I like some Indiana Jones ship. That's why 2:58:07.760 --> 2:58:08.480 China would be sick. 2:58:08.560 --> 2:58:12.760 You talk about Sandre's fault too, Like southern California or 2:58:12.800 --> 2:58:16.840 western California is not on the same plate as eastern California. 2:58:17.520 --> 2:58:20.600 So like within thousands of years, millions of years, they'll 2:58:20.600 --> 2:58:21.160 be separated. 2:58:21.680 --> 2:58:24.000 That's probably a couple of hundred million years. I don't 2:58:24.000 --> 2:58:27.119 know the exact numbers, but well, we'll all be dead 2:58:27.160 --> 2:58:30.199 by the we'll all be dead. Well, that's another episode 2:58:30.240 --> 2:58:33.440 of games with things manology with. 2:58:33.520 --> 2:58:36.080 Names lates, techtonics. 2:58:36.879 --> 2:58:39.359 Yeah, that's gonna be a six on the Richter scale. 2:58:41.120 --> 2:58:45.440 What a game that was happening. Howie Long, Howie freaking 2:58:45.480 --> 2:58:48.280 a long. How I just never want to disappoint him. 2:58:48.600 --> 2:58:51.000 Neither I was, and q's I don't think you did. 2:58:51.680 --> 2:58:55.760 Yeah, but were we tight enough? Was our operation tight enough? 2:58:55.840 --> 2:58:59.920 I am pretty intuitive on guest vibes and he was down. 2:59:00.760 --> 2:59:06.800 Should you know I should got him, smoothie. I was 2:59:06.800 --> 2:59:10.039 hoping you'd give him I know. I didn't even get 2:59:10.040 --> 2:59:11.840 to tell him that story, but I didn't. I didn't 2:59:11.879 --> 2:59:13.480 know if he wanted that. I didn't want if he 2:59:13.480 --> 2:59:16.119 wanted that story out or to do it physically. Yeah, 2:59:16.120 --> 2:59:18.960 because I don't. Maybe he gave me a look where 2:59:19.640 --> 2:59:24.959 he breaked me with his eyes. I got a mid 2:59:24.959 --> 2:59:26.520 episode thankfully. He was just looking at my hat. I 2:59:26.560 --> 2:59:28.840 was like, oh fuck, Like what did I do? What 2:59:28.879 --> 2:59:31.920 did I do. A photographer came through like real quick. 2:59:31.959 --> 2:59:36.240 I saw him look for a second. Good just a photographer. Hey, 2:59:36.280 --> 2:59:38.160 what do you say? What did he tell Chris every 2:59:38.280 --> 2:59:40.760 every night before the game, keep your head on a 2:59:40.760 --> 2:59:41.959 fucking swivel. 2:59:41.720 --> 2:59:45.000 Don't hang around piles around you get. 2:59:44.840 --> 2:59:48.520 Hurt that way. It's true. Man, Thanks again to Howie. 2:59:48.520 --> 2:59:54.480 That was so fun, amazing legendary Raider and the Raiders. 2:59:54.640 --> 2:59:56.360 I mean without the Raiders, there's no NFL. 2:59:56.640 --> 2:59:59.240 A man, he's a Raider, but he also belongs to football, 2:59:59.360 --> 3:00:02.160 kind of like Randy Moss. Everyone could be a fan 3:00:02.200 --> 3:00:03.480 of how Long. 3:00:05.000 --> 3:00:09.080 Because he transcend, but that's because he's a Raider. Anywhere sketches, 3:00:09.160 --> 3:00:10.640 it's because he was a winning Raider. 3:00:10.680 --> 3:00:12.600 We were talking about like the Raiders. I was gonna 3:00:12.640 --> 3:00:14.520 time in, but I didn't like you're talking about like 3:00:14.520 --> 3:00:16.840 the Raiders for like a Southwestern team. I don't think 3:00:16.920 --> 3:00:19.400 the Raiders are tied to g geography. I think the 3:00:19.480 --> 3:00:22.520 Raiders are tied to like an identity, the like, like 3:00:22.640 --> 3:00:25.039 the hard nose whatever. It doesn't matter if they're in 3:00:25.080 --> 3:00:27.600 Oakland or if they're in Vegas or they're in Los Angeles. 3:00:27.640 --> 3:00:30.080 Being a Raider something that's not tied to where you are, 3:00:30.120 --> 3:00:30.800 it's how you are. 3:00:30.879 --> 3:00:41.760 It's a studio and that's been another episode of Games 3:00:41.760 --> 3:00:44.760 with Names. 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