Speaker 1: What was that movie with Ben A. F flackwork and
Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman Some of all fears, Some of all fears
Speaker 1: he had. There was that kind of fascination with their
Speaker 1: nuclear building. I was always fascinated by the Patriots, and
Speaker 1: it was kind of like the nuclear building. You didn't
Speaker 1: get in there. You know, there are very few people
Speaker 1: that were in there that survived as a broadcaster seeing it. Finally,
Speaker 1: it was like Morgan Freeman getting in the nuclear facility
Speaker 1: with Ben A. F. Flack and then walking out of
Speaker 1: it and thinking, am I gonna get shot here?
Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, They're Jack
Speaker 2: and Kyler, and we're on a mission to find the
Speaker 2: greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we
Speaker 2: are covering Super Bowl eighteen Washington Redskins versus the Los
Speaker 2: Angeles er Er Raiders with Pro Football Hall of Famer
Speaker 2: arguably the most legendary Raider alive, Howie Long. Yes, we
Speaker 2: get into his best Al Davis story. Howard do you
Speaker 2: call me? How do you think it tough? I'm like,
Speaker 2: this kind of game took my answer. What it's like
Speaker 2: to raise two NFL sons credible and have another son
Speaker 2: working in the NFL.
Speaker 1: People don't realize how hard it is as a dad
Speaker 1: to watch those games.
Speaker 2: They're going against each other. Kyle punches Chris and the
Speaker 2: ribs and fractures you bro and his incredible twenty eight
Speaker 2: to three story. I feel like the worst dad in
Speaker 2: the world. And then we wrap it up by bringing
Speaker 2: in a new segment. What's this new segment, Jack, Oh,
Speaker 2: A little something.
Speaker 3: I might put you in my hotzea brother, my Pepper,
Speaker 3: You with some questions, My Pepper, you with some questions.
Speaker 2: So you got to stick around to the very end.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio
Speaker 2: January twenty second, nineteen eighty four, Tampa Stadium in Tampa, Florida.
Speaker 2: Super Bowl eighteen.
Speaker 4: Dog versus the Silver and Black for all the marbles,
Speaker 4: and it was allors.
Speaker 2: This is just one baby. I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names. On today's episode, we have
Speaker 2: a very special guest. Folks. We're gonna be talking about
Speaker 2: Super Bowl eighteen Raiders, those legendary Raiders versus those legendary
Speaker 2: Redskins defending Super Bowl champion Redskins in this game with
Speaker 2: the legend himself coworker, father figure of my network. I
Speaker 2: feel Howie Long, welcome to the studio. I gat to
Speaker 2: be here. I appreciate you coming.
Speaker 1: You've got a great place here for people who are
Speaker 1: watching and wondering what it's like around here. This place
Speaker 1: is you're tucked away up in the end of a
Speaker 1: cul de sac. It's like you're in witness protection. What
Speaker 1: did you do? I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: But did you?
Speaker 2: So? I remember? Actually, let's segue to this. One of
Speaker 2: the first times I started working with Howie, he was
Speaker 2: explaining how he takes a look at all entry ways.
Speaker 2: You were explaining that you're like very survival when you
Speaker 2: sit somewhere, like, did you look at all my exit
Speaker 2: plans of this this culta sac area? Is this safe?
Speaker 1: We're kind of you know, we're dug in here, so
Speaker 1: I mean, if we have to fight our way out,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure you have a reserve here that
Speaker 1: we can tap into.
Speaker 2: Well, got how he will be safe? Right now? Oh?
Speaker 2: You always do?
Speaker 1: You sit in the room and you know it's yeah.
Speaker 1: The guy with the check shirt, he looks like he
Speaker 1: can handle himself. He's maybe two ten, you know, he
Speaker 1: looks like he's still in shape. Maybe he can do
Speaker 1: some things.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like I always say, I remember I I I
Speaker 1: was over in Italy with my wife Diane, and what's
Speaker 1: what's the rapper's name, Kanye Kanye. Kanye comes in and
Speaker 1: he's got a bodyguard that's like maybe six feet fuck nine.
Speaker 1: And I said, that guy, really that scares you because
Speaker 1: if he's six feet in a buck ninety, he knows
Speaker 1: something really good.
Speaker 2: He's a UFC fighter.
Speaker 1: He can he he can do something. And my wife's
Speaker 1: pulling up the camera. I said, look, put the camera down,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, because at first I got to
Speaker 1: knock out the bodyguard and then deal with him.
Speaker 2: It's crazy now that back in the day when you
Speaker 2: guys probably went out, you go to the bar, you
Speaker 2: see a buck ninety guy, You're like, oh, this guy
Speaker 2: is good. Nowadays everybody everyone's a UFC fighter. You're getting
Speaker 2: a chokehold. It's crazy or.
Speaker 1: We've gotten into the you know what's even scarier. What
Speaker 1: just happened in New York? And uh, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a crazy world we're living in. Particularly out here. You're
Speaker 1: on the four or five, there's a million people and
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know what everyone else is going through,
Speaker 1: you know, and you beep your horn. You know, you
Speaker 1: just be a little more patient in traffic. That's what
Speaker 1: I would tell my kids. Yeah, just be a little
Speaker 1: more patient. You never know, you never know.
Speaker 2: So in one sentence, why did you pick Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: This game? Super Bowl eighteen?
Speaker 1: I you know, I think in many ways it mirrored
Speaker 1: kind of the uh I go back to that undefeated
Speaker 1: Patriots team with the Giants. It was kind of like that.
Speaker 1: We were I think nine or ten point underdogs. We
Speaker 1: had lost to them earlier in the year up in Washington.
Speaker 1: I think Marcus missed and Cliff Branch pulled a hamstring.
Speaker 1: I'm giving you these names, like you know, out of
Speaker 1: the archives here, you know, Cliff Branch Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: God rest is so Hall of Famer and great great
Speaker 1: guy slept on my sofa my second year because I
Speaker 1: lived with a guy named Cedric Hartman, who was a
Speaker 1: great pass rusher from the forty nine Ers and the
Speaker 1: Raiders who famously brought in guys, you know, old veteran
Speaker 1: guys that were you know, others would view as being washed,
Speaker 1: and you know, they'd end up contributing to you know,
Speaker 1: great games and championships. And I would say, you know,
Speaker 1: having lost to them up there in Washington, I forget
Speaker 1: the score, thirty five thirty four something like that. I
Speaker 1: had five sacks and we lost, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: it was one of those games where what ended up
Speaker 1: being the difference in the game ironically ended up being
Speaker 1: the kind of nail in the coffin for them. Later
Speaker 1: on in the Super Bowl, where it was second Long
Speaker 1: backed up, it might have been third Long.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And Joe Washington, who was great, great player, Uh, he
Speaker 1: was their change up. Guy Riggins was a hammer. When
Speaker 1: I say hammer, I mean you hit John, You hit John.
Speaker 1: It was like the cartoon thing, and second Long backed up,
Speaker 1: and I think the thought process was we had a
Speaker 1: big backer, Matt Mellon, who was too sixty two fifty.
Speaker 2: Five, a lot like your guys.
Speaker 1: You know, your Bill tended to lean towards big tower,
Speaker 1: big big backers. But you know they Matt would tell
Speaker 1: you I'm not high tower, you know, to put it
Speaker 1: in perspective. I remember one time we were playing San
Speaker 1: Francisco and they were in split backs, you know, full
Speaker 1: back on the tight end side, halfback on the weak
Speaker 1: side and pre snap they flipped them. Matt knew exactly
Speaker 1: what was happening because he's the strong side inside backer.
Speaker 2: Before the ball was.
Speaker 1: Snapped, Matt started to run into coverage out in the
Speaker 1: flat before the ball was snapped because he knew the
Speaker 1: halfback was going to be matched up on him, and
Speaker 1: that's exactly what they did. And he still couldn't get there,
Speaker 1: but you know, it was it was one of those
Speaker 1: physical you know, we watched them on film that year
Speaker 1: and it was a lot like watching i think the Patriots,
Speaker 1: but in a different sense. It was all counters. It
Speaker 1: was all you know, you're taking your shots off the
Speaker 1: counterplay action with a bootleg and Joe thisman and the
Speaker 1: Hogs and the offensive line and we were a good
Speaker 1: you know, styles make fire. It's you know, you always
Speaker 1: hear that term in boxing, and you know physicality. You
Speaker 1: know you have to match that with physicality. It's a
Speaker 1: lot like playing Detroit now, where you know Detroit's real physical.
Speaker 1: You know they're going forward a lot and fourth down,
Speaker 1: he believes that offensive line it's built from, you know,
Speaker 1: their front back and the two backs, power back and
Speaker 1: the scat back and when you looked at them on
Speaker 1: film leading up to the game, I'm like, they're scoring
Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty seven. They set a scoring record that
Speaker 1: lasted until the Randy Moss Chris Carter Minnesota Vikings. Yeah
Speaker 1: what was the points?
Speaker 3: It's thirty four per game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the total total points?
Speaker 3: Oh, let me double check, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they set a record that was wasn't matched
Speaker 1: until that point. And you're looking at my film like
Speaker 1: nobody's stopping them. People you have to be you know,
Speaker 1: and I always say it's like Jimmy Johnson and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys when they ran Lee Joe Garol Moose Johnson.
Speaker 2: Is the full back.
Speaker 1: He'd shuffle off it whether it's dear eye or far
Speaker 1: eye where that fullbacks offset or Moose would shuffle over
Speaker 1: and Moose was just a battering ram. You get a
Speaker 1: double team at the point of attack, and it's not
Speaker 1: the first ten times you play that, it's the eleventh,
Speaker 1: the twelfth, the first team who's gonna blink? And you
Speaker 1: have to get in the right mindset Versus a team
Speaker 1: like Washington because they were so good up front physically,
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Jacobi was you know, he'd block out
Speaker 1: the sun, you know, I mean Russ Graham, great player,
Speaker 1: and Stark and you know May and you know, they
Speaker 1: had a really good players and it was very good.
Speaker 1: And their tight ends were very and this is key,
Speaker 1: you know, you playing with Gronk is is a good example.
Speaker 1: They weren't Gronk, but you know, they were big tight
Speaker 1: ends and they were committed to playing. And it was
Speaker 1: counter sixty six, counter sixty seven, fake counter sixty seven
Speaker 1: with the boot leg out to the left, you know,
Speaker 1: so you had to be committed to it. And I
Speaker 1: think they got off the plane coming down there and
Speaker 1: cam O gear. It was like, okay, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like when Houston. We played Houston in the playoffs. They
Speaker 1: all came in letterman jackets. Remember that letterman jacketson the whole.
Speaker 2: They had a Houston letterman jacket that they made in
Speaker 2: the divisional round to play the page because about that,
Speaker 2: and then they took him home. They watched the game
Speaker 2: the next week. But it was a big you know,
Speaker 2: it's a big deal coming off the plane cargo or
Speaker 2: army unis.
Speaker 1: And the thing is that year I'm twenty three years old,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking, you know, Lester Hayes, Mike Kynes,
Speaker 1: Ted Hendrix, Reggie Kinlaw, Bill mcel Greg Townsend, you know,
Speaker 1: Mike Davis, Van McElroy, you know, Matt Millen. Rob Martin
Speaker 1: was one of the truly big game playing linebackers. He
Speaker 1: was you know, when he put his hands on you.
Speaker 2: You felt it. He was heavy handed.
Speaker 1: People don't realize what heavy handed is. No, not everybody's
Speaker 1: heavy handed.
Speaker 2: Martin was a guy that I felt heavy hands on.
Speaker 2: And I tell the story all the time. Cam Chancellor, Yeah,
Speaker 2: remember that safety Oh godsha. He was like rooted. When
Speaker 2: you go in and have to block that force and
Speaker 2: you just feel, you know what heavy. It feels like
Speaker 2: they're rooted into the ground and they can use the
Speaker 2: force their hand to like just move you. My Kyle
Speaker 2: has that were so it got.
Speaker 1: To a point where, you know, I had to say
Speaker 1: to Kyle, look, stop stop poking me. You know, I mean, he,
Speaker 1: you know, just popped me one time. I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm in the driveway up in Montana. And this was
Speaker 1: years ago, and he was maybe three years in the
Speaker 1: league with the Bears, and you know he's you know,
Speaker 1: up in Montana. You're struggling to find a three technique
Speaker 1: to kind of you know, give him a simulation. So
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I'm stum maybe fifty seven
Speaker 1: fifty eight. You know I can. I'm still running a bit.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you guys put pads on. No no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. This was just kind of a mirror Joe,
Speaker 1: you know, as if you were doing working on releases
Speaker 1: versus A corner was in press coverage and he hit
Speaker 1: me in the ribs so fucking hard, and I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I bitched up so bad, and I just said, don't
Speaker 1: ever fucking touch me again. I mean, because Kyle's three
Speaker 1: point thirty and you know, his hands are like that
Speaker 1: and his forms are like that, and.
Speaker 2: Played pro baseball, got drafted.
Speaker 1: He got drafted by the White Sox, went down to
Speaker 1: Florida State.
Speaker 2: So Kyle and I, for you guys out there, Kyle
Speaker 2: and I became close when he was coming out for
Speaker 2: the draft. He was training for his draft at Exos
Speaker 2: here in LA, and I couldn't believe he was a
Speaker 2: fucking picture. First off, he's like six six, three hundred
Speaker 2: pounds at the time, and I think he was like
Speaker 2: maybe three thirty three twenty. But the thing that impressed
Speaker 2: me the most with them was when we would do
Speaker 2: our ladder drill. He had amazing quick fucking feet for
Speaker 2: a guy that was three thirty six six, I mean
Speaker 2: he was He was a cool dude. And I mean,
Speaker 2: if you think of the kids that Howie Long would
Speaker 2: have if you pictured that, that's what he had. Like
Speaker 2: with what you made, you think, like you have a
Speaker 2: Kyle who's a fucking just thumper, and then you have
Speaker 2: Chris who's kind of a little smaller but like rat
Speaker 2: athletic crazy, Like he reminded me of you. You guys
Speaker 2: look alike on the field when I watch all your film, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like your bottom end from the pants. I was like, man,
Speaker 2: you guys walk the same. It's it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, genetically, and you see it with other players that
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, are sons of and you know you
Speaker 1: see it. It's just and you know we didn't push football.
Speaker 1: So but that getting back to the eighteen you know
Speaker 1: game down there in Tampa Bay at twenty three, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know what's so hard about this is easy? I
Speaker 1: mean you won multiple times. I mean it's with this group.
Speaker 1: You know Plunkt, Marcus Allen, you know Henry Lawrence. You know,
Speaker 1: it's we're pretty good Todd Christensen wide receivers and you know,
Speaker 1: Cliff Branch and the whole thing. And it just goes
Speaker 1: to show you just you just don't know and so
Speaker 1: much you know, from the top down to the bottom.
Speaker 1: You know the changes, and you know it's whether it's
Speaker 1: coaching or you know, it's it's subtle changes with scheme.
Speaker 1: Somebody else comes in and you know, you know, three
Speaker 1: days in the guy in the front of the room
Speaker 1: doesn't know what the hell he's doing, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's when you when you've had great coaching early on,
Speaker 1: and Earl Leggott was ear legg It brought me up.
Speaker 1: He brought Michael Strahan up. We brought both of us up.
Speaker 1: So Michael Strahan and I look at the game very similar,
Speaker 1: we really do. And you know, approach, mindset, preparation. You know,
Speaker 1: we do forty five updowns in individual period. Everyone on
Speaker 1: the other units would watch us, and then we had
Speaker 1: to run. We run the small field to the side
Speaker 1: and we had to run to inside.
Speaker 2: Run.
Speaker 1: You know, I tell Greg Townshend, I said, look it's inside. Run,
Speaker 1: it's going inside. It's going inside.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Inside. Let's get tough. This eperiod. Now, is this the
Speaker 2: greatest game of all time?
Speaker 1: You know, your game, your game in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: when Chris played for the Patriots, it was so improbable
Speaker 1: in so many ways.
Speaker 2: Same halftime scores, yours another way improbable.
Speaker 1: And you know the irony of that is that you know,
Speaker 1: Chris played, and you know and listen Saint Louis Rams.
Speaker 1: You know, they had to run with, you know, the
Speaker 1: greatest show on turf, and it was great. Then when
Speaker 1: the team is bad and they're winning three games, three games,
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have thirteen fourteen sacks and be
Speaker 1: you're essentially in the witness protection program. Yeah, because it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a I say, it's a dimli
Speaker 1: of the mall because the stadium was not the greatest stadium,
Speaker 1: and it had that kind of you know, some indoor
Speaker 1: stadiums are kind of cheap.
Speaker 2: Eid felt cheap, like cheap light cheap. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was just poorly lit and I never played there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was emblematic of you know, if if a tree
Speaker 1: falls in the woods and there's nobody there to hear,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a sound. Then when you get fourteen
Speaker 1: sacks there, So Chris was kind of wasting away. He
Speaker 1: was making good money and signed a second deal. And
Speaker 1: don't forget you know, I mean Jared Goff started out
Speaker 1: you know there and then transitioned to McVeigh and had
Speaker 1: the run in the super Bowl and then falls out
Speaker 1: of grace there and goes to Detroit and now he's
Speaker 1: back again. The trajectory of his career is amazing. But
Speaker 1: when he became a you know, he gets released there
Speaker 1: he had pops a ten in his ankle and uh
Speaker 1: played uh shorter than he should have played. He should
Speaker 1: have should have waited six seven weeks instead, you know,
Speaker 1: four or five weeks. And he I could see he
Speaker 1: was limping when we would do drills. He sent me
Speaker 1: film of him getting off on the ball and I
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't right. But you know, do I say
Speaker 1: that to him? And I and I didn't, and he
Speaker 1: came back and played her.
Speaker 2: You didn't say it to him because you thought it
Speaker 2: would hurt his confidence.
Speaker 1: It's a weird position to be in. I know, visually
Speaker 1: that's not him, uh, but you know he was. Chris.
Speaker 1: Chris is that guy you have to kill like you,
Speaker 1: you know, probably more mindset like you. Probably guy you
Speaker 1: have to kill if you're gonna go, you got to
Speaker 1: kill him. And what ends up happening is he gets
Speaker 1: you know, he gets released. So he's a free agent,
Speaker 1: and you know, there were certain teams that he looked at.
Speaker 1: He looked at Dallas, New England, Atlanta. I think there
Speaker 1: were a couple other teams, and I think he took
Speaker 1: a trip down to Atlanta and really liked the head coach.
Speaker 2: When I mean that's he's a good coach. They were,
Speaker 2: they were rolling that year.
Speaker 1: Really really liked him and like what they were doing.
Speaker 1: And you know, then he's driving a Richmond airport to
Speaker 1: get on a flight down to Dallas and who calls Bill.
Speaker 1: There's a sound thing that happened. You know, it's his
Speaker 1: trumpets from heaven when Bill calls, and you know, Bill
Speaker 1: gets on the phone and you know that voice, and
Speaker 1: you know, my point to him was, at this point,
Speaker 1: you've made all this money, you know, why are you playing?
Speaker 1: And you know he talks about championships and you know,
Speaker 1: I said to me, it's like, you know, how many
Speaker 1: how many division, how many conference championship games have they've
Speaker 1: been in? How many Super Bowls they've been in? Look
Speaker 1: at the roster, look at the quarterback, look at the
Speaker 1: head coach. Now when you go there, as you know,
Speaker 1: particularly on defense, it's tough. It's tough because a lot
Speaker 1: of times you're playing out of position. The scheme doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily fit unless he's the left side outside linebackers that
Speaker 1: what he is. He rarely got the opportunity to do that,
Speaker 1: and I think that was frustrating. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 1: he made the most of his opportunities. And you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of I didn't push him there, but I certainly,
Speaker 1: you know, understood the value of if you want to
Speaker 1: win a championship, this place maybe gives you the best chance.
Speaker 1: So here I am. I can't help you with your
Speaker 1: biology homework. I can't help you with your trigonometry, but
Speaker 1: I think I.
Speaker 2: Can help you with footb You can help with flip.
Speaker 1: I mean, I coached eight years in high school and
Speaker 1: you know, did all that and wanted them to have
Speaker 1: the foundation of football. And here is the biggest decision
Speaker 1: he has to make, because you don't make the decision
Speaker 1: on where you go in the draft. And he goes
Speaker 1: to Saint Louis at the second pick, and you know
Speaker 1: his fade is sealed. So my thing was and we're
Speaker 1: covering the game, which and I was fine during the week.
Speaker 1: When we walked in the stadium on game day, it
Speaker 1: kind of hit me. And I've never had that feeling,
Speaker 1: you know, even as a player. You know, you kind
Speaker 1: of knew the moment before. The moment of impact as
Speaker 1: a player, to me was always the worst. I wanted
Speaker 1: to get hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, clear, it focuses you up, and you know you're nervous.
Speaker 2: You get hit, you're in a fight, and let's go.
Speaker 2: That's I always like to get a hit. That's why
Speaker 2: in my first play always, if it was a run play,
Speaker 2: I was going on to thump that safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and first play was so important, particularly in a
Speaker 1: three man front when you're playing in the two gap scheme,
Speaker 1: and I mean a true two gap scheme. You know
Speaker 1: you're sit, squat and catching. It's a linebacker defense. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the irony was our defensive line was, you know, the
Speaker 1: strength of the team.
Speaker 2: But we played. We had to get the third down
Speaker 2: to get in that. So here we are.
Speaker 1: I walk into the stadium and it's the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Fox is covering. He got the pregame. It's four or
Speaker 1: five hours long. You know, we've got our own as
Speaker 1: you know now as a as a broadcaster, there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot going on, a lot going on, a lot
Speaker 1: going on. There's thirty two sections, and you know, what
Speaker 1: are we talking? What's the order? You know, who's talking about?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Et cetera. Because you don't want to be redundant and
Speaker 2: you want to be on.
Speaker 1: Top of it. But this hits me. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's Usher, who is there during the day.
Speaker 1: He kind of had had his kind of all all
Speaker 1: access pass into our green room and everything else. He's
Speaker 1: a huge Atlanta fan and you know, which is great.
Speaker 1: And he's a really nice guy. And I want to
Speaker 1: say that upfront, he's a really nice guy. But here
Speaker 1: we are, it's twenty eight to three in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: and I'm standing next to Terry and I get kind
Speaker 1: of quiet. When I get quiet, it's never good. And
Speaker 1: I'm quiet, and and Terry knows I'm you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like the worst dad in the world. I push
Speaker 1: this kid. Now, he makes his own decisions. He's a
Speaker 1: grown man. He makes his own decisions. But I certainly
Speaker 1: played a part in you know, him going to New
Speaker 1: England over Atlanta and it's over Atlanta and it's twenty
Speaker 1: eight to three, and I'm the worst dad in the world.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt. And Terry says to me, like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like Forrest Gumpy just said, don't worry,
Speaker 1: little buddy. Tom's gonna throw it all over the yard
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be fine. It's gonna be the greatest
Speaker 1: comeback in Super Bowl history. And I'm like this, You're
Speaker 1: out of your freaking mind.
Speaker 2: You're out of your mind, Terry.
Speaker 1: And then you know, I would I would say the
Speaker 1: giant catch was the most improbable catch. I think your
Speaker 1: catch was the most amazing catch I've seen. And seriously,
Speaker 1: I mean I was there. I'm looking at him like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that just happened, and I'm looking for
Speaker 1: the review to see if your hand's under it, and
Speaker 1: and it was just the sequence of things that had
Speaker 1: to happen, including Chris getting a holding call down down
Speaker 1: on It was like first and then it.
Speaker 2: Goes to first, and then they decided to throw it,
Speaker 2: and then we got to throw it. What if you
Speaker 2: run the ball three times, it would have been a
Speaker 2: fieldbal position.
Speaker 1: Your field goal game's over, You're winning the Trophy. You know,
Speaker 1: thank you, but you know, certainly not from a game
Speaker 1: management standpoint, situational football. And you know, I think you
Speaker 1: know the head coach probably you know, it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where it's like the Chicago game a couple.
Speaker 2: Of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: You know, it's he's gone and yeah, and you don't
Speaker 1: make that decision and uh, that.
Speaker 2: Was completely the eb refluse. That's malpractice. Yeah, I mean this.
Speaker 1: Regardless of what's going on. And you wonder what's the
Speaker 1: coordinator saying to Williams in his headset and you know,
Speaker 1: what's he telling him and.
Speaker 2: He's checking a play. Yeah, just the clock's running down.
Speaker 2: The fact that they have never it seems so foreign
Speaker 2: to them that they haven't gone over this type of situation.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of there's a lot of there
Speaker 1: was a lot of turnover there and you know, voices,
Speaker 1: and it's a young ki. He's a rookie. Now he's
Speaker 1: played a lot of snaps in college. But you know,
Speaker 1: to start a drive at the one yard line and
Speaker 1: to be in field goal range immediately, I forget the
Speaker 1: exact twenty one or twenty two or whatever it was
Speaker 1: in the sack and well, the first first play is
Speaker 1: a penalty, I think hands to the face. Second play
Speaker 1: is you know, you take a sack and you can't
Speaker 1: take a sack and you know, and you can't go
Speaker 1: through this in a pregame because you don't have the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't change your play when you have
Speaker 2: the like. That was the That was the thing with Caleb.
Speaker 2: That was his fault of the whole thing. First off,
Speaker 2: it's the coach's fault. Yeah, this is you gotta you
Speaker 2: see that. No one knows what's going on. That's what
Speaker 2: you're evaluating as a coach on the sideline. It's still players.
Speaker 2: Let's let's do that. But then secondly, Caleb, you can't
Speaker 2: change the play when there's only this minute. He changed
Speaker 2: the play at the last second. You see, he tried
Speaker 2: to audible.
Speaker 1: So to get back to the the improbable, I mean
Speaker 1: when I say improbable, there were so many things that
Speaker 1: had to happen in that half and and everything, including
Speaker 1: the two point conversion, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2: It was amazing and we put him five for that game.
Speaker 2: It was amazing.
Speaker 1: And I and I remember, you know, Chris came on
Speaker 1: the set and Diane was there, and you know, the
Speaker 1: boys were there. Kyle had a tendon surgery and he
Speaker 1: was limping around, and uh, you know, just it was
Speaker 1: one of those kind of you know moments that you know,
Speaker 1: was a polaroid in your head, and you know, and
Speaker 1: and we go back to the hotel and I remember,
Speaker 1: I'm still in disbelief and Usher who had been yelling,
Speaker 1: you know, after halftime in our green room, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, falcons, falcons screaming and yelling, and in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm punching him in the face. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in the corner. I'm quiet. And he's a good guy.
Speaker 1: I got nothing wrong with being a fan, and he
Speaker 1: probably had no idea that you know, he didn't put
Speaker 1: two and two together, but you know, not the place
Speaker 1: to be yelling.
Speaker 2: But here we are.
Speaker 1: I'm We go back to the hotel and I remember
Speaker 1: it like it was yesterday, and the family's there, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's one in the morning and you can't
Speaker 1: get room service. I tucked him in the sending us
Speaker 1: some burgers down the lobby, and we're sitting around having burgers.
Speaker 1: And I go back up to the room, finding it
Speaker 1: like four in the morning and the game was being
Speaker 1: replayed on NFL Network, and I had to watch it
Speaker 1: like it, did this really happen? And I was almost
Speaker 1: my poor wife's dead asleep, and I'm watching NFL Network
Speaker 1: replay at the Super Bowl and I'm watching it again
Speaker 1: to say this really happened. And you know, of course
Speaker 1: Chris goes to Philadelphia the next year and does it again,
Speaker 1: and you know it's a it's another barn Burner game
Speaker 1: versus New England.
Speaker 2: What would the average what was the average win? Our
Speaker 2: biggest our biggest win total was eighteen when we went
Speaker 2: by ten points against the Rams. Yeah, it's usually always
Speaker 2: been four three three four, yep, you know, but that's
Speaker 2: how we wanted to play the game. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 2: Bill wanted. He wanted to control the game.
Speaker 1: But you have to be really, really confident in your
Speaker 1: ability to run situational football, to play that kind of
Speaker 1: a game without a guest. Every possession, every first down,
Speaker 1: every punt, every field goal, every kickoff is important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you can't turn the ball over. You can't.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that can't go wrong.
Speaker 2: Without a doubt. I mean that that I did the
Speaker 2: same thing like three years later and just watched that game. Like,
Speaker 2: when I retired, I saw that game for the first
Speaker 2: time TV copy. I don't think I've ever watched our
Speaker 2: super Bowl front exactly.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 2: You don't watch him, Yeah, but it was on and
Speaker 2: I was sitting there like, how the fuck did we
Speaker 2: win this game? Like everything had to happen and it
Speaker 2: was point zero zero, zero zero one chance of winning.
Speaker 2: But for you this, you know, we're talking about super
Speaker 2: Bowl eighteen right now, we're discussing super Bowl forty or
Speaker 2: fifty one. Your first super Bowl was this. This is
Speaker 2: your son's first super Bowl. Way better, Way better, your son.
Speaker 1: It's so much you know, listen, you have a daughter, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know when when our kids had you know,
Speaker 1: now Kyle has kids and Chris has kids. I think
Speaker 1: there's more of an understanding. You think you know, but
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're willing to do for your kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, jump in front. I always used to say
Speaker 1: to them when you know, they were younger, at the
Speaker 1: kitchen table, I said, look look around the table. These
Speaker 1: are the people who are going to jump in front
Speaker 1: of a bus for you. You know, nobody else is.
Speaker 1: You might think they are, but they're not. Yea and understandably,
Speaker 1: and it's important to know and you know, to watch
Speaker 1: your kids have any.
Speaker 2: Success, whether it's high school, college.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm watching my grandsons now play flag football,
Speaker 1: and it's it's different, it's more and it's more enjoyable
Speaker 1: because I can, yeah, because I can just have fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I love those boys so much. And my perspective
Speaker 1: at sixty four is so much different than it was
Speaker 1: when I was twenty five through thirty five raising kids
Speaker 1: and playing football, and then after that at Fox and
Speaker 1: you know, getting back to get the team stretch on
Speaker 1: Monday to coach high school football. But it's way better.
Speaker 1: The Super Bowl is way better. I don't. I think
Speaker 1: more about those Super Bowls than than anything I ever did.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 2: Now, did you say anything special to Chris before the
Speaker 2: game or did you guys have a moment, because you know,
Speaker 2: my parents and my family went ever before a game.
Speaker 2: They knew Friday after that I was zero, dark thirty,
Speaker 2: I was gone, you know, like I had my routine.
Speaker 2: Friday was our day. My dad would you know that
Speaker 2: that was the thing. But for you and your family,
Speaker 2: you played in this game. You know how the magnitude
Speaker 2: of this game you know, the nerves, that anxiousness that
Speaker 2: all the guys feel before this game, two weeks of media,
Speaker 2: all this bullshit, the hoopla. Was there anything that you
Speaker 2: just said to Chris that like before the game that
Speaker 2: you remember, you know the things I always you know
Speaker 2: kind of And I don't know if this specific thing
Speaker 2: that you know I texted him or said, but I
Speaker 2: would always you know, Kyle.
Speaker 1: It was because if you played defense, you probably understand
Speaker 1: offense a little bit more, you know. It wasn't until
Speaker 1: year seven I didn't realize. One formation that bothered me
Speaker 1: was DOT two tight ends balanced formation, one back in
Speaker 1: the backfield, quarterback under center, and I and when you're
Speaker 1: in a two gap scheme, the first step is everything.
Speaker 1: You have to mirror that tackles first step.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I never had a bead on where they were
Speaker 1: going with the ball other than well, that tight end
Speaker 1: is bigger than that tight end. If they're going to
Speaker 1: run the ball, chance I was going to run the
Speaker 1: ball over here or if if if they're not, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a counter O T tight end, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the tight end and the tackle pulling.
Speaker 2: What I would say was I'd look.
Speaker 1: At the last three games, and I'd kind of go
Speaker 1: through formations and things, and I'd say to Kyle, you know,
Speaker 1: when he was in college playing at Oregon, because he
Speaker 1: you know, he played six games in college, gets drafted in.
Speaker 2: The first round. Yeah, all pro his first three years.
Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't happen exacually when you take a
Speaker 1: year off and you're working in a surf shop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's, you know, a specimen.
Speaker 1: He's a freak show. And you know people have that
Speaker 1: like God comes down and puts his hand on your
Speaker 1: shoulder and says, you're gifted.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do with it?
Speaker 1: Whereas Chris Grinder grinder grinder, and you know, my thing was,
Speaker 1: you know, head on a swivel, don't stand around piles.
Speaker 1: And there were certain formations and things that were I
Speaker 1: felt were pertinent and tells. You know, I'd say, Kyle,
Speaker 1: look if that that defensive end and the three men
Speaker 1: front reduces down to a three technique and they walk
Speaker 1: the safety up, the slot's coming, and he'd say, under
Speaker 1: what's that?
Speaker 2: Kyle didn't even know what under was. Gren Fire was
Speaker 2: like they do you know what Nickel defense was?
Speaker 1: Until you know what his thing was, and It made
Speaker 1: sense because kylein played very little football in college, and
Speaker 1: you know in Oregon they ran to play every seventeen seconds.
Speaker 1: He said, look, Pop, they were on a play every
Speaker 1: seventeen seconds. I'm just looking for somebody to hit. And
Speaker 1: that's what he did, and it was in the direction
Speaker 1: of where the play was going. And it makes that
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, we're looking at micro, not macro.
Speaker 1: We're looking at you know, the here and now I'm
Speaker 1: pretty much sure I'm gonna block this guy and just
Speaker 1: go there because you run a play for seventeen seconds.
Speaker 1: Whereas Chris was you know, he knew and he looked
Speaker 1: at things and he approached the game differently, whereas Kyle's like,
Speaker 1: I just line up and you know, I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to whip the guy in front of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean offensive line. That's that's kind of like
Speaker 2: an offensive line mentality, though, I you know, it's foreigner.
Speaker 2: They're different. They're different because you're a deep, you're a guy.
Speaker 2: It's foreign to the hogs man. They Yeah, they have
Speaker 2: their own they have their own little language. They sit
Speaker 2: and they have their own area in the locker room.
Speaker 2: They're always you know, the guys that just yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: fucking go do this right now, let's lay you met him,
Speaker 2: let's go get to the backer. But watching them play
Speaker 2: was far more.
Speaker 1: You know, for example, i'd be I'd be the studio
Speaker 1: at Fox, and you know Kyle and Chris. You know,
Speaker 1: there'll be games where they were playing simultaneously. Mike, Mike,
Speaker 1: Michael Straham was kind enough to you know, we're doing
Speaker 1: the pregame, we're in the pre game, we're doing or
Speaker 1: we're in the postgame. Really we're at halftime. Let's say
Speaker 1: we're at halftime in another game in another market, and
Speaker 1: you know, Michael would put on Kyle's game and I'd
Speaker 1: have Chris's game, or vice versas. And the only time
Speaker 1: it was really challenging is when they were both taking
Speaker 1: a snap at the same time. It's like, Okay, which
Speaker 1: one needs me more? I think in my head, what's
Speaker 1: the matchup? No, it all depends situational, situational ones, injured
Speaker 1: ones not. You know, he could take care of it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's whatever.
Speaker 2: Lane, he needs me a little more here, Yes, Kyle's
Speaker 2: going against this guy.
Speaker 1: Right And and that was the way it went. So
Speaker 1: it was Sunday's are as. You know, It's like it's
Speaker 1: kind of like digging it. I'd be less tired on
Speaker 1: Sunday night digging a ditch than I am doing you know,
Speaker 1: five am to five pm on TV.
Speaker 2: It's mentally exhausted.
Speaker 1: Go go, go go, because you're you know, you're thinking,
Speaker 1: you're and the night before you never sleep good because
Speaker 1: you're always going through in your head. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like playing, but there's nobody's hitting you, without a doubt.
Speaker 1: But it's the same kind of feeling. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's the one thing you get, you know when I
Speaker 1: say when when you're done with football, the one the
Speaker 1: one benefit of being in a studio and doing this.
Speaker 1: And I know you feel the same way. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know you and Woody and you know you just
Speaker 1: it's a camaraderie. It's it's without the hitting.
Speaker 2: You know what. I always say this, It's been so
Speaker 2: great to get to work with you guys and Fox
Speaker 2: because it gives you the taste of football. It gives
Speaker 2: you a team to work with.
Speaker 1: My friend, you have no idea of Fox is yeah,
Speaker 1: Foxes and this is just me. I haven't been anywhere else,
Speaker 1: but I know a lot of people and other places.
Speaker 1: Fox is here and everybody else is here in terms
Speaker 1: of talent, how you're treated, you know, the day to
Speaker 1: day kind of function, the respects you know, and.
Speaker 2: Even the people behind the camera, like everyone's it's it
Speaker 2: seems it reminds me of a lot of how our
Speaker 2: organization was. Like we always had relationships with the equipment staff,
Speaker 2: the lunch ladies. Everyone had their job and it's all
Speaker 2: for us to go out and perform our best on
Speaker 2: Sunday for one hour to get the best content. And
Speaker 2: that's what I like about it. It reminds me of
Speaker 2: football because you work with the group and you're all
Speaker 2: doing something to try to get an output top to bottom,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And I think it starts at the top, and it
Speaker 1: started with David Hill and you know now it's Eric
Speaker 1: Shanks and you know Brad and you know that whole group.
Speaker 1: They set the tone. And I've been there thirty one years.
Speaker 1: Yeah at the beginning, yeah, beginning, and when it was
Speaker 1: a blank sheet of paper and an idea, you know,
Speaker 1: and here we are making it up on the go,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, trying to figure each other out,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think when you're working with people
Speaker 1: particularly in a in a studio setting on air, you know,
Speaker 1: the biggest kind of reference I can make, as I'd say,
Speaker 1: never lift yourself up at the expense of someone else.
Speaker 1: You know, respect the person next to you and know
Speaker 1: where their comfort level is. I you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know where your line is, but I would know where
Speaker 1: your line is. I don't cross that line. You know,
Speaker 1: I know where you're what's important to you, what what
Speaker 1: would embarrass you or what would make you uncomfortable. And
Speaker 1: you know, Terry and I had to figure that out
Speaker 1: early on, and we did and we couldn't be any
Speaker 1: more less alike, you know, I mean, you know Boston Catholic,
Speaker 1: you know Louisiana, you know Baptists, you know quarterback, defensive
Speaker 1: line and Steeler Raider. You know, he's We're just so different,
Speaker 1: but he's the brother I never had, and we're as
Speaker 1: close as could be. You know, the corny jokes and
Speaker 1: you know he's singing in Branson, Missouri.
Speaker 2: Just book a twenty twenty show. Deal with the We
Speaker 2: talk about that. It's hilarious, and you know, it's really
Speaker 2: fun because at work when we go Sunday, you can
Speaker 2: see what guy what everyone was in the locker room,
Speaker 2: and you forget like that we are not part of
Speaker 2: the same generations, and you feel like it's the locker room.
Speaker 2: Like I can see how how he was in the
Speaker 2: locker room. I can see how Michael was in the
Speaker 2: locker room. You can see how Mike Vick was in
Speaker 2: the locker room. You can see how you know how
Speaker 2: everyone's in the locker room through their personality. And it's
Speaker 2: fun because it makes you feel like you're in the
Speaker 2: locker room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's and that's a thing that you know.
Speaker 1: And I say, look, it's like I said to Kyle
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, Look, if you stay in
Speaker 1: shape and you present younger than you are, and you
Speaker 1: know your stuff and you work hard at this, you
Speaker 1: can do it for a long time. If you're you know, comfortable.
Speaker 1: I don't even know we're on camera. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: at the point in life where you know, I'm so
Speaker 1: comfortable it doesn't really bother me. I wish I could
Speaker 1: be this comfortable thirty years ago, you know. And kids
Speaker 1: do that and you don't realize the impact that having
Speaker 1: a kid has on you, and you know the responsibility
Speaker 1: that goes with it. But also what you'd be willing
Speaker 1: to do to protect that kid. And having three sons
Speaker 1: and watching the grand kids. Now it's you know, I'm blessed.
Speaker 1: You know, I really am to be. It a great
Speaker 1: place to work. I've been with two organizations for forty
Speaker 1: four years. Think about that. I've been a two organizations
Speaker 1: for forty four years.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: And you know I don't plan on being anywhere else.
Speaker 1: And ride off into the sunset and head up to Montana.
Speaker 2: Now, we were all talking before you came here, and
Speaker 2: I had you by the way. I'll just let you
Speaker 2: know in Prime with the Fox crew King of the Hill,
Speaker 2: who's winning and everyone's in their prime? What does King
Speaker 2: of the Hill mean? Last man standing? Last man standing
Speaker 2: to death? You got to kill Michael and Mike that
Speaker 2: that was the one that was scary because.
Speaker 1: You got to kill Michael. You know, if I can
Speaker 1: get you know, Mike Michaels. We always talk about this,
Speaker 1: calling me a defensive ends like putting a ribbon on
Speaker 1: a pig. You know, I'm I mean, the closer I
Speaker 1: got to the ball, the better I was. If if
Speaker 1: if it's a fight, what's the smallest ring you can
Speaker 1: get in? Whatever the smallest ring is I want you
Speaker 1: in that because if I can get you in a
Speaker 1: phone booth, you know, I got a shot and Michael,
Speaker 1: you know length and you know he's hees kind of
Speaker 1: you know, looks like Ali. He's got that kind of length.
Speaker 1: And you know me, I'm I want I want inside.
Speaker 1: I want to you know, hands around neck, you know
Speaker 1: that kind of hands around, hands around. So I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, weight class. You know, big truck beats little truck.
Speaker 1: If you're in shape, you know, you've got to be
Speaker 1: in shape. You gotta be the little guy. Can dance
Speaker 1: around for a while, you get kind of tired and
Speaker 1: bang bang bang bang. I always watch what's Terry doing
Speaker 1: this thing?
Speaker 2: During this what.
Speaker 1: Terry is though interest he taps up, you know. But
Speaker 1: it's funny because I watch boxing reels a lot.
Speaker 2: Uh and you know.
Speaker 1: Hearns Hagler Geez's greatest round. If if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: watch it and you know any of those fights in
Speaker 1: those days.
Speaker 2: Uh, we had Haggler come to us and we watched
Speaker 2: that or was it hearns who's the Brockton guy? That's
Speaker 2: that's Hagler. We had Haggler come and he lives in Italy, right,
Speaker 2: he lassay, but he lived in Italy. Came back, he
Speaker 2: talked to us and we watched that first round with them.
Speaker 1: Best jaw in boxing, I mean talk about fighting Tommy
Speaker 1: Hearns and Hagler through more impact punches in a short
Speaker 1: period of time than I've ever seen in.
Speaker 2: A boxing ring.
Speaker 1: You see it in a you know, one oh five,
Speaker 1: one ten, Yeah, but not in the middleweight you know,
Speaker 1: from the middleweight up in the middleweight class. You know,
Speaker 1: it was it was a great class. But I watched
Speaker 1: those and I you know, it's it's like anything else.
Speaker 1: It's like I I like, I said, how you play
Speaker 1: the lead Joe grow the counter the first ten twelve
Speaker 1: times is inconsequential to me? It's eleventh, the fifteenth, sixteenth,
Speaker 1: seventeenth time.
Speaker 2: Do you blink? You know?
Speaker 1: Are you are you still bringing it? How you play
Speaker 1: at the end of game when they're running out the
Speaker 1: clock and you're down fourteen? You know, I want to
Speaker 1: That's when I want to see you on film.
Speaker 2: When when she's hitting the fan, that's who you, the
Speaker 2: real person comes out.
Speaker 1: It's inconsequential. You're not going to win, and you know,
Speaker 1: but what I'm doing. Is someone's looking at this film,
Speaker 1: you know, the next three opponents are looking at this film,
Speaker 1: and you just want to you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get hooked. I don't want to give ground. You know,
Speaker 1: every blade of grasp, every inch of end of a play, push,
Speaker 1: it's it's inconsequential, but it's it's something. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I always watch this Kingdom of Heaven. It's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what Heaven.
Speaker 1: It's all about Jerusalem and Salahideen is is the Syrian
Speaker 1: you know there there he's the general. Yeah, you know, famous,
Speaker 1: famous leader, and this this kind of English group or
Speaker 1: from Britain or you know whatever it was at that
Speaker 1: point as Jerusalem shifted hands multiple times, you know it
Speaker 1: was Syrian and it was you know, Britain, you know,
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of England, you know whatever. And there's this
Speaker 1: one improbable leader of and he holds the army off there,
Speaker 1: outnumbered a gazillion to one. And you know there's one
Speaker 1: area in the wall that's the weak spot and he
Speaker 1: knows that and he's tried to reinforce it although their
Speaker 1: numbers are down. But when you have to funnel when
Speaker 1: you're down three thousand to one hundred, you funnel it
Speaker 1: into a small group and you're really you're fighting. Then
Speaker 1: you're fighting an abbreviated portion. And they made their stand there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it got to the point where it was a
Speaker 1: standstill in there, you know the dead that the count
Speaker 1: of the dead outside and inside of the of Jerusalem
Speaker 1: was astronomical. And they they kind of make a parley.
Speaker 1: They you know, they say, I'll ride out meet you.
Speaker 1: You write on me and me and they agree to
Speaker 1: terms of if you give up Jerusalem, I will give
Speaker 1: you and all of your women and children safe passage
Speaker 1: to the water. And and he said, well, how do
Speaker 1: I know you do? I said, I am Saladin. That's
Speaker 1: how you know, because I'm not the previous people. When
Speaker 1: I give you my word, I give you my word.
Speaker 1: As he's walking away, the the the leader from England says,
Speaker 1: or you know, great Britain, whatever it is, says, what
Speaker 1: is what does what's Jerusalem worth? He turns and he
Speaker 1: says nothing, And he starts to walk away, pauses, turns
Speaker 1: around and says, everything. That's that last blade of grass,
Speaker 1: that's that last shove.
Speaker 2: At the end of a play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if you're giving up three inches four inches,
Speaker 1: it's something, is that not?
Speaker 2: That's the most raider answer. That's just like raider commitment
Speaker 2: to excellence. Well, it's ear late, you know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's and Michael would say the same thing, you know,
Speaker 1: because if you talk to Michael, you'll hear the same
Speaker 1: things probably that you hear from me. We were brought
Speaker 1: up the same way. If I got hooked, if I
Speaker 1: gave ground, you know, if we lost, and you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't look good. I didn't look good, you know.
Speaker 1: I I couldn't live with it. I didn't go to
Speaker 1: a seven eleven, the jersey thing at the end of games, handshaking,
Speaker 1: the communicating on Instagram. I didn't talk to John Elway
Speaker 1: until I retired, Yeah, because I wasn't my job to
Speaker 1: be friends with John Elway.
Speaker 2: That's how it wasn't they and to Tom's very vocal
Speaker 2: with that nowadays on how he was with his career.
Speaker 2: That's just that's kind of a newer thing that's been happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's fine, you know, It's it's like anything else.
Speaker 1: Times change and times change.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not judging them. It's just things were different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how was working with John Madden being a raider. He's
Speaker 2: a raider. He was great.
Speaker 1: John's he was brilliant. When you think about John, I
Speaker 1: think John when he finished with the Raiders, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got he probably interviewed for with Networks with a
Speaker 1: stained shirt from a hot dog, you know, and how
Speaker 1: you kind.
Speaker 2: Of authentically him.
Speaker 1: How do you see that translating to broadcasting that's been
Speaker 1: done in a really tight window of performance. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a stereotypical broadcaster. And that's what I thought when
Speaker 1: I came from from my you know, rehearsal or my audition,
Speaker 1: and I thought you had to be you know what
Speaker 1: I saw on TV because I never watched pregame shows.
Speaker 1: And David Hill had a vision of something totally different,
Speaker 1: and it started with John Madden, and it went to
Speaker 1: Terry and Jimmy and me and you know, and my
Speaker 1: first audition was just too straight forward and not conversational.
Speaker 1: And I got pulled to the side and David Hill said,
Speaker 1: where's the guy seeing interviews? And I said, well, you
Speaker 1: didn't tell me you wanted that. And Terry pulled me
Speaker 1: aside and said, look, just lighten up, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's what he wanted was our show, which had never
Speaker 1: been done before.
Speaker 2: And the show was an hour.
Speaker 1: Long, which at that time had never been done, and
Speaker 1: people were saying, what are you going to do in
Speaker 1: an hour? An hour flies by like that.
Speaker 2: It's only forty five really with the commercial and you
Speaker 2: know you can do We're doing five hours or six
Speaker 2: hours for the pregame and the super Bowl. This will
Speaker 2: be my first one. It's it's it's a lot. It's
Speaker 2: an all day sucker. Oh yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1: And you know, by the time you get to the
Speaker 1: post game, you know you're you're near mentally.
Speaker 2: It's probably gonna be the same feeling as after you
Speaker 2: play it. Yeah, just because of all the hype that
Speaker 2: we you know, it's a big thing for our network,
Speaker 2: for Fox. And when you host the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: There's one hundred at some point in the pregame and
Speaker 1: the halftime, one hundred twenty, one hundred and thirty million
Speaker 1: people are watching.
Speaker 2: It depend on Mayah.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you equate the light on top
Speaker 1: of the camera as one hundred and twenty million people,
Speaker 1: you might start to kind of think about it, but
Speaker 1: you know the key is just not doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's hard to do. What's your hack? Green light? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nice, you know the podcast nice shout out Chris Hey gotta.
Speaker 2: Do it for having got on near sighted even with
Speaker 2: the glass. He caught that quick though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, long knows what up.
Speaker 2: I didn't size you up. You weren't a threat.
Speaker 3: You could throw me at somebody, a projectile or something. No,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm here for the team though.
Speaker 2: What was something that people don't know about Fox?
Speaker 1: How great you're treated as as someone that works there,
Speaker 1: and you talked about it. You know, it's the interaction
Speaker 1: with Listen, we've been there thirty one years. I look
Speaker 1: out on the set and I see the same makeup person,
Speaker 1: I see the same wardrobe person. I see four or
Speaker 1: five of the same cameramen. Uh, stage managers. You know there.
Speaker 1: Bill Richards was you know, you know listen. Eric Shanks
Speaker 1: started out as a BA and I think manscript and
Speaker 1: worked his way up. Bill Richards worked his way up.
Speaker 1: Jacob Owman worked his way up. Jacob Bowman used to
Speaker 1: go get me dip, you know, when he was like
Speaker 1: coming out of USC.
Speaker 2: No I do. I said to him, he's a little
Speaker 2: he's a he's a little guy.
Speaker 1: He he was a little guy and you know, just
Speaker 1: out of you can imagine he looks so young, out
Speaker 1: of school, and I said, were you a crack dealer?
Speaker 2: He just looked at me like, I what what year
Speaker 2: is that? Uh? Probably first year, first seven year.
Speaker 1: So I think the thing about Fox that's special is
Speaker 1: it's the people in front of the camera treat the
Speaker 1: people behind the camera with respect, and I think that's
Speaker 1: that's all you can ask for, you know, And and
Speaker 1: the retention of people behind the camera, both from a
Speaker 1: camera standpoint, floor managers, audio people, you know, you just
Speaker 1: you develop a special relationship and they're part of the team.
Speaker 1: And we greatly appreciate that, we truly do. And I
Speaker 1: think that's I think if you don't have that, you
Speaker 1: don't have anything.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, you're only strong as I hit.
Speaker 1: I always told my kids, said, you hit people for
Speaker 1: a living. You're not going across the country saving small children.
Speaker 1: Get over yourself, you know, I mean really at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I mean, how you treat to me.
Speaker 1: And it's a really important point is what tells me
Speaker 1: a lot about who you are is how you treat
Speaker 1: the bellman, how you treat the waiter, you know, how
Speaker 1: you treat the gal that's invisible, who's changing the trash
Speaker 1: bags in the studio, you know how you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt, just a hello. You know, you
Speaker 2: never know what somebody's going through. Now, now you had
Speaker 2: kind of you. You're raised by your uncle. I was
Speaker 2: raised by a lot of pain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's classic Irish Catholic kind of you know, and
Speaker 1: raised by first mom and dad and you know then mom,
Speaker 1: you know, and dad split up, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: my dad, you know, was an interesting guy. He's six seven,
Speaker 1: two fifty five and you know, a mount of a man.
Speaker 1: Worked at Hoods Milk and worked in the projects, worked
Speaker 1: at D Street projects, and you know, in South Boston
Speaker 1: and worked in you know, a number of spots, and
Speaker 1: that was kind of the family business. You either worked
Speaker 1: at Hoods Milk, which was across underneath the L train
Speaker 1: bottom of the street across Rutherford Avenue was Hoods Milk,
Speaker 1: and my grandmother worked there for you know, twenty five
Speaker 1: thirty years. Uncle George worked there, My dad worked there,
Speaker 1: and then he worked in the projects, and my uncle
Speaker 1: Mike got everybody a job at the projects, and my
Speaker 1: uncle Billy, what's the job at the project it's you're
Speaker 1: you're a maintenance person in the projects. You know, you're
Speaker 1: just going around fixing doors and fixing light bulbs and
Speaker 1: you know, any issues they have, your laborer. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard work and you know you're in a
Speaker 1: you know, tough, tough spot. So Dad ends up who
Speaker 1: was an orphan from birth to eighteen years old, never
Speaker 1: played sports, so you know you always kind of wonder
Speaker 1: in your head, you know, what would he have been,
Speaker 1: you know, big athletic, you know, raw boned, you know,
Speaker 1: big guy, strong, country strong, you know, and ends up
Speaker 1: falling on hard times. He's homeless on main street, living
Speaker 1: in a car. You know, this is Charlestown's a mile square,
Speaker 1: so you know that impact. She was a kid. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't really think about it at the time. You're
Speaker 1: in survival mode. You know, my grandmother. I'm living with
Speaker 1: my uncle Mike and my aunt Edie in a row
Speaker 1: home in Charlestown. And the bussing riots start, de segregation starts,
Speaker 1: and you missed school for sixty seventy days. It doesn't
Speaker 1: look like it's getting any better. My uncle Billy was
Speaker 1: the first to make it out of the neighborhood and
Speaker 1: move out to Milford up by Foxborough. Yeah, and my
Speaker 1: grandmother and uncle Billy was the youngest of her four sons,
Speaker 1: asked him to take me in. And he's got four
Speaker 1: kids of his own, and he's working in the projects,
Speaker 1: driving a Maverick with a hole the size of a
Speaker 1: basketball and the passenger floor, you know, down the mass
Speaker 1: Pike in four ninety five, and you know, a lot
Speaker 1: as salt, snow and salt. You can imagine, you know
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. And he's barely making ends meet.
Speaker 1: He's painting houses on the weekend. And he takes me
Speaker 1: in and you know, dinner was over at six point
Speaker 1: thirty and the kitchen clothed at that point because we
Speaker 1: were it was tight. Yeah, things were tight. And I
Speaker 1: remember leaving there at six five, two twenty to go
Speaker 1: to Villanova in summer school. And I got a meal
Speaker 1: card and I'm seventeen years old, and I would I
Speaker 1: opened camp at two sixty five. You know, it was
Speaker 1: like I was to eat. I was a big person
Speaker 1: waiting to happen. But you know, for him to take
Speaker 1: me in like that, uh, you know, with the struggles
Speaker 1: that you know come with having four kids and you know,
Speaker 1: driving into Boston every morning, driving back painting house on
Speaker 1: the weekend, doing all that is you know, my grandmother
Speaker 1: kind of set the foundational, you know.
Speaker 2: Part of who you are as a person, you.
Speaker 1: Know, be kind. We took in my wife and I
Speaker 1: talk about it. We took in more players. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like a rotating door of Chester
Speaker 1: mcglock and you know, Sean Jones, Bill Pakel, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I went back to the reunion for the
Speaker 1: first time last year. I had never been to a reunion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm just not big on crowds. And you know
Speaker 1: it's also we work on Sunday usually Sunday, Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: And this was this was a preseason game and decide.
Speaker 1: You know, Marcus kept texting me and calling me, and
Speaker 1: I love Marcus and he's the best, best teammate, you know,
Speaker 1: the most complete football player I played with. And uh,
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, for you, I'll come down.
Speaker 1: So I come down there and you see all these
Speaker 1: guys and it's you know, my wife and I were saying,
Speaker 1: how amazing was how many guys stayed at our house
Speaker 1: that we took inet yeah, and you know you have
Speaker 1: to kind of pay it back to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: I think, and you know I'm not I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's you don't do it for any other reason than
Speaker 1: you want to, but I think in some way it's
Speaker 1: a karma thing or something comes back to you.
Speaker 2: You know. I only asked because you since I of
Speaker 2: the day I met you. You you you shout family.
Speaker 2: You're like your family man. You know you love your kids, yep.
Speaker 2: But you didn't grow up, you know, in a crazy
Speaker 2: particularly family type atmosphere. Right to have that, you know,
Speaker 2: and it is it just amazes me because you know,
Speaker 2: it's similar to how my dad grew up. He didn't
Speaker 2: have a dad, grew up in the trailer park, right,
Speaker 2: and my dad is like a super family dad because
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he wanted he wanted to be better,
Speaker 2: and he wanted what he didn't have. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know it's funny because my grandmother had this
Speaker 1: little hole in the wall shack up in Babousic Lake.
Speaker 2: New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was the lake was maybe a mile
Speaker 1: and a half wide, two miles long or a mile
Speaker 1: and a half long.
Speaker 2: It was a.
Speaker 1: Pond and you know in some ways, my home in
Speaker 1: Montana on Flathead Lake, which is bigger than Lake Tahoe,
Speaker 1: is me replicating the happiest moments. Those are the happiest
Speaker 1: moments I had. Yeah, when I think of Babouosic Lake
Speaker 1: in the summertime and you know, the whole thing, Uh,
Speaker 1: trying to replicate that from my kids was important. And
Speaker 1: they grew up there and you know, love it. And
Speaker 1: Chris has a place up there now.
Speaker 2: Now, how did you balance because I mean you did movies.
Speaker 2: I watched him Broken Arrow. You did movies for a while,
Speaker 2: You've done on TV for thirty five years. Yeah, you're
Speaker 2: also you know, you have two kids that were playing
Speaker 2: in the league at the time. How do you balance
Speaker 2: all that being the family guy that you are, because
Speaker 2: you still you put your family first, but you still
Speaker 2: do a lot of stuff. It's remarkable.
Speaker 1: The name of our corporation is Long Odyssey, and I
Speaker 1: was always I was always fascinated as a kid who
Speaker 1: was one of the few books that I read as
Speaker 1: a young kid, The Odyssey Homer's Journey Home. And for me,
Speaker 1: it's always everything is about getting home. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm working, but I'm the next thing on my mind
Speaker 1: as soon as the day's over is how do I
Speaker 1: get home quickly? The movie thing was fun to do.
Speaker 1: I was originally on Broken Arrow with John Travolta and
Speaker 1: it was fun. It was great experience. I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be there two three weeks and John Wu kept
Speaker 1: coming in my trailer and say, we make you bigger?
Speaker 2: Are you? John Wayne?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay. So I call home and there's
Speaker 1: three kids and they're building ramps, jumping their bikes into
Speaker 1: the pool, and you know, they kind of get the
Speaker 1: idea that at a certain point meets you in them
Speaker 1: out on the phone. They look for Vancouver is on
Speaker 1: the map and they say, well, he probably can't get
Speaker 1: home for you know, you.
Speaker 2: Know, a day at least.
Speaker 1: I mean, so the threats kind of start to and
Speaker 1: and Diane said to me, I did, Uh?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: Then I did Firestorm, which you know, Fox had a
Speaker 1: preemption right because I signed the deal with Fox when
Speaker 1: I did Broken Arrow. And it was great. John Tirolta
Speaker 1: was great and it was fun to do, and it
Speaker 1: was a successful movie. And it's playing somewhere every night
Speaker 1: on satellite, you know, and I get residual checks sneaker money,
Speaker 1: I call it. And it's not a lot, but you know,
Speaker 1: you just sneaker money. And you know, so get your money.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: So when I when I I get an offer from I,
Speaker 1: I another and another studio gives me an offer to
Speaker 1: do a post apocalyptic movie, thirty million dollar budget, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And Fox preempts me to do Firestorm a
Speaker 1: sixteen million dollar budget, and it's gonna shoot during football season.
Speaker 1: So now I'm I'm literally running to the airport Sunday night,
Speaker 1: getting on a plane to go to Vancouver, driving up
Speaker 1: by Whistler, and I'm working six thirty in the morning
Speaker 1: till you know, sunset, and going back on Friday to
Speaker 1: get to production meetings on Saturday. At that point, we
Speaker 1: had production meetings on Saturday. Scott Akerson, you son of
Speaker 1: a bitch. I'll never forgive you for that. But at
Speaker 1: one point after that, you know, and I did three
Speaker 1: thousand miles of Graceland with Kevin Coostner, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was fun, and that was more of
Speaker 1: a cameo, and you know, they got they were able
Speaker 1: to do My Pardon two three weeks. But Diane said
Speaker 1: to me, she said, why are you doing this. Is
Speaker 1: it money?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Is it ego? I said, you know, not really ego.
Speaker 1: I don't really associate with me. It was kind of
Speaker 1: like the natural progression of things, and things just kind
Speaker 1: of presented themselves and you want to check a box
Speaker 1: and say, you know, I did that, and I did
Speaker 1: that and it was fun. But here I am raising
Speaker 1: three kids, and I'll never regret coaching little league baseball
Speaker 1: for eight years. I'll never regret coaching high school football
Speaker 1: for eight years. I'll never regret that. And those were
Speaker 1: some of the best experiences that I've had and they
Speaker 1: had and it was my, I think my responsibility to
Speaker 1: kind of this is how you play football. This is
Speaker 1: how you protect yourself, This is how you treat your opponent.
Speaker 1: This is the way you play the game.
Speaker 2: How is how is manly? All all purpose? Mister man?
Speaker 2: Howie long On? Like? How how did you did you
Speaker 2: with like actors and stuff like? Were they all kind
Speaker 2: of intimidated by you? I?
Speaker 1: You know, I really don't know. I think I was
Speaker 1: John was great, John, John Travolter was great.
Speaker 2: Holater.
Speaker 1: I had never he I didn't have any interet really
Speaker 1: any with him. John was I was with John all
Speaker 1: the time, because you know, whether I'm in the trailer
Speaker 1: and then we go do you know whatever shot John
Speaker 1: was in, I was generally in.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I remember we were driving a hummer and I'm driving
Speaker 1: the hummer and you know, We're supposed to slam on
Speaker 1: the brakes and I and you know, I'm listen. I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm easy to deal with, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: certainly beyond football at that point, and I'm a team guy.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm used to that, you know. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: I have a role and John the guy. And John's
Speaker 1: like the quarterback. He's like Tom Tom Brady. And when
Speaker 1: you're driving Tom Brady in the hummer and you tell
Speaker 1: him you're gonna they want me to slam on the
Speaker 1: brakes hard to Tom, and I don't know that Tom
Speaker 1: really or John really got it. And I think he
Speaker 1: came close to hitting the dashboard with his head when
Speaker 1: we slammed again. We'll get out of the car and
Speaker 1: we're going into the thing where the nuke is, you know,
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. And and he flew us. He
Speaker 1: had his own plane and he was the pilot, and
Speaker 1: his payback was going from you know, from the runway
Speaker 1: to ten thousand feet as quickly as you possibly could
Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere in Montana. We're shooting
Speaker 1: in this dead center Lewistown, Montana. The yoga in, they've
Speaker 1: got a little thing in the center. The lobby says,
Speaker 1: you are a dead center in the state of Montana.
Speaker 1: And they had a great milkshake. And that's all I
Speaker 1: remember about, you know, the yo go in and the
Speaker 1: center of monte in Lewistown. But John's payback was you're
Speaker 1: you're you're holding seat of your pants.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That was his payback for the slamming on the brakes
Speaker 1: and him kind of catching his head on the dash.
Speaker 2: Are you not a little spooked? I would be scared
Speaker 2: with John Travolta flying a plane. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know if I want, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I think you can get scared with.
Speaker 1: I think at that point, you know, I'm still kind
Speaker 1: of young. I'm still probably in my thirties, yeah, late thirties,
Speaker 1: and uh I think, uh there's a feeling of invincibility,
Speaker 1: you know, to a certain extent.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I remember when when I started playing in the league,
Speaker 1: I used to drink a shout at Tequila to get
Speaker 1: on the plane because we didn't fly a lot at Villanova. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we we bust to most of our games.
Speaker 1: You know, we bust to you mass. I mean, so
Speaker 1: getting on a plane and a plane that big saying
Speaker 1: how does that thing fly? You know, So flights weren't
Speaker 1: a big part of my life until I got to
Speaker 1: the to the Raiders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be right back after this quick break. Let's
Speaker 2: go back to around January twenty second, nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 2: when we like to go over what was going around
Speaker 2: pop culture around the world. Yeah, yeah, number one movie
Speaker 2: Terms of endearment. Don't don't remember that, do you guys?
Speaker 2: Did you guys see that? Vaguely? Vaguely? Yeah, the number
Speaker 2: one song Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes, I
Speaker 2: think I remember that a little bit. That was It's
Speaker 2: not on my playlist. Yeah, it's was that Wham or something?
Speaker 2: I don't know wod George Apple's iconic nineteen eighty four
Speaker 2: commercial airs during the Super Bowls. Do you remember those
Speaker 2: those Apple commercials? Yes? I do. It was very common shattering. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was playing during the Super Bowl. Can't remember the
Speaker 2: commercial really. Scott directed Scarface sudden impact, the right stuff
Speaker 2: on all those quoted movies. Scarface say hello to my
Speaker 2: little friend. People like you need people like me to said.
Speaker 2: That's a bad guy. That's a bad guy. Now, what
Speaker 2: was life like for how we long? In nineteen eighty four?
Speaker 2: You're in your third league, third year in the league,
Speaker 2: second year in the league, you're newly married. What's what's
Speaker 2: you're living in an apartment?
Speaker 1: I'm married in eighty two and a fight broke out
Speaker 1: at our our our wedding, and it was and you know,
Speaker 1: the thought was that it was going to be my
Speaker 1: family because you know, we're from Boston and you know
Speaker 1: she's she's from Jersey time. You know her dad's names
Speaker 1: Francesco at a Easio and your brother's name is Virgilio
Speaker 1: out of Easio. And I thought process was that you know,
Speaker 1: my kind of you know guys working at the project,
Speaker 1: Uncle Billy, Uncle John who's a cop in the North End,
Speaker 1: and you know Uncle George, and you know, the whole
Speaker 1: thing are are going to be the ones that are
Speaker 1: going to be maybe a problem. And as it turns out,
Speaker 1: apparently you know, there was a non blood family member
Speaker 1: got a better seat than somebody in the family, and
Speaker 1: there was an argument about that up by the head table.
Speaker 1: My cousin Michael, who I shared a room with when
Speaker 1: I was living with Uncle Mike and ann Edie. We
Speaker 1: we lived together. He was my best man and fight
Speaker 1: breaks out and they knock over the head table. And
Speaker 1: this is like my ace in the hole forever for
Speaker 1: my wife because I can, I can pop that out
Speaker 1: and say, your family, you know, after her mom passed,
Speaker 1: frank came down to live with us and he, you know,
Speaker 1: we got him a house on the property and you know,
Speaker 1: we've got sixty five acres in Virginia by UVA and
Speaker 1: he lived with us and I said, what why are
Speaker 1: you up there? I mean, is it a card game?
Speaker 1: We can get your card game down here. There's a
Speaker 1: game or a practice every night of some kind literally
Speaker 1: high school football, whatever, so you'll always have something to do.
Speaker 1: And he ended up being with us for ten years
Speaker 1: and it was great, and the grandsons called him Frankie,
Speaker 1: and ironically enough, Kyle ended up naming his daughter after Francesco.
Speaker 1: He named his daughter Francesca and they call her Frankie.
Speaker 2: That's cute. I love that name for girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's as you can imagine Kyle's daughter.
Speaker 2: Is adorable, probably adorable and a little bit of a
Speaker 2: freak show.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you could see it earlier, you
Speaker 1: know you I when I said to Diana, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, he's different. And he was like two three
Speaker 1: years old. She said, you're crazy. I said, no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: He's different.
Speaker 2: See how he knows. He knows when he sees a specimen.
Speaker 2: He could see it at.
Speaker 1: Over a fence and you go, it's like the tiger
Speaker 1: at the zoo. You see the tiger at the zoo
Speaker 1: and it's laying there and you go, wow, that's a
Speaker 1: beautiful animal, you know, color and big and looks strong,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that tiger gets up and
Speaker 1: jumps over ten foot bentce. You go, oh, now, I.
Speaker 2: Guess yeah, that's why he's a predator. Yeah, one of
Speaker 2: those lead ones. Yeah. Now have you ever used that card?
Speaker 2: What card with the wife? Oh? God, yah, I told
Speaker 2: that story. Are you kidding me? We've been married forty
Speaker 2: golly eighty two to forty two years? You get what
Speaker 2: you get? One one card? Usee a year? One not
Speaker 2: at least at the very least. The Sports World nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three eighty four Super Bowl champions with the La Raiders,
Speaker 2: Dan Marino was the NFL MVP. How good was Dan Marino?
Speaker 2: How good would he he be?
Speaker 1: In this best drower of the football I ever saw,
Speaker 1: and the quickest when I tell you the quick and
Speaker 1: you probably watched some.
Speaker 2: Of his stuff.
Speaker 1: The quickest release you could ever have in today's game.
Speaker 1: I don't it'd be it'd be astronomical. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: was a He was a guy that didn't want pre
Speaker 1: stab motion. He didn't want to change the snap kind
Speaker 1: of a lot. He had the best center I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: Dwight Stevenson. And you know that offense was hammon.
Speaker 2: What kind of do was he when you sacked him?
Speaker 1: He was You rarely got to sack him because you
Speaker 1: could literally run by your guy and ball out, Ball's gone.
Speaker 1: So he was really Uh to me, he was the
Speaker 1: best thrower of the football I ever saw.
Speaker 2: You've seen a lot of football is being thrown. That's
Speaker 2: saying some Celtics peak the Lakers in seven games? Of course? Baby?
Speaker 2: That that was You ever meet Larry No, My uncle
Speaker 2: John was who is his agent? Uh? I forget who
Speaker 2: his agent was.
Speaker 1: My uncle John was kind of an off duty cop
Speaker 1: bodyguard kind of guy for him. Uh so he met,
Speaker 1: you know, he interfaced with Larry and Larry. I've got
Speaker 1: a I've got a jersey from from Larry. Uh that
Speaker 1: hangs up him right next to my Bobby or goal
Speaker 1: versus Saint Louis in the Stanley Cup to win the game.
Speaker 1: He's airborne, he's horizontal to the grant.
Speaker 2: So I they have that statue.
Speaker 1: I've got my autographed Bobby or who I wanted to be,
Speaker 1: you know growing up?
Speaker 2: Wow, you see, did you play hockey? I did.
Speaker 1: We played a lot of We did everything in the street.
Speaker 1: I never played organized sports until I went up to
Speaker 1: live with my uncle Billy, and high school coach sees
Speaker 1: me walking through the hallway and says, hey, who are you?
Speaker 1: And I might think thirteen, I'm fourteen years old?
Speaker 2: How tall are you at thirteen six three? You know,
Speaker 2: seventeen years old? Sixty three?
Speaker 1: And you know I didn't even have to put the
Speaker 1: equipment on. You know, I was terrible and ended up
Speaker 1: getting two scholarships, one to Boston College and one to Villanova.
Speaker 1: And my grandmother wanted me to get out of the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And you know it turned out to be, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: prophetic on her part. And met my wife there and
Speaker 1: she was a classics major and I wasn't.
Speaker 2: Fucking Odova. Yeah, man, you had to get out of Charlestown.
Speaker 2: You had to get out of the town. John Elway's
Speaker 2: rookie season, I remember that now, he almost became a Raider, right,
Speaker 2: Brozel blocked it.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the I don't know if he blocked it.
Speaker 1: I think what ended up killing the deal was they
Speaker 1: wanted me included in it. It was I think a
Speaker 1: three team deal. And you know Chicago, the Colts and
Speaker 1: the Raiders and you know, and I and I when
Speaker 1: I heard about this, It's funny because I was, I
Speaker 1: was in Canton. I just landed. I was in Canton
Speaker 1: and I and they did this kind of it's a
Speaker 1: great docu kind of ESPN thirty for thirty or whatever.
Speaker 1: And Marvin Demoff ended up representing you know, Chris and
Speaker 1: Kyle for a period of time. Uh, you know, legendary
Speaker 1: agent was was part of it because he was Elway's guy,
Speaker 1: and he was Marino's guy, and you know, uh, and
Speaker 1: I called Ron Wolfe one of the great football minds.
Speaker 2: And you know, I.
Speaker 1: Said, Ron, you son of a bitch, you were going
Speaker 1: to trade me to Chicago. And he said, Howie, that
Speaker 1: was never happening. He said, you know that was you know,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like they sent a proposal with
Speaker 1: I think a corner first round pick, this, this and this,
Speaker 1: and their comeback was Howie Long uh and and a
Speaker 1: draft pick and uh. I think that's where now I
Speaker 1: would have traded myself for John away from from the Raiders.
Speaker 1: But you know, al uh Al was, you know, a
Speaker 1: different guy. You know, I think he he was so
Speaker 1: smart about personnel and had a vision of regardless of
Speaker 1: where you go, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Mark Van Egan,
Speaker 1: where Mark play like Colegate or something.
Speaker 2: Cole Gate, there's another player came out of Colgate. Where
Speaker 2: do you play Ark? He was, uh, he was Coldgate.
Speaker 1: So you know, here I am at Villanova and nobody
Speaker 1: even knows me, and I get in a I'm in
Speaker 1: a kind of a little bit of a thing, let's
Speaker 1: call it, in the middle of the season where someone
Speaker 1: got beat up and robbed, and you know, they come
Speaker 1: to my room of course and asked the company, you know,
Speaker 1: can you go back? One kid transferred from Florida State
Speaker 1: and he got robbed of his bowl watch from Florida State.
Speaker 1: And we go down there to get all the stuff back,
Speaker 1: and you know, not thinking about how it's going to end.
Speaker 2: What's the endgame here?
Speaker 1: Not probably good and I'm not really thinking about it
Speaker 1: and two three cops pull up and you know, I
Speaker 1: get detained, and ironically enough, they kind of use that
Speaker 1: as a straw that broke the camel's back to drop
Speaker 1: the program at Villanova. Wow after I left, So they
Speaker 1: dropped the program for a period of time. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so I but I think being in that.
Speaker 2: Situation maybe helped me became a raider. This guy fights,
Speaker 2: get him in, get him in.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, you're in that locker room at Villanova, and
Speaker 1: you're in the dorm of Villanova. There's a priest on
Speaker 1: every floor. And you go to the Oka Raider locker room.
Speaker 1: The guys are smoking sale and lights and they're grown men.
Speaker 1: And here I am. I'm I'm in pit drill day one.
Speaker 1: Pit drills like you know, one on ones between two
Speaker 1: bags of running back the offensive lineman and you and
Speaker 1: and the first guy up is Art Shell. I'm twenty one,
Speaker 1: and he's got a full beard, he's three hundred and
Speaker 1: I don't know they didn't weigh Art, uh, And you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know whether to grab my cheekbone, which I
Speaker 1: thought was fractured, or my ribs because I couldn't breathe
Speaker 1: because he'd he'd punch you in the ribs as as
Speaker 1: he came off the ball. But it was kind of
Speaker 1: Jeane and Art were, you know, in many ways, were
Speaker 1: very influential to be, you know when I first got there,
Speaker 1: because when you're going against Jean and Art all the time,
Speaker 1: that you know it's gonna make you better, it raises
Speaker 1: the love of you know, we're not playing Delaware. No,
Speaker 1: it's not Delaware, not the Blue Hen. I became such
Speaker 1: a better receiver when we got to Lee Bakeeb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tilly, he's my boy too, because I used to
Speaker 2: have to run routes with him. They wanted to see
Speaker 2: if he's in shape after we had to do one
Speaker 2: on ones after practice. Yeah, so Bill would make me
Speaker 2: run one on ones against him, and then we got
Speaker 2: revis and we used to go like competitive periods one
Speaker 2: on ones all the time. And my game got so
Speaker 2: much better because I was playing against those guys.
Speaker 1: Well we played, we we were. We were a physical team.
Speaker 1: Inside run was inside run. You know, past rush was
Speaker 1: past rush, goal line was goal line. Team period was
Speaker 1: team period, and it was and it's hard to kind
Speaker 1: of duplicate that because you know, and and I've gone
Speaker 1: to New England as a broadcaster and Burge would come
Speaker 1: in and say to me. I'd be out in the
Speaker 1: you know, the outside rooms, outside of everything, and he'd say,
Speaker 1: you know, Bill, once, you know, if you want to
Speaker 1: come over to practice, Bill, once you come the price.
Speaker 1: You go to the practice and I'm standing on the
Speaker 1: sideline and there's nobody in the building. It's just me
Speaker 1: and Bill with that that whistle, you know, doing that thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm kind of like, I'm this reminded
Speaker 1: me of the Raiders because nobody. There was no friend
Speaker 1: of a friend, no sponsor, nobody. It was all about
Speaker 1: football and that's it. And I you know, I was
Speaker 1: only in one place, and you know, you go to
Speaker 1: other places, you know, over the thirty one years as
Speaker 1: a broadcaster, and you know, you you kind of get
Speaker 1: a glimpse into how somebody else does it. But you know,
Speaker 1: generationally it's different. But you know, it's also from an
Speaker 1: ownership standpoint, it was just different. You know, we we
Speaker 1: were an island onto ourselves. It was a wall around
Speaker 1: the practice facility and nobody got in.
Speaker 2: Bill used to whenever we played the Raiders, he'd give
Speaker 2: a he'd always give like a history lesson on the
Speaker 2: team and the foundation and you know how the owner
Speaker 2: got the team and Al Davis, being a coach, sue
Speaker 2: the league give us a whole presentation on it. He
Speaker 2: loved Al Davis and a lot of people. The whole
Speaker 2: do your job thing was Al Davis that said it
Speaker 2: to Parcells, like after something Parcells was complaining or something
Speaker 2: about what was going on, and I guess Al Davis
Speaker 2: just said, just do your job. And that's where it
Speaker 2: was pretty simple to say it to, you know, the team.
Speaker 2: And then Bill took it up and so the do
Speaker 2: your job came from Al Davis.
Speaker 1: Just win, just win baby, do your job. You could
Speaker 1: put those on T shirts, you know, uh, just win babies,
Speaker 1: win baby. Yeah, he said, oh fuck, Howie Howard, you
Speaker 1: call me Howard? Oh fuck you think it tough. I'm
Speaker 1: like this guy, think my hands. He was really I
Speaker 1: call him mister Davis. I mean, part of it's my upbringing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean I never had that. I only got called
Speaker 1: up there maybe once or twice.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: One was a contract and we did that over the phone,
Speaker 1: but the other was a fight. I got in and
Speaker 1: it got bad, and you know he just told me
Speaker 1: not to beat him body also.
Speaker 2: Now did he ran shit? He ran everything? Because I
Speaker 2: remember when I was a quarter where when I was
Speaker 2: coming out, Charlie Ferry was training me and he was
Speaker 2: with the Raiders at the time. Remember Charlie Frye a
Speaker 2: the quarterback, I know the name. He was there for
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee, but he was close with Al
Speaker 2: at the time. It was before Al died, and he
Speaker 2: the one thing everyone you know knows about the Raiders.
Speaker 2: They want speed and size, no question. And Charlie asked him,
Speaker 2: like you you should pick this guy up in the
Speaker 2: seventh round to Al. And he goes, he's not fast
Speaker 2: enough baby, or so he said something like that, he's
Speaker 2: not fast enough for out.
Speaker 1: Of the gate at size speed. Same thing with you know,
Speaker 1: you could say Bill Parcells with quarterbacks, you know it's
Speaker 1: got to play three years, got to be six four
Speaker 1: two twenty. You know, it has to fit the prototype.
Speaker 1: And you know that was in many ways what Sean
Speaker 1: was about, Yeah, Sean, Sean was about that before he
Speaker 1: went to Denver, coming from New Orleans. H And that's
Speaker 1: why I honestly think the Russell thing never really worked because.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the make was Yeah, but Drew was one.
Speaker 1: It was a system. Two was you know, supply and demand. Uh,
Speaker 1: and don't forget he was going to go to Miami.
Speaker 1: And then the shoulder thing, and and and where Sean
Speaker 1: changed things was at that point guards and centers weren't
Speaker 1: as important, and one ended up being the case with
Speaker 1: you know, three five step drops, get the ball out gun,
Speaker 1: you know, spread all that. The fastest route to the
Speaker 1: core back is up the middle, whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: mug linebackers in in in the center guard gap, or
Speaker 1: you know you're bringing pressure in the interior it's you know,
Speaker 1: slant and looper with the backer. Seawn made those positions
Speaker 1: a point of emphasis, even over tackle because.
Speaker 2: Of Drew Brees pressure in the middle.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, from from a personality standpoint,
Speaker 1: from a size standpoint, you know, and Sean didn't sign
Speaker 1: you know, to sign.
Speaker 2: Him up in Denver. Russ.
Speaker 1: Russ wasn't ever going to fit with Seawan, and I
Speaker 1: thought I was unfortunate because you know, and I'm a
Speaker 1: big Sean fan. I didn't like the whole thing on
Speaker 1: the sideline. It was uncomfortable for me, a little uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, do that, you know, let's do
Speaker 1: that in the building.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, you know, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: situation was. And I haven't talked to Sean about it,
Speaker 1: and at some point on I will. But big Sean fan,
Speaker 1: he's watching games with him. Gave me another perspective because
Speaker 1: my whole perspective's been I've got the guy who you know,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about, a guy who can build it,
Speaker 1: coach it, you know, knows how to you know, hire coaches, players, contracts, trades, everything.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, for he's aside from the three four years
Speaker 1: he was in Miami, you know we were together.
Speaker 2: Wow, Jackie, let's jump into the game real quick.
Speaker 3: Let's go over these these Washington eighty three defending Super
Speaker 3: Bowl champions on a run. The Leady coming into this
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, they'd won thirty at thirty four games, MVP
Speaker 3: Joe the Heisman led the league in scoring, incredible defense
Speaker 3: led the League in Takeaways.
Speaker 2: Joe Gibbs Coach.
Speaker 3: Of the Year. I mean they were just firing on
Speaker 3: all cylinders.
Speaker 2: They were hitting everything they had, the coach, they had,
Speaker 2: the team. How do you sum up this nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: three Redskins team.
Speaker 1: Well, the they were. There wasn't really a weak spot
Speaker 1: you could look at, you know, and everything revolved around physicality.
Speaker 1: The perception was I think at that time the NFC
Speaker 1: is a little more physical than the AFC, that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But we were, you know, unless Greg town'sen
Speaker 1: up there in the picture. Greg was a great player,
Speaker 1: and he was a flip end, you know, he was
Speaker 1: a guy who'd flipped to the weak side. And they
Speaker 1: were a physical team that forced you to match their
Speaker 1: physicality and few teams could do that. And you know,
Speaker 1: you think about their wide receiving core, you know, Garrett
Speaker 1: Monk or Monk famers Hall of Famer, as good as
Speaker 1: Guy Diadyer Warren and Walker. You know, those the tight
Speaker 1: ends were. You know, they were guys who were committed.
Speaker 1: They go two three tight ends, they load up and
Speaker 1: and the first thing you're thinking about, particularly in the
Speaker 1: three man front, is we've got to stop the run.
Speaker 1: We've got to stop the counter. I've got to beat
Speaker 1: the Pollers on the back side, So I cheat maybe
Speaker 1: three inches outside on the guard to make that block
Speaker 1: for Bostic all the all the harder, and Stark is
Speaker 1: going to try to get a hand inside while the
Speaker 1: center is blocking back in the guard tackle poll And
Speaker 1: you know I was they couldn't. They had I'd say
Speaker 1: they couldn't. They struggled to run that away from me.
Speaker 1: So they had to run it to me. And fourth
Speaker 1: down I'll never forget. You know, we there was a
Speaker 1: fourth and big fourth and one in the game, and
Speaker 1: you know they flipped me over to Jojakobe because look,
Speaker 1: you're gonna Jojacobe six whatever, six eight three twenty. He's
Speaker 1: just a big man.
Speaker 3: Eight.
Speaker 2: These are big men. He's a big man. And the
Speaker 2: talk about the game getting so much bigger, that's a
Speaker 2: big man.
Speaker 1: Well, Joe was an exceptionally big guy. And we knew
Speaker 1: where the ball was going. They knew where the ball
Speaker 1: was going, and I'm inside eye on Joe on Joe,
Speaker 1: and you know, everyone around me was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, this is it. This is kind of a
Speaker 1: huge moment, and you know, we stuff it on fourth
Speaker 1: down or on third and third and short or fourth
Speaker 1: and dry. I'm not sure exactly what it was, but
Speaker 1: it ended up being one of the bigger players in
Speaker 1: the game. Derek Jensen blocks a punt. That's a big thing,
Speaker 1: and I run to start the game, and ironically enough
Speaker 1: backed up second. I think it was second long. It
Speaker 1: was the play that ended up beating us. Earlier in
Speaker 1: the year, it was Joe Washington on a screen. So
Speaker 1: the other side, though, Charlie Sumner, who's an old bear
Speaker 1: or a legged old bear. You know, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of bears on our staff, guys that played with
Speaker 1: Doug Atkins, really really tough guys, and Charlie was a
Speaker 1: great coordinator, and uh, we were simple. We didn't we
Speaker 1: We ran maybe two blitzes a game because our corners
Speaker 1: didn't have to even get in the huddle because they
Speaker 1: were in cover one or you know. And our guy
Speaker 1: from Mike Haynes Haines and Lester Hayes, and they were
Speaker 1: two very different. Lester was a converted linebacker playing corner
Speaker 1: from Texas A and m I think, and Mike Haynes
Speaker 1: was poetry and you know, just mirrored what it was
Speaker 1: kind of like reevis it was kind of like that
Speaker 1: kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It was like, well, was he a smart did he
Speaker 2: study a bunch? Because usually what I always saw off
Speaker 2: with the best corners that I played with, they could
Speaker 2: cheat because they knew situationally what concepts you would run that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they would run the route for you because they were
Speaker 2: so dialed into formation, you know, Like that's what I
Speaker 2: saw with like the best. I don't know, but there's
Speaker 2: some guys I don't know that just you just say
Speaker 2: him Lester.
Speaker 1: In my mind, who should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Was a weekend in Vegas. You know, it was he
Speaker 1: was up and on you and it was all or
Speaker 1: you know, I'm hit me on a sixteen?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Mike was.
Speaker 1: It was like he was just looking in a mirror
Speaker 1: and just cover the shit out of him and could
Speaker 1: do it all day long. And that was a big
Speaker 1: key for us in both in the game earlier in
Speaker 1: the year and and and this game. And in this
Speaker 1: game in particular, was I hit Riggins one time on
Speaker 1: a slant and I don't know if it was this
Speaker 1: game or the early game in the year, and golly,
Speaker 1: the entire the sky just went whoosh. He was just
Speaker 1: a load, big load, big fal He was Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: for that time, and a load. He broke that big
Speaker 1: run versus Miami and the I think it was in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl of forty plus yard fourth down or
Speaker 1: a third down and short. We think it was a
Speaker 1: fourth down run. Uh and and broke a huge run.
Speaker 1: So for a guy that big to be able to
Speaker 1: turn the Jets on going down the field, he was
Speaker 1: a load jack.
Speaker 5: Let's get into the Raiders team and we move on
Speaker 5: to the Raiders. I'd love to hear why the Hogs
Speaker 5: are so tough to play against.
Speaker 1: Their physicality, their commitment to They ran four plays, and
Speaker 1: they ran them and and and as I mentioned before,
Speaker 1: they challenged you to not just play it ten times,
Speaker 1: you had to play it twenty times, twenty five times.
Speaker 1: And you know, invariably everyone wants to rush the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And can you be committed enough to say, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, let's do it. I don't care if
Speaker 1: we die here, but we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Because they had so many counters, they every play had
Speaker 2: a play to counter it. So if they played it
Speaker 2: a certain way, all right, they probably had someone watching,
Speaker 2: all right, let's run this play. It's the old wishbone,
Speaker 2: these old, these old offenses where they just hit you
Speaker 2: like this way, this way, this way. Then they come
Speaker 2: with here. Then they got the boot here, and then
Speaker 2: they got the you know, it's it's old school football.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this roster and I go Jim Plunkett,
Speaker 1: guy who goes to New England, number one pick, Heisman
Speaker 1: Trophy winner Stanford, gets malled. I think they might have
Speaker 1: been the Boston Patriots at that point. Yeah, gets malled
Speaker 1: and just gets churned out there. You know, an organization
Speaker 1: that mismanaged and didn't put the people around him and
Speaker 1: got beat up. And you know, one of the great
Speaker 1: deep ball throwers of the time and goes to San Francisco,
Speaker 1: same thing, bad experience, gets maulled. Doesn't fit al Davis.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned again, it's you know, it's it's guys
Speaker 1: that Lyle Alzado who had been in Denver and Cleveland
Speaker 1: and got to the Super Bowl in Denver and got
Speaker 1: blown out. And you know is a guy that is
Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty four years old, who you know would
Speaker 1: give his right arm to win a Super Bowl. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had guys that come to come to
Speaker 1: New England like that. Chris was one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, they come to New England to win, and
Speaker 1: he came there to win. You know, Cliff Branch was,
Speaker 1: if not the fastest guy on the planet, one of
Speaker 1: the top three four fastest guys on the planet.
Speaker 2: Was so fun watching him and Darryl Green play in
Speaker 2: this fucking matchup because Darryl Green was like the fastest
Speaker 2: guy in the NFL as well. Yeah, like that was
Speaker 2: a fun matchup.
Speaker 1: And Cliff was thirty. I think I don't know what
Speaker 1: he was at the super Bowl. He might have been
Speaker 1: thirty three.
Speaker 2: Man young.
Speaker 6: I think as he's thirty five at sixty he could
Speaker 6: run a four to fourth we I mean seriously, I
Speaker 6: lived with a guy named Cedric Hartman who was a
Speaker 6: great pass rusher from San Francisco on they called it,
Speaker 6: I forget what they called that, Jimmy Page, you know.
Speaker 1: Cleveland Elam. You know, these guys were really good, and
Speaker 1: Cedric and I lived together my rookie year, and some
Speaker 1: people kind of questioned the wisdom of that, but you know,
Speaker 1: Cedric really was a had a great impact on my
Speaker 1: early part of my career and Cliff would sleep on
Speaker 1: our sofa. You know, it was a different time.
Speaker 2: I mean not really. I mean we I shared a
Speaker 2: house with five guys my first three years in my
Speaker 2: career because you didn't know if you were going to
Speaker 2: make the team every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm making my check was one thousand and
Speaker 1: seven dollars.
Speaker 2: Now we were making decent money. League minimum was like sixty.
Speaker 2: But I had to used Coop Deville, powder, gray.
Speaker 1: Spoke wheels, v Laura interior and a truly an eight
Speaker 1: cassette deck where the cassettes were, you know, that.
Speaker 2: Big a track.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you know Cedric had a red el
Speaker 1: Dorado and convertible with white interior.
Speaker 2: And we were we were rolling in Oakland.
Speaker 1: Law, best two gab noseguard you could ever play with,
Speaker 1: great townshend. I think Greg is, you know, is to
Speaker 1: me a Hall of Famer Lila al Zato, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean listen, Uh, he can change the attitude of
Speaker 1: a room really quickly. How he was such a violent
Speaker 1: you know, the the needle went into the red and
Speaker 1: he was unpredictable from that standpoint, you know, you base
Speaker 1: the rest of your day on Hey, good morning, Lyle,
Speaker 1: you know, and the rest of the day was kind
Speaker 1: of based on that.
Speaker 3: One of the best nicknames I feel like in NFL
Speaker 3: history Three Mile Asle was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Three Mile Ale because it was like three Mile Island
Speaker 1: was a nuclear plant that blew up, and you know,
Speaker 1: you just never knew when he was gonna blow.
Speaker 2: So was he the team asshole? The team asshole?
Speaker 1: That was kind of quiet. I'm trying to think, I'm
Speaker 1: looking down the Kenny King was, you know, a great
Speaker 1: back from Oklahoma, uh situational guy, Frank Hawkins, really good
Speaker 1: full back. Cleo Montgomery, tough, tough, tough. He he dropped
Speaker 1: the guy on the plane one time on a guy
Speaker 1: was sitting he didn't he didn't get up and he
Speaker 1: and he was one of the quietest guys you could
Speaker 1: ever be around. And this guy just set got in
Speaker 1: his seat when he went to the bathroom and you
Speaker 1: seat your seat on the plane. It's once again, it's
Speaker 1: that it's that last blade of grass. It's the push
Speaker 1: at the end of the play. And he asked him
Speaker 1: really quietly, very nice, a couple of times and then
Speaker 1: just boom and that that boy's I close shut on
Speaker 1: that flight. But that's we had a lot of flights
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: That's a real deal. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't sit in someone's playing Henry Lawrence Killer Lawrence
Speaker 1: Shelby Jordan. Another cast off, Charlie Hannah, you know, John
Speaker 1: Hannah's brother, another kind of castAR. Bruce Davis, huge man,
Speaker 1: you know. Probably I'm not sure if he Mickey Marvin
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys of all time. Out of
Speaker 1: ten I think he went to Tennessee. He was as
Speaker 1: he was as country and southern as you could get.
Speaker 1: Don Mostbar, great center out of USC six seven center,
Speaker 1: which is really Steve Silvester, attack of all trades, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a guy. Smart, smart, smart, notre dame guy.
Speaker 1: Jeff Barnes, great special teams, situational linebacker Ted Hendrix, the
Speaker 1: smartest player ever played with. Could walk in the room
Speaker 1: still snuckered from the night before, and you put the
Speaker 1: other teams plays up, and he'd call the plays. He'd
Speaker 1: say to me in a game, I line up next
Speaker 1: to Ted and he'd say, here they come.
Speaker 2: How he thirty two build joker? Oh just by formation situation.
Speaker 2: He's just smart, Savannah.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying to myself, I go in these meetings
Speaker 1: on Monday as a young player, and I'd say, what
Speaker 1: does he know that? Why does he know it? And
Speaker 1: I don't know it? And I kind of modeled my
Speaker 1: preparation after him. I wanted to know everything I could
Speaker 1: possibly know. Todd Christensen, you know, not a guy go
Speaker 1: to dinner with God, rest his soul, but you know,
Speaker 1: really great player, great player. He was a great tight end,
Speaker 1: not a big blocker, but you know, a kind of
Speaker 1: a hybrid guy who ran great routes and had great hands,
Speaker 1: could get separation at the end of the play, which
Speaker 1: was really big touchdown. But as I said, Marcus Allen,
Speaker 1: what about Ray Guy? Ray Guy was great. He'd have
Speaker 1: a dip in his mouth, a cigarette in his hand,
Speaker 1: and a beer in the other hand, and you know,
Speaker 1: he was our He could play backup quarterback, he'd do
Speaker 1: scout team quarterback occasionally. He was a really great athlete.
Speaker 1: The only game I found that he didn't want to
Speaker 1: play was when the Bears, the eighty five Bears, we
Speaker 1: played them up there, and it was kind of a
Speaker 1: it was a carnage game, you know, it was just
Speaker 1: a physical game, and we were physical and we probably
Speaker 1: were the best matchup for them physically. But you know
Speaker 1: when you think about talent in their front coupled with
Speaker 1: a scheme that no one knew how to block. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the forty six and Buddy Ryan and you know the
Speaker 1: great players they had, Hampton and Dent and you know,
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole group it was. And they went
Speaker 1: through our two starting quarterbacks, and someone said, you know,
Speaker 1: Ray was supposed to go in, but Marcus ended up
Speaker 1: was going to be our you know. And and and
Speaker 1: I think our guy, our our backup quarterback, Dave hum
Speaker 1: who's since passed away. Uh, I think he somehow Mark
Speaker 1: Wilson came back in. He got knocked out, Jim got
Speaker 1: knocked out. It was one of those deals where you know,
Speaker 1: they were just knocking quarterbacks out, and you know, we
Speaker 1: we ended up having to kind of get through that
Speaker 1: game physically.
Speaker 2: Was Al Davis always was He always around? Was he
Speaker 2: in the building every day, on the field every day.
Speaker 2: He had a cologne that you could smell him before
Speaker 2: you could see him when we were on the far
Speaker 2: end of the field. And I knew when he was
Speaker 2: out there because you could what kind of colone. It
Speaker 2: was his own personal cologne. It was.
Speaker 1: It was the Al Davis colone. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was, but I've never strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, did it smell masculine he walked out of
Speaker 2: the building.
Speaker 1: I mean it smelled like it's Pavlov's dog. I mean
Speaker 1: not just for me, but for the coaches and everyone involved.
Speaker 1: You know, they knew and they were all puckered up
Speaker 1: when you know, Al came out and.
Speaker 2: He knew football. He was coach.
Speaker 1: He coached the Raiders to the single greatest turnaround early
Speaker 1: on in the organization. The organization was formed the same
Speaker 1: year I was born, nineteen sixty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he.
Speaker 1: Ended up being the coach early on there and turned
Speaker 1: the team around and ended up becoming the owner and
Speaker 1: you know, one of the great historic owners of without
Speaker 1: a doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard stories like Al Davis calling in
Speaker 2: the sideline saying, hey, let's throw a deep ball.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But if I came out
Speaker 1: of the game. I never came out of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't rotate in those days, and I
Speaker 1: in particular didn't rotate. If I came out for one play.
Speaker 1: There was a red phone by the gatorade thing, and
Speaker 1: that was Al's phone. Yeah, that phone rang. What the
Speaker 1: fuck is he doing out of the game? You know, well,
Speaker 1: we're shooting him up. We needed a play.
Speaker 2: Well, what's the wildest like Al Davis funny Like he
Speaker 2: seems like he just has all these sayings. What was
Speaker 2: like one of his one like a time where you're like, man,
Speaker 2: he's that's Al Davis right there.
Speaker 1: You know he wasn't He didn't say a lot. And
Speaker 1: you know there were I think we were in we
Speaker 1: were in constant you know, there was a constant war
Speaker 1: between the league and Yeah and the Raiders and al
Speaker 1: and you know the we we were a team that
Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles but practiced in Oakland.
Speaker 2: So every game was a road game. Think about that.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Every game was a road game. I'm living in the
Speaker 1: Oakland Airport Hilton with Lyle Alzado in a in a
Speaker 1: single room with two queen beds. I'm living with him
Speaker 1: and Marcus was across the hall with trying to think
Speaker 1: of the linebacker's name. Golly, I forget it now. But
Speaker 1: I'd get a roll away some nights because Lyle would
Speaker 1: shut the TV and the lights off at nine ten
Speaker 1: o'clock after he had chocolate cake and a glass of milk.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like, hey, are you watching that? You know,
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm twenty two years old, he's a
Speaker 1: grown man. And I'd go over and sleep in a
Speaker 1: cot and Marcus's room And so every week was a
Speaker 1: road game. And my wife, who was, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of making the transition to California. She was going to
Speaker 1: go to law school, and she kind of had to
Speaker 1: delay her entry into USC law. She was going to
Speaker 1: go to northern California, but then you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to move down to La so there's no sense in
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 2: So she had to.
Speaker 1: Take a year off. So that was a challenge. And and
Speaker 1: Marcus and I caught a lot of air col flights.
Speaker 1: It was it's a now defunct airline.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We'd catch the last flight out and you know, on
Speaker 1: on myday morning and try to get up there for
Speaker 1: the meeting and all that. And somehow we did, did.
Speaker 2: You guys same day travel or a day before?
Speaker 1: We traveled to games on Saturday Saturday, but if you know,
Speaker 1: we'd play on Saturday, but we'd stay down there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'd stay down there with you know, Diane, because
Speaker 1: she started school. Yeah, and we end up going back
Speaker 1: Monday morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jackie, let's jump into the game in the
Speaker 2: lead up, with a little lead up here to this game.
Speaker 3: This was a rematch. We talked about it a little
Speaker 3: bit earlier. Correction the score thirty seven thirty five back
Speaker 3: at RFK Stadium. The Skins got him in that one.
Speaker 3: How he had six five SATs jesus seven total tackles.
Speaker 2: Both feels good when you have a good game statistically
Speaker 2: and you lose, doesn't He'd like, it's like it we're
Speaker 2: not worth it didn't happen. I hated that.
Speaker 3: These were the top teams in each NFC and AFC,
Speaker 3: and Washington beat the Rams fifty one to seven, rolled them,
Speaker 3: beat the Niners twenty four to twenty one, beat Terry
Speaker 3: in the Steelers thirty eight ten the division round, and
Speaker 3: then got some revenge on Seattle in the NFC Championship.
Speaker 1: Seattle had beaten US twice. Playing a kind of it.
Speaker 1: I think we were just we were a funny team.
Speaker 1: We were kind of we could get bored.
Speaker 2: And like the Ravens. Yeah, you know the Ravens. I
Speaker 2: feel like the Ravens get bored with it. It's unexplainable.
Speaker 1: And Chuck Knox had this whole you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: run it and it's not a it's not an at
Speaker 1: you you don't feel like, you know what it is
Speaker 1: like Hagler versus I'm trying to figure Sugar Ray Leonard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where wait a second, I've been through twelve rounds and
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I've been hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, they had a running style. It was like
Speaker 1: a zone kind of style that negated our physicality because
Speaker 1: you know, you just had to kind of get away,
Speaker 1: get in the way and float sideways versus b vertical.
Speaker 1: And uh, we were one hundred plus thousand people at
Speaker 1: the coliseum that game. Wow, the Seattle game, and they've
Speaker 1: beaten us twice during the season, and we mauled them.
Speaker 1: We just mauled them. And I knew then, you know,
Speaker 1: And the week of the game, we go down there,
Speaker 1: Matt Millan gets a fight and practice. I just there
Speaker 1: was an edge to the group by the time we
Speaker 1: got there. And you know, because we had played the
Speaker 1: team earlier in the year, like Seattle, we had played
Speaker 1: Washington earlier in the year, and you know, it was
Speaker 1: that was that.
Speaker 2: Did you guys go down? When did you guys go
Speaker 2: down to the super Bowl. How big was the super
Speaker 2: Bowl in nineteen eighty three at this point, was it
Speaker 2: still fucking like massive? To put it in perspective.
Speaker 1: Lyle and I, Lyle and I every game we ever
Speaker 1: played together. Right after team meal, which was eight am,
Speaker 1: you go to team meal, you know, before the meal,
Speaker 1: you go to chapel and you know, you do all
Speaker 1: that and uh, you they go through special teams and
Speaker 1: you know R one or two, you know, you the
Speaker 1: personnel kind of thing and uh and then Lyle and
Speaker 1: I would get in the cabin. We go to the
Speaker 1: stadium every game. No bus, we never won the bus.
Speaker 1: We like to get there. I like to get there early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like to get there early. I get my I
Speaker 1: get my shorts on, I get my you know thing on,
Speaker 1: and I'd I'd go out and I'd run some forties
Speaker 1: just to kind of get loose and stretch and come
Speaker 1: back in and I'd go over my my formation sheets.
Speaker 1: Lyle would get fully dressed except for the pads, lie
Speaker 1: down on the floor and go to sleep. And it
Speaker 1: was the it really it said a lot about how
Speaker 1: different we were. And he'd say to me, Hey, what's
Speaker 1: that one formation that we can't figure out, I said, Dot,
Speaker 1: you know, like he didn't know formations, he didn't know
Speaker 1: he just played. Yeah, and that was a different between
Speaker 1: the two of us. But we we took a cab
Speaker 1: every game and the Super Bowl is no different. So
Speaker 1: we go through pregame meal and you think about nowadays,
Speaker 1: you know, and particularly after nine to eleven, that's that's
Speaker 1: when it all really really changed. Helicopters and you know,
Speaker 1: concrete pillars a block around the stadium. You can't get
Speaker 1: anywhere near the stadium. So we get in a cab.
Speaker 1: We're driving to the stadium and I think the guy
Speaker 1: spoke broken English who was in the cab driving us,
Speaker 1: and uh, we get stuck in traffic, uh, just short
Speaker 1: of a mile from the stadium, and we're not we're
Speaker 1: not getting there, and Lyle's trying to get the guy
Speaker 1: to go up on the curb and that needles and
Speaker 1: red you know, and I'm like, you know, let's so
Speaker 1: we finally we get out of the cab and we're
Speaker 1: walking through the haill Gators three quarters of a mile
Speaker 1: through the stadium, through the parking lot with Lyle Alzado
Speaker 1: in a froth. So you know, that tells you how
Speaker 1: different it is now versus Did everyone know that you guys? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Lyle, you guess you're huge. Wile at one
Speaker 1: point sparred Muhammad Ali. I mean you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: and if you're a Washington fan, you know why I am.
Speaker 1: And you know who he is. And you know if
Speaker 1: you're a Raider fan, you know why I am.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: So it's it's one of the two in the stadium
Speaker 1: parking lot. And to see his face as the clock
Speaker 1: was ticking down, he's here's this card carrying bad man.
Speaker 1: You know you got to kill him kind of guy,
Speaker 1: and tears are just running down his face. I mean,
Speaker 1: the journey he had going from Denver to Cleveland over
Speaker 1: thirteen years. I think it was twelve years, thirteen years
Speaker 1: before he got to us, and UH for him to finally,
Speaker 1: you know, make it. And I remember Marcus, ironically enough,
Speaker 1: on the uh the counter ironically enough, the big run
Speaker 1: was off a blown counterplay. It was a counter sixty
Speaker 1: seven and Mark it got stuffed at the point of attack.
Speaker 1: Marcus Reset comes back and he's blowing everyone away, and
Speaker 1: you see this bullet come from behind him. If you
Speaker 1: look at the film, it's Cliff Branch running running close
Speaker 1: to Bim He you know, the gap between it was
Speaker 1: like it was like the kid from the Seahawks last
Speaker 1: week who picked.
Speaker 2: The ball off one ninety two yards, the big boy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You could see the wide receivers all kind of they're
Speaker 1: gearing it down, but.
Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a ah, a group of escorts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what Cliff was on Marcus's run. Now
Speaker 1: he ends up winning the m v P.
Speaker 2: Lyle boxed, Uh he did. Ah, what was supposed to
Speaker 2: be a charity. It was kind of a not a
Speaker 2: real exhibition exhibition, but lot to Lyle, it was a
Speaker 2: little more than that. Did he train? Oh, I'm sure
Speaker 2: he did. How did you How did he look? Oh?
Speaker 1: Do this was before me so I didn't really I've
Speaker 1: seen footage of it. But knowing Lyle, you know, he
Speaker 1: wanted to he wanted to land something.
Speaker 3: It was at Milehett Stadium is.
Speaker 2: At stadiumle a mile. Yeah. Now you you said when
Speaker 2: you guys were coming over there was a fight. You
Speaker 2: knew the team was ready. Yeah, you guys start off
Speaker 2: with the block punt touchdown? Yeah, is that when you
Speaker 2: kind of was that right there? When you kind of
Speaker 2: knew it was gonna be one of those days, or no,
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I I I. I kind of took it as.
Speaker 2: Fine.
Speaker 1: But I compartmentalized things and my job was my job,
Speaker 1: and I'm doing my job. And you know they weren't
Speaker 1: going to you know, five sacks wasn't going to happen.
Speaker 1: You know they're there, They made their adjustments and ran
Speaker 1: the plays they wanted to run, and you know, you're
Speaker 1: you take care of that. Got some pressures, but you
Speaker 1: you don't. You're not going to put up big numbers
Speaker 1: versus this team where they don't want you to. And
Speaker 1: they say, you stuck up on us earlier in the year.
Speaker 1: You know, now we're going to take care of it.
Speaker 2: No surprise now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's Marcus the one hundred and ninety one yards
Speaker 1: two tds Cliff Branch, like I said, Jim Plunkett, one
Speaker 1: of the great deep ball throwers. Just a beauty, full,
Speaker 1: tight spiral, great great deep ball thrower. And Cliff was
Speaker 1: the recipient of that on that day too.
Speaker 2: So you're a compartmentalizer, you guys. You guys go into
Speaker 2: halftime twenty one to three, there was the big play,
Speaker 2: So you already had a block punt for a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Then they tried to do that screen thing. Squire, Jack Squire,
Speaker 2: We substitute Matt Millen for a Nick Squier.
Speaker 1: O ye, and Jack Squier's got one job ghost whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, Joe Washington.
Speaker 2: And you guys pick it off and it's we ran
Speaker 2: a jet ripped blue slash, yeah, one of two maybe.
Speaker 1: Blitz as we ran icelant Ted goes inside. We bring
Speaker 1: this off strong safety off the corner. Joe Thaisman's pressured,
Speaker 1: he's drifting back and has to throw the ball on
Speaker 1: a kind of a more of a lob. And Jack
Speaker 1: Squier does his job and he's got a touchdown and
Speaker 1: it's a kind of a career defining play. He ended
Speaker 1: up get cracked by a wide receiver from Miami and
Speaker 1: at that point, whatever it was in their offense, had
Speaker 1: this big wide receiver came in and when I say cracked,
Speaker 1: you know backers, he cracked me. He just blew his
Speaker 1: job and wired his jaws shut and he was never
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, So how was halftime?
Speaker 1: Were you guys up or half times? Are like even
Speaker 1: at a Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Were they still long then? Too?
Speaker 1: They was along, but not as long as No it's
Speaker 1: a major production, you know now. To me, half time
Speaker 1: was nothing more than Okay, let's get.
Speaker 2: This over with. Let's let's get back out.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm in the middle of a thing here.
Speaker 1: Why do I need to come in here? You know,
Speaker 1: I'd rather just go play.
Speaker 2: Without a doubt. We used to use halftime for the adjustments.
Speaker 2: That was like a big thing.
Speaker 1: We were simple. We were the simplest defense you could run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we we were who we were, and we
Speaker 1: were big and physical, and we had two corners that
Speaker 1: were going to lock you down, going to lock you down.
Speaker 1: And they and that's a big story in the game
Speaker 1: is their ability to lock down the lock down their receivers.
Speaker 2: That was everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because in safeties could get down hill On Riggins
Speaker 3: linebacker like didn't have to just one on one lock
Speaker 3: up monk in Charlie Brown.
Speaker 1: It's a numbers game. You know, when you're running cover one,
Speaker 1: you can you could do some things with the safety
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 2: If you can run cover one, if you got guys
Speaker 2: that can cover, it makes the game.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that makes you would say. I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, Lester had a he stuttered a bit.
Speaker 1: You know, so when you're when you got a wide
Speaker 1: receiver coming in a crack or a receiver coming from
Speaker 1: the outside the crack, you want you want them to
Speaker 1: yell crack. Yeah, and see was a hard letter I
Speaker 1: think to start with. And he said, and I you know,
Speaker 1: he apologized eight three seven five. Sorry, So was it
Speaker 1: in this game? No, no, but it was just funny stutter.
Speaker 1: Leicester was the best. He should be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: I you know, he's it's there's some kind of contention
Speaker 1: there with the Senior Committee now, I think, but hopefully
Speaker 1: at some point he gets in. Yeah, he's definitely I wanted,
Speaker 1: you know, listen, cliff Branch should have been in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Yeah, And it broke my heart that,
Speaker 1: you know, we worked hard to try to you know,
Speaker 1: sway voters to you know, looking at him. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think the Raiders aren't necessarily a popular team with voters,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe there's in their opinion, there's too
Speaker 1: many guys from the Raiders in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you know. And Clifford passed away, you know,
Speaker 1: just before I ended up man, and I was so
Speaker 1: disappointed that he didn't have the.
Speaker 2: That's that's sad. Yeah, but you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: the politics all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's listen, it's subjective like anything else. You know,
Speaker 1: when did you know this was in the bag.
Speaker 2: This game? Because I mean, you guys were blowing them out.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure I allowed myself to. I
Speaker 2: was the same way. I was the same exactly way.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I lobed myself necessarily to do
Speaker 1: that when we're kind of running a clock out, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know you see Lyle on sidelines crying,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of yeah, it's it's there. Tom
Speaker 1: Floores was, you know, the perfect coach for a team
Speaker 1: like this. He was a man of few words, and
Speaker 1: you know when he did speak, it was, you know,
Speaker 1: it was, you know, something of significance. And you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to manage a group like this. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: a locker room like this, which is challenging locker room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you guys had cornerstone players like yourself and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys had the Raiders shit going, but there was
Speaker 2: still yeah, a group of guys that I mean, you
Speaker 2: guys won a few Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Well, Marcus comes out of college and you know, he's
Speaker 1: just the dominant, you know player. He can he could run,
Speaker 1: he could throw the ball. He played quarterback in high school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't realize that he made
Speaker 1: some you know, some good throws. And the one thing
Speaker 1: he was really good at and it's something that people
Speaker 1: don't factor in. Two things. One is as a chip blocker.
Speaker 1: I saw him butcher some defensive ends. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: he had to pick up a blitzer, he'd give you
Speaker 1: that kind of he'd give you that kind of headfake
Speaker 1: like he was going to go low on you and
Speaker 1: you go like this and get right out of the chick,
Speaker 1: get right under the chin. And he was He was
Speaker 1: just a smart, smart player and wasn't a guy that
Speaker 1: ran a four to three or broke so many big runs.
Speaker 1: Because of his you rarely got There are guys that
Speaker 1: some backs just you just don't get clean hits.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: You didn't get a lot of clean hits on Marcus.
Speaker 1: And he was so physically tough. He's a tough, tough player.
Speaker 2: You never see him got caught from behind either. Though,
Speaker 2: Like when you watch his old highlights, right He's kind
Speaker 2: of like Jerry Rice in that sense where he didn't
Speaker 2: run a four to three. That's a good analogy. He
Speaker 2: ran fourth, you know whatever he ran. But those guys
Speaker 2: on the field to just have field speed.
Speaker 1: There's a guy in the neighborhood who's running from somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, in my neighborhood. Yeah, they you know, some
Speaker 1: guys were fast and some guys weren't.
Speaker 2: You gotta be a fast guy. Yeah. The Raiders win
Speaker 2: thirty eight to nine. What did that moment feel like?
Speaker 2: As soon as the clock zero? Winning your first Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Like I said, you know, I thought this was easy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, young players early in your career.
Speaker 1: Do this again three four times, and you know, you
Speaker 1: come to realize later on that you know, unlike basketball
Speaker 1: or baseball or hockey, where it's best of three, best
Speaker 1: of five, it's one game. It's single elimination, which, isaak
Speaker 1: is why you know the game and the playoffs are
Speaker 1: so fascinating, and and you know, it's a salary cap
Speaker 1: league and players, you know, the same players who are
Speaker 1: there aren't necessarily going to be there. Uh, And you
Speaker 1: know what, you pull one guy out and another guy out,
Speaker 1: and suddenly the structure kind of you know, teeters a
Speaker 1: little bit, and and I think the ability to understand
Speaker 1: the significance of the moment. This team probably should have
Speaker 1: maybe won in eighty two, should have won maybe in
Speaker 1: eighty five, and we probably weren't. Maybe it's a muffed
Speaker 1: kickoff or a muffed punt or something something that ends
Speaker 1: up knocking you out when in reality the next matchup,
Speaker 1: we were probably better shooted for that matchup than the
Speaker 1: team that was going forward. Yeah, and you know that's
Speaker 1: on you, that's on your your group. And it's unlike
Speaker 1: baseball basketball. You know, it's a couple of players that
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2: There's no same team ever, No players and coaches leave
Speaker 2: every single time. Nobody cares about yesterday. No one cares
Speaker 2: about yesterday.
Speaker 1: No, no, And that's why I was always it was
Speaker 1: kind of like what was that movie with Ben a
Speaker 1: Fleckwerk and Morgan Freeman about the nuclear bomb and Russia.
Speaker 1: You know, the fascination that Morgan Freeman had as a
Speaker 1: government agent, some of all fears he had, there was
Speaker 1: that kind of fascination with their nuclear building. I was
Speaker 1: always fascinated by the patriots. Then building was kind of
Speaker 1: like the nuclear building. You didn't get in there. You know,
Speaker 1: there are very few people that were in there that survived.
Speaker 1: You were killed off somehow poisoned car runs you over, whatever,
Speaker 1: heart attack to a perfectly healthy person. So for me too,
Speaker 1: I was always fascinated as a broadcaster by the Patriots
Speaker 1: and your group and Bill and the way you went
Speaker 1: about your business, and you know, was wanted to get
Speaker 1: in the building. And it was like Morgan Freeman getting
Speaker 1: in the nuclear facility with Ben Affleck and seeing it
Speaker 1: finally and then walking out of it and thinking, am
Speaker 1: I gonna get shot here?
Speaker 2: Did Ben Affleck ever asked you to be in the town? No? No,
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: You know what they they nailed it. That's it's based
Speaker 1: on a book. I think, Uh Canlanergen book? Let me
Speaker 1: double check Prince of Thieves or something, or maybe I'm
Speaker 1: wrong on that.
Speaker 2: My grandma's from Charlestown and that movie starts with like
Speaker 2: Charlestown has the highest rate of per capita bank robbers, and.
Speaker 1: The robbers in the country more unsolved murders.
Speaker 2: He's like, that's not true, that's not true.
Speaker 1: You know, And and really what you're doing is you're
Speaker 1: in that movie, and and and they they captured maybe
Speaker 1: the the a small element.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We did have a lot of bank robbers, there were
Speaker 1: a lot of stolen cars, There were a lot of
Speaker 1: unsolved murders. But there are a lot of good people there,
Speaker 1: you know, very Irish Catholic neighborhood.
Speaker 2: What was the book, Prince of Thieves four? I was wrong.
Speaker 2: It's a chuck open book.
Speaker 1: It took place in an earlier time, but it was
Speaker 1: set in present day, So in present day, that's not
Speaker 1: what Charlestown was really like.
Speaker 2: At that time.
Speaker 1: It was like that when I was growing up, you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't a particularly tough kid, you know, so I
Speaker 1: didn't figure it out.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like Kyle.
Speaker 1: I didn't figure it out until I was like fifteen
Speaker 1: or sixteen.
Speaker 2: That wait a second, I don't have to take this shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, And.
Speaker 1: Going coming from there, you know, is a I think
Speaker 1: it is a good foundation, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: There's some tough, strong people there.
Speaker 1: And you know, you you look back on it, you go,
Speaker 1: you know, could what I've made things different? I don't
Speaker 1: know that I would, you know, And and did anyone
Speaker 1: think when I left there that I was gonna. I
Speaker 1: had never played organized sports. We played in the street,
Speaker 1: you know, we play played football on Rutherford Avenue in
Speaker 1: the the whatever. That building was next to Hood's Milk
Speaker 1: and the field was ten feet wide and you were
Speaker 1: right on the right on the freeway there. And when
Speaker 1: you ran that out route, you were really dedicated, you
Speaker 1: are because if you get pushed out of bounce.
Speaker 2: Could get hit, could get hit, could get hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, everything was done on blacktop and
Speaker 1: played baseball. No coaches, no parents, nothing, So you really
Speaker 1: the kind of foundational, kind of structure of sports to
Speaker 1: me was learned there. Now later on I ended up,
Speaker 1: you know, playing football in high school and college and
Speaker 1: you know, box a little bit and you know, did
Speaker 1: that and.
Speaker 2: Just grew.
Speaker 1: And when I got drafted, my wife and I can't
Speaker 1: remember where we were because I you know, people work
Speaker 1: out when you're in college and you're you know you're
Speaker 1: a prospect, particularly if you're a first round, second round prospect,
Speaker 1: you know you'll have a pro day. We didn't have
Speaker 1: a pro day. I worked out thirty four.
Speaker 2: Times in the snow, in the rain.
Speaker 1: I ran a forty on the front lawn of my
Speaker 1: dorm for a guy that was just checking a box
Speaker 1: because you know, most teams were not gonna draft me.
Speaker 1: Al Davis, did you know saw something in me that
Speaker 1: you know that I didn't see in myself? Really tell
Speaker 1: you the truth, Na.
Speaker 2: I didn't. You know. It was like Billanova was perfect
Speaker 2: for me. But that's what made you you that insecurity? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's why you prepare. And I see
Speaker 2: it in your eye.
Speaker 1: You never take anything for granted. And people make fun
Speaker 1: of me work because I write, I'm always writing, I'm
Speaker 1: always I'm I'm a I try to do things. I
Speaker 1: try to. There's nothing, there's nothing I leave for chance.
Speaker 1: I control as much much as you can control, the
Speaker 1: rest of it will take care of itself. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: give yourself the best possible chance to be successful in
Speaker 1: anything you do.
Speaker 2: You know, and you did. I mean, you've not only
Speaker 2: had an unbelievable football career, you're you've been in my
Speaker 2: house since I was before I can remember on my
Speaker 2: TV watching football thirty one years, a long time. It's
Speaker 2: it's outrageous. I mean, that's that's the crazy thing is
Speaker 2: people probably recognize you now more, way more for what
Speaker 2: you've done off the field. Which is that is the
Speaker 2: coolest thing ever.
Speaker 1: You go into seven eleven and you know, and the
Speaker 1: guy looks at you like you look a lot, like
Speaker 1: HOWI long? I say, yeah, I am get out? What
Speaker 1: are you doing in here? I said, getting some gum?
Speaker 1: You think I got somebody who goes in to get
Speaker 1: the GUMMB.
Speaker 2: Guy them guys, I love seven elevens. You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's most people are really nice. No, people are very.
Speaker 3: Nice, Jackie. What's aftermath of this game? Marcus Allen goes
Speaker 3: on to win Super Bowl MVP. In this one, twenty
Speaker 3: carries one hundred and ninety one yards two TVs. The
Speaker 3: Raiders become the first team to score in all three phases.
Speaker 3: Pretty crazy. Block punt pick six duchouns on offense and
Speaker 3: this in a Super Bowl pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: They become the second team in NFL history with three
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, right there with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: They would go eleven and five the next season, finishing
Speaker 3: third in the AFC West. Redskins would go eleven and
Speaker 3: five the next season, women in FC East and fall
Speaker 3: to Chicago in the divisional round, but Joe Gibbs would
Speaker 3: going to win two more super Bowls after this, uh
Speaker 3: and this would be the last Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Good Manders Terry and I just did his last year
Speaker 1: of the year before. We did his huge charity event
Speaker 1: up there, and he's he's he walks that, he talks
Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's the real deal.
Speaker 2: You never heard anyone say anything bad about Joe Gibbs
Speaker 2: was a good.
Speaker 1: Man, you know what I found out. And the last
Speaker 1: time I was there was Doug Williams was they had
Speaker 1: a kind of a verbal agreement. It was it wasn't finalized,
Speaker 1: but Doug Williams was traded to Al Davis and the
Speaker 1: Raiders while I was there, and we end up we
Speaker 1: end up getting h Jay Schrader. Uh So Williams, who
Speaker 1: is the prototypical Raider quarterback throws the nine route, the
Speaker 1: you know, the deep, the deep, strong seam route, big strong,
Speaker 1: athletic cannon for an arm Terry would have been great
Speaker 1: in our system too. And then I see there we
Speaker 1: make the transition to uh Fox and you know, Kenny
Speaker 1: Stabler's you know, he's one of those kind of it's
Speaker 1: he's become like a folklore.
Speaker 2: You know, the stories about him are crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Stories about a lot of people were crazy, and you
Speaker 1: know a lot of them were probably true.
Speaker 2: We'd be we'd be crazy not to ask how we long?
Speaker 2: What does it mean to be a Raider? It's hard
Speaker 2: to kind of sum it up, but it's it's the
Speaker 2: same thing that you probably get from people always asking
Speaker 2: me the Patriot way. Everyone asks you what does it
Speaker 2: mean to be a Raiate?
Speaker 1: It's it's toughness, it's you know, it's when when I
Speaker 1: first got there, it was really interesting because you know
Speaker 1: that guy on the left, Al Davis's is he's an iconic,
Speaker 1: you know, in the history of the NFL, between being
Speaker 1: the commissioner of the AFL and you know, then going
Speaker 1: over to the Raiders and coaching the Raiders and then
Speaker 1: you know, building three championship teams and drafting guys like
Speaker 1: I said, I think our shell's.
Speaker 2: Out of.
Speaker 1: Eastern Maryland Shores. You know, Willie Brown brings in Willie
Speaker 1: Brown and Maryland what is.
Speaker 3: It Maryland State which is now University of Maryland Eastern
Speaker 3: short correct?
Speaker 2: Right? Where did he? How did he? You know?
Speaker 1: There there was a scouting element and nobody in the
Speaker 1: building had a title, So ron Wolf was a GM.
Speaker 1: But you get there and you look around and you say,
Speaker 1: what does greatness look like?
Speaker 2: It's everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's Al Davis, it's Ron Wolf, it's Tom Floory's, it's Archell,
Speaker 1: It's Gene Upshaw, Freddie Blittnakoff is on the staff, Willie
Speaker 1: Brown's on the staff, Cliff branch Ted, Hendrix, Lyle Alzado.
Speaker 1: You know, everywhere you look, you know, there's and guys
Speaker 1: that Jim Otto, you know, it's it's it's the ghosts
Speaker 1: of Christmas Past. You know, it's you walked through the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and you know it's littered with the
Speaker 1: guys I'm talking about. And they were more than happy
Speaker 1: with as long as you were, you fit all the criteria,
Speaker 1: you were tough, you worked hard. You know, they would
Speaker 1: bring you along, you know, and and I, in turn,
Speaker 1: later on brought guys along. And that was part of
Speaker 1: our organizational. What made the organization special was and I
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine playing anywhere else. I couldn't imagine putting on
Speaker 1: any other uniform. But I was always intrigued by you know,
Speaker 1: I'd watch Minnesota, you know, with Doleman and you know,
Speaker 1: you know the groups when when I was playing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they ran you know, four man front.
Speaker 2: That was the Bears.
Speaker 1: I watched the Bears play in their forty six defense,
Speaker 1: I'd say, what would it be like to play in
Speaker 1: that defense? You know, I'm playing in a two gap sit,
Speaker 1: squat and catch and hope you get the third down.
Speaker 1: But there's no place I'd rather be.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way as a Patriot, though. Sure, Sure,
Speaker 2: that's the cool thing about you know where we're at,
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys played all of them one
Speaker 2: one team. There's not many of those at Fox.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been with two teams for forty four years,
Speaker 1: you know, Fox and the Raiders. And I'm not I.
Speaker 1: And that's me. I'm not you know, I don't change outfits. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I I. And then it's funny because
Speaker 1: yesterday I was in al Segundo and our practice facility
Speaker 1: used to be in a middle school in al Gondo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I remember driving to work the same route every
Speaker 1: day because if I didn't drive the same route every day,
Speaker 1: something might happen.
Speaker 2: And I don't know whether I'm.
Speaker 1: I'm not superstitious per se, but I was about football.
Speaker 2: I was about football that superstitious You drove the same
Speaker 2: route every day. Yeah, that's what I'm saying back. That's
Speaker 2: pretty sick. That's superstitious totally.
Speaker 1: And you don't realize it at the time. But I
Speaker 1: got dressed a certain way. I got you know, my routine,
Speaker 1: my dinner on Saturday, my everything had to be the
Speaker 1: exact same, you know. And I stood in the same
Speaker 1: place for the national anthem. I you know, there were
Speaker 1: things that I did. I always did my forties, you know,
Speaker 1: before anybody got there.
Speaker 2: And you know, if we cut your if we cut
Speaker 2: your legs off from like your femur, I think that
Speaker 2: would be me because I'm like the same way with
Speaker 2: all that stuff. Yeah, I was the same way with routine, routine, routine,
Speaker 2: And I would always say I wasn't superstitious, but I
Speaker 2: was super issues as fuck. I laid out my my
Speaker 2: my I would lay up my my uniform the same way.
Speaker 2: I would eat the same thing every night because that's
Speaker 2: I did it good once with that, so I thought
Speaker 2: I would always be like that.
Speaker 1: Driving through El Segundo yesterday, uh, you know, doing a
Speaker 1: sketcher spot, it reminded me of that whole thing. And
Speaker 1: I'm not really a I'm not really an LA guy.
Speaker 1: So you know, it wasn't for us, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to raise the boys somewhere else. Virginia was a good
Speaker 1: choice and doing that. But uh, and the the funny
Speaker 1: thing is you winning here is different than winning in
Speaker 1: New England. Oh yeah, because winning here. We were a
Speaker 1: team that came from Oakland. We went to LA. We
Speaker 1: won in our second year here. They never had a championship,
Speaker 1: I never had a Super Bowl champion here. Still have
Speaker 1: an amazing fan base down here. You know a lot
Speaker 1: of people travel to Vegas from LA from Oakland. We're
Speaker 1: kind of the Southwest Raiders, without a doubt. And but
Speaker 1: you win here, if you're the Dodgers or you're the Lakers,
Speaker 1: it's special. But you kind of feel like it's the
Speaker 1: championship that doesn't have a home or like a ship,
Speaker 1: what's what's that? In the Tom Cruise Law Firm movie,
Speaker 1: The Firm, The Firm, he's talking to the two mobster
Speaker 1: guys that the firm represents and he says, I'm a
Speaker 1: lot like a ship that's carrying a cargo that will
Speaker 1: never reach port and that team, there's a void to me.
Speaker 1: You go back to Boston and it's special.
Speaker 2: Yeah, LA really transplant It's tough. It's you're competing with
Speaker 2: so many different things.
Speaker 1: It's the Yellows Island of There are people from Chicago,
Speaker 1: there are people from Detroit, there are people from There's
Speaker 1: more bars here that have that people go to from
Speaker 1: another city to watch a football game on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Sonny Mcleans, Sonny McLean's Boston Bar, Baby Monica.
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen in Cleveland, That doesn't happen in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen in Chicago, that doesn't happen in New England.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: That is crazy to think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah. The Raiders, I feel, are different. They're
Speaker 2: not an LA team like you said, They're a South pirateship.
Speaker 2: That's the best way for them to do it, to
Speaker 2: go leave Oakland, win it in here and then go
Speaker 2: back like that.
Speaker 1: And we got to win in Vegas. That's The stadium
Speaker 1: is amazing. It's it's beautiful. It's probably as emblematic of
Speaker 1: any franchise from a stadium standpoint, visual rates, state, visually great.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the death star Land did in Vegas.
Speaker 2: No, it really is.
Speaker 1: And the practice facility beautiful, amazing, Our practice facility. There
Speaker 1: was always like a hammer and a two by four
Speaker 1: in every meeting room, and they were like those those
Speaker 1: shutters that you know in cheap buildings, where you know
Speaker 1: you can between the linebacker meeting and the defensive line meeting.
Speaker 1: If there was an argument in our room or there
Speaker 1: was a fight breaking out, Matt Miller will be peeking around.
Speaker 2: The divide the room, divide the room.
Speaker 1: So you know, Mark has done a They've gone from
Speaker 1: thirty second, thirty first in revenue to top five, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's great. We just got to get some
Speaker 1: stability and you know, and the quarterback, and that's what
Speaker 1: you need. You know, listen, that's what everyone needs. It's
Speaker 1: it's the hardest position to forecast, going from middle school,
Speaker 1: high school, high school to college, college to pros and
Speaker 1: if you don't go to the right place. And I
Speaker 1: thought Williams is going to a great place in Chicago.
Speaker 1: But the thing I didn't factor in was the coordinator
Speaker 1: and the old line was last year was young as
Speaker 1: sending offensive line. If you're not if you're not putting
Speaker 1: together the proper game plan to give the quarterback the
Speaker 1: young quarterback answers to every situation and meshing the run
Speaker 1: game with the pass game and bootlegs and taking advantage
Speaker 1: of what he does. Well, see Jade and Daniels whose
Speaker 1: coordinator was in the building in Chicago and they never
Speaker 1: even offered him. Now, I love the GM there and
Speaker 1: I love what they've built there from a personnel standpoint,
Speaker 1: but he made a mistake with the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a couple takes on that. I think
Speaker 2: there's about fourteen million because I like the kid. I
Speaker 2: think the kid's good. I think he's doing good, and
Speaker 2: he's progressed and he's improved, and he's shown probably.
Speaker 1: Drive that drive from the one yard line, a couple
Speaker 1: of them in Detroit. No, the one in Detroit at
Speaker 1: the end of the game, the one yard line and
Speaker 1: you're in you're in position at the very least, we're
Speaker 1: going overtime. How does that not happen? Well, well, you
Speaker 1: see the the autopsy on that is you know there.
Speaker 1: It was multiple causes.
Speaker 2: It was multiple Yeah, man, we got to score the
Speaker 2: game now real quick. We were taken so much time
Speaker 2: from from Howie. We appreciate you. We got to name
Speaker 2: the game out of any of these names, the Silver
Speaker 2: and Black beat Down, the Slaughter of the Hogs, the
Speaker 2: black Hole one. This one's for al the Marcus Allen games. Easy,
Speaker 2: which one is it? It's one of the final two.
Speaker 2: Just win, baby, or just one baby.
Speaker 1: That might be a new T shirt. You and I
Speaker 1: should do that. Don't put that out there publicly. You
Speaker 1: and I will do it.
Speaker 2: Just one Mark, cut the check. Let's go just one baby, baby?
Speaker 2: Score the game? Is this the greatest game of all time?
Speaker 2: Let's score it? Stakes zero to ten? Decimal z okay,
Speaker 2: the stakes of this Super Bowl game? The first? Is
Speaker 2: this the first? No? Is this the first of the Raiders?
Speaker 3: Third?
Speaker 2: Third? Third?
Speaker 1: We'd won an eighty one one? The first wildcard team
Speaker 1: is the wildcard inception to win that game? And that
Speaker 1: team you want to talk about, you know, bag of
Speaker 1: bonds and cast off. They It was amazing. It was
Speaker 1: amazing that they were and then they won to beat
Speaker 1: the Eagles.
Speaker 2: And stake zero to ten. That you got to store
Speaker 2: this game, I would say at that time, because it
Speaker 2: was such a lopsided they were favored I think by nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Raiders were big underdogs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huge underdogs. It was an afterthought that we were.
Speaker 1: We were just you know, we were kind of the
Speaker 1: you know, the guy that gets killed in seene one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, uh and uh and turns out we you know,
Speaker 1: end up being the leading man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh you know. And it's a huge win. It's
Speaker 2: a one.
Speaker 1: It's number three for the team, you know, and three
Speaker 1: super Bowls look a lot better than one super Bowl
Speaker 1: or even two.
Speaker 2: Uh. Star power, Marcus Allen, you had to score it though,
Speaker 2: the stakes of the game, the stakes of the game,
Speaker 2: I'd say probably at that point, probably a nine nine
Speaker 2: I believe nine two. Yeah, I think because of the
Speaker 2: Jack Washington's. Washington was a runaway truck. They set every
Speaker 2: record to this point in the NFL for offense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, this was this was a big win. Jack nine.
Speaker 2: I had a nine to one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'd have gone nine to five, but
Speaker 1: I mean I don't want to be too much of that. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm glazing. I'm glazing.
Speaker 2: Star Power zero to ten decimals, Okay, a lot of
Speaker 2: stars on this lot of Hall of famers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ed Hendrix, Yeah, Al Davis, you know, Gibbs, Gibbs,
Speaker 1: thives men, you know, uh yeah, Riggins, the Hogs, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, our our defense, Ted Hendricks, Lyle Alzado.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, great great players.
Speaker 3: Markerry, Barry Manielou was saying the national anthem, Barry Manilo stand,
Speaker 3: we take we take that into account as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go eight nine.
Speaker 2: Then I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, mister, but I'm not a Barry guy.
Speaker 2: I mean either, We'll go nine. A lot of Hall
Speaker 2: of famers here, man, there's a lot of this is
Speaker 2: a lot of legacy people.
Speaker 3: I went eight nine on the same ballpark here.
Speaker 2: The gameplay of the game, a little bit of a blowout,
Speaker 2: a little bit of a blow but three scores on all.
Speaker 3: Phases, the best defensive performances in Super Bowl history, best
Speaker 3: defensive in one of them. I think we held what
Speaker 3: it was it eight nine points thirty eight to nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Allen almost too hundre yards two touchdowns, I'd say
Speaker 2: at that point it was it was probably a nine.
Speaker 2: I'll go eight seven six seven. What I'm I think
Speaker 2: the blowout. You gotta have gameplays back and.
Speaker 1: Forth, but you know, you have to think about one
Speaker 1: is you know what a complete whipping it was, how
Speaker 1: much we were underdogs by and that we had lost
Speaker 1: to them earlier in the season, and they were a
Speaker 1: dominant team, A dominant team, it's like.
Speaker 2: How we will will you to change your score?
Speaker 1: No, it's like to be fair. It's it's a lot
Speaker 1: like New York, New England, you know. I mean I
Speaker 1: thought they gave you their best game, you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the season.
Speaker 2: There. I wasn't there for the yeah, the big Boy one.
Speaker 2: I was there for the eleven one. They got us twice.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of parallels between the Broncos and Seahawks
Speaker 5: Super Bowl with the like high flying Peyton Manning Broncos team.
Speaker 5: There was that fumble snap right from the beginning, and
Speaker 5: they just set the stage.
Speaker 2: And it was a blowout.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were a heavy defensive team. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now we got to score the name of the game.
Speaker 2: How we just one? Baby? I think that's a ten.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a ten. Yeah, I mean I haven't
Speaker 2: heard just one baby. That's that's good.
Speaker 3: I scored this before we came up with it. It's
Speaker 3: awesome name. Like, can I change my score? Oh, I'm
Speaker 3: going ten?
Speaker 2: I had no I never even thought of that. I
Speaker 2: moved I moved mine up. I did eight point one.
Speaker 2: What does it go? What is our total or average? Eight? Six?
Speaker 2: One where does it score? And all of our games eighth.
Speaker 5: Overall, just behind the two thousand and four ALCS game
Speaker 5: four Yankees versus Red Sox, and just ahead of the
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen NFC Championship Packers versus Seahawks.
Speaker 3: Ten's whoa whoa?
Speaker 2: Is it? It also factors in series or the Red Sox.
Speaker 2: That was great, That was awesome. That was just that game.
Speaker 2: That was but we talked a lot about the series.
Speaker 2: We talked it was that big pop what what about?
Speaker 2: What about the Miracle on ice? It's fourth overall.
Speaker 3: We had Jim Craigan here.
Speaker 1: Top for Jack Charlestown boy in that game, Jersey guy
Speaker 1: was fighting everybody.
Speaker 2: Did you know him?
Speaker 1: Yes, he's a little older than me. Jack probably didn't
Speaker 1: know I was around. Yeah, I mean but I was
Speaker 1: a younger guy.
Speaker 2: You know what people don't realize, Like, I don't think
Speaker 2: a lot of people know you're a Boston guy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: People think I'm from like Pasadena. Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 2: think a guy that looks like this is from Pasadena. H.
Speaker 5: When we had Jim Craig on to do that game,
Speaker 5: I put jewels on a Jack o'callahany just a shadow Charlestown.
Speaker 1: Jack O'Callahan, you know listen, star of the movie. I
Speaker 1: think you know he he was, you know, just he
Speaker 1: really emblematic of Charlestown. It was kind of a Charlestown guy,
Speaker 1: Charlestown Boston players versus Minnesota players.
Speaker 2: It was it was, it was real. It was a
Speaker 2: big thing. Could you eat so you got up on
Speaker 2: the ice and stuff? Oh yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I shot a Pizza Hut commercial on skates, did you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't even I don't even know whether you
Speaker 2: can find it.
Speaker 5: It's to look that up hockey tournament in the Charlestown
Speaker 5: rink after they closed that.
Speaker 2: Every sounds beautiful. Now, yeah, it's changed, is gentrified. If
Speaker 2: I work another four years, I can maybe afford to move.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe my grandma sold a triple decker on Elm
Speaker 2: Street for how much like seven hundred probably twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: Well that's now the bottom floor is worth a mill.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break. Howey, do
Speaker 2: we miss anything in this game?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the green Light podcast. I think Kyle
Speaker 1: on CBS. He's doing great.
Speaker 2: H he is a.
Speaker 1: You know, Chris, I talked about you when we came
Speaker 1: in here and said, you know, this is your deal.
Speaker 1: You're you're kind of running. You're you're the CEO here
Speaker 1: trying well. It's tough to do it is but I
Speaker 1: ask these guys are you know? And it's great. But
Speaker 1: Chris has to do that, you know, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot weighing on his shoulders. And you know he's doing
Speaker 1: inside the NFL with Bill, which is a totally weird
Speaker 1: kind of thing, but Bill's great.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's fun. I like the
Speaker 2: I like the the history thing. I like when he
Speaker 2: puts them all in breaks down film. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: we did for fifteen years, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I like when he gets in there, does his little
Speaker 2: history lesson and then test the fellows right there. And
Speaker 2: young Howie.
Speaker 1: Anybody needs a suite at the Raiders, just call Howie
Speaker 1: Long and tickets. He's uh, he works out there selling
Speaker 1: suitees and he's uh, he's the hard He's the only
Speaker 1: one in the family with a real job, you know.
Speaker 1: God bless you, Howie.
Speaker 5: And fun fact for a little games with names history,
Speaker 5: we had Chris and Kyle Long come on the show.
Speaker 2: They did the double point game and.
Speaker 5: Their moment where they tell the story that that was
Speaker 5: tipped is our best viewed video all time for a
Speaker 5: whole show, nineteen million views on YouTube, them telling the
Speaker 5: real story behind the double.
Speaker 2: Doing nineteen million.
Speaker 1: People don't realize how hard it is as a dad
Speaker 1: and a mom to watch the those games, particularly when
Speaker 1: they played against each other, because it's not like the
Speaker 1: Mannings where they're both playing quarters.
Speaker 2: They're going against each other.
Speaker 1: They're going against each other. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: when Kyle came up with the Bears to practice up there,
Speaker 1: and it was interesting, two things. Two things stuck out
Speaker 1: to me in that thing was Chris. Chris was a
Speaker 1: looper on a t stunt and Kyle has to pass
Speaker 1: off the tackle and he comes back and he's probably
Speaker 1: half a step behind, but punches Chris in the ribs
Speaker 1: and fractures his rips, breaks his rips.
Speaker 2: And then joint practice and remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I see Bill after the game, and I'm
Speaker 1: very respectful of Bill, you know. Uh, I don't I
Speaker 1: think I call him Bill. I don't call him coach.
Speaker 1: I might have called him coach.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a hard kind of transition for me,
Speaker 1: you know. And I said to me, said, he said, hey,
Speaker 1: you're you know, we talked about Chris for a second.
Speaker 1: He said, hey, your boy your other boys said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't he's figuring things out, he said, and he
Speaker 1: kind of did you know, Bill ponder something for about
Speaker 1: four three four seconds and he said he might be.
Speaker 1: He's the best garden football And you know, coming from
Speaker 1: Bill who doesn't throw roses, you know, he's not giving
Speaker 1: the flowers out, you know a lot.
Speaker 2: It was. That's a big deal. That's a huge deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how good Kyle Kyle was.
Speaker 1: I was healthy, he was, you know, one thing after
Speaker 1: another was like the nex fusion, shoulder, elbow, his ankle,
Speaker 1: you know, tendon popped out. He you know, so there
Speaker 1: were things that piled up on him. But if he
Speaker 1: could have stayed healthy, we're having a different conversation.
Speaker 2: He did. I mean, he did damn well.
Speaker 1: He made great you know, but you know, I'm saying
Speaker 1: he was on the trajectory to be without a doubt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like the logan Mankins, you know that kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, stout just small people logan.
Speaker 2: That dude. He was. He was the coolest teammate I.
Speaker 1: Saw him in Boise at a bowl game when he
Speaker 1: played left tackle in college, and I'm saying, who in
Speaker 1: God's name is that guy from Boise playing left tackle?
Speaker 1: I'm watching the game, and you know, your eyes, your
Speaker 1: eyes go to players, you know, you walk on the
Speaker 1: field and I know who the two three guys are,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you just whether it's Pop Warner
Speaker 1: or high school or college or pro, you just your
Speaker 1: eyes are drawn. And my eyes went right to Logo Mangans.
Speaker 2: He was the nastiest man. I'm just talking pure like
Speaker 2: punch you in the face kind of boy. He's like
Speaker 2: a cowboy. He's a cowboys but like off the field quiet,
Speaker 2: where's car hard back?
Speaker 1: Once I met him once, he you know, he walked
Speaker 1: up and said he loo and said it was good
Speaker 1: to finally meet you. Because I would talk about him
Speaker 1: a lot on TV because I liked him. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I had great respect for.
Speaker 2: He bought a bunch of land and you know, right
Speaker 2: outside of Foxborough and he just farms it. That's all.
Speaker 2: He like, wakes up at four in the morning and
Speaker 2: he farms this land.
Speaker 1: You know, Uh, everyone's got their own thing. That's that's
Speaker 1: log I just want to be able to say if
Speaker 1: I if I own a house, I have to be
Speaker 1: able to sit on the porch and my box of
Speaker 1: shorts and not be seen. Yeah, you know, so all
Speaker 1: my houses are I can do that.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe one day I'll get to sit. I got
Speaker 2: to come check you guys out.
Speaker 1: I got to come up to Montana. He's God's country.
Speaker 1: I know it is God's country.
Speaker 5: Before we wrap up real quick, you mentioned players of
Speaker 5: your eyes just gravitate towards you played with Bo Jackson.
Speaker 2: What's it like being on the field with him?
Speaker 1: You know, God spent a little bit more time than
Speaker 1: just putting his hand on somebody's shoulders there and saying
Speaker 1: you're gifted. He came out of a different a different
Speaker 1: kind of conveyor.
Speaker 2: Jeez, Bo was listen.
Speaker 1: I remember sitting behind the offense first week he was there,
Speaker 1: in a team period on offense. I'd sit there on
Speaker 1: my helmet behind the offense and I'd watch. I'd watch,
Speaker 1: you know, I always like formations, and yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it was of no consequence to me because we're not
Speaker 1: playing against ourselves. But they pitch him the ball and
Speaker 1: it was just asynthighs this high off the ground and
Speaker 1: he's running faster than everyone. He ran like a four
Speaker 1: to one nine.
Speaker 2: I think he's ran faster than everyone.
Speaker 1: He ran faster than everyone. He was two thirty and
Speaker 1: could eat a cheeseburger and never go in the weight room.
Speaker 1: And there are a few guys you could lock in
Speaker 1: a room for three months and they could come out
Speaker 1: and be great. Barry Sanders, Dion Sanders, Bo and maybe
Speaker 1: a couple other guys. You know, uh Bo was. He
Speaker 1: was truly of a shooting star. It was like playing
Speaker 1: with Elvis. You know, you had to go in the
Speaker 1: back of the hotel. They had to you know, there
Speaker 1: were there were things that you had to do as
Speaker 1: an organization because he was so big. He'd be imagine
Speaker 1: him today, yea be so big. Yeah, a great guy.
Speaker 1: He called me just a couple of weeks ago. We
Speaker 1: had a death in one of the families and he
Speaker 1: wanted to let me know. He's a good guy.
Speaker 2: I love bo. Bo knows bo I wrote the Ford
Speaker 2: in his book. Man, that's dope, Howie. I appreciate you
Speaker 2: so much for coming and taking the time.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. This is been a nice spot
Speaker 1: up here. You've got good people working with you. There's
Speaker 1: nobody I want to slap on the way out.
Speaker 2: You know, a successful day for us, then thank you,
Speaker 2: Ali Man legend, legend. I feel like I have my
Speaker 2: dad in I feel like ad like my dad's around
Speaker 2: on how we I had so many more like jokey
Speaker 2: questions to ask him. Didn't want to ask him. I
Speaker 2: didn't want to let how He down in the least
Speaker 2: I did clam up on one of them. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to ask him. I don't want to disappoint him.
Speaker 3: I was wishing somebody would pull up so we could have.
Speaker 2: Fucked them up. If someone pulled I felt the safest
Speaker 2: I've seen I felt in this.
Speaker 3: House with a threat certified not a threat, not clear.
Speaker 2: We're gonna make a T shirt for a jack not
Speaker 2: a threat, a threat not a threat. The arrow.
Speaker 3: Man, Hey, I would take a bullet for Howie though,
Speaker 3: I'll I'll do whatever it takes. You jump in front
Speaker 3: of Bush for sure for how we are all day,
Speaker 3: mister Lung, Mister Lung, I didn't see. I don't don't
Speaker 3: think I slipped up inside of Howie in there.
Speaker 2: I started thinking of about it. No, I think you
Speaker 2: can you guys, teammates I know, but it's what's crazy.
Speaker 2: You know the guy that gets some dip, Now that's me.
Speaker 2: I get him.
Speaker 3: What are you a crack dealer?
Speaker 2: Are you a crack dealer? It's crazy that I didn't
Speaker 2: even notice that.
Speaker 5: But like pretty much everyone on the Fox team has
Speaker 5: been on the same team, like their same football team.
Speaker 2: Like Howie went the Raiders Terry with. The only one
Speaker 2: is is Rob. He went to Tampa and both Jimmy,
Speaker 2: but Rob's kind of that. Rob doesn't seem Rob still
Speaker 2: yeah different, he's a Patriots different and he's a Patriot,
Speaker 2: but he's also transcendence. He went with Tom. Yeah, transcends.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, mister Long came and fitted.
Speaker 3: He was fitted.
Speaker 2: He was fitted.
Speaker 3: He could wear the heck out of his cargo pants.
Speaker 2: Cargo pants and a cool jean jacket. Nice like cut
Speaker 2: of it. He looks great. I've never seen sketchers be
Speaker 2: swaggy before. Dude, Sketchers. I see those sketchers. He wears
Speaker 2: Sketchers all the time at work. I'm like, are those vans.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, he's in new Sketchers.
Speaker 3: I've never seen that model. I figured they must be
Speaker 3: sketches given his deal, but I've never seen them sketch Mike,
Speaker 3: get in there, bro, like.
Speaker 2: I might get the indy. By the way, this he
Speaker 2: loves nuclear war movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah he did.
Speaker 2: He reference three. He could have been Jack. He's one
Speaker 2: hundred percent Jack Reacher should be Howie Long.
Speaker 3: He's like he likes his movies like he likes himself
Speaker 3: a weapon of mass destruction.
Speaker 2: Dude. He see he checking to see if he's still
Speaker 2: I'm checking to see which.
Speaker 3: I love his his his broad spectrum of knowledge of
Speaker 3: you're referencing the firm and then you're referencing Mike Jones
Speaker 3: in the same episode what was Credible?
Speaker 2: And then also I can see Chris and Kyle just saying.
Speaker 3: He won three three oh eight zero zero five.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, those two must have been a handful,
Speaker 2: Like how he had to be like that with those
Speaker 2: two boys, Kyle, Chris. Chris is such a smart ass
Speaker 2: and Kyle is just crazy. He's just crazy. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would have loved to get some more. And they're both
Speaker 2: like they're like both really smart guys, so they can
Speaker 2: scheme the fuck out of their parents.
Speaker 3: Probably probably the same way. Oh my god, legendary shout
Speaker 3: out Chris.
Speaker 2: And green Light. We love those guys out over there.
Speaker 3: Green Light shout out Charlottesville, Virginia, all those guys. I
Speaker 3: wonder what how he landed in Virginia. I know he
Speaker 3: said they picked Blake it's beautiful, a cool place, but
Speaker 3: I wasn't asking that.
Speaker 2: I think it was it was just under the Macy
Speaker 2: Dixie close to an airport. Probably he's probably got all
Speaker 2: everything's mapped out to a tea with him. You know,
Speaker 2: he's got like well just that like or time schematics. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he probably has a rule where he has to live
Speaker 2: like forty five minutes from an airport.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he travels a you know what I mean when
Speaker 5: when you think of football, you think of like how
Speaker 5: long like.
Speaker 3: He is didn't get to ask about the neck roll,
Speaker 3: didn't get a neck roll, and didn't get a flat
Speaker 3: top question.
Speaker 2: He didn't get a flat top question, but everyone asked
Speaker 2: him a flat top question. I think P M. T
Speaker 2: did that well. I mean we did get what Al
Speaker 2: Michael smells like or Al Davis smells like his own clones,
Speaker 2: his own Do you think he makes it like he
Speaker 2: had it like he.
Speaker 3: He's like an alchemist. Yeah, he's in there, dude, Savage
Speaker 3: by Al Davis. We should cut like a like an
Speaker 3: Al Davis commercials Wolves in the Desert.
Speaker 2: You know who would be in it? For our hunk?
Speaker 2: How long? How long? Just wait? Just just one baby.
Speaker 3: He liked that we got a trademark that we should
Speaker 3: hit up Tom Radio over.
Speaker 2: There, but we got to give him half the trademark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get about.
Speaker 2: How Tom is. You know the Raiders.
Speaker 5: Tom peached the whole thing. What we don't be talking about,
Speaker 5: like the Tom was the Raiders now and d culture, and.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about anything. I just got I got
Speaker 2: intimidated probably that come on the show. We have audience.
Speaker 5: You know, we have probably fifty questions that don't get
Speaker 5: asked because there's so much information we'd want to hear
Speaker 5: from them, the amount of stories, the amount of experience
Speaker 5: they've had, Like.
Speaker 2: We always I didn't want to ask him a question
Speaker 2: that to make him like, all right, I'm the.
Speaker 3: Cutting room floors, questions up to our ankles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which he would never do that. No, No, he
Speaker 2: would never do that, but I would never put him
Speaker 2: in a position to do it. We played that, well,
Speaker 2: that was great. I like that. It's a it's an
Speaker 2: elevator guest, a Hall of Famer in the Nuthhouse. I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 7: No Ritchie incognito, Richie Max, first Legacy Raider, first leg
Speaker 7: first old School Raider, first old School super Bowl Champion Raider,
Speaker 7: first Super Bowl Champion raider, first smoking cigarettes, and the
Speaker 7: locker room raider.
Speaker 2: I don't think he did it.
Speaker 3: He did not, No, no, no, man, man, that was
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna be doing an Ala.
Speaker 2: Davis all day today, for the rest of the day.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine those guys at twenty six years old,
Speaker 2: twenty seven, twenty eight, how big and like just fucking
Speaker 2: bro cool they were. Oh my gosh, we were bro cool.
Speaker 2: I bet we were. We were sitting sleet late. I
Speaker 2: bet you in the weight room, their fucking attire was
Speaker 2: so sick, like fucking just crop top gen or crop
Speaker 2: top shirts. Fucking like just straight program shit, rusty old weights.
Speaker 3: Somehow the seventy five pounds weighs more than the seventy
Speaker 3: five pounds today, like just rusty and heavier and grittier.
Speaker 2: Probably some shitty ass coffee in there, some thick coffee,
Speaker 2: some instant joint.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sick by the airport, he said, practice coming
Speaker 3: over to the whole hot drinks it.
Speaker 2: Rig guys smoking cigarettes. So we're in the fucking training room.
Speaker 3: What a team and preparing for this episode watching the
Speaker 3: NFL films, Like you need NFL films and the Raiders.
Speaker 2: You gotta they go hand in hand. It was just
Speaker 2: fill film football. That was that's some real cool footage.
Speaker 2: NFL films. They've they've been around table a long time.
Speaker 2: Yes they do. They So that's a different company or
Speaker 2: the NFL owns it.
Speaker 5: NFL Films, from my understanding, was its own adjacent company.
Speaker 5: I do believe it's under the NFL purview now as
Speaker 5: well as potentially.
Speaker 2: But it's still like a Jordan thing, you know, like
Speaker 2: Jordan and Nike, where it's like carved out for sure,
Speaker 2: like Jordan's.
Speaker 5: I mean, our cold open is literally inspired by an
Speaker 5: autumn wind is a raider that that little sequence the music.
Speaker 2: And that.
Speaker 3: The autumn wind is a raider pillage and you look
Speaker 3: at the big one.
Speaker 2: Seventy five, all right, what is this? Uh So we're
Speaker 2: gonna try a little something new, something a segment.
Speaker 3: Watching I've been I've been I've been watching my my
Speaker 3: Andy Cohen been hearkening back to the old Jay Leno
Speaker 3: days of you got to brand these segments a headline
Speaker 3: for you. J Jay walks, but we do Jack asks.
Speaker 3: Jack's asks kind of like Jackass, but Jack asks, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what do we think of that?
Speaker 2: Just tell us about jackasses a little bit.
Speaker 3: I don't don't don't let juwel see these questions. This
Speaker 3: is we get a lot of call. We love hearing
Speaker 3: from the fans. We love hitting the hotline, and we
Speaker 3: we like those off the wall questions. We like those
Speaker 3: out of left fielders.
Speaker 2: We like the would you rathers?
Speaker 3: Something kind of makes you think since with you all
Speaker 3: day puts you on the spot, so to speak, not
Speaker 3: quite the hot seat, but a little warm like WHOA
Speaker 3: didn't think of that?
Speaker 2: Feel like when you press the heat seater on just
Speaker 2: one dot instead of three against three dots.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're one dot, we're one dot, one dot in it. Well,
Speaker 3: maybe work our way up to three, but we're not
Speaker 3: there yet. It's only December. We don't need it all right.
Speaker 2: Let's get let's actually do this segment. You can do
Speaker 2: the segment.
Speaker 3: These are questions that they it's a little bit telling.
Speaker 3: You can tell a lot about someone through these jewels
Speaker 3: without further Ado. Are you ready?
Speaker 2: I'm ready? All right.
Speaker 3: First on our list, we're in the last latter part
Speaker 3: of the NFL season. What's next on your vacation destination list?
Speaker 3: My my vacation off season vaka.
Speaker 2: I want to go to Japan.
Speaker 3: I had a feeling that was going to be in there.
Speaker 2: I want to go to Japan so bad. I want
Speaker 2: to go to Tokyo, Kyota, Kobe, Soca Socca. My dad went
Speaker 2: there when he was when he was young and with
Speaker 2: the commands, man, I like that. I want to check
Speaker 2: that out. I think I'm gonna go to where. Am
Speaker 2: I going to Whistler? That's right?
Speaker 3: You and Rob right, we're gonna go to Whistler Ski
Speaker 3: That's gonna be awesome, or else snowboard your border.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I need to get to Europe.
Speaker 2: I haven't been to Europe. I haven't I need I
Speaker 2: don't travel that all. I need to travel like it's
Speaker 2: internationally more. I haven't been out of the States other
Speaker 2: than like South America. I went to Brazil. Actually I have.
Speaker 2: I've traveled recent but I want to get back to Europe.
Speaker 2: There's so many places in Europe I've never been. I've
Speaker 2: never been to the Asias. I want to go to
Speaker 2: a bunch of Asian countries. I want to go to,
Speaker 2: like I would love to see like China, Like I
Speaker 2: want to see the Great Wall of China. Yeah, that'd
Speaker 2: be fucking crazy. And there's a lot of like we
Speaker 2: don't know anything about China, Like you don't ever hear
Speaker 2: about it. But you know, my Don Yee, he always
Speaker 2: talks about how cool it is over there, And I
Speaker 2: would want to go with like a local like him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also I want to go to like Thailand. I
Speaker 2: want to go to you know, Japan. I want to
Speaker 2: go to Seoul, Korea, South Korea. That'll be tight, you know.
Speaker 2: I think it'd be really great inspo. I like that vibe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: something about you Jack, where you going? Oh man?
Speaker 3: I also my boys trying to get me in March
Speaker 3: to do a japan but.
Speaker 2: A golf trip. He's got it.
Speaker 3: He's got his eye on these sort of they got
Speaker 3: these trips by like golf packages do like a Japanese
Speaker 3: golf trip.
Speaker 2: Isn't it snowy still there? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I haven't looked into it too much. I'm a little
Speaker 3: like it's still a little foreign to me everything about it. No,
Speaker 3: no pun intended. I would like to get back to uh.
Speaker 3: Every every three to four months, I get a New
Speaker 3: York hitch. I got to get back to New York.
Speaker 3: It's not very much nothing sexy there. Okay, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a different story for a different day. I would like
Speaker 3: to get to Europe. I've only really ever been to uh,
Speaker 3: only ever been to uh London. I'd like to like
Speaker 3: to hit a Paris maybe, Uh, you've been to Paris
Speaker 3: only never been? Only been in London, never been. I
Speaker 3: want to go to I want to go to Europe deeper.
Speaker 3: Would you show me around? I don't know that well,
Speaker 3: I know, but we go together, Yeah, we go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm a good travel comittian.
Speaker 2: I had to cancel because we launched Dudes on Dudes.
Speaker 2: I still eating shift from that for my wife.
Speaker 3: Hey, you got Hawaii on the horizon. You're good. You're good, bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah to Paris in the off season. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I want to go. Say all this, and you'll probably
Speaker 2: end upon going anywhere because I'll have to go do
Speaker 2: work ship or The only trouble I really do is
Speaker 2: for like, if I have to go to a city
Speaker 2: to do something, for work. Maybe Ireland next year.
Speaker 3: Oh, I would love to go to Ireland, to the Homeland. Shoot,
Speaker 3: we'll just kind of we'll just cut of games with
Speaker 3: names in the g.
Speaker 2: I was just mister Baseball.
Speaker 3: Let you a mister Baseball episode, all right? Next on
Speaker 3: our list, Jules go to gas station snack pulling over.
Speaker 3: You're driving the stang, you pull off for a little
Speaker 3: snacks anymore.
Speaker 2: I just get I'll get a coffee. I'll get a
Speaker 2: coffee either hot. I'll sometimes get half coffee if it's
Speaker 2: in the morning it's a little nippy out. But I'll
Speaker 2: take like a some kind of like cold brew of
Speaker 2: some sort like that. Get a get a tin, maybe
Speaker 2: a couple different bubble gums. Back in the day, I
Speaker 2: get like a corn nut.
Speaker 3: Oh your really, cornuts are underrated. Great gas stations neck
Speaker 3: I would get like chips, chips, slushy slurpy slushy do
Speaker 3: all day, all day. I didn't realize.
Speaker 2: So and then then I went to Ohio and I
Speaker 2: was introduced to sheets. It's like, what this is. This
Speaker 2: is a gas station experience. You get fucking hullo, paniol, poppers,
Speaker 2: beef jerky. It's a way of life. Yes, there's other
Speaker 2: ones like that around the country too. Yeah. I never
Speaker 2: be loves BUCkies. Yeah, those are some badass ship It's
Speaker 2: like it's an experience I remember, like I gotta go
Speaker 2: fill up my cart. It's a very Yeah, it's uniquely
Speaker 2: I'm pretty cheap yo. Yeah, they're great. Good. I got
Speaker 2: a lot going on there. You know, there's cool little
Speaker 2: like gas stations here. I remember the one gas station
Speaker 2: in Boston that had a Mexican restaurant in it, and uh,
Speaker 2: Beacon Hill. Yeah that's pretty good. But there's always a
Speaker 2: little Mexican spot in some gas stations when I'm driving
Speaker 2: to like the Lake or something that all fucking on
Speaker 2: triple D type spots. Get a little couple of car
Speaker 2: you know, give me some Cardie Carne. Probably gotta cut
Speaker 2: that out. It's some unleaded unleaded Yeah, all right. Next
Speaker 2: on the list, we talked to golf earlier. What's your
Speaker 2: favorite club to hit in the bag these days? Favorite
Speaker 2: club to hit? What's feeling good? Zero? None of them
Speaker 2: right now. Nothing's feeling pure, not fear. I'm not feeling
Speaker 2: very pure right when it comes down to it. My
Speaker 2: seven Amen, me too, me too, even or odds iron guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I'm a seven seven nine, so I'm odds yeah, seven
Speaker 3: and nine or two of my yep.
Speaker 2: And I love my uh I love my uh my fifty.
Speaker 2: I like my fifty like night, like my one one
Speaker 2: and one ten, and in using my fifty, I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm pretty decent with that.
Speaker 3: I feel like we're doing for a more park outing years.
Speaker 2: Who know, my driver just sucks right now?
Speaker 3: Is all right?
Speaker 2: We'll get there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just nice and easy. Let the club do the work.
Speaker 2: You're good. It's more of like my slot. Fucking what's
Speaker 2: his name? Got in my goddamn head, Oh Ryan, Max
Speaker 2: Homer or what is oh h the video talk about
Speaker 2: my goddamn slot. So I go to my goddamn coach.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, what's up my slot? What's up with
Speaker 2: my slot?
Speaker 3: You in the slot not being hand in hand? Is
Speaker 3: teams wrong?
Speaker 2: I thought I Slotty Pippin fucking bullshit, freaking homahma, come on,
Speaker 2: Homa on the show. Yeah, come on the show. Give
Speaker 2: me a goddamn golf list. Come on, baby, I'm a
Speaker 2: damn dimple head here bro abg always be golfing.
Speaker 3: Next up on our list, Jules what's a show.
Speaker 2: Or a movie you've been rocking with lately? Been watching
Speaker 2: land Man, Oh, Billy Bob, Billy Bob Taylor's Sharon, I
Speaker 2: gotta get on that. I like it. I like Billy
Speaker 2: Bob Thorton's and I don't know, I don't know Texas
Speaker 2: stuff like that, like the Gas. You know, it's fun
Speaker 2: to watch those kind of things and see, like the
Speaker 2: Hollywood version of what they think of it.
Speaker 3: And Billy Bob's Taylor made for that kind.
Speaker 2: Of Taylor that. I also like Lioness. That's really good, dude,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I dropped it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I watched Landman, I don't know who told me about Lameman,
Speaker 2: and then I saw someone talking about Lioness. Like these
Speaker 2: are two pretty good shows. I like Paramount's content me too.
Speaker 2: I like the t s EU. What else is there
Speaker 2: out right now? What are you watching? I'm watching?
Speaker 3: I'm watching Shrinking here and there a little bit getting
Speaker 3: in there, got good stuff. I need to get into
Speaker 3: land Man, catching up on my blow deck. I want
Speaker 3: to watch that new Salt Lake City selling salt Lake
Speaker 3: on Bravo. Southern Charms back, Baby, you know, I'm deep in.
Speaker 2: That don't even know what that is.
Speaker 3: It's great stuff, really good stuff. What else am I
Speaker 3: rocking with?
Speaker 2: I like this.
Speaker 3: I like Universal, Basic Guys, animation, domination, but we need
Speaker 3: the Great North and we need family guy back.
Speaker 2: Come on now, I've been watching.
Speaker 3: I watched some Christmas stuff recently. Actually, yeah, it has
Speaker 3: to come out movies.
Speaker 2: The thing is, it takes me forever to watch a
Speaker 2: show because I'll start watching my show when I put
Speaker 2: my kid down, and by that time, after being in
Speaker 2: the car three hours the whole day going to soccer practice,
Speaker 2: fucking tutor this that it's like full time thing. I'm done.
Speaker 2: I can never pay attention and I have the tension span.
Speaker 2: So I'm like what, I throw all on my show
Speaker 2: after day and I throw it on a It takes
Speaker 2: me to watch a forty five minute show takes me
Speaker 2: like four nights.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, bro, long days man. Yeah, this Nutcrackers.
Speaker 3: There's new Ben Stealer one.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 3: It was really it's a Ben Stealer a Christmas movie.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I want to see it. You gotta watch it.
Speaker 3: It's really good watch with Lily Kid. It's in the middle,
Speaker 3: it's right in the middle.
Speaker 2: He's eight now, so she's pretty much adult.
Speaker 3: It's right in the middle. It was Danny McBride. Those
Speaker 3: guys are behind it too.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know if she's ready. It's good.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's good. He's eight. You're gonna throw like
Speaker 2: there's likely dongs and stuff in this.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no a soft no, it is not there.
Speaker 3: It's this isn't This isn't Gemstones. This is family friendly
Speaker 3: ish ish. You gotta would frankly you watch what do
Speaker 3: you let you watch?
Speaker 2: Like our stuff? When you're let me they let me
Speaker 2: watch anything. I older brother though, same, oh seven years older.
Speaker 2: It's watching Rambo like three fucking Rocky.
Speaker 3: At one I was going to see like Borat when
Speaker 3: I was like eleven, Like, yeah, expose last one. This
Speaker 3: is a This is kind of crazy, bro, no football
Speaker 3: for a year or break a leg?
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Would so? Would you rather? Would
Speaker 2: you rather have no football for a year if you.
Speaker 3: Just can't watch you can't check scores, can't watch highlights.
Speaker 2: Or have a broken leg. I might like that or
Speaker 2: like break even no not watching football? Oh, I might
Speaker 2: love it. I may take not watching football for one
Speaker 2: year because every time I watch the game, I just
Speaker 2: it's just constant flashbacks and like situational shit. You don't
Speaker 2: even enjoy it. I'm sitting there like, all right, I
Speaker 2: can talk about that. Oh that's fucking terrible. Oh sick
Speaker 2: play reminds me of this play back in this game.
Speaker 2: Like that's what's going through my mind when I'm watching
Speaker 2: these things. That's why when you guys see me watching it,
Speaker 2: like when we watch the the pre cuts and like
Speaker 2: we have a bunch of research for all the you know,
Speaker 2: our guests, I'll sit and I'll watch it and I'll
Speaker 2: tell everyone to shut up. I'm like, yo, I gotta
Speaker 2: one second, please, because I want to hear. I want
Speaker 2: to hear the contact. I want to hear what the
Speaker 2: announcers saying. I want to be involved. I'm so involved.
Speaker 2: I hate it, that's man. I kind of like, so
Speaker 2: this is not even a punishment. This might be the reward.
Speaker 2: People like no football, and I'm so sick of rehab.
Speaker 2: I'm so sick of rehab. I will not fucking I'm
Speaker 2: That's why I get so scared about playing the pickleball
Speaker 2: and like explosive shit, I'm not trying to pull out
Speaker 2: an Achilles, and I've done so much physical therapy. I'm
Speaker 2: so sick of it. Where I could go and live
Speaker 2: a very happy life, I don't have to do that
Speaker 2: no more. But I have to go get my fucking
Speaker 2: shoulder fixed because it's it's hurt.
Speaker 3: I like to imagine you just go off the grid,
Speaker 3: travel Asia all football season, come back chief to one another,
Speaker 3: and you don't care, and you're just a new man.
Speaker 3: You're like you've you've traveled all over Asia. I would
Speaker 3: love all football season, don't even think about ball. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's why I'm envisioning.
Speaker 2: I'm envisioning. I think I need to go live with
Speaker 2: the criminals in China. You know you know how he
Speaker 2: did he not like not China being criminals, but like
Speaker 2: the bad people in China or not China. Where was he? Uh?
Speaker 2: Japan snowy and there's probably Samurai Samurai's Japan, but China still,
Speaker 2: God damn big. It could be China. China is a
Speaker 2: huge country, continent thing, both in population and in land
Speaker 2: masks both. That's why I bet you there's so like
Speaker 2: because they don't really show their ship off. There's like
Speaker 2: I was watching in China. Getting back to the travel, shit.
Speaker 2: There wasn't isn't there like something discovered in China recently,
Speaker 2: Like archaeologists discovered some like crazy shit, but it's hard
Speaker 2: to get any information out of it because China it
Speaker 2: doesn't allow any of the That's what I want to
Speaker 2: go see. I want to go see the the hidden
Speaker 2: shit because China. And it's also fascinating to me that
Speaker 2: like Asian culture is like the oldest culture in the world,
Speaker 2: and we didn't They've been around for thousands and thousands
Speaker 2: of years. We didn't get a ton of like Asian
Speaker 2: history no education either, which is like there are history
Speaker 2: is only like eight hundred years old, five hundred whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, since the sixteen hundred and seventeen hundred Europe
Speaker 2: goes back a couple China, bro, I want to see
Speaker 2: what those artifacts are looking like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm doing some digging here on these something artifacts.
Speaker 3: Ancient tomb discovery sheds new light on shine origins of
Speaker 3: Chinese civilizations. Over three hundred and fifty artifacts on Earth
Speaker 3: from a five thousand year old tomb is in the
Speaker 3: global times.
Speaker 2: Five thousand years man, Okay, that's before the pharaohs. That's
Speaker 2: no discovered in that Wang for a while. Maybe I
Speaker 2: was way off on that. Yeah, that's wild though there
Speaker 2: were some Egyptian pharaohs happening around that time, five thousand
Speaker 2: years ago. Yeah, but China's been there forever, did you know?
Speaker 8: I think there's something crazy and you huha on this,
Speaker 8: But the Africa's first Well, what's you galley Pinjai Pinjai?
Speaker 2: What is it the one where we were all one
Speaker 2: continent and then it broke up? Pane pinjea pine? Is
Speaker 2: that real? Yeah? Play tectonics? So I have earthquakes Andrea's fault?
Speaker 2: So how many years does that take? One hundred millions? Millions? Yeah,
Speaker 2: millions millions? Yeah? No humans? Is it real? Yeah? Of course?
Speaker 2: Is that you can look look at fossils that are
Speaker 2: like well yeah, because that's why you have a lot
Speaker 2: of the same trees probably from Japan that you have
Speaker 2: in the Bay Area save Francisco, because it probably broke
Speaker 2: off plate tec. I love. I love that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff too. I like some Indiana Jones ship. That's why
Speaker 2: China would be sick.
Speaker 5: You talk about Sandre's fault too, Like southern California or
Speaker 5: western California is not on the same plate as eastern California.
Speaker 5: So like within thousands of years, millions of years, they'll
Speaker 5: be separated.
Speaker 2: That's probably a couple of hundred million years. I don't
Speaker 2: know the exact numbers, but well, we'll all be dead
Speaker 2: by the we'll all be dead. Well, that's another episode
Speaker 2: of games with things manology with.
Speaker 3: Names lates, techtonics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a six on the Richter scale.
Speaker 2: What a game that was happening. Howie Long, Howie freaking
Speaker 2: a long. How I just never want to disappoint him.
Speaker 3: Neither I was, and q's I don't think you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but were we tight enough? Was our operation tight enough?
Speaker 2: I am pretty intuitive on guest vibes and he was down.
Speaker 2: Should you know I should got him, smoothie. I was
Speaker 2: hoping you'd give him I know. I didn't even get
Speaker 2: to tell him that story, but I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: know if he wanted that. I didn't want if he
Speaker 2: wanted that story out or to do it physically. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I don't. Maybe he gave me a look where
Speaker 2: he breaked me with his eyes. I got a mid
Speaker 2: episode thankfully. He was just looking at my hat. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh fuck, Like what did I do? What
Speaker 2: did I do. A photographer came through like real quick.
Speaker 2: I saw him look for a second. Good just a photographer. Hey,
Speaker 2: what do you say? What did he tell Chris every
Speaker 2: every night before the game, keep your head on a
Speaker 2: fucking swivel.
Speaker 3: Don't hang around piles around you get.
Speaker 2: Hurt that way. It's true. Man, Thanks again to Howie.
Speaker 2: That was so fun, amazing legendary Raider and the Raiders.
Speaker 2: I mean without the Raiders, there's no NFL.
Speaker 5: A man, he's a Raider, but he also belongs to football,
Speaker 5: kind of like Randy Moss. Everyone could be a fan
Speaker 5: of how Long.
Speaker 2: Because he transcend, but that's because he's a Raider. Anywhere sketches,
Speaker 2: it's because he was a winning Raider.
Speaker 5: We were talking about like the Raiders. I was gonna
Speaker 5: time in, but I didn't like you're talking about like
Speaker 5: the Raiders for like a Southwestern team. I don't think
Speaker 5: the Raiders are tied to g geography. I think the
Speaker 5: Raiders are tied to like an identity, the like, like
Speaker 5: the hard nose whatever. It doesn't matter if they're in
Speaker 5: Oakland or if they're in Vegas or they're in Los Angeles.
Speaker 5: Being a Raider something that's not tied to where you are,
Speaker 5: it's how you are.
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