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Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, They're Jack

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Speaker 2: and Kyler, and we're on a mission to find the

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Speaker 2: greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we

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Speaker 2: are covering Super Bowl eighteen Washington Redskins versus the Los

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Speaker 2: arguably the most legendary Raider alive, Howie Long. Yes, we

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Speaker 2: get into his best Al Davis story. Howard do you

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Speaker 2: call me? How do you think it tough? I'm like,

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Speaker 2: this kind of game took my answer. What it's like

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Speaker 2: to raise two NFL sons credible and have another son

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Speaker 1: People don't realize how hard it is as a dad

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Speaker 1: to watch those games.

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Speaker 2: They're going against each other. Kyle punches Chris and the

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Speaker 2: ribs and fractures you bro and his incredible twenty eight

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Speaker 2: to three story. I feel like the worst dad in

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Speaker 2: the world. And then we wrap it up by bringing

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Speaker 2: in a new segment. What's this new segment, Jack, Oh,

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Speaker 2: A little something.

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Speaker 3: I might put you in my hotzea brother, my Pepper,

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Speaker 3: You with some questions, My Pepper, you with some questions.

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Speaker 2: So you got to stick around to the very end.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: January twenty second, nineteen eighty four, Tampa Stadium in Tampa, Florida.

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl eighteen.

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Speaker 4: Dog versus the Silver and Black for all the marbles,

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Speaker 4: and it was allors.

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Speaker 2: This is just one baby. I like it. I like it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names. On today's episode, we have

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Speaker 2: a very special guest. Folks. We're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl eighteen Raiders, those legendary Raiders versus those legendary

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Speaker 2: Redskins defending Super Bowl champion Redskins in this game with

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Speaker 2: the legend himself coworker, father figure of my network. I

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Speaker 2: feel Howie Long, welcome to the studio. I gat to

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Speaker 2: be here. I appreciate you coming.

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Speaker 1: You've got a great place here for people who are

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Speaker 1: watching and wondering what it's like around here. This place

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Speaker 1: is you're tucked away up in the end of a

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Speaker 1: cul de sac. It's like you're in witness protection. What

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Speaker 1: did you do? I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything,

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Speaker 1: But did you?

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Speaker 2: So? I remember? Actually, let's segue to this. One of

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Speaker 2: the first times I started working with Howie, he was

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Speaker 2: explaining how he takes a look at all entry ways.

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Speaker 2: You were explaining that you're like very survival when you

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Speaker 2: sit somewhere, like, did you look at all my exit

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Speaker 2: plans of this this culta sac area? Is this safe?

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Speaker 1: We're kind of you know, we're dug in here, so

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we have to fight our way out,

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Speaker 2: Well, got how he will be safe? Right now? Oh?

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Speaker 2: You always do?

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Speaker 1: You sit in the room and you know it's yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is that year I'm twenty three years old,

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Speaker 1: People don't realize what heavy handed is. No, not everybody's

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Speaker 2: Martin was a guy that I felt heavy hands on.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, I would I would say the

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00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: giant catch was the most improbable catch. I think your

434
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: catch was the most amazing catch I've seen. And seriously,

435
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean I was there. I'm looking at him like,

436
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, that just happened, and I'm looking for

437
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: the review to see if your hand's under it, and

438
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: and it was just the sequence of things that had

439
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: to happen, including Chris getting a holding call down down

440
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: on It was like first and then it.

441
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: Goes to first, and then they decided to throw it,

442
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: and then we got to throw it. What if you

443
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 2: run the ball three times, it would have been a

444
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 2: fieldbal position.

445
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: Your field goal game's over, You're winning the Trophy. You know,

446
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: thank you, but you know, certainly not from a game

447
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: management standpoint, situational football. And you know, I think you

448
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: know the head coach probably you know, it's one of

449
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: those things where it's like the Chicago game a couple.

450
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: Of weeks ago.

451
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's he's gone and yeah, and you don't

452
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: make that decision and uh, that.

453
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: Was completely the eb refluse. That's malpractice. Yeah, I mean this.

454
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: Regardless of what's going on. And you wonder what's the

455
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: coordinator saying to Williams in his headset and you know,

456
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: what's he telling him and.

457
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: He's checking a play. Yeah, just the clock's running down.

458
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 2: The fact that they have never it seems so foreign

459
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: to them that they haven't gone over this type of situation.

460
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of there's a lot of there

461
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of turnover there and you know, voices,

462
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: and it's a young ki. He's a rookie. Now he's

463
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: played a lot of snaps in college. But you know,

464
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: to start a drive at the one yard line and

465
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: to be in field goal range immediately, I forget the

466
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: exact twenty one or twenty two or whatever it was

467
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: in the sack and well, the first first play is

468
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: a penalty, I think hands to the face. Second play

469
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: is you know, you take a sack and you can't

470
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: take a sack and you know, and you can't go

471
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: through this in a pregame because you don't have the time.

472
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't change your play when you have

473
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: the like. That was the That was the thing with Caleb.

474
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: That was his fault of the whole thing. First off,

475
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: it's the coach's fault. Yeah, this is you gotta you

476
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: see that. No one knows what's going on. That's what

477
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: you're evaluating as a coach on the sideline. It's still players.

478
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: Let's let's do that. But then secondly, Caleb, you can't

479
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: change the play when there's only this minute. He changed

480
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 2: the play at the last second. You see, he tried

481
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: to audible.

482
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: So to get back to the the improbable, I mean

483
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: when I say improbable, there were so many things that

484
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: had to happen in that half and and everything, including

485
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: the two point conversion, you know, I mean.

486
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: It was amazing and we put him five for that game.

487
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: It was amazing.

488
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: And I and I remember, you know, Chris came on

489
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: the set and Diane was there, and you know, the

490
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: boys were there. Kyle had a tendon surgery and he

491
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: was limping around, and uh, you know, just it was

492
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: one of those kind of you know moments that you know,

493
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: was a polaroid in your head, and you know, and

494
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: and we go back to the hotel and I remember,

495
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm still in disbelief and Usher who had been yelling,

496
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, after halftime in our green room, you know,

497
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, falcons, falcons screaming and yelling, and in my head,

498
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm punching him in the face. But you know, I'm

499
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: sitting in the corner. I'm quiet. And he's a good guy.

500
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: I got nothing wrong with being a fan, and he

501
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: probably had no idea that you know, he didn't put

502
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: two and two together, but you know, not the place

503
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: to be yelling.

504
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: But here we are.

505
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm We go back to the hotel and I remember

506
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: it like it was yesterday, and the family's there, and

507
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's one in the morning and you can't

508
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: get room service. I tucked him in the sending us

509
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: some burgers down the lobby, and we're sitting around having burgers.

510
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: And I go back up to the room, finding it

511
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: like four in the morning and the game was being

512
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: replayed on NFL Network, and I had to watch it

513
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: like it, did this really happen? And I was almost

514
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: my poor wife's dead asleep, and I'm watching NFL Network

515
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: replay at the Super Bowl and I'm watching it again

516
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: to say this really happened. And you know, of course

517
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: Chris goes to Philadelphia the next year and does it again,

518
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: and you know it's a it's another barn Burner game

519
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: versus New England.

520
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: What would the average what was the average win? Our

521
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: biggest our biggest win total was eighteen when we went

522
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: by ten points against the Rams. Yeah, it's usually always

523
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: been four three three four, yep, you know, but that's

524
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: how we wanted to play the game. Yeah, that's how

525
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: Bill wanted. He wanted to control the game.

526
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: But you have to be really, really confident in your

527
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: ability to run situational football, to play that kind of

528
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: a game without a guest. Every possession, every first down,

529
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: every punt, every field goal, every kickoff is important. Yeah,

530
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: it's like you can't turn the ball over. You can't.

531
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: There's so many things that can't go wrong.

532
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: Without a doubt. I mean that that I did the

533
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: same thing like three years later and just watched that game. Like,

534
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: when I retired, I saw that game for the first

535
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: time TV copy. I don't think I've ever watched our

536
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: super Bowl front exactly.

537
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: You don't.

538
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: You don't watch him, Yeah, but it was on and

539
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: I was sitting there like, how the fuck did we

540
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: win this game? Like everything had to happen and it

541
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: was point zero zero, zero zero one chance of winning.

542
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: But for you this, you know, we're talking about super

543
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: Bowl eighteen right now, we're discussing super Bowl forty or

544
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: fifty one. Your first super Bowl was this. This is

545
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: your son's first super Bowl. Way better, Way better, your son.

546
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: It's so much you know, listen, you have a daughter, yeah,

547
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: and you know when when our kids had you know,

548
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: now Kyle has kids and Chris has kids. I think

549
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: there's more of an understanding. You think you know, but

550
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're willing to do for your kids. Yeah,

551
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, jump in front. I always used to say

552
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: to them when you know, they were younger, at the

553
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: kitchen table, I said, look look around the table. These

554
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: are the people who are going to jump in front

555
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: of a bus for you. You know, nobody else is.

556
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: You might think they are, but they're not. Yea and understandably,

557
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: and it's important to know and you know, to watch

558
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: your kids have any.

559
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: Success, whether it's high school, college.

560
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm watching my grandsons now play flag football,

561
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's different, it's more and it's more enjoyable

562
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: because I can, yeah, because I can just have fun. Yeah,

563
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: And I love those boys so much. And my perspective

564
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: at sixty four is so much different than it was

565
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: when I was twenty five through thirty five raising kids

566
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: and playing football, and then after that at Fox and

567
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, getting back to get the team stretch on

568
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: Monday to coach high school football. But it's way better.

569
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: The Super Bowl is way better. I don't. I think

570
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: more about those Super Bowls than than anything I ever did.

571
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: That.

572
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: Now, did you say anything special to Chris before the

573
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: game or did you guys have a moment, because you know,

574
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: my parents and my family went ever before a game.

575
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: They knew Friday after that I was zero, dark thirty,

576
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: I was gone, you know, like I had my routine.

577
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: Friday was our day. My dad would you know that

578
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: that was the thing. But for you and your family,

579
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: you played in this game. You know how the magnitude

580
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: of this game you know, the nerves, that anxiousness that

581
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: all the guys feel before this game, two weeks of media,

582
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: all this bullshit, the hoopla. Was there anything that you

583
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: just said to Chris that like before the game that

584
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: you remember, you know the things I always you know

585
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: kind of And I don't know if this specific thing

586
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: that you know I texted him or said, but I

587
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: would always you know, Kyle.

588
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: It was because if you played defense, you probably understand

589
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: offense a little bit more, you know. It wasn't until

590
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: year seven I didn't realize. One formation that bothered me

591
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: was DOT two tight ends balanced formation, one back in

592
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: the backfield, quarterback under center, and I and when you're

593
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: in a two gap scheme, the first step is everything.

594
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: You have to mirror that tackles first step.

595
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

596
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: And I never had a bead on where they were

597
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: going with the ball other than well, that tight end

598
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: is bigger than that tight end. If they're going to

599
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: run the ball, chance I was going to run the

600
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: ball over here or if if if they're not, it's

601
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: going to be a counter O T tight end, and

602
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the tight end and the tackle pulling.

603
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: What I would say was I'd look.

604
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: At the last three games, and I'd kind of go

605
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: through formations and things, and I'd say to Kyle, you know,

606
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: when he was in college playing at Oregon, because he

607
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, he played six games in college, gets drafted in.

608
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: The first round. Yeah, all pro his first three years.

609
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't happen exacually when you take a

610
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: year off and you're working in a surf shop.

611
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's, you know, a specimen.

612
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: He's a freak show. And you know people have that

613
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: like God comes down and puts his hand on your

614
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: shoulder and says, you're gifted.

615
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: What are you going to do with it?

616
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Whereas Chris Grinder grinder grinder, and you know, my thing was,

617
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, head on a swivel, don't stand around piles.

618
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: And there were certain formations and things that were I

619
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: felt were pertinent and tells. You know, I'd say, Kyle,

620
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: look if that that defensive end and the three men

621
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: front reduces down to a three technique and they walk

622
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: the safety up, the slot's coming, and he'd say, under

623
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: what's that?

624
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: Kyle didn't even know what under was. Gren Fire was

625
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: like they do you know what Nickel defense was?

626
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: Until you know what his thing was, and It made

627
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: sense because kylein played very little football in college, and

628
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: you know in Oregon they ran to play every seventeen seconds.

629
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: He said, look, Pop, they were on a play every

630
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: seventeen seconds. I'm just looking for somebody to hit. And

631
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: that's what he did, and it was in the direction

632
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: of where the play was going. And it makes that

633
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, we're looking at micro, not macro.

634
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: We're looking at you know, the here and now I'm

635
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: pretty much sure I'm gonna block this guy and just

636
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: go there because you run a play for seventeen seconds.

637
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Whereas Chris was you know, he knew and he looked

638
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: at things and he approached the game differently, whereas Kyle's like,

639
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: I just line up and you know, I'm gonna try

640
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: to whip the guy in front of me.

641
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean offensive line. That's that's kind of like

642
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: an offensive line mentality, though, I you know, it's foreigner.

643
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: They're different. They're different because you're a deep, you're a guy.

644
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: It's foreign to the hogs man. They Yeah, they have

645
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: their own they have their own little language. They sit

646
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: and they have their own area in the locker room.

647
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: They're always you know, the guys that just yeah, we'll

648
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: fucking go do this right now, let's lay you met him,

649
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: let's go get to the backer. But watching them play

650
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: was far more.

651
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: You know, for example, i'd be I'd be the studio

652
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: at Fox, and you know Kyle and Chris. You know,

653
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: there'll be games where they were playing simultaneously. Mike, Mike,

654
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: Michael Straham was kind enough to you know, we're doing

655
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: the pregame, we're in the pre game, we're doing or

656
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: we're in the postgame. Really we're at halftime. Let's say

657
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: we're at halftime in another game in another market, and

658
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: you know, Michael would put on Kyle's game and I'd

659
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: have Chris's game, or vice versas. And the only time

660
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: it was really challenging is when they were both taking

661
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: a snap at the same time. It's like, Okay, which

662
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: one needs me more? I think in my head, what's

663
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: the matchup? No, it all depends situational, situational ones, injured

664
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: ones not. You know, he could take care of it.

665
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's whatever.

666
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: Lane, he needs me a little more here, Yes, Kyle's

667
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: going against this guy.

668
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: Right And and that was the way it went. So

669
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: it was Sunday's are as. You know, It's like it's

670
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: kind of like digging it. I'd be less tired on

671
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: Sunday night digging a ditch than I am doing you know,

672
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: five am to five pm on TV.

673
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: It's mentally exhausted.

674
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: Go go, go go, because you're you know, you're thinking,

675
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: you're and the night before you never sleep good because

676
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: you're always going through in your head. It's kind of

677
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: like playing, but there's nobody's hitting you, without a doubt.

678
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: But it's the same kind of feeling. And you know,

679
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: that's the one thing you get, you know when I

680
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: say when when you're done with football, the one the

681
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: one benefit of being in a studio and doing this.

682
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: And I know you feel the same way. I'm sure

683
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: you know you and Woody and you know you just

684
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: it's a camaraderie. It's it's without the hitting.

685
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: You know what. I always say this, It's been so

686
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: great to get to work with you guys and Fox

687
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: because it gives you the taste of football. It gives

688
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: you a team to work with.

689
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: My friend, you have no idea of Fox is yeah,

690
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: Foxes and this is just me. I haven't been anywhere else,

691
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: but I know a lot of people and other places.

692
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: Fox is here and everybody else is here in terms

693
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: of talent, how you're treated, you know, the day to

694
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: day kind of function, the respects you know, and.

695
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: Even the people behind the camera, like everyone's it's it

696
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: seems it reminds me of a lot of how our

697
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: organization was. Like we always had relationships with the equipment staff,

698
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: the lunch ladies. Everyone had their job and it's all

699
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: for us to go out and perform our best on

700
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: Sunday for one hour to get the best content. And

701
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: that's what I like about it. It reminds me of

702
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: football because you work with the group and you're all

703
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: doing something to try to get an output top to bottom,

704
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: you know.

705
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: And I think it starts at the top, and it

706
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: started with David Hill and you know now it's Eric

707
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: Shanks and you know Brad and you know that whole group.

708
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: They set the tone. And I've been there thirty one years.

709
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah at the beginning, yeah, beginning, and when it was

710
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: a blank sheet of paper and an idea, you know,

711
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: and here we are making it up on the go,

712
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, trying to figure each other out,

713
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: you know. And I think when you're working with people

714
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: particularly in a in a studio setting on air, you know,

715
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: the biggest kind of reference I can make, as I'd say,

716
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: never lift yourself up at the expense of someone else.

717
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, respect the person next to you and know

718
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: where their comfort level is. I you know, I don't

719
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: know where your line is, but I would know where

720
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: your line is. I don't cross that line. You know,

721
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: I know where you're what's important to you, what what

722
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: would embarrass you or what would make you uncomfortable. And

723
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, Terry and I had to figure that out

724
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: early on, and we did and we couldn't be any

725
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: more less alike, you know, I mean, you know Boston Catholic,

726
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: you know Louisiana, you know Baptists, you know quarterback, defensive

727
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: line and Steeler Raider. You know, he's We're just so different,

728
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: but he's the brother I never had, and we're as

729
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: close as could be. You know, the corny jokes and

730
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: you know he's singing in Branson, Missouri.

731
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: Just book a twenty twenty show. Deal with the We

732
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: talk about that. It's hilarious, and you know, it's really

733
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: fun because at work when we go Sunday, you can

734
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: see what guy what everyone was in the locker room,

735
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: and you forget like that we are not part of

736
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 2: the same generations, and you feel like it's the locker room.

737
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: Like I can see how how he was in the

738
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: locker room. I can see how Michael was in the

739
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: locker room. You can see how Mike Vick was in

740
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: the locker room. You can see how you know how

741
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: everyone's in the locker room through their personality. And it's

742
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: fun because it makes you feel like you're in the

743
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 2: locker room.

744
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's and that's a thing that you know.

745
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: And I say, look, it's like I said to Kyle

746
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, Look, if you stay in

747
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: shape and you present younger than you are, and you

748
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: know your stuff and you work hard at this, you

749
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: can do it for a long time. If you're you know, comfortable.

750
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know we're on camera. I mean, I'm

751
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: at the point in life where you know, I'm so

752
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: comfortable it doesn't really bother me. I wish I could

753
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: be this comfortable thirty years ago, you know. And kids

754
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: do that and you don't realize the impact that having

755
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: a kid has on you, and you know the responsibility

756
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: that goes with it. But also what you'd be willing

757
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: to do to protect that kid. And having three sons

758
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: and watching the grand kids. Now it's you know, I'm blessed.

759
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: You know, I really am to be. It a great

760
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: place to work. I've been with two organizations for forty

761
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: four years. Think about that. I've been a two organizations

762
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: for forty four years.

763
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: That's it.

764
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: And you know I don't plan on being anywhere else.

765
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: And ride off into the sunset and head up to Montana.

766
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: Now, we were all talking before you came here, and

767
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: I had you by the way. I'll just let you

768
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: know in Prime with the Fox crew King of the Hill,

769
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: who's winning and everyone's in their prime? What does King

770
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: of the Hill mean? Last man standing? Last man standing

771
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: to death? You got to kill Michael and Mike that

772
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: that was the one that was scary because.

773
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: You got to kill Michael. You know, if I can

774
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: get you know, Mike Michaels. We always talk about this,

775
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: calling me a defensive ends like putting a ribbon on

776
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: a pig. You know, I'm I mean, the closer I

777
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: got to the ball, the better I was. If if

778
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: if it's a fight, what's the smallest ring you can

779
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: get in? Whatever the smallest ring is I want you

780
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: in that because if I can get you in a

781
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: phone booth, you know, I got a shot and Michael,

782
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: you know length and you know he's hees kind of

783
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, looks like Ali. He's got that kind of length.

784
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: And you know me, I'm I want I want inside.

785
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: I want to you know, hands around neck, you know

786
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: that kind of hands around, hands around. So I would say,

787
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, weight class. You know, big truck beats little truck.

788
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: If you're in shape, you know, you've got to be

789
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: in shape. You gotta be the little guy. Can dance

790
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: around for a while, you get kind of tired and

791
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: bang bang bang bang. I always watch what's Terry doing

792
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: this thing?

793
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: During this what.

794
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: Terry is though interest he taps up, you know. But

795
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: it's funny because I watch boxing reels a lot.

796
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: Uh and you know.

797
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: Hearns Hagler Geez's greatest round. If if you haven't seen it,

798
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: watch it and you know any of those fights in

799
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: those days.

800
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: Uh, we had Haggler come to us and we watched

801
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: that or was it hearns who's the Brockton guy? That's

802
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: that's Hagler. We had Haggler come and he lives in Italy, right,

803
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: he lassay, but he lived in Italy. Came back, he

804
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: talked to us and we watched that first round with them.

805
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: Best jaw in boxing, I mean talk about fighting Tommy

806
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: Hearns and Hagler through more impact punches in a short

807
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: period of time than I've ever seen in.

808
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: A boxing ring.

809
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: You see it in a you know, one oh five,

810
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: one ten, Yeah, but not in the middleweight you know,

811
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: from the middleweight up in the middleweight class. You know,

812
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: it was it was a great class. But I watched

813
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: those and I you know, it's it's like anything else.

814
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,479
Speaker 1: It's like I I like, I said, how you play

815
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: the lead Joe grow the counter the first ten twelve

816
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: times is inconsequential to me? It's eleventh, the fifteenth, sixteenth,

817
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: seventeenth time.

818
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: Do you blink? You know?

819
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: Are you are you still bringing it? How you play

820
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: at the end of game when they're running out the

821
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: clock and you're down fourteen? You know, I want to

822
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: That's when I want to see you on film.

823
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: When when she's hitting the fan, that's who you, the

824
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: real person comes out.

825
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: It's inconsequential. You're not going to win, and you know,

826
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: but what I'm doing. Is someone's looking at this film,

827
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, the next three opponents are looking at this film,

828
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: and you just want to you know, I don't want

829
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: to get hooked. I don't want to give ground. You know,

830
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: every blade of grasp, every inch of end of a play, push,

831
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: it's it's inconsequential, but it's it's something. It's like, you know,

832
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: I always watch this Kingdom of Heaven. It's one of

833
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: my favorite movies.

834
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what Heaven.

835
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: It's all about Jerusalem and Salahideen is is the Syrian

836
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: you know there there he's the general. Yeah, you know, famous,

837
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: famous leader, and this this kind of English group or

838
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: from Britain or you know whatever it was at that

839
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: point as Jerusalem shifted hands multiple times, you know it

840
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: was Syrian and it was you know, Britain, you know,

841
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of England, you know whatever. And there's this

842
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: one improbable leader of and he holds the army off there,

843
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: outnumbered a gazillion to one. And you know there's one

844
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: area in the wall that's the weak spot and he

845
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: knows that and he's tried to reinforce it although their

846
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: numbers are down. But when you have to funnel when

847
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: you're down three thousand to one hundred, you funnel it

848
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: into a small group and you're really you're fighting. Then

849
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: you're fighting an abbreviated portion. And they made their stand there, Yeah,

850
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: and it got to the point where it was a

851
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: standstill in there, you know the dead that the count

852
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: of the dead outside and inside of the of Jerusalem

853
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: was astronomical. And they they kind of make a parley.

854
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: They you know, they say, I'll ride out meet you.

855
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: You write on me and me and they agree to

856
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: terms of if you give up Jerusalem, I will give

857
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: you and all of your women and children safe passage

858
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: to the water. And and he said, well, how do

859
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: I know you do? I said, I am Saladin. That's

860
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: how you know, because I'm not the previous people. When

861
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: I give you my word, I give you my word.

862
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: As he's walking away, the the the leader from England says,

863
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: or you know, great Britain, whatever it is, says, what

864
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: is what does what's Jerusalem worth? He turns and he

865
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: says nothing, And he starts to walk away, pauses, turns

866
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: around and says, everything. That's that last blade of grass,

867
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: that's that last shove.

868
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: At the end of a play.

869
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if you're giving up three inches four inches,

870
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: it's something, is that not?

871
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: That's the most raider answer. That's just like raider commitment

872
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: to excellence. Well, it's ear late, you know what it is.

873
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: It's and Michael would say the same thing, you know,

874
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: because if you talk to Michael, you'll hear the same

875
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: things probably that you hear from me. We were brought

876
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: up the same way. If I got hooked, if I

877
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: gave ground, you know, if we lost, and you know,

878
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: we didn't look good. I didn't look good, you know.

879
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: I I couldn't live with it. I didn't go to

880
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: a seven eleven, the jersey thing at the end of games, handshaking,

881
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: the communicating on Instagram. I didn't talk to John Elway

882
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: until I retired, Yeah, because I wasn't my job to

883
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: be friends with John Elway.

884
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: That's how it wasn't they and to Tom's very vocal

885
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: with that nowadays on how he was with his career.

886
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: That's just that's kind of a newer thing that's been happening.

887
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's fine, you know, It's it's like anything else.

888
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: Times change and times change.

889
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not judging them. It's just things were different. Yeah,

890
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: how was working with John Madden being a raider. He's

891
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: a raider. He was great.

892
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: John's he was brilliant. When you think about John, I

893
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: think John when he finished with the Raiders, you know,

894
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: he's got he probably interviewed for with Networks with a

895
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: stained shirt from a hot dog, you know, and how

896
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: you kind.

897
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 2: Of authentically him.

898
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: How do you see that translating to broadcasting that's been

899
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: done in a really tight window of performance. You know,

900
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: there's a stereotypical broadcaster. And that's what I thought when

901
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: I came from from my you know, rehearsal or my audition,

902
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: and I thought you had to be you know what

903
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: I saw on TV because I never watched pregame shows.

904
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: And David Hill had a vision of something totally different,

905
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: and it started with John Madden, and it went to

906
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Terry and Jimmy and me and you know, and my

907
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: first audition was just too straight forward and not conversational.

908
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: And I got pulled to the side and David Hill said,

909
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: where's the guy seeing interviews? And I said, well, you

910
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: didn't tell me you wanted that. And Terry pulled me

911
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: aside and said, look, just lighten up, you know, and

912
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: that's what he wanted was our show, which had never

913
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: been done before.

914
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: And the show was an hour.

915
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: Long, which at that time had never been done, and

916
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: people were saying, what are you going to do in

917
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: an hour? An hour flies by like that.

918
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: It's only forty five really with the commercial and you

919
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: know you can do We're doing five hours or six

920
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: hours for the pregame and the super Bowl. This will

921
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: be my first one. It's it's it's a lot. It's

922
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: an all day sucker. Oh yeah, it really is.

923
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: And you know, by the time you get to the

924
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: post game, you know you're you're near mentally.

925
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: It's probably gonna be the same feeling as after you

926
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: play it. Yeah, just because of all the hype that

927
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: we you know, it's a big thing for our network,

928
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: for Fox. And when you host the super Bowl.

929
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: There's one hundred at some point in the pregame and

930
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: the halftime, one hundred twenty, one hundred and thirty million

931
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: people are watching.

932
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 2: It depend on Mayah.

933
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: And you know, if you equate the light on top

934
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: of the camera as one hundred and twenty million people,

935
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: you might start to kind of think about it, but

936
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: you know the key is just not doing that.

937
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's hard to do. What's your hack? Green light? Yeah?

938
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: Nice, you know the podcast nice shout out Chris Hey gotta.

939
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: Do it for having got on near sighted even with

940
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: the glass. He caught that quick though.

941
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, long knows what up.

942
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: I didn't size you up. You weren't a threat.

943
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 3: You could throw me at somebody, a projectile or something. No,

944
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: all right, I'm here for the team though.

945
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: What was something that people don't know about Fox?

946
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: How great you're treated as as someone that works there,

947
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: and you talked about it. You know, it's the interaction

948
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: with Listen, we've been there thirty one years. I look

949
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: out on the set and I see the same makeup person,

950
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: I see the same wardrobe person. I see four or

951
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: five of the same cameramen. Uh, stage managers. You know there.

952
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: Bill Richards was you know, you know listen. Eric Shanks

953
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: started out as a BA and I think manscript and

954
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: worked his way up. Bill Richards worked his way up.

955
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: Jacob Owman worked his way up. Jacob Bowman used to

956
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: go get me dip, you know, when he was like

957
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: coming out of USC.

958
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: No I do. I said to him, he's a little

959
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: he's a he's a little guy.

960
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: He he was a little guy and you know, just

961
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: out of you can imagine he looks so young, out

962
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: of school, and I said, were you a crack dealer?

963
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: He just looked at me like, I what what year

964
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: is that? Uh? Probably first year, first seven year.

965
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: So I think the thing about Fox that's special is

966
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: it's the people in front of the camera treat the

967
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: people behind the camera with respect, and I think that's

968
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: that's all you can ask for, you know, And and

969
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: the retention of people behind the camera, both from a

970
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: camera standpoint, floor managers, audio people, you know, you just

971
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: you develop a special relationship and they're part of the team.

972
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: And we greatly appreciate that, we truly do. And I

973
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: think that's I think if you don't have that, you

974
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: don't have anything.

975
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: No. I mean, you're only strong as I hit.

976
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: I always told my kids, said, you hit people for

977
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: a living. You're not going across the country saving small children.

978
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: Get over yourself, you know, I mean really at the

979
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: end of the day, I mean, how you treat to me.

980
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: And it's a really important point is what tells me

981
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: a lot about who you are is how you treat

982
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: the bellman, how you treat the waiter, you know, how

983
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: you treat the gal that's invisible, who's changing the trash

984
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: bags in the studio, you know how you doing?

985
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt, just a hello. You know, you

986
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: never know what somebody's going through. Now, now you had

987
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: kind of you. You're raised by your uncle. I was

988
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: raised by a lot of pain.

989
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's classic Irish Catholic kind of you know, and

990
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: raised by first mom and dad and you know then mom,

991
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, and dad split up, and uh, you know,

992
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: my dad, you know, was an interesting guy. He's six seven,

993
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: two fifty five and you know, a mount of a man.

994
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: Worked at Hoods Milk and worked in the projects, worked

995
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: at D Street projects, and you know, in South Boston

996
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: and worked in you know, a number of spots, and

997
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: that was kind of the family business. You either worked

998
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: at Hoods Milk, which was across underneath the L train

999
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 1: bottom of the street across Rutherford Avenue was Hoods Milk,

1000
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: and my grandmother worked there for you know, twenty five

1001
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: thirty years. Uncle George worked there, My dad worked there,

1002
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: and then he worked in the projects, and my uncle

1003
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: Mike got everybody a job at the projects, and my

1004
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: uncle Billy, what's the job at the project it's you're

1005
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: you're a maintenance person in the projects. You know, you're

1006
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: just going around fixing doors and fixing light bulbs and

1007
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, any issues they have, your laborer. Yeah, you know,

1008
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: it's it's hard work and you know you're in a

1009
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, tough, tough spot. So Dad ends up who

1010
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: was an orphan from birth to eighteen years old, never

1011
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: played sports, so you know you always kind of wonder

1012
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: in your head, you know, what would he have been,

1013
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, big athletic, you know, raw boned, you know,

1014
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: big guy, strong, country strong, you know, and ends up

1015
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: falling on hard times. He's homeless on main street, living

1016
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: in a car. You know, this is Charlestown's a mile square,

1017
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: so you know that impact. She was a kid. You know,

1018
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: you don't really think about it at the time. You're

1019
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: in survival mode. You know, my grandmother. I'm living with

1020
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: my uncle Mike and my aunt Edie in a row

1021
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: home in Charlestown. And the bussing riots start, de segregation starts,

1022
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: and you missed school for sixty seventy days. It doesn't

1023
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: look like it's getting any better. My uncle Billy was

1024
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: the first to make it out of the neighborhood and

1025
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: move out to Milford up by Foxborough. Yeah, and my

1026
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: grandmother and uncle Billy was the youngest of her four sons,

1027
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: asked him to take me in. And he's got four

1028
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: kids of his own, and he's working in the projects,

1029
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: driving a Maverick with a hole the size of a

1030
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: basketball and the passenger floor, you know, down the mass

1031
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: Pike in four ninety five, and you know, a lot

1032
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: as salt, snow and salt. You can imagine, you know

1033
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. And he's barely making ends meet.

1034
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: He's painting houses on the weekend. And he takes me

1035
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: in and you know, dinner was over at six point

1036
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: thirty and the kitchen clothed at that point because we

1037
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: were it was tight. Yeah, things were tight. And I

1038
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: remember leaving there at six five, two twenty to go

1039
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: to Villanova in summer school. And I got a meal

1040
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: card and I'm seventeen years old, and I would I

1041
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: opened camp at two sixty five. You know, it was

1042
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: like I was to eat. I was a big person

1043
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: waiting to happen. But you know, for him to take

1044
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: me in like that, uh, you know, with the struggles

1045
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: that you know come with having four kids and you know,

1046
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: driving into Boston every morning, driving back painting house on

1047
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: the weekend, doing all that is you know, my grandmother

1048
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: kind of set the foundational, you know.

1049
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: Part of who you are as a person, you.

1050
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: Know, be kind. We took in my wife and I

1051
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: talk about it. We took in more players. You know,

1052
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like a rotating door of Chester

1053
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: mcglock and you know, Sean Jones, Bill Pakel, you know,

1054
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, I went back to the reunion for the

1055
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: first time last year. I had never been to a reunion. Yeah,

1056
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: and I'm just not big on crowds. And you know

1057
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: it's also we work on Sunday usually Sunday, Yes, yes, yeah,

1058
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: And this was this was a preseason game and decide.

1059
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: You know, Marcus kept texting me and calling me, and

1060
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: I love Marcus and he's the best, best teammate, you know,

1061
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: the most complete football player I played with. And uh,

1062
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, for you, I'll come down.

1063
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: So I come down there and you see all these

1064
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: guys and it's you know, my wife and I were saying,

1065
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: how amazing was how many guys stayed at our house

1066
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: that we took inet yeah, and you know you have

1067
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: to kind of pay it back to a certain extent,

1068
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: I think, and you know I'm not I'm not saying

1069
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: it's you don't do it for any other reason than

1070
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: you want to, but I think in some way it's

1071
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: a karma thing or something comes back to you.

1072
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: You know. I only asked because you since I of

1073
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: the day I met you. You you you shout family.

1074
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: You're like your family man. You know you love your kids, yep.

1075
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: But you didn't grow up, you know, in a crazy

1076
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: particularly family type atmosphere. Right to have that, you know,

1077
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: and it is it just amazes me because you know,

1078
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 2: it's similar to how my dad grew up. He didn't

1079
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: have a dad, grew up in the trailer park, right,

1080
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: and my dad is like a super family dad because

1081
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he wanted he wanted to be better,

1082
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: and he wanted what he didn't have. Yeah.

1083
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: And you know it's funny because my grandmother had this

1084
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: little hole in the wall shack up in Babousic Lake.

1085
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: New Hampshire.

1086
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was the lake was maybe a mile

1087
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: and a half wide, two miles long or a mile

1088
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: and a half long.

1089
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: It was a.

1090
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: Pond and you know in some ways, my home in

1091
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: Montana on Flathead Lake, which is bigger than Lake Tahoe,

1092
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: is me replicating the happiest moments. Those are the happiest

1093
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: moments I had. Yeah, when I think of Babouosic Lake

1094
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: in the summertime and you know, the whole thing, Uh,

1095
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: trying to replicate that from my kids was important. And

1096
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: they grew up there and you know, love it. And

1097
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: Chris has a place up there now.

1098
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: Now, how did you balance because I mean you did movies.

1099
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: I watched him Broken Arrow. You did movies for a while,

1100
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: You've done on TV for thirty five years. Yeah, you're

1101
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: also you know, you have two kids that were playing

1102
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: in the league at the time. How do you balance

1103
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: all that being the family guy that you are, because

1104
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: you still you put your family first, but you still

1105
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: do a lot of stuff. It's remarkable.

1106
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: The name of our corporation is Long Odyssey, and I

1107
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: was always I was always fascinated as a kid who

1108
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: was one of the few books that I read as

1109
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: a young kid, The Odyssey Homer's Journey Home. And for me,

1110
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: it's always everything is about getting home. And you know,

1111
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm working, but I'm the next thing on my mind

1112
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: as soon as the day's over is how do I

1113
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: get home quickly? The movie thing was fun to do.

1114
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: I was originally on Broken Arrow with John Travolta and

1115
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: it was fun. It was great experience. I was supposed

1116
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: to be there two three weeks and John Wu kept

1117
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: coming in my trailer and say, we make you bigger?

1118
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: Are you? John Wayne?

1119
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 4: You know?

1120
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay. So I call home and there's

1121
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: three kids and they're building ramps, jumping their bikes into

1122
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: the pool, and you know, they kind of get the

1123
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: idea that at a certain point meets you in them

1124
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: out on the phone. They look for Vancouver is on

1125
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: the map and they say, well, he probably can't get

1126
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: home for you know, you.

1127
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: Know, a day at least.

1128
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean, so the threats kind of start to and

1129
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: and Diane said to me, I did, Uh?

1130
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: I did?

1131
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: Then I did Firestorm, which you know, Fox had a

1132
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: preemption right because I signed the deal with Fox when

1133
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: I did Broken Arrow. And it was great. John Tirolta

1134
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: was great and it was fun to do, and it

1135
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: was a successful movie. And it's playing somewhere every night

1136
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: on satellite, you know, and I get residual checks sneaker money,

1137
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: I call it. And it's not a lot, but you know,

1138
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: you just sneaker money. And you know, so get your money.

1139
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: Baby.

1140
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: So when I when I I get an offer from I,

1141
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: I another and another studio gives me an offer to

1142
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: do a post apocalyptic movie, thirty million dollar budget, whatever

1143
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: it is. And Fox preempts me to do Firestorm a

1144
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: sixteen million dollar budget, and it's gonna shoot during football season.

1145
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: So now I'm I'm literally running to the airport Sunday night,

1146
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: getting on a plane to go to Vancouver, driving up

1147
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: by Whistler, and I'm working six thirty in the morning

1148
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: till you know, sunset, and going back on Friday to

1149
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: get to production meetings on Saturday. At that point, we

1150
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: had production meetings on Saturday. Scott Akerson, you son of

1151
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: a bitch. I'll never forgive you for that. But at

1152
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: one point after that, you know, and I did three

1153
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: thousand miles of Graceland with Kevin Coostner, and you know,

1154
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: it was it was fun, and that was more of

1155
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 1: a cameo, and you know, they got they were able

1156
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: to do My Pardon two three weeks. But Diane said

1157
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: to me, she said, why are you doing this. Is

1158
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: it money?

1159
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: No?

1160
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: Is it ego? I said, you know, not really ego.

1161
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't really associate with me. It was kind of

1162
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: like the natural progression of things, and things just kind

1163
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: of presented themselves and you want to check a box

1164
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: and say, you know, I did that, and I did

1165
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: that and it was fun. But here I am raising

1166
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: three kids, and I'll never regret coaching little league baseball

1167
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: for eight years. I'll never regret coaching high school football

1168
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: for eight years. I'll never regret that. And those were

1169
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 1: some of the best experiences that I've had and they

1170
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: had and it was my, I think my responsibility to

1171
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: kind of this is how you play football. This is

1172
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: how you protect yourself, This is how you treat your opponent.

1173
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: This is the way you play the game.

1174
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: How is how is manly? All all purpose? Mister man?

1175
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: Howie long On? Like? How how did you did you

1176
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: with like actors and stuff like? Were they all kind

1177
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: of intimidated by you? I?

1178
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: You know, I really don't know. I think I was

1179
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: John was great, John, John Travolter was great.

1180
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: Holater.

1181
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: I had never he I didn't have any interet really

1182
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: any with him. John was I was with John all

1183
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: the time, because you know, whether I'm in the trailer

1184
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,959
Speaker 1: and then we go do you know whatever shot John

1185
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: was in, I was generally in.

1186
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: You know.

1187
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: I remember we were driving a hummer and I'm driving

1188
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: the hummer and you know, We're supposed to slam on

1189
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: the brakes and I and you know, I'm listen. I'm

1190
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: a I'm easy to deal with, and you know, I'm

1191
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: certainly beyond football at that point, and I'm a team guy.

1192
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm used to that, you know. I mean, it's

1193
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: I have a role and John the guy. And John's

1194
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: like the quarterback. He's like Tom Tom Brady. And when

1195
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: you're driving Tom Brady in the hummer and you tell

1196
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: him you're gonna they want me to slam on the

1197
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: brakes hard to Tom, and I don't know that Tom

1198
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: really or John really got it. And I think he

1199
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: came close to hitting the dashboard with his head when

1200
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: we slammed again. We'll get out of the car and

1201
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: we're going into the thing where the nuke is, you know,

1202
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. And and he flew us. He

1203
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: had his own plane and he was the pilot, and

1204
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: his payback was going from you know, from the runway

1205
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: to ten thousand feet as quickly as you possibly could

1206
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere in Montana. We're shooting

1207
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: in this dead center Lewistown, Montana. The yoga in, they've

1208
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: got a little thing in the center. The lobby says,

1209
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: you are a dead center in the state of Montana.

1210
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: And they had a great milkshake. And that's all I

1211
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: remember about, you know, the yo go in and the

1212
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: center of monte in Lewistown. But John's payback was you're

1213
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: you're you're holding seat of your pants.

1214
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: You know.

1215
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: That was his payback for the slamming on the brakes

1216
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: and him kind of catching his head on the dash.

1217
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: Are you not a little spooked? I would be scared

1218
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 2: with John Travolta flying a plane. I don't I don't

1219
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 2: know if I want, you know what I mean, Like,

1220
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: I think you can get scared with.

1221
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: I think at that point, you know, I'm still kind

1222
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: of young. I'm still probably in my thirties, yeah, late thirties,

1223
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: and uh I think, uh there's a feeling of invincibility,

1224
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, to a certain extent.

1225
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

1226
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: I remember when when I started playing in the league,

1227
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: I used to drink a shout at Tequila to get

1228
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: on the plane because we didn't fly a lot at Villanova. Yeah,

1229
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, we we bust to most of our games.

1230
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: You know, we bust to you mass. I mean, so

1231
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: getting on a plane and a plane that big saying

1232
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 1: how does that thing fly? You know, So flights weren't

1233
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: a big part of my life until I got to

1234
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: the to the Raiders.

1235
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be right back after this quick break. Let's

1236
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: go back to around January twenty second, nineteen eighty four,

1237
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: when we like to go over what was going around

1238
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 2: pop culture around the world. Yeah, yeah, number one movie

1239
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: Terms of endearment. Don't don't remember that, do you guys?

1240
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: Did you guys see that? Vaguely? Vaguely? Yeah, the number

1241
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 2: one song Owner of a Lonely Heart by Yes, I

1242
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: think I remember that a little bit. That was It's

1243
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: not on my playlist. Yeah, it's was that Wham or something?

1244
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't know wod George Apple's iconic nineteen eighty four

1245
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 2: commercial airs during the Super Bowls. Do you remember those

1246
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: those Apple commercials? Yes? I do. It was very common shattering. Yeah, yeah,

1247
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 2: he was playing during the Super Bowl. Can't remember the

1248
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: commercial really. Scott directed Scarface sudden impact, the right stuff

1249
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: on all those quoted movies. Scarface say hello to my

1250
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: little friend. People like you need people like me to said.

1251
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: That's a bad guy. That's a bad guy. Now, what

1252
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: was life like for how we long? In nineteen eighty four?

1253
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: You're in your third league, third year in the league,

1254
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: second year in the league, you're newly married. What's what's

1255
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: you're living in an apartment?

1256
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm married in eighty two and a fight broke out

1257
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: at our our our wedding, and it was and you know,

1258
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: the thought was that it was going to be my

1259
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: family because you know, we're from Boston and you know

1260
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: she's she's from Jersey time. You know her dad's names

1261
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: Francesco at a Easio and your brother's name is Virgilio

1262
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: out of Easio. And I thought process was that you know,

1263
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: my kind of you know guys working at the project,

1264
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: Uncle Billy, Uncle John who's a cop in the North End,

1265
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: and you know Uncle George, and you know, the whole

1266
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: thing are are going to be the ones that are

1267
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: going to be maybe a problem. And as it turns out,

1268
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: apparently you know, there was a non blood family member

1269
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: got a better seat than somebody in the family, and

1270
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: there was an argument about that up by the head table.

1271
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: My cousin Michael, who I shared a room with when

1272
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: I was living with Uncle Mike and ann Edie. We

1273
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: we lived together. He was my best man and fight

1274
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: breaks out and they knock over the head table. And

1275
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: this is like my ace in the hole forever for

1276
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: my wife because I can, I can pop that out

1277
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: and say, your family, you know, after her mom passed,

1278
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: frank came down to live with us and he, you know,

1279
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: we got him a house on the property and you know,

1280
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: we've got sixty five acres in Virginia by UVA and

1281
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: he lived with us and I said, what why are

1282
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: you up there? I mean, is it a card game?

1283
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: We can get your card game down here. There's a

1284
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: game or a practice every night of some kind literally

1285
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: high school football, whatever, so you'll always have something to do.

1286
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: And he ended up being with us for ten years

1287
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: and it was great, and the grandsons called him Frankie,

1288
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: and ironically enough, Kyle ended up naming his daughter after Francesco.

1289
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: He named his daughter Francesca and they call her Frankie.

1290
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: That's cute. I love that name for girls.

1291
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's as you can imagine Kyle's daughter.

1292
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: Is adorable, probably adorable and a little bit of a

1293
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 2: freak show.

1294
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you could see it earlier, you

1295
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: know you I when I said to Diana, I said,

1296
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: you know, he's different. And he was like two three

1297
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: years old. She said, you're crazy. I said, no, I'm not.

1298
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: He's different.

1299
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 2: See how he knows. He knows when he sees a specimen.

1300
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: He could see it at.

1301
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,719
Speaker 1: Over a fence and you go, it's like the tiger

1302
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: at the zoo. You see the tiger at the zoo

1303
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: and it's laying there and you go, wow, that's a

1304
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: beautiful animal, you know, color and big and looks strong,

1305
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that tiger gets up and

1306
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: jumps over ten foot bentce. You go, oh, now, I.

1307
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 2: Guess yeah, that's why he's a predator. Yeah, one of

1308
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: those lead ones. Yeah. Now have you ever used that card?

1309
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: What card with the wife? Oh? God, yah, I told

1310
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,799
Speaker 2: that story. Are you kidding me? We've been married forty

1311
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: golly eighty two to forty two years? You get what

1312
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 2: you get? One one card? Usee a year? One not

1313
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: at least at the very least. The Sports World nineteen

1314
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 2: eighty three eighty four Super Bowl champions with the La Raiders,

1315
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: Dan Marino was the NFL MVP. How good was Dan Marino?

1316
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: How good would he he be?

1317
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: In this best drower of the football I ever saw,

1318
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: and the quickest when I tell you the quick and

1319
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: you probably watched some.

1320
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 2: Of his stuff.

1321
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: The quickest release you could ever have in today's game.

1322
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't it'd be it'd be astronomical. Yeah, but he

1323
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: was a He was a guy that didn't want pre

1324
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: stab motion. He didn't want to change the snap kind

1325
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: of a lot. He had the best center I've ever seen,

1326
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: Dwight Stevenson. And you know that offense was hammon.

1327
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: What kind of do was he when you sacked him?

1328
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: He was You rarely got to sack him because you

1329
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: could literally run by your guy and ball out, Ball's gone.

1330
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: So he was really Uh to me, he was the

1331
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: best thrower of the football I ever saw.

1332
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 2: You've seen a lot of football is being thrown. That's

1333
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 2: saying some Celtics peak the Lakers in seven games? Of course? Baby?

1334
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 2: That that was You ever meet Larry No, My uncle

1335
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: John was who is his agent? Uh? I forget who

1336
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: his agent was.

1337
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: My uncle John was kind of an off duty cop

1338
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: bodyguard kind of guy for him. Uh so he met,

1339
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, he interfaced with Larry and Larry. I've got

1340
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: a I've got a jersey from from Larry. Uh that

1341
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: hangs up him right next to my Bobby or goal

1342
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: versus Saint Louis in the Stanley Cup to win the game.

1343
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: He's airborne, he's horizontal to the grant.

1344
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: So I they have that statue.

1345
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: I've got my autographed Bobby or who I wanted to be,

1346
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: you know growing up?

1347
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: Wow, you see, did you play hockey? I did.

1348
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: We played a lot of We did everything in the street.

1349
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: I never played organized sports until I went up to

1350
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: live with my uncle Billy, and high school coach sees

1351
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: me walking through the hallway and says, hey, who are you?

1352
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: And I might think thirteen, I'm fourteen years old?

1353
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 2: How tall are you at thirteen six three? You know,

1354
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: seventeen years old? Sixty three?

1355
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: And you know I didn't even have to put the

1356
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: equipment on. You know, I was terrible and ended up

1357
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: getting two scholarships, one to Boston College and one to Villanova.

1358
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 1: And my grandmother wanted me to get out of the neighborhood.

1359
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: And you know it turned out to be, uh, you know,

1360
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: prophetic on her part. And met my wife there and

1361
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 1: she was a classics major and I wasn't.

1362
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 2: Fucking Odova. Yeah, man, you had to get out of Charlestown.

1363
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: You had to get out of the town. John Elway's

1364
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 2: rookie season, I remember that now, he almost became a Raider, right,

1365
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 2: Brozel blocked it.

1366
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: Right, that's the I don't know if he blocked it.

1367
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: I think what ended up killing the deal was they

1368
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: wanted me included in it. It was I think a

1369
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: three team deal. And you know Chicago, the Colts and

1370
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: the Raiders and you know, and I and I when

1371
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: I heard about this, It's funny because I was, I

1372
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: was in Canton. I just landed. I was in Canton

1373
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: and I and they did this kind of it's a

1374
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: great docu kind of ESPN thirty for thirty or whatever.

1375
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: And Marvin Demoff ended up representing you know, Chris and

1376
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:52,440
Speaker 1: Kyle for a period of time. Uh, you know, legendary

1377
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: agent was was part of it because he was Elway's guy,

1378
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: and he was Marino's guy, and you know, uh, and

1379
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: I called Ron Wolfe one of the great football minds.

1380
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: And you know, I.

1381
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: Said, Ron, you son of a bitch, you were going

1382
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: to trade me to Chicago. And he said, Howie, that

1383
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: was never happening. He said, you know that was you know,

1384
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: it was kind of like they sent a proposal with

1385
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: I think a corner first round pick, this, this and this,

1386
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: and their comeback was Howie Long uh and and a

1387
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: draft pick and uh. I think that's where now I

1388
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 1: would have traded myself for John away from from the Raiders.

1389
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: But you know, al uh Al was, you know, a

1390
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: different guy. You know, I think he he was so

1391
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: smart about personnel and had a vision of regardless of

1392
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: where you go, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Mark Van Egan,

1393
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: where Mark play like Colegate or something.

1394
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 2: Cole Gate, there's another player came out of Colgate. Where

1395
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,879
Speaker 2: do you play Ark? He was, uh, he was Coldgate.

1396
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: So you know, here I am at Villanova and nobody

1397
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: even knows me, and I get in a I'm in

1398
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 1: a kind of a little bit of a thing, let's

1399
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,799
Speaker 1: call it, in the middle of the season where someone

1400
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: got beat up and robbed, and you know, they come

1401
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: to my room of course and asked the company, you know,

1402
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: can you go back? One kid transferred from Florida State

1403
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: and he got robbed of his bowl watch from Florida State.

1404
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: And we go down there to get all the stuff back,

1405
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: and you know, not thinking about how it's going to end.

1406
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: What's the endgame here?

1407
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: Not probably good and I'm not really thinking about it

1408
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: and two three cops pull up and you know, I

1409
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: get detained, and ironically enough, they kind of use that

1410
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: as a straw that broke the camel's back to drop

1411
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: the program at Villanova. Wow after I left, So they

1412
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: dropped the program for a period of time. And yeah,

1413
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: so I but I think being in that.

1414
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: Situation maybe helped me became a raider. This guy fights,

1415
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 2: get him in, get him in.

1416
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, you're in that locker room at Villanova, and

1417
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: you're in the dorm of Villanova. There's a priest on

1418
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: every floor. And you go to the Oka Raider locker room.

1419
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: The guys are smoking sale and lights and they're grown men.

1420
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: And here I am. I'm I'm in pit drill day one.

1421
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: Pit drills like you know, one on ones between two

1422
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: bags of running back the offensive lineman and you and

1423
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: and the first guy up is Art Shell. I'm twenty one,

1424
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: and he's got a full beard, he's three hundred and

1425
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't know they didn't weigh Art, uh, And you know,

1426
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know whether to grab my cheekbone, which I

1427
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: thought was fractured, or my ribs because I couldn't breathe

1428
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: because he'd he'd punch you in the ribs as as

1429
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: he came off the ball. But it was kind of

1430
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: Jeane and Art were, you know, in many ways, were

1431
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: very influential to be, you know when I first got there,

1432
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: because when you're going against Jean and Art all the time,

1433
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: that you know it's gonna make you better, it raises

1434
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: the love of you know, we're not playing Delaware. No,

1435
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: it's not Delaware, not the Blue Hen. I became such

1436
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: a better receiver when we got to Lee Bakeeb.

1437
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tilly, he's my boy too, because I used to

1438
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 2: have to run routes with him. They wanted to see

1439
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: if he's in shape after we had to do one

1440
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 2: on ones after practice. Yeah, so Bill would make me

1441
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 2: run one on ones against him, and then we got

1442
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: revis and we used to go like competitive periods one

1443
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 2: on ones all the time. And my game got so

1444
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: much better because I was playing against those guys.

1445
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: Well we played, we we were. We were a physical team.

1446
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: Inside run was inside run. You know, past rush was

1447
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: past rush, goal line was goal line. Team period was

1448
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: team period, and it was and it's hard to kind

1449
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: of duplicate that because you know, and and I've gone

1450
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: to New England as a broadcaster and Burge would come

1451
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: in and say to me. I'd be out in the

1452
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, the outside rooms, outside of everything, and he'd say,

1453
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, Bill, once, you know, if you want to

1454
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: come over to practice, Bill, once you come the price.

1455
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: You go to the practice and I'm standing on the

1456
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: sideline and there's nobody in the building. It's just me

1457
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: and Bill with that that whistle, you know, doing that thing.

1458
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm kind of like, I'm this reminded

1459
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: me of the Raiders because nobody. There was no friend

1460
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 1: of a friend, no sponsor, nobody. It was all about

1461
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: football and that's it. And I you know, I was

1462
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: only in one place, and you know, you go to

1463
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: other places, you know, over the thirty one years as

1464
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 1: a broadcaster, and you know, you you kind of get

1465
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: a glimpse into how somebody else does it. But you know,

1466
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: generationally it's different. But you know, it's also from an

1467
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: ownership standpoint, it was just different. You know, we we

1468
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: were an island onto ourselves. It was a wall around

1469
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: the practice facility and nobody got in.

1470
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: Bill used to whenever we played the Raiders, he'd give

1471
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 2: a he'd always give like a history lesson on the

1472
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 2: team and the foundation and you know how the owner

1473
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: got the team and Al Davis, being a coach, sue

1474
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: the league give us a whole presentation on it. He

1475
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: loved Al Davis and a lot of people. The whole

1476
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 2: do your job thing was Al Davis that said it

1477
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 2: to Parcells, like after something Parcells was complaining or something

1478
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 2: about what was going on, and I guess Al Davis

1479
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: just said, just do your job. And that's where it

1480
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 2: was pretty simple to say it to, you know, the team.

1481
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 2: And then Bill took it up and so the do

1482
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:39,759
Speaker 2: your job came from Al Davis.

1483
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: Just win, just win baby, do your job. You could

1484
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: put those on T shirts, you know, uh, just win babies,

1485
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: win baby. Yeah, he said, oh fuck, Howie Howard, you

1486
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: call me Howard? Oh fuck you think it tough. I'm

1487
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: like this guy, think my hands. He was really I

1488
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: call him mister Davis. I mean, part of it's my upbringing.

1489
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: You know.

1490
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean I never had that. I only got called

1491
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,839
Speaker 1: up there maybe once or twice.

1492
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 2: You know.

1493
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 1: One was a contract and we did that over the phone,

1494
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: but the other was a fight. I got in and

1495
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: it got bad, and you know he just told me

1496
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: not to beat him body also.

1497
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 2: Now did he ran shit? He ran everything? Because I

1498
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 2: remember when I was a quarter where when I was

1499
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 2: coming out, Charlie Ferry was training me and he was

1500
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 2: with the Raiders at the time. Remember Charlie Frye a

1501
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: the quarterback, I know the name. He was there for

1502
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee, but he was close with Al

1503
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 2: at the time. It was before Al died, and he

1504
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: the one thing everyone you know knows about the Raiders.

1505
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 2: They want speed and size, no question. And Charlie asked him,

1506
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 2: like you you should pick this guy up in the

1507
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 2: seventh round to Al. And he goes, he's not fast

1508
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 2: enough baby, or so he said something like that, he's

1509
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 2: not fast enough for out.

1510
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: Of the gate at size speed. Same thing with you know,

1511
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 1: you could say Bill Parcells with quarterbacks, you know it's

1512
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: got to play three years, got to be six four

1513
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 1: two twenty. You know, it has to fit the prototype.

1514
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: And you know that was in many ways what Sean

1515
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 1: was about, Yeah, Sean, Sean was about that before he

1516
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: went to Denver, coming from New Orleans. H And that's

1517
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: why I honestly think the Russell thing never really worked because.

1518
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't the make was Yeah, but Drew was one.

1519
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: It was a system. Two was you know, supply and demand. Uh,

1520
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: and don't forget he was going to go to Miami.

1521
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: And then the shoulder thing, and and and where Sean

1522
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,799
Speaker 1: changed things was at that point guards and centers weren't

1523
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: as important, and one ended up being the case with

1524
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 1: you know, three five step drops, get the ball out gun,

1525
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, spread all that. The fastest route to the

1526
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 1: core back is up the middle, whether it's you know,

1527
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: mug linebackers in in in the center guard gap, or

1528
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: you know you're bringing pressure in the interior it's you know,

1529
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:16,480
Speaker 1: slant and looper with the backer. Seawn made those positions

1530
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: a point of emphasis, even over tackle because.

1531
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: Of Drew Brees pressure in the middle.

1532
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, from from a personality standpoint,

1533
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 1: from a size standpoint, you know, and Sean didn't sign

1534
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, to sign.

1535
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 2: Him up in Denver. Russ.

1536
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 1: Russ wasn't ever going to fit with Seawan, and I

1537
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: thought I was unfortunate because you know, and I'm a

1538
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: big Sean fan. I didn't like the whole thing on

1539
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: the sideline. It was uncomfortable for me, a little uncomfortable,

1540
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know, do that, you know, let's do

1541
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: that in the building.

1542
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: You know.

1543
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, you know, I don't know what the

1544
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: situation was. And I haven't talked to Sean about it,

1545
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: and at some point on I will. But big Sean fan,

1546
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: he's watching games with him. Gave me another perspective because

1547
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: my whole perspective's been I've got the guy who you know,

1548
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: you want to talk about, a guy who can build it,

1549
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:23,799
Speaker 1: coach it, you know, knows how to you know, hire coaches, players, contracts, trades, everything.

1550
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, for he's aside from the three four years

1551
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: he was in Miami, you know we were together.

1552
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: Wow, Jackie, let's jump into the game real quick.

1553
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 3: Let's go over these these Washington eighty three defending Super

1554
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 3: Bowl champions on a run. The Leady coming into this

1555
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, they'd won thirty at thirty four games, MVP

1556
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 3: Joe the Heisman led the league in scoring, incredible defense

1557
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,440
Speaker 3: led the League in Takeaways.

1558
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:52,959
Speaker 2: Joe Gibbs Coach.

1559
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 3: Of the Year. I mean they were just firing on

1560
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 3: all cylinders.

1561
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 2: They were hitting everything they had, the coach, they had,

1562
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 2: the team. How do you sum up this nineteen eighty

1563
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 2: three Redskins team.

1564
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: Well, the they were. There wasn't really a weak spot

1565
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: you could look at, you know, and everything revolved around physicality.

1566
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 1: The perception was I think at that time the NFC

1567
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: is a little more physical than the AFC, that kind

1568
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: of thing. But we were, you know, unless Greg town'sen

1569
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: up there in the picture. Greg was a great player,

1570
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 1: and he was a flip end, you know, he was

1571
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: a guy who'd flipped to the weak side. And they

1572
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: were a physical team that forced you to match their

1573
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: physicality and few teams could do that. And you know,

1574
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: you think about their wide receiving core, you know, Garrett

1575
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: Monk or Monk famers Hall of Famer, as good as

1576
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: Guy Diadyer Warren and Walker. You know, those the tight

1577
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: ends were. You know, they were guys who were committed.

1578
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 1: They go two three tight ends, they load up and

1579
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: and the first thing you're thinking about, particularly in the

1580
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: three man front, is we've got to stop the run.

1581
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: We've got to stop the counter. I've got to beat

1582
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: the Pollers on the back side, So I cheat maybe

1583
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: three inches outside on the guard to make that block

1584
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: for Bostic all the all the harder, and Stark is

1585
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 1: going to try to get a hand inside while the

1586
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: center is blocking back in the guard tackle poll And

1587
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: you know I was they couldn't. They had I'd say

1588
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: they couldn't. They struggled to run that away from me.

1589
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: So they had to run it to me. And fourth

1590
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: down I'll never forget. You know, we there was a

1591
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: fourth and big fourth and one in the game, and

1592
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: you know they flipped me over to Jojakobe because look,

1593
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna Jojacobe six whatever, six eight three twenty. He's

1594
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 1: just a big man.

1595
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 3: Eight.

1596
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 2: These are big men. He's a big man. And the

1597
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 2: talk about the game getting so much bigger, that's a

1598
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 2: big man.

1599
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 1: Well, Joe was an exceptionally big guy. And we knew

1600
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: where the ball was going. They knew where the ball

1601
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: was going, and I'm inside eye on Joe on Joe,

1602
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: and you know, everyone around me was like, you know,

1603
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, this is it. This is kind of a

1604
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: huge moment, and you know, we stuff it on fourth

1605
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: down or on third and third and short or fourth

1606
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: and dry. I'm not sure exactly what it was, but

1607
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 1: it ended up being one of the bigger players in

1608
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: the game. Derek Jensen blocks a punt. That's a big thing,

1609
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 1: and I run to start the game, and ironically enough

1610
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: backed up second. I think it was second long. It

1611
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: was the play that ended up beating us. Earlier in

1612
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: the year, it was Joe Washington on a screen. So

1613
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: the other side, though, Charlie Sumner, who's an old bear

1614
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 1: or a legged old bear. You know, there were a

1615
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: lot of bears on our staff, guys that played with

1616
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: Doug Atkins, really really tough guys, and Charlie was a

1617
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: great coordinator, and uh, we were simple. We didn't we

1618
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: We ran maybe two blitzes a game because our corners

1619
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: didn't have to even get in the huddle because they

1620
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 1: were in cover one or you know. And our guy

1621
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: from Mike Haynes Haines and Lester Hayes, and they were

1622
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: two very different. Lester was a converted linebacker playing corner

1623
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: from Texas A and m I think, and Mike Haynes

1624
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: was poetry and you know, just mirrored what it was

1625
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: kind of like reevis it was kind of like that

1626
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

1627
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 2: It was like, well, was he a smart did he

1628
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 2: study a bunch? Because usually what I always saw off

1629
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 2: with the best corners that I played with, they could

1630
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: cheat because they knew situationally what concepts you would run that, Yeah,

1631
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 2: they would run the route for you because they were

1632
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: so dialed into formation, you know, Like that's what I

1633
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 2: saw with like the best. I don't know, but there's

1634
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 2: some guys I don't know that just you just say

1635
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 2: him Lester.

1636
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: In my mind, who should be in the Hall of Fame.

1637
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: Was a weekend in Vegas. You know, it was he

1638
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: was up and on you and it was all or

1639
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm hit me on a sixteen?

1640
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Mike was.

1641
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 1: It was like he was just looking in a mirror

1642
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: and just cover the shit out of him and could

1643
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: do it all day long. And that was a big

1644
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 1: key for us in both in the game earlier in

1645
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: the year and and and this game. And in this

1646
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: game in particular, was I hit Riggins one time on

1647
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 1: a slant and I don't know if it was this

1648
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 1: game or the early game in the year, and golly,

1649
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: the entire the sky just went whoosh. He was just

1650
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: a load, big load, big fal He was Derrick Henry

1651
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: for that time, and a load. He broke that big

1652
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: run versus Miami and the I think it was in

1653
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl of forty plus yard fourth down or

1654
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: a third down and short. We think it was a

1655
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: fourth down run. Uh and and broke a huge run.

1656
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 1: So for a guy that big to be able to

1657
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: turn the Jets on going down the field, he was

1658
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: a load jack.

1659
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 5: Let's get into the Raiders team and we move on

1660
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 5: to the Raiders. I'd love to hear why the Hogs

1661
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 5: are so tough to play against.

1662
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Their physicality, their commitment to They ran four plays, and

1663
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: they ran them and and and as I mentioned before,

1664
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: they challenged you to not just play it ten times,

1665
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: you had to play it twenty times, twenty five times.

1666
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: And you know, invariably everyone wants to rush the quarterback.

1667
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: And can you be committed enough to say, we're gonna

1668
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, let's do it. I don't care if

1669
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: we die here, but we're gonna do it.

1670
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 2: Because they had so many counters, they every play had

1671
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 2: a play to counter it. So if they played it

1672
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 2: a certain way, all right, they probably had someone watching,

1673
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 2: all right, let's run this play. It's the old wishbone,

1674
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 2: these old, these old offenses where they just hit you

1675
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 2: like this way, this way, this way. Then they come

1676
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 2: with here. Then they got the boot here, and then

1677
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 2: they got the you know, it's it's old school football.

1678
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this roster and I go Jim Plunkett,

1679
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: guy who goes to New England, number one pick, Heisman

1680
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 1: Trophy winner Stanford, gets malled. I think they might have

1681
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: been the Boston Patriots at that point. Yeah, gets malled

1682
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: and just gets churned out there. You know, an organization

1683
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: that mismanaged and didn't put the people around him and

1684
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: got beat up. And you know, one of the great

1685
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: deep ball throwers of the time and goes to San Francisco,

1686
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:56,759
Speaker 1: same thing, bad experience, gets maulled. Doesn't fit al Davis.

1687
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,719
Speaker 1: As I mentioned again, it's you know, it's it's guys

1688
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: that Lyle Alzado who had been in Denver and Cleveland

1689
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: and got to the Super Bowl in Denver and got

1690
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 1: blown out. And you know is a guy that is

1691
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:15,719
Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty four years old, who you know would

1692
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: give his right arm to win a Super Bowl. You know,

1693
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had guys that come to come to

1694
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,759
Speaker 1: New England like that. Chris was one of those guys.

1695
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they come to New England to win, and

1696
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: he came there to win. You know, Cliff Branch was,

1697
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: if not the fastest guy on the planet, one of

1698
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: the top three four fastest guys on the planet.

1699
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 2: Was so fun watching him and Darryl Green play in

1700
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 2: this fucking matchup because Darryl Green was like the fastest

1701
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 2: guy in the NFL as well. Yeah, like that was

1702
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 2: a fun matchup.

1703
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 1: And Cliff was thirty. I think I don't know what

1704
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: he was at the super Bowl. He might have been

1705
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: thirty three.

1706
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: Man young.

1707
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 6: I think as he's thirty five at sixty he could

1708
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 6: run a four to fourth we I mean seriously, I

1709
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 6: lived with a guy named Cedric Hartman who was a

1710
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 6: great pass rusher from San Francisco on they called it,

1711
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 6: I forget what they called that, Jimmy Page, you know.

1712
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 1: Cleveland Elam. You know, these guys were really good, and

1713
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: Cedric and I lived together my rookie year, and some

1714
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: people kind of questioned the wisdom of that, but you know,

1715
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: Cedric really was a had a great impact on my

1716
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: early part of my career and Cliff would sleep on

1717
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: our sofa. You know, it was a different time.

1718
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 2: I mean not really. I mean we I shared a

1719
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 2: house with five guys my first three years in my

1720
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 2: career because you didn't know if you were going to

1721
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 2: make the team every year.

1722
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm making my check was one thousand and

1723
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: seven dollars.

1724
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 2: Now we were making decent money. League minimum was like sixty.

1725
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 2: But I had to used Coop Deville, powder, gray.

1726
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: Spoke wheels, v Laura interior and a truly an eight

1727
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 1: cassette deck where the cassettes were, you know, that.

1728
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 2: Big a track.

1729
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you know Cedric had a red el

1730
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: Dorado and convertible with white interior.

1731
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,520
Speaker 2: And we were we were rolling in Oakland.

1732
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: Law, best two gab noseguard you could ever play with,

1733
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: great townshend. I think Greg is, you know, is to

1734
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: me a Hall of Famer Lila al Zato, you know,

1735
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean listen, Uh, he can change the attitude of

1736
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 1: a room really quickly. How he was such a violent

1737
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, the the needle went into the red and

1738
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: he was unpredictable from that standpoint, you know, you base

1739
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,759
Speaker 1: the rest of your day on Hey, good morning, Lyle,

1740
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, and the rest of the day was kind

1741
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 1: of based on that.

1742
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 3: One of the best nicknames I feel like in NFL

1743
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 3: history Three Mile Asle was pretty good.

1744
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: Three Mile Ale because it was like three Mile Island

1745
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: was a nuclear plant that blew up, and you know,

1746
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 1: you just never knew when he was gonna blow.

1747
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: So was he the team asshole? The team asshole?

1748
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: That was kind of quiet. I'm trying to think, I'm

1749
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: looking down the Kenny King was, you know, a great

1750
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 1: back from Oklahoma, uh situational guy, Frank Hawkins, really good

1751
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 1: full back. Cleo Montgomery, tough, tough, tough. He he dropped

1752
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the guy on the plane one time on a guy

1753
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: was sitting he didn't he didn't get up and he

1754
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 1: and he was one of the quietest guys you could

1755
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: ever be around. And this guy just set got in

1756
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 1: his seat when he went to the bathroom and you

1757
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: seat your seat on the plane. It's once again, it's

1758
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: that it's that last blade of grass. It's the push

1759
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: at the end of the play. And he asked him

1760
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 1: really quietly, very nice, a couple of times and then

1761
01:35:55,520 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: just boom and that that boy's I close shut on

1762
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: that flight. But that's we had a lot of flights

1763
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 1: like that.

1764
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 2: That's a real deal. You can't.

1765
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 1: You can't sit in someone's playing Henry Lawrence Killer Lawrence

1766
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: Shelby Jordan. Another cast off, Charlie Hannah, you know, John

1767
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: Hannah's brother, another kind of castAR. Bruce Davis, huge man,

1768
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 1: you know. Probably I'm not sure if he Mickey Marvin

1769
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys of all time. Out of

1770
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 1: ten I think he went to Tennessee. He was as

1771
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: he was as country and southern as you could get.

1772
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 1: Don Mostbar, great center out of USC six seven center,

1773
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: which is really Steve Silvester, attack of all trades, you know,

1774
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: kind of a guy. Smart, smart, smart, notre dame guy.

1775
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Jeff Barnes, great special teams, situational linebacker Ted Hendrix, the

1776
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 1: smartest player ever played with. Could walk in the room

1777
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 1: still snuckered from the night before, and you put the

1778
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 1: other teams plays up, and he'd call the plays. He'd

1779
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 1: say to me in a game, I line up next

1780
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 1: to Ted and he'd say, here they come.

1781
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 2: How he thirty two build joker? Oh just by formation situation.

1782
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 2: He's just smart, Savannah.

1783
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: And I'm saying to myself, I go in these meetings

1784
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: on Monday as a young player, and I'd say, what

1785
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: does he know that? Why does he know it? And

1786
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: I don't know it? And I kind of modeled my

1787
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: preparation after him. I wanted to know everything I could

1788
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: possibly know. Todd Christensen, you know, not a guy go

1789
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 1: to dinner with God, rest his soul, but you know,

1790
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: really great player, great player. He was a great tight end,

1791
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: not a big blocker, but you know, a kind of

1792
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 1: a hybrid guy who ran great routes and had great hands,

1793
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 1: could get separation at the end of the play, which

1794
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: was really big touchdown. But as I said, Marcus Allen,

1795
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: what about Ray Guy? Ray Guy was great. He'd have

1796
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 1: a dip in his mouth, a cigarette in his hand,

1797
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: and a beer in the other hand, and you know,

1798
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: he was our He could play backup quarterback, he'd do

1799
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: scout team quarterback occasionally. He was a really great athlete.

1800
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 1: The only game I found that he didn't want to

1801
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: play was when the Bears, the eighty five Bears, we

1802
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 1: played them up there, and it was kind of a

1803
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 1: it was a carnage game, you know, it was just

1804
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: a physical game, and we were physical and we probably

1805
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: were the best matchup for them physically. But you know

1806
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 1: when you think about talent in their front coupled with

1807
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 1: a scheme that no one knew how to block. Yeah,

1808
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 1: the forty six and Buddy Ryan and you know the

1809
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: great players they had, Hampton and Dent and you know,

1810
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole group it was. And they went

1811
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: through our two starting quarterbacks, and someone said, you know,

1812
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 1: Ray was supposed to go in, but Marcus ended up

1813
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 1: was going to be our you know. And and and

1814
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 1: I think our guy, our our backup quarterback, Dave hum

1815
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: who's since passed away. Uh, I think he somehow Mark

1816
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 1: Wilson came back in. He got knocked out, Jim got

1817
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 1: knocked out. It was one of those deals where you know,

1818
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: they were just knocking quarterbacks out, and you know, we

1819
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: we ended up having to kind of get through that

1820
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: game physically.

1821
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 2: Was Al Davis always was He always around? Was he

1822
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 2: in the building every day, on the field every day.

1823
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 2: He had a cologne that you could smell him before

1824
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 2: you could see him when we were on the far

1825
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 2: end of the field. And I knew when he was

1826
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 2: out there because you could what kind of colone. It

1827
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 2: was his own personal cologne. It was.

1828
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 1: It was the Al Davis colone. I don't know what

1829
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: it was, but I've never strong.

1830
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, did it smell masculine he walked out of

1831
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 2: the building.

1832
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 1: I mean it smelled like it's Pavlov's dog. I mean

1833
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 1: not just for me, but for the coaches and everyone involved.

1834
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 1: You know, they knew and they were all puckered up

1835
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,639
Speaker 1: when you know, Al came out and.

1836
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 2: He knew football. He was coach.

1837
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: He coached the Raiders to the single greatest turnaround early

1838
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: on in the organization. The organization was formed the same

1839
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:18,759
Speaker 1: year I was born, nineteen sixty.

1840
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he.

1841
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 1: Ended up being the coach early on there and turned

1842
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 1: the team around and ended up becoming the owner and

1843
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, one of the great historic owners of without

1844
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 1: a doubt.

1845
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard stories like Al Davis calling in

1846
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 2: the sideline saying, hey, let's throw a deep ball.

1847
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But if I came out

1848
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 1: of the game. I never came out of the game. Yeah,

1849
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't rotate in those days, and I

1850
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 1: in particular didn't rotate. If I came out for one play.

1851
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: There was a red phone by the gatorade thing, and

1852
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,680
Speaker 1: that was Al's phone. Yeah, that phone rang. What the

1853
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: fuck is he doing out of the game? You know, well,

1854
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 1: we're shooting him up. We needed a play.

1855
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 2: Well, what's the wildest like Al Davis funny Like he

1856
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 2: seems like he just has all these sayings. What was

1857
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 2: like one of his one like a time where you're like, man,

1858
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 2: he's that's Al Davis right there.

1859
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: You know he wasn't He didn't say a lot. And

1860
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 1: you know there were I think we were in we

1861
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: were in constant you know, there was a constant war

1862
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 1: between the league and Yeah and the Raiders and al

1863
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 1: and you know the we we were a team that

1864
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,839
Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles but practiced in Oakland.

1865
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 2: So every game was a road game. Think about that.

1866
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1867
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: Every game was a road game. I'm living in the

1868
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:47,440
Speaker 1: Oakland Airport Hilton with Lyle Alzado in a in a

1869
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 1: single room with two queen beds. I'm living with him

1870
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 1: and Marcus was across the hall with trying to think

1871
01:41:56,280 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: of the linebacker's name. Golly, I forget it now. But

1872
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 1: I'd get a roll away some nights because Lyle would

1873
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 1: shut the TV and the lights off at nine ten

1874
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 1: o'clock after he had chocolate cake and a glass of milk.

1875
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like, hey, are you watching that? You know,

1876
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm twenty two years old, he's a

1877
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: grown man. And I'd go over and sleep in a

1878
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 1: cot and Marcus's room And so every week was a

1879
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: road game. And my wife, who was, you know, kind

1880
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 1: of making the transition to California. She was going to

1881
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 1: go to law school, and she kind of had to

1882
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: delay her entry into USC law. She was going to

1883
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 1: go to northern California, but then you know, we're going

1884
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: to move down to La so there's no sense in

1885
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: doing that.

1886
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 2: So she had to.

1887
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 1: Take a year off. So that was a challenge. And and

1888
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: Marcus and I caught a lot of air col flights.

1889
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: It was it's a now defunct airline.

1890
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 2: You know.

1891
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:59,639
Speaker 1: We'd catch the last flight out and you know, on

1892
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: on myday morning and try to get up there for

1893
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 1: the meeting and all that. And somehow we did, did.

1894
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 2: You guys same day travel or a day before?

1895
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 1: We traveled to games on Saturday Saturday, but if you know,

1896
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:13,440
Speaker 1: we'd play on Saturday, but we'd stay down there, Yeah,

1897
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,679
Speaker 1: and I'd stay down there with you know, Diane, because

1898
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: she started school. Yeah, and we end up going back

1899
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 1: Monday morning.

1900
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jackie, let's jump into the game in the

1901
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 2: lead up, with a little lead up here to this game.

1902
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 3: This was a rematch. We talked about it a little

1903
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 3: bit earlier. Correction the score thirty seven thirty five back

1904
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 3: at RFK Stadium. The Skins got him in that one.

1905
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,959
Speaker 3: How he had six five SATs jesus seven total tackles.

1906
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 2: Both feels good when you have a good game statistically

1907
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 2: and you lose, doesn't He'd like, it's like it we're

1908
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 2: not worth it didn't happen. I hated that.

1909
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 3: These were the top teams in each NFC and AFC,

1910
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 3: and Washington beat the Rams fifty one to seven, rolled them,

1911
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 3: beat the Niners twenty four to twenty one, beat Terry

1912
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 3: in the Steelers thirty eight ten the division round, and

1913
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 3: then got some revenge on Seattle in the NFC Championship.

1914
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,560
Speaker 1: Seattle had beaten US twice. Playing a kind of it.

1915
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: I think we were just we were a funny team.

1916
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 1: We were kind of we could get bored.

1917
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 2: And like the Ravens. Yeah, you know the Ravens. I

1918
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 2: feel like the Ravens get bored with it. It's unexplainable.

1919
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 1: And Chuck Knox had this whole you know, we're gonna

1920
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 1: run it and it's not a it's not an at

1921
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 1: you you don't feel like, you know what it is

1922
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:36,560
Speaker 1: like Hagler versus I'm trying to figure Sugar Ray Leonard. Yeah,

1923
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 1: where wait a second, I've been through twelve rounds and

1924
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I've been hit.

1925
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:41,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1926
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 1: You know, they had a running style. It was like

1927
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 1: a zone kind of style that negated our physicality because

1928
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 1: you know, you just had to kind of get away,

1929
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 1: get in the way and float sideways versus b vertical.

1930
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 1: And uh, we were one hundred plus thousand people at

1931
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: the coliseum that game. Wow, the Seattle game, and they've

1932
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 1: beaten us twice during the season, and we mauled them.

1933
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: We just mauled them. And I knew then, you know,

1934
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 1: And the week of the game, we go down there,

1935
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 1: Matt Millan gets a fight and practice. I just there

1936
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: was an edge to the group by the time we

1937
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 1: got there. And you know, because we had played the

1938
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,719
Speaker 1: team earlier in the year, like Seattle, we had played

1939
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 1: Washington earlier in the year, and you know, it was

1940
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 1: that was that.

1941
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 2: Did you guys go down? When did you guys go

1942
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 2: down to the super Bowl. How big was the super

1943
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 2: Bowl in nineteen eighty three at this point, was it

1944
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:45,520
Speaker 2: still fucking like massive? To put it in perspective.

1945
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Lyle and I, Lyle and I every game we ever

1946
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 1: played together. Right after team meal, which was eight am,

1947
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 1: you go to team meal, you know, before the meal,

1948
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 1: you go to chapel and you know, you do all

1949
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,800
Speaker 1: that and uh, you they go through special teams and

1950
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,640
Speaker 1: you know R one or two, you know, you the

1951
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 1: personnel kind of thing and uh and then Lyle and

1952
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 1: I would get in the cabin. We go to the

1953
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:17,719
Speaker 1: stadium every game. No bus, we never won the bus.

1954
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 1: We like to get there. I like to get there early. Yeah,

1955
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 1: I like to get there early. I get my I

1956
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 1: get my shorts on, I get my you know thing on,

1957
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 1: and I'd I'd go out and I'd run some forties

1958
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 1: just to kind of get loose and stretch and come

1959
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 1: back in and I'd go over my my formation sheets.

1960
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 1: Lyle would get fully dressed except for the pads, lie

1961
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 1: down on the floor and go to sleep. And it

1962
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:47,719
Speaker 1: was the it really it said a lot about how

1963
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:50,599
Speaker 1: different we were. And he'd say to me, Hey, what's

1964
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 1: that one formation that we can't figure out, I said, Dot,

1965
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, like he didn't know formations, he didn't know

1966
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: he just played. Yeah, and that was a different between

1967
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: the two of us. But we we took a cab

1968
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: every game and the Super Bowl is no different. So

1969
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:14,440
Speaker 1: we go through pregame meal and you think about nowadays,

1970
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, and particularly after nine to eleven, that's that's

1971
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 1: when it all really really changed. Helicopters and you know,

1972
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: concrete pillars a block around the stadium. You can't get

1973
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 1: anywhere near the stadium. So we get in a cab.

1974
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 1: We're driving to the stadium and I think the guy

1975
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 1: spoke broken English who was in the cab driving us,

1976
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:42,719
Speaker 1: and uh, we get stuck in traffic, uh, just short

1977
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:46,639
Speaker 1: of a mile from the stadium, and we're not we're

1978
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 1: not getting there, and Lyle's trying to get the guy

1979
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 1: to go up on the curb and that needles and

1980
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,600
Speaker 1: red you know, and I'm like, you know, let's so

1981
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,679
Speaker 1: we finally we get out of the cab and we're

1982
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 1: walking through the haill Gators three quarters of a mile

1983
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:06,680
Speaker 1: through the stadium, through the parking lot with Lyle Alzado

1984
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: in a froth. So you know, that tells you how

1985
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:16,679
Speaker 1: different it is now versus Did everyone know that you guys? Yeah,

1986
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean Lyle, you guess you're huge. Wile at one

1987
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: point sparred Muhammad Ali. I mean you know, I mean,

1988
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: and if you're a Washington fan, you know why I am.

1989
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: And you know who he is. And you know if

1990
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 1: you're a Raider fan, you know why I am.

1991
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 2: He is.

1992
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 1: So it's it's one of the two in the stadium

1993
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:38,799
Speaker 1: parking lot. And to see his face as the clock

1994
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 1: was ticking down, he's here's this card carrying bad man.

1995
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 1: You know you got to kill him kind of guy,

1996
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: and tears are just running down his face. I mean,

1997
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:57,599
Speaker 1: the journey he had going from Denver to Cleveland over

1998
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 1: thirteen years. I think it was twelve years, thirteen years

1999
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 1: before he got to us, and UH for him to finally,

2000
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: you know, make it. And I remember Marcus, ironically enough,

2001
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:17,840
Speaker 1: on the uh the counter ironically enough, the big run

2002
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 1: was off a blown counterplay. It was a counter sixty

2003
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: seven and Mark it got stuffed at the point of attack.

2004
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Marcus Reset comes back and he's blowing everyone away, and

2005
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 1: you see this bullet come from behind him. If you

2006
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 1: look at the film, it's Cliff Branch running running close

2007
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,559
Speaker 1: to Bim He you know, the gap between it was

2008
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 1: like it was like the kid from the Seahawks last

2009
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 1: week who picked.

2010
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 2: The ball off one ninety two yards, the big boy. Yeah.

2011
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 1: You could see the wide receivers all kind of they're

2012
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 1: gearing it down, but.

2013
01:49:57,479 --> 01:50:04,640
Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a ah, a group of escorts.

2014
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what Cliff was on Marcus's run. Now

2015
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: he ends up winning the m v P.

2016
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 2: Lyle boxed, Uh he did. Ah, what was supposed to

2017
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:21,080
Speaker 2: be a charity. It was kind of a not a

2018
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 2: real exhibition exhibition, but lot to Lyle, it was a

2019
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 2: little more than that. Did he train? Oh, I'm sure

2020
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 2: he did. How did you How did he look? Oh?

2021
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:35,559
Speaker 1: Do this was before me so I didn't really I've

2022
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:39,760
Speaker 1: seen footage of it. But knowing Lyle, you know, he

2023
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 1: wanted to he wanted to land something.

2024
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 3: It was at Milehett Stadium is.

2025
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 2: At stadiumle a mile. Yeah. Now you you said when

2026
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 2: you guys were coming over there was a fight. You

2027
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 2: knew the team was ready. Yeah, you guys start off

2028
01:50:57,320 --> 01:51:01,600
Speaker 2: with the block punt touchdown? Yeah, is that when you

2029
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 2: kind of was that right there? When you kind of

2030
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:05,840
Speaker 2: knew it was gonna be one of those days, or no,

2031
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 2: I didn't.

2032
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:10,440
Speaker 1: I I I. I kind of took it as.

2033
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 2: Fine.

2034
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 1: But I compartmentalized things and my job was my job,

2035
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:22,080
Speaker 1: and I'm doing my job. And you know they weren't

2036
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:25,280
Speaker 1: going to you know, five sacks wasn't going to happen.

2037
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 1: You know they're there, They made their adjustments and ran

2038
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 1: the plays they wanted to run, and you know, you're

2039
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:36,679
Speaker 1: you take care of that. Got some pressures, but you

2040
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:38,560
Speaker 1: you don't. You're not going to put up big numbers

2041
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 1: versus this team where they don't want you to. And

2042
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 1: they say, you stuck up on us earlier in the year.

2043
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 1: You know, now we're going to take care of it.

2044
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 2: No surprise now. Yeah.

2045
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 1: So it's Marcus the one hundred and ninety one yards

2046
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 1: two tds Cliff Branch, like I said, Jim Plunkett, one

2047
01:51:56,040 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: of the great deep ball throwers. Just a beauty, full,

2048
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 1: tight spiral, great great deep ball thrower. And Cliff was

2049
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,719
Speaker 1: the recipient of that on that day too.

2050
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 2: So you're a compartmentalizer, you guys. You guys go into

2051
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:14,559
Speaker 2: halftime twenty one to three, there was the big play,

2052
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 2: So you already had a block punt for a touchdown.

2053
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 2: Then they tried to do that screen thing. Squire, Jack Squire,

2054
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:23,839
Speaker 2: We substitute Matt Millen for a Nick Squier.

2055
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 1: O ye, and Jack Squier's got one job ghost whatever

2056
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:30,440
Speaker 1: you want to call it, Joe Washington.

2057
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 2: And you guys pick it off and it's we ran

2058
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 2: a jet ripped blue slash, yeah, one of two maybe.

2059
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 1: Blitz as we ran icelant Ted goes inside. We bring

2060
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 1: this off strong safety off the corner. Joe Thaisman's pressured,

2061
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:47,600
Speaker 1: he's drifting back and has to throw the ball on

2062
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 1: a kind of a more of a lob. And Jack

2063
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 1: Squier does his job and he's got a touchdown and

2064
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:58,639
Speaker 1: it's a kind of a career defining play. He ended

2065
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 1: up get cracked by a wide receiver from Miami and

2066
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:08,559
Speaker 1: at that point, whatever it was in their offense, had

2067
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,919
Speaker 1: this big wide receiver came in and when I say cracked,

2068
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 1: you know backers, he cracked me. He just blew his

2069
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 1: job and wired his jaws shut and he was never

2070
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 1: the same.

2071
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, So how was halftime?

2072
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 1: Were you guys up or half times? Are like even

2073
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:29,679
Speaker 1: at a Super Bowl?

2074
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:31,360
Speaker 2: Were they still long then? Too?

2075
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:33,840
Speaker 1: They was along, but not as long as No it's

2076
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 1: a major production, you know now. To me, half time

2077
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:41,799
Speaker 1: was nothing more than Okay, let's get.

2078
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:43,639
Speaker 2: This over with. Let's let's get back out.

2079
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 1: You know, I'm in the middle of a thing here.

2080
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:48,720
Speaker 1: Why do I need to come in here? You know,

2081
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:51,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather just go play.

2082
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 2: Without a doubt. We used to use halftime for the adjustments.

2083
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:55,880
Speaker 2: That was like a big thing.

2084
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:59,719
Speaker 1: We were simple. We were the simplest defense you could run. Yeah,

2085
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean we we were who we were, and we

2086
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 1: were big and physical, and we had two corners that

2087
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:08,439
Speaker 1: were going to lock you down, going to lock you down.

2088
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:11,400
Speaker 1: And they and that's a big story in the game

2089
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:17,400
Speaker 1: is their ability to lock down the lock down their receivers.

2090
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 2: That was everything.

2091
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, because in safeties could get down hill On Riggins

2092
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:25,479
Speaker 3: linebacker like didn't have to just one on one lock

2093
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:26,719
Speaker 3: up monk in Charlie Brown.

2094
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 1: It's a numbers game. You know, when you're running cover one,

2095
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 1: you can you could do some things with the safety

2096
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 1: you can.

2097
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:36,440
Speaker 2: If you can run cover one, if you got guys

2098
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 2: that can cover, it makes the game.

2099
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that makes you would say. I told him,

2100
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:43,160
Speaker 1: I said, you know, Lester had a he stuttered a bit.

2101
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 1: You know, so when you're when you got a wide

2102
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 1: receiver coming in a crack or a receiver coming from

2103
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 1: the outside the crack, you want you want them to

2104
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:57,120
Speaker 1: yell crack. Yeah, and see was a hard letter I

2105
01:54:57,120 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 1: think to start with. And he said, and I you know,

2106
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 1: he apologized eight three seven five. Sorry, So was it

2107
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 1: in this game? No, no, but it was just funny stutter.

2108
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 1: Leicester was the best. He should be a Hall of Famer.

2109
01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: I you know, he's it's there's some kind of contention

2110
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 1: there with the Senior Committee now, I think, but hopefully

2111
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:26,760
Speaker 1: at some point he gets in. Yeah, he's definitely I wanted,

2112
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, listen, cliff Branch should have been in the

2113
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Yeah, And it broke my heart that,

2114
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, we worked hard to try to you know,

2115
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:42,120
Speaker 1: sway voters to you know, looking at him. But you know,

2116
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 1: I think the Raiders aren't necessarily a popular team with voters,

2117
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe there's in their opinion, there's too

2118
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 1: many guys from the Raiders in the Hall of Fame

2119
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you know. And Clifford passed away, you know,

2120
01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 1: just before I ended up man, and I was so

2121
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 1: disappointed that he didn't have the.

2122
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 2: That's that's sad. Yeah, but you know, I don't know

2123
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 2: the politics all that stuff.

2124
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's listen, it's subjective like anything else. You know,

2125
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 1: when did you know this was in the bag.

2126
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 2: This game? Because I mean, you guys were blowing them out.

2127
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure I allowed myself to. I

2128
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 2: was the same way. I was the same exactly way.

2129
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't know that I lobed myself necessarily to do

2130
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:36,000
Speaker 1: that when we're kind of running a clock out, you know, yeah,

2131
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean you know you see Lyle on sidelines crying,

2132
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of yeah, it's it's there. Tom

2133
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:46,360
Speaker 1: Floores was, you know, the perfect coach for a team

2134
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 1: like this. He was a man of few words, and

2135
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,800
Speaker 1: you know when he did speak, it was, you know,

2136
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 1: it was, you know, something of significance. And you know,

2137
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 1: you've got to manage a group like this. Yeah, you know,

2138
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 1: a locker room like this, which is challenging locker room.

2139
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you guys had cornerstone players like yourself and like, yeah,

2140
01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 2: you guys had the Raiders shit going, but there was

2141
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:15,160
Speaker 2: still yeah, a group of guys that I mean, you

2142
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:17,040
Speaker 2: guys won a few Super Bowls.

2143
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 1: Well, Marcus comes out of college and you know, he's

2144
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 1: just the dominant, you know player. He can he could run,

2145
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 1: he could throw the ball. He played quarterback in high school. Yeah,

2146
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:34,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't realize that he made

2147
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 1: some you know, some good throws. And the one thing

2148
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 1: he was really good at and it's something that people

2149
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 1: don't factor in. Two things. One is as a chip blocker.

2150
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:51,400
Speaker 1: I saw him butcher some defensive ends. Yeah, and if

2151
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:53,040
Speaker 1: he had to pick up a blitzer, he'd give you

2152
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 1: that kind of he'd give you that kind of headfake

2153
01:57:56,200 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 1: like he was going to go low on you and

2154
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:00,840
Speaker 1: you go like this and get right out of the chick,

2155
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:06,800
Speaker 1: get right under the chin. And he was He was

2156
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 1: just a smart, smart player and wasn't a guy that

2157
01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 1: ran a four to three or broke so many big runs.

2158
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 1: Because of his you rarely got There are guys that

2159
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 1: some backs just you just don't get clean hits.

2160
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 2: One.

2161
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 1: You didn't get a lot of clean hits on Marcus.

2162
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 1: And he was so physically tough. He's a tough, tough player.

2163
01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:29,600
Speaker 2: You never see him got caught from behind either. Though,

2164
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 2: Like when you watch his old highlights, right He's kind

2165
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 2: of like Jerry Rice in that sense where he didn't

2166
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:35,920
Speaker 2: run a four to three. That's a good analogy. He

2167
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 2: ran fourth, you know whatever he ran. But those guys

2168
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:40,720
Speaker 2: on the field to just have field speed.

2169
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: There's a guy in the neighborhood who's running from somebody,

2170
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, in my neighborhood. Yeah, they you know, some

2171
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 1: guys were fast and some guys weren't.

2172
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:54,040
Speaker 2: You gotta be a fast guy. Yeah. The Raiders win

2173
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 2: thirty eight to nine. What did that moment feel like?

2174
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:02,760
Speaker 2: As soon as the clock zero? Winning your first Super Bowl?

2175
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 2: Like I said, you know, I thought this was easy. Yeah.

2176
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:12,840
Speaker 2: You know, young players early in your career.

2177
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 1: Do this again three four times, and you know, you

2178
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 1: come to realize later on that you know, unlike basketball

2179
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 1: or baseball or hockey, where it's best of three, best

2180
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:29,840
Speaker 1: of five, it's one game. It's single elimination, which, isaak

2181
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:32,680
Speaker 1: is why you know the game and the playoffs are

2182
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 1: so fascinating, and and you know, it's a salary cap

2183
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 1: league and players, you know, the same players who are

2184
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:45,920
Speaker 1: there aren't necessarily going to be there. Uh, And you

2185
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:48,440
Speaker 1: know what, you pull one guy out and another guy out,

2186
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:52,400
Speaker 1: and suddenly the structure kind of you know, teeters a

2187
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 1: little bit, and and I think the ability to understand

2188
01:59:57,800 --> 02:00:02,720
Speaker 1: the significance of the moment. This team probably should have

2189
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 1: maybe won in eighty two, should have won maybe in

2190
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:13,600
Speaker 1: eighty five, and we probably weren't. Maybe it's a muffed

2191
02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:19,400
Speaker 1: kickoff or a muffed punt or something something that ends

2192
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 1: up knocking you out when in reality the next matchup,

2193
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:26,760
Speaker 1: we were probably better shooted for that matchup than the

2194
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:29,520
Speaker 1: team that was going forward. Yeah, and you know that's

2195
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:32,600
Speaker 1: on you, that's on your your group. And it's unlike

2196
02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:35,480
Speaker 1: baseball basketball. You know, it's a couple of players that

2197
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:37,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on.

2198
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 2: There's no same team ever, No players and coaches leave

2199
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:45,440
Speaker 2: every single time. Nobody cares about yesterday. No one cares

2200
02:00:45,480 --> 02:00:46,200
Speaker 2: about yesterday.

2201
02:00:46,200 --> 02:00:49,320
Speaker 1: No, no, And that's why I was always it was

2202
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 1: kind of like what was that movie with Ben a

2203
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:59,680
Speaker 1: Fleckwerk and Morgan Freeman about the nuclear bomb and Russia.

2204
02:01:00,160 --> 02:01:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, the fascination that Morgan Freeman had as a

2205
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:08,840
Speaker 1: government agent, some of all fears he had, there was

2206
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:13,800
Speaker 1: that kind of fascination with their nuclear building. I was

2207
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:19,040
Speaker 1: always fascinated by the patriots. Then building was kind of

2208
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:23,200
Speaker 1: like the nuclear building. You didn't get in there. You know,

2209
02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:27,040
Speaker 1: there are very few people that were in there that survived.

2210
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:33,080
Speaker 1: You were killed off somehow poisoned car runs you over, whatever,

2211
02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:38,560
Speaker 1: heart attack to a perfectly healthy person. So for me too,

2212
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:42,760
Speaker 1: I was always fascinated as a broadcaster by the Patriots

2213
02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 1: and your group and Bill and the way you went

2214
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:50,720
Speaker 1: about your business, and you know, was wanted to get

2215
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:53,520
Speaker 1: in the building. And it was like Morgan Freeman getting

2216
02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:57,800
Speaker 1: in the nuclear facility with Ben Affleck and seeing it

2217
02:01:57,920 --> 02:02:01,320
Speaker 1: finally and then walking out of it and thinking, am

2218
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:02,240
Speaker 1: I gonna get shot here?

2219
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:08,160
Speaker 2: Did Ben Affleck ever asked you to be in the town? No? No,

2220
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:09,480
Speaker 2: I know that.

2221
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:13,120
Speaker 1: You know what they they nailed it. That's it's based

2222
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:18,880
Speaker 1: on a book. I think, Uh Canlanergen book? Let me

2223
02:02:18,920 --> 02:02:22,040
Speaker 1: double check Prince of Thieves or something, or maybe I'm

2224
02:02:22,040 --> 02:02:22,680
Speaker 1: wrong on that.

2225
02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:25,240
Speaker 2: My grandma's from Charlestown and that movie starts with like

2226
02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:29,560
Speaker 2: Charlestown has the highest rate of per capita bank robbers, and.

2227
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:31,720
Speaker 1: The robbers in the country more unsolved murders.

2228
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:33,480
Speaker 2: He's like, that's not true, that's not true.

2229
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:36,240
Speaker 1: You know, And and really what you're doing is you're

2230
02:02:37,600 --> 02:02:41,600
Speaker 1: in that movie, and and and they they captured maybe

2231
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 1: the the a small element.

2232
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:45,160
Speaker 2: You know.

2233
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:47,040
Speaker 1: We did have a lot of bank robbers, there were

2234
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:48,480
Speaker 1: a lot of stolen cars, There were a lot of

2235
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 1: unsolved murders. But there are a lot of good people there,

2236
02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, very Irish Catholic neighborhood.

2237
02:02:57,080 --> 02:03:00,680
Speaker 2: What was the book, Prince of Thieves four? I was wrong.

2238
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:01,880
Speaker 2: It's a chuck open book.

2239
02:03:01,960 --> 02:03:06,320
Speaker 1: It took place in an earlier time, but it was

2240
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:09,800
Speaker 1: set in present day, So in present day, that's not

2241
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:11,520
Speaker 1: what Charlestown was really like.

2242
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:12,120
Speaker 2: At that time.

2243
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:15,800
Speaker 1: It was like that when I was growing up, you know,

2244
02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:20,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't a particularly tough kid, you know, so I

2245
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:21,720
Speaker 1: didn't figure it out.

2246
02:03:21,720 --> 02:03:22,680
Speaker 2: It's kind of like Kyle.

2247
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:26,880
Speaker 1: I didn't figure it out until I was like fifteen

2248
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:28,480
Speaker 1: or sixteen.

2249
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:31,640
Speaker 2: That wait a second, I don't have to take this shit. Yeah,

2250
02:03:31,960 --> 02:03:32,800
Speaker 2: you know, And.

2251
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:38,480
Speaker 1: Going coming from there, you know, is a I think

2252
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:40,360
Speaker 1: it is a good foundation, without a doubt.

2253
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,320
Speaker 2: There's some tough, strong people there.

2254
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:45,320
Speaker 1: And you know, you you look back on it, you go,

2255
02:03:46,600 --> 02:03:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, could what I've made things different? I don't

2256
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:53,520
Speaker 1: know that I would, you know, And and did anyone

2257
02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 1: think when I left there that I was gonna. I

2258
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:58,760
Speaker 1: had never played organized sports. We played in the street,

2259
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:02,760
Speaker 1: you know, we play played football on Rutherford Avenue in

2260
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:06,440
Speaker 1: the the whatever. That building was next to Hood's Milk

2261
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:10,560
Speaker 1: and the field was ten feet wide and you were

2262
02:04:10,640 --> 02:04:13,240
Speaker 1: right on the right on the freeway there. And when

2263
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:16,280
Speaker 1: you ran that out route, you were really dedicated, you

2264
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:19,440
Speaker 1: are because if you get pushed out of bounce.

2265
02:04:19,320 --> 02:04:21,680
Speaker 2: Could get hit, could get hit, could get hit.

2266
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, everything was done on blacktop and

2267
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:30,160
Speaker 1: played baseball. No coaches, no parents, nothing, So you really

2268
02:04:30,640 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 1: the kind of foundational, kind of structure of sports to

2269
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:39,800
Speaker 1: me was learned there. Now later on I ended up,

2270
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, playing football in high school and college and

2271
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, box a little bit and you know, did

2272
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:46,520
Speaker 1: that and.

2273
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:50,040
Speaker 2: Just grew.

2274
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:52,880
Speaker 1: And when I got drafted, my wife and I can't

2275
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:56,720
Speaker 1: remember where we were because I you know, people work

2276
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,840
Speaker 1: out when you're in college and you're you know you're

2277
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:05,440
Speaker 1: a prospect, particularly if you're a first round, second round prospect,

2278
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:07,000
Speaker 1: you know you'll have a pro day. We didn't have

2279
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,840
Speaker 1: a pro day. I worked out thirty four.

2280
02:05:09,720 --> 02:05:12,120
Speaker 2: Times in the snow, in the rain.

2281
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:15,720
Speaker 1: I ran a forty on the front lawn of my

2282
02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:18,640
Speaker 1: dorm for a guy that was just checking a box

2283
02:05:19,120 --> 02:05:21,520
Speaker 1: because you know, most teams were not gonna draft me.

2284
02:05:22,040 --> 02:05:26,440
Speaker 1: Al Davis, did you know saw something in me that

2285
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:30,920
Speaker 1: you know that I didn't see in myself? Really tell

2286
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:32,760
Speaker 1: you the truth, Na.

2287
02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:37,400
Speaker 2: I didn't. You know. It was like Billanova was perfect

2288
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:40,840
Speaker 2: for me. But that's what made you you that insecurity? Yeah,

2289
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, and that's why you prepare. And I see

2290
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:43,720
Speaker 2: it in your eye.

2291
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:46,680
Speaker 1: You never take anything for granted. And people make fun

2292
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:48,800
Speaker 1: of me work because I write, I'm always writing, I'm

2293
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:52,840
Speaker 1: always I'm I'm a I try to do things. I

2294
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:57,560
Speaker 1: try to. There's nothing, there's nothing I leave for chance.

2295
02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:02,040
Speaker 1: I control as much much as you can control, the

2296
02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:04,840
Speaker 1: rest of it will take care of itself. Yeah, you know,

2297
02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:08,880
Speaker 1: give yourself the best possible chance to be successful in

2298
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:09,560
Speaker 1: anything you do.

2299
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:13,280
Speaker 2: You know, and you did. I mean, you've not only

2300
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:16,960
Speaker 2: had an unbelievable football career, you're you've been in my

2301
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:19,560
Speaker 2: house since I was before I can remember on my

2302
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:23,600
Speaker 2: TV watching football thirty one years, a long time. It's

2303
02:06:23,680 --> 02:06:26,760
Speaker 2: it's outrageous. I mean, that's that's the crazy thing is

2304
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:30,520
Speaker 2: people probably recognize you now more, way more for what

2305
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:33,600
Speaker 2: you've done off the field. Which is that is the

2306
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:34,480
Speaker 2: coolest thing ever.

2307
02:06:34,640 --> 02:06:37,280
Speaker 1: You go into seven eleven and you know, and the

2308
02:06:37,320 --> 02:06:41,880
Speaker 1: guy looks at you like you look a lot, like

2309
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:46,160
Speaker 1: HOWI long? I say, yeah, I am get out? What

2310
02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:47,920
Speaker 1: are you doing in here? I said, getting some gum?

2311
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:51,600
Speaker 1: You think I got somebody who goes in to get

2312
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 1: the GUMMB.

2313
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:56,120
Speaker 2: Guy them guys, I love seven elevens. You know, it's

2314
02:06:56,240 --> 02:07:01,360
Speaker 2: it's most people are really nice. No, people are very.

2315
02:07:01,320 --> 02:07:05,640
Speaker 3: Nice, Jackie. What's aftermath of this game? Marcus Allen goes

2316
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:08,960
Speaker 3: on to win Super Bowl MVP. In this one, twenty

2317
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 3: carries one hundred and ninety one yards two TVs. The

2318
02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:15,919
Speaker 3: Raiders become the first team to score in all three phases.

2319
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:21,040
Speaker 3: Pretty crazy. Block punt pick six duchouns on offense and

2320
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:22,720
Speaker 3: this in a Super Bowl pretty crazy.

2321
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:23,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

2322
02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:25,880
Speaker 3: They become the second team in NFL history with three

2323
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:28,400
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, right there with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

2324
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:29,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

2325
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:32,400
Speaker 3: They would go eleven and five the next season, finishing

2326
02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 3: third in the AFC West. Redskins would go eleven and

2327
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:38,640
Speaker 3: five the next season, women in FC East and fall

2328
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:41,280
Speaker 3: to Chicago in the divisional round, but Joe Gibbs would

2329
02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:43,960
Speaker 3: going to win two more super Bowls after this, uh

2330
02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:45,320
Speaker 3: and this would be the last Super Bowl.

2331
02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 1: Good Manders Terry and I just did his last year

2332
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,960
Speaker 1: of the year before. We did his huge charity event

2333
02:07:53,080 --> 02:07:56,840
Speaker 1: up there, and he's he's he walks that, he talks

2334
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:58,640
Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's the real deal.

2335
02:07:58,720 --> 02:08:00,920
Speaker 2: You never heard anyone say anything bad about Joe Gibbs

2336
02:08:01,720 --> 02:08:02,280
Speaker 2: was a good.

2337
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:04,040
Speaker 1: Man, you know what I found out. And the last

2338
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:09,120
Speaker 1: time I was there was Doug Williams was they had

2339
02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:14,760
Speaker 1: a kind of a verbal agreement. It was it wasn't finalized,

2340
02:08:15,200 --> 02:08:19,120
Speaker 1: but Doug Williams was traded to Al Davis and the

2341
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:24,480
Speaker 1: Raiders while I was there, and we end up we

2342
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:32,200
Speaker 1: end up getting h Jay Schrader. Uh So Williams, who

2343
02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:37,720
Speaker 1: is the prototypical Raider quarterback throws the nine route, the

2344
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, the deep, the deep, strong seam route, big strong,

2345
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,800
Speaker 1: athletic cannon for an arm Terry would have been great

2346
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:50,240
Speaker 1: in our system too. And then I see there we

2347
02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:55,040
Speaker 1: make the transition to uh Fox and you know, Kenny

2348
02:08:55,040 --> 02:09:00,560
Speaker 1: Stabler's you know, he's one of those kind of it's

2349
02:09:01,240 --> 02:09:03,240
Speaker 1: he's become like a folklore.

2350
02:09:03,560 --> 02:09:07,640
Speaker 2: You know, the stories about him are crazy, Yeah.

2351
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:09,800
Speaker 1: Stories about a lot of people were crazy, and you

2352
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:11,880
Speaker 1: know a lot of them were probably true.

2353
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:16,480
Speaker 2: We'd be we'd be crazy not to ask how we long?

2354
02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:20,440
Speaker 2: What does it mean to be a Raider? It's hard

2355
02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:23,160
Speaker 2: to kind of sum it up, but it's it's the

2356
02:09:23,160 --> 02:09:25,720
Speaker 2: same thing that you probably get from people always asking

2357
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:28,120
Speaker 2: me the Patriot way. Everyone asks you what does it

2358
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:28,760
Speaker 2: mean to be a Raiate?

2359
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:35,160
Speaker 1: It's it's toughness, it's you know, it's when when I

2360
02:09:35,240 --> 02:09:39,080
Speaker 1: first got there, it was really interesting because you know

2361
02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:44,640
Speaker 1: that guy on the left, Al Davis's is he's an iconic,

2362
02:09:45,480 --> 02:09:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, in the history of the NFL, between being

2363
02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:51,880
Speaker 1: the commissioner of the AFL and you know, then going

2364
02:09:51,880 --> 02:09:54,160
Speaker 1: over to the Raiders and coaching the Raiders and then

2365
02:09:54,560 --> 02:10:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, building three championship teams and drafting guys like

2366
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:02,760
Speaker 1: I said, I think our shell's.

2367
02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:02,840
Speaker 2: Out of.

2368
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:11,640
Speaker 1: Eastern Maryland Shores. You know, Willie Brown brings in Willie

2369
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:14,160
Speaker 1: Brown and Maryland what is.

2370
02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:18,440
Speaker 3: It Maryland State which is now University of Maryland Eastern

2371
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:19,080
Speaker 3: short correct?

2372
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:22,240
Speaker 2: Right? Where did he? How did he? You know?

2373
02:10:23,240 --> 02:10:26,520
Speaker 1: There there was a scouting element and nobody in the

2374
02:10:26,520 --> 02:10:30,680
Speaker 1: building had a title, So ron Wolf was a GM.

2375
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,560
Speaker 1: But you get there and you look around and you say,

2376
02:10:34,120 --> 02:10:35,280
Speaker 1: what does greatness look like?

2377
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:38,040
Speaker 2: It's everywhere.

2378
02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:44,080
Speaker 1: It's Al Davis, it's Ron Wolf, it's Tom Floory's, it's Archell,

2379
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:48,320
Speaker 1: It's Gene Upshaw, Freddie Blittnakoff is on the staff, Willie

2380
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:53,480
Speaker 1: Brown's on the staff, Cliff branch Ted, Hendrix, Lyle Alzado.

2381
02:10:54,200 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 1: You know, everywhere you look, you know, there's and guys

2382
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:05,959
Speaker 1: that Jim Otto, you know, it's it's it's the ghosts

2383
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:10,000
Speaker 1: of Christmas Past. You know, it's you walked through the

2384
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:12,400
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and you know it's littered with the

2385
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:19,520
Speaker 1: guys I'm talking about. And they were more than happy

2386
02:11:19,560 --> 02:11:23,000
Speaker 1: with as long as you were, you fit all the criteria,

2387
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:26,320
Speaker 1: you were tough, you worked hard. You know, they would

2388
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:29,680
Speaker 1: bring you along, you know, and and I, in turn,

2389
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:34,040
Speaker 1: later on brought guys along. And that was part of

2390
02:11:34,080 --> 02:11:39,440
Speaker 1: our organizational. What made the organization special was and I

2391
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:43,040
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine playing anywhere else. I couldn't imagine putting on

2392
02:11:43,080 --> 02:11:47,560
Speaker 1: any other uniform. But I was always intrigued by you know,

2393
02:11:47,640 --> 02:11:52,040
Speaker 1: I'd watch Minnesota, you know, with Doleman and you know,

2394
02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:56,640
Speaker 1: you know the groups when when I was playing, Yeah,

2395
02:11:56,720 --> 02:11:59,040
Speaker 1: they ran you know, four man front.

2396
02:11:59,080 --> 02:12:00,520
Speaker 2: That was the Bears.

2397
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:03,480
Speaker 1: I watched the Bears play in their forty six defense,

2398
02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:05,080
Speaker 1: I'd say, what would it be like to play in

2399
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:08,560
Speaker 1: that defense? You know, I'm playing in a two gap sit,

2400
02:12:08,680 --> 02:12:11,440
Speaker 1: squat and catch and hope you get the third down.

2401
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:14,920
Speaker 1: But there's no place I'd rather be.

2402
02:12:15,720 --> 02:12:20,120
Speaker 2: I feel the same way as a Patriot, though. Sure, Sure,

2403
02:12:20,240 --> 02:12:23,880
Speaker 2: that's the cool thing about you know where we're at,

2404
02:12:23,960 --> 02:12:25,720
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys played all of them one

2405
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:29,680
Speaker 2: one team. There's not many of those at Fox.

2406
02:12:31,080 --> 02:12:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, I've been with two teams for forty four years,

2407
02:12:34,720 --> 02:12:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, Fox and the Raiders. And I'm not I.

2408
02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:44,080
Speaker 1: And that's me. I'm not you know, I don't change outfits. Well,

2409
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I I. And then it's funny because

2410
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:50,240
Speaker 1: yesterday I was in al Segundo and our practice facility

2411
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:52,320
Speaker 1: used to be in a middle school in al Gondo. Yeah,

2412
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:58,920
Speaker 1: And I remember driving to work the same route every

2413
02:12:59,120 --> 02:13:04,440
Speaker 1: day because if I didn't drive the same route every day,

2414
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:05,680
Speaker 1: something might happen.

2415
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:08,320
Speaker 2: And I don't know whether I'm.

2416
02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm not superstitious per se, but I was about football.

2417
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:16,360
Speaker 2: I was about football that superstitious You drove the same

2418
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:18,920
Speaker 2: route every day. Yeah, that's what I'm saying back. That's

2419
02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:21,560
Speaker 2: pretty sick. That's superstitious totally.

2420
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:24,040
Speaker 1: And you don't realize it at the time. But I

2421
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:28,000
Speaker 1: got dressed a certain way. I got you know, my routine,

2422
02:13:28,680 --> 02:13:32,720
Speaker 1: my dinner on Saturday, my everything had to be the

2423
02:13:32,840 --> 02:13:37,760
Speaker 1: exact same, you know. And I stood in the same

2424
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:41,120
Speaker 1: place for the national anthem. I you know, there were

2425
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:44,800
Speaker 1: things that I did. I always did my forties, you know,

2426
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:46,200
Speaker 1: before anybody got there.

2427
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:48,560
Speaker 2: And you know, if we cut your if we cut

2428
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:51,160
Speaker 2: your legs off from like your femur, I think that

2429
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:52,960
Speaker 2: would be me because I'm like the same way with

2430
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:57,320
Speaker 2: all that stuff. Yeah, I was the same way with routine, routine, routine,

2431
02:13:57,560 --> 02:13:59,600
Speaker 2: And I would always say I wasn't superstitious, but I

2432
02:13:59,600 --> 02:14:02,320
Speaker 2: was super issues as fuck. I laid out my my

2433
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:05,600
Speaker 2: my I would lay up my my uniform the same way.

2434
02:14:05,640 --> 02:14:08,360
Speaker 2: I would eat the same thing every night because that's

2435
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:10,440
Speaker 2: I did it good once with that, so I thought

2436
02:14:10,440 --> 02:14:11,400
Speaker 2: I would always be like that.

2437
02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:15,680
Speaker 1: Driving through El Segundo yesterday, uh, you know, doing a

2438
02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:23,000
Speaker 1: sketcher spot, it reminded me of that whole thing. And

2439
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm not really a I'm not really an LA guy.

2440
02:14:26,840 --> 02:14:29,600
Speaker 1: So you know, it wasn't for us, and I wanted

2441
02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:33,880
Speaker 1: to raise the boys somewhere else. Virginia was a good

2442
02:14:33,960 --> 02:14:38,760
Speaker 1: choice and doing that. But uh, and the the funny

2443
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:43,360
Speaker 1: thing is you winning here is different than winning in

2444
02:14:44,160 --> 02:14:48,000
Speaker 1: New England. Oh yeah, because winning here. We were a

2445
02:14:48,040 --> 02:14:52,240
Speaker 1: team that came from Oakland. We went to LA. We

2446
02:14:52,280 --> 02:14:56,200
Speaker 1: won in our second year here. They never had a championship,

2447
02:14:56,560 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 1: I never had a Super Bowl champion here. Still have

2448
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:03,760
Speaker 1: an amazing fan base down here. You know a lot

2449
02:15:03,800 --> 02:15:07,360
Speaker 1: of people travel to Vegas from LA from Oakland. We're

2450
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of the Southwest Raiders, without a doubt. And but

2451
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:16,040
Speaker 1: you win here, if you're the Dodgers or you're the Lakers,

2452
02:15:16,600 --> 02:15:19,960
Speaker 1: it's special. But you kind of feel like it's the

2453
02:15:20,080 --> 02:15:23,320
Speaker 1: championship that doesn't have a home or like a ship,

2454
02:15:23,400 --> 02:15:27,720
Speaker 1: what's what's that? In the Tom Cruise Law Firm movie,

2455
02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:33,600
Speaker 1: The Firm, The Firm, he's talking to the two mobster

2456
02:15:33,720 --> 02:15:37,040
Speaker 1: guys that the firm represents and he says, I'm a

2457
02:15:37,080 --> 02:15:41,400
Speaker 1: lot like a ship that's carrying a cargo that will

2458
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:48,560
Speaker 1: never reach port and that team, there's a void to me.

2459
02:15:49,560 --> 02:15:53,280
Speaker 1: You go back to Boston and it's special.

2460
02:15:53,400 --> 02:15:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, LA really transplant It's tough. It's you're competing with

2461
02:15:58,480 --> 02:15:59,440
Speaker 2: so many different things.

2462
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:03,560
Speaker 1: It's the Yellows Island of There are people from Chicago,

2463
02:16:03,640 --> 02:16:06,600
Speaker 1: there are people from Detroit, there are people from There's

2464
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:12,560
Speaker 1: more bars here that have that people go to from

2465
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:15,720
Speaker 1: another city to watch a football game on Sunday.

2466
02:16:15,640 --> 02:16:18,800
Speaker 2: Sonny Mcleans, Sonny McLean's Boston Bar, Baby Monica.

2467
02:16:19,600 --> 02:16:23,240
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen in Cleveland, That doesn't happen in Pittsburgh,

2468
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:27,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen in Chicago, that doesn't happen in New England.

2469
02:16:27,320 --> 02:16:28,280
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

2470
02:16:29,560 --> 02:16:30,400
Speaker 3: That is crazy to think.

2471
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:34,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah. The Raiders, I feel, are different. They're

2472
02:16:34,120 --> 02:16:37,320
Speaker 2: not an LA team like you said, They're a South pirateship.

2473
02:16:37,480 --> 02:16:39,280
Speaker 2: That's the best way for them to do it, to

2474
02:16:39,360 --> 02:16:42,520
Speaker 2: go leave Oakland, win it in here and then go

2475
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:43,160
Speaker 2: back like that.

2476
02:16:44,760 --> 02:16:47,359
Speaker 1: And we got to win in Vegas. That's The stadium

2477
02:16:47,440 --> 02:16:53,120
Speaker 1: is amazing. It's it's beautiful. It's probably as emblematic of

2478
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:57,720
Speaker 1: any franchise from a stadium standpoint, visual rates, state, visually great.

2479
02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:01,640
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the death star Land did in Vegas.

2480
02:17:01,959 --> 02:17:02,760
Speaker 2: No, it really is.

2481
02:17:02,840 --> 02:17:06,920
Speaker 1: And the practice facility beautiful, amazing, Our practice facility. There

2482
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:08,920
Speaker 1: was always like a hammer and a two by four

2483
02:17:09,440 --> 02:17:11,720
Speaker 1: in every meeting room, and they were like those those

2484
02:17:11,800 --> 02:17:14,640
Speaker 1: shutters that you know in cheap buildings, where you know

2485
02:17:14,720 --> 02:17:17,800
Speaker 1: you can between the linebacker meeting and the defensive line meeting.

2486
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:19,880
Speaker 1: If there was an argument in our room or there

2487
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:23,080
Speaker 1: was a fight breaking out, Matt Miller will be peeking around.

2488
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:25,600
Speaker 2: The divide the room, divide the room.

2489
02:17:25,680 --> 02:17:29,440
Speaker 1: So you know, Mark has done a They've gone from

2490
02:17:29,480 --> 02:17:32,880
Speaker 1: thirty second, thirty first in revenue to top five, and

2491
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's great. We just got to get some

2492
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:40,000
Speaker 1: stability and you know, and the quarterback, and that's what

2493
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:43,600
Speaker 1: you need. You know, listen, that's what everyone needs. It's

2494
02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:48,119
Speaker 1: it's the hardest position to forecast, going from middle school,

2495
02:17:48,640 --> 02:17:53,000
Speaker 1: high school, high school to college, college to pros and

2496
02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:55,120
Speaker 1: if you don't go to the right place. And I

2497
02:17:55,160 --> 02:17:57,600
Speaker 1: thought Williams is going to a great place in Chicago.

2498
02:17:58,280 --> 02:18:01,400
Speaker 1: But the thing I didn't factor in was the coordinator

2499
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:05,199
Speaker 1: and the old line was last year was young as

2500
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:10,320
Speaker 1: sending offensive line. If you're not if you're not putting

2501
02:18:10,360 --> 02:18:15,440
Speaker 1: together the proper game plan to give the quarterback the

2502
02:18:15,480 --> 02:18:20,360
Speaker 1: young quarterback answers to every situation and meshing the run

2503
02:18:20,440 --> 02:18:23,880
Speaker 1: game with the pass game and bootlegs and taking advantage

2504
02:18:23,879 --> 02:18:27,520
Speaker 1: of what he does. Well, see Jade and Daniels whose

2505
02:18:27,600 --> 02:18:30,280
Speaker 1: coordinator was in the building in Chicago and they never

2506
02:18:30,320 --> 02:18:33,680
Speaker 1: even offered him. Now, I love the GM there and

2507
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:36,840
Speaker 1: I love what they've built there from a personnel standpoint,

2508
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:39,800
Speaker 1: but he made a mistake with the offensive coordinator.

2509
02:18:40,560 --> 02:18:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a couple takes on that. I think

2510
02:18:44,400 --> 02:18:47,240
Speaker 2: there's about fourteen million because I like the kid. I

2511
02:18:47,240 --> 02:18:48,920
Speaker 2: think the kid's good. I think he's doing good, and

2512
02:18:48,920 --> 02:18:52,279
Speaker 2: he's progressed and he's improved, and he's shown probably.

2513
02:18:51,959 --> 02:18:55,199
Speaker 1: Drive that drive from the one yard line, a couple

2514
02:18:55,280 --> 02:18:57,560
Speaker 1: of them in Detroit. No, the one in Detroit at

2515
02:18:57,560 --> 02:19:00,120
Speaker 1: the end of the game, the one yard line and

2516
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:03,160
Speaker 1: you're in you're in position at the very least, we're

2517
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:08,039
Speaker 1: going overtime. How does that not happen? Well, well, you

2518
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:11,920
Speaker 1: see the the autopsy on that is you know there.

2519
02:19:11,959 --> 02:19:13,240
Speaker 1: It was multiple causes.

2520
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:17,960
Speaker 2: It was multiple Yeah, man, we got to score the

2521
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:21,199
Speaker 2: game now real quick. We were taken so much time

2522
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:24,560
Speaker 2: from from Howie. We appreciate you. We got to name

2523
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:27,279
Speaker 2: the game out of any of these names, the Silver

2524
02:19:27,320 --> 02:19:30,160
Speaker 2: and Black beat Down, the Slaughter of the Hogs, the

2525
02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:34,920
Speaker 2: black Hole one. This one's for al the Marcus Allen games. Easy,

2526
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:37,600
Speaker 2: which one is it? It's one of the final two.

2527
02:19:37,959 --> 02:19:41,720
Speaker 2: Just win, baby, or just one baby.

2528
02:19:41,800 --> 02:19:44,440
Speaker 1: That might be a new T shirt. You and I

2529
02:19:44,480 --> 02:19:46,840
Speaker 1: should do that. Don't put that out there publicly. You

2530
02:19:46,879 --> 02:19:47,600
Speaker 1: and I will do it.

2531
02:19:47,879 --> 02:19:51,440
Speaker 2: Just one Mark, cut the check. Let's go just one baby, baby?

2532
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:54,920
Speaker 2: Score the game? Is this the greatest game of all time?

2533
02:19:55,280 --> 02:20:00,240
Speaker 2: Let's score it? Stakes zero to ten? Decimal z okay,

2534
02:20:00,280 --> 02:20:03,240
Speaker 2: the stakes of this Super Bowl game? The first? Is

2535
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:06,160
Speaker 2: this the first? No? Is this the first of the Raiders?

2536
02:20:06,360 --> 02:20:06,680
Speaker 3: Third?

2537
02:20:06,879 --> 02:20:08,160
Speaker 2: Third? Third?

2538
02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:13,119
Speaker 1: We'd won an eighty one one? The first wildcard team

2539
02:20:13,640 --> 02:20:16,320
Speaker 1: is the wildcard inception to win that game? And that

2540
02:20:16,400 --> 02:20:20,120
Speaker 1: team you want to talk about, you know, bag of

2541
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:22,840
Speaker 1: bonds and cast off. They It was amazing. It was

2542
02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:25,400
Speaker 1: amazing that they were and then they won to beat

2543
02:20:25,440 --> 02:20:26,480
Speaker 1: the Eagles.

2544
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:28,360
Speaker 2: And stake zero to ten. That you got to store

2545
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:32,400
Speaker 2: this game, I would say at that time, because it

2546
02:20:32,480 --> 02:20:36,879
Speaker 2: was such a lopsided they were favored I think by nine.

2547
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Raiders were big underdogs.

2548
02:20:39,400 --> 02:20:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, huge underdogs. It was an afterthought that we were.

2549
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:44,680
Speaker 1: We were just you know, we were kind of the

2550
02:20:45,040 --> 02:20:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, the guy that gets killed in seene one. Yeah,

2551
02:20:48,680 --> 02:20:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, uh and uh and turns out we you know,

2552
02:20:52,840 --> 02:20:54,040
Speaker 1: end up being the leading man.

2553
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh you know. And it's a huge win. It's

2554
02:20:57,440 --> 02:20:58,200
Speaker 2: a one.

2555
02:20:58,280 --> 02:21:01,560
Speaker 1: It's number three for the team, you know, and three

2556
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:05,040
Speaker 1: super Bowls look a lot better than one super Bowl

2557
02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:06,280
Speaker 1: or even two.

2558
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:11,840
Speaker 2: Uh. Star power, Marcus Allen, you had to score it though,

2559
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:14,039
Speaker 2: the stakes of the game, the stakes of the game,

2560
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:20,039
Speaker 2: I'd say probably at that point, probably a nine nine

2561
02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:25,440
Speaker 2: I believe nine two. Yeah, I think because of the

2562
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:30,120
Speaker 2: Jack Washington's. Washington was a runaway truck. They set every

2563
02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:32,959
Speaker 2: record to this point in the NFL for offense. Yeah,

2564
02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:36,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this was this was a big win. Jack nine.

2565
02:21:36,320 --> 02:21:37,080
Speaker 2: I had a nine to one.

2566
02:21:37,320 --> 02:21:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'd have gone nine to five, but

2567
02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean I don't want to be too much of that. Hey,

2568
02:21:41,480 --> 02:21:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm glazing. I'm glazing.

2569
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:45,480
Speaker 2: Star Power zero to ten decimals, Okay, a lot of

2570
02:21:45,480 --> 02:21:47,040
Speaker 2: stars on this lot of Hall of famers.

2571
02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ed Hendrix, Yeah, Al Davis, you know, Gibbs, Gibbs,

2572
02:21:53,760 --> 02:22:00,760
Speaker 1: thives men, you know, uh yeah, Riggins, the Hogs, uh,

2573
02:22:00,920 --> 02:22:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, our our defense, Ted Hendricks, Lyle Alzado.

2574
02:22:05,879 --> 02:22:08,480
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, great great players.

2575
02:22:08,320 --> 02:22:12,120
Speaker 3: Markerry, Barry Manielou was saying the national anthem, Barry Manilo stand,

2576
02:22:12,120 --> 02:22:13,720
Speaker 3: we take we take that into account as well.

2577
02:22:14,120 --> 02:22:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go eight nine.

2578
02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:18,640
Speaker 2: Then I'm sorry.

2579
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, mister, but I'm not a Barry guy.

2580
02:22:22,879 --> 02:22:27,440
Speaker 2: I mean either, We'll go nine. A lot of Hall

2581
02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:29,000
Speaker 2: of famers here, man, there's a lot of this is

2582
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:30,199
Speaker 2: a lot of legacy people.

2583
02:22:30,600 --> 02:22:33,280
Speaker 3: I went eight nine on the same ballpark here.

2584
02:22:33,320 --> 02:22:35,440
Speaker 2: The gameplay of the game, a little bit of a blowout,

2585
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:39,039
Speaker 2: a little bit of a blow but three scores on all.

2586
02:22:38,840 --> 02:22:42,280
Speaker 3: Phases, the best defensive performances in Super Bowl history, best

2587
02:22:42,320 --> 02:22:44,680
Speaker 3: defensive in one of them. I think we held what

2588
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:47,680
Speaker 3: it was it eight nine points thirty eight to nine.

2589
02:22:47,800 --> 02:22:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Allen almost too hundre yards two touchdowns, I'd say

2590
02:22:50,480 --> 02:22:53,160
Speaker 2: at that point it was it was probably a nine.

2591
02:22:54,200 --> 02:23:00,320
Speaker 2: I'll go eight seven six seven. What I'm I think

2592
02:23:01,480 --> 02:23:03,720
Speaker 2: the blowout. You gotta have gameplays back and.

2593
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:05,560
Speaker 1: Forth, but you know, you have to think about one

2594
02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:09,160
Speaker 1: is you know what a complete whipping it was, how

2595
02:23:09,720 --> 02:23:13,440
Speaker 1: much we were underdogs by and that we had lost

2596
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:15,959
Speaker 1: to them earlier in the season, and they were a

2597
02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:18,760
Speaker 1: dominant team, A dominant team, it's like.

2598
02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:20,920
Speaker 2: How we will will you to change your score?

2599
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:23,400
Speaker 1: No, it's like to be fair. It's it's a lot

2600
02:23:23,480 --> 02:23:26,400
Speaker 1: like New York, New England, you know. I mean I

2601
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:30,080
Speaker 1: thought they gave you their best game, you know, at

2602
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:30,960
Speaker 1: the end of the season.

2603
02:23:31,240 --> 02:23:34,840
Speaker 2: There. I wasn't there for the yeah, the big Boy one.

2604
02:23:34,879 --> 02:23:37,440
Speaker 2: I was there for the eleven one. They got us twice.

2605
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:39,959
Speaker 5: There's a lot of parallels between the Broncos and Seahawks

2606
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:43,560
Speaker 5: Super Bowl with the like high flying Peyton Manning Broncos team.

2607
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:46,040
Speaker 5: There was that fumble snap right from the beginning, and

2608
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:47,279
Speaker 5: they just set the stage.

2609
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:47,800
Speaker 2: And it was a blowout.

2610
02:23:48,400 --> 02:23:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were a heavy defensive team. Yeah.

2611
02:23:52,280 --> 02:23:54,039
Speaker 2: Now we got to score the name of the game.

2612
02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:57,520
Speaker 2: How we just one? Baby? I think that's a ten.

2613
02:23:58,280 --> 02:24:02,280
Speaker 2: That's a that's a ten. Yeah, I mean I haven't

2614
02:24:02,320 --> 02:24:05,440
Speaker 2: heard just one baby. That's that's good.

2615
02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:08,280
Speaker 3: I scored this before we came up with it. It's

2616
02:24:08,320 --> 02:24:11,160
Speaker 3: awesome name. Like, can I change my score? Oh, I'm

2617
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:11,640
Speaker 3: going ten?

2618
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:14,480
Speaker 2: I had no I never even thought of that. I

2619
02:24:14,520 --> 02:24:16,440
Speaker 2: moved I moved mine up. I did eight point one.

2620
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:21,840
Speaker 2: What does it go? What is our total or average? Eight? Six?

2621
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:25,800
Speaker 2: One where does it score? And all of our games eighth.

2622
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:28,280
Speaker 5: Overall, just behind the two thousand and four ALCS game

2623
02:24:28,320 --> 02:24:30,480
Speaker 5: four Yankees versus Red Sox, and just ahead of the

2624
02:24:30,480 --> 02:24:33,560
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen NFC Championship Packers versus Seahawks.

2625
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:35,400
Speaker 3: Ten's whoa whoa?

2626
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:39,800
Speaker 2: Is it? It also factors in series or the Red Sox.

2627
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,240
Speaker 2: That was great, That was awesome. That was just that game.

2628
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:45,520
Speaker 2: That was but we talked a lot about the series.

2629
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:48,160
Speaker 2: We talked it was that big pop what what about?

2630
02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:50,880
Speaker 2: What about the Miracle on ice? It's fourth overall.

2631
02:24:51,560 --> 02:24:54,440
Speaker 3: We had Jim Craigan here.

2632
02:24:53,640 --> 02:24:58,080
Speaker 1: Top for Jack Charlestown boy in that game, Jersey guy

2633
02:24:58,200 --> 02:24:59,080
Speaker 1: was fighting everybody.

2634
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:00,000
Speaker 2: Did you know him?

2635
02:25:00,440 --> 02:25:04,640
Speaker 1: Yes, he's a little older than me. Jack probably didn't

2636
02:25:04,680 --> 02:25:06,520
Speaker 1: know I was around. Yeah, I mean but I was

2637
02:25:06,560 --> 02:25:07,280
Speaker 1: a younger guy.

2638
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:10,280
Speaker 2: You know what people don't realize, Like, I don't think

2639
02:25:10,320 --> 02:25:12,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people know you're a Boston guy. Yeah.

2640
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:17,160
Speaker 2: People think I'm from like Pasadena. Yeah, you know, you

2641
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:20,640
Speaker 2: think a guy that looks like this is from Pasadena. H.

2642
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:22,840
Speaker 5: When we had Jim Craig on to do that game,

2643
02:25:22,879 --> 02:25:26,640
Speaker 5: I put jewels on a Jack o'callahany just a shadow Charlestown.

2644
02:25:26,400 --> 02:25:30,440
Speaker 1: Jack O'Callahan, you know listen, star of the movie. I

2645
02:25:30,480 --> 02:25:34,080
Speaker 1: think you know he he was, you know, just he

2646
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:38,000
Speaker 1: really emblematic of Charlestown. It was kind of a Charlestown guy,

2647
02:25:38,560 --> 02:25:41,640
Speaker 1: Charlestown Boston players versus Minnesota players.

2648
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:44,240
Speaker 2: It was it was, it was real. It was a

2649
02:25:44,280 --> 02:25:47,120
Speaker 2: big thing. Could you eat so you got up on

2650
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:49,400
Speaker 2: the ice and stuff? Oh yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

2651
02:25:49,440 --> 02:25:52,400
Speaker 1: I shot a Pizza Hut commercial on skates, did you.

2652
02:25:52,480 --> 02:25:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't even I don't even know whether you

2653
02:25:54,200 --> 02:25:54,879
Speaker 2: can find it.

2654
02:25:54,879 --> 02:25:57,760
Speaker 5: It's to look that up hockey tournament in the Charlestown

2655
02:25:57,840 --> 02:25:59,080
Speaker 5: rink after they closed that.

2656
02:25:59,160 --> 02:26:04,400
Speaker 2: Every sounds beautiful. Now, yeah, it's changed, is gentrified. If

2657
02:26:04,440 --> 02:26:06,560
Speaker 2: I work another four years, I can maybe afford to move.

2658
02:26:06,680 --> 02:26:09,600
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe my grandma sold a triple decker on Elm

2659
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:13,560
Speaker 2: Street for how much like seven hundred probably twenty years ago.

2660
02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:17,680
Speaker 2: Well that's now the bottom floor is worth a mill.

2661
02:26:18,760 --> 02:26:22,280
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break. Howey, do

2662
02:26:22,360 --> 02:26:23,560
Speaker 2: we miss anything in this game?

2663
02:26:25,640 --> 02:26:26,000
Speaker 4: Uh?

2664
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the green Light podcast. I think Kyle

2665
02:26:29,480 --> 02:26:31,200
Speaker 1: on CBS. He's doing great.

2666
02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:33,160
Speaker 2: H he is a.

2667
02:26:34,600 --> 02:26:36,720
Speaker 1: You know, Chris, I talked about you when we came

2668
02:26:36,760 --> 02:26:39,080
Speaker 1: in here and said, you know, this is your deal.

2669
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:43,360
Speaker 1: You're you're kind of running. You're you're the CEO here

2670
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:46,920
Speaker 1: trying well. It's tough to do it is but I

2671
02:26:46,959 --> 02:26:49,039
Speaker 1: ask these guys are you know? And it's great. But

2672
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:51,240
Speaker 1: Chris has to do that, you know, and there's a

2673
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:54,960
Speaker 1: lot weighing on his shoulders. And you know he's doing

2674
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:58,720
Speaker 1: inside the NFL with Bill, which is a totally weird

2675
02:26:59,440 --> 02:27:01,280
Speaker 1: kind of thing, but Bill's great.

2676
02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:04,320
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's fun. I like the

2677
02:27:04,680 --> 02:27:07,720
Speaker 2: I like the the history thing. I like when he

2678
02:27:07,760 --> 02:27:10,840
Speaker 2: puts them all in breaks down film. Yeah, that's what

2679
02:27:10,879 --> 02:27:13,520
Speaker 2: we did for fifteen years, you know what I mean.

2680
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:15,440
Speaker 2: I like when he gets in there, does his little

2681
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:17,800
Speaker 2: history lesson and then test the fellows right there. And

2682
02:27:17,879 --> 02:27:18,400
Speaker 2: young Howie.

2683
02:27:18,440 --> 02:27:22,480
Speaker 1: Anybody needs a suite at the Raiders, just call Howie

2684
02:27:22,520 --> 02:27:25,840
Speaker 1: Long and tickets. He's uh, he works out there selling

2685
02:27:25,879 --> 02:27:29,400
Speaker 1: suitees and he's uh, he's the hard He's the only

2686
02:27:29,400 --> 02:27:32,120
Speaker 1: one in the family with a real job, you know.

2687
02:27:32,320 --> 02:27:33,400
Speaker 1: God bless you, Howie.

2688
02:27:34,200 --> 02:27:36,400
Speaker 5: And fun fact for a little games with names history,

2689
02:27:36,520 --> 02:27:38,199
Speaker 5: we had Chris and Kyle Long come on the show.

2690
02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:41,039
Speaker 2: They did the double point game and.

2691
02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:43,360
Speaker 5: Their moment where they tell the story that that was

2692
02:27:43,400 --> 02:27:46,480
Speaker 5: tipped is our best viewed video all time for a

2693
02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:50,240
Speaker 5: whole show, nineteen million views on YouTube, them telling the

2694
02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:51,680
Speaker 5: real story behind the double.

2695
02:27:51,440 --> 02:27:52,920
Speaker 2: Doing nineteen million.

2696
02:27:54,200 --> 02:27:57,560
Speaker 1: People don't realize how hard it is as a dad

2697
02:27:57,640 --> 02:28:01,440
Speaker 1: and a mom to watch the those games, particularly when

2698
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:03,640
Speaker 1: they played against each other, because it's not like the

2699
02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:05,080
Speaker 1: Mannings where they're both playing quarters.

2700
02:28:05,160 --> 02:28:05,959
Speaker 2: They're going against each other.

2701
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:07,600
Speaker 1: They're going against each other. As a matter of fact,

2702
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:11,200
Speaker 1: when Kyle came up with the Bears to practice up there,

2703
02:28:11,440 --> 02:28:13,960
Speaker 1: and it was interesting, two things. Two things stuck out

2704
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:18,240
Speaker 1: to me in that thing was Chris. Chris was a

2705
02:28:18,280 --> 02:28:21,480
Speaker 1: looper on a t stunt and Kyle has to pass

2706
02:28:21,560 --> 02:28:24,720
Speaker 1: off the tackle and he comes back and he's probably

2707
02:28:24,879 --> 02:28:28,480
Speaker 1: half a step behind, but punches Chris in the ribs

2708
02:28:28,480 --> 02:28:30,600
Speaker 1: and fractures his rips, breaks his rips.

2709
02:28:30,400 --> 02:28:32,360
Speaker 2: And then joint practice and remember that.

2710
02:28:32,480 --> 02:28:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I see Bill after the game, and I'm

2711
02:28:36,760 --> 02:28:41,440
Speaker 1: very respectful of Bill, you know. Uh, I don't I

2712
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:43,840
Speaker 1: think I call him Bill. I don't call him coach.

2713
02:28:43,879 --> 02:28:44,920
Speaker 1: I might have called him coach.

2714
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:46,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

2715
02:28:46,680 --> 02:28:49,640
Speaker 1: It's kind of a hard kind of transition for me,

2716
02:28:50,600 --> 02:28:54,400
Speaker 1: you know. And I said to me, said, he said, hey,

2717
02:28:54,400 --> 02:28:57,240
Speaker 1: you're you know, we talked about Chris for a second.

2718
02:28:57,320 --> 02:29:00,440
Speaker 1: He said, hey, your boy your other boys said, yeah,

2719
02:29:00,520 --> 02:29:05,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't he's figuring things out, he said, and he

2720
02:29:05,320 --> 02:29:07,959
Speaker 1: kind of did you know, Bill ponder something for about

2721
02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:11,400
Speaker 1: four three four seconds and he said he might be.

2722
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:16,760
Speaker 1: He's the best garden football And you know, coming from

2723
02:29:16,840 --> 02:29:21,080
Speaker 1: Bill who doesn't throw roses, you know, he's not giving

2724
02:29:21,080 --> 02:29:22,680
Speaker 1: the flowers out, you know a lot.

2725
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:26,119
Speaker 2: It was. That's a big deal. That's a huge deal.

2726
02:29:26,400 --> 02:29:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how good Kyle Kyle was.

2727
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:33,000
Speaker 1: I was healthy, he was, you know, one thing after

2728
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:37,279
Speaker 1: another was like the nex fusion, shoulder, elbow, his ankle,

2729
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, tendon popped out. He you know, so there

2730
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:43,840
Speaker 1: were things that piled up on him. But if he

2731
02:29:43,840 --> 02:29:46,880
Speaker 1: could have stayed healthy, we're having a different conversation.

2732
02:29:48,400 --> 02:29:50,000
Speaker 2: He did. I mean, he did damn well.

2733
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:53,160
Speaker 1: He made great you know, but you know, I'm saying

2734
02:29:53,959 --> 02:29:57,000
Speaker 1: he was on the trajectory to be without a doubt. Yeah,

2735
02:29:57,040 --> 02:29:59,760
Speaker 1: he was like the logan Mankins, you know that kind

2736
02:29:59,800 --> 02:30:04,520
Speaker 1: of yeah, stout just small people logan.

2737
02:30:05,879 --> 02:30:10,000
Speaker 2: That dude. He was. He was the coolest teammate I.

2738
02:30:09,879 --> 02:30:13,520
Speaker 1: Saw him in Boise at a bowl game when he

2739
02:30:13,560 --> 02:30:17,800
Speaker 1: played left tackle in college, and I'm saying, who in

2740
02:30:17,959 --> 02:30:21,080
Speaker 1: God's name is that guy from Boise playing left tackle?

2741
02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:23,879
Speaker 1: I'm watching the game, and you know, your eyes, your

2742
02:30:23,879 --> 02:30:26,320
Speaker 1: eyes go to players, you know, you walk on the

2743
02:30:26,320 --> 02:30:28,200
Speaker 1: field and I know who the two three guys are,

2744
02:30:28,840 --> 02:30:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you just whether it's Pop Warner

2745
02:30:30,800 --> 02:30:33,760
Speaker 1: or high school or college or pro, you just your

2746
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:36,640
Speaker 1: eyes are drawn. And my eyes went right to Logo Mangans.

2747
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:42,000
Speaker 2: He was the nastiest man. I'm just talking pure like

2748
02:30:43,440 --> 02:30:45,600
Speaker 2: punch you in the face kind of boy. He's like

2749
02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:50,600
Speaker 2: a cowboy. He's a cowboys but like off the field quiet,

2750
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:52,240
Speaker 2: where's car hard back?

2751
02:30:52,360 --> 02:30:54,520
Speaker 1: Once I met him once, he you know, he walked

2752
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:56,640
Speaker 1: up and said he loo and said it was good

2753
02:30:56,680 --> 02:30:59,080
Speaker 1: to finally meet you. Because I would talk about him

2754
02:30:59,560 --> 02:31:01,800
Speaker 1: a lot on TV because I liked him. You know,

2755
02:31:01,959 --> 02:31:04,400
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I had great respect for.

2756
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:06,640
Speaker 2: He bought a bunch of land and you know, right

2757
02:31:06,680 --> 02:31:09,360
Speaker 2: outside of Foxborough and he just farms it. That's all.

2758
02:31:09,560 --> 02:31:11,600
Speaker 2: He like, wakes up at four in the morning and

2759
02:31:11,640 --> 02:31:12,640
Speaker 2: he farms this land.

2760
02:31:13,959 --> 02:31:18,160
Speaker 1: You know, Uh, everyone's got their own thing. That's that's

2761
02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:20,480
Speaker 1: log I just want to be able to say if

2762
02:31:20,520 --> 02:31:22,039
Speaker 1: I if I own a house, I have to be

2763
02:31:22,040 --> 02:31:23,480
Speaker 1: able to sit on the porch and my box of

2764
02:31:23,560 --> 02:31:27,560
Speaker 1: shorts and not be seen. Yeah, you know, so all

2765
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:30,040
Speaker 1: my houses are I can do that.

2766
02:31:30,520 --> 02:31:34,360
Speaker 2: Well, maybe one day I'll get to sit. I got

2767
02:31:34,400 --> 02:31:35,360
Speaker 2: to come check you guys out.

2768
02:31:35,400 --> 02:31:37,720
Speaker 1: I got to come up to Montana. He's God's country.

2769
02:31:38,040 --> 02:31:39,800
Speaker 1: I know it is God's country.

2770
02:31:39,879 --> 02:31:42,440
Speaker 5: Before we wrap up real quick, you mentioned players of

2771
02:31:42,480 --> 02:31:45,240
Speaker 5: your eyes just gravitate towards you played with Bo Jackson.

2772
02:31:47,120 --> 02:31:48,800
Speaker 2: What's it like being on the field with him?

2773
02:31:49,120 --> 02:31:51,640
Speaker 1: You know, God spent a little bit more time than

2774
02:31:51,720 --> 02:31:54,840
Speaker 1: just putting his hand on somebody's shoulders there and saying

2775
02:31:54,879 --> 02:31:58,720
Speaker 1: you're gifted. He came out of a different a different

2776
02:31:58,920 --> 02:31:59,840
Speaker 1: kind of conveyor.

2777
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:07,400
Speaker 2: Jeez, Bo was listen.

2778
02:32:08,120 --> 02:32:11,240
Speaker 1: I remember sitting behind the offense first week he was there,

2779
02:32:12,120 --> 02:32:14,760
Speaker 1: in a team period on offense. I'd sit there on

2780
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:18,560
Speaker 1: my helmet behind the offense and I'd watch. I'd watch,

2781
02:32:18,640 --> 02:32:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, I always like formations, and yeah, you know,

2782
02:32:22,840 --> 02:32:25,120
Speaker 1: it was of no consequence to me because we're not

2783
02:32:25,160 --> 02:32:31,240
Speaker 1: playing against ourselves. But they pitch him the ball and

2784
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:34,240
Speaker 1: it was just asynthighs this high off the ground and

2785
02:32:34,840 --> 02:32:38,440
Speaker 1: he's running faster than everyone. He ran like a four

2786
02:32:38,440 --> 02:32:39,080
Speaker 1: to one nine.

2787
02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:41,199
Speaker 2: I think he's ran faster than everyone.

2788
02:32:41,320 --> 02:32:44,200
Speaker 1: He ran faster than everyone. He was two thirty and

2789
02:32:44,959 --> 02:32:48,039
Speaker 1: could eat a cheeseburger and never go in the weight room.

2790
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:50,480
Speaker 1: And there are a few guys you could lock in

2791
02:32:50,520 --> 02:32:55,040
Speaker 1: a room for three months and they could come out

2792
02:32:55,959 --> 02:33:01,320
Speaker 1: and be great. Barry Sanders, Dion Sanders, Bo and maybe

2793
02:33:01,360 --> 02:33:05,440
Speaker 1: a couple other guys. You know, uh Bo was. He

2794
02:33:05,560 --> 02:33:10,520
Speaker 1: was truly of a shooting star. It was like playing

2795
02:33:10,520 --> 02:33:13,240
Speaker 1: with Elvis. You know, you had to go in the

2796
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:16,400
Speaker 1: back of the hotel. They had to you know, there

2797
02:33:16,400 --> 02:33:18,400
Speaker 1: were there were things that you had to do as

2798
02:33:18,440 --> 02:33:21,840
Speaker 1: an organization because he was so big. He'd be imagine

2799
02:33:21,879 --> 02:33:25,440
Speaker 1: him today, yea be so big. Yeah, a great guy.

2800
02:33:25,600 --> 02:33:28,120
Speaker 1: He called me just a couple of weeks ago. We

2801
02:33:28,160 --> 02:33:31,720
Speaker 1: had a death in one of the families and he

2802
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:34,520
Speaker 1: wanted to let me know. He's a good guy.

2803
02:33:34,680 --> 02:33:37,520
Speaker 2: I love bo. Bo knows bo I wrote the Ford

2804
02:33:37,560 --> 02:33:44,160
Speaker 2: in his book. Man, that's dope, Howie. I appreciate you

2805
02:33:44,200 --> 02:33:46,200
Speaker 2: so much for coming and taking the time.

2806
02:33:46,680 --> 02:33:49,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. This is been a nice spot

2807
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:52,040
Speaker 1: up here. You've got good people working with you. There's

2808
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:53,600
Speaker 1: nobody I want to slap on the way out.

2809
02:33:53,680 --> 02:33:59,320
Speaker 2: You know, a successful day for us, then thank you,

2810
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:06,320
Speaker 2: Ali Man legend, legend. I feel like I have my

2811
02:34:06,400 --> 02:34:09,720
Speaker 2: dad in I feel like ad like my dad's around

2812
02:34:09,720 --> 02:34:12,240
Speaker 2: on how we I had so many more like jokey

2813
02:34:12,360 --> 02:34:14,640
Speaker 2: questions to ask him. Didn't want to ask him. I

2814
02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:16,160
Speaker 2: didn't want to let how He down in the least

2815
02:34:16,360 --> 02:34:19,360
Speaker 2: I did clam up on one of them. I didn't

2816
02:34:19,400 --> 02:34:21,640
Speaker 2: want to ask him. I don't want to disappoint him.

2817
02:34:21,959 --> 02:34:23,879
Speaker 3: I was wishing somebody would pull up so we could have.

2818
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:28,720
Speaker 2: Fucked them up. If someone pulled I felt the safest

2819
02:34:28,760 --> 02:34:30,400
Speaker 2: I've seen I felt in this.

2820
02:34:30,360 --> 02:34:36,880
Speaker 3: House with a threat certified not a threat, not clear.

2821
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:38,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna make a T shirt for a jack not

2822
02:34:38,760 --> 02:34:42,840
Speaker 2: a threat, a threat not a threat. The arrow.

2823
02:34:46,400 --> 02:34:48,160
Speaker 3: Man, Hey, I would take a bullet for Howie though,

2824
02:34:48,959 --> 02:34:51,560
Speaker 3: I'll I'll do whatever it takes. You jump in front

2825
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:54,040
Speaker 3: of Bush for sure for how we are all day,

2826
02:34:54,680 --> 02:34:56,840
Speaker 3: mister Lung, Mister Lung, I didn't see. I don't don't

2827
02:34:56,840 --> 02:34:58,280
Speaker 3: think I slipped up inside of Howie in there.

2828
02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:03,520
Speaker 2: I started thinking of about it. No, I think you

2829
02:35:03,560 --> 02:35:07,680
Speaker 2: can you guys, teammates I know, but it's what's crazy.

2830
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:09,520
Speaker 2: You know the guy that gets some dip, Now that's me.

2831
02:35:11,120 --> 02:35:11,560
Speaker 2: I get him.

2832
02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:13,520
Speaker 3: What are you a crack dealer?

2833
02:35:15,520 --> 02:35:18,200
Speaker 2: Are you a crack dealer? It's crazy that I didn't

2834
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:18,800
Speaker 2: even notice that.

2835
02:35:18,840 --> 02:35:20,760
Speaker 5: But like pretty much everyone on the Fox team has

2836
02:35:20,760 --> 02:35:23,240
Speaker 5: been on the same team, like their same football team.

2837
02:35:23,280 --> 02:35:25,200
Speaker 2: Like Howie went the Raiders Terry with. The only one

2838
02:35:25,280 --> 02:35:30,039
Speaker 2: is is Rob. He went to Tampa and both Jimmy,

2839
02:35:30,400 --> 02:35:33,840
Speaker 2: but Rob's kind of that. Rob doesn't seem Rob still

2840
02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:37,400
Speaker 2: yeah different, he's a Patriots different and he's a Patriot,

2841
02:35:37,440 --> 02:35:41,039
Speaker 2: but he's also transcendence. He went with Tom. Yeah, transcends.

2842
02:35:41,080 --> 02:35:42,680
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, mister Long came and fitted.

2843
02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:43,199
Speaker 3: He was fitted.

2844
02:35:43,280 --> 02:35:43,840
Speaker 2: He was fitted.

2845
02:35:43,879 --> 02:35:45,800
Speaker 3: He could wear the heck out of his cargo pants.

2846
02:35:46,360 --> 02:35:49,240
Speaker 2: Cargo pants and a cool jean jacket. Nice like cut

2847
02:35:49,240 --> 02:35:51,760
Speaker 2: of it. He looks great. I've never seen sketchers be

2848
02:35:51,800 --> 02:35:54,840
Speaker 2: swaggy before. Dude, Sketchers. I see those sketchers. He wears

2849
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:59,080
Speaker 2: Sketchers all the time at work. I'm like, are those vans.

2850
02:35:59,320 --> 02:36:00,800
Speaker 2: It's like, no, he's in new Sketchers.

2851
02:36:00,920 --> 02:36:02,680
Speaker 3: I've never seen that model. I figured they must be

2852
02:36:02,720 --> 02:36:06,360
Speaker 3: sketches given his deal, but I've never seen them sketch Mike,

2853
02:36:06,360 --> 02:36:08,640
Speaker 3: get in there, bro, like.

2854
02:36:08,560 --> 02:36:13,440
Speaker 2: I might get the indy. By the way, this he

2855
02:36:13,560 --> 02:36:15,039
Speaker 2: loves nuclear war movies.

2856
02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah he did.

2857
02:36:18,360 --> 02:36:21,680
Speaker 2: He reference three. He could have been Jack. He's one

2858
02:36:21,720 --> 02:36:24,560
Speaker 2: hundred percent Jack Reacher should be Howie Long.

2859
02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:27,920
Speaker 3: He's like he likes his movies like he likes himself

2860
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:29,320
Speaker 3: a weapon of mass destruction.

2861
02:36:30,480 --> 02:36:38,280
Speaker 2: Dude. He see he checking to see if he's still

2862
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm checking to see which.

2863
02:36:42,640 --> 02:36:46,400
Speaker 3: I love his his his broad spectrum of knowledge of

2864
02:36:46,760 --> 02:36:50,120
Speaker 3: you're referencing the firm and then you're referencing Mike Jones

2865
02:36:50,160 --> 02:36:52,080
Speaker 3: in the same episode what was Credible?

2866
02:36:52,200 --> 02:36:56,119
Speaker 2: And then also I can see Chris and Kyle just saying.

2867
02:36:57,800 --> 02:37:00,000
Speaker 3: He won three three oh eight zero zero five.

2868
02:37:00,360 --> 02:37:02,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, those two must have been a handful,

2869
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:04,640
Speaker 2: Like how he had to be like that with those

2870
02:37:04,640 --> 02:37:09,840
Speaker 2: two boys, Kyle, Chris. Chris is such a smart ass

2871
02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:13,040
Speaker 2: and Kyle is just crazy. He's just crazy. Yeah, I

2872
02:37:13,040 --> 02:37:15,039
Speaker 2: would have loved to get some more. And they're both

2873
02:37:15,080 --> 02:37:17,920
Speaker 2: like they're like both really smart guys, so they can

2874
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:19,640
Speaker 2: scheme the fuck out of their parents.

2875
02:37:19,640 --> 02:37:24,920
Speaker 3: Probably probably the same way. Oh my god, legendary shout

2876
02:37:24,920 --> 02:37:25,840
Speaker 3: out Chris.

2877
02:37:25,520 --> 02:37:28,400
Speaker 2: And green Light. We love those guys out over there.

2878
02:37:28,520 --> 02:37:31,400
Speaker 3: Green Light shout out Charlottesville, Virginia, all those guys. I

2879
02:37:31,440 --> 02:37:34,520
Speaker 3: wonder what how he landed in Virginia. I know he

2880
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:37,080
Speaker 3: said they picked Blake it's beautiful, a cool place, but

2881
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:38,119
Speaker 3: I wasn't asking that.

2882
02:37:38,400 --> 02:37:40,920
Speaker 2: I think it was it was just under the Macy

2883
02:37:40,959 --> 02:37:45,039
Speaker 2: Dixie close to an airport. Probably he's probably got all

2884
02:37:45,120 --> 02:37:47,879
Speaker 2: everything's mapped out to a tea with him. You know,

2885
02:37:47,959 --> 02:37:54,039
Speaker 2: he's got like well just that like or time schematics. Yeah,

2886
02:37:54,720 --> 02:37:56,480
Speaker 2: he probably has a rule where he has to live

2887
02:37:56,560 --> 02:37:58,119
Speaker 2: like forty five minutes from an airport.

2888
02:37:59,120 --> 02:38:01,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, he travels a you know what I mean when

2889
02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:03,959
Speaker 5: when you think of football, you think of like how

2890
02:38:04,120 --> 02:38:04,520
Speaker 5: long like.

2891
02:38:04,520 --> 02:38:06,520
Speaker 3: He is didn't get to ask about the neck roll,

2892
02:38:06,680 --> 02:38:08,240
Speaker 3: didn't get a neck roll, and didn't get a flat

2893
02:38:08,280 --> 02:38:08,800
Speaker 3: top question.

2894
02:38:09,000 --> 02:38:11,080
Speaker 2: He didn't get a flat top question, but everyone asked

2895
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:12,920
Speaker 2: him a flat top question. I think P M. T

2896
02:38:13,080 --> 02:38:15,000
Speaker 2: did that well. I mean we did get what Al

2897
02:38:15,040 --> 02:38:17,840
Speaker 2: Michael smells like or Al Davis smells like his own clones,

2898
02:38:17,879 --> 02:38:20,400
Speaker 2: his own Do you think he makes it like he

2899
02:38:20,480 --> 02:38:25,480
Speaker 2: had it like he.

2900
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:29,640
Speaker 3: He's like an alchemist. Yeah, he's in there, dude, Savage

2901
02:38:29,800 --> 02:38:33,760
Speaker 3: by Al Davis. We should cut like a like an

2902
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:36,800
Speaker 3: Al Davis commercials Wolves in the Desert.

2903
02:38:37,440 --> 02:38:39,480
Speaker 2: You know who would be in it? For our hunk?

2904
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:44,760
Speaker 2: How long? How long? Just wait? Just just one baby.

2905
02:38:44,800 --> 02:38:47,960
Speaker 3: He liked that we got a trademark that we should

2906
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:49,160
Speaker 3: hit up Tom Radio over.

2907
02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:50,640
Speaker 2: There, but we got to give him half the trademark.

2908
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get about.

2909
02:38:52,360 --> 02:38:55,120
Speaker 2: How Tom is. You know the Raiders.

2910
02:38:55,160 --> 02:38:57,880
Speaker 5: Tom peached the whole thing. What we don't be talking about,

2911
02:38:57,920 --> 02:39:00,680
Speaker 5: like the Tom was the Raiders now and d culture, and.

2912
02:39:00,959 --> 02:39:03,320
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about anything. I just got I got

2913
02:39:03,320 --> 02:39:07,880
Speaker 2: intimidated probably that come on the show. We have audience.

2914
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:10,000
Speaker 5: You know, we have probably fifty questions that don't get

2915
02:39:10,040 --> 02:39:12,320
Speaker 5: asked because there's so much information we'd want to hear

2916
02:39:12,320 --> 02:39:14,600
Speaker 5: from them, the amount of stories, the amount of experience

2917
02:39:14,600 --> 02:39:15,240
Speaker 5: they've had, Like.

2918
02:39:15,360 --> 02:39:18,720
Speaker 2: We always I didn't want to ask him a question

2919
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:20,320
Speaker 2: that to make him like, all right, I'm the.

2920
02:39:20,240 --> 02:39:22,039
Speaker 3: Cutting room floors, questions up to our ankles.

2921
02:39:22,120 --> 02:39:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, which he would never do that. No, No, he

2922
02:39:24,400 --> 02:39:26,520
Speaker 2: would never do that, but I would never put him

2923
02:39:26,560 --> 02:39:29,280
Speaker 2: in a position to do it. We played that, well,

2924
02:39:29,800 --> 02:39:32,920
Speaker 2: that was great. I like that. It's a it's an

2925
02:39:32,920 --> 02:39:36,720
Speaker 2: elevator guest, a Hall of Famer in the Nuthhouse. I

2926
02:39:36,720 --> 02:39:36,920
Speaker 2: love it.

2927
02:39:39,000 --> 02:39:44,120
Speaker 7: No Ritchie incognito, Richie Max, first Legacy Raider, first leg

2928
02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:48,120
Speaker 7: first old School Raider, first old School super Bowl Champion Raider,

2929
02:39:48,280 --> 02:39:51,000
Speaker 7: first Super Bowl Champion raider, first smoking cigarettes, and the

2930
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:51,760
Speaker 7: locker room raider.

2931
02:39:52,400 --> 02:39:53,360
Speaker 2: I don't think he did it.

2932
02:39:53,440 --> 02:39:56,440
Speaker 3: He did not, No, no, no, man, man, that was

2933
02:39:56,640 --> 02:39:58,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna be doing an Ala.

2934
02:39:58,200 --> 02:39:59,840
Speaker 2: Davis all day today, for the rest of the day.

2935
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:02,360
Speaker 2: Could you imagine those guys at twenty six years old,

2936
02:40:02,400 --> 02:40:06,560
Speaker 2: twenty seven, twenty eight, how big and like just fucking

2937
02:40:08,959 --> 02:40:11,800
Speaker 2: bro cool they were. Oh my gosh, we were bro cool.

2938
02:40:11,840 --> 02:40:14,400
Speaker 2: I bet we were. We were sitting sleet late. I

2939
02:40:14,440 --> 02:40:16,560
Speaker 2: bet you in the weight room, their fucking attire was

2940
02:40:16,600 --> 02:40:20,560
Speaker 2: so sick, like fucking just crop top gen or crop

2941
02:40:20,600 --> 02:40:25,560
Speaker 2: top shirts. Fucking like just straight program shit, rusty old weights.

2942
02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:28,440
Speaker 3: Somehow the seventy five pounds weighs more than the seventy

2943
02:40:28,440 --> 02:40:31,840
Speaker 3: five pounds today, like just rusty and heavier and grittier.

2944
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:35,879
Speaker 2: Probably some shitty ass coffee in there, some thick coffee,

2945
02:40:35,959 --> 02:40:36,680
Speaker 2: some instant joint.

2946
02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sick by the airport, he said, practice coming

2947
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:43,840
Speaker 3: over to the whole hot drinks it.

2948
02:40:45,560 --> 02:40:48,680
Speaker 2: Rig guys smoking cigarettes. So we're in the fucking training room.

2949
02:40:48,760 --> 02:40:51,680
Speaker 3: What a team and preparing for this episode watching the

2950
02:40:51,760 --> 02:40:55,640
Speaker 3: NFL films, Like you need NFL films and the Raiders.

2951
02:40:55,600 --> 02:40:57,360
Speaker 2: You gotta they go hand in hand. It was just

2952
02:40:57,440 --> 02:41:00,520
Speaker 2: fill film football. That was that's some real cool footage.

2953
02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:04,360
Speaker 2: NFL films. They've they've been around table a long time.

2954
02:41:04,680 --> 02:41:09,880
Speaker 2: Yes they do. They So that's a different company or

2955
02:41:09,879 --> 02:41:10,720
Speaker 2: the NFL owns it.

2956
02:41:11,160 --> 02:41:14,720
Speaker 5: NFL Films, from my understanding, was its own adjacent company.

2957
02:41:15,080 --> 02:41:18,400
Speaker 5: I do believe it's under the NFL purview now as

2958
02:41:18,400 --> 02:41:19,599
Speaker 5: well as potentially.

2959
02:41:19,320 --> 02:41:20,959
Speaker 2: But it's still like a Jordan thing, you know, like

2960
02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:23,520
Speaker 2: Jordan and Nike, where it's like carved out for sure,

2961
02:41:23,800 --> 02:41:24,320
Speaker 2: like Jordan's.

2962
02:41:24,320 --> 02:41:26,920
Speaker 5: I mean, our cold open is literally inspired by an

2963
02:41:26,959 --> 02:41:30,080
Speaker 5: autumn wind is a raider that that little sequence the music.

2964
02:41:29,800 --> 02:41:30,000
Speaker 2: And that.

2965
02:41:41,800 --> 02:41:45,520
Speaker 3: The autumn wind is a raider pillage and you look

2966
02:41:45,560 --> 02:41:46,680
Speaker 3: at the big one.

2967
02:41:48,920 --> 02:41:51,480
Speaker 2: Seventy five, all right, what is this? Uh So we're

2968
02:41:51,480 --> 02:41:55,080
Speaker 2: gonna try a little something new, something a segment.

2969
02:41:57,600 --> 02:42:00,520
Speaker 3: Watching I've been I've been I've been watching my my

2970
02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:04,520
Speaker 3: Andy Cohen been hearkening back to the old Jay Leno

2971
02:42:04,680 --> 02:42:07,720
Speaker 3: days of you got to brand these segments a headline

2972
02:42:07,720 --> 02:42:11,320
Speaker 3: for you. J Jay walks, but we do Jack asks.

2973
02:42:11,640 --> 02:42:15,480
Speaker 3: Jack's asks kind of like Jackass, but Jack asks, Yeah,

2974
02:42:15,520 --> 02:42:16,240
Speaker 3: what do we think of that?

2975
02:42:16,920 --> 02:42:18,760
Speaker 2: Just tell us about jackasses a little bit.

2976
02:42:18,879 --> 02:42:21,720
Speaker 3: I don't don't don't let juwel see these questions. This

2977
02:42:21,800 --> 02:42:24,680
Speaker 3: is we get a lot of call. We love hearing

2978
02:42:24,720 --> 02:42:29,360
Speaker 3: from the fans. We love hitting the hotline, and we

2979
02:42:29,360 --> 02:42:31,920
Speaker 3: we like those off the wall questions. We like those

2980
02:42:31,920 --> 02:42:32,960
Speaker 3: out of left fielders.

2981
02:42:33,360 --> 02:42:34,640
Speaker 2: We like the would you rathers?

2982
02:42:35,000 --> 02:42:37,400
Speaker 3: Something kind of makes you think since with you all

2983
02:42:37,480 --> 02:42:39,960
Speaker 3: day puts you on the spot, so to speak, not

2984
02:42:40,080 --> 02:42:42,480
Speaker 3: quite the hot seat, but a little warm like WHOA

2985
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:43,400
Speaker 3: didn't think of that?

2986
02:42:44,200 --> 02:42:47,760
Speaker 2: Feel like when you press the heat seater on just

2987
02:42:47,840 --> 02:42:49,840
Speaker 2: one dot instead of three against three dots.

2988
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:52,520
Speaker 3: Yes, we're one dot, we're one dot, one dot in it. Well,

2989
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:54,440
Speaker 3: maybe work our way up to three, but we're not

2990
02:42:54,440 --> 02:42:56,440
Speaker 3: there yet. It's only December. We don't need it all right.

2991
02:42:56,440 --> 02:42:59,040
Speaker 2: Let's get let's actually do this segment. You can do

2992
02:42:59,120 --> 02:42:59,560
Speaker 2: the segment.

2993
02:42:59,720 --> 02:43:02,920
Speaker 3: These are questions that they it's a little bit telling.

2994
02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:05,440
Speaker 3: You can tell a lot about someone through these jewels

2995
02:43:05,560 --> 02:43:07,199
Speaker 3: without further Ado. Are you ready?

2996
02:43:07,240 --> 02:43:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm ready? All right.

2997
02:43:09,000 --> 02:43:11,760
Speaker 3: First on our list, we're in the last latter part

2998
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:16,879
Speaker 3: of the NFL season. What's next on your vacation destination list?

2999
02:43:17,400 --> 02:43:20,320
Speaker 3: My my vacation off season vaka.

3000
02:43:20,520 --> 02:43:21,640
Speaker 2: I want to go to Japan.

3001
02:43:22,600 --> 02:43:24,039
Speaker 3: I had a feeling that was going to be in there.

3002
02:43:24,560 --> 02:43:28,360
Speaker 2: I want to go to Japan so bad. I want

3003
02:43:28,360 --> 02:43:34,959
Speaker 2: to go to Tokyo, Kyota, Kobe, Soca Socca. My dad went

3004
02:43:34,959 --> 02:43:37,320
Speaker 2: there when he was when he was young and with

3005
02:43:37,360 --> 02:43:40,879
Speaker 2: the commands, man, I like that. I want to check

3006
02:43:40,920 --> 02:43:46,080
Speaker 2: that out. I think I'm gonna go to where. Am

3007
02:43:46,080 --> 02:43:47,920
Speaker 2: I going to Whistler? That's right?

3008
02:43:47,959 --> 02:43:50,000
Speaker 3: You and Rob right, we're gonna go to Whistler Ski

3009
02:43:50,200 --> 02:43:56,240
Speaker 3: That's gonna be awesome, or else snowboard your border.

3010
02:43:57,560 --> 02:43:59,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I need to get to Europe.

3011
02:43:59,280 --> 02:44:02,000
Speaker 2: I haven't been to Europe. I haven't I need I

3012
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:04,120
Speaker 2: don't travel that all. I need to travel like it's

3013
02:44:04,400 --> 02:44:08,560
Speaker 2: internationally more. I haven't been out of the States other

3014
02:44:08,640 --> 02:44:12,760
Speaker 2: than like South America. I went to Brazil. Actually I have.

3015
02:44:13,200 --> 02:44:15,720
Speaker 2: I've traveled recent but I want to get back to Europe.

3016
02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:17,720
Speaker 2: There's so many places in Europe I've never been. I've

3017
02:44:17,720 --> 02:44:20,240
Speaker 2: never been to the Asias. I want to go to

3018
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:22,039
Speaker 2: a bunch of Asian countries. I want to go to,

3019
02:44:22,120 --> 02:44:24,520
Speaker 2: like I would love to see like China, Like I

3020
02:44:24,560 --> 02:44:26,520
Speaker 2: want to see the Great Wall of China. Yeah, that'd

3021
02:44:26,560 --> 02:44:28,720
Speaker 2: be fucking crazy. And there's a lot of like we

3022
02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:31,080
Speaker 2: don't know anything about China, Like you don't ever hear

3023
02:44:31,120 --> 02:44:34,200
Speaker 2: about it. But you know, my Don Yee, he always

3024
02:44:34,200 --> 02:44:36,240
Speaker 2: talks about how cool it is over there, And I

3025
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:38,880
Speaker 2: would want to go with like a local like him. Yeah.

3026
02:44:38,879 --> 02:44:40,640
Speaker 2: But also I want to go to like Thailand. I

3027
02:44:40,680 --> 02:44:43,680
Speaker 2: want to go to you know, Japan. I want to

3028
02:44:43,720 --> 02:44:47,720
Speaker 2: go to Seoul, Korea, South Korea. That'll be tight, you know.

3029
02:44:48,280 --> 02:44:53,240
Speaker 2: I think it'd be really great inspo. I like that vibe. Yeah,

3030
02:44:53,320 --> 02:44:55,879
Speaker 2: something about you Jack, where you going? Oh man?

3031
02:44:57,480 --> 02:44:59,680
Speaker 3: I also my boys trying to get me in March

3032
02:45:00,320 --> 02:45:01,400
Speaker 3: to do a japan but.

3033
02:45:01,360 --> 02:45:03,240
Speaker 2: A golf trip. He's got it.

3034
02:45:03,320 --> 02:45:05,240
Speaker 3: He's got his eye on these sort of they got

3035
02:45:05,240 --> 02:45:08,280
Speaker 3: these trips by like golf packages do like a Japanese

3036
02:45:08,280 --> 02:45:08,720
Speaker 3: golf trip.

3037
02:45:08,800 --> 02:45:10,640
Speaker 2: Isn't it snowy still there? I don't know.

3038
02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:12,840
Speaker 3: I haven't looked into it too much. I'm a little

3039
02:45:12,879 --> 02:45:17,520
Speaker 3: like it's still a little foreign to me everything about it. No,

3040
02:45:17,520 --> 02:45:20,400
Speaker 3: no pun intended. I would like to get back to uh.

3041
02:45:20,920 --> 02:45:23,320
Speaker 3: Every every three to four months, I get a New

3042
02:45:23,400 --> 02:45:27,240
Speaker 3: York hitch. I got to get back to New York.

3043
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:33,160
Speaker 3: It's not very much nothing sexy there. Okay, yeah, that's

3044
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:36,920
Speaker 3: a different story for a different day. I would like

3045
02:45:36,920 --> 02:45:39,280
Speaker 3: to get to Europe. I've only really ever been to uh,

3046
02:45:39,480 --> 02:45:42,879
Speaker 3: only ever been to uh London. I'd like to like

3047
02:45:42,920 --> 02:45:45,520
Speaker 3: to hit a Paris maybe, Uh, you've been to Paris

3048
02:45:45,600 --> 02:45:49,760
Speaker 3: only never been? Only been in London, never been. I

3049
02:45:49,760 --> 02:45:51,800
Speaker 3: want to go to I want to go to Europe deeper.

3050
02:45:52,680 --> 02:45:55,280
Speaker 3: Would you show me around? I don't know that well,

3051
02:45:55,400 --> 02:45:57,400
Speaker 3: I know, but we go together, Yeah, we go. Yeah,

3052
02:45:57,560 --> 02:45:58,560
Speaker 3: I'm a good travel comittian.

3053
02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:02,240
Speaker 2: I had to cancel because we launched Dudes on Dudes.

3054
02:46:02,920 --> 02:46:04,600
Speaker 2: I still eating shift from that for my wife.

3055
02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:10,640
Speaker 3: Hey, you got Hawaii on the horizon. You're good. You're good, bro.

3056
02:46:11,560 --> 02:46:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah to Paris in the off season. I don't know.

3057
02:46:14,080 --> 02:46:15,880
Speaker 2: I want to go. Say all this, and you'll probably

3058
02:46:15,959 --> 02:46:17,879
Speaker 2: end upon going anywhere because I'll have to go do

3059
02:46:18,000 --> 02:46:20,800
Speaker 2: work ship or The only trouble I really do is

3060
02:46:20,840 --> 02:46:22,320
Speaker 2: for like, if I have to go to a city

3061
02:46:22,360 --> 02:46:24,680
Speaker 2: to do something, for work. Maybe Ireland next year.

3062
02:46:24,840 --> 02:46:29,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I would love to go to Ireland, to the Homeland. Shoot,

3063
02:46:29,959 --> 02:46:31,440
Speaker 3: we'll just kind of we'll just cut of games with

3064
02:46:31,520 --> 02:46:33,280
Speaker 3: names in the g.

3065
02:46:36,080 --> 02:46:37,480
Speaker 2: I was just mister Baseball.

3066
02:46:37,640 --> 02:46:42,280
Speaker 3: Let you a mister Baseball episode, all right? Next on

3067
02:46:42,280 --> 02:46:47,480
Speaker 3: our list, Jules go to gas station snack pulling over.

3068
02:46:47,560 --> 02:46:49,959
Speaker 3: You're driving the stang, you pull off for a little

3069
02:46:49,959 --> 02:46:51,880
Speaker 3: snacks anymore.

3070
02:46:53,000 --> 02:46:55,560
Speaker 2: I just get I'll get a coffee. I'll get a

3071
02:46:55,600 --> 02:47:02,440
Speaker 2: coffee either hot. I'll sometimes get half coffee if it's

3072
02:47:02,440 --> 02:47:04,280
Speaker 2: in the morning it's a little nippy out. But I'll

3073
02:47:04,360 --> 02:47:09,200
Speaker 2: take like a some kind of like cold brew of

3074
02:47:09,240 --> 02:47:13,800
Speaker 2: some sort like that. Get a get a tin, maybe

3075
02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:18,360
Speaker 2: a couple different bubble gums. Back in the day, I

3076
02:47:18,400 --> 02:47:19,280
Speaker 2: get like a corn nut.

3077
02:47:19,879 --> 02:47:22,720
Speaker 3: Oh your really, cornuts are underrated. Great gas stations neck

3078
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:27,800
Speaker 3: I would get like chips, chips, slushy slurpy slushy do

3079
02:47:28,200 --> 02:47:31,360
Speaker 3: all day, all day. I didn't realize.

3080
02:47:32,080 --> 02:47:35,600
Speaker 2: So and then then I went to Ohio and I

3081
02:47:35,640 --> 02:47:39,840
Speaker 2: was introduced to sheets. It's like, what this is. This

3082
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:45,120
Speaker 2: is a gas station experience. You get fucking hullo, paniol, poppers,

3083
02:47:46,040 --> 02:47:51,080
Speaker 2: beef jerky. It's a way of life. Yes, there's other

3084
02:47:51,080 --> 02:47:53,160
Speaker 2: ones like that around the country too. Yeah. I never

3085
02:47:53,160 --> 02:47:56,560
Speaker 2: be loves BUCkies. Yeah, those are some badass ship It's

3086
02:47:56,600 --> 02:47:59,360
Speaker 2: like it's an experience I remember, like I gotta go

3087
02:47:59,360 --> 02:48:03,840
Speaker 2: fill up my cart. It's a very Yeah, it's uniquely

3088
02:48:03,840 --> 02:48:07,520
Speaker 2: I'm pretty cheap yo. Yeah, they're great. Good. I got

3089
02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:09,400
Speaker 2: a lot going on there. You know, there's cool little

3090
02:48:09,840 --> 02:48:13,400
Speaker 2: like gas stations here. I remember the one gas station

3091
02:48:13,440 --> 02:48:16,960
Speaker 2: in Boston that had a Mexican restaurant in it, and uh,

3092
02:48:17,160 --> 02:48:19,960
Speaker 2: Beacon Hill. Yeah that's pretty good. But there's always a

3093
02:48:19,959 --> 02:48:23,440
Speaker 2: little Mexican spot in some gas stations when I'm driving

3094
02:48:23,480 --> 02:48:26,800
Speaker 2: to like the Lake or something that all fucking on

3095
02:48:27,000 --> 02:48:29,160
Speaker 2: triple D type spots. Get a little couple of car

3096
02:48:29,360 --> 02:48:34,200
Speaker 2: you know, give me some Cardie Carne. Probably gotta cut

3097
02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:38,400
Speaker 2: that out. It's some unleaded unleaded Yeah, all right. Next

3098
02:48:38,480 --> 02:48:41,000
Speaker 2: on the list, we talked to golf earlier. What's your

3099
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:46,039
Speaker 2: favorite club to hit in the bag these days? Favorite

3100
02:48:46,040 --> 02:48:48,760
Speaker 2: club to hit? What's feeling good? Zero? None of them

3101
02:48:48,800 --> 02:48:51,199
Speaker 2: right now. Nothing's feeling pure, not fear. I'm not feeling

3102
02:48:51,320 --> 02:48:55,800
Speaker 2: very pure right when it comes down to it. My

3103
02:48:55,920 --> 02:49:01,760
Speaker 2: seven Amen, me too, me too, even or odds iron guy.

3104
02:49:01,920 --> 02:49:02,879
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

3105
02:49:03,480 --> 02:49:05,960
Speaker 3: I'm a seven seven nine, so I'm odds yeah, seven

3106
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:07,840
Speaker 3: and nine or two of my yep.

3107
02:49:08,120 --> 02:49:14,400
Speaker 2: And I love my uh I love my uh my fifty.

3108
02:49:15,879 --> 02:49:20,119
Speaker 2: I like my fifty like night, like my one one

3109
02:49:20,120 --> 02:49:23,120
Speaker 2: and one ten, and in using my fifty, I feel

3110
02:49:23,160 --> 02:49:24,800
Speaker 2: like I'm pretty decent with that.

3111
02:49:25,360 --> 02:49:27,039
Speaker 3: I feel like we're doing for a more park outing years.

3112
02:49:27,080 --> 02:49:29,120
Speaker 2: Who know, my driver just sucks right now?

3113
02:49:29,320 --> 02:49:29,760
Speaker 3: Is all right?

3114
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:30,360
Speaker 2: We'll get there.

3115
02:49:31,120 --> 02:49:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, just nice and easy. Let the club do the work.

3116
02:49:34,120 --> 02:49:36,760
Speaker 2: You're good. It's more of like my slot. Fucking what's

3117
02:49:36,760 --> 02:49:39,520
Speaker 2: his name? Got in my goddamn head, Oh Ryan, Max

3118
02:49:39,560 --> 02:49:43,240
Speaker 2: Homer or what is oh h the video talk about

3119
02:49:43,280 --> 02:49:45,959
Speaker 2: my goddamn slot. So I go to my goddamn coach.

3120
02:49:46,000 --> 02:49:48,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, what's up my slot? What's up with

3121
02:49:48,440 --> 02:49:49,920
Speaker 2: my slot?

3122
02:49:50,120 --> 02:49:53,080
Speaker 3: You in the slot not being hand in hand? Is

3123
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:53,640
Speaker 3: teams wrong?

3124
02:49:53,680 --> 02:49:58,879
Speaker 2: I thought I Slotty Pippin fucking bullshit, freaking homahma, come on,

3125
02:49:59,080 --> 02:50:02,120
Speaker 2: Homa on the show. Yeah, come on the show. Give

3126
02:50:02,160 --> 02:50:05,960
Speaker 2: me a goddamn golf list. Come on, baby, I'm a

3127
02:50:06,080 --> 02:50:11,119
Speaker 2: damn dimple head here bro abg always be golfing.

3128
02:50:11,800 --> 02:50:14,400
Speaker 3: Next up on our list, Jules what's a show.

3129
02:50:14,240 --> 02:50:17,680
Speaker 2: Or a movie you've been rocking with lately? Been watching

3130
02:50:17,760 --> 02:50:21,560
Speaker 2: land Man, Oh, Billy Bob, Billy Bob Taylor's Sharon, I

3131
02:50:21,560 --> 02:50:23,720
Speaker 2: gotta get on that. I like it. I like Billy

3132
02:50:23,720 --> 02:50:26,640
Speaker 2: Bob Thorton's and I don't know, I don't know Texas

3133
02:50:26,680 --> 02:50:29,080
Speaker 2: stuff like that, like the Gas. You know, it's fun

3134
02:50:29,080 --> 02:50:31,240
Speaker 2: to watch those kind of things and see, like the

3135
02:50:31,240 --> 02:50:32,720
Speaker 2: Hollywood version of what they think of it.

3136
02:50:32,840 --> 02:50:34,320
Speaker 3: And Billy Bob's Taylor made for that kind.

3137
02:50:34,240 --> 02:50:41,360
Speaker 2: Of Taylor that. I also like Lioness. That's really good, dude,

3138
02:50:41,400 --> 02:50:45,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what I dropped it. I don't know.

3139
02:50:45,320 --> 02:50:47,840
Speaker 2: I watched Landman, I don't know who told me about Lameman,

3140
02:50:47,920 --> 02:50:50,720
Speaker 2: and then I saw someone talking about Lioness. Like these

3141
02:50:50,720 --> 02:50:53,600
Speaker 2: are two pretty good shows. I like Paramount's content me too.

3142
02:50:54,200 --> 02:50:56,680
Speaker 2: I like the t s EU. What else is there

3143
02:50:56,720 --> 02:51:00,360
Speaker 2: out right now? What are you watching? I'm watching?

3144
02:51:00,480 --> 02:51:02,640
Speaker 3: I'm watching Shrinking here and there a little bit getting

3145
02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:05,760
Speaker 3: in there, got good stuff. I need to get into

3146
02:51:05,840 --> 02:51:10,720
Speaker 3: land Man, catching up on my blow deck. I want

3147
02:51:10,720 --> 02:51:13,680
Speaker 3: to watch that new Salt Lake City selling salt Lake

3148
02:51:14,440 --> 02:51:18,959
Speaker 3: on Bravo. Southern Charms back, Baby, you know, I'm deep in.

3149
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:20,680
Speaker 2: That don't even know what that is.

3150
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:25,800
Speaker 3: It's great stuff, really good stuff. What else am I

3151
02:51:25,879 --> 02:51:26,360
Speaker 3: rocking with?

3152
02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:27,640
Speaker 2: I like this.

3153
02:51:27,879 --> 02:51:31,240
Speaker 3: I like Universal, Basic Guys, animation, domination, but we need

3154
02:51:31,240 --> 02:51:33,119
Speaker 3: the Great North and we need family guy back.

3155
02:51:33,160 --> 02:51:35,200
Speaker 2: Come on now, I've been watching.

3156
02:51:36,040 --> 02:51:38,600
Speaker 3: I watched some Christmas stuff recently. Actually, yeah, it has

3157
02:51:38,600 --> 02:51:39,480
Speaker 3: to come out movies.

3158
02:51:40,120 --> 02:51:42,760
Speaker 2: The thing is, it takes me forever to watch a

3159
02:51:42,840 --> 02:51:46,920
Speaker 2: show because I'll start watching my show when I put

3160
02:51:46,920 --> 02:51:53,080
Speaker 2: my kid down, and by that time, after being in

3161
02:51:53,120 --> 02:51:56,720
Speaker 2: the car three hours the whole day going to soccer practice,

3162
02:51:56,760 --> 02:52:00,640
Speaker 2: fucking tutor this that it's like full time thing. I'm done.

3163
02:52:00,879 --> 02:52:03,000
Speaker 2: I can never pay attention and I have the tension span.

3164
02:52:03,080 --> 02:52:05,040
Speaker 2: So I'm like what, I throw all on my show

3165
02:52:05,480 --> 02:52:07,560
Speaker 2: after day and I throw it on a It takes

3166
02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:10,039
Speaker 2: me to watch a forty five minute show takes me

3167
02:52:10,160 --> 02:52:10,880
Speaker 2: like four nights.

3168
02:52:10,920 --> 02:52:14,920
Speaker 3: I'm with you, bro, long days man. Yeah, this Nutcrackers.

3169
02:52:14,920 --> 02:52:15,840
Speaker 3: There's new Ben Stealer one.

3170
02:52:15,879 --> 02:52:16,200
Speaker 2: I liked it.

3171
02:52:16,120 --> 02:52:18,879
Speaker 3: It was really it's a Ben Stealer a Christmas movie.

3172
02:52:18,959 --> 02:52:21,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I want to see it. You gotta watch it.

3173
02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:24,680
Speaker 3: It's really good watch with Lily Kid. It's in the middle,

3174
02:52:24,720 --> 02:52:25,360
Speaker 3: it's right in the middle.

3175
02:52:25,400 --> 02:52:27,400
Speaker 2: He's eight now, so she's pretty much adult.

3176
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:29,720
Speaker 3: It's right in the middle. It was Danny McBride. Those

3177
02:52:29,720 --> 02:52:30,480
Speaker 3: guys are behind it too.

3178
02:52:30,560 --> 02:52:32,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know if she's ready. It's good.

3179
02:52:33,560 --> 02:52:39,200
Speaker 2: It's like, it's good. He's eight. You're gonna throw like

3180
02:52:39,240 --> 02:52:41,320
Speaker 2: there's likely dongs and stuff in this.

3181
02:52:41,520 --> 02:52:44,520
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no a soft no, it is not there.

3182
02:52:44,560 --> 02:52:48,199
Speaker 3: It's this isn't This isn't Gemstones. This is family friendly

3183
02:52:48,320 --> 02:52:52,280
Speaker 3: ish ish. You gotta would frankly you watch what do

3184
02:52:52,280 --> 02:52:52,800
Speaker 3: you let you watch?

3185
02:52:52,800 --> 02:52:54,680
Speaker 2: Like our stuff? When you're let me they let me

3186
02:52:54,720 --> 02:52:57,880
Speaker 2: watch anything. I older brother though, same, oh seven years older.

3187
02:52:58,280 --> 02:53:02,240
Speaker 2: It's watching Rambo like three fucking Rocky.

3188
02:53:01,959 --> 02:53:04,760
Speaker 3: At one I was going to see like Borat when

3189
02:53:04,760 --> 02:53:10,039
Speaker 3: I was like eleven, Like, yeah, expose last one. This

3190
02:53:10,120 --> 02:53:13,560
Speaker 3: is a This is kind of crazy, bro, no football

3191
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:16,120
Speaker 3: for a year or break a leg?

3192
02:53:18,800 --> 02:53:21,560
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Would so? Would you rather? Would

3193
02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:23,879
Speaker 2: you rather have no football for a year if you.

3194
02:53:23,879 --> 02:53:27,080
Speaker 3: Just can't watch you can't check scores, can't watch highlights.

3195
02:53:26,760 --> 02:53:29,120
Speaker 2: Or have a broken leg. I might like that or

3196
02:53:29,480 --> 02:53:34,720
Speaker 2: like break even no not watching football? Oh, I might

3197
02:53:34,959 --> 02:53:37,960
Speaker 2: love it. I may take not watching football for one

3198
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:40,240
Speaker 2: year because every time I watch the game, I just

3199
02:53:40,600 --> 02:53:44,480
Speaker 2: it's just constant flashbacks and like situational shit. You don't

3200
02:53:44,480 --> 02:53:46,879
Speaker 2: even enjoy it. I'm sitting there like, all right, I

3201
02:53:46,879 --> 02:53:50,720
Speaker 2: can talk about that. Oh that's fucking terrible. Oh sick

3202
02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:53,880
Speaker 2: play reminds me of this play back in this game.

3203
02:53:54,160 --> 02:53:55,920
Speaker 2: Like that's what's going through my mind when I'm watching

3204
02:53:55,959 --> 02:53:58,520
Speaker 2: these things. That's why when you guys see me watching it,

3205
02:53:58,680 --> 02:54:01,480
Speaker 2: like when we watch the the pre cuts and like

3206
02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:03,440
Speaker 2: we have a bunch of research for all the you know,

3207
02:54:03,640 --> 02:54:06,760
Speaker 2: our guests, I'll sit and I'll watch it and I'll

3208
02:54:06,760 --> 02:54:08,560
Speaker 2: tell everyone to shut up. I'm like, yo, I gotta

3209
02:54:09,160 --> 02:54:11,720
Speaker 2: one second, please, because I want to hear. I want

3210
02:54:11,760 --> 02:54:13,160
Speaker 2: to hear the contact. I want to hear what the

3211
02:54:13,160 --> 02:54:16,160
Speaker 2: announcers saying. I want to be involved. I'm so involved.

3212
02:54:16,160 --> 02:54:19,480
Speaker 2: I hate it, that's man. I kind of like, so

3213
02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:21,959
Speaker 2: this is not even a punishment. This might be the reward.

3214
02:54:22,480 --> 02:54:25,520
Speaker 2: People like no football, and I'm so sick of rehab.

3215
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm so sick of rehab. I will not fucking I'm

3216
02:54:29,400 --> 02:54:32,480
Speaker 2: That's why I get so scared about playing the pickleball

3217
02:54:32,959 --> 02:54:36,080
Speaker 2: and like explosive shit, I'm not trying to pull out

3218
02:54:36,120 --> 02:54:39,920
Speaker 2: an Achilles, and I've done so much physical therapy. I'm

3219
02:54:39,959 --> 02:54:43,400
Speaker 2: so sick of it. Where I could go and live

3220
02:54:43,440 --> 02:54:45,000
Speaker 2: a very happy life, I don't have to do that

3221
02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:46,600
Speaker 2: no more. But I have to go get my fucking

3222
02:54:46,600 --> 02:54:50,360
Speaker 2: shoulder fixed because it's it's hurt.

3223
02:54:51,080 --> 02:54:52,640
Speaker 3: I like to imagine you just go off the grid,

3224
02:54:52,680 --> 02:54:56,720
Speaker 3: travel Asia all football season, come back chief to one another,

3225
02:54:56,720 --> 02:54:59,080
Speaker 3: and you don't care, and you're just a new man.

3226
02:54:59,120 --> 02:55:02,400
Speaker 3: You're like you've you've traveled all over Asia. I would

3227
02:55:02,440 --> 02:55:06,760
Speaker 3: love all football season, don't even think about ball. Yes,

3228
02:55:06,920 --> 02:55:08,080
Speaker 3: that's why I'm envisioning.

3229
02:55:08,200 --> 02:55:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm envisioning. I think I need to go live with

3230
02:55:10,080 --> 02:55:15,560
Speaker 2: the criminals in China. You know you know how he

3231
02:55:15,600 --> 02:55:18,680
Speaker 2: did he not like not China being criminals, but like

3232
02:55:19,080 --> 02:55:24,040
Speaker 2: the bad people in China or not China. Where was he? Uh?

3233
02:55:24,360 --> 02:55:32,039
Speaker 2: Japan snowy and there's probably Samurai Samurai's Japan, but China still,

3234
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:35,840
Speaker 2: God damn big. It could be China. China is a

3235
02:55:35,920 --> 02:55:40,560
Speaker 2: huge country, continent thing, both in population and in land

3236
02:55:40,600 --> 02:55:43,600
Speaker 2: masks both. That's why I bet you there's so like

3237
02:55:43,640 --> 02:55:46,240
Speaker 2: because they don't really show their ship off. There's like

3238
02:55:47,320 --> 02:55:50,080
Speaker 2: I was watching in China. Getting back to the travel, shit.

3239
02:55:51,000 --> 02:55:54,480
Speaker 2: There wasn't isn't there like something discovered in China recently,

3240
02:55:54,560 --> 02:55:58,120
Speaker 2: Like archaeologists discovered some like crazy shit, but it's hard

3241
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:00,160
Speaker 2: to get any information out of it because China it

3242
02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:02,320
Speaker 2: doesn't allow any of the That's what I want to

3243
02:56:02,320 --> 02:56:05,120
Speaker 2: go see. I want to go see the the hidden

3244
02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:09,840
Speaker 2: shit because China. And it's also fascinating to me that

3245
02:56:09,920 --> 02:56:13,000
Speaker 2: like Asian culture is like the oldest culture in the world,

3246
02:56:13,080 --> 02:56:15,720
Speaker 2: and we didn't They've been around for thousands and thousands

3247
02:56:15,720 --> 02:56:18,040
Speaker 2: of years. We didn't get a ton of like Asian

3248
02:56:18,200 --> 02:56:22,720
Speaker 2: history no education either, which is like there are history

3249
02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:25,440
Speaker 2: is only like eight hundred years old, five hundred whatever,

3250
02:56:25,600 --> 02:56:28,480
Speaker 2: you know, since the sixteen hundred and seventeen hundred Europe

3251
02:56:28,480 --> 02:56:31,959
Speaker 2: goes back a couple China, bro, I want to see

3252
02:56:31,959 --> 02:56:33,560
Speaker 2: what those artifacts are looking like.

3253
02:56:33,720 --> 02:56:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm doing some digging here on these something artifacts.

3254
02:56:41,000 --> 02:56:44,840
Speaker 3: Ancient tomb discovery sheds new light on shine origins of

3255
02:56:44,920 --> 02:56:48,560
Speaker 3: Chinese civilizations. Over three hundred and fifty artifacts on Earth

3256
02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:51,560
Speaker 3: from a five thousand year old tomb is in the

3257
02:56:51,560 --> 02:56:52,560
Speaker 3: global times.

3258
02:56:52,360 --> 02:56:57,279
Speaker 2: Five thousand years man, Okay, that's before the pharaohs. That's

3259
02:56:58,400 --> 02:57:02,480
Speaker 2: no discovered in that Wang for a while. Maybe I

3260
02:57:02,520 --> 02:57:06,160
Speaker 2: was way off on that. Yeah, that's wild though there

3261
02:57:06,160 --> 02:57:10,360
Speaker 2: were some Egyptian pharaohs happening around that time, five thousand

3262
02:57:10,440 --> 02:57:18,240
Speaker 2: years ago. Yeah, but China's been there forever, did you know?

3263
02:57:18,560 --> 02:57:21,000
Speaker 8: I think there's something crazy and you huha on this,

3264
02:57:21,400 --> 02:57:28,840
Speaker 8: But the Africa's first Well, what's you galley Pinjai Pinjai?

3265
02:57:29,640 --> 02:57:31,560
Speaker 2: What is it the one where we were all one

3266
02:57:31,640 --> 02:57:36,000
Speaker 2: continent and then it broke up? Pane pinjea pine? Is

3267
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:41,320
Speaker 2: that real? Yeah? Play tectonics? So I have earthquakes Andrea's fault?

3268
02:57:42,240 --> 02:57:45,800
Speaker 2: So how many years does that take? One hundred millions? Millions? Yeah,

3269
02:57:45,959 --> 02:57:52,560
Speaker 2: millions millions? Yeah? No humans? Is it real? Yeah? Of course?

3270
02:57:52,680 --> 02:57:54,360
Speaker 2: Is that you can look look at fossils that are

3271
02:57:54,400 --> 02:57:56,400
Speaker 2: like well yeah, because that's why you have a lot

3272
02:57:56,440 --> 02:57:58,960
Speaker 2: of the same trees probably from Japan that you have

3273
02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:02,120
Speaker 2: in the Bay Area save Francisco, because it probably broke

3274
02:58:02,160 --> 02:58:05,480
Speaker 2: off plate tec. I love. I love that kind of

3275
02:58:05,480 --> 02:58:07,680
Speaker 2: stuff too. I like some Indiana Jones ship. That's why

3276
02:58:07,760 --> 02:58:08,480
Speaker 2: China would be sick.

3277
02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:12,760
Speaker 5: You talk about Sandre's fault too, Like southern California or

3278
02:58:12,800 --> 02:58:16,840
Speaker 5: western California is not on the same plate as eastern California.

3279
02:58:17,520 --> 02:58:20,600
Speaker 5: So like within thousands of years, millions of years, they'll

3280
02:58:20,600 --> 02:58:21,160
Speaker 5: be separated.

3281
02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:24,000
Speaker 2: That's probably a couple of hundred million years. I don't

3282
02:58:24,000 --> 02:58:27,119
Speaker 2: know the exact numbers, but well, we'll all be dead

3283
02:58:27,160 --> 02:58:30,199
Speaker 2: by the we'll all be dead. Well, that's another episode

3284
02:58:30,240 --> 02:58:33,440
Speaker 2: of games with things manology with.

3285
02:58:33,520 --> 02:58:36,080
Speaker 3: Names lates, techtonics.

3286
02:58:36,879 --> 02:58:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a six on the Richter scale.

3287
02:58:41,120 --> 02:58:45,440
Speaker 2: What a game that was happening. Howie Long, Howie freaking

3288
02:58:45,480 --> 02:58:48,280
Speaker 2: a long. How I just never want to disappoint him.

3289
02:58:48,600 --> 02:58:51,000
Speaker 3: Neither I was, and q's I don't think you did.

3290
02:58:51,680 --> 02:58:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but were we tight enough? Was our operation tight enough?

3291
02:58:55,840 --> 02:58:59,920
Speaker 2: I am pretty intuitive on guest vibes and he was down.

3292
02:59:00,760 --> 02:59:06,800
Speaker 2: Should you know I should got him, smoothie. I was

3293
02:59:06,800 --> 02:59:10,039
Speaker 2: hoping you'd give him I know. I didn't even get

3294
02:59:10,040 --> 02:59:11,840
Speaker 2: to tell him that story, but I didn't. I didn't

3295
02:59:11,879 --> 02:59:13,480
Speaker 2: know if he wanted that. I didn't want if he

3296
02:59:13,480 --> 02:59:16,119
Speaker 2: wanted that story out or to do it physically. Yeah,

3297
02:59:16,120 --> 02:59:18,960
Speaker 2: because I don't. Maybe he gave me a look where

3298
02:59:19,640 --> 02:59:24,959
Speaker 2: he breaked me with his eyes. I got a mid

3299
02:59:24,959 --> 02:59:26,520
Speaker 2: episode thankfully. He was just looking at my hat. I

3300
02:59:26,560 --> 02:59:28,840
Speaker 2: was like, oh fuck, Like what did I do? What

3301
02:59:28,879 --> 02:59:31,920
Speaker 2: did I do. A photographer came through like real quick.

3302
02:59:31,959 --> 02:59:36,240
Speaker 2: I saw him look for a second. Good just a photographer. Hey,

3303
02:59:36,280 --> 02:59:38,160
Speaker 2: what do you say? What did he tell Chris every

3304
02:59:38,280 --> 02:59:40,760
Speaker 2: every night before the game, keep your head on a

3305
02:59:40,760 --> 02:59:41,959
Speaker 2: fucking swivel.

3306
02:59:41,720 --> 02:59:45,000
Speaker 3: Don't hang around piles around you get.

3307
02:59:44,840 --> 02:59:48,520
Speaker 2: Hurt that way. It's true. Man, Thanks again to Howie.

3308
02:59:48,520 --> 02:59:54,480
Speaker 2: That was so fun, amazing legendary Raider and the Raiders.

3309
02:59:54,640 --> 02:59:56,360
Speaker 2: I mean without the Raiders, there's no NFL.

3310
02:59:56,640 --> 02:59:59,240
Speaker 5: A man, he's a Raider, but he also belongs to football,

3311
02:59:59,360 --> 03:00:02,160
Speaker 5: kind of like Randy Moss. Everyone could be a fan

3312
03:00:02,200 --> 03:00:03,480
Speaker 5: of how Long.

3313
03:00:05,000 --> 03:00:09,080
Speaker 2: Because he transcend, but that's because he's a Raider. Anywhere sketches,

3314
03:00:09,160 --> 03:00:10,640
Speaker 2: it's because he was a winning Raider.

3315
03:00:10,680 --> 03:00:12,600
Speaker 5: We were talking about like the Raiders. I was gonna

3316
03:00:12,640 --> 03:00:14,520
Speaker 5: time in, but I didn't like you're talking about like

3317
03:00:14,520 --> 03:00:16,840
Speaker 5: the Raiders for like a Southwestern team. I don't think

3318
03:00:16,920 --> 03:00:19,400
Speaker 5: the Raiders are tied to g geography. I think the

3319
03:00:19,480 --> 03:00:22,520
Speaker 5: Raiders are tied to like an identity, the like, like

3320
03:00:22,640 --> 03:00:25,039
Speaker 5: the hard nose whatever. It doesn't matter if they're in

3321
03:00:25,080 --> 03:00:27,600
Speaker 5: Oakland or if they're in Vegas or they're in Los Angeles.

3322
03:00:27,640 --> 03:00:30,080
Speaker 5: Being a Raider something that's not tied to where you are,

3323
03:00:30,120 --> 03:00:30,800
Speaker 5: it's how you are.

3324
03:00:30,879 --> 03:00:41,760
Speaker 2: It's a studio and that's been another episode of Games

3325
03:00:41,760 --> 03:00:44,760
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3326
03:00:44,840 --> 03:00:47,520
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3327
03:00:47,560 --> 03:00:51,039
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3330
03:00:59,800 --> 03:01:04,040
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3331
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03:01:08,680 --> 03:01:11,800
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