WEBVTT - Ep. 168: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - Plott Hounds, Bucking Horses, and Long Hunters

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Nukleman.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called

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<v Speaker 2>The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>presented by f h F Gear, American made purpose built

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<v Speaker 2>hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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<v Speaker 2>as the place.

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<v Speaker 1>As we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render.

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<v Speaker 2>I have We've got a great a great cast of

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<v Speaker 2>characters here today to talk about one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>bear grease podcasts in a long time. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to I don't want to show my

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<v Speaker 2>whole hand too quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>So listen to this one and then forget the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's up to you. But so this is the

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<v Speaker 1>Bear Grease Render.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're new to the Bear Grease Render, this is

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<v Speaker 2>where we gather a group.

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<v Speaker 1>But we have six of us here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Experts, six experts, and we talk about the bear great

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<v Speaker 2>there's five of us here, six of us.

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<v Speaker 4>There's six of us.

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<v Speaker 2>There's six of us here, and we we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the actual documentary style bear Grease podcast. So, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>new to bear Grease, this is what we're doing. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to pitch an idea to you guys here, regulars

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<v Speaker 2>on the Render. Let me introduce to my right, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going backwards today. To my right, Gary Believer Nukelem, my father, good.

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<v Speaker 3>To see you, Thank you here.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you liked this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew you would too. To my dad's right, Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Lamberge Spilmmaker, I'm just.

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<v Speaker 3>Glad I'm back because this podcast has gone to pop.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, Josh had been on a render in a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to come back to I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you the different things we're going to talk about. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna come back and talk to you about a buck.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna spill the beans. But great to see you, Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Beard's looking great, the land bridge is looking good.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, my lovely wife, Doctor Misty Newkelem. Great to

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<v Speaker 2>see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the only place is the only place.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like, what what use PhD? If you

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<v Speaker 1>never use it?

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<v Speaker 3>What's that exactly? Why if you're not going to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a long story. Job So Missy.

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<v Speaker 2>Missy has some very insightful comments that she would like

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<v Speaker 2>to give about women whoa that's a big.

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<v Speaker 3>Great's probably in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>To your right, Isaac Neil, Isaac, great to see you

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<v Speaker 2>works for Bear Grease.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm sure my wife is very excited for me

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<v Speaker 5>to receive this insightful and for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever listened to what miss say. It's gonna be big.

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<v Speaker 4>This is going to change our relationship expectations.

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<v Speaker 3>It's good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that good.

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<v Speaker 2>And to Isaac's right, the one and only Brent Reeves, Brent,

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<v Speaker 2>good to see it really looking sharp today.

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<v Speaker 6>Man, let me tell you, the only thing I know

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<v Speaker 6>about women is they've been in my trouble since I

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<v Speaker 6>figured out they wouldn't men.

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<v Speaker 7>That's that's that's a whaling jens, A line from a

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<v Speaker 7>whaling jen.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, get back in your chair. Sorry, Well you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have You have some great women in your life, as

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<v Speaker 1>do I.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Brent is wearing a full cry that hat.

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<v Speaker 2>When I saw I hadn't mentioned your hat yet. I

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<v Speaker 2>really wish I had a hat like that. I would

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<v Speaker 2>wear it. It's a it's an vintage foam hat home

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<v Speaker 2>trucker hat with full cry. So Full Cry is a

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<v Speaker 2>print coon hunting Hound Hunting magazine that has just been

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<v Speaker 2>kind of revitalized by one of our friends out in Washington, Jason.

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<v Speaker 1>And his wife Danny.

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<v Speaker 3>Danny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and uh, Full Cry is an old school. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was started in the nineteen forties. Thirty nine, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Full Cry was started as a print magazine.

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<v Speaker 4>They got a good shout out in the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I love it. I'm a I'm an old

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<v Speaker 1>Full Cry man.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>My picture was in Full Cry magazine in nineteen ninety four.

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<v Speaker 4>How old were you?

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<v Speaker 2>I was sixteen, Okay, and I was. I had just

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<v Speaker 2>got Newcomb's Southern Wash itall Blue Thunder registered Bluetick and

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<v Speaker 2>sending a picture to like the readers the reader's submissions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I think you took the picture right out

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<v Speaker 2>in front of our house of me with a little puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's wearing my car heart hat, and U.

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<v Speaker 5>Your outdoor career has been downhill ever since.

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<v Speaker 8>Is more excited about those dog papers than he is.

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<v Speaker 8>He feels the same way about those as I feel

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<v Speaker 8>about when we get the kids social Security numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>I can see that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just had to mention Brent's hat and just

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<v Speaker 2>how sharp he looked. Here's here's what here's my pitch

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<v Speaker 2>to you guys that I'm very very seriously considering, is uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how the late show, the talk show hosts,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna think of this as a joke, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a joke. The late night talk show hosts have

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<v Speaker 2>a live band that's just always there, just always waiting,

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<v Speaker 2>start out with a song, a song, something funny happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, go, I want a banjo player here

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. No, it can't be Misty. It's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be somebody with like not a whole lot of personality,

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<v Speaker 2>but just kind of like.

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<v Speaker 5>Just the personality comes out in the banjo, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that because their job is not really to talk,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would kind of lean on them like Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Fallon leans on his guy occasionally for input, like outside input.

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<v Speaker 5>You're looking for a banjo playing quest love.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need necessarily a contributor, but I would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine this podcast starts intros over and I go and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Go hit it, JB.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we start talking thanks man, and then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like like halfway through, after a good story, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>JB hit a lick, like somebody tells a real boring story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like too long.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll be honest a little bit like this is Clay's

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<v Speaker 8>expectations for me, just in our normal everyday life. Not

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<v Speaker 8>the banjo player, but just the like support, the the

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<v Speaker 8>the hitted Missy. I mean this this introduction comment about

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<v Speaker 8>the insightful feedback I've got for women.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, well, I uh and and and

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<v Speaker 2>it's got to you know. I like musicians that just

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<v Speaker 2>come in and out of your life like a radio,

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<v Speaker 2>like a radio doll.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you advertising list? No position.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be appointed like a like a like a dictator,

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<v Speaker 2>appointing like a lead person to oversee something in his government.

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<v Speaker 8>He doesn't realize he's much more in a dictator, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>type of government I'll take.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll take a benevolent dicta take.

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<v Speaker 2>A benevolent dictator over a crooked politician any day.

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<v Speaker 1>A crooked elected.

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<v Speaker 4>Politicians going right into right into it. You're going right

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<v Speaker 4>in height.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been energized, Yeah, yeah, I've been energized by by

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<v Speaker 2>the story and life of Barry Tarleton.

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<v Speaker 1>He so good.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk about that, Brent. So just a little

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<v Speaker 2>follow up. Ken's reward if you remember, on last episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Bear Grease, Brent told a story about getting an

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<v Speaker 2>American quarter horse named Ken's Reward, and we put out

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<v Speaker 2>an APB to the world about getting this information. Many

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<v Speaker 2>people have responded about that, and in Ken's Reward was

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<v Speaker 2>an actual horse. Yep, he was born, and we had

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<v Speaker 2>multiple people send us the papers, so it was really.

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<v Speaker 4>Give a little context actual people who didn't listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so Brent has a podcast called This Country Life,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's another complicated part of being in the Bear

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<v Speaker 2>Grease world. This is like a normal podcast where you

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<v Speaker 2>just like turn it on and it's like two or

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<v Speaker 2>three guys just like yipping all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you gotta have your brain on.

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<v Speaker 2>See, there's the Bear Grease documentary style podcast, the Bear

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<v Speaker 2>Grease Render and This Country Life. This Country Life comes

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<v Speaker 2>out every Friday. That's Brent's podcast. It's usually like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two and a half minutes long, and it's a great, excellent,

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<v Speaker 2>very well written, beautiful look into rural America.

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<v Speaker 4>Very good.

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<v Speaker 2>So Brent told a story about a quarter horse wild entertaining.

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<v Speaker 2>Brent told the story on his podcast about his dad

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen eighties buying him a quarter horse at

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<v Speaker 2>a great deal, and that in Ada, Oklahoma, I roughte

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<v Speaker 2>it home and the horse was a bronc. It bucked

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<v Speaker 2>him off four times. And then the saga of the

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<v Speaker 2>horse is pretty wild, and the horse gets sold very quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how long was that period of time? We didn't

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<v Speaker 3>use up a sack of feed before he left.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I wanted to know the story of Ken's reward,

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<v Speaker 2>like where that happen?

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<v Speaker 5>Where did the progeny?

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<v Speaker 3>Who?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is Ken? I mean that's a if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>normal human and you hear that story, the first question

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<v Speaker 1>you're asking is who's Ken?

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<v Speaker 3>And how? Yeah? Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I mean it slipped through his It slipped through

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<v Speaker 2>his hands like water.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they have been. It may have been a

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<v Speaker 5>sort of tongue in cheek name. He may have been

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<v Speaker 5>a dirt bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's what we want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so so we've had many people that have

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<v Speaker 2>sent us, Like I was looking at the registration papers

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<v Speaker 2>for the American quarter horse Kin's reward. You can track

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<v Speaker 2>it back generations. The horse was born on April first,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy nine. Interestingly, the year of.

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<v Speaker 3>My birth, Well, oh, I was thirteen, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Were thirteen and the horse died on January first, New

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<v Speaker 2>Year's Day, two thousand and four, at almost the age

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty five.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So and Brentwood had it that part.

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Died in two thousand and four, So when do you

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<v Speaker 2>think you had it?

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<v Speaker 3>It would have been nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>So the horse who had been seven or eight years old,

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<v Speaker 2>just long enough to let the world know that it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bronc.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, up until they are about five. You're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of giving them a chance.

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<v Speaker 6>They were dissatisfied. They were dissatisfied with his bucket ability.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought it was excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, but the.

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<v Speaker 2>APB that went to the world was that if I

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<v Speaker 2>could talk to Ken or Ken's family and we could

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<v Speaker 2>understand why the horse was named Ken's Reward, that I

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<v Speaker 2>would give him a genuine plot tree the Ozark coonskinhat,

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<v Speaker 2>and Brent would give him a case nine. We've had

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<v Speaker 2>many generous donations to the Information Ben, but nobody has

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<v Speaker 2>yet to bring us real answers that we're looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, it's still out there.

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<v Speaker 4>We still don't know who I mean, because clearly this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is we don't know who King is.

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<v Speaker 4>Even though the horse is gone, n might be still around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we hope, we hope, we hope Ken's around. We're

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<v Speaker 1>rooting for you, Ken.

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<v Speaker 4>Wherever you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, one of those coonskin hats, we know they're

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<v Speaker 3>valued about twenty fives.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, Josh Spillmaker made those for me. Josh takes a

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<v Speaker 2>coon and a half to make one of those.

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<v Speaker 5>You handstitch them part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh is a gifted craftsman.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you call a hat maker.

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<v Speaker 5>A furrier hatter?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, a hatter is the hatter is the term for

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<v Speaker 3>a someone who makes men's hats, Okay, and a milliner

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<v Speaker 3>is someone who makes women's hats.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, are you interested in people buying hats from you?

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<v Speaker 3>Not at the moment, will you.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a job that he's interested in fishing.

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<v Speaker 4>In a few short months he'll be interested.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Josh, he makes felt, felt cowboy hats. But he

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<v Speaker 2>also he made all these coonskin hats for me.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I've had a few people reach out to

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<v Speaker 3>me on Instagram and I apologize for you know, we've

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<v Speaker 3>gone back and forth, but I just.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not available.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, there's a special sewing machine with a hooked

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<v Speaker 5>needle just for stitching fur on material.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, it's crazy. Hmm. Maybe Josh could get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh he killed. Josh killed a big buck this week.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're using that term loosely.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd call it a week.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have to say I have a very generous

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<v Speaker 3>friend named Brian who's let me come out and hunt

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<v Speaker 3>on his property. I'm a little jealous, and yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>should be. He's a great guy. But I went out

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<v Speaker 3>and killed a dough. I haven't hunted in about ten years, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I've dedicated my life to fishing. But I really wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to kill a deer this year. And I got a

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<v Speaker 3>new rifle, a weather Be rifle with a bor Tex

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<v Speaker 3>scope shout out to weather Being Vortex, and I really

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to kill a deer this year. So I went

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<v Speaker 3>out and a couple of weeks ago and killed a

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<v Speaker 3>doe just to put some meat in the freezer. And

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<v Speaker 3>Brian said, man, you got to get back out here

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<v Speaker 3>and kill a buck. So I went out last weekend

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<v Speaker 3>and sat in the stand for several hours, saw a beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>thick coated coyote, I was going to take a shot out,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's just moving too fast. Saw a couple of spikes,

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<v Speaker 3>saw a couple of does. Felt like I had a

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<v Speaker 3>great morning. I figured my morning was over. It was

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<v Speaker 3>getting close to ten o'clock and out walks this beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>big bodied nine point buck. And it was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like you know when you're walking through a haunted house

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<v Speaker 3>and somebody like jumps out at you. I felt like

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<v Speaker 3>that was my reaction when I saw this buck. It

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<v Speaker 3>was almost like I had seen a ghost and I

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<v Speaker 3>just was like, oh my gosh, there's a buck. And

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<v Speaker 3>I grabbed that rifle and just drew a beat on

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<v Speaker 3>All I could do is I was looking the opposite

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<v Speaker 3>direction because I thought a buck would come from the

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<v Speaker 3>other way, And when I turned over, he was just

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<v Speaker 3>stepping out into this food plot, and man, I just

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<v Speaker 3>grabbed that rifle and drew a beat on him. And

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even count points. I was like, it's got

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<v Speaker 3>antlers and pulled the trigger and he just dropped like

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<v Speaker 3>a sack of potatos. Yeah, and I was I felt

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<v Speaker 3>very privileged to be able to harvest a great deer

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<v Speaker 3>like that, great a great set of antlers, but not

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<v Speaker 3>just that, but a nice big body deer that pack

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<v Speaker 3>him a freezer. I'm actually going to process him tonight

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<v Speaker 3>after this recording of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I think it's probably a good three

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<v Speaker 2>and a half year old Ozark Mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for for where we live, it's a big.

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<v Speaker 1>Buck yeah, big body deer.

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<v Speaker 5>If you ever get into many ature bear greases, like

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<v Speaker 5>not a full blown one, but like a little one.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a like an actual media.

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<v Speaker 5>Product, no, like yeah, just like a short one. Okay, gotcha,

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<v Speaker 5>this isn't a full episode, but I'd be interested in

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<v Speaker 5>knowing about all this from points scoring, like because when

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<v Speaker 5>I was growing up, it was just like I shot

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<v Speaker 5>a ten point yeah, and now everyone's like I shot

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<v Speaker 5>it one for it, you know, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just more complex math. It's just like a progression of

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<v Speaker 2>human life. You start out like, what's a number. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a one, that's a two, that's a three, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it goes to like find that math.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't get past three.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My life would

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<v Speaker 2>be easier if it was just points. Yeah, Like if

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<v Speaker 2>I could just be like, Dad, I killed an eight

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<v Speaker 2>point and you'd be like, oh really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I gotta be like Dad, I killed one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and five inch eight point.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>UHL. Graduations, Well, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited to be able to hang spailers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's excellent. That's excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>Say well, I'm just going to do your zuro freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's I want to oh, Long Hunters, Long Hunters, man,

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<v Speaker 2>what were you going to say?

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<v Speaker 3>Isaac?

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Ranella and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Did a a An audio original is what we're calling

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<v Speaker 2>that audio original.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of like an audio book better.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like a book, but original better, read better.

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<v Speaker 2>It is different than a book, though I don't it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to put your finger on it. But it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a book. It's an audio original.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's in the making a book.

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<v Speaker 2>It had a script, yeah yeah, yeah, and we and

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<v Speaker 2>we in the script was man. It is so I

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<v Speaker 2>really can't wait for the world to hear it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a unique audio product that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>give information.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's called Long Hunters.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventeen sixty one to seventeen seventy five and basically there

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<v Speaker 2>was a period of time for fourteen years that was halted.

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<v Speaker 2>It ended at the American Revolution and it started were

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<v Speaker 2>around seventeen sixty one, where the European long hunters were

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<v Speaker 2>trespassing into Indian and French and Spanish territory to contribute

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<v Speaker 2>and to try to make a fortune in the deer

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<v Speaker 2>hide trade, which they were sending deer hides back to Europe. Fascinating,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like blow your mind kind of fascinating. And

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't just follow along the standard tropes of what

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<v Speaker 2>you might think about long hunters. I think the team

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<v Speaker 2>did a great job of really showing the motivations of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys and how destitute many of them were. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys were essentially poachers in a lot of way,

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<v Speaker 2>going in places they should be and it wasn't because

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<v Speaker 2>they were pumped about. They weren't sport hunting. They were

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<v Speaker 2>just like trying to survive. Yeah, and they were that destitute.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's it. You can pre order it now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a link. You can just.

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<v Speaker 5>Look it up in the description.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but but it comes out on January the ninth.

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<v Speaker 5>And two thoughts. One serious when I hear you and

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<v Speaker 5>Steve advertising this on the podcast that I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 5>but I've just got did you ever listen to roy

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<v Speaker 5>D mercer. Yeah, all I can hear is how long

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<v Speaker 5>a hunter are?

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm serious one of the funny one that's

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<v Speaker 1>the series.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 5>All I can say is I feel like it's a

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<v Speaker 5>missed opportunity to advertise the book, to not get him on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he died.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, missed opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, he could be riding's reward.

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<v Speaker 5>The seri pious question is did I did I understand

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<v Speaker 5>right that this is the first in the meat Eater

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<v Speaker 5>American history series. I feel like they said something about that.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's if this goes well.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why we're like petitioning our people. You are

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<v Speaker 2>people to it'd be great if you supported this, if

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like it's a contribution to society.

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<v Speaker 5>You have full control over whether or not this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>it's just true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way media works, especially with these big publishers,

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<v Speaker 2>is if it does well, we'll do more, and we

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<v Speaker 2>we have plans, like running plans to do to do

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<v Speaker 2>some more that are really cool topics that I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>interested in. So yeah, long Hunters, man, It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>good and it What what I take away from it

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<v Speaker 2>is is the foundations of American deer hunting, which white

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<v Speaker 2>tailed deer hunting is the most popular big game hunt

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<v Speaker 2>hunt in general, not just big game, the most popular

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<v Speaker 2>hunting in America. There's white tailed deer hunting. There's more

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<v Speaker 2>white tail deer hunters. Most of us grew up white

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<v Speaker 2>tail deer and this is the foundations of why we

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<v Speaker 2>love it. Really, the cultural foundations was these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's it that I was going to ask you.

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<v Speaker 3>A question, Go right ahead, brother, Well, I guess I.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to ask Missy a question. First, Misty was not

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<v Speaker 2>you were not on the last render, and but you

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<v Speaker 2>listened to the plot genesis story. Yes, so that's that

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<v Speaker 2>was This is a two part series. That's all it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be. Yeah, there could be there could be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more, and there might be more in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>But the first plot episode was about the plot genesis story.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think mass Well.

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<v Speaker 8>So I actually talked to Clay about this after you

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<v Speaker 8>had already done the render, but I had not had

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<v Speaker 8>a chance to listen.

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<v Speaker 4>To the to the whole podcast yet, And.

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<v Speaker 8>As we were talking to it, one of the things

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<v Speaker 8>that Clay said is there was this controversy, you know

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<v Speaker 8>about how the plots did they come over on the

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<v Speaker 8>ship because they weren't listed on the cargo.

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<v Speaker 4>Cargo manifest? Or you know, did they get dogs here?

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<v Speaker 8>And and as he was telling me, he said, one

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<v Speaker 8>of two things could happen. And he tells me One,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, they could have uh, you know, been on

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<v Speaker 8>the ship and not been on the manifest.

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<v Speaker 9>Or two.

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<v Speaker 8>And I was like, wait, there's a third, because I

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<v Speaker 8>thought he was going to say, or two the dogs

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<v Speaker 8>were on the manifest, but are were on the ship

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<v Speaker 8>but we're hidden, like they snuck them on there.

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<v Speaker 4>And I told them if Tim.

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<v Speaker 8>The squirrel dog, if I was going from Germany or

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<v Speaker 8>from if I was traveling across the Atlantic, and they

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<v Speaker 8>told me I couldn't bring my squirrel dogm.

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<v Speaker 4>Would be on that ship.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, she was like, those dogs were on

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<v Speaker 1>that ship.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm imagining I'm now imagining five plots in a trench coat, George.

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<v Speaker 2>Dogs And she's like, no, that's I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 8>We have plotthounds, and we have you know, the squirrel

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<v Speaker 8>dogs and the squirrel dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>Tim. He knows when to be quiet.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, the plotthounds are not as gifted at that. Jedi

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<v Speaker 8>are retired, are retired plotthound. He he loves the sound

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<v Speaker 8>of his own voice.

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<v Speaker 3>What exactly did he retire from?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I well, it's a very actually a very

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<v Speaker 2>accurate term for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I can explain more, but yeah, yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 4>The Jed loves the sound of his own voice and.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a hard time being whatever they have been.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's the only that's the only flaw in my

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<v Speaker 8>logic is Jedi at Night in particularly loves to just

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<v Speaker 8>make melodic house that are disconnected from anything happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, yeah, yeah, No, jedis retired because his business

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<v Speaker 2>partner is dead.

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<v Speaker 8>He wasn't a great hunter, yeah, just anion he was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was Fern's hype girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I wanted to hear. I wanted to hear

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<v Speaker 2>what you thought about that. You know, I didn't We

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do this last time, but I want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of plot people that will be listening

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<v Speaker 2>to this. I want to go around the room and

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<v Speaker 2>tell me if you think the dogs were on the ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just like simple answer, were they on the

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<v Speaker 2>ship or did did George plot developed the plot hounds

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>train from dogs that were here because that's that's the question.

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Did they come from German, did the stock come from Germany?

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Or and where their dogs on that ship? And you'd

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>have to go back to listen to I mean, we

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 2>talked for an hour extensively about this idea, and really

0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 2>the episode was about oral tradition versus written record words,

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 2>and I have a strong stance on it. It's like

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 2>the written records of the seventeen fifties. Wait, are you

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 2>going to tip your hand before we all? No, No,

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna paint the picture. Written records from the

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:16.359
<v Speaker 2>seventeen fifties that we have today undoubtedly would be a

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 2>dim record of reality. That's just a pill that everybody's

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to swallow. Point number two, there are no records,

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 2>written records that we can put our hands on today

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:32.879
<v Speaker 2>of dogs coming from Germany. So it's like it's just

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 2>that simple. But dad Gary Nukolm, what do you think

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 2>were those dogs?

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Show? You know?

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 10>I went into some detail which obviously no one listens

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 10>to their old man.

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 9>It's not absolutely they were on that ship.

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 10>And the reason I say that, and I went into

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 10>detail saying that this was you're the only one.

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 9>So I gave it to that an illiterate family.

0:25:56.560 --> 0:26:02.880
<v Speaker 10>These people were intelligent people, could communicate very well, and

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 10>they told the story and passed it down. And if

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 10>you just I've forgotten some of their names, but you know, George, George, Henry, Yeah,

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 10>George Henry, Henry lived in the house in eighteen o three.

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 10>And then you get by, you get up to Vine

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 10>in the sixties. It wasn't that big of a deal

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 10>for George to tell Henry and Henry tell Monty or

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.120
<v Speaker 10>you know. It just it wasn't that big of a deal,

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 10>and there was no reason to lie about it. You're

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.199
<v Speaker 10>not bragging about bringing dogs over. You just go, well, well,

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 10>uncle George brought those dogs over on the ship. I

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:47.680
<v Speaker 10>go with that absolutely unequickly. Okay they were on the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, believer, We got one believer, Josh.

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<v Speaker 3>My great grandfather, John Leon Artists, immigrated from Greece in

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:03.119
<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifteen, came through Ellis Island. I have been to

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Ellis Island and I have searched the records on the

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 3>ship for the ship's manifest and cannot find his name.

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I know he immigrated from Greece. I know he came

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:14.920
<v Speaker 3>over on a ship I'm one hundred percent they brought

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 3>the dogs over. I have to believe they brought the

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:17.680
<v Speaker 3>dogs over.

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 3>My grandfather told me repelling of him coming over here

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 3>and him being sent.

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:25.360
<v Speaker 2>To do I would like to command the land bridge

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 2>for it was a good, compelling, concise, definitive answer.

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.199
<v Speaker 3>That was good. Brought the dogs over. They might not

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 3>be on the manifest, big big deal. When was this?

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>When what I mean in the seventeen.

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Two hundred and fifty years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, I like it.

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 3>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>We got we got two believers of six Misty on

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the ship. You're like, they smuggled those dogs over.

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 8>Well, even if they didn't smuggle them over, I think

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 8>that it would. You know, these were people coming from

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.400
<v Speaker 8>from Europe to to the US, and I just think

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:06.119
<v Speaker 8>that maybe they valued the dogs. If they're saying they

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 8>value the dogs, they valued the dogs. But maybe the

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 8>people on the ship didn't value the dogs and write

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 8>it down. I think there's tons of reasons why they

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 8>wouldn't be on a manifest. Yeah, And I mean like

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 8>they probably also didn't say if they had mirrors or

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 8>hair brushes or things like that. I mean, whoever's on

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.160
<v Speaker 8>the ship is going to assign value to what gets recorded.

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>J's plot brought two hair brushes. They had one.

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Mirror cryogenically frozen and put in a carry on and

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.159
<v Speaker 3>reanimated when they got to the States. Nobody would have

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 3>ever known.

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, okay, now, okay, Isaac, you can't be you

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>can't be influenced by what's been said.

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 5>I already had my answer. What do you think were

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 5>they on the ship? They were on the ship for

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 5>two reasons, Okay. One, Like Gary said, there's no there's

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 5>no advantage to them lying at the time that they

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 5>were passing the story along. It's not like they were

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 5>like snake oil salesman ring around the country trying to

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 5>sell them, and.

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 1>They weren't trying to start a breathe.

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 4>People.

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 5>People were buying them, but it was because they were

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 5>great dogs. There was no story necessary for that. Number Two,

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 5>it's a great story and there's just absolutely no downside

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 5>to believing it.

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 9>I could get at all.

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like that's a way better story.

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like I am, in general a fun guy,

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 2>so I believe it.

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 9>I was not the daddy Daddy senior in Germany. He

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 9>had a little wealth, didn't he.

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Well he the story, the oral tradition is that he

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>worked for a wealthy guy. So he would essentially be

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the estate manager of somebody that had some big chunk

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 2>of ground in Germany. That's and that was a common position,

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 2>and that guy would have been in charge of dogs,

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and would have been in charge of hunts and the grounds,

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 2>and so.

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 10>That's if you couldn't bring dogs with you the owner

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 10>of all that game that they were, you know, it

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 10>would have been real easy to influence people. Hey, let

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 10>the boy bring the dogs on the ship. If that

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 10>was a problem, which it probably was not a problem.

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it wasn't a big deal for dogs to

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>come over from England. I mean they did all the time.

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm kind of shocked.

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>We've got four so far of six that are believers.

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Brent one. They were not on that ship.

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 6>Now only if they started out with five hundred, maybe

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 6>five survived. But he got a brother that dies, there's

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 6>so how much food they're gonna put on that ship.

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 3>They got to feed them dogs. If his brothers died

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 3>because he was starving or whatever. The issue was. Them folks,

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 3>they would eat them dogs before they ever got there.

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>We didn't die because he was starving. We don't know

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>why he died.

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 3>You don't know why not everybody died. But what I'm

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 3>saying is, Kirby, if you die on the ship, it's

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 3>usually because it's it's.

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Got to be scirvy.

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 6>They could have made him walk the plank. Nobody knows.

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 6>What I'm saying is them dogs wasn't on this ship.

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So from the evidence that you you heard in the.

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 6>There's no evidence that they were on the ship. That's

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 6>the deal, right, So, and I just don't I don't

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 6>think it was. I mean, it wasn't like going on

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 6>a cruise is now it was easy, Okay.

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to throw possum in the hen house,

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 2>as we say, But this is coming from a staunch,

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>long time generational Walker man. It would be to his

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 2>benefit to tarnish the reputation, the story, the history, the

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 2>legacy of the plot hound.

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>It would be it would be to his advantage for

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>people to be there. Those plot hounds don't mean anything

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 1>to me.

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I'm getting a walker. I'm going to

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 2>join the rest of America.

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't get a walk.

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 6>I wish they all had plots I wish everybody had them,

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 6>and that's not That is not a stance or a

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 6>platform that I'm willing to accept. The stand on't know,

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 6>it takes nothing away from how special that story is,

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 6>because there's two stories. There's a story they brought them

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 6>over in the story that they didn't. So but I

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 6>just believe it doesn't discount it. One doesn't bring any

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 6>discredit to what that family has done, what.

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>That And I think I think that's the reason that

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>we can.

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 3>I like it. I like it better. No, I ain't

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 3>through yet, Josh, you.

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 9>Move on.

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 3>I like this story better having dogs from America doing.

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>It America.

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 9>Agenda. You have an agenda you're working on.

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 3>That's a US A baby quote. Bailey react, exactly right.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, what's your stance?

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Clay Well, I find myself in a precarious situation here.

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I got an email from a dear friend of mine

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 2>a few days ago, renowned historian. I don't think he

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>would mind me bringing up his name. Doctor Brooks Blevins

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 2>is a hero of the Burgers podcast.

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 10>Uh.

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 2>He is a prolific writer, academic historian based out of.

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 5>Springfield, Missouri, State Queen the Queen City.

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so, Brooks is This is the way I describe

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Brooks as expert as anybody could be at their field.

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 2>He is the expert of the ozarks. I mean like

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 2>you could take a rocket scientist from wherever and and

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and analyze their knowledge of their field, and it would

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>in anybody in the world.

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be.

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 3>Brooks.

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Blevins would be equivalent in his knowledge of the ozarks.

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>He's bone of He is bonafide that is not relevant

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 2>to this, but he is an academic and is a researcher.

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 2>He wrote me an email and he said, Clay really

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed the plotound episode. He said, I never thought I

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 2>would hear Palatina the Palatina of Palatinate of Germany mentioned

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a region of Germany. Yeah, I'm pronounced wrong, and

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 2>he said. He said, but I've been around these narratives

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.280
<v Speaker 2>enough to know that when you go down the trail,

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 2>some of these romantic stories usually aren't true. And he said,

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I I don't think the dogs, he doesn't think the

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>dogs are on the ship.

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 6>I here, right here is where a field needs to

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.439
<v Speaker 6>put in the what's that law and order?

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 4>If I had the banjo guy and be like hit it.

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:00.840
<v Speaker 9>Many.

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 2>He was actually on my list, but Myron means has

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 2>too much to contribute. Yeah, it would be hard to

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.240
<v Speaker 2>ignore Myron. I want a banjo player I can ignore.

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 9>So check this out.

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 5>If you were around me for more than twenty four hours.

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I like how we just changed the subject really quickly.

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Keep it.

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:23.439
<v Speaker 5>Quote one of three authors, Jose Ortega, You got said,

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 5>the most prolific Spanish language philosopher of the twentieth century.

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 5>He wrote Meditations on Hunting. Yes, foundational.

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>You talk about him NonStop, NonStop.

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 9>I asked Clay twice.

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 5>I asked Clay twice in an eighteen hour period if

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.399
<v Speaker 5>you'd read Meditations on Hunting. It just cycles through my brain.

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 5>Wendleberry prolific theologian, poet, Yes, outdoor thinker insane Brooks Blevins.

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, those are the three guys we talk about.

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Are you saying your change lens changing your side here?

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying because somebody said Brooks, I.

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 5>Hold him in the utmost esteem and he is dead wrong.

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Just me and my fellow sophisticate mm hmm.

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:08.439
<v Speaker 5>It pains me to not be on the same team

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 5>as Brent Reeves.

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 3>And you still didn't say what you think well.

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't think he wants to say what you think.

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 5>He's the moderator.

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm a I am not on the outside

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of this like all y'all are. I'm on the inside.

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:28.760
<v Speaker 2>And then the family in the family. In the family,

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 2>we keep things in the family.

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, Clay will basically not sell a dog plot hound

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 8>like my whole life. He'll be like, man, that dog

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:41.439
<v Speaker 8>is worth so much, but we'll never get a penny

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 8>for it, because he only gives them away to select

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 8>people who he believes can can pull the best out of.

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 2>The I'm a I'm a deep first generation plot man.

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, that's how it gets started.

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 3>One day they'll talk about the Newcomb Farm plot hounds.

0:36:58.640 --> 0:36:59.280
<v Speaker 3>No they won't.

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 4>The retired one is the.

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:13.760
<v Speaker 2>So this this, this episode just just reeks, reeks of

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>so many ver greasy things that that I'm interested in.

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 2>And it was I told Mistery told several people these stories.

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 2>It might seem easy. This story was hard to tell

0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>in a way because it was so it really was

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 2>a personal story, a family story. And by easy, I

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 2>don't mean like like gathering the content was. I mean, yeah,

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 2>there was challenges to that at different times. But just

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:48.360
<v Speaker 2>like handling someone's family story is more significant to me

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 2>than like the outcome of like did it do good

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:55.319
<v Speaker 2>or or would people like it? My first concern is

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 2>always the people that are opening themselves up. And this

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 2>is a story that's not been told like nobody regionally,

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Barry Charlton is known, and in the plot world, Barry

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Tarleton is known, but you know, there's not books about

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 2>about him, or he's not a folk hero on a

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 2>national level. And that's that's what I love about a

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 2>story like this, and and and it's so to me

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 2>cool to know that there are stories like this that

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 2>are untold.

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 1>And but Dad, general impressions.

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Of the Barry Tarlton story, what was your favorite part?

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 2>What what did you think about it?

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 10>Well, I can relate to being lazy. The guy offended me,

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:48.799
<v Speaker 10>I'm telling you. When Tracy said that, I mean, come on, hey,

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 10>it was awesome. It was just really unbelievable to me,

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 10>the the way that it was woven together. And you know,

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.280
<v Speaker 10>you had dogs, you had people, you had I loved

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:08.399
<v Speaker 10>the movie Walking Tall. You remember that the beef stickd Pusser. Yeah,

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 10>he cleaned up the county and Tennessee I just that

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 10>sounds like the same guy to me.

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:16.320
<v Speaker 9>And then the old.

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 10>Movie in the song White Lightning years ago, Man, that

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:26.879
<v Speaker 10>was just my favorite. Robert Mitcham running Moonshine and hit

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 10>that electrical deal and blue you know.

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Uh so the.

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 10>Intrigue of the outlaws, the shootouts, the boys hitting the ditch,

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 10>you know, fred are gonna get shot. Uh I enjoyed

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 10>that more than the dogs. But the dog part was

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 10>really awesome too.

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.359
<v Speaker 2>I just I thought, well, I thought Tracy did a

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:54.399
<v Speaker 2>phenomenal job, and of anybody on planet Earth, he would

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 2>be as qualified as anyone to talk about this when

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 2>he said, like, yeah, you're you and me are kind

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 2>of intrigued by the by the pizzaz of you know.

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 9>Tommy gunn bailing out on the other side.

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I'm thinking Bonnie and Clyde they couldn't get

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:12.439
<v Speaker 10>out of the car in time. This guy, he got

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.439
<v Speaker 10>out in time. He shut down some boys with Tommy guns.

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 9>Yeah shotgun.

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.919
<v Speaker 2>Well okay, and so you know, it's fun to talk

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 2>about that. But if it was me who had been

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>out on the street today and had been shot at

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 2>and had returned fire and came home and told my

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>wife that like literally could have been killed. I mean,

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a different story when it's real. And to me,

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 2>that's what And I'd never met Barry Charlton. I know Tracy,

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I know Ben, I know a lot of people that

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:48.319
<v Speaker 2>were around him. I watched an extensive interview that you know,

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 2>that interview. I picked five like thirty second clips that

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Barry Charleton interview. There's a full interview with him. Is

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you realize in like Tracy said, like it was a

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:03.320
<v Speaker 2>terrible thing, It wasn't. He wasn't doing it for fame.

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't doing it because so they make a TV

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 2>show about him that it wasn't like Moonshiner's you know

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>on Channel twelve Barry Tarleton and Barry's like twirling his

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:16.240
<v Speaker 2>pistol and shooting people. He literally his brothers were murdered

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 2>and he was angry at them. I mean, and so

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.359
<v Speaker 2>there was not a Hollywood shine on it. I mean,

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 2>this is a man that came from such poverty that

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.239
<v Speaker 2>they were fattening possums to eat it. And he is

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 2>in the midst of really the American dream of financial

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 2>financial increase over time at a time when America was

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of blossoming, and here he is, and he's on

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:47.799
<v Speaker 2>this kind of upward trajectory from abject poverty to having

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.320
<v Speaker 2>a good job and having a car and being able

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:53.479
<v Speaker 2>to provide for his family. But then there's this thing

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 2>that's in his community that's killing people, and he's like, no,

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.440
<v Speaker 2>this is getting in the way of this life that

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I want for my children from my family. And it

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 2>was ugly, you know, and I think Tracy did a

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 2>good job of de romanticizing it, you know, just saying, oh,

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the moonshine was terrible.

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, it really wrecked a lot of people. But

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>that's what was.

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 10>So in truth, he was, to me a real hero.

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:29.320
<v Speaker 10>And so many of y'all, not me, have this little

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 10>hero guy and girl inside you that never really has

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 10>an opportunity to come forth. Sergeant York just an old

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 10>farmer War War One, and then who's the guy in

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 10>World War Two?

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Audie Murphy.

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 10>I mean, these guys they were just they were just

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.880
<v Speaker 10>little little guys, but when they were put under pressure,

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 10>they were tremendous heroes. And he was a tremendous hero.

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 10>I mean he went into his community and said, Hey,

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 10>I'm gonna clean this mess up. Yeah, and he could

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:10.319
<v Speaker 10>have been killed. And then he loved bear hunting, I.

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.799
<v Speaker 9>Mean to the point where he was wild eyed.

0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:14.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, So I just thought he was an awesome, awesome guy,

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 10>and I put him right up there with the heroes

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 10>of our country.

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 5>Can you imagine working a shift at the milk plant

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 5>with that guy? What did you do last night?

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 9>Oh?

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 5>I caught the radio program What About You Well, and

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 5>he wouldn't have been braggadocious about it, I imagine, just

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 5>totally deadpan. Got shot up by some Tommy guns and

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 5>I shot one of them with a shotgun. After that,

0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:46.439
<v Speaker 5>I went bear hunting.

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 3>I bet nobody messed with his lunch.

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:59.360
<v Speaker 11>And hey, before you go too far, I want to

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 11>hear what missed he says about women.

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 9>I tell you, I've got some strong thoughts about Hazel.

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:10.239
<v Speaker 10>I'm just yeah, me too, really, I think I have.

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 8>I think, yeah, you know, well, yeah, Clay was just

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 8>saying that he was he was. I think he was

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 8>a little concerned at how people might take that part

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 8>of the story. And we were I had just listened

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 8>to it and we were just eating.

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>So there's a part on the podcast where where Tracy

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 2>describes the routine of his grandfather, which was.

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 1>So good, like it was, I mean, I like it.

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:41.439
<v Speaker 2>I commend people for paying attention to stuff and being

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 2>able to like, could I describe the routine of lew

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 2>and Nukem my grandfather? I mean no, I mean I

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 2>have some ideas of the way he lived his life,

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, I just I thought it was really neat

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the way he just had all that laid out and described.

0:44:55.640 --> 0:45:01.959
<v Speaker 2>But it's certainly and tracy Tracy he said it. He said,

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 2>you might hear that story and think that this is

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>this poor little woman being run over by some and

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:10.879
<v Speaker 2>and I mean he was just like.

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 3>She's the hero in the story. In my opinion. Let

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 3>me tell you, my grandmother and great grandmother were like that.

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 3>And it was their schedule, not my grandfather or my

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 3>great grandfather's schedule. It was their schedule. They were doing that.

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if you want warm food, you better be here.

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.800
<v Speaker 3>The story of the that.

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Way, Well, tell me what you said.

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 8>Yes, So Clay was just saying that he was concerned.

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 8>I was like, Man, if people hear that in any way,

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 8>they that that kind of set up is actually and

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 8>if you really if you look historically at and people

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 8>could argue with this, and and and people will and

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:56.760
<v Speaker 8>I don't really care, but that type of marriage actually

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 8>does have quite a bit of of equality inside of it.

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 4>There they have different roles.

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 8>They're not thinking about they're not thinking about he's working

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.920
<v Speaker 8>a shift, he's coming home work on a job. She's

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:13.720
<v Speaker 8>managing the homestead. Her what she is doing is not paid,

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.280
<v Speaker 8>is not compensated work, but it is tremendously valuable.

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:17.479
<v Speaker 3>To the home.

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:21.319
<v Speaker 8>And if you look at Appalachian history, you see that,

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 8>you hear that inside of of the stories that they

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:27.399
<v Speaker 8>tell about the women who who built these homesteads. Number One,

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.839
<v Speaker 8>they're tough, they can work pretty hard. What they're doing

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 8>is actually to keep those homes running. And if you

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 8>look at like Hunter gather societies, and there's imperfections, and

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.800
<v Speaker 8>there's big issues like the way women have been treated

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 8>for eons or generations. There's big issues, but there is

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:46.280
<v Speaker 8>inside of a high functioning home a level of egalitarian

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 8>relationships that exist. And that's just her role. They're just surviving.

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:52.719
<v Speaker 8>That is just like she's going to take care of

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 8>the home stuff. He's going to go out to the

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 8>factory and work. They're gonna bring he's gonna go get

0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 8>meat from from elsewhere. It's not it's not to say

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 8>say it's not to say it's only like since agriculture

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 8>and society shifted towards them more, it was in the

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 8>like agrarian cultures that things, certain things became more valuable than.

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 2>What you said was that in the in going way back,

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 2>the hunter gatherers societies, Yeah, the women often had more

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>rights or more rights than.

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Even women would today. Am I am I hearing you

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:26.279
<v Speaker 1>say that?

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.240
<v Speaker 8>Well, I didn't say that. I said in hunter gathered societies,

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 8>it was there was more equality inside of inside of

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 8>the structure to the well, I mean they could Yeah,

0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:36.360
<v Speaker 8>I wouldn't say it in the terms of rights, but

0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:38.400
<v Speaker 8>there was more equality inside of the structure of the

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.719
<v Speaker 8>home because each played a part and those parts were

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 8>very valuable. Yeah, and so those were the relationship was

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:46.800
<v Speaker 8>actually a very mutually beneficial and as as we became

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 8>more agrarian, that's where that started to shift.

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:49.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 2>And one thing that I said as I was trying

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 2>to again I'm wanting to tell the story accurately and

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 2>not wanting because you're just getting such a little snippets.

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we did a whole hour and four minutes

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 2>on this guy. And it's like, we didn't get the

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 2>whole story, you know, I mean we got parts of it.

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 2>But the opening scene of the podcast, which I loved,

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 2>was me evesdropping on a phone call between Tracy, his

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:20.920
<v Speaker 2>aunt and Tracy's mother. And in the story of the

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:24.839
<v Speaker 2>car getting blown up, what was Barry Tarleton doing when

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>the car got blown up?

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:26.760
<v Speaker 4>Heating up a bottle?

0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:28.400
<v Speaker 1>He was heating up a baby bottle.

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's like getting ready for work to right,

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.799
<v Speaker 2>He's getting ready for work. And and and she told

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 2>him he was going to go scold the dogs because

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.720
<v Speaker 2>the dogs were going crazy, his bear dogs. And she said,

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 2>don't worry about those dogs. Heat up that youngin's bottle.

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean she you know, I mean, you kind of

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.839
<v Speaker 2>get these little peaks. She wasn't some lady that got

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 2>all beat up. She loved him and they and they

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 2>really did. And then and then I wanted to include

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the story of him talking about meeting her. I mean,

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:04.399
<v Speaker 2>this is an eighty four year old man. They've been

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:07.359
<v Speaker 2>married for sixty three years. There's a lot of outcomes

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 2>of a marriage that long. If you said, how'd you

0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 2>meet your wife? I mean I don't know. Barry told

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:18.200
<v Speaker 2>it passionately, like I just could tell he liked that story.

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:20.360
<v Speaker 5>That's what I was going to say. A marriage of

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 5>sixty three years with a setup like that does not

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 5>last without mutual respect and adoration and all those things.

0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:30.160
<v Speaker 5>It's not one that is built on domination, you know.

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 10>I you know, this day and time, people don't believe

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:41.319
<v Speaker 10>the way I believe. But that is an important part

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 10>of our society. I mean, I'm bigger and stronger than Hazel.

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:48.959
<v Speaker 10>I can go out and haul logs. I can bring

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 10>money in. Your job is really more important. You raise

0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:57.000
<v Speaker 10>the kids. I mean, she's got her imprint on little kids.

0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 10>Every day she's taken care of them. She's I mean,

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:05.080
<v Speaker 10>it's a bigger job. The job of the man back

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:11.319
<v Speaker 10>then was probably easier. It's it's if this offends you,

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 10>you need to do a little research, You need to

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 10>do a little thinking. Because this was a beautiful relationship.

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 10>She loved doing it. He needed it done for him

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:24.760
<v Speaker 10>so he could put all his energy.

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were a team.

0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:32.279
<v Speaker 9>Into into the Pitts milk plant yep, you know an

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 9>hour home.

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he needed a copilot to drive the boonshine back.

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 10>To me, the women are the big heroes of the

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:46.160
<v Speaker 10>world period, and uh just because they and they love

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 10>taking care of a husband, children. There's nothing that's no honorable.

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 10>It's no honorable. Now our world has changed. It started

0:50:57.719 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 10>changing in the fifties where women went to war work.

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:03.919
<v Speaker 10>Now then all of a sudden, you know, we we're

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 10>sharing these duties. And a lot of times the women

0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:09.600
<v Speaker 10>are more gifted than the men, and they can move

0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:14.240
<v Speaker 10>up and bring more money home like Misty does over.

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's what you do now, you stay home.

0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Playing gold.

0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:23.840
<v Speaker 8>Also, I think the system, the economic systems have changed

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 8>a lot as well. I mean the like if you

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:28.719
<v Speaker 8>think about what was required to put food on the

0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 8>table at that time. I mean, if we're gonna like

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 8>grind wheat, we to put food on the table and

0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:40.600
<v Speaker 8>and have sour dough and smoke. If they're going to

0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 8>kill a bear that you smoke so that the kids

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 8>can eat in the wintertime, that's a lot of work

0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 8>that you can't do that has to be done during

0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.920
<v Speaker 8>daylight hours because you also don't even have running water.

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 8>And I mean they were talking about not having a

0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:54.320
<v Speaker 8>toilet in the house, so that stuff has.

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:54.680
<v Speaker 4>To be done.

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.040
<v Speaker 1>That was that you're mixing your podcast.

0:51:57.760 --> 0:51:59.320
<v Speaker 5>That's one big story, Hazel.

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Hazel and and Barry. We're a little further in time.

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:04.839
<v Speaker 4>Okay, but but still I'm just saying, like he's got.

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:06.879
<v Speaker 2>John Plot wouldn't go to the bathroom at the house,

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:09.640
<v Speaker 2>that's right, which actually is very reasonable.

0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you imagine caves in your house. He's like, hey,

0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I need to go, and he's like going to go

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:19.800
<v Speaker 1>in the house.

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.879
<v Speaker 4>It's true. Yeah, I thought of it like that till

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:23.440
<v Speaker 4>the podcast.

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 8>But from my point of being like, it's it's an

0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:30.239
<v Speaker 8>economic I mean, there's there's a massive economic contribution that

0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 8>she's making.

0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:32.839
<v Speaker 4>To the house by having all that stuff done.

0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 8>I think that people don't realize with convenience food, with

0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:39.080
<v Speaker 8>the way that we live now, some of those things

0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:40.840
<v Speaker 8>have are are removed.

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:42.760
<v Speaker 4>But and there were.

0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:46.840
<v Speaker 8>Societal constraints on on on women. Sure, but I just

0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 8>think that in a house like that, where every it

0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:52.320
<v Speaker 8>is a team, we're not looking at who's got thought Tracy.

0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:54.800
<v Speaker 2>It was cool when you're talking to Tracy there's always

0:52:54.800 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 2>this little side just side philosophies or is that he

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:06.000
<v Speaker 2>talked about. I mean, like him saying that she only

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:10.160
<v Speaker 2>she only went to town once a week and wouldn't go

0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:12.840
<v Speaker 2>out with other makeup. And he said, you know today

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 2>country means you dressed down. He said, back in the day,

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the mountain people I was around, they dressed up to

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 2>go out like they were interested in putting on their

0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:21.359
<v Speaker 2>best yeh.

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:24.840
<v Speaker 1>And then to move it a little further along. He

0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:25.600
<v Speaker 1>he we.

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Actually talked and had this like big section about kind

0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:31.480
<v Speaker 2>of like modern economics around land, and I had to

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:32.160
<v Speaker 2>condense it.

0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:32.919
<v Speaker 9>Like way down.

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 4>I was super interesting.

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Because he said, he said, Barry's mom and dad were

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:42.480
<v Speaker 2>would have been like a dirt poor people who well,

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:44.960
<v Speaker 2>let me, let me, let's move it to Barry. Barry

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:46.879
<v Speaker 2>worked for twenty five cents an hour at a milk

0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:52.759
<v Speaker 2>plant and was able to buy a relatively sizable farm. Yeah,

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 2>by the time Tracy's father, who we didn't bring up

0:53:56.640 --> 0:53:59.960
<v Speaker 2>on the podcast, but you know, Barry's son was Tracy's father,

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:05.319
<v Speaker 2>he had to work a job in town to and

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:12.879
<v Speaker 2>run a farm. By the time Tracy, now basically the

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:17.719
<v Speaker 2>farm is not producing money. You got to have a

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:19.400
<v Speaker 2>job to even have a farm.

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.719
<v Speaker 1>And then his son.

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Will struggle with the wages. You either have to inherit

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:30.799
<v Speaker 2>a farm or with the wages that are paid to

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the average person. And I mean, I think this is

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 2>not just East Tennessee, to be much of the world.

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:38.880
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna just work a normal job as a

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 2>plumber or as a even a heck, even an insurance

0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:47.000
<v Speaker 2>agent or whatever and be able to probably go buy

0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 2>a big farm without some kind of external help. And anyway,

0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:55.239
<v Speaker 2>what happened in Europe is happening here, and it's just

0:54:55.280 --> 0:55:00.240
<v Speaker 2>the economics of a civilize like we came into the

0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 2>The settlement of America is so unique to the world.

0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean in recorded history, there has never been a

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:13.800
<v Speaker 2>big spot on a map that was just settled this quickly.

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:17.000
<v Speaker 2>And obviously there's there's a lot of problems with you know,

0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this place was a grand civilization of the

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:23.919
<v Speaker 2>Native American tribes with Europeans got here and they were

0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:27.920
<v Speaker 2>like wilderness, and the Native Americans were like nor civilization

0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:33.839
<v Speaker 2>we've been, so you know, there's all that, But but

0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:38.719
<v Speaker 2>the expansion of America, it's like the people that were

0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:41.839
<v Speaker 2>most destitute, like the long hunters, they were the ones

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 2>going to the edge of the frontier. And and all

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 2>those people that were settling in East Tennessee on that

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:48.440
<v Speaker 2>rough mountain land.

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 1>There were poor people. People didn't want that land. And

0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:52.719
<v Speaker 1>now the.

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Economics of the country has grown so much. Land is

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.160
<v Speaker 2>so valuable. There's so many people wanting to come here.

0:55:57.239 --> 0:56:00.840
<v Speaker 2>That rough land that is not valuable for agriculture is

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:03.720
<v Speaker 2>now worth a ton of money. Anyway, it's just it's

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:06.400
<v Speaker 2>it's what happened in Europe, it's happening here, my grandma.

0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Is nothing that we can do about it. It's not

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:10.680
<v Speaker 2>like bad or good. It's just the way it is.

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 6>My grandmother told me that her grandpa when in that

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 6>area where I'm from down there, he said, a gallon

0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:23.359
<v Speaker 6>of whiskey and an acre of land costs a dollar each.

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:28.480
<v Speaker 6>And if her father, her grandfather, has spent all the

0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:32.719
<v Speaker 6>money he spent on whiskey on land, the millionaires, they

0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:34.719
<v Speaker 6>would have named that county after us.

0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:36.680
<v Speaker 3>We'd own it all.

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:41.000
<v Speaker 6>So I mean that was I you think about that. Yeah,

0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:43.800
<v Speaker 6>an acre of land that's put timber on it a dollar?

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:49.759
<v Speaker 10>So every generation, Hey, pull your mic now, every generation

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 10>has those stories. And there's stuff at there today that

0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 10>will be told fifty years That old Gary Nukele he

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:00.879
<v Speaker 10>had just if he had just.

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Done this saved ten thousand dollars an acre for that land.

0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:10.319
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, that's a great that's a great point because one

0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 12>day we will, should the earth persist, which I'm not

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:14.760
<v Speaker 12>sure that it will.

0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Uh we they'll talk about us like we're talking about

0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Barry Charlton. Sure, And I mean I've got stories about

0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:26.720
<v Speaker 2>dad when we first kids. You know, you could have

0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:29.320
<v Speaker 2>bought one hundred and eighty acres for five hundred dollars

0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:32.560
<v Speaker 2>an acre in western Arkansas and the primary and I

0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:35.520
<v Speaker 2>mean like ninety thousand dollars, we could have had one

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:37.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty acres, which today that land is worth

0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:40.640
<v Speaker 2>who knows what I mean.

0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:42.880
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, oh, got it if we'd have just

0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>bought it.

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:48.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, there's always this this economic thing going on,

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:52.280
<v Speaker 2>and at the time it's always expensive. Like at the

0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 2>time that was too much money for Gary Nukeom. Now

0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like shoot man, ninety grand for one hundred and

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.480
<v Speaker 2>eighty prime acres.

0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Like, we'll figure out a way.

0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:03.360
<v Speaker 4>To do that.

0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:06.640
<v Speaker 10>It doesn't necessarily in the future when they look back,

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.640
<v Speaker 10>it probably will be land, but it could be something

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 10>totally different. You know, we all talk about being from Arkansas,

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 10>we'd a bought Walmart stock you know, Dillard stock Co.

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:21.760
<v Speaker 10>You know, you know who knows what it is. But

0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:24.000
<v Speaker 10>we're overlooking something to day.

0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a good point.

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Ken's reward.

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:36.880
<v Speaker 1>This is a this is also interesting Isaac's favorite part.

0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:40.280
<v Speaker 5>I thought that when was it?

0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Ben?

0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:45.040
<v Speaker 5>Is that Jones when he was talking about the basically

0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:49.120
<v Speaker 5>inheritance of his family and his dogs and you guys

0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:53.400
<v Speaker 5>were talking about like how fragile that is. That was

0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:56.320
<v Speaker 5>fascinating to me. It's like if you inherited a million

0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:58.800
<v Speaker 5>dollars that was surrounded by dynamite and there was a

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 5>faulty wire in there or sparking, you're just like one

0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:08.440
<v Speaker 5>small incident away from losing all of it, Like if

0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:12.480
<v Speaker 5>you get your bloodline broken, Like there it goes. But

0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:14.800
<v Speaker 5>like the whole point of having it is putting it

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:19.000
<v Speaker 5>in a dangerous situation. Yeah, it's that was super fascinating

0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:21.160
<v Speaker 5>to me, Like because you think about all of this

0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:24.320
<v Speaker 5>history that goes into this line of dogs and then

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:26.200
<v Speaker 5>to think like the whole point is putting them up

0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:27.160
<v Speaker 5>against bears.

0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just kind of blew my mind.

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, when I was standing there with Ben and and

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know Ben's twenty nine, twenty nine I'm gonna

0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:41.120
<v Speaker 2>come back to Ben. I'm standing there with all his

0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 2>dogs in this. You remember when I on the first

0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:51.520
<v Speaker 2>episode said that somebody might bypass in Appalachia a backyard

0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 2>or a little watered hollows. What I said, where they've

0:59:55.000 --> 0:59:57.520
<v Speaker 2>got the dogs tethered and can come down to get water.

0:59:58.280 --> 1:00:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Dark brindled dogs going up a hollow man, there is

1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:02.040
<v Speaker 2>nothing more.

1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:05.640
<v Speaker 1>If you know, when you see that, you're like, this

1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:08.960
<v Speaker 1>is special. That's what Roy Clark's house looks like. If

1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:10.240
<v Speaker 1>you went to Roy Clark's house.

1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:13.200
<v Speaker 2>You can send one hundred Americans up his road and

1:00:13.240 --> 1:00:15.440
<v Speaker 2>it'd be interesting to see what they would say because

1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:18.440
<v Speaker 2>most of them would not see the They just wouldn't

1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:22.280
<v Speaker 2>know they would. They would see something different to those

1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:26.720
<v Speaker 2>of us on the inside. Ignorant is well, And I'm

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.680
<v Speaker 2>standing out and Ben's back with Ben and Tracy's dogs

1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:31.960
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know. Let's just say there's twenty five

1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:37.560
<v Speaker 2>dogs there and it's like that's all of them. And now,

1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 2>granted I want to say this, they have close friends

1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:45.040
<v Speaker 2>that run Houston Valley dogs. I mean it takes more

1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:48.240
<v Speaker 2>than that's not enough. That's not enough, but there's not

1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know this, so I can say it

1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:54.320
<v Speaker 2>without like getting in their business. I bet there's not

1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:59.400
<v Speaker 2>five guys that they're super close with that they breed

1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:00.000
<v Speaker 2>back and forth.

1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, three or four maybe there.

1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:06.280
<v Speaker 2>But there would also be some historical things that happened

1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:10.080
<v Speaker 2>years ago, like you know, maybe twenty years ago Barry

1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:14.640
<v Speaker 2>gave somebody a dog that they kind of still have

1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:17.720
<v Speaker 2>some of that blood that's kind of disconnected, So you know,

1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:20.360
<v Speaker 2>there's some of it. But like the core of the

1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:22.919
<v Speaker 2>Houston Valley strained plots is setting right there in front

1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:23.280
<v Speaker 2>of us.

1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and those dogs are getting hunted like crazy.

1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:33.560
<v Speaker 10>And yeah, it's been long, small bone with short ears, yeah.

1:01:34.120 --> 1:01:38.280
<v Speaker 2>He said, a short body, longer legs, short ears and

1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:41.040
<v Speaker 2>small almost yeah almost black.

1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:45.680
<v Speaker 5>Just enough bad register now now that car, buddy.

1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:46.000
<v Speaker 10>Uh.

1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:51.760
<v Speaker 2>That's the same way Roy I recorded Roy Clark describing

1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:54.000
<v Speaker 2>to me the color that he liked in a bear dog,

1:01:54.600 --> 1:01:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and and the way Roy Clark says it is he says,

1:01:59.160 --> 1:02:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I can't do my Roy. I've got a great mister Roy.

1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:03.400
<v Speaker 2>If you hear this, you know how much I love you.

1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I have a great Roy Clark impression. I'm not sure

1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I can do it right now, but he he says,

1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I like them. When they're when twenty feet away from them,

1:02:12.880 --> 1:02:15.360
<v Speaker 2>you think they're jet black, But when you're right up

1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:17.920
<v Speaker 2>on them, you can see just enough brandle to register him.

1:02:18.040 --> 1:02:19.400
<v Speaker 1>He basically said the same thing.

1:02:19.440 --> 1:02:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Ben said, yeah, And now now I don't think I

1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:27.760
<v Speaker 2>don't there's some people that don't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure. I don't want to name any names.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a there's a there's a there's a sect of

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<v Speaker 2>plot people that do not like the black ones because

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<v Speaker 2>historically the dogs were a little more brindle, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was some controversy over the registration of allowing buckskin plots

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<v Speaker 2>to be registered. Buckskin plots can be look like a

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<v Speaker 2>yellow lab. I mean, you'd see Roy has one, He's

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<v Speaker 2>got all these black dogs, and then there's a yellow

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<v Speaker 2>lab sitting there and you're like, what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, it's a plot. Where'd you get it?

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<v Speaker 3>There's no and you turn them anyway in the sun,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't see any brindle at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, the ones that I've seen, I'm telling you you,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd put them on a stand in flooded timber.

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<v Speaker 1>In Arkansas and expect.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was saying that they may kill me for

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<v Speaker 2>that if I die, it's because I said that.

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<v Speaker 4>So many reasons for you to die these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but but point being, the buckskin used to be

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<v Speaker 2>like this deep traditional thing and it was special. They

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<v Speaker 2>were special because you'd have just every five generations, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>have one that would be.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my that's my question when he said clarify for me,

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<v Speaker 3>when he said register, is he talking about register in

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<v Speaker 3>UKC or is he talking about register that you can actually.

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<v Speaker 2>See No, No, UKC. They can't be jet black if

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<v Speaker 2>you have a dog yellow one. Well, okay, that's only

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<v Speaker 2>in the last two years have they allowed buckskin plots

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<v Speaker 2>to be registered. Nice And it was a major controver,

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<v Speaker 2>major controversy because what happened was is there became an

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<v Speaker 2>out here we go again if I died because they

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<v Speaker 2>killed me. What happened was is that Brendle bear dogs

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<v Speaker 2>a a prized plot.

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<v Speaker 1>Hound was a was a buckskin plot.

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<v Speaker 2>And they accused some guys of breeding in red bones

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<v Speaker 2>to get buckskin plots, and so so these breeders would

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<v Speaker 2>be like, heck, you need to breed that dog with

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<v Speaker 2>a buck with a with a red bone, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>get all the buckskin plots. You want and be able

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<v Speaker 2>to sell those for good money. So people were accusing

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<v Speaker 2>people of doing stuff like that because you could quickly

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<v Speaker 2>get a buckskinish dog by putting in something red or

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<v Speaker 2>lighter colored. And so that's when some of the guys

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<v Speaker 2>were like, no buckskins. But buckskins were clearly traditionally inside

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<v Speaker 2>the breed. And I have talked to me any of

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<v Speaker 2>prominent plot breeders, and I didn't ask Tracy. Tracy, Tracy

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<v Speaker 2>probably be listening to this. I would like to know

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<v Speaker 2>if Houston Valley has ever thrown a buckskin plot to.

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<v Speaker 3>The original five were supposed to be yellow dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the original five that were definitely on that ship.

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<v Speaker 5>If this mule, what would be considered the flashy variety.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the flashy is the Maltese and buckskin. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to I don't want to put words in.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all real serious stuff.

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<v Speaker 8>So this is pre technical. I think that we're I

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<v Speaker 8>think we're in the weeds.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, dude, this is where the meat of this bone

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<v Speaker 2>is at. Has had a few Maltese plots. His dogs

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<v Speaker 2>are just like almost jet black, and they'll pump out

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<v Speaker 2>a Maltese plot. Now, a gray undercoat with black stripes.

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<v Speaker 2>They're really neat dogs, very hard to come by. So uh, Brent, Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if Miss Nukeman thinks we're in the weeds, she's probably right.

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<v Speaker 9>We are.

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<v Speaker 3>She normally is.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think being in the weeds.

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<v Speaker 1>Is wrong, not always, Brent.

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<v Speaker 2>Just favorite part of the podcast, oh for just analysis,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Talking about God Man, it was good. I told you

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<v Speaker 6>before we started this may this episode may surpass anything

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<v Speaker 6>that we've ever done, or you've ever done, that we

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<v Speaker 6>ever listened to or talked about.

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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely wonderful.

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<v Speaker 6>Identified a lot with his hatred for moonshine because my

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<v Speaker 6>moonshine steals were meth labs. I felt the same way. Hmmm,

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<v Speaker 6>So I think that part I really I'm not comparing

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<v Speaker 6>myself to him by any means. I'm just saying that

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<v Speaker 6>I know where he was coming from them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought an interesting nuance that they introduced was he

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<v Speaker 5>was like, it's basically depicted as a binary scenario where

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<v Speaker 5>you're either a moonshiner and you're of the people, or

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<v Speaker 5>you're a revenuer and you're whatever. He's like, he didn't

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<v Speaker 5>care about the taxes. Yeah, he cared about what it

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<v Speaker 5>was doing to his community, which is I thought, an

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<v Speaker 5>interesting nuanced view.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'd never well, I have heard that analogy

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<v Speaker 2>before about that. You know, moonshine is, moonshine is today's

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<v Speaker 2>like myth and then here we are like glorifying moonshiner's,

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<v Speaker 2>you know in fifty years where they glorify the meth addicts.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, but Brent, fifty years from now, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>make a bear grease about you.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you even talking about, Brent?

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<v Speaker 4>Bust that would be good. I'd listen to that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, carry on, Brent, carry on. That was just the start.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just an opening comment from.

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<v Speaker 2>Why was it the best he's He told me that

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<v Speaker 2>beforehand he said, Clay, this may have been the best burgers.

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<v Speaker 3>That I liked.

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<v Speaker 6>The when he talked about the routine that he had

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<v Speaker 6>reminded me so much of my grandparents. And then I said,

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<v Speaker 6>we said it wall Ago, not to add nauseam. You

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<v Speaker 6>know that he would my grandpa wouldn't bossing my grandmother around.

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<v Speaker 6>It was if he wanted warm food.

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<v Speaker 3>It was be there then.

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<v Speaker 6>And when he got up, take his bath, all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 6>because she had stuff to do, you know, she she

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<v Speaker 6>got up before him in the morning, got him off

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<v Speaker 6>to the farm, and then she worked there at the house,

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<v Speaker 6>and then she went to the store that they owned

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<v Speaker 6>and she worked that and then she come home and

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<v Speaker 6>then she fixed up her and he come in, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's that whole, that whole scenario. My grandmother was the

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<v Speaker 6>lynch pin that held the whole family together. She was

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<v Speaker 6>running the whole show. And my grandfather went to his

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<v Speaker 6>grave saying she was the boss. You know, hey, Hazel

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<v Speaker 6>was the boss.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there.

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<v Speaker 9>She didn't get up and cook. She puts the cereal

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<v Speaker 9>out at night and Tony if you don't like it.

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<v Speaker 6>So that a good point identified with the whole and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure a lot of people do you know, identify

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<v Speaker 6>with that, with their grandparents, with that that era. So

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<v Speaker 6>that that was I love all the dogs too, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I'm crazy about hunting dogs. But to me,

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<v Speaker 6>that the family aspect of that and his his role

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<v Speaker 6>in trying to do make his community better, I really

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<v Speaker 6>identify with that, So that that was my favorite part.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I appreciated that he was like, I'm gonna get revenge.

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<v Speaker 3>I can do a little legal way or the illegal way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised when Tracy used that word revenge, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he was just quoting his grandpa. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, that's what he said to me. Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't sugarcoat this thing. He said, I want revenge, which

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<v Speaker 2>is just.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, interesting, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I was amazed at the you know, you hear, might

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<v Speaker 2>hear a story about somebody moonshining or something, and when

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<v Speaker 2>you actually go dig into it, you realize there's not

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot there. I mean, you know, like we

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<v Speaker 2>have some moon a moonshine story in our family of

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<v Speaker 2>my grandfather, my mother's father, who went to some type

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<v Speaker 2>of juvenile jail before he was eighteen for being involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the transportation of illegal moonshine.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked about that, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like you dig into it and that's about

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<v Speaker 1>all there is.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he apparently didn't stayed doing that, or at least

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get caught and that YadA YadA. I had heard

1:11:04.880 --> 1:11:08.840
<v Speaker 2>these stories about Barry from Tracy and others, and it's

1:11:08.880 --> 1:11:12.160
<v Speaker 2>just like, yeah, Barry was a he was a big, big,

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<v Speaker 2>really involved in bustin moonshine, and this story, when you

1:11:17.280 --> 1:11:20.280
<v Speaker 2>dig into it, it just went deeper. And deeper and

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<v Speaker 2>deeper and deeper, and I didn't touch the surface of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I really didn't trust what Tracy told me.

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<v Speaker 1>Today.

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<v Speaker 2>I communicated a little bit with him and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>he said it was you know, really enjoyed it. The

1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:36.479
<v Speaker 2>family enjoyed it. And he said, you really, we really

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<v Speaker 2>didn't touch the surface of really who Barry Tarlton was.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe it and and and even the stories

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<v Speaker 2>so in the interview that Bob Plott did, and I

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of thanks to Bob Plott for just

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<v Speaker 2>being there.

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<v Speaker 1>And but then Tracy filmed.

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<v Speaker 4>It and uh, Bob pt did the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking to Barry Tarleton and you didn't hear Bob's voice

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<v Speaker 2>on it. But I wanted to give Bob credit for

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<v Speaker 2>just being there to interview Barry months before he died.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, Barry was it was late in his life,

1:12:09.520 --> 1:12:13.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you could tell like his his his

1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:16.800
<v Speaker 2>world was kind of closing in a little bit because

1:12:16.800 --> 1:12:19.920
<v Speaker 2>he just wasn't that elaborate. He wasn't he just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite have but he he it was unreal. The stories,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like him saying they were like did you

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<v Speaker 2>bust some moonshine steals and he was like, yeah, one

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<v Speaker 2>time I busted a big big steals a thousand gallons.

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<v Speaker 2>And he told the whole story of how he busted

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<v Speaker 2>the big He said, he said, they went, they snuck

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<v Speaker 2>into this moonshine still and I just couldn't include it. It

1:12:43.240 --> 1:12:46.040
<v Speaker 2>was just too long. He snuck into this moonshine steal

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<v Speaker 2>him and another guy, you know, two law enforcement officers

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<v Speaker 2>armed and they're trying to just get in there to

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<v Speaker 2>get their eyes on it and maybe catch the guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the way in they run in two boys,

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<v Speaker 2>young boys, and Barry call them over and says, don't

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<v Speaker 2>you tell anybody you saw us here. He gave both

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<v Speaker 2>the boys five dollars each and told them, don't you

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<v Speaker 2>tell anybody that you saw us here. Apparently they were

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<v Speaker 2>right behind somebody's house, because he said the two boys

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<v Speaker 2>left with the five dollars, and he heard them go

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<v Speaker 2>down to their house and yell for their mama, mama,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and and uh. He said he could hear

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<v Speaker 2>them tell their mom that they just saw the law

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and and some and he talked about like

1:13:34.240 --> 1:13:38.200
<v Speaker 2>circling around the mountain and then running into the adults

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<v Speaker 2>that were in charge of the Moonshine Still, and he

1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:42.880
<v Speaker 2>knew them. They were just people that he knew. Is

1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:45.479
<v Speaker 2>just like Bill. And they didn't put up a fight,

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<v Speaker 2>like it wasn't a shootout. It was just it was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, got you Bill, Yep, we're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>this still and uh and and then.

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<v Speaker 1>So they arrest him without without tussle. They arrested these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And then but one of the guys they arrested was

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<v Speaker 2>a young guy like probably twenty years old. That's the

1:14:08.680 --> 1:14:12.280
<v Speaker 2>impression I got, who was wanted for murder that they've

1:14:12.320 --> 1:14:15.400
<v Speaker 2>been trying to catch. This kid had killed a man

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<v Speaker 2>with a set of.

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<v Speaker 5>Pliers for seventy eight cents.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he was trying to rob him, basically, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had seventy eight somehow they knew it was for seventy

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<v Speaker 2>eight cents. And I don't think the kid meant to

1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:29.040
<v Speaker 2>kill him, but he killed him with a pair of

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<v Speaker 2>plyers and hauled him off way deep in the mountains,

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<v Speaker 2>down in a halla and dumped the body. And Barry

1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:41.080
<v Speaker 2>got the guy in a room, an interrogation room, and

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, you killed that guy, didn't you, And

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<v Speaker 2>basically the guy confessed to kill them, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>where's the body? And he told Barry right where the

1:14:48.160 --> 1:14:51.000
<v Speaker 2>body was. Barry got in his car, drove twenty miles

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<v Speaker 2>out into the mountains, walked down in this deep haula

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<v Speaker 2>and found the body.

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<v Speaker 1>They hauled it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there was just one story that just sparked

1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:01.519
<v Speaker 2>in a his mind, like and then you know the

1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:05.400
<v Speaker 2>tommy gun story. It's like, what you heard was all

1:15:05.479 --> 1:15:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that he told. But it's like, wait a minute, where

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<v Speaker 2>were you who had a Tommy gun and was shooting

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<v Speaker 2>your car?

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<v Speaker 5>Any one of these stories you would have a hard

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<v Speaker 5>time telling in an hour and four minute podcasts, much

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<v Speaker 5>less a lifetime. Eighty four years or eighty two years

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<v Speaker 5>of these stories seemingly all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just the amount of shootouts and killing that

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<v Speaker 2>was going on back in those times was just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>And there he also in part of the part of

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<v Speaker 2>the interview that I just I just couldn't put in there,

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<v Speaker 2>Barry said that the law didn't cope come back in

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<v Speaker 2>the Houston Valley very often.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why he wanted to be constable, is because the sheriff,

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<v Speaker 1>like Dodge City man, he said, he said.

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<v Speaker 2>The law was just too far back it just they

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't come out there, and so he had to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of take it into his own hands.

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<v Speaker 10>And everybody didn't have an iPhone to take pictures of

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<v Speaker 10>videos of what was going on, you know, a little

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<v Speaker 10>free run. Hey, one thing before you you quit, and

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<v Speaker 10>we can answer this afterwards. But I was intrigued by

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<v Speaker 10>these dogs in that they weren't fighting dogs. You know,

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<v Speaker 10>if you just ask me, I'd go in and give

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<v Speaker 10>me a stinking pit bull and a Great Dane. You

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<v Speaker 10>give me some big old dog that you're not worried

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<v Speaker 10>about that. Apparently it was running dogs. It's what they

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<v Speaker 10>wanted once they got to the bear. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 10>a little long legged, shortier dogs, not gonna be whipping

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<v Speaker 10>the bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, a pack of them could maybe. Well that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing is. They're not trying to overpower a bear.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got a bear. A black bear is the hardest

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<v Speaker 2>big game animal in North America to tree, more than

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<v Speaker 2>a mountain lion, more than a coon, more than a fox,

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<v Speaker 2>more than a whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to a bear dog.

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<v Speaker 2>I have heard it said, and and I'm gonna say

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<v Speaker 2>it just because it's it's a compelling thought. Even though

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<v Speaker 2>some one might argue about it. They're the They have

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<v Speaker 2>to be the most athletic dog in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not I mean, more more than any working dog.

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<v Speaker 2>A bear dog has to have a unique set of characteristics.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta have an incredible nose to be able to track,

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<v Speaker 2>gotta have the nerve, as Roy Clark and the Lower

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<v Speaker 2>Mountain bear hunters say, they got to be nervy. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a big thing is that you turn Tim loose on

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<v Speaker 2>a black bear and he gets swatted one time and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, ros, I'll be.

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<v Speaker 3>Treading to squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be I'll just keep treading squirrels.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety eight percent of dogs on planet Earth ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>point nine probably encounter a bear. They finally catch one,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, holy cow, I had no idea that

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<v Speaker 2>you were big and harry and mean and could kill me.

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<v Speaker 2>A bear dog's got to have the right amount of

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<v Speaker 2>want to catch you but not get killed, because if

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<v Speaker 2>they just run in and grab hold of a bear,

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna die. Yeah, you gotta have They got to

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<v Speaker 2>have incredible athleticism. So I mean, they're not breeding for

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<v Speaker 2>some big yeah, like a dog to run in and

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<v Speaker 2>catch a bearry. He's got to be able to travel

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<v Speaker 2>miles and miles through mountains.

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<v Speaker 10>The other side of my question is if you went

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<v Speaker 10>around the country and ask a different type pound man,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, plot man, what what what are you describing

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<v Speaker 10>your dog? You know, Ben said, long legs, small body,

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<v Speaker 10>short ears. This other guy's he gonna what's he gonna say?

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, you know, so apparently there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 10>he used a word like style of dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, uh.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the way in just in every breed, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>I know my buddy Ricks he likes a forty five

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<v Speaker 6>pound walker dog and a female to coon hunt. I

1:18:42.680 --> 1:18:44.920
<v Speaker 6>know boys that like, don't bring it to the house

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<v Speaker 6>unless it's gonna be over seventy pounds.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, every breeze.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, labs are like that.

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<v Speaker 10>Guys like a small female a lot of times to

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<v Speaker 10>retrieve ducks.

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<v Speaker 9>But anyway, now.

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<v Speaker 2>What what Tracy said though, was he's said, in these

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<v Speaker 2>mountains here, serious plot men. If they never spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>each other, didn't know each other, and you went to him,

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<v Speaker 2>they would have pretty close to the same thing, because

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<v Speaker 2>they've all got to do.

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<v Speaker 1>The same job.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I will say that I hunted with a very

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<v Speaker 2>reputable plot breeder named Curtis Walker one time. Honestly some

1:19:25.240 --> 1:19:29.920
<v Speaker 2>of the most of them, Yeah, Curtis Walker, plot man West

1:19:29.960 --> 1:19:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Virginia plots. Yeah, some of the most impressive dogs I've

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<v Speaker 2>hunted with. They had a dog that I guarantee you

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<v Speaker 2>weigh one hundred pounds. They called him Copper A plot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched, I mean I hunted with the dog. I

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<v Speaker 2>saw it, and they said it was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best bear dogs, I mean, as good a bear dog

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<v Speaker 2>as they've ever had.

1:19:51.080 --> 1:19:53.120
<v Speaker 1>And he weighed that dog was huge.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a plot, I mean just and again going

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<v Speaker 2>back to this idea of strains, and Ben Jones said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I asked Ben, I said, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>like about? And Ben said, Clay, I don't really like plots.

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<v Speaker 2>I just like mine. Yeah, yeah, there's there, there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of variation, but I would say the big

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred pound copper dog is an outlier.

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<v Speaker 8>Let me tell you what I like about a good plot.

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<v Speaker 8>Him to me, Okay, if I were looking for a plot, hen, okay,

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<v Speaker 8>here's the things they'd have to have. Are you always

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<v Speaker 8>we are? I like the leapers, if you go, if

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<v Speaker 8>you if you go, Coon hunting with Jed and Burn.

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<v Speaker 8>Uh well, and we won't go coon hunt with anymore.

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<v Speaker 8>So yeah, but Jed would. He loved when we would.

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<v Speaker 3>You he's a climber.

1:20:41.760 --> 1:20:42.400
<v Speaker 4>He's a climber.

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<v Speaker 8>So you you you'd tree a coon by a hill

1:20:46.280 --> 1:20:48.000
<v Speaker 8>and Jed would run to the top of the hill

1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:50.200
<v Speaker 8>and leap from the hill to the top of the tree.

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<v Speaker 8>And he would do it just to show off sometimes, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>if you want to show And it was like clear

1:20:55.320 --> 1:20:57.240
<v Speaker 8>he was like, yes, I get to leap. You could

1:20:57.280 --> 1:21:03.720
<v Speaker 8>tell he always loved he loved it. I mean, I know,

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<v Speaker 8>so I want a dog that's a leaper. I want

1:21:06.080 --> 1:21:08.639
<v Speaker 8>a dog that's a singer. Jed has a real pretty

1:21:08.720 --> 1:21:11.880
<v Speaker 8>voice and he likes to he likes to show it off.

1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:14.080
<v Speaker 4>You know, I don't like him singing at night, but.

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<v Speaker 8>I really love just sitting out there watching Jed just

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<v Speaker 8>kind of look at the sky and think deep thoughts

1:21:19.240 --> 1:21:25.719
<v Speaker 8>and sing these beautiful songs. So a leaper, a singer,

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<v Speaker 8>a leaner you you can't walk up to, I mean,

1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:30.679
<v Speaker 8>clearly is my favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>These dogs, like if you were breeding, will have any functionality,

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<v Speaker 2>could any work all on?

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<v Speaker 8>So with Jed, you know, you come out anytime you're

1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:41.960
<v Speaker 8>a near Jed, he just leans on you and sticks

1:21:42.000 --> 1:21:49.200
<v Speaker 8>his arm up and.

1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:48.000
<v Speaker 4>On you, just like you always know kind of you.

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<v Speaker 8>You're loved and you're and then he would be able

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<v Speaker 8>to treat a coon because if he can't, he's gonna.

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<v Speaker 9>Get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 8>So those are the four things that I'd like to

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<v Speaker 8>I'd like to get out of a And Jed kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Of pulled the wool over eyes for a while because

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<v Speaker 4>he un it's.

1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Kind of it's kind of like me and Brent. People

1:22:08.080 --> 1:22:11.000
<v Speaker 2>think like I'm good at podcasting. It's only because I

1:22:11.040 --> 1:22:11.800
<v Speaker 2>run around with brown.

1:22:11.960 --> 1:22:12.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

1:22:13.280 --> 1:22:14.960
<v Speaker 4>So Jed ran around with Fern. He looked like a

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<v Speaker 4>good coon dog.

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<v Speaker 8>We lost Fern, and all of a sudden we realized,

1:22:17.960 --> 1:22:20.680
<v Speaker 8>man Nen knows it all.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just got a great hype hype man.

1:22:23.600 --> 1:22:23.760
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 10>One of the one of the pretty sights that I've

1:22:26.360 --> 1:22:28.439
<v Speaker 10>seen in a while was when we stayed in your

1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:31.120
<v Speaker 10>little cabin up there and I came down one morning

1:22:31.479 --> 1:22:34.280
<v Speaker 10>and I looked through that back door the window, and

1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:37.400
<v Speaker 10>it's that Jed. Jed was sitting there like he owned

1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:39.280
<v Speaker 10>the world at the end of your barn with the

1:22:39.320 --> 1:22:44.040
<v Speaker 10>doors open. He was just singing. I mean, it was

1:22:44.120 --> 1:22:48.000
<v Speaker 10>just beautiful. I went from my phone. I thought, well,

1:22:48.200 --> 1:22:50.479
<v Speaker 10>probably won't take going through that window.

1:22:50.520 --> 1:22:54.519
<v Speaker 8>But it was really I know exactly what you're talking about.

1:22:54.720 --> 1:22:56.680
<v Speaker 8>He likes to sit at the the barn and you

1:22:56.720 --> 1:22:59.320
<v Speaker 8>could see the mountain, you know, with the barn doors open,

1:22:59.479 --> 1:23:01.559
<v Speaker 8>you could you can look over jed shoulder and see

1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:05.720
<v Speaker 8>the mountain. And he's just singing those songs.

1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:08.439
<v Speaker 1>People singing those songs. I come out in the middle

1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:08.640
<v Speaker 1>of that.

1:23:10.680 --> 1:23:13.040
<v Speaker 2>My neighbors, like, I have a few numbers that probably

1:23:13.040 --> 1:23:22.000
<v Speaker 2>could hear me yell like, you can't frustrat the dog, yeah, yeah.

1:23:21.120 --> 1:23:23.800
<v Speaker 8>A little more frustrated. I can sleep through the dog.

1:23:23.840 --> 1:23:24.840
<v Speaker 8>I can't sleep through hill.

1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Bottle hollering at them dogs. Man, this has been a

1:23:32.240 --> 1:23:37.320
<v Speaker 2>great render. I I've this this uh, this story to

1:23:37.400 --> 1:23:40.680
<v Speaker 2>me is is really special. Really enjoyed telling it. It

1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:45.280
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of fun. The We're gonna do something

1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:47.519
<v Speaker 2>a little different the next couple episodes of Burgers.

1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:52.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm not gonna tell you someone well, it's actually gonna

1:23:52.400 --> 1:23:54.439
<v Speaker 5>be an hour and a half of just Bancho.

1:23:57.600 --> 1:23:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I've kind of opened up a can of worms with

1:23:59.439 --> 1:24:05.880
<v Speaker 2>this player thing, because I've I've got very specific needs,

1:24:05.920 --> 1:24:09.080
<v Speaker 2>and like they can't be strings attached, like it's not like.

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<v Speaker 5>Only to the banjo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hopefully it's five strings.

1:24:12.120 --> 1:24:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the only five would you go for if

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<v Speaker 2>they played a four string banjo?

1:24:17.040 --> 1:24:18.120
<v Speaker 4>There is a four string banjo?

1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well just strings on the banjo, that's all, but

1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:23.920
<v Speaker 2>clearly not interesting.

1:24:24.120 --> 1:24:26.240
<v Speaker 5>No strings attached have to be named JB.

1:24:26.600 --> 1:24:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Well they can be named whatever, Okay, But obviously I

1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:34.320
<v Speaker 2>would be nice to this person stuff like that. But

1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:39.479
<v Speaker 2>I like to I I used to own a business

1:24:39.560 --> 1:24:44.120
<v Speaker 2>and I like to u uh undersell and over deliver,

1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:45.639
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

1:24:45.800 --> 1:24:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it would be like, guess what, this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to be terrible, and then they come in thinking

1:24:50.320 --> 1:24:52.360
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be terrible, and then they realize it's

1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:52.840
<v Speaker 2>not that bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It's mediocre and it's great.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:55.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:24:55.520 --> 1:24:56.040
<v Speaker 4>It's short.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we had a banjo player, actually, it would

1:24:58.720 --> 1:25:00.880
<v Speaker 2>be really great and you'd probably at the time of

1:25:00.880 --> 1:25:05.120
<v Speaker 2>your life for just an hour or so. Man, So

1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:08.439
<v Speaker 2>great to see everybody. Thanks for coming up, Dad, Josh, Misty,

1:25:08.760 --> 1:25:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Isaac Brent. So good to see everybody. Yeah, long Hunters,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and pre order it.

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<v Speaker 3>So big. It would be.

1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:19.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's certain things that you can lean on

1:25:19.400 --> 1:25:22.640
<v Speaker 2>your audience and just be like, please do this, just

1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:23.679
<v Speaker 2>just do it, just.

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<v Speaker 4>For us, give it to someone for Christmas.

1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it'll be it's for the cost of the audiobook.

1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:34.720
<v Speaker 2>It is a lot of entertainment, Like not just entertainment

1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:39.240
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna just like flush through your brain, actual educational entertainment.

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<v Speaker 4>You can be the smartest person in the room.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, speaking of entertainment, we're going to watch you can

1:25:44.840 --> 1:25:48.160
<v Speaker 10>cut this out. Shepherd new can play basketball. Last time

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<v Speaker 10>I went, he scored thirty eight points.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes that's yes, excellent sheep out of four street game

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<v Speaker 2>of scoring over thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy birthday Bear John, Yeah that too. And he's only

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<v Speaker 3>a sophomore.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, thank you so much