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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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Speaker 2: presented by f h F Gear, American made purpose built

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Speaker 2: hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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Speaker 2: as the place.

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Speaker 1: As we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render.

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Speaker 2: I have We've got a great a great cast of

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Speaker 2: characters here today to talk about one of the best

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Speaker 2: bear grease podcasts in a long time. In my opinion,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to show my

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Speaker 2: whole hand too quickly.

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Speaker 3: So listen to this one and then forget the rest.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's up to you. But so this is the

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Speaker 1: Bear Grease Render.

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Speaker 2: If you're new to the Bear Grease Render, this is

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Speaker 2: where we gather a group.

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Speaker 1: But we have six of us here today.

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Speaker 2: Experts, six experts, and we talk about the bear great

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Speaker 2: there's five of us here, six of us.

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Speaker 4: There's six of us.

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Speaker 2: There's six of us here, and we we talk about

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Speaker 2: the actual documentary style bear Grease podcast. So, if you're

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Speaker 2: new to bear Grease, this is what we're doing. I

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Speaker 2: want to pitch an idea to you guys here, regulars

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Speaker 2: on the Render. Let me introduce to my right, we're

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Speaker 2: going backwards today. To my right, Gary Believer Nukelem, my father, good.

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Speaker 3: To see you, Thank you here.

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Speaker 1: I bet you liked this episode.

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 1: I knew you would too. To my dad's right, Josh

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Speaker 1: Lamberge Spilmmaker, I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Glad I'm back because this podcast has gone to pop.

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Speaker 2: Josh, Josh had been on a render in a long time.

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Speaker 2: It's going to come back to I'm going to tell

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Speaker 2: you the different things we're going to talk about. Uh,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna come back and talk to you about a buck.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna spill the beans. But great to see you, Josh,

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Beard's looking great, the land bridge is looking good.

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Speaker 2: You're right, my lovely wife, Doctor Misty Newkelem. Great to

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Speaker 2: see you.

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Speaker 1: Doctor.

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Speaker 4: This is the only place is the only place.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, what what use PhD? If you

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Speaker 1: never use it?

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Speaker 3: What's that exactly? Why if you're not going to get.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a long story. Job So Missy.

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Speaker 2: Missy has some very insightful comments that she would like

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Speaker 2: to give about women whoa that's a big.

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Speaker 3: Great's probably in the room.

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Speaker 2: To your right, Isaac Neil, Isaac, great to see you

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Speaker 2: works for Bear Grease.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure my wife is very excited for me

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Speaker 5: to receive this insightful and for me.

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Speaker 1: Ever listened to what miss say. It's gonna be big.

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Speaker 4: This is going to change our relationship expectations.

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 1: It's that good.

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Speaker 2: And to Isaac's right, the one and only Brent Reeves, Brent,

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Speaker 2: good to see it really looking sharp today.

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Speaker 6: Man, let me tell you, the only thing I know

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Speaker 6: about women is they've been in my trouble since I

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Speaker 6: figured out they wouldn't men.

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Speaker 7: That's that's that's a whaling jens, A line from a

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, get back in your chair. Sorry, Well you.

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Speaker 1: Have You have some great women in your life, as

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Speaker 2: Of course, Brent is wearing a full cry that hat.

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Speaker 2: When I saw I hadn't mentioned your hat yet. I

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Speaker 2: really wish I had a hat like that. I would

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Speaker 2: wear it. It's a it's an vintage foam hat home

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Speaker 2: trucker hat with full cry. So Full Cry is a

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Speaker 2: print coon hunting Hound Hunting magazine that has just been

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Speaker 2: kind of revitalized by one of our friends out in Washington, Jason.

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Speaker 1: And his wife Danny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, Full Cry is an old school. I

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Speaker 1: Full Cry was started as a print magazine.

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Speaker 4: They got a good shout out in the podcast.

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Speaker 2: My picture was in Full Cry magazine in nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 4: How old were you?

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Speaker 2: I was sixteen, Okay, and I was. I had just

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Speaker 2: got Newcomb's Southern Wash itall Blue Thunder registered Bluetick and

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Speaker 2: sending a picture to like the readers the reader's submissions. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that I think you took the picture right out

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Speaker 2: in front of our house of me with a little puppy.

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Speaker 1: He's wearing my car heart hat, and U.

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Speaker 5: Your outdoor career has been downhill ever since.

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Speaker 8: Is more excited about those dog papers than he is.

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Speaker 8: He feels the same way about those as I feel

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Speaker 8: about when we get the kids social Security numbers.

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Speaker 3: I can see that.

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Speaker 2: So I just had to mention Brent's hat and just

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Speaker 2: to you guys that I'm very very seriously considering, is uh,

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Speaker 2: you know how the late show, the talk show hosts,

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Speaker 2: a live band that's just always there, just always waiting,

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Speaker 2: start out with a song, a song, something funny happens,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, go, I want a banjo player here

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Speaker 2: all the time. No, it can't be Misty. It's got

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Speaker 5: Just the personality comes out in the banjo, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean that because their job is not really to talk,

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Speaker 5: You're looking for a banjo playing quest love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't need necessarily a contributor, but I would be like,

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Speaker 2: imagine this podcast starts intros over and I go and I.

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Speaker 2: And then we start talking thanks man, and then I'm

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Speaker 2: like like halfway through, after a good story, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: It's like too long.

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Speaker 8: I'll be honest a little bit like this is Clay's

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Speaker 8: expectations for me, just in our normal everyday life. Not

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, well, I uh and and and

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Speaker 2: it's got to you know. I like musicians that just

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Speaker 3: Are you advertising list? No position.

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Speaker 2: It will be appointed like a like a like a dictator,

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Speaker 2: appointing like a lead person to oversee something in his government.

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Speaker 8: He doesn't realize he's much more in a dictator, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'll take a benevolent dicta take.

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Speaker 2: A benevolent dictator over a crooked politician any day.

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Speaker 1: A crooked elected.

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Speaker 4: Politicians going right into right into it. You're going right

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Speaker 2: I've been energized, Yeah, yeah, I've been energized by by

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Speaker 2: the story and life of Barry Tarleton.

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Speaker 1: He so good.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about that, Brent. So just a little

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Speaker 2: follow up. Ken's reward if you remember, on last episode

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Speaker 2: of Bear Grease, Brent told a story about getting an

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Speaker 2: American quarter horse named Ken's Reward, and we put out

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Speaker 2: an actual horse. Yep, he was born, and we had

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Speaker 4: Give a little context actual people who didn't listen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, so Brent has a podcast called This Country Life,

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Speaker 2: and that's another complicated part of being in the Bear

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Speaker 2: Grease world. This is like a normal podcast where you

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Speaker 2: three guys just like yipping all the time.

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Speaker 1: No, you gotta have your brain on.

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Speaker 2: See, there's the Bear Grease documentary style podcast, the Bear

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Speaker 4: Very good.

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Speaker 2: So Brent told a story about a quarter horse wild entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Brent told the story on his podcast about his dad

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Speaker 2: a great deal, and that in Ada, Oklahoma, I roughte

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Speaker 2: it home and the horse was a bronc. It bucked

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how long was that period of time? We didn't

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Speaker 2: And so I wanted to know the story of Ken's reward,

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Speaker 5: Where did the progeny?

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Speaker 1: Who is Ken? I mean that's a if you're a

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Speaker 1: Well that's what we want to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so so we've had many people that have

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Speaker 2: for the American quarter horse Kin's reward. You can track

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Speaker 2: it back generations. The horse was born on April first,

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Speaker 3: My birth, Well, oh, I was thirteen, you.

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Speaker 1: So and Brentwood had it that part.

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Speaker 3: I hadn't. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the horse.

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Speaker 2: Died in two thousand and four, So when do you

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Speaker 3: It would have been nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: So the horse who had been seven or eight years old,

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Speaker 1: kind of giving them a chance.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was excellent.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, but the.

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Speaker 2: APB that went to the world was that if I

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Speaker 2: understand why the horse was named Ken's Reward, that I

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Speaker 2: would give him a genuine plot tree the Ozark coonskinhat,

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Speaker 2: and Brent would give him a case nine. We've had

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Speaker 2: many generous donations to the Information Ben, but nobody has

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Speaker 2: yet to bring us real answers that we're looking for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My life would

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Speaker 1: UHL. Graduations, Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to be able to hang spailers.

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Speaker 2: So let's I want to oh, Long Hunters, Long Hunters, man,

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Speaker 2: what were you going to say?

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Speaker 1: Steve Ranella and I.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like an audio book better.

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Speaker 1: And it's called Long Hunters.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen sixty one to seventeen seventy five and basically there

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Speaker 1: So it's it's it. You can pre order it now,

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Speaker 1: I've got a link. You can just.

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Speaker 5: Look it up in the description.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but but it comes out on January the ninth.

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Speaker 5: And two thoughts. One serious when I hear you and

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Speaker 5: but I've just got did you ever listen to roy

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Speaker 5: D mercer. Yeah, all I can hear is how long

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Speaker 1: And so I'm serious one of the funny one that's

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Speaker 5: All I can say is I feel like it's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he died.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, he could be riding's reward.

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Speaker 5: The seri pious question is did I did I understand

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Speaker 1: It's if this goes well.

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Speaker 2: And that's why we're like petitioning our people. You are

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Speaker 5: You have full control over whether or not this. I mean,

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Speaker 2: That's the way media works, especially with these big publishers,

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Speaker 1: So that's it that I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 2: Need to ask Missy a question. First, Misty was not

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Speaker 8: So I actually talked to Clay about this after you

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Speaker 8: And and as he was telling me, he said, one

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Speaker 8: are retired, are retired plotthound. He he loves the sound

447
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 8: of his own voice.

448
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: What exactly did he retire from?

449
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: That's what I well, it's a very actually a very

450
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: accurate term for him.

451
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: I can explain more, but yeah, yeah, so.

452
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 4: The Jed loves the sound of his own voice and.

453
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,479
Speaker 1: Had a hard time being whatever they have been.

454
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the only that's the only flaw in my

455
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 8: logic is Jedi at Night in particularly loves to just

456
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 8: make melodic house that are disconnected from anything happening.

457
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, yeah, No, jedis retired because his business

458
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: partner is dead.

459
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 8: He wasn't a great hunter, yeah, just anion he was.

460
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: He was Fern's hype girl.

461
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah he was.

462
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: Exactly.

463
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 5: No.

464
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: I just I wanted to hear. I wanted to hear

465
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: what you thought about that. You know, I didn't We

466
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: didn't do this last time, but I want to do it.

467
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: There's a lot of plot people that will be listening

468
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: to this. I want to go around the room and

469
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: tell me if you think the dogs were on the ship.

470
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: Let me just like simple answer, were they on the

471
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: ship or did did George plot developed the plot hounds

472
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: train from dogs that were here because that's that's the question.

473
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: Did they come from German, did the stock come from Germany?

474
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: Or and where their dogs on that ship? And you'd

475
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: have to go back to listen to I mean, we

476
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: talked for an hour extensively about this idea, and really

477
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: the episode was about oral tradition versus written record words,

478
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: and I have a strong stance on it. It's like

479
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: the written records of the seventeen fifties. Wait, are you

480
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: going to tip your hand before we all? No, No,

481
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna paint the picture. Written records from the

482
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: seventeen fifties that we have today undoubtedly would be a

483
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: dim record of reality. That's just a pill that everybody's

484
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: gonna have to swallow. Point number two, there are no records,

485
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: written records that we can put our hands on today

486
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: of dogs coming from Germany. So it's like it's just

487
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: that simple. But dad Gary Nukolm, what do you think

488
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: were those dogs?

489
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: Show? You know?

490
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 10: I went into some detail which obviously no one listens

491
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 10: to their old man.

492
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 9: It's not absolutely they were on that ship.

493
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 10: And the reason I say that, and I went into

494
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 10: detail saying that this was you're the only one.

495
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 9: So I gave it to that an illiterate family.

496
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 10: These people were intelligent people, could communicate very well, and

497
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 10: they told the story and passed it down. And if

498
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 10: you just I've forgotten some of their names, but you know, George, George, Henry, Yeah,

499
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 10: George Henry, Henry lived in the house in eighteen o three.

500
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 10: And then you get by, you get up to Vine

501
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 10: in the sixties. It wasn't that big of a deal

502
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 10: for George to tell Henry and Henry tell Monty or

503
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 10: you know. It just it wasn't that big of a deal,

504
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 10: and there was no reason to lie about it. You're

505
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 10: not bragging about bringing dogs over. You just go, well, well,

506
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 10: uncle George brought those dogs over on the ship. I

507
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 10: go with that absolutely unequickly. Okay they were on the ship.

508
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: Okay, believer, We got one believer, Josh.

509
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 3: My great grandfather, John Leon Artists, immigrated from Greece in

510
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: nineteen fifteen, came through Ellis Island. I have been to

511
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: Ellis Island and I have searched the records on the

512
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: ship for the ship's manifest and cannot find his name.

513
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 3: I know he immigrated from Greece. I know he came

514
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: over on a ship I'm one hundred percent they brought

515
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: the dogs over. I have to believe they brought the

516
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: dogs over.

517
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: Wow.

518
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: My grandfather told me repelling of him coming over here

519
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: and him being sent.

520
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 2: To do I would like to command the land bridge

521
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: for it was a good, compelling, concise, definitive answer.

522
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 3: That was good. Brought the dogs over. They might not

523
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: be on the manifest, big big deal. When was this?

524
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: When what I mean in the seventeen.

525
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty years ago?

526
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I like it.

527
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: I like it.

528
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: We got we got two believers of six Misty on

529
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: the ship. You're like, they smuggled those dogs over.

530
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 8: Well, even if they didn't smuggle them over, I think

531
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 8: that it would. You know, these were people coming from

532
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 8: from Europe to to the US, and I just think

533
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 8: that maybe they valued the dogs. If they're saying they

534
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 8: value the dogs, they valued the dogs. But maybe the

535
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 8: people on the ship didn't value the dogs and write

536
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 8: it down. I think there's tons of reasons why they

537
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 8: wouldn't be on a manifest. Yeah, And I mean like

538
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 8: they probably also didn't say if they had mirrors or

539
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 8: hair brushes or things like that. I mean, whoever's on

540
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 8: the ship is going to assign value to what gets recorded.

541
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: J's plot brought two hair brushes. They had one.

542
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: Mirror cryogenically frozen and put in a carry on and

543
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: reanimated when they got to the States. Nobody would have

544
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: ever known.

545
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, now, okay, Isaac, you can't be you

546
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: can't be influenced by what's been said.

547
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: I already had my answer. What do you think were

548
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 5: they on the ship? They were on the ship for

549
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: two reasons, Okay. One, Like Gary said, there's no there's

550
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 5: no advantage to them lying at the time that they

551
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: were passing the story along. It's not like they were

552
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 5: like snake oil salesman ring around the country trying to

553
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 5: sell them, and.

554
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: They weren't trying to start a breathe.

555
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: People.

556
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 5: People were buying them, but it was because they were

557
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 5: great dogs. There was no story necessary for that. Number Two,

558
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 5: it's a great story and there's just absolutely no downside

559
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 5: to believing it.

560
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 9: I could get at all.

561
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that's a way better story.

562
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

563
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like I am, in general a fun guy,

564
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: so I believe it.

565
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

566
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 9: I was not the daddy Daddy senior in Germany. He

567
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 9: had a little wealth, didn't he.

568
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: Well he the story, the oral tradition is that he

569
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: worked for a wealthy guy. So he would essentially be

570
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: the estate manager of somebody that had some big chunk

571
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: of ground in Germany. That's and that was a common position,

572
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: and that guy would have been in charge of dogs,

573
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: and would have been in charge of hunts and the grounds,

574
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: and so.

575
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 10: That's if you couldn't bring dogs with you the owner

576
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 10: of all that game that they were, you know, it

577
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 10: would have been real easy to influence people. Hey, let

578
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 10: the boy bring the dogs on the ship. If that

579
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 10: was a problem, which it probably was not a problem.

580
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't a big deal for dogs to

581
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: come over from England. I mean they did all the time.

582
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm kind of shocked.

583
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: We've got four so far of six that are believers.

584
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: Brent one. They were not on that ship.

585
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 6: Now only if they started out with five hundred, maybe

586
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 6: five survived. But he got a brother that dies, there's

587
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 6: so how much food they're gonna put on that ship.

588
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: They got to feed them dogs. If his brothers died

589
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: because he was starving or whatever. The issue was. Them folks,

590
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: they would eat them dogs before they ever got there.

591
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: We didn't die because he was starving. We don't know

592
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: why he died.

593
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: You don't know why not everybody died. But what I'm

594
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: saying is, Kirby, if you die on the ship, it's

595
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: usually because it's it's.

596
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: Got to be scirvy.

597
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 6: They could have made him walk the plank. Nobody knows.

598
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 6: What I'm saying is them dogs wasn't on this ship.

599
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Okay. So from the evidence that you you heard in the.

600
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 6: There's no evidence that they were on the ship. That's

601
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 6: the deal, right, So, and I just don't I don't

602
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 6: think it was. I mean, it wasn't like going on

603
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 6: a cruise is now it was easy, Okay.

604
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: I don't mean to throw possum in the hen house,

605
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: as we say, But this is coming from a staunch,

606
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: long time generational Walker man. It would be to his

607
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: benefit to tarnish the reputation, the story, the history, the

608
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: legacy of the plot hound.

609
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: It would be it would be to his advantage for

610
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: people to be there. Those plot hounds don't mean anything

611
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: to me.

612
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm getting a walker. I'm going to

613
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: join the rest of America.

614
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: I don't get a walk.

615
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 6: I wish they all had plots I wish everybody had them,

616
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 6: and that's not That is not a stance or a

617
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 6: platform that I'm willing to accept. The stand on't know,

618
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 6: it takes nothing away from how special that story is,

619
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 6: because there's two stories. There's a story they brought them

620
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 6: over in the story that they didn't. So but I

621
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 6: just believe it doesn't discount it. One doesn't bring any

622
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 6: discredit to what that family has done, what.

623
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: That And I think I think that's the reason that

624
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: we can.

625
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it better. No, I ain't

626
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: through yet, Josh, you.

627
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 9: Move on.

628
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: I like this story better having dogs from America doing.

629
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: It America.

630
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 9: Agenda. You have an agenda you're working on.

631
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: That's a US A baby quote. Bailey react, exactly right.

632
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's your stance?

633
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Clay Well, I find myself in a precarious situation here.

634
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: I got an email from a dear friend of mine

635
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: a few days ago, renowned historian. I don't think he

636
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: would mind me bringing up his name. Doctor Brooks Blevins

637
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: is a hero of the Burgers podcast.

638
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 10: Uh.

639
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: He is a prolific writer, academic historian based out of.

640
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: Springfield, Missouri, State Queen the Queen City.

641
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah so, Brooks is This is the way I describe

642
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: Brooks as expert as anybody could be at their field.

643
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: He is the expert of the ozarks. I mean like

644
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: you could take a rocket scientist from wherever and and

645
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: and analyze their knowledge of their field, and it would

646
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: in anybody in the world.

647
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be.

648
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: Brooks.

649
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: Blevins would be equivalent in his knowledge of the ozarks.

650
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: He's bone of He is bonafide that is not relevant

651
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: to this, but he is an academic and is a researcher.

652
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: He wrote me an email and he said, Clay really

653
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: enjoyed the plotound episode. He said, I never thought I

654
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: would hear Palatina the Palatina of Palatinate of Germany mentioned

655
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: it's a region of Germany. Yeah, I'm pronounced wrong, and

656
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: he said. He said, but I've been around these narratives

657
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 2: enough to know that when you go down the trail,

658
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: some of these romantic stories usually aren't true. And he said,

659
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: I I don't think the dogs, he doesn't think the

660
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: dogs are on the ship.

661
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 6: I here, right here is where a field needs to

662
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 6: put in the what's that law and order?

663
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 4: If I had the banjo guy and be like hit it.

664
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 9: Many.

665
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: He was actually on my list, but Myron means has

666
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: too much to contribute. Yeah, it would be hard to

667
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: ignore Myron. I want a banjo player I can ignore.

668
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 9: So check this out.

669
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 5: If you were around me for more than twenty four hours.

670
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: I like how we just changed the subject really quickly.

671
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: Keep it.

672
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 5: Quote one of three authors, Jose Ortega, You got said,

673
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 5: the most prolific Spanish language philosopher of the twentieth century.

674
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 5: He wrote Meditations on Hunting. Yes, foundational.

675
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: You talk about him NonStop, NonStop.

676
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 9: I asked Clay twice.

677
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 5: I asked Clay twice in an eighteen hour period if

678
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 5: you'd read Meditations on Hunting. It just cycles through my brain.

679
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 5: Wendleberry prolific theologian, poet, Yes, outdoor thinker insane Brooks Blevins.

680
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: Yes, those are the three guys we talk about.

681
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: Are you saying your change lens changing your side here?

682
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying because somebody said Brooks, I.

683
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 5: Hold him in the utmost esteem and he is dead wrong.

684
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: Just me and my fellow sophisticate mm hmm.

685
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 5: It pains me to not be on the same team

686
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: as Brent Reeves.

687
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: And you still didn't say what you think well.

688
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: I don't think he wants to say what you think.

689
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: That's fair.

690
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 5: He's the moderator.

691
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm a I am not on the outside

692
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: of this like all y'all are. I'm on the inside.

693
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: And then the family in the family. In the family,

694
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: we keep things in the family.

695
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, Clay will basically not sell a dog plot hound

696
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 8: like my whole life. He'll be like, man, that dog

697
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 8: is worth so much, but we'll never get a penny

698
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 8: for it, because he only gives them away to select

699
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 8: people who he believes can can pull the best out of.

700
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: The I'm a I'm a deep first generation plot man.

701
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, that's how it gets started.

702
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: One day they'll talk about the Newcomb Farm plot hounds.

703
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: No they won't.

704
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: The retired one is the.

705
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 2: So this this, this episode just just reeks, reeks of

706
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: so many ver greasy things that that I'm interested in.

707
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: And it was I told Mistery told several people these stories.

708
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: It might seem easy. This story was hard to tell

709
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: in a way because it was so it really was

710
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: a personal story, a family story. And by easy, I

711
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: don't mean like like gathering the content was. I mean, yeah,

712
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: there was challenges to that at different times. But just

713
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: like handling someone's family story is more significant to me

714
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: than like the outcome of like did it do good

715
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: or or would people like it? My first concern is

716
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: always the people that are opening themselves up. And this

717
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: is a story that's not been told like nobody regionally,

718
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: Barry Charlton is known, and in the plot world, Barry

719
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: Tarleton is known, but you know, there's not books about

720
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: about him, or he's not a folk hero on a

721
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: national level. And that's that's what I love about a

722
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: story like this, and and and it's so to me

723
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: cool to know that there are stories like this that

724
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: are untold.

725
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: And but Dad, general impressions.

726
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: Of the Barry Tarlton story, what was your favorite part?

727
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: What what did you think about it?

728
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 10: Well, I can relate to being lazy. The guy offended me,

729
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 10: I'm telling you. When Tracy said that, I mean, come on, hey,

730
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 10: it was awesome. It was just really unbelievable to me,

731
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 10: the the way that it was woven together. And you know,

732
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 10: you had dogs, you had people, you had I loved

733
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 10: the movie Walking Tall. You remember that the beef stickd Pusser. Yeah,

734
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 10: he cleaned up the county and Tennessee I just that

735
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 10: sounds like the same guy to me.

736
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

737
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 8: Yeah.

738
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 9: And then the old.

739
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 10: Movie in the song White Lightning years ago, Man, that

740
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 10: was just my favorite. Robert Mitcham running Moonshine and hit

741
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 10: that electrical deal and blue you know.

742
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: Uh so the.

743
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 10: Intrigue of the outlaws, the shootouts, the boys hitting the ditch,

744
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 10: you know, fred are gonna get shot. Uh I enjoyed

745
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 10: that more than the dogs. But the dog part was

746
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 10: really awesome too.

747
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: I just I thought, well, I thought Tracy did a

748
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: phenomenal job, and of anybody on planet Earth, he would

749
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: be as qualified as anyone to talk about this when

750
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: he said, like, yeah, you're you and me are kind

751
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: of intrigued by the by the pizzaz of you know.

752
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 9: Tommy gunn bailing out on the other side.

753
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm thinking Bonnie and Clyde they couldn't get

754
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 10: out of the car in time. This guy, he got

755
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 10: out in time. He shut down some boys with Tommy guns.

756
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 9: Yeah shotgun.

757
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 2: Well okay, and so you know, it's fun to talk

758
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: about that. But if it was me who had been

759
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: out on the street today and had been shot at

760
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: and had returned fire and came home and told my

761
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: wife that like literally could have been killed. I mean,

762
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: it's a different story when it's real. And to me,

763
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: that's what And I'd never met Barry Charlton. I know Tracy,

764
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: I know Ben, I know a lot of people that

765
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: were around him. I watched an extensive interview that you know,

766
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: that interview. I picked five like thirty second clips that

767
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: Barry Charleton interview. There's a full interview with him. Is

768
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: you realize in like Tracy said, like it was a

769
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: terrible thing, It wasn't. He wasn't doing it for fame.

770
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: He wasn't doing it because so they make a TV

771
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: show about him that it wasn't like Moonshiner's you know

772
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: on Channel twelve Barry Tarleton and Barry's like twirling his

773
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 2: pistol and shooting people. He literally his brothers were murdered

774
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: and he was angry at them. I mean, and so

775
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 2: there was not a Hollywood shine on it. I mean,

776
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: this is a man that came from such poverty that

777
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: they were fattening possums to eat it. And he is

778
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: in the midst of really the American dream of financial

779
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: financial increase over time at a time when America was

780
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: kind of blossoming, and here he is, and he's on

781
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: this kind of upward trajectory from abject poverty to having

782
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 2: a good job and having a car and being able

783
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 2: to provide for his family. But then there's this thing

784
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: that's in his community that's killing people, and he's like, no,

785
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: this is getting in the way of this life that

786
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: I want for my children from my family. And it

787
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: was ugly, you know, and I think Tracy did a

788
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: good job of de romanticizing it, you know, just saying, oh,

789
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: the moonshine was terrible.

790
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: You know, it really wrecked a lot of people. But

791
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: that's what was.

792
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 10: So in truth, he was, to me a real hero.

793
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 10: And so many of y'all, not me, have this little

794
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 10: hero guy and girl inside you that never really has

795
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 10: an opportunity to come forth. Sergeant York just an old

796
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 10: farmer War War One, and then who's the guy in

797
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 10: World War Two?

798
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: Audie Murphy.

799
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 10: I mean, these guys they were just they were just

800
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 10: little little guys, but when they were put under pressure,

801
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 10: they were tremendous heroes. And he was a tremendous hero.

802
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 10: I mean he went into his community and said, Hey,

803
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 10: I'm gonna clean this mess up. Yeah, and he could

804
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 10: have been killed. And then he loved bear hunting, I.

805
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 9: Mean to the point where he was wild eyed.

806
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

807
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, So I just thought he was an awesome, awesome guy,

808
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 10: and I put him right up there with the heroes

809
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 10: of our country.

810
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

811
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 5: Can you imagine working a shift at the milk plant

812
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 5: with that guy? What did you do last night?

813
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 9: Oh?

814
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 5: I caught the radio program What About You Well, and

815
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 5: he wouldn't have been braggadocious about it, I imagine, just

816
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 5: totally deadpan. Got shot up by some Tommy guns and

817
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 5: I shot one of them with a shotgun. After that,

818
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 5: I went bear hunting.

819
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: I bet nobody messed with his lunch.

820
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 11: And hey, before you go too far, I want to

821
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 11: hear what missed he says about women.

822
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 9: I tell you, I've got some strong thoughts about Hazel.

823
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 10: I'm just yeah, me too, really, I think I have.

824
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, you know, well, yeah, Clay was just

825
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 8: saying that he was he was. I think he was

826
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 8: a little concerned at how people might take that part

827
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 8: of the story. And we were I had just listened

828
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 8: to it and we were just eating.

829
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: So there's a part on the podcast where where Tracy

830
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: describes the routine of his grandfather, which was.

831
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: So good, like it was, I mean, I like it.

832
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 2: I commend people for paying attention to stuff and being

833
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: able to like, could I describe the routine of lew

834
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: and Nukem my grandfather? I mean no, I mean I

835
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: have some ideas of the way he lived his life,

836
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: but anyway, I just I thought it was really neat

837
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: the way he just had all that laid out and described.

838
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 2: But it's certainly and tracy Tracy he said it. He said,

839
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: you might hear that story and think that this is

840
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: this poor little woman being run over by some and

841
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: and I mean he was just like.

842
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: She's the hero in the story. In my opinion. Let

843
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: me tell you, my grandmother and great grandmother were like that.

844
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: And it was their schedule, not my grandfather or my

845
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: great grandfather's schedule. It was their schedule. They were doing that.

846
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want warm food, you better be here.

847
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 3: The story of the that.

848
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Way, Well, tell me what you said.

849
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 8: Yes, So Clay was just saying that he was concerned.

850
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 8: I was like, Man, if people hear that in any way,

851
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 8: they that that kind of set up is actually and

852
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 8: if you really if you look historically at and people

853
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 8: could argue with this, and and and people will and

854
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 8: I don't really care, but that type of marriage actually

855
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 8: does have quite a bit of of equality inside of it.

856
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 4: There they have different roles.

857
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 8: They're not thinking about they're not thinking about he's working

858
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 8: a shift, he's coming home work on a job. She's

859
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 8: managing the homestead. Her what she is doing is not paid,

860
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 8: is not compensated work, but it is tremendously valuable.

861
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 3: To the home.

862
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 8: And if you look at Appalachian history, you see that,

863
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 8: you hear that inside of of the stories that they

864
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 8: tell about the women who who built these homesteads. Number One,

865
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 8: they're tough, they can work pretty hard. What they're doing

866
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 8: is actually to keep those homes running. And if you

867
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 8: look at like Hunter gather societies, and there's imperfections, and

868
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 8: there's big issues like the way women have been treated

869
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 8: for eons or generations. There's big issues, but there is

870
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 8: inside of a high functioning home a level of egalitarian

871
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 8: relationships that exist. And that's just her role. They're just surviving.

872
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 8: That is just like she's going to take care of

873
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 8: the home stuff. He's going to go out to the

874
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 8: factory and work. They're gonna bring he's gonna go get

875
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 8: meat from from elsewhere. It's not it's not to say

876
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 8: say it's not to say it's only like since agriculture

877
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 8: and society shifted towards them more, it was in the

878
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 8: like agrarian cultures that things, certain things became more valuable than.

879
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: What you said was that in the in going way back,

880
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: the hunter gatherers societies, Yeah, the women often had more

881
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: rights or more rights than.

882
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Even women would today. Am I am I hearing you

883
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: say that?

884
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: Right?

885
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 8: Well, I didn't say that. I said in hunter gathered societies,

886
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 8: it was there was more equality inside of inside of

887
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 8: the structure to the well, I mean they could Yeah,

888
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 8: I wouldn't say it in the terms of rights, but

889
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 8: there was more equality inside of the structure of the

890
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 8: home because each played a part and those parts were

891
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 8: very valuable. Yeah, and so those were the relationship was

892
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 8: actually a very mutually beneficial and as as we became

893
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 8: more agrarian, that's where that started to shift.

894
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

895
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: And one thing that I said as I was trying

896
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: to again I'm wanting to tell the story accurately and

897
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: not wanting because you're just getting such a little snippets.

898
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: I mean, we did a whole hour and four minutes

899
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: on this guy. And it's like, we didn't get the

900
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: whole story, you know, I mean we got parts of it.

901
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: But the opening scene of the podcast, which I loved,

902
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: was me evesdropping on a phone call between Tracy, his

903
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: aunt and Tracy's mother. And in the story of the

904
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: car getting blown up, what was Barry Tarleton doing when

905
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: the car got blown up?

906
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 4: Heating up a bottle?

907
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: He was heating up a baby bottle.

908
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's like getting ready for work to right,

909
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: He's getting ready for work. And and and she told

910
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: him he was going to go scold the dogs because

911
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: the dogs were going crazy, his bear dogs. And she said,

912
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: don't worry about those dogs. Heat up that youngin's bottle.

913
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: I mean she you know, I mean, you kind of

914
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: get these little peaks. She wasn't some lady that got

915
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: all beat up. She loved him and they and they

916
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: really did. And then and then I wanted to include

917
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: the story of him talking about meeting her. I mean,

918
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: this is an eighty four year old man. They've been

919
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: married for sixty three years. There's a lot of outcomes

920
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: of a marriage that long. If you said, how'd you

921
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: meet your wife? I mean I don't know. Barry told

922
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: it passionately, like I just could tell he liked that story.

923
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say. A marriage of

924
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 5: sixty three years with a setup like that does not

925
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 5: last without mutual respect and adoration and all those things.

926
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 5: It's not one that is built on domination, you know.

927
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 10: I you know, this day and time, people don't believe

928
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 10: the way I believe. But that is an important part

929
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 10: of our society. I mean, I'm bigger and stronger than Hazel.

930
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,959
Speaker 10: I can go out and haul logs. I can bring

931
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 10: money in. Your job is really more important. You raise

932
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 10: the kids. I mean, she's got her imprint on little kids.

933
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 10: Every day she's taken care of them. She's I mean,

934
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 10: it's a bigger job. The job of the man back

935
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 10: then was probably easier. It's it's if this offends you,

936
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 10: you need to do a little research, You need to

937
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 10: do a little thinking. Because this was a beautiful relationship.

938
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 10: She loved doing it. He needed it done for him

939
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 10: so he could put all his energy.

940
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were a team.

941
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 9: Into into the Pitts milk plant yep, you know an

942
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 9: hour home.

943
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he needed a copilot to drive the boonshine back.

944
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 10: To me, the women are the big heroes of the

945
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 10: world period, and uh just because they and they love

946
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 10: taking care of a husband, children. There's nothing that's no honorable.

947
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 10: It's no honorable. Now our world has changed. It started

948
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 10: changing in the fifties where women went to war work.

949
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 10: Now then all of a sudden, you know, we we're

950
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 10: sharing these duties. And a lot of times the women

951
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 10: are more gifted than the men, and they can move

952
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 10: up and bring more money home like Misty does over.

953
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: And that's what you do now, you stay home.

954
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 3: Playing gold.

955
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 8: Also, I think the system, the economic systems have changed

956
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 8: a lot as well. I mean the like if you

957
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 8: think about what was required to put food on the

958
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 8: table at that time. I mean, if we're gonna like

959
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 8: grind wheat, we to put food on the table and

960
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 8: and have sour dough and smoke. If they're going to

961
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 8: kill a bear that you smoke so that the kids

962
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 8: can eat in the wintertime, that's a lot of work

963
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 8: that you can't do that has to be done during

964
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 8: daylight hours because you also don't even have running water.

965
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 8: And I mean they were talking about not having a

966
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 8: toilet in the house, so that stuff has.

967
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 4: To be done.

968
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: That was that you're mixing your podcast.

969
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 5: That's one big story, Hazel.

970
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: Hazel and and Barry. We're a little further in time.

971
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 4: Okay, but but still I'm just saying, like he's got.

972
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 2: John Plot wouldn't go to the bathroom at the house,

973
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: that's right, which actually is very reasonable.

974
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you imagine caves in your house. He's like, hey,

975
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: I need to go, and he's like going to go

976
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: in the house.

977
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 4: It's true. Yeah, I thought of it like that till

978
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: the podcast.

979
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 8: But from my point of being like, it's it's an

980
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 8: economic I mean, there's there's a massive economic contribution that

981
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 8: she's making.

982
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 4: To the house by having all that stuff done.

983
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 8: I think that people don't realize with convenience food, with

984
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 8: the way that we live now, some of those things

985
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 8: have are are removed.

986
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 4: But and there were.

987
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 8: Societal constraints on on on women. Sure, but I just

988
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 8: think that in a house like that, where every it

989
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 8: is a team, we're not looking at who's got thought Tracy.

990
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 2: It was cool when you're talking to Tracy there's always

991
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: this little side just side philosophies or is that he

992
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: talked about. I mean, like him saying that she only

993
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: she only went to town once a week and wouldn't go

994
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: out with other makeup. And he said, you know today

995
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: country means you dressed down. He said, back in the day,

996
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: the mountain people I was around, they dressed up to

997
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: go out like they were interested in putting on their

998
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: best yeh.

999
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: And then to move it a little further along. He

1000
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: he we.

1001
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: Actually talked and had this like big section about kind

1002
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: of like modern economics around land, and I had to

1003
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: condense it.

1004
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 9: Like way down.

1005
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 4: I was super interesting.

1006
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: Because he said, he said, Barry's mom and dad were

1007
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: would have been like a dirt poor people who well,

1008
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: let me, let me, let's move it to Barry. Barry

1009
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: worked for twenty five cents an hour at a milk

1010
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: plant and was able to buy a relatively sizable farm. Yeah,

1011
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: by the time Tracy's father, who we didn't bring up

1012
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: on the podcast, but you know, Barry's son was Tracy's father,

1013
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: he had to work a job in town to and

1014
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 2: run a farm. By the time Tracy, now basically the

1015
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: farm is not producing money. You got to have a

1016
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: job to even have a farm.

1017
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: And then his son.

1018
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: Will struggle with the wages. You either have to inherit

1019
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: a farm or with the wages that are paid to

1020
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: the average person. And I mean, I think this is

1021
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: not just East Tennessee, to be much of the world.

1022
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: You're not gonna just work a normal job as a

1023
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: plumber or as a even a heck, even an insurance

1024
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: agent or whatever and be able to probably go buy

1025
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: a big farm without some kind of external help. And anyway,

1026
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: what happened in Europe is happening here, and it's just

1027
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,240
Speaker 2: the economics of a civilize like we came into the

1028
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: The settlement of America is so unique to the world.

1029
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: I mean in recorded history, there has never been a

1030
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 2: big spot on a map that was just settled this quickly.

1031
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: And obviously there's there's a lot of problems with you know,

1032
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: I mean, this place was a grand civilization of the

1033
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 2: Native American tribes with Europeans got here and they were

1034
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: like wilderness, and the Native Americans were like nor civilization

1035
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: we've been, so you know, there's all that, But but

1036
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: the expansion of America, it's like the people that were

1037
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 2: most destitute, like the long hunters, they were the ones

1038
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: going to the edge of the frontier. And and all

1039
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: those people that were settling in East Tennessee on that

1040
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: rough mountain land.

1041
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: There were poor people. People didn't want that land. And

1042
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: now the.

1043
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 2: Economics of the country has grown so much. Land is

1044
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: so valuable. There's so many people wanting to come here.

1045
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: That rough land that is not valuable for agriculture is

1046
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 2: now worth a ton of money. Anyway, it's just it's

1047
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: it's what happened in Europe, it's happening here, my grandma.

1048
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: Is nothing that we can do about it. It's not

1049
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: like bad or good. It's just the way it is.

1050
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 6: My grandmother told me that her grandpa when in that

1051
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 6: area where I'm from down there, he said, a gallon

1052
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 6: of whiskey and an acre of land costs a dollar each.

1053
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 6: And if her father, her grandfather, has spent all the

1054
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 6: money he spent on whiskey on land, the millionaires, they

1055
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 6: would have named that county after us.

1056
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: We'd own it all.

1057
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 6: So I mean that was I you think about that. Yeah,

1058
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 6: an acre of land that's put timber on it a dollar?

1059
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1060
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 10: So every generation, Hey, pull your mic now, every generation

1061
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 10: has those stories. And there's stuff at there today that

1062
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 10: will be told fifty years That old Gary Nukele he

1063
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 10: had just if he had just.

1064
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: Done this saved ten thousand dollars an acre for that land.

1065
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's a great that's a great point because one

1066
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 12: day we will, should the earth persist, which I'm not

1067
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 12: sure that it will.

1068
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: Uh we they'll talk about us like we're talking about

1069
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: Barry Charlton. Sure, And I mean I've got stories about

1070
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: dad when we first kids. You know, you could have

1071
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: bought one hundred and eighty acres for five hundred dollars

1072
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: an acre in western Arkansas and the primary and I

1073
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: mean like ninety thousand dollars, we could have had one

1074
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty acres, which today that land is worth

1075
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: who knows what I mean.

1076
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, got it if we'd have just

1077
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: bought it.

1078
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there's always this this economic thing going on,

1079
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: and at the time it's always expensive. Like at the

1080
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: time that was too much money for Gary Nukeom. Now

1081
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: it's like shoot man, ninety grand for one hundred and

1082
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: eighty prime acres.

1083
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: Like, we'll figure out a way.

1084
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 4: To do that.

1085
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 10: It doesn't necessarily in the future when they look back,

1086
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 10: it probably will be land, but it could be something

1087
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 10: totally different. You know, we all talk about being from Arkansas,

1088
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 10: we'd a bought Walmart stock you know, Dillard stock Co.

1089
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 10: You know, you know who knows what it is. But

1090
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 10: we're overlooking something to day.

1091
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: It's a good point.

1092
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: Ken's reward.

1093
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: This is a this is also interesting Isaac's favorite part.

1094
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 5: I thought that when was it?

1095
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 3: Ben?

1096
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 5: Is that Jones when he was talking about the basically

1097
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 5: inheritance of his family and his dogs and you guys

1098
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 5: were talking about like how fragile that is. That was

1099
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 5: fascinating to me. It's like if you inherited a million

1100
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 5: dollars that was surrounded by dynamite and there was a

1101
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 5: faulty wire in there or sparking, you're just like one

1102
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 5: small incident away from losing all of it, Like if

1103
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 5: you get your bloodline broken, Like there it goes. But

1104
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 5: like the whole point of having it is putting it

1105
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 5: in a dangerous situation. Yeah, it's that was super fascinating

1106
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 5: to me, Like because you think about all of this

1107
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 5: history that goes into this line of dogs and then

1108
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 5: to think like the whole point is putting them up

1109
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 5: against bears.

1110
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, just kind of blew my mind.

1111
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: Well, when I was standing there with Ben and and

1112
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: I don't know Ben's twenty nine, twenty nine I'm gonna

1113
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: come back to Ben. I'm standing there with all his

1114
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: dogs in this. You remember when I on the first

1115
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: episode said that somebody might bypass in Appalachia a backyard

1116
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: or a little watered hollows. What I said, where they've

1117
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: got the dogs tethered and can come down to get water.

1118
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: Dark brindled dogs going up a hollow man, there is

1119
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: nothing more.

1120
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: If you know, when you see that, you're like, this

1121
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: is special. That's what Roy Clark's house looks like. If

1122
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: you went to Roy Clark's house.

1123
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: You can send one hundred Americans up his road and

1124
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to see what they would say because

1125
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 2: most of them would not see the They just wouldn't

1126
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: know they would. They would see something different to those

1127
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: of us on the inside. Ignorant is well, And I'm

1128
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: standing out and Ben's back with Ben and Tracy's dogs

1129
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: and I don't know. Let's just say there's twenty five

1130
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: dogs there and it's like that's all of them. And now,

1131
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: granted I want to say this, they have close friends

1132
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: that run Houston Valley dogs. I mean it takes more

1133
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 2: than that's not enough. That's not enough, but there's not

1134
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: and I don't know this, so I can say it

1135
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: without like getting in their business. I bet there's not

1136
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: five guys that they're super close with that they breed

1137
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: back and forth.

1138
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, three or four maybe there.

1139
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: But there would also be some historical things that happened

1140
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: years ago, like you know, maybe twenty years ago Barry

1141
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: gave somebody a dog that they kind of still have

1142
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: some of that blood that's kind of disconnected, So you know,

1143
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: there's some of it. But like the core of the

1144
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 2: Houston Valley strained plots is setting right there in front

1145
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: of us.

1146
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those dogs are getting hunted like crazy.

1147
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 10: And yeah, it's been long, small bone with short ears, yeah.

1148
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: He said, a short body, longer legs, short ears and

1149
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: small almost yeah almost black.

1150
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 5: Just enough bad register now now that car, buddy.

1151
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 10: Uh.

1152
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: That's the same way Roy I recorded Roy Clark describing

1153
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: to me the color that he liked in a bear dog,

1154
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: and and the way Roy Clark says it is he says,

1155
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: I can't do my Roy. I've got a great mister Roy.

1156
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: If you hear this, you know how much I love you.

1157
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: I have a great Roy Clark impression. I'm not sure

1158
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: I can do it right now, but he he says,

1159
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: I like them. When they're when twenty feet away from them,

1160
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: you think they're jet black, But when you're right up

1161
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 2: on them, you can see just enough brandle to register him.

1162
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: He basically said the same thing.

1163
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: Ben said, yeah, And now now I don't think I

1164
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: don't there's some people that don't like that.

1165
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I don't want to name any names.

1166
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: There's a there's a there's a there's a sect of

1167
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: plot people that do not like the black ones because

1168
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: historically the dogs were a little more brindle, and there

1169
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 2: was some controversy over the registration of allowing buckskin plots

1170
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: to be registered. Buckskin plots can be look like a

1171
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 2: yellow lab. I mean, you'd see Roy has one, He's

1172
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: got all these black dogs, and then there's a yellow

1173
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: lab sitting there and you're like, what is that?

1174
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: And he's like, it's a plot. Where'd you get it?

1175
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 3: There's no and you turn them anyway in the sun,

1176
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: you can't see any brindle at all.

1177
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: Man, the ones that I've seen, I'm telling you you,

1178
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: you'd put them on a stand in flooded timber.

1179
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: In Arkansas and expect.

1180
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: And he was saying that they may kill me for

1181
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: that if I die, it's because I said that.

1182
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 4: So many reasons for you to die these days.

1183
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: Well, but but point being, the buckskin used to be

1184
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: like this deep traditional thing and it was special. They

1185
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: were special because you'd have just every five generations, you'd

1186
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: have one that would be.

1187
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 3: That's my that's my question when he said clarify for me,

1188
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 3: when he said register, is he talking about register in

1189
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 3: UKC or is he talking about register that you can actually.

1190
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: See No, No, UKC. They can't be jet black if

1191
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: you have a dog yellow one. Well, okay, that's only

1192
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: in the last two years have they allowed buckskin plots

1193
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: to be registered. Nice And it was a major controver,

1194
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: major controversy because what happened was is there became an

1195
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: out here we go again if I died because they

1196
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: killed me. What happened was is that Brendle bear dogs

1197
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: a a prized plot.

1198
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: Hound was a was a buckskin plot.

1199
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: And they accused some guys of breeding in red bones

1200
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: to get buckskin plots, and so so these breeders would

1201
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 2: be like, heck, you need to breed that dog with

1202
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: a buck with a with a red bone, and you'll

1203
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: get all the buckskin plots. You want and be able

1204
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: to sell those for good money. So people were accusing

1205
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: people of doing stuff like that because you could quickly

1206
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: get a buckskinish dog by putting in something red or

1207
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 2: lighter colored. And so that's when some of the guys

1208
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: were like, no buckskins. But buckskins were clearly traditionally inside

1209
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: the breed. And I have talked to me any of

1210
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: prominent plot breeders, and I didn't ask Tracy. Tracy, Tracy

1211
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: probably be listening to this. I would like to know

1212
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: if Houston Valley has ever thrown a buckskin plot to.

1213
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 3: The original five were supposed to be yellow dogs.

1214
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: Of the original five that were definitely on that ship.

1215
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 5: If this mule, what would be considered the flashy variety.

1216
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: Oh, the flashy is the Maltese and buckskin. Now, I

1217
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: don't want to I don't want to put words in.

1218
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: This is all real serious stuff.

1219
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 8: So this is pre technical. I think that we're I

1220
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 8: think we're in the weeds.

1221
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, this is where the meat of this bone

1222
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: is at. Has had a few Maltese plots. His dogs

1223
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: are just like almost jet black, and they'll pump out

1224
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: a Maltese plot. Now, a gray undercoat with black stripes.

1225
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: They're really neat dogs, very hard to come by. So uh, Brent, Yeah, Okay,

1226
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 2: if Miss Nukeman thinks we're in the weeds, she's probably right.

1227
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 9: We are.

1228
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 3: She normally is.

1229
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 5: I don't think being in the weeds.

1230
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: Is wrong, not always, Brent.

1231
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: Just favorite part of the podcast, oh for just analysis,

1232
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: you know.

1233
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 6: Talking about God Man, it was good. I told you

1234
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 6: before we started this may this episode may surpass anything

1235
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 6: that we've ever done, or you've ever done, that we

1236
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 6: ever listened to or talked about.

1237
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 3: It's absolutely wonderful.

1238
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 6: Identified a lot with his hatred for moonshine because my

1239
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 6: moonshine steals were meth labs. I felt the same way. Hmmm,

1240
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 6: So I think that part I really I'm not comparing

1241
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 6: myself to him by any means. I'm just saying that

1242
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 6: I know where he was coming from them.

1243
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1244
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 5: I thought an interesting nuance that they introduced was he

1245
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 5: was like, it's basically depicted as a binary scenario where

1246
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 5: you're either a moonshiner and you're of the people, or

1247
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 5: you're a revenuer and you're whatever. He's like, he didn't

1248
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 5: care about the taxes. Yeah, he cared about what it

1249
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 5: was doing to his community, which is I thought, an

1250
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 5: interesting nuanced view.

1251
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: You know, I'd never well, I have heard that analogy

1252
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: before about that. You know, moonshine is, moonshine is today's

1253
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: like myth and then here we are like glorifying moonshiner's,

1254
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: you know in fifty years where they glorify the meth addicts.

1255
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: You know, but Brent, fifty years from now, I'm gonna

1256
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 2: make a bear grease about you.

1257
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 3: What are you even talking about, Brent?

1258
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 4: Bust that would be good. I'd listen to that one.

1259
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, carry on, Brent, carry on. That was just the start.

1260
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: It was just an opening comment from.

1261
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 2: Why was it the best he's He told me that

1262
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: beforehand he said, Clay, this may have been the best burgers.

1263
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 3: That I liked.

1264
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 6: The when he talked about the routine that he had

1265
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 6: reminded me so much of my grandparents. And then I said,

1266
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 6: we said it wall Ago, not to add nauseam. You

1267
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 6: know that he would my grandpa wouldn't bossing my grandmother around.

1268
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 6: It was if he wanted warm food.

1269
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 3: It was be there then.

1270
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 6: And when he got up, take his bath, all that stuff,

1271
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 6: because she had stuff to do, you know, she she

1272
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 6: got up before him in the morning, got him off

1273
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 6: to the farm, and then she worked there at the house,

1274
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 6: and then she went to the store that they owned

1275
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 6: and she worked that and then she come home and

1276
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 6: then she fixed up her and he come in, and

1277
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 6: it's that whole, that whole scenario. My grandmother was the

1278
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 6: lynch pin that held the whole family together. She was

1279
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 6: running the whole show. And my grandfather went to his

1280
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 6: grave saying she was the boss. You know, hey, Hazel

1281
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 6: was the boss.

1282
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 3: I think there.

1283
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 9: She didn't get up and cook. She puts the cereal

1284
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 9: out at night and Tony if you don't like it.

1285
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 6: So that a good point identified with the whole and

1286
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 6: I'm sure a lot of people do you know, identify

1287
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 6: with that, with their grandparents, with that that era. So

1288
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 6: that that was I love all the dogs too, I mean,

1289
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 6: you know, I'm crazy about hunting dogs. But to me,

1290
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 6: that the family aspect of that and his his role

1291
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 6: in trying to do make his community better, I really

1292
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 6: identify with that, So that that was my favorite part.

1293
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. I appreciated that he was like, I'm gonna get revenge.

1294
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 3: I can do a little legal way or the illegal way.

1295
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting.

1296
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: I was surprised when Tracy used that word revenge, and

1297
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: I mean he was just quoting his grandpa. He's like,

1298
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: he's like, that's what he said to me. Like, I

1299
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: can't sugarcoat this thing. He said, I want revenge, which

1300
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: is just.

1301
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: Interesting, interesting, and.

1302
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: I was amazed at the you know, you hear, might

1303
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: hear a story about somebody moonshining or something, and when

1304
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 2: you actually go dig into it, you realize there's not

1305
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 2: a whole lot there. I mean, you know, like we

1306
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 2: have some moon a moonshine story in our family of

1307
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: my grandfather, my mother's father, who went to some type

1308
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: of juvenile jail before he was eighteen for being involved

1309
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: in the transportation of illegal moonshine.

1310
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 3: We talked about that, yeah, yeah.

1311
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: And it's like you dig into it and that's about

1312
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: all there is.

1313
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: Like he apparently didn't stayed doing that, or at least

1314
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: didn't get caught and that YadA YadA. I had heard

1315
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: these stories about Barry from Tracy and others, and it's

1316
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, Barry was a he was a big, big,

1317
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 2: really involved in bustin moonshine, and this story, when you

1318
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: dig into it, it just went deeper. And deeper and

1319
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: deeper and deeper, and I didn't touch the surface of it. Yeah,

1320
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: I really didn't trust what Tracy told me.

1321
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: Today.

1322
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 2: I communicated a little bit with him and he said,

1323
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 2: he said it was you know, really enjoyed it. The

1324
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: family enjoyed it. And he said, you really, we really

1325
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: didn't touch the surface of really who Barry Tarlton was.

1326
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: And I believe it and and and even the stories

1327
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 2: so in the interview that Bob Plott did, and I

1328
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 2: got a lot of thanks to Bob Plott for just

1329
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 2: being there.

1330
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,520
Speaker 1: And but then Tracy filmed.

1331
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 4: It and uh, Bob pt did the interview.

1332
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: Talking to Barry Tarleton and you didn't hear Bob's voice

1333
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 2: on it. But I wanted to give Bob credit for

1334
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: just being there to interview Barry months before he died.

1335
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 2: And uh, Barry was it was late in his life,

1336
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: and you know, you could tell like his his his

1337
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 2: world was kind of closing in a little bit because

1338
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: he just wasn't that elaborate. He wasn't he just didn't

1339
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: quite have but he he it was unreal. The stories,

1340
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 2: I mean, like him saying they were like did you

1341
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: bust some moonshine steals and he was like, yeah, one

1342
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 2: time I busted a big big steals a thousand gallons.

1343
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: And he told the whole story of how he busted

1344
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 2: the big He said, he said, they went, they snuck

1345
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: into this moonshine still and I just couldn't include it. It

1346
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: was just too long. He snuck into this moonshine steal

1347
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: him and another guy, you know, two law enforcement officers

1348
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 2: armed and they're trying to just get in there to

1349
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 2: get their eyes on it and maybe catch the guys.

1350
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,520
Speaker 2: And on the way in they run in two boys,

1351
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: young boys, and Barry call them over and says, don't

1352
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 2: you tell anybody you saw us here. He gave both

1353
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 2: the boys five dollars each and told them, don't you

1354
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 2: tell anybody that you saw us here. Apparently they were

1355
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 2: right behind somebody's house, because he said the two boys

1356
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: left with the five dollars, and he heard them go

1357
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 2: down to their house and yell for their mama, mama,

1358
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: and uh and and uh. He said he could hear

1359
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: them tell their mom that they just saw the law

1360
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: and uh and and some and he talked about like

1361
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: circling around the mountain and then running into the adults

1362
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: that were in charge of the Moonshine Still, and he

1363
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 2: knew them. They were just people that he knew. Is

1364
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: just like Bill. And they didn't put up a fight,

1365
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: like it wasn't a shootout. It was just it was

1366
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 2: just like, got you Bill, Yep, we're going to take

1367
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 2: this still and uh and and then.

1368
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: So they arrest him without without tussle. They arrested these guys.

1369
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 2: And then but one of the guys they arrested was

1370
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 2: a young guy like probably twenty years old. That's the

1371
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: impression I got, who was wanted for murder that they've

1372
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: been trying to catch. This kid had killed a man

1373
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: with a set of.

1374
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 5: Pliers for seventy eight cents.

1375
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: Like he was trying to rob him, basically, and he

1376
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,799
Speaker 2: had seventy eight somehow they knew it was for seventy

1377
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 2: eight cents. And I don't think the kid meant to

1378
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: kill him, but he killed him with a pair of

1379
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 2: plyers and hauled him off way deep in the mountains,

1380
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: down in a halla and dumped the body. And Barry

1381
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 2: got the guy in a room, an interrogation room, and

1382
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: was just like, you killed that guy, didn't you, And

1383
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 2: basically the guy confessed to kill them, and he said,

1384
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: where's the body? And he told Barry right where the

1385
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: body was. Barry got in his car, drove twenty miles

1386
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 2: out into the mountains, walked down in this deep haula

1387
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: and found the body.

1388
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: They hauled it out.

1389
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,799
Speaker 2: I mean, there was just one story that just sparked

1390
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 2: in a his mind, like and then you know the

1391
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 2: tommy gun story. It's like, what you heard was all

1392
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: that he told. But it's like, wait a minute, where

1393
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 2: were you who had a Tommy gun and was shooting

1394
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: your car?

1395
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 5: Any one of these stories you would have a hard

1396
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 5: time telling in an hour and four minute podcasts, much

1397
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 5: less a lifetime. Eighty four years or eighty two years

1398
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 5: of these stories seemingly all the time.

1399
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 2: I mean, just the amount of shootouts and killing that

1400
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: was going on back in those times was just unbelievable.

1401
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 2: And there he also in part of the part of

1402
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 2: the interview that I just I just couldn't put in there,

1403
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 2: Barry said that the law didn't cope come back in

1404
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 2: the Houston Valley very often.

1405
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 1: That's why he wanted to be constable, is because the sheriff,

1406
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: like Dodge City man, he said, he said.

1407
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 2: The law was just too far back it just they

1408
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: just didn't come out there, and so he had to

1409
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 2: kind of take it into his own hands.

1410
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 10: And everybody didn't have an iPhone to take pictures of

1411
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 10: videos of what was going on, you know, a little

1412
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 10: free run. Hey, one thing before you you quit, and

1413
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 10: we can answer this afterwards. But I was intrigued by

1414
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 10: these dogs in that they weren't fighting dogs. You know,

1415
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 10: if you just ask me, I'd go in and give

1416
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 10: me a stinking pit bull and a Great Dane. You

1417
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 10: give me some big old dog that you're not worried

1418
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 10: about that. Apparently it was running dogs. It's what they

1419
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 10: wanted once they got to the bear. I mean, they

1420
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 10: a little long legged, shortier dogs, not gonna be whipping

1421
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 10: the bear.

1422
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 2: Well, okay, a pack of them could maybe. Well that's

1423
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 2: that's the thing is. They're not trying to overpower a bear.

1424
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: They've got a bear. A black bear is the hardest

1425
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 2: big game animal in North America to tree, more than

1426
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 2: a mountain lion, more than a coon, more than a fox,

1427
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: more than a whatever.

1428
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: You have to a bear dog.

1429
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: I have heard it said, and and I'm gonna say

1430
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: it just because it's it's a compelling thought. Even though

1431
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 2: some one might argue about it. They're the They have

1432
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 2: to be the most athletic dog in the world.

1433
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 3: Like that.

1434
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 1: There's not I mean, more more than any working dog.

1435
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,480
Speaker 2: A bear dog has to have a unique set of characteristics.

1436
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 2: Gotta have an incredible nose to be able to track,

1437
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 2: gotta have the nerve, as Roy Clark and the Lower

1438
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: Mountain bear hunters say, they got to be nervy. That's

1439
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 2: a big thing is that you turn Tim loose on

1440
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: a black bear and he gets swatted one time and

1441
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 2: he's like, ros, I'll be.

1442
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 3: Treading to squirrels.

1443
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll just keep treading squirrels.

1444
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: Ninety eight percent of dogs on planet Earth ninety nine

1445
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 2: point nine probably encounter a bear. They finally catch one,

1446
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 2: and they're like, holy cow, I had no idea that

1447
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 2: you were big and harry and mean and could kill me.

1448
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 2: A bear dog's got to have the right amount of

1449
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 2: want to catch you but not get killed, because if

1450
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 2: they just run in and grab hold of a bear,

1451
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 2: they're gonna die. Yeah, you gotta have They got to

1452
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 2: have incredible athleticism. So I mean, they're not breeding for

1453
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: some big yeah, like a dog to run in and

1454
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 2: catch a bearry. He's got to be able to travel

1455
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,560
Speaker 2: miles and miles through mountains.

1456
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 10: The other side of my question is if you went

1457
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 10: around the country and ask a different type pound man,

1458
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 10: you know, plot man, what what what are you describing

1459
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 10: your dog? You know, Ben said, long legs, small body,

1460
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 10: short ears. This other guy's he gonna what's he gonna say?

1461
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, so apparently there's a lot of

1462
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 10: he used a word like style of dog.

1463
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, uh.

1464
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 3: That's the way in just in every breed, you know.

1465
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 6: I know my buddy Ricks he likes a forty five

1466
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 6: pound walker dog and a female to coon hunt. I

1467
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 6: know boys that like, don't bring it to the house

1468
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,879
Speaker 6: unless it's gonna be over seventy pounds.

1469
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 3: You know, every breeze.

1470
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 9: You know, labs are like that.

1471
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 10: Guys like a small female a lot of times to

1472
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 10: retrieve ducks.

1473
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 9: But anyway, now.

1474
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 2: What what Tracy said though, was he's said, in these

1475
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: mountains here, serious plot men. If they never spoke to

1476
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 2: each other, didn't know each other, and you went to him,

1477
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 2: they would have pretty close to the same thing, because

1478
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 2: they've all got to do.

1479
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: The same job.

1480
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: Now, I will say that I hunted with a very

1481
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: reputable plot breeder named Curtis Walker one time. Honestly some

1482
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 2: of the most of them, Yeah, Curtis Walker, plot man West

1483
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 2: Virginia plots. Yeah, some of the most impressive dogs I've

1484
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 2: hunted with. They had a dog that I guarantee you

1485
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:42,520
Speaker 2: weigh one hundred pounds. They called him Copper A plot. Yeah.

1486
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 2: I watched, I mean I hunted with the dog. I

1487
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: saw it, and they said it was one of the

1488
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 2: best bear dogs, I mean, as good a bear dog

1489
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 2: as they've ever had.

1490
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: And he weighed that dog was huge.

1491
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 2: It was a plot, I mean just and again going

1492
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: back to this idea of strains, and Ben Jones said,

1493
01:19:58,240 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: you know, I asked Ben, I said, what do you

1494
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 2: like about? And Ben said, Clay, I don't really like plots.

1495
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 2: I just like mine. Yeah, yeah, there's there, there's there's

1496
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 2: a lot of variation, but I would say the big

1497
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 2: one hundred pound copper dog is an outlier.

1498
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 8: Let me tell you what I like about a good plot.

1499
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 8: Him to me, Okay, if I were looking for a plot, hen, okay,

1500
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 8: here's the things they'd have to have. Are you always

1501
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 8: we are? I like the leapers, if you go, if

1502
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 8: you if you go, Coon hunting with Jed and Burn.

1503
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,839
Speaker 8: Uh well, and we won't go coon hunt with anymore.

1504
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 8: So yeah, but Jed would. He loved when we would.

1505
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 3: You he's a climber.

1506
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 4: He's a climber.

1507
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 8: So you you you'd tree a coon by a hill

1508
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 8: and Jed would run to the top of the hill

1509
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 8: and leap from the hill to the top of the tree.

1510
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 8: And he would do it just to show off sometimes, Yeah,

1511
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 8: if you want to show And it was like clear

1512
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 8: he was like, yes, I get to leap. You could

1513
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 8: tell he always loved he loved it. I mean, I know,

1514
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 8: so I want a dog that's a leaper. I want

1515
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 8: a dog that's a singer. Jed has a real pretty

1516
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 8: voice and he likes to he likes to show it off.

1517
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 4: You know, I don't like him singing at night, but.

1518
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 8: I really love just sitting out there watching Jed just

1519
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 8: kind of look at the sky and think deep thoughts

1520
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:25,719
Speaker 8: and sing these beautiful songs. So a leaper, a singer,

1521
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 8: a leaner you you can't walk up to, I mean,

1522
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 8: clearly is my favorite.

1523
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 2: These dogs, like if you were breeding, will have any functionality,

1524
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 2: could any work all on?

1525
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 8: So with Jed, you know, you come out anytime you're

1526
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 8: a near Jed, he just leans on you and sticks

1527
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 8: his arm up and.

1528
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 4: On you, just like you always know kind of you.

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01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 8: You're loved and you're and then he would be able

1530
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 8: to treat a coon because if he can't, he's gonna.

1531
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 9: Get rid of it.

1532
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 8: So those are the four things that I'd like to

1533
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 8: I'd like to get out of a And Jed kind.

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01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,719
Speaker 4: Of pulled the wool over eyes for a while because

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01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 4: he un it's.

1536
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 2: Kind of it's kind of like me and Brent. People

1537
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 2: think like I'm good at podcasting. It's only because I

1538
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 2: run around with brown.

1539
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1540
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 4: So Jed ran around with Fern. He looked like a

1541
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 4: good coon dog.

1542
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 8: We lost Fern, and all of a sudden we realized,

1543
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 8: man Nen knows it all.

1544
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 4: He's just got a great hype hype man.

1545
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 3: You know.

1546
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 10: One of the one of the pretty sights that I've

1547
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 10: seen in a while was when we stayed in your

1548
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 10: little cabin up there and I came down one morning

1549
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 10: and I looked through that back door the window, and

1550
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 10: it's that Jed. Jed was sitting there like he owned

1551
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 10: the world at the end of your barn with the

1552
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 10: doors open. He was just singing. I mean, it was

1553
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 10: just beautiful. I went from my phone. I thought, well,

1554
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 10: probably won't take going through that window.

1555
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 8: But it was really I know exactly what you're talking about.

1556
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 8: He likes to sit at the the barn and you

1557
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 8: could see the mountain, you know, with the barn doors open,

1558
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 8: you could you can look over jed shoulder and see

1559
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 8: the mountain. And he's just singing those songs.

1560
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: People singing those songs. I come out in the middle

1561
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 1: of that.

1562
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 2: My neighbors, like, I have a few numbers that probably

1563
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 2: could hear me yell like, you can't frustrat the dog, yeah, yeah.

1564
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 8: A little more frustrated. I can sleep through the dog.

1565
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 8: I can't sleep through hill.

1566
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 2: Bottle hollering at them dogs. Man, this has been a

1567
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 2: great render. I I've this this uh, this story to

1568
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 2: me is is really special. Really enjoyed telling it. It

1569
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. The We're gonna do something

1570
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: a little different the next couple episodes of Burgers.

1571
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna tell you someone well, it's actually gonna

1572
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 5: be an hour and a half of just Bancho.

1573
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1574
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: I've kind of opened up a can of worms with

1575
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 2: this player thing, because I've I've got very specific needs,

1576
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 2: and like they can't be strings attached, like it's not like.

1577
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 5: Only to the banjo.

1578
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully it's five strings.

1579
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only five would you go for if

1580
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:16,839
Speaker 2: they played a four string banjo?

1581
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 4: There is a four string banjo?

1582
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 2: Okay, well just strings on the banjo, that's all, but

1583
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 2: clearly not interesting.

1584
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 5: No strings attached have to be named JB.

1585
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: Well they can be named whatever, Okay, But obviously I

1586
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: would be nice to this person stuff like that. But

1587
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 2: I like to I I used to own a business

1588
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: and I like to u uh undersell and over deliver,

1589
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1590
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be like, guess what, this is.

1591
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 2: Going to be terrible, and then they come in thinking

1592
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 2: it's going to be terrible, and then they realize it's

1593
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 2: not that bad.

1594
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 3: It's mediocre and it's great.

1595
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1596
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1597
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 4: It's short.

1598
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 2: So if we had a banjo player, actually, it would

1599
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: be really great and you'd probably at the time of

1600
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 2: your life for just an hour or so. Man, So

1601
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 2: great to see everybody. Thanks for coming up, Dad, Josh, Misty,

1602
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 2: Isaac Brent. So good to see everybody. Yeah, long Hunters,

1603
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 2: go ahead and pre order it.

1604
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 3: So big. It would be.

1605
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: You know, there's certain things that you can lean on

1606
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 2: your audience and just be like, please do this, just

1607
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 2: just do it, just.

1608
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 4: For us, give it to someone for Christmas.

1609
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it'll be it's for the cost of the audiobook.

1610
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 2: It is a lot of entertainment, Like not just entertainment

1611
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 2: that's gonna just like flush through your brain, actual educational entertainment.

1612
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 4: You can be the smartest person in the room.

1613
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, speaking of entertainment, we're going to watch you can

1614
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 10: cut this out. Shepherd new can play basketball. Last time

1615
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 10: I went, he scored thirty eight points.

1616
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 2: Yes that's yes, excellent sheep out of four street game

1617
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 2: of scoring over thirty.

1618
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 3: Happy birthday Bear John, Yeah that too. And he's only

1619
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 3: a sophomore.

1620
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 1: All right, guys, thank you so much