WEBVTT - A Reaction To The Thundercat Episode Of The Questlove Show 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:12.000 Quest Love Show is a production of iHeart Radio. 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:19.280 Open Mic. Man, How are you today? 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.200 Man? I'm showing man keeping these plates spinning as usual? 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:23.720 How are you? 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:24.599 I like that. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:28.639 I never added to my repertoire, but I'm spinning a 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:29.800 lot of plates myself. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.559 That's what we do these days. That's what we do 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.280 is people who work in creative industries, you very rarely 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:36.839 get to just focus on one thing. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:37.600 Man. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.280 Yeah, and it's perfect because you know, it's funny. We're 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.559 talking about Thundercat on this mini episode of The Questlove 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.839 Show and his new album is called Distracted, And you know, 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:49.200 how do you handle distractions? 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.880 Oh? Man, I'd like distract myself from work with like 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:59.720 other work. Like I tend to have, you know, two 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.440 or three very big things, any constant attention, and then 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.919 a bunch of little stuff and admin it pops throughout 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.600 the day and it's like sometimes my treats to myself. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.319 It's just the work that I want to do first, 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:12.479 the work I have to do. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:13.360 That's well said. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.680 Well, let me ask you this then, like what in 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:17.680 your repertoire if you can say, like, what is your 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.840 favorite work to do outside of I'm gonna say, you know, 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.800 recording and making music your your impetus hum. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.560 So, my favorite work to do is not what pays 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.000 me a lot, and I think that's typically how the 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.880 correlation goes. My favorite thing to do is technically work, 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.840 is making beats. I'm honestly just making a piece of 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:44.960 art for myself that's not attached to any expectation, and 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.160 it feels a little more creatively fulfilling because of that. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.760 How long into your vocal career have you been making beats. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.120 I've been making beats the whole time. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:53.680 Whole time. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.920 Wow, I started making beats well before I started recording. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.480 I did not know that. Okay, wow, you came in 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:00.680 on the production tip. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.720 I mean when I say I was making beats, very 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.240 few of them were worth hearing about other people. And 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.400 even to this day, the vast majority of my beats 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.280 nobody hears. And it's because I am I have access 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.120 to so many really great producers that you know. I 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.959 don't try to force the issue on my stuff, because 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.519 you know, I don't think my stuff is quite that good. 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.240 But like I said, oftentimes it's stuff that I hear 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.520 in my head that I want to hear, and it 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.640 makes me feel good for having done it, even if 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.240 it's not gonna be my next song. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.880 You know, well, I have to imagine too for somebody 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.280 that loves all music as much. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:43.480 As you seem to. I mean, you and I are 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:44.520 still good to know each other. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.600 But like I always thought, like in my rapper fantasy 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.880 camp or and my musician fantasy camp, one of the 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.880 best things would be like picking beats from other people 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:53.359 like that. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.919 Because yeah, I mean, you know what, this is the thing. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.080 It is fun. But what I have found because I 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.920 have been doing some group stuff with my group previous 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:10.680 industries with video David Steel Rift, and the act of 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:15.520 picking beats with other people is very different than the 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:20.760 act of meat picking beats by myself. And so in 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.239 the fantasy camp situation, I'm like, oh, that could be fun. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.640 It could also be a little tense, depending on what 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:28.760 people's tastes are. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.480 Yeah, my best like musical friend, my best friend that 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.760 I can talk week to week about new music with. 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.480 We always laugh at the fact that a. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.080 New album will release and it could be in any 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.680 sub sector of genre, but especially in hip hop, and 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.600 we're always picking different favorite sections of it. And so 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.000 that's funny. I can only imagine when you have a band. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.640 Made a groupmate that that creates I won't say acrimony, 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.360 but dissidence, you. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.360 Know, yeah, yeah, it's it's just really interesting how something 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:02.760 can be a complete, you know, absolute smash for one 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.360 person and another person is just like I hate this, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.840 you know, it's this is really fascinating. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:10.040 Yeah. Absolutely. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.560 And since we last spoke too, and when this comes out, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.080 you know, you have new music on the way, a 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.800 new single out which I truly dig. So I appreciate 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.560 that everyone who's listening to this, And you know, I 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.919 get this sense from reading the comments. So many people 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.640 are very well versed and open mic Eagle, but let 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.120 this be a reminder to do your dsp Googles and 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:29.839 check it out. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.280 Oh for real? Yeah, I mean, I think, especially when 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:36.839 it comes to my podcasting exploits, my music is often 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.040 not front and center. So I certainly couldn't blame anybody 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.200 for not being aware if this is how they came 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.880 to me, because I'm typically not talking about my stuff. 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.680 But yeah, there's a lot of legacy, a lot of catalogs, 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.560 so if people are interested, there's a lot for them 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:51.320 to dig into. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.719 So, you know, I live on the East Coast. But 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.360 one of the things that fascinates me about the LA 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.520 music community period, especially of the last twenty five years, 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.280 it's just that, you know, walls don't seem to exist, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.000 like so many folks have worked together, have shared studio 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.599 space together, done all these different things, and you know, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:10.880 you and I are here. It kind of as a 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:15.159 supplement to the recent Thundercat episode of the Questlove Show, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.880 and I happened to be there for the taping and 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.240 we're running it with our kind of slate, which is 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.560 something that started years ago with Quest Love Supreme of 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.480 Black Music Month. And you know, I'm curious being that 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.680 he's an LA guy and you've been in LA. I mean, 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.240 damn near thirty years. You shared with me recently. Is 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.600 there a relationship? Have you guys shared air? Is there 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.880 like you and Thundercat? Is there anything you know in 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:41.560 that dynamic? 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.000 Well twenty years when I said. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.560 You didn't move there, I got you. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.320 But yeah, yeah, yeah, me and him have been in 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.480 a lot of rooms together. We famously, in my world, 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:01.640 performed together once on Hannibal Bursts television show. I was 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.800 sort of making my television performance debut and it was 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:10.320 in collaboration with Thundercat and Flying Lotus when I performed 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.599 on that show, and we didn't know each other super 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.560 well then, but we got to know each other quite 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.960 a bit after, and it run into each other quite 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.760 a few times since we have a lot of shared interests. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.440 When he took that deep breath and started talking about 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.920 comic books, I was I was right there with him. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:29.640 And him in the room. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.360 I thought of, youmic because that was about I think 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.360 we Yeah, we did. We taped that episode in April 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.119 about fresh off of coming into LA the first time 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.279 you and I were in the room together and hung 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.839 out with you, Amir, Brittany Nick, the rest of the gang, 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.479 and you know, I got a sense of listening to 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.080 you talking about comic books and wrestling. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.080 So when I watched his take a deep breath. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.400 And then just kind of micro machine man yes through it, 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.039 I thought of because that's a passion I don't have. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.480 I've actually never owned or read a comic book in 0:06:58.520 --> 0:06:59.000 my life. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:03.560 You've never read It's really interesting. So the only reason 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.560 that's really surprising is because we're around the same age, 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:11.880 and when we were young, there just wasn't a whole 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.800 bunch of stuff to do, so I'm amazed that you 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.200 never found yourself. Yeah, comic book was your only option. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.520 I grew up in a household that didn't. 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.160 It always sounds like a religious thing, but like my 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.560 dad would never like watch anything science fiction, with like 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.720 one exception like the mad Max Road Warrior cannon. But 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.760 like like I didn't see Star Wars. I haven't still 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.280 not seen it the whole way through, like. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.720 I am now okay, okay, yeah, and so car was 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:38.080 part of that. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.920 The funny thing is is like I watched the Robert 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.360 Crumb movie back in the day, and I watched I 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.840 remember when American Splendor came out, and I was like, 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:47.720 Harvey Peak, like this looks like a comic. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.760 I can get behind, like indie comics. 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.400 Yeah yeah, but even still all these years later, I'm 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.600 sure promo wise, like people have sent me, like when 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.360 Czar Face or somebody would do like an item and 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.240 I'd said it, aid, I'd give it to somebody would 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:01.640 appreciate it. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.680 But yeah, man, I still got my comic book Virginity 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:04.400 and tact. 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.920 That's what's up, man, Uh you know that's that's I'm like, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.000 On one hand, Oh, it'd be a nice thing to 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.560 introduce you to. On the other hand, it's like, you know, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:19.040 let him cook. Yeah, you're like and you're not missing 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.200 that much, you know. 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.720 Yeah, I mean I have personality. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.480 And the funny thing is is like as a kid, 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.720 I think the other alternative was like, in terms of 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.520 tangible media, it was like baseball cards. Yeah yeah, you know, 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.679 not not in a collector way, but I just loved 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.200 looking through them, learning the status. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:37.560 Yeah. 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.959 Same here since that, like I have I have a 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:46.680 collection of comic book trading cards from that era. But 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:53.520 in that era, it was all trading cards. It was basketball, football, baseball, everything, 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.800 and the same experience you discussed of just reading through 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.920 and trying to understand the stats and all of that. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.200 I think of every time my mom, you know, must 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:04.960 have handed me a five dollar bill to try to 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:05.960 like be a cool. 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.280 Mom or like she knew that, Like I had waited 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.640 in the car for three or four hours, and. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.959 I wish I wish I had now at this age, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:14.480 Like it brought me delight at the time, but I 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.640 wish that I had done other things with that money, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.679 you know, let alone, let her keep it, you know, 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.679 But you know, getting back to your point, like comic 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.839 books is one thing also, you know, and it's right 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.119 at the top of the episode. 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:29.400 You know Thundercat. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.200 You mentioned him in Flying Lotus, you know, working with 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.080 you on the Hannibal Show. Also just his he walked 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.719 up at iHeart and I'm not a I don't pay 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.200 attention to jewelry and stuff like that, you know, but 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.000 he came in with a Doom medallion that he talks 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.360 about at the top of the episode and then elaborates 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:52.920 on his profound appreciation and collaborative. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.040 Plans with Daniel Dumalay. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:56.560 And I thought of you as well, because I know 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.120 he's a north star in your life. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:09:59.520 Hopefully I'm not miss speaking. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:06.120 Oh no, that's that's absolutely the case, not only creatively historically. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.640 I have a lot of Doom art here in my home. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.000 People send me a lot of stuff like that, and 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:14.440 I tend to put it up in the house. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.439 Did you I mean similar question when I asked about Thundercat. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.840 I mean in your career, did you have any interactions 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:21.160 with Doom? 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:26.920 Not directly, I mean we have we got two songs together. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:27.240 I'm on. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.200 You mentioned zar Face earlier. I'm on a Zarface song 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:34.840 it features Doom. And when I had my show on 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.920 Comedy Central The New Negroes. Part of it was that 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.720 we had an original song for every episode, and we 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.400 did a collab with each one, and one of them 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.320 was done. We were able to get him on a 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.040 song for our Comedy Central show Wow Wow. 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.720 So but did you, I mean at that point in 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.480 Doom's career, I know he was abroad a lot. I mean, 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.760 you never got to give him a pound or anything 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:58.000 like that. 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.240 I never did. I never did. By the time I 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.120 was in the even the beginning of having a career, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.760 he was already out of the country and not allowed back. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:09.440 Yeah. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.400 I mean to me, when I think of the pandemic, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.559 and I think of the ugly side of the pandemic, 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.000 which you know, from a health standpoint, was all of it. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.720 And you know, Amir talks about this a lot, but 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.400 I think of sort of what you and I were 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.680 talking about, the lack of distractions that we sometimes have 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.640 gotten back to. But I think of the one battle 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.880 after another emotionally of twenty twenty into twenty twenty one, 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.480 and I think, you know, the loss of Doom learning 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.080 it and then learning that it was kind of after 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.200 the fact, at least for me, with the general public. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.600 You know, that was that was one of the hardest 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.040 blows ever, you know, in terms of just mourning your heroes. 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.079 Yeah, I was. I remember that that was a New 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.680 Year's Eve when the announcement came out and I hadn't 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.360 heard it either. I remember I took a nap that 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.800 day so that I would be ready to hang out 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.600 that night, and I woke up from the nap to 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.600 people texting me that they were so worry about the 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.840 Doom news and I'm like, WHOA. So I'm like disoriented 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.439 coming back into consciousness and getting this terrible news, and 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.040 it really it put me down for like three or 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:12.960 four days. I feel like I feel like New Year's 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.760 Eve was like a Thursday that year or something like 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.400 that sounds about right, And I feel like through that 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:21.559 weekend I was just really in a bad, bad space. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.720 But that was when it sort of occurred to me 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.280 that for the first time of my life, I needed 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.880 to directly and in real time wrap my way through 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:38.000 something in order to process it. And so the song 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.520 that I have that that is an elegy for him 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.000 is called for Doom. I wrote and recorded it like 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.840 that weekend. It was like four days after he passed 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.880 where I sort of was rapping about my feelings of 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.319 being a fan of his my entire life, how privileged 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.439 it was I felt to collab with him, how nervous 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.480 I was about it, how it felt to hear that news. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:08.280 And it's sort of culminated in me realizing as I 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.360 was writing this rhyme that this piece of doom art 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.480 that I have in my house that's a photo of 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.600 him is not really him. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:17.640 Oh wow. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.079 Yeah, And it was like the perfect code to the thing. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.240 And that's very open mic ego of you two. Just 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.040 to kind of pull the rug at the end. That's 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.640 so interesting and it's funny, like, you know, I've worked 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.440 over twenty years kind of in the hip hop media side. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.920 I don't the word journalists is weird, but you know, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.120 I led hip Hop DX for a number of years 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:35.560 back in the. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.600 Wow hip Hop DX man. Yeah, speaking of rest in peace, 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:40.760 like all. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.360 Our work, but the work that you know, for my 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.439 seven years, they're gone off the internet. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.600 That really bothers me, like a lot more than people 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:49.480 might understand. 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:51.440 Yeah, I hope it comes back. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.480 I was gonna talk to some of the folks that 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.480 are now at least own it. You know, try to 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.320 understand the logic behind that, but. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:13:59.840 Yeah, it breaks my heart. 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.000 But all that to say, you know, in DX and 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.920 then I spent for the last thirteen years I've been 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.520 part of Ambrosia for Heads, and I've known over the 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.720 time that you know, when we've cut still images sometimes, 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.800 especially in the later years, once there were glasses involved, 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.720 it's not always actually Doom, and that messes with you. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.280 And I think that only adds to the legend. 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:22.560 You know. 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.840 I always think of like the Internet being shocked that 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:31.120 Humpty Hump was shocked G, but sometimes wasn't shocked G. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.320 It's like Andy Kaufman and Tony Clifton. But I think 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.960 it adds like when you see both in the same 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.600 room at the same time and you're just like what, Yeah, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.120 I think that contributes to that effect. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:41.440 Whatever. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:46.080 It's just me a while to get to the point 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:51.720 of being able to appreciate Doom for being able to 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.560 pull that off, because I had the misfortune of being 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.840 at two of those shows okay where he wasn't there. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.400 I went to one show that he actually he was 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:06.000 there in like four five, and then I'd say, like, oh, 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.480 six oh seven. Maybe I was at two shows where 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.640 it was not him, and that did not feel good, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.320 just to be like a paying customer coming to see 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.320 him perform and you can tell very early and easily 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.600 that it's not really him. Yeah, that was not a 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.760 good feeling. And I came away from those events feeling like, oh, 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:30.120 that's kind of messed up that he doesn't care about 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.800 his audience enough to actually show up and perform. But 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.640 that is also before any of us understood what the 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.840 circumstances were behind that as well. But you know, he 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.040 also didn't put that out there so right. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.160 You remember on the second time, was that when he 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.240 was on the Loop a Fiasco Food and Liquor tour 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:49.280 as the opener. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.880 No one was I want to say, it was rock 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.280 the Bells out here. And another one it was a 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.440 New Year's Eve show, a big, huge New Year's Eve 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.560 show here in LA that had a bunch of rappers 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.600 on it, and he was the headliner, you know, with 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.760 the with the countdown and all of that, and it 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:13.320 just was not him. I talked to I'm homies with 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.840 John Robinson, who was a first collaborator of Duns, and 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.200 John Robinson was on the stage that night, and he 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.000 without saying too much of what he said. He was 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.440 telling me that the way that it went down it 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.920 was also a surprise to him. So yeah, it was. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.440 It was levels of theater happening. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.200 Man. Shout out to John Robinson when I'm in New York. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.800 He and I had lunch one time, I mean tour 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.680 in two thousand and seven and eight at this vegetarian 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.920 spot on west Ford Street, and he was always cool. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.680 I'm a big Signs of Life fan, and. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.880 Yeah, aside the stuff he did with Doom and then 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.160 he had that whole album. One of the cool things 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.480 about Doom, and I think Dyla and Mad Live have 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:00.560 the same kind of mythology is that before producers were 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.399 talking about loaning beats, a lot of those productions just 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.240 felt like they because they would appear different places, and 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.280 especially with John Robinson and never he made that whole 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.720 album over Doom production, But it felt real because I 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.439 knew he was always inner circle as I understood it. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.680 You know, it is different when you know that those 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.120 artists have a connection versus you know, the label has 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.080 these beats, yes, paring them with somebody. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:37.760 Yeah, somebody trying to get on wrapping over dilla beats. Yeah, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.480 I'll share my little story. I never met Doom face 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.560 to face, but I interviewed him in two thousand and three. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.960 There's a lesser known thing that you remember back when, 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:47.320 like Sandbox. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:51.600 Automatic and hip hop Site, the early online retailers of 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:52.440 the hip hop that you. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:52.920 And I love. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.160 Oh yes, I spent I spent hours on him sites. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:56.040 I spent not only. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:00.520 Hours, I spent wages from Burger King, wages, all sorts 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.960 of jobs. And there was an exclusive kind of mashup 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:08.040 thing that was authorized by Doom called Nostradomas and it 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:09.840 was two thousand and three, and it was when NAS 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.720 had put out. It wasn't just the Nostradama stuff, but 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.359 it was recent, you know. I am and kind of 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.560 the early two thousands. Nas a cappellas put to Doom 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.400 and Matt Conaway veteran emir, and I just worked with 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.320 him on booking DJ Muggs. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.520 He offered me Doom. I was at the. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.959 Time an editor at all hip Hop dot Com and 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.119 I spoke to Doohim for half an hour on the phone. 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.760 And it's similar to kind of I think his music like. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:35.520 On one hand, he. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.000 Was super lucid and super he remembered things that really 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.520 shocked me. But on another hand, he was kind of 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.640 one take Jake and just like some things he would 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.560 talk about some things he wouldn't, and that added to 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.520 the mythology. But what always kind of blew me away 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.320 about that is I asked him at one point, I'm like, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.840 you know, KMD comes under the third base story, you know, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.600 as you've covered with your podcast and sodas Nas and 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:01.960 you know, as I understand it, you know, Pete Nice 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.359 was a big cultivator of CAMD and Doom and Search 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.199 obviously you know, signed NOAs to the production company and 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.320 you know, had a strong hand in the business side 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.440 of Illmatic. And it's so wild that at that point, 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.920 which was about ten years later, you know, after Emadic 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.399 and around, you know, the same time as the second 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.280 km D album, you have these guys interfacing. 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.160 In a way they might not even know about. 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.520 And Doom had memories of meeting Nas, being in the 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.680 same room, sitting in the same studio sessions. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:32.280 And the cool thing. 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.760