1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky listener Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Years ago, I was walking toward a cliff in Hawaii 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. The cliff was on 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: the island of Oahu and was rumored to be haunted. 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: The road we were hiking up was very wooded, empty, 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: and we could barely see our hands in front of 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: our faces. We were being led by local tour guide 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: and cultural practitioner Joe Espinda, or as we know him, 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: Uncle Joe. As our small group walked in the darkness, 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Uncle Joe explained that some believed the night marchers would 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: sometimes traverse this same path. In Hawaiian mythology, night marchers 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: are the deadly ghosts of ancient Hawaiian warriors. They march 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: in darkness after sunset and march as a group continuously 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: until just before sunrise. Anyone living along their path may 16 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: hear chanting sounds of blown conk shell tones and marching 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: noises in the night. The following signs are a foul 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: and musky, deathlike odor and torches getting brighter and brighter 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: as the night marchers get closer ancient Hawaiian beliefs state 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: that any mortal looking upon or being seen in defiance 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: toward the marchers will die violently. As we stood, completely 22 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: enamored by the legend of the night Marchers, something happened. 23 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: We all heard steps on the road ahead. Everyone, including 24 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: Uncle Joe, froze and went instantly silent. We listened as 25 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: the wind picked up, and we could hear the soft 26 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: scratch of leaves tumbling across the road. But there was 27 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: something else, something ahead was moving, moving toward us. My 28 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: entire body froze, and I was all at once strongly terrified, 29 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: but also yearsly curious. What were we about to see? 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: The air changed, it became almost static, and every hair 31 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: on the back of my neck raised. Just then, out 32 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: of the darkness trotted a dog, a large black dog. 33 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: He stood before us for a moment before walking up 34 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: to each of us. We pet him and let him 35 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: lick our hands, and then he ran back into the woods. 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: Uncle Joe told us that was a sign we were 37 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: allowed to move forward. The dog had been sent to 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: give us permission, so we followed his Uncle Joe chanted 39 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: and saying, and we made our way to the cliff. 40 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: It was In that moment, I knew and felt that 41 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: hauntings of Hawaii are very different. They are looked at 42 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: with respect and intense spirituality. I felt it to my 43 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: bones that night. So with respect, let's visit one of 44 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: the few places I've been able to investigate in Hawaii, 45 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: the historic and very haunt did Hawaii's Plantation Village. I'm 46 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: Amy Brunei, and welcome to Haunted Road. Captain James Cook, 47 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: an Englishman with the British Royal Navy, came across the 48 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: Hawaiian Islands on his third voyage into the Pacific and 49 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: seventy eight. It seems like he was the first white 50 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: person to really take note of sugarcane, and he spread 51 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: the word throughout America and Europe. From this point onward, 52 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: Westerners poured into the islands. They brought many new things 53 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: with them, but unfortunately, one of those was disease. Although 54 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: sugarcane has been present in Hawaii since its introduction in 55 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: six d, it wasn't dominated by industrial processes until eighteen too, 56 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: when an unknown man established the first sugar mill in 57 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: the islands. About thirty years later, the first export was 58 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: delivered to the US, and within a decade, sugarcane was 59 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: a staple of Hawaiian agricultural production. A further catalyst for 60 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: this intensive, protracted, and demanding production of sugarcane can be 61 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: traced to the Great Mahela of eighty eight. This active 62 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: governance opened the doors of Hawaii to foreigners who wanted 63 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: to own land in the islands. Amplified by an ever 64 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: increasing demand from the US for more sugar, and bolstered 65 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: by the Pacific trade routes and settlements related to the 66 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: gold rushing California, Hawaii sugarcane was a top priority. Sugarcane 67 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 1: cultivation required a pool of cheap labor, and with native 68 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Hawaiians dying from measles, mumps, whooping cough, and other contagious 69 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: diseases for which they lacked immunity, sugar planters searched worldwide 70 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: for other workers. Within a hundred years, labors had arrived 71 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: from mostly Asian countries China, the Philippines, Korea, and Japan, 72 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: some European ones Germany, Norway, Portugal, Russia and Spain, and 73 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: folks from the South Pacific islands in Puerto Rico, as 74 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: well as African Americans all were called there to work sugarcane, 75 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: and about half of them remained in Hawaii. Growing exceedingly 76 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: powerful and influential plantation owners lobbied for and won the 77 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: eventual passage of the Masters and Servants Act of eighteen fifty. 78 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: The new law legalized in dentured service, the contract labor system, 79 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: and the importation of foreign workers. The law also outlawed 80 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: labor unions and workers strikes. In the following decades, tariffs 81 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: on Hawaiian sugar were done away with In five years 82 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: from eighteen seventy five to eighteen eighty, Hawaii went from 83 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: having twenty sugar plantations to sixty three. Sugarcane has a 84 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: history throughout the Hawaiian Islands, but the town of pa 85 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: Who on owah Who was dedicated to sugarcane plantations from 86 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century to nineteen forty. From eighteen fifty 87 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: two until nineteen forty six, three hundred fifty five thousand 88 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: immigrants came from China, Japan, Okinawa, the Philippines, Korea, Portugal, 89 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: and Puerto Rico to work in the sugarcane fields and 90 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: sugar plantations that occupied most of the leeward side of Oahu. 91 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: The different cultures lived side by side in plantation housing 92 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: in this valley. In eighteen ninety seven, the ohah Who 93 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: Sugar Company was officially founded. The majority of the first 94 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: workers were from Japan and China and somewhere from Portugal, 95 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: and others were native Hawaiians. Ten of the latter were children. 96 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: Employees apparently received a house equipped with domestic necessities. Garbage collection, 97 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: street cleaning, and sewage disposal were also provided. There was 98 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: a selection of stores from which employees could purchase a 99 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: variety of goods, and as time wore on, more stores 100 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: popped up that catered to nationality groups. There were also 101 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: designated spaces for leisure and baseball numbered at the top 102 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: of that activity list. But it most certainly wasn't all 103 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: work fun in games. Bongo is a Japanese word for number, 104 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: and in the heyday of sugar plantations, workers from numerous 105 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: countries had their names replaced with bengo tags. The tags 106 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: originated in the eighteen nineties as a pragmatic way to 107 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: i d individuals. The shapes of bengo tags represented a 108 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: different ethnic group. The numbers and tags were used to 109 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: pay for goods, briefly illustrate who someone was, and keep 110 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: track of goods, services, and transgressions. These tags dehumanized workers 111 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 1: and reinforced the experience of indentured servitude. On pay days, 112 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: no bongo tag, no pay was the policy. One worker 113 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: was quoted in part as saying I wanted my name, 114 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: not the number. In nineteen twenty, a hospital was erected 115 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: on the grounds and it offered free services to the 116 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: plethora of unskilled laborers employed by OSC. Over the years, 117 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: o SC saw their share of tragedies. While I'm sure 118 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: there were others, here's a small sampling of what I 119 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: was able to find an old newspapers. I found one 120 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: newspaper article from nineteen o two that indicated a man 121 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: had taken his own life and his hanging body was 122 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: found by a child who ventured into a storage shed. 123 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: In the article, it also mentioned he was the fifth 124 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: suicide there in that month alone. In nineteen sixteen, two 125 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: workers were killed in an on site train accident, and 126 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty five, a seven year old boy drowned 127 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,239 Speaker 1: in one of the streams that ran through the plantation. 128 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: He and his nine year old sister had been visiting 129 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: an aunt on the property. In addition to this, with 130 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: the closure of o Wahu Sugar Company in nineteen tragedy 131 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: was felt in an economic sense, a financial and cultural mainstay, 132 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: even unintroduced by problematic figures out for money was replaced 133 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: with tourism and other mass market entities. Many who were 134 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: employed by the company were left in the lurch. For 135 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: its part, Oahu Sugar Company took out an ad in 136 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: the Honolulu Advertiser on April saying, the last farewell the 137 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: people of Hawaii and our ancestors who have come and 138 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: gone before us, salute you and send you countless mahallows 139 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: to all of the hundreds of thousands of men, women 140 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: and children who labored in the sugar plantation field and 141 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: the sugar mills on the islands of Hawaii, Maui, Oahu 142 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: and Kauai. The need for laborers brought you from all 143 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: over the world, your purpose to seek a better life 144 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: and a strange and unheard of place called Hawaii. Through 145 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: the years, you have managed to endure the many hardships 146 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: and struggles, and in times some of you brought your 147 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: families from your respective homelands, and some of you started 148 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: a family here in the islands. It goes on to say, 149 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: the legacy of King sugar has breathed its last breath 150 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: of life for the Oahu Sugar Company, and now your 151 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: role with respect to sugar is no longer a part 152 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: of your life, but a bitter sweet memory. You, as 153 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: former sugar plantation workers and your families will now see 154 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: your destinies going through a metamorphosis. God only knows what 155 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: lies ahead for you and your families. Please understand that 156 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: our prayers are with you and we wish the very 157 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: best for you and your loved ones. So what exactly 158 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: is Hawaii's Plantation Village? Set amid palms in a lush 159 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: mountain side park and busy Waipahu and not far from 160 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: the former site of the Oahu Sugar Company. Hawaii's Plantation 161 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: Village covers about a century along period of Hawaiian history 162 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: and seeks to represent the experiences of those four hundred 163 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: thousand sugarcane workers throughout that time. As we've noted, they've 164 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,479 Speaker 1: performed backbreaking labor and lived regimented lives on the plantations. 165 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: Among the buildings are camp homes, including a Hawaiian house, 166 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: Japanese house, Okinawan House, Portuguese House, Puerto Rican House, Korean house, 167 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: and Filipino house. It represents how plantations homes were organized 168 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: and divided in such a way that each ethnic group 169 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: was housed separately from others, which allowed plantation managers to 170 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: control each immigrant group more effectively and help prevent inter 171 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: ethnic cooperation and strikes. The museum has been in operation 172 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: since nine and while it contains a mixture of original, refurbished, 173 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: and replicated structures, it aims to provide a tangible glimpse 174 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: of early twentieth century Hawaii and what that experience was 175 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: like for tens of thousands of people who worked in 176 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: the fields. The houses are lined in order of the 177 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: immigration timeline of these major ethnic groups. To enhance the 178 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: community camp feel, other buildings have been added in a barbershop, 179 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: a community bath, a plantation store, infirmary, and a social 180 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: union hall. They also have an Innari shrine that was 181 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: formerly located outside of the old Honolulu Stadium that was 182 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: destined for demolition. So what about the hauntings? The Haunted 183 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: Plantation exhibit, operated by Noah Laporga every Halloween season, clearly 184 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: has a haunted foundation upon which to work, although apparently 185 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: their actors have had enough experiences to mandate two persons 186 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: shifts that doubling up also isn't limited to seasonal workers. 187 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: In fact, during the year, as a safety precaution, people 188 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: aren't allowed to work alone in any of the houses. 189 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: They always work in pairs. There are about twenty five 190 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: structures on the property, of which about half are associated 191 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: with hauntings. The Portuguese house is the first structure besides 192 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: the temple that you see upon entering the village. A 193 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: young girl spirit is said to reside here, and apparently 194 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: she's quite playful. She's also the most commonly reported spirit 195 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: in the village. Reverend Caju Silva, a Hawaiian high priest 196 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: and spiritual practitioner, visited the home in order to determine 197 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: more about this spirit. After three visits, he concluded that 198 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: the young girl was not at all evil, but was 199 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: in fact protecting the home, and she was very interested 200 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: in one woman docent, in particular because, according to the priest, 201 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: she has never had a mother. The girl disappeared for 202 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: a few years, but since two thousand and fifteen and sixteen, 203 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: it seems she has once again sought out maternal figures. 204 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: The associated story claims that her father raised her after 205 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: the mother took one look at the child and disowned her. 206 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: Without daycare, the man tied his daughter to a table 207 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: or chair when he went to work in the plantation field. 208 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: There was supposedly a fire in the village one day 209 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: and the house where the little girl was tied up 210 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: hot on fire. Bitter and ashamed, the man went inside 211 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: the house and realized he could either rescue his daughter 212 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: or get rid of his problem. He decided on the ladder, 213 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: and she died in the house. Of course, there is 214 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: nothing his storyly to back up the story at all. 215 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: I was able to find record of one fire in 216 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: the nearby village, but no one was killed or injured. 217 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: That's not to say it didn't happen, but like I said, 218 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: I cannot verify it. Clearly, there is activity reported in 219 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: the house, though I'd be hesitant to assign an identity 220 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: to it. In addition to the little girl's spirit in 221 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: the Portuguese house, there was also evidence of a heavy 222 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: male spirit, although it too is considered benevolent. In the 223 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: Okinawan house, people note feeling choked by an invisible presence. 224 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: An actor in the haunted plantation exhibit once ran out 225 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: of that structure with watery eyes, and she was gasping 226 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: and holding her neck. She claimed that she couldn't breathe 227 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: and then quit the job on the spot. I think 228 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: we need to get to the bottom of these reports, 229 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: so we will be talking to Noah Laporga, who heads 230 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: up the on site haunted attraction at the village, and 231 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: he's got some very real ghost stories to tell. That's 232 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: coming up after the break. I am now joined by 233 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: Noah Laporga, who is the organizer of a thing called 234 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: the Haunted Plantation, which is a haunted attraction that takes 235 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: place at the Plantation Village every October or Fall, I'm assuming, 236 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: and what's interesting is that he's not the first person 237 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: I've spoken with who has had paranormal activity happen around 238 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: a haunted type attraction. And we can get into that 239 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: a little bit further, but I definitely think it has 240 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: something to do with the energy of people going into 241 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: a place night after night and being completely terrified. So Noah, 242 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me. Thank you for having me. 243 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Now I have investigated the village now, well, we investigated 244 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: for ghost Hunters years ago, and it was actually during 245 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: that earthquake in Japan where there was a massive like 246 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: tsunami warning on the island that happened while we were investigating. 247 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: That was my first experience with the tsunami. We had 248 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: a lot of really interesting experiences and it's just such 249 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: an interesting layout there. Now. Can you just kind of 250 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: explain what your capacity is at the village and how 251 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: that came to be sure, So let's go back a 252 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: little bit. Was raised in White pa Who where Hawai's 253 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: plantation village is located right across the sugar mill well. 254 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: On my mom's side, my grandma used to work up 255 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: in the doul Canary on Maui, and then on my 256 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: father's side, grew up in White pa Who his uncle's 257 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: and I found on that side we're working on a 258 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: sugar plantation fields. So we're all like we grew up 259 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: in that area of White pa Who just growing up there, 260 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: driving past the village and just always thinking wow, you know, 261 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: it's just the s road. Stories of that road, whitepa street. 262 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: Hearing stories from family people or just friends, I was like, oh, 263 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: this road is haunted. They see all these things, you 264 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: know at night, or stories from plantation time too, would 265 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: always stick to my mind and my mind, you know, 266 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: as a kid, like a sponge just so get up 267 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: just driving down past, you know, through that road, and 268 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: I was just like, man, I just didn't like looking 269 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: into the windows of this place of the village. It's 270 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: just a fence and you can kind of see some 271 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: of the houses and stuff. But that was, you know, 272 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: as a kid, and so fast forward. I was like, oh, 273 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: I was like a promoter for certain things, and at 274 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: that time, I was promoting a lot of different events 275 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: and I wanted to take a crack at trying to 276 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: find a location for what we do, which is a 277 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: haunted plantation, and I got rejected multiple times by the board. 278 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: I guess I had no experience with promoting any kind 279 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: of events of that scale. I was like, don't worry, 280 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: it'll be big and popular whatever, and they finally agreed 281 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: and I me do it. So in twenty sixteen was 282 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: the first year. But I had a lot of hoops 283 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: and hurdles, so I guess they threw that in my way, 284 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: hoping that I wouldn't be able to do it. Actually 285 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: surprised them and I've got all the stuff that they required, permitting, 286 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: insurance and all that stuff, and yeah, they let me 287 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: do it for just one night. So it was like 288 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: a lot of guerilla marketing posters and just flyers and 289 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: creating certain things like stories just build the hype and 290 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: draw people out coming to find out that there was 291 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: some stuff that did happen, but not as malicious as 292 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: what some of the stories that are going around. But 293 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: then there's the real stories that we have, because there 294 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: were many ghost stories before we started moving in and 295 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: creating these things. You know, always Plantation Village as a 296 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: museum was built. People things like, oh it's so old, 297 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: how good he is? You know, do stuff in that place? 298 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: And replicas the Chinese house however, was there. There was 299 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: a house there before. It's not what it is now, 300 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: but used to be owned by the Pang family, and 301 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: Stephen Pang still works there. I guess he's like the 302 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: great godson of the people that used to own that area. 303 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, a lot of people don't know the 304 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: history about that. We filmed for Ghost Hunters there and 305 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: I think it was eleven, and so at that point 306 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: there are already stories. But I think it is important 307 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: to note, like what you're saying, and this happens a lot, 308 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: is that there becomes this kind of game of telephone 309 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: and this happens a lot in many haunted locations where 310 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: it's hard to kind of separate fact from fiction, where 311 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: you have stories that were created through your haunt, but 312 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: then you find out later like, oh, it's actually haunted, 313 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, and so and and it happens. But what 314 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: I also find fascinating kind of what I was leading 315 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: with in the beginning, is when we tried to instigate there, 316 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: and then also when I went back and did a 317 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: strange escape there, they were very protective as far as 318 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: what they would do, and so I totally understand that, 319 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, you had to jump through some hoops and things. 320 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: But a lot of these historical locations, having either a 321 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: haunted attraction there or just like a ghost tour, you know, 322 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: providing that it is actually haunted, ends up being a 323 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: really great revenue source for them, and sometimes it is 324 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: hard to convince them of that, and you kind of 325 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: have to demonstrate like you did, and you have a 326 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: whole new demographic visiting suddenly to people who probably would 327 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: never have gone there. So I think overall it's a 328 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: good thing. There was a lot of you know, from 329 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: the board and stuff like that, like this concerns and 330 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: after the first or second year, they needed us to 331 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: be there. That's my home and you know the history 332 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: of that place, and to keep that place around so 333 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: people learn and learn about the culture and the history 334 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: of the Share plantation and what my family went through 335 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: doing that time, and to keep that place alive is 336 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: what's driving me to continue. You to try and create 337 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: something for everyone. And yeah, it's a very different time, 338 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: and like you kind of touched on, and just the 339 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: fact that there were all of these different cultures kind 340 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: of in one place, brought in to do this, and 341 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: so I love the representation of that in the village. 342 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Now you running a hunt there, though when did you 343 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: realize that it was actually haunted? So there was like 344 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: this small stuff and then there's, as I said before, 345 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: the fabricated stories, but then the real stories that happened, 346 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, of course all started the first year actually, 347 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: but it was like really like small and minor things 348 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: where my mom actually she was in this area which 349 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: is in front of the Portuguese house. She put some 350 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: of the setting up level and then she left and 351 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: she came back. Then it was placed somewhere else and 352 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: she always thought that was strange, which was really small, 353 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, she felt something in 354 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: her pocket. You know, she thought it was like a 355 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: gecko or like some sort of bug that went into 356 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: her front pocket. And then she was like, oh, that's weird. 357 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: She was like kind of hitting it because she thought 358 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: it was like like a bug or something, but there 359 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: was nothing in it. Then all of a sudden, the 360 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: keys kind of got tugged out of her pocket, and 361 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: what was pulled out from the key chain was just 362 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: like this little Hello Kitty toy and that thing was 363 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: yanked out out of her pocket and that was the 364 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: only thing that was explosions. She was kind of like 365 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: what we found out later that people see a young 366 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: girl around that area. Yeah, I mean, and that's in 367 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: that area. I mean, we weren't able to verify any 368 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: stories of a little girl, you know, but people have 369 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: seen her and there's definitely stories around it. And I've 370 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: had experiences in that house as well, so that's really interesting. 371 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: So that's probably one of the first clues. So that's 372 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, her first year. And then she 373 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: started getting I felt like somebody like tugging out her 374 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 1: dress kind of times, you know, when she's in that area. 375 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: She says, she's seen that like the next year, like 376 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: just a little girl by the window and that's it. 377 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: But it was always like more of a motherly kind 378 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: of I guess the women that would experience stuff like that, 379 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: even my workers too. It's usually just me and a 380 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: couple of people, and sometimes I'm by myself in that 381 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: village at night, you know, prepping throughout the week, and 382 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: then weird things would happen, and I remember seeing faces 383 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: in the window by the Union Hall. It's just weird. 384 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: I remember just um in the Union Hall than a 385 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: hear tapping on the window. I just remember saying, like 386 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: a pale face like on the other side, but it 387 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: was like on the top right corner of the window. 388 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: It was just like looking at me. And then I 389 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: ran out just to see. And the back of the 390 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: Union Hall window is really high, you know, it's not 391 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: like someone can just stand there and then their faces 392 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: in the window. I just freaked out and I just 393 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: bound stout. I was like, there is something really eerie 394 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: there at night, because I've been there at night with 395 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: very few people before, because I've had to kind of 396 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: do the same thing where we lead a group investigation 397 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: and then have to kind of close it down and 398 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: make sure everybody's gone. And I just remember just walking 399 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: through there and just always feeling like I was being watched, 400 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: like I never felt like it was completely empty. And 401 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: there's also you we walk through, there's like frogs everywhere. 402 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: I remember that distinct. That's what scares me the most. 403 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: Jump on my feet. There's so many of them and 404 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: their big frogs, and they also make very strange noises, 405 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: so that scares me, and you know, more than the ghost, 406 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, so that was a 407 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: new one. So ghosts are scary, but strange creatures are 408 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: also very scary. So there's like a hundred from me more. 409 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: I mean that kind of stop people seeing a man 410 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: I've seen them to. Also, in the middle part of 411 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: the village, by the shrine, there's a bath house. I 412 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: remember this one night, which was really weird. At the 413 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: end of the hunt, we asked some of the customers 414 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: and patrons I walked through. It's like, oh, what was 415 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: your best house? You know, what was the scariest house? 416 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: And throughout the night, which was super weird, they are like, oh, 417 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: the bath house and there was a bunch of scary 418 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: children in it. Interesting, but they were like five people 419 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: from different throughout that night that was telling me about 420 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: those kids, and I was like, oh, you know, we 421 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: don't have any kid actors. Yeah, that's really strange. That's 422 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: a whole complete manifestation. You know, it's funny. I don't 423 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: know what your belief system is and all of this, 424 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: but you know, one of the things we found is 425 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: that energy and attitude, those kinds of things have sometimes 426 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: a lot to do with a haunt of whether someone 427 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: experiences paranormal activity or not. And so I have found 428 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: that in many of these places where people are coming 429 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: in expecting to be scared. Probably most famously, I investigated 430 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: a place in Pittsburgh called the Scare House and they've 431 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: moved now, but their original building was super old, and 432 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: so they would have their haunt every night, and then 433 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: the people closing up would just constantly here like knocks 434 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: and banging and voices, and it was almost like they 435 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: charged the building up with everyone that was, you know, 436 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: coming through scared and screaming. And I think that could 437 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: definitely have an effect on the village, Like do you 438 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: feel different when you guys were done than when you 439 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: got there? Oh? Yeah, I guess you could say that, 440 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: But people are telling me what I noticed. Where the 441 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: the spirits that are there, they're kind of like more 442 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: playful as far as like the kids or whatever. You know. 443 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: Having been there now a few times, it never felt negative. 444 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: I Like I said, I felt like somebody's watching me, 445 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: But it's kind of par for the course. When you're investigating, 446 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: it feels like that a lot. But I never felt 447 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: like in danger or like something was, you know, gonna 448 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 1: get me. I just felt like I could just feel 449 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: that kind of vibe, like it's just like there's a 450 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: tall guy in a white shirt. But the Portuguese Puerto 451 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: Rican house people stay here, babies crying over there, like 452 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: a baby crying, and they'll see somebody on the porch, 453 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: a tall guy. And even the older docents they would 454 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: say they would hear stuff when they would have to 455 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: close and they would see like a tall guy just 456 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: sitting on the front porch, you know, from the distance, 457 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: and when they would get close and just he would 458 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: be on And then some of my actors seeing that 459 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: guy too. We have this flickering light in there, which 460 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: the lights dim and we have all that kind of stuff. 461 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: The lamps are going out and then they go bright 462 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: and they you know, they then but he was scaring 463 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: and facing towards the door, are waiting for people to 464 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: come in. Then when the light flashed, it was just 465 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: a tall guy just staring at him and then it 466 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: just flashed again. Gone. But people said that happened multiple times, 467 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: different people, all of white, I mean, all of oag who. 468 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: I think Hawaii is just haunted in general, and you know, 469 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: it's being respectful to just the overall land, and the 470 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: island is super important. I mean, there is one house 471 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: in the village that I know has a malicious spirit. 472 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: There's a choking ghost in that house. That's the only 473 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: house where we kind of just stay away from or 474 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: if we shut it down, if we you know, something 475 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: happens and we just avoid that. Overall, it's the green house, 476 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: the middle house. Oh right, okay, and so does it 477 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: have a name or is it just okay now on house. 478 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: So this is the story of the choking House. This 479 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: is a true one, and this is what happened multiple 480 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: times where the actors would just up and leave. M 481 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: So I had my auntie in this house. She was scaring, 482 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: and then my mom would float around again with my mom. 483 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: It was a family affair. Yeah, I said no, no, no. 484 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: But then there was this these two other girls there 485 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: that we just cast it. So while they were scaring 486 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: one of the actresses, her eyes started getting watery and 487 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: she was like kind of pressed against the wall. Uh 488 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, some people thought it was part of the act. 489 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: Then my family looked at her and noticed that her 490 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: eyes was like getting really red and looked like she 491 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: was getting choked or something. That she was like, I 492 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: can't breathe, I can't breathe, you know, and she had 493 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: her arms around her neck. Then she just dropped to 494 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: the floor. I mean, she wasn't lifted up, but she 495 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: was pinned against the wall. You know. We closed that 496 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: house and we we routed everyone, and then we take 497 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: her into the back room and she was like, oh, 498 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: I just felt like somebody was choking me. Here. We 499 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: noticed that her her neck there was like some marks. 500 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: That was the first incident for that, and it happened again. Oh, 501 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: happened a couple of times. And then this other girl 502 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: that was working there, and then all of a sudden, 503 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: she was sitting outside in the back part of that 504 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: house during the hot She didn't know what was going 505 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: on or what happened to that other girl. This was 506 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: a new person that came out. She was just sitting 507 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: on the side and crying in the back was like, 508 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: are you okay? I was like, oh, I just felt 509 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: like I had pressure on my chest. Interesting. Then it 510 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: happened again where we had this guy come the first day. 511 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: He was there, he was scaring. Then all of a sudden, 512 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: midway through, he just starts running to the parking lot, 513 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, past the terra pacts where everyone part. One 514 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: of the staff members went over there and then the 515 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: guy was like, oh, I'm out of here. Something happened. 516 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: I felt like I was getting choked quit and he 517 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: just left. I mean, that is a workplace hazard at 518 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: this point. I feel like now that was the only 519 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: time when we felt like it was dangerous, and that 520 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: was that was a while ago, right, I mean, And yeah, 521 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: that honestly could have been just in my experience, sometimes 522 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: spirits wander in, especially if they know something interesting is 523 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: going on or something different, if people are receptive to them, 524 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: they'll kind of wander in. Because I know, we didn't 525 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: encounter anything like that there, so it could have been 526 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: something like that. Who knows, But yeah, it's interesting that 527 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: it happened time and time again. So this is what 528 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: I think personally, is that you know, the houses aren't haunted. 529 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: I think there were things that aren't put in the 530 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: houses that were passed on to have a lot of 531 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: energy torment. I don't know, that's what I think. Well, 532 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: we've seen that many times, so I think that that's 533 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: a really fair assessment because we've encountered many haunted objects 534 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: and things that just bring energy with them, So that 535 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: makes complete sense to me. On that note, thank you 536 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: so much for telling us all these stories. Hawaii's Plantation 537 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: Village you can tour it if you happen to go 538 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: to Oahu, but then you also have the haunt that 539 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: you're doing, and that's coming back this year, I assume. Yeah, 540 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: it's just an October Okay, great. Yeah, it's a very 541 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: interesting place. Like I said, I've been there many times. 542 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: There's so much to learn there, and it is a 543 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: bit of a drive but not too crazy from you know, 544 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: where everyone is staying, usually Honolulu or wherever. But it's 545 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: worth it. During the day, it's really relaxing to kind 546 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: of stroll through there and take a look at everything 547 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: and really imagine what got back up the daytime tours 548 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: again because of course during COVID now you can kind 549 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 1: of just free rome if you don't want to go 550 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: on a tour with a docent, some people prefer going 551 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: just walking around by yourselves as like informative signs with information. 552 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: But if you want to go on the four or 553 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: five hour tour, go with the okay. But then also 554 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: very important, you have a tiki bar which I am 555 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: going to come visit when I come out. So what 556 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: is the tiki bar called? Called Skull and Crown Trading 557 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: Company located on sixty two North Hotel Street in Chinatown, 558 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: which is another haunted place. If you guys want to 559 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: walk around there. There's no shortage of ghosts and spirits 560 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: in Hawaii. I've learned so well, great, well, I'm definitely 561 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: gonna pop in. I really appreciate you taking the time. 562 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: It's just been fascinating listening to you and your stories. 563 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 1: And like I said before, I encourage everyone to go 564 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: pay a visit. Can go look for ghosts at Hawaiis 565 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: Plantation Village, or you can go find spirits of another 566 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: kind at the School and Ground Training Company. So thank 567 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: you so much. No, I appreciate it. No, problem. Hawaii's 568 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: Plantation Village doesn't fit the mold of most hauntings we 569 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: in counter. It's not the original village, but it is 570 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: very nearby to where the original village existed. So could 571 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: spirits from the original days of sugarcane harvesting be attracted 572 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: to the village because it looks familiar. Could the actual 573 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: haunted attraction on site be generating enough energy to create 574 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: a haunting? Or is the haunting completely unrelated to any 575 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: of these things. I certainly have a lot of questions, 576 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: as I'm sure you do as well, But that's why 577 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: I keep doing what I do, hoping to eventually have answers. 578 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: I mean, we all will one day in the meantime, 579 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: completely by chance. I'm headed to Hawaii and just a 580 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: couple of days, and I plan on taking a detour 581 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: to Waipa who to pay my respects to whoever seems 582 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: to be left presiding in the village. I recommend if 583 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: you're in the area, you do the same. I'm Amy 584 00:34:52,840 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: Bruney and this was Haunted Road. M Haunted Road is 585 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and Mild 586 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and hosted by 587 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: Amy Bruney. Executive producers include Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and 588 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. The show is produced by rema Ill Kali 589 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: and Trevor Young. Research by Taylor Haggerdorn, Amy Bruney and 590 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: Robin Miniter. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit 591 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 592 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: get your podcasts