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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A body of a young woman found outside of a barn.

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Speaker 2: Why is that the primary, the secondary, the tertiary crime scene?

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Speaker 1: Why was she killed? Who is she?

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Speaker 2: Will she forever be a Jane Doe? I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 2: here at Fox Nation and series XEM one eleven. First

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Speaker 2: of all, I want you to take a listen to

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Speaker 2: our frenzy koi.

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Speaker 3: N officials in southwest Washington are working to identify a

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Speaker 3: body founded in an abandoned property in Ridgefield on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Nay police and fire crews discover the body near South

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Speaker 3: fifth and seventy eighth Place, near the Family Dollar store.

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Speaker 3: Clark and Vancouver officials were also called in to investigate.

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Speaker 3: No word yet on a cause of death or identity.

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Speaker 3: We'll update you as we learn more.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's so much about that statement from our forensic

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Speaker 2: Kai n We learn a lot, but there's big, gaping

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Speaker 2: holes in that.

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Speaker 1: We've got an all star panel to make sense of.

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Speaker 2: What we know right now about the body of this

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Speaker 2: woman found in this remote area. But first I want

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Speaker 2: to go to a net Newell KXL news host speaking

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Speaker 2: freely with a net newle a net.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: When they say they just state that police and fire

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Speaker 2: crews discover a body at South fifth and seventy eight place,

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Speaker 2: I doubt very seriously that the fire department happened to

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Speaker 2: be just strolling by an abandoned barn. So this had

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Speaker 2: to come from a tip of some sort.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a tip. Somebody called in a tip,

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Speaker 4: and the local fire department went out there and they

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Speaker 4: discovered a body. And since then the medical examiner found

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Speaker 4: out this person died from blunt force trauma to her

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Speaker 4: head and neck.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I want to talk about the shock of just

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Speaker 2: suddenly discovering a dead body with me. Is Jarrett Fiorentino,

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Speaker 2: high profile homicide prosecutor joining us out of Pennsylvania. Jarrett,

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Speaker 2: I've dealt with so many witnesses that come upon a

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Speaker 2: dead body, a body, and it's something they never get over.

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Speaker 2: And we often hear about a jogger was out and

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Speaker 2: finds a body, or here's a good example in the

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Speaker 2: case of Lacy Peterson and her unborn baby, Connor. A guy,

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Speaker 2: a person was out walking their dog along the beach

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Speaker 2: and there they find Lacey's body on the beage within

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours, the baby's body looking like a little

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Speaker 2: plastic baby doll, perfectly pristained, while Lacy had been largely decomposed.

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Speaker 2: It's a shot that witnesses really never get over that

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Speaker 2: aren't used to seeing dead bodies, Jared.

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Speaker 5: They don't, And oftentimes, Nancy, that's where the story begins,

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Speaker 5: with the discovery of the body. You know, certainly that's

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Speaker 5: often the first witness I call in many of the

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Speaker 5: homicide cases I've had, And it's a human interest component

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Speaker 5: to the cases too. What was that particular individual doing

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Speaker 5: in a particular field, or what was that person's connection

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Speaker 5: to the barn, for example in this particular case. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: also you're looking at does the person that discover the

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Speaker 5: body have any connection to the deceased or any criminal activity.

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Speaker 5: So really it kicks off what is a large scale

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Speaker 5: investigation at any.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I know why a lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't want to get involved, because the person that finds

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Speaker 2: a body immediately comes under suspicion.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's a good example. Take a look at

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Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch.

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Speaker 2: Just got convicted in the double murder of his wife

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Speaker 2: Maggie and his son Paul, and the reality is, of

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Speaker 2: course he's the murderer, which is one reason why the

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Speaker 2: person who discovers the body is very often regarded as

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Speaker 2: a suspect, whether the police say it or not, because

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Speaker 2: so often that is the killer.

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Speaker 5: And that's true, that's true. I think there has to

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Speaker 5: be an examination of that particular person's eye to the region.

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Speaker 1: Why were they there?

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Speaker 5: Was it truly an innocent circumstance, And it's just part

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Speaker 5: of the investigation. If you remember Nancy, certainly with Kasey Anthony,

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Speaker 5: when the body was discovered, they were trying to lay

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Speaker 5: blame or examine why that particular individual was walking in

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Speaker 1: Wasn't it Roy Kronk or Ray.

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Speaker 5: Kronk who was that's correct.

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Speaker 2: Worked with either the electrical or the telephone or the

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Speaker 2: then I guess weeks later, goes back and it's still there,

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Speaker 2: I called you a month ago, and sure you know,

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Speaker 2: it was Roy Kronk And they come and it is,

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Speaker 2: in fact, little Kelly's body, and he did come under

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Speaker 2: of the real killer top Mom Casey Anthony. It's a

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Speaker 2: really good example to doctor John Delatory joining US licensed

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Speaker 2: psychologist mediator who specials specializes in forensic psychology. You can

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Speaker 2: find him on TikTok at doctor John Delatory, Doctor Delatory.

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Speaker 2: It's something that really haunts witnesses from that time forward.

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Speaker 1: Not only are they.

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Speaker 2: Not put it out there and they'll publicize it an

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Speaker 2: immediate suspect, but it's out of anything typically that they've

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Speaker 2: someone that has been murdered in this brutal manner, and

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Speaker 2: it's so out of the ordinary that a lot of

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Speaker 2: times they carry that with them the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 1: They can't really get over what they found.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, it also depends on the state of decomposition. Right,

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Speaker 7: how is the body's position? What else is going on? Right?

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Speaker 7: Have animals gotten to it? Have insects gotten to it?

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Speaker 7: Had the body been burned? Right? All these other things

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Speaker 7: that victim's debt. Right is there and witness and you

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Speaker 7: can smell it, you can see it right, you can

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Speaker 7: potentially feel it right. There's all so much that leads

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Speaker 7: to a flashful memory that any time that you're just

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Speaker 7: kind of in your own quiet mind can absolutely snap

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Speaker 7: those heightened emotions of heightened anxiety and nervousness. Right. I

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Speaker 7: said that happened when you first saw that dead bio.

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Speaker 2: I first started prosecuting, and I'm sure that Jarrett Farentino

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Speaker 2: will appreciate this story. My cases were largely innocuous to

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Speaker 2: start with, and attempted shoplifting, dyslexic bank robber, the oldest

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Speaker 2: woman in Fulton County history to be prosecuted for grand larceny.

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Speaker 2: Then I started getting murder cases, and I had a

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Speaker 2: recurring dream after talking to so many witnesses that discovered

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Speaker 1: And it seems like.

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Speaker 2: I was in an airport, but I was in somewhere

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Speaker 2: actually still have that dream. I still have that dream,

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Speaker 2: and it started when I would interview witnesses that discover

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Speaker 2: in trying to describe it.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online.

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Speaker 8: It's a Saturday afternoon, around six pm early April when

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Speaker 8: Richfield Policed Apartment receive a call about a body. The

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Speaker 8: body was discovered near a rundown barn on an abandoned property.

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Speaker 8: Officers from the Ridgefield Police Department and Cruise from the

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Speaker 8: Clerk Collot's Fire Rescue respond. When it's obvious that the

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Speaker 8: death is not a natural one. Two other calls go out,

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Speaker 8: and to a similar unit headed by Vancouver Police. Not

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Speaker 8: only were there signs that a homicide had occurred, there

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Speaker 8: are indications the body was moved.

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Speaker 2: I'm learning a lot or of brand joining me, Senior

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Speaker 2: Inspector US Marshall Service International Investigations, was with adj Department

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Speaker 2: of Justice. Author of solo shot Curse of the Bluestone

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Speaker 2: from what I've learned from of course a net Neewal

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Speaker 1: But from our friends at crime Online, did you.

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Speaker 2: Hear this a run down barn on an abandoned property?

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Speaker 2: What does that tell me that this was not a

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Speaker 2: person who was just passing through town that did this.

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Speaker 2: You had to know where to go out in the

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Speaker 2: country to a remote farm that was uninhabited and a

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Speaker 1: That tells me a lot about I know our purpose going.

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Speaker 5: To be that's true, Nancy, and using that to identify

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Speaker 5: potential suspects. It's going to be key location like that

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Speaker 5: of a rural location. You know, there's not ring door cameras.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's not traffic cams things like that that

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Speaker 5: could you know, put you at put you at that location?

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Speaker 2: Now older hold your horses or Brandt, I know you're

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Speaker 2: the one that's been with DOJ and the US Marshall

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Speaker 2: Service blah blah blah blah. But US country folks know

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Speaker 2: about ringing doorbell cams. Okay, we have the internet. We

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Speaker 2: can go to Amazon. As a matter of fact, of

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Speaker 2: mister IRV Brandt to the case of Alex and Murdogg.

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Speaker 2: Remember after he shot his wife and son and was

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Speaker 2: head unsuccessful. That was a big fat lie out in

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Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere, as you describe at IRV. Brant,

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Speaker 2: And at that time I we here at crime story

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Speaker 2: And guess what they caught the few cars, very few

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Speaker 5: Maybe Fred Flintstone should come into the twenty first century

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Speaker 2: It's true, but the houses are a few and far between,

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Speaker 5: That was my point. It seems like someone that was

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Speaker 2: I'm really surprised I did not put her body in

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Speaker 2: the barn. The barn must have been even though it

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Speaker 1: Have you thought of that or a Brant.

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Speaker 5: those people may have been, or a person or person's

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Speaker 5: dumping a body could be in a very agitated state

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Speaker 5: and not really thinking clearly like you just thought it through.

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Speaker 5: They may have been just trying to get a body

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Speaker 2: You're right, or a Brandt again, nobody wants to be

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Speaker 2: caught with a dead body. Time Stories with Nancy Greece

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Speaker 2: the forensic pathologist dot com. Doctor Pandy, we heard right

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Speaker 2: at the get go from a Nett mwle KXL that

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Speaker 2: she learned the cod while not complete, was a head injury.

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Speaker 2: How can you look at a body, even if on

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Speaker 2: the front of the body you don't see an injury.

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Speaker 2: that the woman is dead from a bludgeoning death?

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Speaker 9: most likely there's probably blood around the head, because if

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Speaker 2: A bludgeoning so hard to the head, for instance, you

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Speaker 1: That's correct, guys.

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Speaker 2: And to make matters worse and more difficult to determine

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Speaker 1: Have been the primary crime scene.

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Speaker 10: Let'st her friends in Clark County officials say a body

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Speaker 10: The Sheriff's office says early indications to show the body

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Speaker 2: Got a big question, how can you tell? And I'm

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Speaker 2: going to throw this out to Jarrett Farantino, but everybody

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Speaker 1: What about it? Jarrett Farantino, Well, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: I've had some experience in this regard, and there re

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Speaker 5: If you don't see a lot of disturbed area, it

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Speaker 2: Another interesting thing to doctor John Delatore, psychologist and mediator.

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Speaker 7: Well, here's the thing is that I'm going to call

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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to take a listen to our

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Speaker 11: I'm on South fifth Street, just off I five, off

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Speaker 11: I want you to know detekers don't think she was

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Speaker 11: You can see it's closed off with private property signs

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Speaker 11: Richfield Police and Clark Howltzfire responded to this abandoned property

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Speaker 6: Near the barn.

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Speaker 11: A medical examination ruled it a murderer, and Clark County

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Speaker 11: Sheriff's believe she was killed elsewhere then moved to this location.

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Speaker 6: No way that she would have gone down without a fight.

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Speaker 12: So whoever did do this likely had injuries or something

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Speaker 2: Back injuries to the perp possibly scratches bruises. Is that

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Speaker 2: possible this area, we don't know why. It's not where

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Speaker 2: cops believe that this Jane Doe was murdered. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: right now Annette Newell KXL News and to speaking freely

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Speaker 2: with Annett Newell. Ridgefield, Washington. This is what I know

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Speaker 2: that the population was is around ten thousand, a little

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Speaker 1: And Nette Neil, what more can you tell me?

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Speaker 4: It is a small kind of a bedroom community for

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Speaker 4: It's country. There's a lot of farm areas around there.

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Speaker 4: It's also there's Wayne country, you know, it's basically a

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Speaker 2: Well, this is how I first became acquainted with Ridgefield. Ridgefield,

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Speaker 2: Oregon was part of the trail of Lewis and Clark. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and when my children I had to learn about Lewis

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Speaker 1: I'm Lewis and Clark.

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Speaker 2: Wow, all the way to Missouri and the Great Confluence

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Speaker 2: where they went with their guide, the female Guide. We

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Speaker 2: know that there's a huge wildlife refuge there, the Ridgefield

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Speaker 2: which my point is a brand that greatly reduces the

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Speaker 5: That's correct, Nancy. The areas that of bodies located at

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Speaker 2: And then the shocking identification she is no longer a

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Daisy Cabalero k.

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Speaker 12: G W just why just how like why did this happen?

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Speaker 12: How it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 13: Robin Speaks is desperately searching for answers after her younger sister,

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Speaker 13: thirty two year old Joanna Speaks, was found murdered.

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Speaker 12: We're all just asking every single thing that you could

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Speaker 12: Did we check here, or we're trying to cover all

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Speaker 1: We don't know.

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Speaker 13: Stepsister Ariel Hanby says, the family has so many questions.

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Speaker 6: The cause of death was blunt force trauma to the

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Speaker 2: Joining us right now to very special guests, Joanna Speaks's sisters,

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Speaker 1: Robin and Ariel, thank you for being with us. Thank

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Speaker 2: When did you realize that your sister, a mother of three,

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Speaker 14: We got the call on the eleventh after they identified her.

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Speaker 14: They called our dad and then he told all of

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Speaker 2: Ariel Hanby, when did you learn that your sister Joanna

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Speaker 6: April eleventh? I got the song call from my stepdad

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Speaker 2: Having gotten that horrible needs myself. It is a moment

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Speaker 2: that even now, years later, still I don't like talking

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Speaker 2: but even now, just talking about it, I feel it

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Speaker 9: And it.

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Speaker 2: Even now it feels that Robin's speakes like it happened yesterday.

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Speaker 14: Well, I honestly don't even know I was. I was

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Speaker 14: didn't get to deal with it until afterwards, Ariel, what

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Speaker 6: Like Robin said, it felt like a joke, and MY

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Speaker 6: that feeling, I'm sure, as you know, Nancy. So it's

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Speaker 6: just something that.

441
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Speaker 2: I'll never forget, you know, I'm hearing Robin speaks and

442
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: Eryl Hanby described learning when their sister was murdered to

443
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology, did

444
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: you notice that both of these young ladies, these two sisters,

445
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: at first thought it was a joke.

446
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not a shrink like you, just a j d.

447
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: But I think that's because you want to believe it's

448
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: a joe, a horrible joke, a bad joke. You mine

449
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: can't take in what's happening because I remember, for a

450
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: long time after Keith was murdered, I would get my

451
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: mom or my dad and I look at him and say,

452
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 2: is Keith dead? I just it just seems so impossible

453
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 2: and fantastical that have to tell me, yes, he's dead,

454
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: he was killed, And I go okay, And then you know,

455
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: the next day I do the same thing again. What

456
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: is that There's got to be a psychological reason for

457
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: wanting to believe or believing it's a joke or a

458
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: bad prank or a lie when you first hear it.

459
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Speaker 7: It's not just about the wanting, it's about the needing

460
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 7: to believe that it's a joke to be imagined, that

461
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 7: to have that family member right who ripped away from

462
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 7: you in such a way, it's almost incomprehensible. Now we

463
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 7: have stages of grief, but the reality is is that

464
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 7: every individual grieves differently and it doesn't have to be

465
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 7: a pattern, and it can be assorted, and it can

466
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 7: start from the end and end with the beginning that

467
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 7: there is this especially initially that it has to be

468
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 7: a joke because it cannot happen to you because of

469
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 7: the consequences associated with the realization that life end is

470
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 7: very difficult for people to wrap their hand around.

471
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Speaker 1: Take a star Friends at Fox twelve.

472
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Speaker 6: Nothing is off the table as to what we're thinking

473
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 6: could have happened.

474
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Speaker 11: The family of Joanna Speaks is left shock and speechless

475
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 11: after getting a phone call that their thirty two year

476
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 11: old sister from Oregon City was found near an abandoned

477
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Speaker 11: barn in Ridgefield, Washington.

478
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Speaker 6: A bunch of things went through our minds as to

479
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Speaker 6: how this could have happened, or did she put herself

480
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 6: in a situation where she was vulnerable, or did someone

481
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 6: else you know, pick her to I don't even know?

482
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: And more? In our cut eight it's.

483
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Speaker 6: Been really hard, Like I don't think any of us

484
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 6: are sleeping. A lot of our family is just blatantly,

485
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 6: just devastated twenty four seven and just not functioning.

486
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 11: But that's not how her family will keep her memory.

487
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: She was the wild one of all of us.

488
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Speaker 6: Yes, she was loud and vibrant, like she would light

489
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 6: up any room, so funny. Everything that she did was

490
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 6: like go big or go home kind of attitude. And

491
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 6: she was just one of the kind.

492
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: It's so hard to take in that someone was such

493
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: a big personality is now silenced forever. To Ariel Handy,

494
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: this is Joanna's sister. Ariel, tell me about her as

495
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Speaker 2: a person.

496
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Speaker 6: I would just say that she really was just such

497
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 6: a vibrant, like contagious person. She could make anybody laugh,

498
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 6: and she was just somebody that you wanted to spend

499
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Speaker 6: your time around.

500
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Speaker 1: What about it, Robin Spake's she.

501
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 14: Was always larger than life. She loved to be the

502
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 14: laughing one at the party, the one that you know

503
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 14: was the She just loves to be the center and

504
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 14: to make everybody else excited to be there.

505
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: And remember, it's not just these two beautiful sisters joining

506
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: us today. This victim lays behind three little children and

507
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: take Alyssa to our friendsy kpatv.

508
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 11: Joanna leaves behind three children.

509
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 6: They are resilient and they broke down right away when

510
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 6: I told them sorry, But I think right now they're

511
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 6: just trying to stay occupied. She had this like giggle

512
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 6: and this laugh that one of her sons has like

513
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 6: it sounds just like her, just like echoes in our house.

514
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 6: A lot of my memories go to her just being

515
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 6: a big kid with them.

516
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 11: Her family will honor her life in an Intimatecay ceremony

517
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 11: full of color and music.

518
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 6: She was cremated, so they'll be able to carry a

519
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 6: piece of her with them.

520
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: How do you tell seven year old Melanie or twelve

521
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: year old Braxton or thirteen year old one, Mommy's gone,

522
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: but here's the piece of her. She was cremated. How

523
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: do you tell that to children? Let's figure out how

524
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: we can get justice for these children.

525
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace two.

526
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: Robin speaks an aeriel handy which either of you can answer.

527
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: When was the last time that you spoke to her

528
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: or her from her by text?

529
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 6: Our family last time contact with her? The Big Inning

530
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 6: the middle of March.

531
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: Okay, beginning or middle of March. What about it, Robin?

532
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

533
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 7: Yeah?

534
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: She reached out to our parents.

535
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: Okay, mid March that she used to call her text,

536
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: She would message.

537
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: Us usually and not call. She called our bound often.

538
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

539
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: So do you know when was the last time she

540
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: called your dad either one of.

541
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: You that would be Christians? Yeah, did you say? March fifteenth?

542
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: March fifteen?

543
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: And her body was found April the eight, So thirty

544
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: days has September April jun in November, so we've got

545
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: sixteen days plus eight twenty four days.

546
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Speaker 1: Interesting.

547
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: I wonder if her cell phone was used or found.

548
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: Remember this young woman now identified as thirty two year

549
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: old Joanna speaks, beautiful young woman with three children, found Rischel, Washington,

550
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: April eight, blunt forced trauma to head and net death,

551
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: homicide and newil Do we know anything about her cell phone?

552
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: That has not come up yet in terms of what

553
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 4: the Clark County Sheriff's Office is saying to us at

554
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: this point, I know that that is definitely a point

555
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 4: of contention in several other kind of similar murder cases

556
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: in our area where you know, unfortunately we've had like

557
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: three in a row, including this one where young women,

558
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 4: young mothers, have been killed.

559
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: Okay, well, white white, white, white white. You've got three

560
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: young women dead in the same area.

561
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the Portland area, April Nicole Newcomb Cripe died

562
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 4: from a gunshot wound and her death was ruled a homicide.

563
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 4: She had two young children twenty eight years old, and

564
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: they have not arrested anyone in that that case yet.

565
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 4: And there was one other case of a woman. Her

566
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 4: name was Miche Melendez. She and her daughters said and

567
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: year old daughter and Laylah Stuart were both killed by

568
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: gunshot and their bodies were found in was Shuegel, which

569
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 4: is not too far from this other case in Richfield.

570
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 4: So in that case they did charge an ex boyfriend,

571
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: Kirkland Warren.

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00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: My guess is he's not connected because that sounds like

573
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: a domestic homicide. Yeah, and he would have been connected

574
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: to that victim. But I'm very curious about the first

575
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: victim you outlined. Now, two young dead women, both mothers

576
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: of young children, found murdered.

577
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Very very curious.

578
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 10: Yeah.

579
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: Of course, the Clark County Sheriff's office says that Joanna speaks.

580
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: His case is being investigated as a homicide. Obviously we

581
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: know that much, but now take a listen to this.

582
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 13: Richfield Police Department and Clark Cowlitz Fire Rescue responded to

583
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 13: reports of a body authority say located on a property

584
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 13: off South fifth Street and seventy eighth Place, about one

585
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 13: mile off I five, though detective say it doesn't appear

586
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 13: that's where Joanna was killed, and according to the Clark

587
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 13: County Sheriff's Office, there are indications that Joanna speaks body

588
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 13: was moved to near.

589
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: This abandoned property.

590
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 13: Behind these no truspassing signs, there's an abandoned barn. That's

591
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 13: where the Sheriff's office found Joanna's remains.

592
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 6: It keeps me up that night thinking that whoever did

593
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 6: this or her and that person is walking around.

594
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: To a Newel Robin Spakes or Ariel Handy.

595
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: How far away is the location of the body from

596
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: that Dollar Tree or Dollar General. How far away was that?

597
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 6: I'm unsure. I haven't been able to bring myself to

598
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 6: go up to that property.

599
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that.

600
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: So what I'm getting at, or Brandt, is that if

601
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: there's any indication that there is surveillance video with that

602
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 2: Dollar Tree or Dollar General, that could be of help.

603
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: And also the fact that if this body was moved,

604
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: we know the perp has a vehicle, so if we

605
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: could get even a make or model. I mean, that's

606
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: how it all started in University Idaho with the four

607
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: student slang started with a white Elantra, and then the

608
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: white Lantra was found nearby about nine miles away at

609
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: Washington State University. And then we get a tag, and

610
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 2: then from the tag we get a name, and then

611
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: we find out about a connection and bam, there's an arrest.

612
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: If we could get the car because nobody carried her

613
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: on their back to this remote location. Somebody had to

614
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: know about the location, ignore the no trespassing signs, and

615
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: they may very well have had to or brand pass

616
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: that dollar tree exactly, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's going to just like you laid out,

618
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 5: when you start the investigation and you start building on investigations.

619
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Speaker 5: So those are the first steps. You're going to oh

620
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: to any surveillance footage and try to you know, look

621
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 5: for suspicious vehicles, for suspicious activity, then talk to people

622
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 5: around that time frame of things that they may have recalled.

623
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 5: That's that's what the investigators are going to start with

624
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 5: from the very beginning.

625
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: Okay, let me think this through. So we're looking for

626
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: a car, we're looking for someone you know, very typically

627
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 2: Jared Fiarantino. The victim has some connection to the killer.

628
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 2: They could be a boyfriend, an ex boyfriend and ex husband,

629
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: the grocery store boys, somebody you work with. That's where

630
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: I would start this investigation.

631
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Speaker 5: I agree. I think it's been a matter of recreating

632
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 5: Joanna's life, you know, from middle March on. If they

633
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 5: were able to find her cell phone or not, the

634
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 5: investigators can surt be secure her cell phone records and

635
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 5: see who she was communicating with and when that communication stopped.

636
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 5: And that is also something I think that would certainly

637
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 5: be a purview into who Joanna was talking to, who

638
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 5: she was in touch with when, and that would certainly

639
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: shed some light on who may know something or who

640
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 5: may be involved.

641
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: And we can also get abate on when she died,

642
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: and we may be able to get some of that

643
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: from the medical examiner to determine how long she had

644
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: been decomposing. Because if we can establish a time of

645
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: death or anywhere close to it, we can begin looking

646
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: for who she was with around the time of the death.

647
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: Take a listen now to our cut thirteen our friensic KGW.

648
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Speaker 13: The family has started a gofundmet to help with funeral

649
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 13: expenses and as for finding justice for Joanna, not.

650
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 12: A family that gives up, and we won't give up, fighting,

651
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 12: fighting answers, doing whatever we have to to.

652
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: Get some sort of piece for her.

653
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 6: We'll find them.

654
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: There is a go fundme.

655
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: You can find it under go fundme with Joanna Dash

656
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: Kristen Dash May Dash speaks and this Dollar trevement talking

657
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: about it's actually a distribution center, which means a lot

658
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: of steady employees and surveillance cameras.

659
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it online it says it's open twenty

660
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 4: four hours. Wow, this family Dollar distribution center is open.

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Speaker 2: That's very important. So if someone comes in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the night, Yeah, that distribution center is open, right,

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Speaker 2: and if it is even close to where the body

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Speaker 2: was dumped, that surveillance video could give us an answer.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Annette Newell.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 2: death of this beautiful young mom of three, please allle

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Speaker 2: five six four three nine seven two eight four seven

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Speaker 2: repeat five six four three nine seven two eight four

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Speaker 2: seven or go to justice Fort Joanna at outlook dot com.

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Speaker 1: Let's give her children answers. Goodbye friend,