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Speaker 4: Yesterday, at the White House, spokesperson Carolyn Levitt was pressed

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Speaker 4: on the question of how is it appropriate that son

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Speaker 4: in law Jared Kushnu, who no longer has an official

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Speaker 4: role in the White House but does have business Intagonoleans

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Speaker 4: all throughout the Gulf, is allowed to be involved with

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Speaker 4: those countries.

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Speaker 1: Let's fall this.

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Speaker 5: How did the White House decide that it is appropriate

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Speaker 5: for Jared Kushner to be working on matters that involve guitar?

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Speaker 5: The UA in Saudi Arabia, three countries that combined have

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Speaker 5: given him more than two point five billion dollars for

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Speaker 5: his investment firm.

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Speaker 6: I think it's frankly despicable that you're trying to suggest

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Speaker 6: that it's inappropriate for Jared Kushner, who is widely respected

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Speaker 6: around the world and has great trust in relationships with

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Speaker 6: these critical partners in these countries, to strike a twenty

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Speaker 6: point comprehensive, detailed peace plan that no other administration would

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Speaker 6: ever be able to achieve.

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Speaker 1: And so Jared is.

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Speaker 6: Donating his energy and his time to our government, to

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Speaker 6: the President of the United States to secure world peace,

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Speaker 6: and that is a very noble thing.

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Speaker 4: Twenty point plan has not actually been accepted yet by

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Speaker 4: Palestinian factions, waiting on word on that Jeremy's scale at

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Speaker 4: Dropsite has a good story interviewing some top PHJ official

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Speaker 4: and others on our Top of Moss official.

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Speaker 1: On where they stand on that.

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Speaker 4: But setting that aside, there's something so deeply instructive about

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Speaker 4: the Karlen Levitt finding it offensive to even suggest that

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Speaker 4: two point five billion dollars might influence Jared Kushner's object

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Speaker 4: He's widely respected around the world. Right, He's very widely

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Speaker 4: respected around the world. The elephant in the Middle East

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Speaker 4: is has been Steve Whitkoff, who is friends with friends

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Speaker 4: of my frenemies, because like you know, they're both in

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Speaker 4: real estate and development, so they're you know, they're they're

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Speaker 4: and they're both raising money from the golf, so that

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Speaker 4: puts them in both in competition and in some harmony

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Speaker 4: here and there. Witkoff himself has been you know, working

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Speaker 4: on issues all over the world, but in particularly the golf,

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Speaker 4: while his two sons, Zach and Alex Whitkof have been

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Speaker 4: it with either bitcoin or or dollars. We can put

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Speaker 4: up this next element up on the screens New York

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Speaker 4: Times investigation into Alex Witkoff, where Midi's envoy pitched piece,

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Speaker 4: his son pitched investors.

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Speaker 1: And they haven't they haven't dead the rights here.

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Speaker 4: So basically as Witcoff is working on the cees Fire

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Speaker 4: amount of influence over hamas Alex Witcoff of the Witcoff Group,

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Speaker 4: which also has Steve Whitkoff as a member. Like Steve

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Speaker 4: Witkoff sold some of his shares but is still an

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Speaker 4: owner of the Witcoff Group. Even if he wasn't it's

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Speaker 4: his sons, So there's you're not delinking that, yes, but

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Speaker 4: he still is literally an owner of the Witcoff Group.

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Speaker 4: So his son Alix goes to the golf and hits

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Speaker 4: up the Cutteries and says, we want money for this

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Speaker 4: for the witcough Group, like give us money for these investments,

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Speaker 4: and the and the Cutteries confirmed it. The history here

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Speaker 4: is very instructive. In twenty seventeen, Jared, when Jared Kushner

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Speaker 4: was actually in the White House, his company went to

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Speaker 4: cutter to try to get a bailout for their six

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Speaker 4: Kushner at the time bought I think it was for

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Speaker 4: The loans are coming due twenty seventeen, he goes to

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Speaker 4: this is a terrible investment, and they turn him down.

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Speaker 4: They thought they were getting an investment offer. This was

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Speaker 4: This was a shakedown. Within weeks of them saying no

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Speaker 1: Instead, they launch a blockade.

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Speaker 4: Yes I remember this on the economy of Kutter, which

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Speaker 4: Rex Tillerson immediately comes in and slams Saudi Arabia and

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Speaker 4: the Amoradi, saying, what are you doing? These are our allies.

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Speaker 4: We have a base here. You cannot blockade this country.

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Speaker 4: Jared Kushner comes in, and all of this has been

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Speaker 4: He comes in and says, oh, no, no, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: The qataris here.

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Speaker 4: That blockade lasted all the way through the Trump administration,

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Speaker 4: badly damaged the county economy. Only when Biden came in

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Speaker 4: talked to a very high level official from KUTZ who said,

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Speaker 4: if we had known what the cost was going to be,

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Speaker 4: of saying, you would know to the Kushners, we would

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Speaker 4: have paid it.

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Speaker 1: We wish we had paid it. So that sets up Witkough.

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Speaker 4: And so although Kushner day two of like his post

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Speaker 1: Into this which we've extensively talked about.

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Speaker 4: Private equity fund, which is there's no evidence they've invested

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Speaker 3: Well, and you remember Ryan that the internal documents released

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Speaker 3: by the Times, they were like, this isn't a good.

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Speaker 1: Investment, but we're going to do it. Some of those docums. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were like, well we're going to do it because

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Speaker 3: Two point five billion is nothing, you know, paid for,

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Speaker 3: level of influence in the potential future next administration.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: And of course Jared Kushner was present at the press

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Speaker 3: conference with Prime Minister Netanyahu and Trump talking about the

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Speaker 3: Gaza Lago future development. He of course has been pitching

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Speaker 4: Right exactly, And so when and Kushner actually instructed the

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Speaker 4: Tony Blair Institute. Back in the Spring Times, Visrael just

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Speaker 4: reported this instructing Tony blairans who come up with a

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Speaker 4: post war, post war plan for redevelopment. And then Trump

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Speaker 4: puts Tony Blair and Larry Ellison has given or pledged

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Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty million dollars to the Tony Blair Institute.

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Speaker 4: So this is an Allison project over here. And so

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Speaker 4: that is the context for when Alex Whitcoff is going

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Speaker 4: to Doha asking for investments. They understand that this is

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Speaker 4: not a here's a pitch deck, and we think that

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Speaker 4: you know, you're looking at a good you know, four

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Speaker 4: and a half to five and a half percent return

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Speaker 4: on your investment. It's a nice little country you've got here.

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Speaker 4: Real shame if something would happen to it.

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Speaker 1: And so and so the wit Coughs are.

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Speaker 4: Deeply in bed with the countries, which goes to the

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Speaker 4: point that you were making at the top of the

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Speaker 4: pro you get the israelis complaining a lot about Witcoff's

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Speaker 1: Like, okay, you know what, Yeah, we're gonna give it

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Speaker 1: to him. As they said in Ireland, fair play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're giving it to him.

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Speaker 3: To be fair, The katari Is say that they did

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Speaker 3: not invest actually in the fund, at least this specific time.

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Speaker 3: They do note quote as recently as made, the wick

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Speaker 3: cough Group did receive some one hundred million from a

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Speaker 3: financial trust that is run by the private equity firm

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Speaker 3: Apollo Global, which is partly owned by Guitar.

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Speaker 1: They're going to find some way to not piss them off.

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Speaker 3: The Wickcoff families relationship with Qatar traces back to the

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Speaker 3: first Trump administration, including Stick Wickcoff. By the time Trump

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Speaker 3: and the Wickcoff Group saw Qatar as a quote go

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Speaker 3: to source of funding. Now the current White House is

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Speaker 3: defending it, saying this is a smear of Steve Wickcoff.

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Speaker 1: They say Qatar has used as.

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Speaker 3: Five hundred and fifty seven billion dollars sovereign wealth fund

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Speaker 3: to a mass global influence in the US. Focal point

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Speaker 3: has been real estate investment, and that they have pounded

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Speaker 3: more than four were billion dollars into the Manhattan real

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Speaker 3: estate market alone, including the Plaza, the Saint Regis, and

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Speaker 3: a stake in the Empire State Building. Now this has

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Speaker 3: basically been a golf project now for some time. Right,

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Speaker 3: this is the wick Hoffs see Jared Kushner. This gets

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Speaker 3: to the original question. But what I have not stopped

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Speaker 3: being able to think about is Jeremy Skahill. In our

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Speaker 3: and that's part of the reason that this deal may

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, man, that.

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Speaker 3: Is dark think about in terms of his own personal

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Speaker 3: influence may want to see something like this happen and

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Speaker 3: By the way, all of this is a lead in

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Speaker 3: to an extraordinary diplomatic development that is honestly insane. Let's

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Speaker 3: has now given Katar a quote unprecedented security guarantee after

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Speaker 3: the Israeli attack. He says an executive order signed by

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Speaker 3: conditions similar to NATO's Article five. Everybody keep in mind

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Speaker 1: Issues with NATO.

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Speaker 3: As anybody watches the show knows at the least NATO

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Speaker 3: is ratified by the US Senate. Okay, there's a legal

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Speaker 3: process through which we all agree. I guess that we're

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Speaker 3: going to die for North Montenegro, Macedonia or whatever. Stupid

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, but whatever, it's still ratified by our

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Speaker 3: democratic process. Well, this is just by executive fiat that

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Speaker 3: the United States will have give similar Article five protection.

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Speaker 3: They say, the Unprecedented Security Agreement says it will treat

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Speaker 3: any armed attack on the country as a threat to

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Speaker 3: the peace and security of the United States. I do

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Speaker 3: not think people understand how insane it is to have

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Speaker 3: an executive fiat order security guarantee. Not only is that

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Speaker 3: not how it's supposed to work, it's it's wild and

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Speaker 3: it's one of those where look to the original premise

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Speaker 3: of the question, does Qatari influence on the Trump people's

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Speaker 3: orbit have anything to do with this? I cannot rule

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Speaker 3: that out. I cannot rule that out at this time.

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Speaker 4: I think, I mean, can you imagine how pure I

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Speaker 4: soul you would have to be for billions of dollars

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Speaker 4: not to have any influence.

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Speaker 1: On right of course people, it's nonsensical. People are swayed

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Speaker 1: by like a free app.

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Speaker 3: Exactly advertiser, not all probably, you're exactly right. Yeah, It's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, getting a disc a two dollars fifty cent

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Speaker 3: discount at Starbucks is enough to like cause a line

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Speaker 4: Right, and this was the most likely way it was

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Speaker 4: I know there was a lot of liberal freak out

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Speaker 4: about Elon and Twitter.

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Speaker 3: I think the Ellison family is way more effective right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's just think about it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like we have the TikTok connection now in terms

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Speaker 3: of the back like the data which will be five

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Speaker 3: we can put that up there about quote, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you can't even make this stuff up. Like after buying Paramount,

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Speaker 3: the like Larry Ellison's son now wants to buy Warner

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Speaker 3: Brothers Discovery.

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Speaker 1: This is David Ellison.

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Speaker 3: This is the guy who loves Barry Weiss. Well, this

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Speaker 3: is one of the richest families in the world. Who

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Speaker 3: is now controlling CBS News, Paramount sky Dance, which is

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Speaker 3: one of the biggest movie studios, Paramount Plus, which means

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Speaker 3: a ton of like the red meat content which is created,

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Speaker 3: you know, the whole Taylor Sheridan universe, et cetera. Now

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Speaker 3: they want to buy WBD, so they would own CNN,

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Speaker 3: they would own HBO Max. Now they're going to own TikTok.

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Speaker 3: Not to mention Oracle, which is the backbone of like

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Speaker 3: the computer data centers over the.

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Speaker 4: Indig already does the data work for TikTok, Yeah, which

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Speaker 4: was the original, right is the original thing.

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Speaker 1: So put that all together and you're like, hey, whoa, Like,

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Speaker 1: we got it. We've been chasing the wrong That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, leftists wake up Elon. Yes, he's the

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Speaker 3: villain of old it's the Ellison family now like it's wild, but.

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Speaker 1: You know he's also he's weird.

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Speaker 3: You know, Larry Elson owns an entire private island in

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Speaker 3: Hawaiian He owns a rich Carlton hotel and basically runs

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Speaker 3: his own little kingdom.

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Speaker 1: You can go read about it. It's wild.

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Speaker 3: He has somehow you know, been under the radar. Obviously

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Speaker 3: it's been very influential on Republican politics. But the level

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Speaker 3: of control now that this family has over American political

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Speaker 3: discourse and particularly has like an unending you know, basically

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Speaker 3: desire to shape American public opinion to be pro Israel,

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Speaker 3: we should all be very very skeptical.

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Speaker 4: So we also have a quote in this story from Oracle,

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Speaker 4: CEO of Saffra Catz saying, this is from one of

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Speaker 4: the emails. We believe that we have to embed the

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Speaker 4: love and respect for Israel in the American culture.

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Speaker 1: Okay, like they're very explicit.

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Speaker 3: About and that was from twenty fifteen, right, this is

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Speaker 3: before this is even a thing ten years ago.

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Speaker 4: And if and to your point about Ellison and his interestingness,

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Speaker 4: let's roll e six.

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Speaker 1: If you think you think you're not bother enough, see

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Speaker 1: let's roll six.

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Speaker 7: Your body cams will be transmitting that the police will

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Speaker 7: be on their best behavior because we record. We're constantly recording,

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Speaker 7: watching and recording everything that's going on. Citizens will be

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Speaker 7: on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting

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Speaker 7: everything that's going on.

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Speaker 8: When you come to government and what government's doing, they're

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Speaker 8: obviously there are artificial intelligence tools, and some of them,

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Speaker 8: I know the Oracle, have developed around financial management for government.

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Speaker 8: But also tell us a bit about what, because you're

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Speaker 8: right at the forefront of this revolution, what it means

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Speaker 8: for what government should do in terms of its digital infrastructure,

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Speaker 8: you know, digitaliz D, data centers and so on.

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Speaker 7: How do you take advantage of these incredible AI models.

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Speaker 7: And the first thing a country needs to do is

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Speaker 7: to unify all of their data so it.

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Speaker 9: Can be consumed and used.

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Speaker 7: By the AI model. You have to take all of

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Speaker 7: your healthcare data, your diagnostic data, your electronic health records,

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Speaker 7: your genomic data, and you know in the Middle East,

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Speaker 7: in the UA, for example, data they're incredibly rich in data.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm out. I'm out on that.

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Speaker 4: I regret to inform you it is too late. He

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Speaker 4: is now basically the most powerful man in the world.

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Speaker 4: I just want to underline what he just said. Citizens

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Speaker 4: will be on their best behavior because we are constantly

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Speaker 4: recording and reporting everything that's going on.

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Speaker 3: See, this is where I'm just like, you know, might

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Speaker 3: as well be China because at least the government and

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Speaker 3: not I would at least take the government. I'm being said,

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Speaker 3: I would take the authoritary in Chinese government over.

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Speaker 4: That because there's at least some participatory democratic ways to

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Speaker 4: pressure that government. They don't have elections, but here we're

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Speaker 4: going to have the worst of all worlds because we'll

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Speaker 4: have the outlet of fake elections where people's anger at

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Speaker 4: the system can be channeled into these days where you

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Speaker 4: go and check a box, when it goes into a void,

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Speaker 4: its just poof gone.

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Speaker 1: You gotta be.

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Speaker 3: Careful before you go down that road rhyme. It might

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Speaker 3: lead you to some interesting theories of governance.

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Speaker 4: All right, Okay, I mean, look, we tried this one

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Speaker 4: and this is what we're getting.

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Speaker 1: That's true. All right, let's get to TikTok. Okay.

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Speaker 4: Now, moving to TikTok, which Larry Elson is in the

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Speaker 4: process of taking over. We're going to be joined by

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Speaker 4: Guy Christiansen, who is the creator behind the account, your

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Speaker 4: favorite guy.

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Speaker 1: Guy. Welcome to Breaking Points, Thanks for joining us. Good

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Speaker 1: to see you, guy.

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Speaker 4: So you're going to walk a couple of boomers through

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Speaker 4: what is going on over at TikTok and so and

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Speaker 4: we've been talking offline.

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Speaker 1: You've been trying to educate me with some success.

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Speaker 4: But you know you've got a lot of it's a

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Speaker 4: difficult task, so it's not on you. So tell me

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Speaker 4: what I'm gonna was September what is it, thirteenth or

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Speaker 4: twenty third?

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Speaker 9: September thirteenth?

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, So what happened on September thirteenth?

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Speaker 10: TikTok changed their free speech guidelines and it has to

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Speaker 10: do with their new hate speech zar who was hired

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Speaker 10: through ADO lobbying.

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Speaker 9: Her name is Erica Mendel.

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Speaker 10: She's an next IDF instructor, she's a former State Department contractor,

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Speaker 10: and she says that Zionism is an identity.

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Speaker 9: That goes hand in hand with Judaism for her.

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Speaker 10: And so TikTok hired Erica Mendel under pressure by IDEO lobbying,

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Speaker 10: which you know, the National Policy Director takes credit for.

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Speaker 10: And about two or three days after they hired Mendel,

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Speaker 10: everyone whoses TikTok actually saw this. They pushed out a

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Speaker 10: post notification when you open the app says they're changing

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Speaker 10: the guidelines. And in these guidelines, they changed a whole

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Speaker 10: bunch of things around. That makes it so much harder

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Speaker 10: to talk about Palestine. You can't talk about graphic incidents

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Speaker 10: or violence in the context of a public interest, and

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Speaker 10: they explicitly list war as something you can't talk about.

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Speaker 10: They make it much harder to criticize the state of

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Speaker 10: Israel as an illegal apartheid state or characterize the IDF

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Speaker 10: as terrorist forces in the way they lay out criticisms

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Speaker 10: of national origin.

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Speaker 4: And I also noticed that it's said that if you

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Speaker 4: mentioned and I do reporting on TikTok now, and so

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Speaker 4: I will say, like, let's do this like one or

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Speaker 4: two minute videos where I'm saying like, okay, this is

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Speaker 4: Hamasa is responding to. And I don't even do the

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Speaker 4: like I know that some people will say like h

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Speaker 4: because they're worried about the algorithm not spreading their stuff.

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Speaker 4: I don't care if it's spreads stuff because we end

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Speaker 4: up then posting the video on Twitter and Instagram whatever.

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Speaker 1: So I just use all the words.

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Speaker 4: But like I will say, like, okay, Hamas has received

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Speaker 4: the takeuler leave at sea's fire offer from Trump in Israel.

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Speaker 4: Here is what Hamas is saying, Here's what pousetsum Hot

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Speaker 4: is saying. Because I'm a news reporter and like, those

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Speaker 4: are the organizations that are involved in the news.

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Speaker 1: And I saw correct what I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: I thought I saw in the guidelines that every time

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Speaker 4: I mentioned them, I have to then follow that up

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Speaker 4: by condemning their existence.

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Speaker 1: Is that, like, how how does this work?

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Speaker 9: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 10: They require anyone who makes videos on TikTok now to

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Speaker 10: explicitly denounce all designated terrorist organizations by the State Department

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Speaker 10: when mentioned in a neutral context.

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Speaker 4: So instead of praise be upon him, as.

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Speaker 1: Condemnation be upon them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you has said that within seventy two hours they

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Speaker 4: will respond to this.

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Speaker 1: So crazy? All right?

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Speaker 3: So guy, I know you have compiled some Can we

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Speaker 3: have some examples? Can we put these on the screen

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Speaker 3: so you can just explain it again to a boomer

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Speaker 3: like me, some of these things about why videos are

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Speaker 3: getting taken down, just just walk us through these.

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Speaker 10: So just to put it into context, prior to the

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Speaker 10: September thirteen changes, prior to Erica Mendel entering the company,

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Speaker 10: I looked at before I came on the past six

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Speaker 10: months what happened, and I only had two videos taken down?

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Speaker 10: And since September thirteenth, it's been eleven Wow, and it's

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Speaker 10: not been that long since you know, they switched over.

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Speaker 10: So what you're looking at here are notification screens that

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Speaker 10: TikTok sends creators when they remove their videos, and so

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Speaker 10: you'll see on the left, I'm trying to submit an appeal.

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Speaker 10: That was a video where I talked about Max's reporting

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Speaker 10: and the grays Zone, about Charlie Kirk and his supposed

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Speaker 10: to turn on Israel leading up to his death. And

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Speaker 10: you know, the guidelines make a cut out for public interests,

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Speaker 10: and so I thought I could appeal, but of course not.

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Speaker 10: They took it off the for you page and all feeds,

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Speaker 10: which you can see here on the right where it's

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Speaker 10: just visibility restricted. It's not eligible for the forty feed.

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Speaker 10: That means nobody can see it unless they explicitly like

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Speaker 10: open up my profile and go to my page and

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Speaker 10: find the specific video, or else they're not going to

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Speaker 10: see it at all.

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Speaker 3: Huh, that is crazy. Do we have any more guys

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Speaker 3: that we can show here? Yeah, so yeah, we have

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Speaker 3: a few more here. There's one here on the right

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Speaker 3: where what is this one about?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? This is again the gray Zone report where I

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Speaker 1: think it was.

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Speaker 10: I think there were multiple videos about Grayzone reporting that

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Speaker 10: we're removed talking about Israel or Charlie Kirk. And then

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Speaker 10: on the left is actually a screenshot trying to show

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Speaker 10: that there's no option to appeal, so there's no recourse

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Speaker 10: for that.

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Speaker 1: And what about these two what do we see here?

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Speaker 10: So the one on the left is you'll see your

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Speaker 10: videos under review and can't be shared right now. TikTok

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Speaker 10: does this thing. It's essentially a shadow banning where they

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Speaker 10: don't actually tell you it's taken down, but nobody can

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Speaker 10: see it. So it's like in this limbo stage. That

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Speaker 10: was a video I published last night that thankful went

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Speaker 10: through the review system, but it can get stuck in

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Speaker 10: this limbo for up to twenty four hours or longer,

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Speaker 10: which is what happened with this interview on the video

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Speaker 10: the right, which is now able to be viewed in

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Speaker 10: my profile, but it's not able to be pushed in feeds, so.

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Speaker 9: It's stuck at like a few thousand views.

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Speaker 1: And so and this was an interview you did.

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Speaker 4: You were at the ADC conference out out in Dearborn, right,

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Speaker 4: so you did an interview there and then it just

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Speaker 4: it takes like days for it to post.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so it went up and I think it got

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Speaker 10: you know, sometimes I lit it out in the feed.

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Speaker 10: I got like a hundred likes and then they took

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Speaker 10: it off the for you page and for I think

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Speaker 10: it was like thirty six hours.

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Speaker 4: And what are you saying in these videos that you

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Speaker 4: think is triggering? Well A, I mean, I think you've

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Speaker 4: had some controversial interactions with them. Maybe are they like

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Speaker 4: looking at you specifically or are you saying things in

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Speaker 4: these videos that is triggering?

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Speaker 1: We're both like, what do you think is going on?

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Speaker 10: I think that I'm not being targeted specifically yet as

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Speaker 10: far as I can tell, what all these videos have

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Speaker 10: in common that have been removed since September thirteenth, or

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Speaker 10: that I am talking about Israel. I'm talking about, you know,

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Speaker 10: apex influence, I'm talking about Larry Ellison and the attempt

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Speaker 10: to put TikTok under Zionists control. I'm criticizing Israel in

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Speaker 10: some way, and it's the same thing I've heard from

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Speaker 10: my audience, my friends who are creators, ever since September thirteenth,

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Speaker 10: they've had the same exact experience. Videos that are more

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Speaker 10: informational and critical of Israel get removed. Sometimes, like comedy videos,

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Speaker 10: lighter criticisms of Israel can make it through. But that's

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Speaker 10: been all of our experience, and I did want to

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Speaker 10: point out that in the new free speech guidelines, TikTok

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Speaker 10: outlines these conspiracy theories that blame quote unquote powerful groups

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Speaker 10: and are likely to undermine public confidence. And I believe

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Speaker 10: that this is the part of the guidelines that they've

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Speaker 10: been using to justify taking down videos criticizing Apak, the

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Speaker 10: pros or a lobby Zionus influenced in the United States.

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Speaker 9: It's so vague.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is so crazy guy.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, I mean the idea that you

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Speaker 3: can't mention Hamas without saying I condemn Hamas is preposterous.

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Speaker 3: How are you supposed to do any reporting, you know whatsoever?

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Speaker 3: YouTube tried to do this at one point where we

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Speaker 3: weren't allowed to play videos of Trump claiming the election

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Speaker 3: was stolen, and I was like, he does that every

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Speaker 3: time he's spent slight How can we possibly cover this?

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Speaker 4: And they wanted us to come in and they want

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Speaker 4: to yeah, it wasn't stolen.

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Speaker 1: Right, They wanted us to come every time. How am

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Speaker 1: I supposed to do that? How am I supposed to

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Speaker 1: do my job?

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Speaker 3: But for you, I mean, I guess, look at the

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Speaker 3: very least that was done for our country, right, you

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Speaker 3: know here we're talking about a different country. Guy, in terms,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know about your career or any

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Speaker 3: of that. Are you going to be able to continue

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Speaker 3: to make a living you and you know, other creators

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Speaker 3: and et cetera, the kind of rely on this, Like

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Speaker 3: how is this affecting the entire ecosystem of political creators

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Speaker 3: on TikTok so?

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Speaker 10: I would assume that it's demonetizing everybody pretty much across

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Speaker 10: the board, because another aspect of getting your video taken

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Speaker 10: off the feed, taking off the fore you recommendation feed,

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Speaker 10: is that if you get a certain number of these

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Speaker 10: quote unquote violations or like soft violations, like five of

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Speaker 10: them in the span of a month, you're kicked out

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Speaker 10: of the out of the monetization program and you can't

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Speaker 10: get any payments for any work you do on TikTok.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 9: You know that's about to happened to me.

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Speaker 10: It's happened to me a few times in the past

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Speaker 10: two years as I've advocated for Palestinian liberation. But I mean,

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Speaker 10: how are we meant to do our advocacy when we

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Speaker 10: can't even name the state, We can't reference their crimes,

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Speaker 10: We can't discuss the censorship, and they're like, I mean,

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Speaker 10: there's such a thing going on where you can't talk

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Speaker 10: about Larry Ellison and or natan Yahoo meeting with American influencers.

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Speaker 1: That's nuts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they can post their videos of doging Manetta.

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Speaker 3: Now you can't post about it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: What do you think the long term implications of this

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Speaker 4: would be?

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Speaker 1: Because there's there's this.

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Speaker 4: Idea among the Larry Ellison types of the world and

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Speaker 4: Marco Rubio's and others that that TikTok and Instagram really

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Speaker 4: did change people's understanding of what was going what was

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Speaker 4: of Israel because they were able to see the images

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Speaker 4: of what was happening in Gaza, which which then implies

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Speaker 4: that there's some world that they are able to create

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Speaker 4: in which people would not be able to see those images.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just skeptical that any amount of algorithmic suppression

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Speaker 4: can it can fully suppress an ongoing assault of two

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Speaker 4: million people on a daily basis, Like it's got to

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Speaker 4: like it's going to get through somehow. And to me,

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Speaker 4: the YouTube Spotify in particular remain like the places where

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Speaker 4: people actually go to shape their thinking and their ideology.

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Speaker 4: Because that's where you spend more time engaged in thought

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Speaker 4: with in long form, with this show or whether it's

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Speaker 4: Rogan or whoever you're listening to, Whereas TikTok and Instagram

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Speaker 4: and the others, that's just kind of some basic raw

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Speaker 4: material that I suspect you could get elsewhere. But maybe

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Speaker 4: I'm wrong, and maybe they actually can lock all this down.

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Speaker 4: So from your understanding of how young people consume media,

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Speaker 4: is it is there a way that they could actually

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Speaker 4: algorithmically lock all this down.

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Speaker 10: I think that it's pretty scary to see Trump talk

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Speaker 10: about retraining the algorithm in connection with what nan Ya

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Speaker 10: who has said about how this TikTok purchase is number

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Speaker 10: one for their eighth front of the digital war. It's

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Speaker 10: going to be very consequential, and it's so it's entirely

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Speaker 10: possible that they can, you know, block out all Palestine

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Speaker 10: related content, all left wing content. It's possible, But I

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Speaker 10: think that the cat's pretty much out of the bag

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Speaker 10: here in America. If you had come and asked me

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Speaker 10: a year earlier, I might be saying something different. But

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Speaker 10: we're the majority who are here in America who are

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Speaker 10: calling it genocide.

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Speaker 9: What Israel's doing to Gaza.

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Speaker 10: And you know, I'm talking to people, I'm talking to

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Speaker 10: people my age across the political spectrum all the time.

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Speaker 10: You know, the one thing I hear coming out of

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Speaker 10: every single one of their mouths is the word apek.

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Speaker 9: They know.

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Speaker 10: And so when Israel continues to make these moves and

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Speaker 10: become bolder, more aggressive and desperate and trying to win

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Speaker 10: back the narrative, when back American support, it's only I

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Speaker 10: think going to backfire on them. You know, the ADL

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Speaker 10: just got attacked by the right on X.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I'm eating anything to take down the ADL.

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Speaker 10: But you know, every single time they are exposed pain

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Speaker 10: influencers seven thousand dollars a post, and like in that

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Speaker 10: recent Farah released by Wiki Leaks and Responsible state Craft,

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Speaker 10: it just brings more attention on them. And people are

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Speaker 10: not gonna you know, there's a rapidly declined trust in

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Speaker 10: any pros or voices they do see on social media

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Speaker 10: or on news outlets anymore. And so I think this

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Speaker 10: is just like a losing game. It may even be

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Speaker 10: a better strategy, I think, to try to start influencing

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Speaker 10: this in the shadows once again.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know if guy, thanks for joining us, man,

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Speaker 3: and please do keep us updated. If you get banned

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Speaker 3: or anything like that, let us know and we'll keep

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Speaker 3: everybody updated.

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Speaker 1: But very insightful.

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Speaker 3: Again, as a boomer doesn't use TikTok, I actually cannot

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Speaker 3: believe those content guidelines.

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Speaker 1: That is nuts. Well, all right, okay, we'll see you later.

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Speaker 9: Guy, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. Thank you Ryan.

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Speaker 3: There will be a Friday show tomorrow. Everybody enjoy that

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Speaker 3: and we'll see you all later.

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Speaker 4: Wanted to put

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Speaker 8: Wou