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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by my right hand man, Tony

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Speaker 2: Peterson to discuss his biggest wins, misses and mistakes, lessons learned,

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Speaker 2: and book recommendations from the twenty twenty three season. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by First Light and their Camo for Conservation initiative,

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Speaker 2: which I've always been a big fan of because what

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Speaker 2: it does it sends a portion of all sales of

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Speaker 2: First Light's whitetail Camo gear to the National Deer Association.

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Speaker 2: And I've always been a big fan of the National

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Speaker 2: Deer Association. But I have some news related to the NDA. Tony,

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Speaker 2: I'm now, I guess extra biased towards us helping the

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Speaker 2: NDA because I am now on the board of directors

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Speaker 2: for the National Deer Association.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so hopefully going to be able to do some

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Speaker 2: more good stuff for the NDA. Between First lights, donations,

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Speaker 2: and hopefully I can offer an idea two and we'll

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Speaker 2: keep on keeping on when it comes to making sure

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Speaker 2: the white tails and white tail hunt's good in this country.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: That's cool man, Yeah, so that's exciting news. In other news,

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Speaker 2: last week, Tony, I did something that I don't do often,

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Speaker 2: which is a solo podcast, and you do it every

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Speaker 2: week on Foundations, But I did a solo one last

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Speaker 2: week in which I just went through the nerdy thing

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Speaker 2: that I do and my wife do here at home

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Speaker 2: for our day to day life, which is every year

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Speaker 2: we do this annual review where we talked through kind

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Speaker 2: of all of our highlights from the last year, any

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Speaker 2: possible low lights. We kind of review our goals from

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Speaker 2: the last year and then start planning for twenty four,

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Speaker 2: planning for the next year. So we talked through, you know,

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Speaker 2: different goals, different ideas, trips, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: So I did that last week on the show and

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Speaker 2: kind of talk through how I do that, why I

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Speaker 2: do that, and specifically how you could do that for

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Speaker 2: your hunting season. And since you left me all by

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Speaker 2: myself last week and didn't have to go through that process,

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Speaker 2: I thought this week I should force you to do

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Speaker 2: that a little bit today with me. Are you game

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Speaker 2: for that?

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Speaker 3: So hold on, I'm being vilified for you going rogue.

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Speaker 3: You can get a hold of me multiple ways, and

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Speaker 3: you didn't try to get me on there. You decided

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Speaker 3: you're just it's your show, You're gonna do it. And

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Speaker 3: now I'm at fault somehow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so now you really are sounding like my wife?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it felt like we got married there. I

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Speaker 3: was like, Wow, that was a weird shot to take

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Speaker 3: at me, Mark.

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Speaker 2: So, regardless of that very legitimate feedback, are you game

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Speaker 2: Okay, first off, though, good, good Christmas break, a holiday vacation,

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Speaker 3: It was good. I've been you know, I talked to

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Speaker 3: three fold days of holiday stuff in a row is

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Speaker 2: Are you really are you really that scroogey? You really

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Speaker 3: I man, I would if the girls wanted it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: It's all nobody would Nobody would know that you lived there,

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Speaker 3: No, no way, Yeah, same here.

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Speaker 2: But isn't that the bargain like we make like that's

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Speaker 2: in exchange for them letting us go do crazy stuff

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Speaker 2: all over the state, in the country, do our thing.

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Speaker 2: We grant full dominion of the home and the rest

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Speaker 3: I don't think we grant it, buddy. I think it's

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Speaker 2: That's a good point. We we're lucky to get our

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Speaker 3: I think it's like what's going on with space and

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Speaker 3: I'll throw some euro amounts up or whatever. Here's my books,

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Speaker 2: It took all of four minutes, in fifty four seconds

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Speaker 2: you get a space reference in. That's good, that's real good.

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Speaker 3: I'm not done yet, Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man. Yeah, so I hear you, I hear you,

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. I do like Christmas, but but

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Speaker 2: it does get to be a lot. This year was

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Speaker 2: like a marathon for us too. We had three days

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Speaker 2: like almost seven days straight. That's that's a lot. That's enough,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the like when you look back on twenty

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Speaker 3: There's So my goal for a couple of years has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you take it for granted until all of a

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Speaker 3: be true, Okay, that's fine, move on. But I just

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00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 3: kept finding like it it kind of kept being true.

437
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good feeling when you when the

438
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: second guessing is is not the loudest voice in your head,

439
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 2: when you're instead sitting there like, hey, I feel confident

440
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: in this thing, and I have an idea and I

441
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 2: have a plan. B if that doesn't work out, I'm

442
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm not to the same point you are

443
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 2: because you've got a decade on me. But I definitely

444
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 2: can see like the change in that for myself over

445
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 2: the over the last decade and just how much more

446
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: confident I am out there and how much more comfortable

447
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: I am with like, Okay, this is what's in front

448
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: of me, this is my plan and why I think

449
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: this will work, and I feel very confident in why

450
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: this is something that should work, but if not, I'll shift,

451
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: I'll shift. But yeah, like that sense of I don't

452
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: want to say certainty because I don't think you're ever

453
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: certain out there, but just confidence and like and comfort

454
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: maybe with what's happening and why you're doing it. That

455
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 2: is a really reassuring feeling out there versus you know,

456
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: ten fifteen years ago when I was out there, like

457
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,479
Speaker 2: should I be doing this or this or this or ah,

458
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't.

459
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: Know, dude, it's important, man. And I think like on

460
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: that line too, if you're like, this is this is

461
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 3: where I think it's gonna happen, not not how necessarily,

462
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: but if you're like I'm hunting this farm or I'm

463
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: hunting this property and you're like, the signs pointing here,

464
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: the conditions are pointing here, then you go, Okay, I

465
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 3: have that thing I believe in, and so now it's like, okay,

466
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: if the conditions aren't ripe for it tonight, it's like

467
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: I don't I don't mind backing off and doing something

468
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: else then, And it sort of gives you a little

469
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 3: leeway with a lower confidence hunt. If you know, like

470
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: in your back pocket, you're like, okay, I'm when it

471
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 3: when it breaks right, I'm going right there and that's

472
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: where I want to be the most. Then I don't

473
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 3: like I noticed this a lot of my public land hunts,

474
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 3: because I'll find a few places like that. But you know,

475
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 3: as well as I do, like front's roll in, people

476
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: walk in, trucks are parked there, whatever, And if that's

477
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 3: like all you're hanging your hat on, then it's it

478
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 3: messes with you bad. Or if you you know, if

479
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: you have a four or five day hunt, you look

480
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: at the forecast, you know, like like when we went

481
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: to Oklah it was eighty five degrees when I got

482
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: down there, and I'm like, I'm gonna kill them on water,

483
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: and a cold front came in, which happens to me

484
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: all the time, and the entire plan changed. But I

485
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 3: had I had run across some mast while scouting and

486
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: some other stuff, and so it was like, even though

487
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: that thing might not work, I found another thing that

488
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 3: I feel just as good about. I just might have

489
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: to tweak it a little bit or whatever. But you

490
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: just like when you when you get into that state,

491
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: it's sort of like you don't have a bad sit

492
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: because even if you go do a backup one because

493
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: you're playing it safe or you couldn't get in there

494
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 3: for some reason. You're like, I still have that, and

495
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 3: I'm still doing something at a certain level up to it.

496
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 3: And I just I think that that feeling of just

497
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: going in there and being like I believe in this

498
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: enough for that, and then the backup enough for that,

499
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 3: it's just it's a game changer for you.

500
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you in that. What about the flip side, though, Like,

501
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: what's what's the thing? Is there anything still this year

502
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 2: that gave you the eh feeling that gave you like

503
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: the that left a bad taste in my mouth, or

504
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: a regret, or you left something on the field that

505
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: you you know, no looking back, you could have done differently,

506
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: you could have em better, or anything like that.

507
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. So my Wisconsin hunting, you know, I kind of

508
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 3: take it for granted that I'm gonna take my girls

509
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: over there. It's gonna be pretty easy. They'll kill a

510
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 3: couple deer and then I'll do my thing. And my

511
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: biggest regret from last year was, even though I knew

512
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: that winter was rough, I was like what I saw

513
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: in the spring and the early summer over there, I

514
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 3: was like, man, these deer came through really well. Heard

515
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: from a forester who said they came through really well.

516
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 3: And so my plan I got lazy thinking there were

517
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: enough deer there to work with. And then once we

518
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: started hunting, even when I was running trail cameras over

519
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: there and not seeing very many deer and not seeing

520
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 3: the fawns that you should, I still in my head

521
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: I was like, this is not going to be a

522
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: heavy lift this year, Like you don't need to devote

523
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: a bunch of energy to scouting over here, Like you

524
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: kind of got this thing figured out. And then you know,

525
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: my daughter killed a deer. My other one didn't got

526
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 3: into the rut. She finally killed one, and then it

527
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: was my turn. And I felt like when I was

528
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: hunting over there, even though I did kill a deer,

529
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 3: I felt like I was way behind because I believed

530
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: something that wasn't true and it kept me. It kept

531
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: me from doing what I needed to do. And so

532
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 3: when I actually got into the woods for myself, I

533
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: was like, I knew it. I'm like, you're not working

534
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 3: with nearly as many deer as you thought, and this

535
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 3: is going to be just way tougher than you expected.

536
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 3: And I and I live through it, and I was like,

537
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 3: that was so dumb, Like you had all the evidence

538
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: all year long that what you were believing going into

539
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: spring wasn't true. And I chose to believe this fake

540
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: thing because it made my life easier until I had

541
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 3: to face the reality of hunting, and then it got

542
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: a hell of a lot harder because that was what

543
00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 3: I was actually dealing with.

544
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: What could you have done differently though?

545
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: Scout? I just needed to scout more. I mean I

546
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: just took it for granted that I was going to

547
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: have way more dear to work with, and so some

548
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: of my old reliable stuff was going to work. And

549
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 3: you know, I'm real confident during that time period if

550
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: you have multiple all day sits in a row, somebody's

551
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: coming by, you know, like if you have enough spots.

552
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: And I just didn't. I did way more scouting after

553
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 3: I killed my buck. Let me put it that way,

554
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: just because I was like, don't, don't do this to

555
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: yourself again, like this will be an easy trap to

556
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: fall into. And so it was just a matter of

557
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: just putting myself in more high odd spots more often

558
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: that I didn't do.

559
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: What did you learn that additional scouting or did you

560
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: did anything light up for you and when you did

561
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: do that post kill scouting.

562
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. I'm I'm really starting to into this

563
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: when I I do this in the big woods a lot.

564
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: If I shoot a deer and I still have some

565
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: time to play around, because you know how it is

566
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: by the time you get to like your fifth or

567
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: sixth shoot of the season, or you know it's two

568
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 3: and a half months into it, if you kill one

569
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: when you're on the road, You're like, I just want

570
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: to go home. I want to go see my kids.

571
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm sick of doing this, but I'm starting to go

572
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: if you have a day or two that you can

573
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: play with, go walk, get out there and just go

574
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: look in the moment, see that sign And dude, I

575
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: ran cameras, I covered some ground and I just I

576
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: just looked for what I was missing. And what I

577
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: found was I was missing a lot and it was

578
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: just dumb. It was just it was just purely because

579
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: I went into it think it was going to be

580
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: easy and I wasn't going to have to figure out

581
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: in the moment what I needed to do. But you know,

582
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: when you're dealing with a low, low deer density, it's

583
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: all about finding just any deer first, like where's that

584
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: little tiny concentration? How do you work off of it?

585
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: And so after I killed that buck this year, I

586
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: spent you know, almost two days just walking and I

587
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: found some stuff and ran some cameras and I was like, okay,

588
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: they were they were close or you know, there there

589
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: were deer, good deer close that I was just missing

590
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: because I was working off of old information. And it

591
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: was just a it was just like a good reminder

592
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: of how easy it is to just sort of be

593
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: a little lazy and expect the rut's going to deliver

594
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: to you, and it just it's it's never that easy.

595
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So coming in twenty four, do you have is

596
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: is that it is that the thing that you want

597
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: to work on more is like more and more scouting

598
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: or is there anything else that you're thinking this season

599
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: that's like on your to do list as a big

600
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: shift or a big focus or an area like hey,

601
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta start working on this next thing,

602
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: Like what's that next focus point for you this year?

603
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna a couple of things I'm focusing on

604
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: for this year. I'm definitely gonna do probably three states

605
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: for just public land. I want to I want to

606
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: do a new state that I haven't hunted. I'm kind

607
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: of looking hard at Missouri because I've scouted it a

608
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: few times, so I've never actually deer hunted down there.

609
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: I want that part. I don't I don't know what

610
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: states exactly it'll be. I should draw Iowa this year,

611
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: so one of them will be Iowa. Uh, that's going

612
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: to be real important to me. My one daughter, my

613
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: daughter who killed that decoy buck, has been talking a

614
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: lot about doing that more and so, and I killed

615
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: my buck with the decoy this year over there too,

616
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: and so I'm kind of like, I've never even hardly

617
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: considered them a viable option for most of my deer hunting.

618
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you know me, like, I'm not I'm not

619
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: a big caller, I'm not a big sense guy whatever.

620
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: But seeing the way that DSD dough worked twice last

621
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: year and how fun it was, I'm like, is there

622
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: more ways I can kind of build this in and

623
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 3: have some fun with it and just try to like

624
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: learn more, Because that's that's one of the things I

625
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: love about turkey hunting, when you start to figure out

626
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: the decoy game, especially if you both bohunt them a lot.

627
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: It's it's like really a game changer for the entire experience.

628
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: Like it's I know it's that sounds like duh, but

629
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: it's it's big. Like a lot of people, especially a

630
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: lot of people who only gun on them, don't quite

631
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: get there, like to understand how important certain decoy setups

632
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: and how you're gonna do them throughout the season. And

633
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: I just like, I feel like I'm kind of missing

634
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: that with white tails too, And it's this thing that

635
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: I could involve into my world a little bit more,

636
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: and so I'm kind of looking at that too.

637
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: M Okay, So three new states are not new states,

638
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: but one new state, three public land hunts, more decoy

639
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: what's what's like the what's like on your bucket list

640
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: still that you haven't done white tail related? That's like

641
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: the golden goose you're chasing, all right, Maybe maybe there's

642
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: not a thing like that, but is there anything? Like

643
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: you've been doing this a long time, Tony, You've done

644
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: the public thing a long time. You don't really need

645
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: to prove that to yourself anymore or anybody else.

646
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: I do.

647
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: So like I'm talking more, I'm talking more overarching here

648
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: and maybe okay, so maybe that's the case, but like,

649
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: what's the next thing you're chasing? Like we always have

650
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: like personal somethings that we're chasing. Do you have anything

651
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: like that? Like is that like do you want to

652
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 2: kill a giant or do you want to kill an

653
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: X or a Y or every state that has public landway,

654
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 2: is there anything like that that's like in the back

655
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: of your mind?

656
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: Ever, my, my, the things that just eat away at

657
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: me are always different environments. So you know, the big

658
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: Woods thing is I'm I'm I'm like I have that

659
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: sort of on pause since my daughter started hunting, because

660
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: that's most of my time over there is for them,

661
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: and so it's like, I don't I kind of know

662
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: I don't have enough time to do what I need

663
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: to because even when I had more time, I couldn't

664
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: get it done. And so I'm like, where I'm at

665
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: now is it's sort of like just in a holding

666
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: pattern for me, but that that won't go away, Like

667
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: killing a big one in the big Woods on public

668
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: land is it's just always there. This this thing I

669
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: did with the muzzloader hunt in western Minnesota and the

670
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: cattails in that environment that I I'm you know, like

671
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: I'm only familiar with it through pheasant hunting and a

672
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: little bit of rabbit hunting, and just like a very

673
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: you know, I've only spent five days in my life,

674
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: well maybe six days of my life deer hunting. That

675
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: stuff that's like under my skin because I see, you know,

676
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: I told you this, We talked about this on the podcast.

677
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: But the one day that I was down there with

678
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: my muzzleloader and I and I followed those tracks and

679
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: jumped all those deer in the in the cattails, those

680
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: deer were as unkillable as they're gonna be. And now

681
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: you would think that's an open environment and that wouldn't

682
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: be the case. But when you're in cattails, I'm six

683
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: to two. Those cattails are way over my head, and

684
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 3: I'm like when you walk in there and they're bedded

685
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: there before first light and you go, you know, you jump,

686
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: you jump them right there, and you have a gun,

687
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: and it's like, unless you have buckshot, that would be

688
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: the only chance you might have there. And I just

689
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: I go, how do you figure? Like how do you

690
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: solve for this? Like how do you And that's that's

691
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: like the stuff that I love is like it's not

692
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: you know, it's fun to go back to some places

693
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: you like the Western River bottoms I love, and it's

694
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: it's fun to do that kind of stuff. But when

695
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: you get into an environment that says you can't do

696
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 3: this easily here, like trust me on this. They're here

697
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: and you're not going to get them that. I love that,

698
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: and so I kind of look at it that way, like,

699
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not like I got to kill a

700
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: one seventy or something like that. That just it doesn't

701
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: matter to me as much. But doing it right in

702
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: these environments where I just walk in and I'm like,

703
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have a strong basis here and

704
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: I have limited time, and you know there's a lot

705
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: of hunters using this stuff. I love that.

706
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can, I can relate. I'd say that's that's

707
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: where a lot of my just a lot of my

708
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: interest is like the the experiential aspect, like, man, I

709
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: want to kill one in this kind of way, and

710
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to figure out this kind of place.

711
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: I when to figure out this kind of adventure and

712
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: now right now, like the thing I talked about this

713
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: last week a little bit, I need like some new

714
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: adventure in my hunting, like I want to shift it

715
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: up again. And I'm not sure what that's going to

716
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: look like yet, but but I have some ideas and

717
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: and and just like give it.

718
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: What's an example, Like what's one thing you're thinking about.

719
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna hold off on the on the one

720
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm really really thinking about, but I'm like an example

721
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: of one I have talked about in the past that's

722
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: probably not next year, but like a backpacking, backcountry whitetail hunt,

723
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: like that kind of thing, like something that's like truly

724
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: different or you know, like going in. I mean, yes,

725
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: that kind of thing is the general idea. I'm thinking

726
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: of a rafting white tail trip something like that that's

727
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: just you know, different than the usual get on like

728
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: park the truck by the road, hike in, hunt for

729
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: the afternoon, hike back out, go to your tent, or

730
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: go to your house, or go wherever. I just think

731
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: so much of And I love that, right, I love

732
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: my everyday deer hunting, But I also like, you just

733
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: want new and I want to grow, and I want

734
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 2: to try new things, and I want to see what's

735
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: at the at the boundaries. Of this whole thing and

736
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: what else is out there? And one of the coolest

737
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: things about white tails, and some of my adventure seeking

738
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: is outside of white tails too. But a really cool

739
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: thing about white tails is they are almost everywhere, in

740
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: almost every different type of habitat, and you can hunt

741
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: them in so many different ways. It's very easy to

742
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: get like locked into the usual, which is like, well,

743
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: we're in hunt them from a tree in the Midwest

744
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: in farm ground, right. It's especially for those of us

745
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: that live in this area, it's very tempting to just

746
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: get sucked into that basic template. And so I still

747
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: want to do some of that, of course, but I

748
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: want to continue to explore outside color, outside of those

749
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: lines some and so this year one of my goals

750
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: is to do that. I've got I've got one very

751
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: very different idea, which which we'll talk about a later date.

752
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: But uh, but in the meantime, I'm still thinking of

753
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: like what a what a second option might be. So

754
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: so yeah, that's that's the kind of stuff that's on

755
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: my mind right now. I do want to do when

756
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: it comes to this year, I want to I got

757
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: a question for you related to one of my ideas

758
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: for a project this year and it goes like this,

759
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: you know, the Working for Wildlife to it. Right, You've

760
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: heard me doing this whole thing last year, right, traveling

761
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: around volunteering on public lands, doing various habitat projects, encouraging

762
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: volunteers to come out. So we're gonna do that again

763
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: this year. But I want to figure out a way

764
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: to tell that story through a film. And my idea

765
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: is to do this, Go do more projects, but find

766
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: one of these projects where we can do a Working

767
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: for Wildlife event. Go out there and improve wildlife habitat

768
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: volunteer and public land, but then come back and do

769
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: a hunt or a fishing trip or whatever, Come back

770
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: and do a thing on that piece of ground and

771
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: showcase like you do the work and then you reap

772
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: the rewards down the line. Like that's possible. My worry though,

773
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: is like how do you do that without spot burning?

774
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: Like how do you do that without ruining the place?

775
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: You know, because by doing a project like that, you're

776
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: people are going to be out there like we're gonna

777
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: be talking about, hey, we're on this piece of public land.

778
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: Or is there way I can do that without talking

779
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: about the place. I mean, this is something that you

780
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: and I and really anyone now with a social media

781
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: account has to think about, which is, we want to

782
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: share what we're doing, we want to talk about what

783
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: we're doing, We want to enjoy these places, but at

784
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: the same time, you don't want to unnecessarily, you know,

785
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: drive more people to a sensitive location that ends up

786
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: making it worse for wildlife, worse for hunting, et cetera,

787
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: et cetera. How do you do that? Like, that's what

788
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out that I don't know how

789
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: to do that, but I think there's got to be

790
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: a way.

791
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 3: I think you would have to. I think the easiest

792
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: way to do that, or maybe the most responsible way

793
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: to do that, would be to find some category of

794
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: project in a region and you know, planting trees or

795
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: whatever whatever it is, something like that, and then find

796
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: a different property that had had that ten years ago

797
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: or twenty years ago, or you know what I mean.

798
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: It wasn't the same thing, but it was the same

799
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: concept of here here is like a look into the

800
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: future of it instead of just going right back. But

801
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: even then people would figure it out. So I don't know,

802
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to touch this one

803
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: because I feel like you're going to get yourself into

804
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 3: trouble with the audience here, Mark.

805
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: Or what about this? What if what if the place

806
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: where we go do the volunteer work. What if I

807
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: do go back and hunt, but I shoot a tony buck,

808
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: I shoot a spike on day one, and it's so

809
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: I shoot a deer, but it's not the kind of

810
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: deer that's going to drive a thousand people to go

811
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: try and hunt there. Is that effective?

812
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: I think you should absolutely do that because I think

813
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: you think that's going to be easy, and I want

814
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: to see you do it. Just go shoot a quick

815
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: little buck, Mark, no problem.

816
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 2: I I'll follow a tony methodology and uh and we'll

817
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: report back here next year. I don't know that's one

818
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: of my ideas, but I want to figure out a

819
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: way to do it responsibly. But I think, like I

820
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: think it's a it's an idea that I want to

821
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: get out there, which is the idea of giving back

822
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: to the landscape more right, getting out there doing this,

823
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: doing good things, and then it being a reminder like, hey,

824
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: you can also benefit from it, Like you can go

825
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: out there and you don't have to benefit from it,

826
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: do it just for the sake of doing it. But also, hey,

827
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: like it's pretty cool to get out here, and it's

828
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: super satisfying to enjoy the fruits of your labor. I

829
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: think anyone who owns private land knows that. Right, you

830
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: go out there, you do the work, planning your food

831
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: plots or improving timber or whatever, and then you get

832
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: to go out there and hunt and do your thing. Well,

833
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: that's possible to some degree on public land too, for folks,

834
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: for sure. I mean, even if it's just you going

835
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: out there SOLbo and picking up trash.

836
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, if anybody who's listening is down in Oklahoma

837
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 3: and they want to do that, I recommend it. I've

838
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: never been in a place that had more garbage in

839
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 3: the woods really, yeah, just weird. I mean some of it,

840
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: some of it was floodplain stuff, you know, but a

841
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: lot of it. I was just like, and maybe it's

842
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: just more part of it. Might be because then you

843
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: get into a drier climate, stuff sticks around longer a

844
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: lot of times, so maybe that was part of it.

845
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: But I was like, man, there's a lot of just

846
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 3: trash here we're hunting specifically, I hate that.

847
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: I got to the point though, with so we try to.

848
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: Like when we're out hiking around doing whatever, the kids

849
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: and stuff, we try to pick up things and you

850
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: know when you can clean up. And we were on

851
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: a hike over Christmas break and we passed like what

852
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: looked like dirty toilet paper and my three year old

853
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: like ran to pick it up, and no, no, no, don't

854
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: touch it. Don't touch it. We can't pick that up,

855
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: and he got so magic, No, we have to pick

856
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: up the trash. You say, we have to pick up

857
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: the trash, Like, no, that might be like something really gross.

858
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: Don't touch that.

859
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: Same rule as apply if you find like one glove

860
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: in the woods, just leave it.

861
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anything anything like that dangerous? Yeah, man? So

862
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: any other any other big plans thoughts? Uh for twenty

863
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: four other than the new state? The decoy in public land?

864
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna go back to your buddy's lease anymore? Or

865
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: you you done with that?

866
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: I'm not sure or not lease.

867
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: I guess he owns it right, well, but it's farm.

868
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not sure. So I didn't hunt it this year.

869
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm going a turkey hunt it. It's

870
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: it's always there. I don't know, it's just if I

871
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: go down there to southwestern Wisconsin, and I hunt that place.

872
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: It's awesome, but I just want to be in the

873
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: north woods. Man. I don't know how to describe it.

874
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: The you know, my odds are killing a one forty

875
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: on that southwestern place or like at least a decent

876
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: buck or so high compared to you know, northern Wisconsin.

877
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: But I just love the environment. Man. So I don't know,

878
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 3: I don't know I'm I'm looking at. I mean, you

879
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: know how this goes. This is a this is definitely

880
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: a dumb complaint. But when you do what we do,

881
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm always like, should I film in Minnesota or Wisconsin?

882
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: Which you know, Minnesota is my home state, but I

883
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: Wisconsin I just hunt a lot too, is right there

884
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: and whatever. And you know how it is when you're like,

885
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: you don't save something for yourself and it changes your

886
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: entire season. And so I'm like, I don't I don't

887
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm gonna do with Minnesota and Wisconsin this

888
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: season as far as filming. And it like you talking

889
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: about you know, a back like a backcountry hunt for

890
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: white tails or something. I've had this hunt in the

891
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: back of my mind. I've got this old town kayak.

892
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 3: It's a badass fish in kayak, but it'd be good

893
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: for getting into a hunting spot too. And I have

894
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: this chunk of public land in Minnesota that I think

895
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: I could go in and kill a pretty good one

896
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: on if I brought my buvy stuff and camped and

897
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: paddled in there and did that kind of adventure type hunt.

898
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm kind of like, should I do that

899
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: this year? You know? You know? The downside is like, Okay,

900
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna draw Iowa. Something else will come up

901
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: for work, and I'm like, I don't. I don't know

902
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: if I want to hang my hat on. But it's

903
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: just like one of those things that you think about

904
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: a lot where you're like, I really just should just

905
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: carve it out and say I'm just doing it, just

906
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: to do it, get it out of the way, because

907
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: you know how it is like some of this stuff

908
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: you start thinking about and you're like, I've been thinking

909
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: about doing this for ten years and haven't. It's like,

910
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 3: come on, man, just do it.

911
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you blink and it's like you're, however old,

912
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: and you've been saying you want to do it someday

913
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: forever and all of a sudden, You're like, what can

914
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: I do it anymore?

915
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well do you want to? And I mean that's

916
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: you know, something that I thought of when you were

917
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: talking about like just twenty four goals and just you know,

918
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: setting them, maybe the marathon goal, that kind of stuff.

919
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 3: I had a conversation with Eddie Claypool, you know, who's

920
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: a phenomenal hunter several years ago, and he told me,

921
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: you know, because he was one of those guys who

922
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: got after it so hard, like Western game, white tail,

923
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: you knit turkeys. I mean, I would have conversations with

924
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: Eddie Claypool and I'd be going to Nebraska to turkey,

925
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: and he'd like, oh, where are you going? And I'd

926
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 3: be you know, like we trust each other, we're friends.

927
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: So i'd be like, oh, I'm this WMA and and

928
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 3: he'd be like, yeah, just walk in here, and usually

929
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: the birds are back in this corner. And I'm like,

930
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: I could not bring up a place and he doesn't

931
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: live there, he lives in Oklahoma. But I could not

932
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: bring up a place where he wasn't like yeah I've

933
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: been in there, or I killed a deer here or whatever.

934
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: But he told me, and this was several years ago.

935
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: But he's like, believe me when I say this, you

936
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: will lose the drive eventually, Like figure out a way

937
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: to keep yourself motivated to get out there, to keep

938
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: doing it, because as you get older and you do

939
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: more stuff, and you know, family wears on you and

940
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: you get tired and you know, the usual stuff. He's like,

941
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 3: you don't think it'll happen, but it will. And I've

942
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: thought about that, you know, hundreds of times in my

943
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: life because there's a guy who was like, live in it,

944
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: and he's telling you, like he's in the future and

945
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: he's like, hey, trust me on this. You won't be

946
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: as motivated to do this when you get to my age.

947
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 3: And I just look at it and I go, how

948
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: can I stay Like, how can you like push that

949
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: away or keep that at bay for a while.

950
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know the answer to that, other than

951
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 2: continuing to walk that careful line between chasing it now

952
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: but also not doing the opposite of that, which is

953
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 2: the ten years from now or fifteen years from now

954
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: we say, oh man, we did a lot of epic hunts,

955
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 2: but I missed my kids this thing, and I missed

956
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: my kids that thing, and I didn't get to do

957
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: this stuff with my son or my daughter's or whatever.

958
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: It's like, how do you balance that drive to do

959
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: it all with knowing that we don't get our kids

960
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: childhoods back either, or our marriage back or whatever. Like

961
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: that's the constant balance, right.

962
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: Well, and you don't get your own time back either,

963
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 3: you know, like you don't get your old health back.

964
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 3: Like I really think that this is going to sound stupid,

965
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 3: but I just as I get older, and my patience

966
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: and discipline sure seemed to serve me well for a

967
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: lot of stuff. And so I I look at that

968
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 3: and I go, you don't have to lose your family

969
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 3: over a deer, you know, Like, but you also don't

970
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 3: have to try to get into a situation where it's

971
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: so easy that the challenge is gone and you don't

972
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: appreciate it anymore. Because when you see that, and I

973
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: know people don't believe it, but when you see that,

974
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: it's it's like a tangible thing that happens to people

975
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: when they get a really, really good spot. It's very

976
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: easy to just go, well, I don't have to work extra?

977
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 3: Why would I? But that when you put yourself in

978
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: a position to be challenged and work extra it's It

979
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: usually makes you feel pretty good and it keeps you

980
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: kind of going. Man, it didn't happen this year, but

981
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: next year, I'm going back to do that trip again.

982
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: Or keep buying those over the counter elk takes till

983
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: they're gone, you know, like because they're going to be gone.

984
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a buddy who I think he'd be

985
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: okay with me saying this. A couple of friends that

986
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: now have a situation kind of like that, and they

987
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: now call themselves box blind bastards.

988
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: Are these here the Iowa Buddies?

989
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, you get a sweet spot and

990
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: it gets comfortable and there's nothing wrong with that, Like

991
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: that's all some people want, which is great. Like if

992
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: you were happy with that, heck, yeah you got a mate.

993
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: But you know that might not be what.

994
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: Dude, you got to be real honest with yourself, I mean,

995
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: because because right it could be your thing, and that

996
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: could be exactly what you want out of your hunting,

997
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: and that would be a perfect scenario. But you have

998
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: to be really honest about it, like are you enjoying it? Like,

999
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 3: are you enjoying going to the same view and opening

1000
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: the same window when you want to shoot a deer

1001
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: every time, or do you need something else? Like it's

1002
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 3: so personal.

1003
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean that's one of the great things

1004
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: about what we do, right, It's like, this can be

1005
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: whatever it is you want to be. You know, it's

1006
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: it's and I suppose that's the case with a lot

1007
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: of different activities. I guess if you want to be

1008
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: a climber, a runner or whatever, you can make your

1009
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: own goals and your own experience. But that is particularly

1010
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: true with hunting, as long as you don't fall prey

1011
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 2: to the pressures of like what everybody else thinks, right

1012
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: and so and so I guess to that point, like, man,

1013
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: if you want to be a box blind guy or girl, man,

1014
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: more power to you. That's awesome if that's the thing

1015
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: that gets you stoked and you are excited to go

1016
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 2: do do it, and you should not be at all

1017
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: worried about what Tony or I think. But on the

1018
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: flip side, you know the same at the same time,

1019
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: like if that's not going to do it for you,

1020
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: but you're falling into the trap of like, oh man,

1021
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: this feels easy, and then you just keep doing it

1022
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 2: because it's the easy thing. Well, then maybe you want

1023
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: to reconsider it too. So it comes down to like

1024
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: knowing yourself, knowing what's going to keep you energized and

1025
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: excited about this, and then chasing that well.

1026
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: And I think one of the things that we see

1027
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: with hunters a lot, you know, like the general hunting

1028
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: population is terrified a change. Like you see this if

1029
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: there's a proposal to move a gun season or a

1030
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 3: bo season or something for some reason. I mean, you

1031
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: name it, We've seen it a million times. But you

1032
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 3: also have to recognize that you're going to change over

1033
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: the next two years and five years and ten years.

1034
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: And so that goal of having that thing, you know,

1035
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: maybe when you have kids and having you know, buying

1036
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: that forty acres and putting those box lines up and

1037
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: giving them that experience is like, you know, closest thing

1038
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: to dying and going to heaven. But you know, when

1039
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: those kids hit teenage years and maybe they're not hunting

1040
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: with you or something like, you might be in a

1041
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: totally different place, you know, or you might do it.

1042
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: You know, you might do the public land thing and

1043
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 3: be like, that's that's only my thing and burn yourself

1044
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 3: right to the ground for five seasons or ten seasons

1045
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 3: in a row and go. Man, I'm not I'm not

1046
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: looking forward to it anymore. I'm not scouting the way

1047
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: I want to. And like, if you're honest about that,

1048
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: maybe you're going the other way, you know, and and

1049
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 3: who knows where you'll end up. But if you're open

1050
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 3: to that stuff, it's it's important to just be honest

1051
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah.

1052
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to that

1053
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: and sampling and testing and seeing where you where that

1054
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: right places for you. So hard pivot here before we

1055
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: wrap up, There's one thing I wanted to ask you

1056
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: about about last year and something I thought it'd be

1057
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: kind of fun to talk about here for a few minutes,

1058
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: which is one of our guilty pleasures Tony, which is reading.

1059
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: We both do a lot of reading, and I never

1060
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: get to do podcasts where I get to talk about books,

1061
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: and you're the only person I could talk about books with.

1062
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: So do you have a favorite book or two or

1063
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: recommended book or two, or something that stands out? It

1064
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be a book. It could also be

1065
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: like a film, a documentary, a podcast series or anything

1066
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: like that. But I've got books. Do you have any recommendations? Coming?

1067
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 2: On twenty three?

1068
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 3: I do so, even just what we talked about about changing.

1069
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: And you know, I spent a lot of my life

1070
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: reading a lot of fiction and writing that way. And

1071
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: then you know, probably the last five or seven years,

1072
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: I've mostly been reading nonfiction stuff mostly Like I just

1073
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't drawn to just made up stories anymore, but

1074
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: ID up reading. And I think you've read some of

1075
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: his stuff, Andy Weiers books. You know, he wrote The Martian,

1076
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: Artemis Hail Mary. Have you read those?

1077
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: I've no, I've I've I've read part of The Martian,

1078
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: so I haven't finished Martian, and I own Project Hail Mary,

1079
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: and it's like on my to read list this year,

1080
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: but I haven't got to it yet. But I've read

1081
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: like the first chapter and like, I got to read this,

1082
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: so I was intrigued when he brought that up.

1083
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 3: That was probably one of my favorite books the last year.

1084
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what if I if I read

1085
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: the synopsis of it, I probably wouldn't have read it.

1086
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: Like I kept I kept getting into it. He has

1087
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: like a very he's a weird style because it's very

1088
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: almost informal writing, Like there's a lot of like this

1089
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: is going to make me sound like a prick. But

1090
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 3: if if I see something and it has a lot

1091
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: of exclamation points, I'm like, uh, I don't want to

1092
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: read this, probably just yeah whatever. But that book, I

1093
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: kept reading it and getting into it, and I'm like,

1094
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 3: I was just like so surprise at how much I

1095
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: just enjoyed, you know, being entertained by it, and it

1096
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 3: gets you to think about a lot of stuff because

1097
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 3: he's real science based. But it was like a it

1098
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: was a good lesson for me because I was kind

1099
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: of like, I'm not you know, Cormack McCarthy died, I'm

1100
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 3: kind of done reading fiction right for the most part.

1101
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: And then I read that and I was like, I

1102
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 3: just enjoyed it so much. And I liked all of

1103
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 3: his books. I read them all last year, but that one,

1104
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 3: I was like that one actually kind of just like

1105
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: partially because I was like, there's no way this is

1106
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 3: going to do it for me, so that one and

1107
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: I ended up going through I'm reading a lot of

1108
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: space books, which would not surprise you, and I've been

1109
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: reading a lot of Carl Sagan stuff and man Cosmos.

1110
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 3: It was just I don't know, I didn't read it

1111
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, and then I read it last year,

1112
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 3: and I was like, it's just so interesting, Like anybody

1113
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 3: who can take the concepts of astrophysics and all of

1114
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: the math involved in all of the ways in which

1115
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: we know what's happening and explain it to somebody like me,

1116
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 3: Like you heard me try to do math when you

1117
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: were asking me about how many miles I run at

1118
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: the beginning of the episode, I was off by like

1119
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: twelve hundred miles. I anybody who can take those concepts

1120
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: because all of that stuff is math and and just

1121
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: make it so digestible and interesting.

1122
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: He's he was, and he wrote that back in like

1123
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: the eighties or nineties, right, yes, and so like this

1124
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 2: this holds up still, it's.

1125
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 3: In fact later it's probably it does. It's wild to

1126
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: hear some of his predictions and know what we've kind

1127
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: of proven to be true since then. But also he

1128
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: wasn't just like obsessed with space, right, Like it was

1129
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 3: all about like our place in the universe and how

1130
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: we treat each other. And it was his way of

1131
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 3: looking at things was so fascinating as far as like

1132
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: what what does society need? Like where are we going?

1133
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 3: But what do we actually need? And that I think

1134
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 3: that was why he was so popular, you know, and

1135
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: I think that's why it holds true to this day.

1136
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: See, I've got a similar fascination with those kinds of questions,

1137
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: but not with space. I'm interested in right now just

1138
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: like the impacts of AI and where that's going right now.

1139
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: That seems like we are on the precipice of this

1140
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: massive shift in so many different things. So that's been

1141
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: an area of like curiosity for me this year. I've

1142
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: read a bunch. I've got a book on that called

1143
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: The Coming Wave that I can't recommend yet because I'm

1144
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: just working through it still, but very interesting to this point.

1145
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 2: It's written by one of the founders of DeepMind, which

1146
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: is one of the AI companies at Google bought you know,

1147
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: seven eight years ago or whatever, so they're the ones

1148
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: behind Google's big AI push. So interesting, interesting stuff.

1149
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 3: Have you had a chance to talk to Steve Ranella

1150
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: about AI yet?

1151
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: I have not. You guys get into that.

1152
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 3: In Oklahoma, we had an interest conversation about it. In

1153
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: typical Ranella fashion. He's like, Ah, it's not gonna be

1154
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: anything kind of thing. Yeah, it's not gonna not gonna

1155
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: ruin society. It's not gonna enslave humans. It's just this

1156
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: total dismissive.

1157
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: Uh well, I'll be sure to bring it up. What

1158
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: I see him next and see, uh see where his

1159
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: head's at on that one.

1160
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: So what was what was your favorite then? Because you

1161
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: just started that one? So books, Yeah, if you looked

1162
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: at last year, what was the one where you were like,

1163
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: oh my god, I can't recommend this enough.

1164
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: Probably it would be two books, the two books that

1165
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: I and the Trick is like one of them I

1166
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: think could be for anyone who listens to this podcast.

1167
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: One of them. You'd have to be like, very committed

1168
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: to learning about this kind of stuff. So the easy

1169
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: recommendation and and folks in our world have seen this

1170
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: recommended a bunch but wild New World by Dan f

1171
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 2: Have you read that one.

1172
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: I haven't read that one, but I've read his other books.

1173
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so you know he's great. He's one of

1174
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: Steve's longtime friends. He's been on Steve's podcast. So his

1175
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: latest book takes a look at the history of wildlife

1176
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: and people in North America since people came to North America.

1177
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: So it basically starts like Pleistocene type animals, everything that

1178
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: happened there the near I think it's fair to say

1179
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: a catasgraphic extinction event that occurred in North America relatively

1180
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: soon after folks showed up here. And then it follows

1181
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: from that all the way through you know, Europeans showing

1182
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 2: up and everything that happened there, and then kind of

1183
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 2: wraps up almost to where we are now, just kind

1184
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: of following that constant push and pull and tension and

1185
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: dependency but also destructive relationship we have with wildlife here.

1186
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: So really interesting and I think super relevant to anyone

1187
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: who hunts or fishes, you know, kind of coming to

1188
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: terms of that. It's sometimes very ugly history, but it's

1189
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: other times inspiring history. So that's great book. I can't

1190
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: recommend that one enough.

1191
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's pretty good, Yeah.

1192
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: Very good. Second recommendation is one that I pushed on

1193
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: you years ago. We've talked about it since and then

1194
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: I pushed it on you, and I had actually not

1195
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: finished it when I had pushed on you, and then

1196
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: I finally finished it this year, which is the Song

1197
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: of the Dodo by David Klemen. And so you know,

1198
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: as you know since you read it, but I'll mention

1199
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: I think I even talked about this once earlier, back

1200
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: in twenty three, I brought it up, but I'm going

1201
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: to talk about it again because I just thought it

1202
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: was such a profoundly interesting book and well written book.

1203
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: You know, it basically looks at kind of how species,

1204
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: like it examines evolution and extinction. If I had to

1205
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: simplify it, it really dives into how species evolve and how

1206
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 2: species go extinct. And it uses the example of islands,

1207
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: and the study of islands, called island biogeography is basically

1208
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: this this field of study. And what's interesting about this

1209
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 2: is that you can see evolution and extinction happen much

1210
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: more quickly and much more clearly on islands because of

1211
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: the fact that these are isolated populations. And so it

1212
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: uses all these different examples, and David travels around the

1213
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: world exploring these kinds of things, meeting with people learning

1214
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: about this kind of stuff, and he goes all the

1215
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: way back into the history of like how we kind

1216
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: of figure this out in the first place, So it

1217
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: talks about Darwin and Wallace and the people who kind

1218
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: of figured out the theory of evolution, and then goes

1219
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: all the way through relatively currently, how we've also been

1220
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 2: trying to figure like why are species going extinct? And

1221
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: how is this happening? And what are the different forces

1222
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: that you know, not not like the high level forces

1223
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 2: like not habitat destruction, but like what happens to the

1224
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: genetics of a population or what happens when you isolate

1225
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: a population. I don't know, nerdy geeky in the in

1226
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: the weeds kind of stuff, but he does it in

1227
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: a way that's that's pretty darn compelling. And what's what's

1228
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: really I think what makes us particularly relevant is right

1229
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 2: this whole idea of like studying extinctions on islands. It

1230
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: does not just apply to like physical islands like Maui

1231
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: or something. We are also creating islands all over the

1232
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: world on the mainland because we are continuing to create

1233
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: these isolated pockets of wildlife habitat surrounded by people in development.

1234
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: So like Central Park is an island, Yellowstone is an island.

1235
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: The piece of woods behind my house is to a

1236
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: degree an island surrounded by agriculture all around it. So

1237
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: we're creating all these pseudo islands and now those island

1238
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: effects that have real ramifications on wildlife populations. We're creating

1239
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: those kinds of things all over the world, and species

1240
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: are disappearing because of it. So if you care at

1241
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: all about wildlife and having critters around and understanding why

1242
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: we have fewer critters on average seventy percent fewer animals

1243
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: on average, species across the country have gone down seventy percent,

1244
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: not the country, world since nineteen seventy. So, like, there's

1245
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: this biodiversity crisis, and this is something I'm spend a

1246
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 2: lot of time diving deep into. This is one of

1247
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: the best books on it and can't recommend it enough.

1248
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: But it is big and it requires a commitment to

1249
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: like dive into it, but I think it's worth the time.

1250
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that book, That book is really good. It's just

1251
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: a real heavy lift.

1252
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's there's a lot to unpack. I did

1253
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: this thing where I don't know if you've ever done this,

1254
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: but I have got the physical book and the audio

1255
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: book and I bounce back and forth between the two.

1256
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: You've ever done that. Yeah, it's been, like I don't know,

1257
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: for like books that take a while to get through,

1258
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: it's been a good way to like make time with them,

1259
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: go for long drive, cover a bunch of ground with it,

1260
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: and then like you're you're deep into it because you

1261
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: listen to it, but it's easier to listen and then

1262
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: you can, you know, pick it up here and there nights,

1263
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: you know, in the week, and then jump in, do

1264
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: a long drive over the weekend or something cover some ground.

1265
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's been something I've started to

1266
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: do more often. It seems a little silly to pay

1267
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: extra money for a second copy of the same book,

1268
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: but I'm a fan of books, so I guess I

1269
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 2: feel like it's a donation that I'm okay making to

1270
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: the author's fine. Yeah, But but with that said, we've

1271
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: got to wrap this one up because I've got to

1272
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: run off through a snowstore and pick up my son

1273
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: and can't be late for that. So thanks man for

1274
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: talking books with me. We're talking goals. You know, it's

1275
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: gonna be a good year. I'm excited about it.

1276
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 3: Me too, buddy, me too.

1277
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: All right. Well, appreciate everyone tuning in for a bit

1278
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: of a random show here today. But as we start

1279
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: these every new year, I kind of feel like it's

1280
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: nice to just kind of ease into the year, have

1281
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: some fun talk about what we're thinking about and where

1282
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: things are headed, and kind of get ourselves rejuvenated for

1283
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: this next push. So that said, appreciate you being here,

1284
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: and until next time, stay wired to hun