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Speaker 1: In this episode of Newts World, My guest today is

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Speaker 1: Steve Israel. He served as Congressman for New York's second

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Speaker 1: District from two thousand and one to twenty thirteen in

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Speaker 1: New York's third District from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: When I retired from the house, he opened an independent bookstore,

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Speaker 1: Theodore's Books, in Oyster Bay, New York. He's written two

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Speaker 1: critically acclaimed political satires, The Global War on Morris and

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Speaker 1: Big Guns, and he's joining me today to discuss his

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Speaker 1: new novel, which I have to say I found fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Steve is a brilliant guy and remarkably versatile, so I'm

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Speaker 1: really pleased to welcome the author of The Einstein Conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: my guest and good friend, Steve Israel. Steve, welcome, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me in this.

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Speaker 2: World, mister speaker. What an honor it is for me

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Speaker 2: to be on. And had somebody told me when I

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Speaker 2: entered Congress as a Democrat in two thousand that one

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Speaker 2: day I'd be conversing with you about books, I would

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Speaker 2: have told them that they were out of their minds.

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Speaker 2: This is really special.

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Speaker 1: Thank you well, it's great, and I think you and

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Speaker 1: are the other one time at a National Book Day

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Speaker 1: event put on in Washington and celebrating various books. But

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you. You are the only member

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Speaker 1: of Congress to retire and open an independent bookstore, Theodore's

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Speaker 1: Books in Oyster Bay, New York. Was that part of

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Speaker 1: your plan when you left the Congress?

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Speaker 2: It was actually and I know you yourself and acclaimed

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Speaker 2: author and voracious reader, I'm sure bookstores had a special

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Speaker 2: place for you. They sure did for me. When I

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Speaker 2: would travel anywhere in the US or on Congressional delegations abroad,

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Speaker 2: my scheduler would always put on my schedule the name

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Speaker 2: and address of the closest bookstore. Those were my retreats,

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Speaker 2: my refuges. That's where I would go to let my

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Speaker 2: blood pressure drop a little bit from the demands of Congress.

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Speaker 2: And when I left Congress in two thousand and seventeen,

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Speaker 2: and I decided that I would devote the next chapter

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Speaker 1: Which is a pretty courageous decision given the complexity of

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Speaker 1: the modern book market and the rise of systems like Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Was it as big a challenge as you thought it might?

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Speaker 2: Be in many respects. Yes, I'm a Democrat, and now

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Speaker 2: suddenly I'm obsessed with less regulation and lower taxes.

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Speaker 1: Now a book like George McGovern after he had retired

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Speaker 1: realized how many rules there were.

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Speaker 2: Lots of rules. I mean, it's a very difficult competitive

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Speaker 2: environment competing against Amazon or some of the big box bookstores,

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Speaker 2: who can literally sell their books online at a loss

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Speaker 2: because the only cost that they're factoring into the book

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Speaker 2: is the cost of an algorithm. Really, I've got to

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Speaker 2: hire booksellers. I've got to hire people who know what

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Speaker 2: they're talking about. I've got to pay them a decent wage.

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Speaker 2: I've got to pay rent. The margins on books is very,

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Speaker 2: very narrow. We really don't make much on books. We've

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Speaker 2: had to adapt. We do very well with author events.

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Speaker 2: We have acclaimed historians come and Ron chernow and Eric Larson,

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Speaker 2: They've come to our events. So when we bring authors in.

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Speaker 3: We do well. But it is a struggle.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, I'm having more fun now, mister Speaker,

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Speaker 2: than I ever had in sixteen years in Congress.

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Speaker 1: Oyster Bay, of course, was Theodore Roosevelt's home and it's

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Speaker 1: Theodore's books, which I presume was a tribute to the

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. His home, Sagamore Hill, is less than

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Speaker 2: and I invite you to come when you have an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Everything about Oyster Bay is Theodore Roosevelt because that's where

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Speaker 2: His Masonic lodge was there, It's where he ate. And

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Speaker 2: what better name for a bookstore in Theodore's hometown than

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Speaker 2: Theodore Roosevelt. By the way, when he died at Sagamore Hill,

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Speaker 2: he left seven thousand books on his shelves and they're

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you, though, if you get out

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Speaker 1: Global War and Morris and Big Guns. That sort of

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Speaker 1: Einstein Conspiracy. I want to start right off and just

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Speaker 1: say to all of our listeners, the Einstein Conspiracy is

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Speaker 1: a terrific book, and anybody who has any interest in

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Speaker 1: draws you in. It's remarkable what led you from political

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have something in common, and that is I

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Speaker 2: think we're both fascinated with these little hinges of history,

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Speaker 2: I have in my collection Gettysburg and your trilogy on

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Speaker 2: simple alteration of fact, and that is that Lee wins Gettysburg,

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Speaker 2: and that takes the country on a completely new course.

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Speaker 2: So I've also been fascinated by that. And I live

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Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty nine. And it was in that cottage

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Speaker 2: We at the time had no Adam Baum research program,

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Speaker 2: into one historic thriller called the Einstein Conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: I'm may of viewing you from Bern, Switzerland, which is

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Speaker 1: less than a while from where I'm sitting. Einstein lived

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Speaker 1: for years working as a patent clerk for the Swiss

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Speaker 1: government because the universities wouldn't hire him because he was

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Speaker 1: too bold in his ideas. And then I run across

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Speaker 1: involving the FBI and a whole Nazia, forte Quill, Einstein,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine anybody reading this and not walking away

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Speaker 1: In your case, once you had seen the cottage, how

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Speaker 1: did you go about researching this? Because it's a very

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Speaker 2: Book, thank you, And that's, as you know, very difficult.

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Speaker 2: You know, the tension between the research and a propulsive

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Speaker 2: authors make with the readers. They're going out be on

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Speaker 2: And so I had to really kind of temper my research.

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Speaker 2: exactly what it would have taken for Albert Einstein to

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Speaker 2: sail about twenty miles in the Peconic Bay. I talked

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Speaker 2: don't know whether you ever went through this, but my

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Speaker 2: but it's not. You need to cut it to three paragraphs.

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Speaker 1: You're a much better team player than I am. I

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Speaker 1: hate being edited when I write it. I don't want

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Speaker 1: the only problem is that entire paragraph is not understandable

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Speaker 1: but you actually, in my mind, have three different kinds

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Speaker 1: you do a terrific job. And I'm curious how much

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for saying that. For me, that was

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Speaker 2: all based on actual events. It's called Yapank's Exit sixty

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Speaker 2: They had these massive Swastika banners flying from the community

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Speaker 2: This place existed, and it was a haven for pro

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Speaker 2: James Amos was an FBI agent. The two of them

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Speaker 2: to harm Albert Einstein, and you would think it couldn't

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Speaker 1: I'm known for a long time about the German saboteur's

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Speaker 2: They were penetrating our defense plants. You know Long Island

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Speaker 2: We were the backbone of the defense industry during World

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Speaker 2: It was a very sophisticated operation, so much so that

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Speaker 2: Jadgar Hoover met secretly with FDR. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest, Steve Israel. NEWTS World is

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