Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey o Day Covering the Diddy Trial.
Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to the Amy Roebuck and TJ.
Speaker 3: Holmes Present Aubrey O'Day Covering the Diddy Trial podcast.
Speaker 4: And we are now in the first or the full
Speaker 4: fourth week of this trial, and every day it's something horrific, horrific,
Speaker 4: jaw dropping, combetive.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Aurey, Why is horrific your word? After the
Speaker 1: last day and a half, I guess we've seen of
Speaker 1: testimony why horrific?
Speaker 5: So I just think Mia was such a game changer
Speaker 5: because she established a pattern of sexual abuse that wasn't
Speaker 5: the way in which it's been spoken about pretty consistently
Speaker 5: so far, which are these freak offs. There were just
Speaker 5: alleged rapes occurring while she was packing a bag, when she.
Speaker 6: Was asked, not asked, basically.
Speaker 5: Forced for her job's sake, to live in his home
Speaker 5: and not have locks on her doors, etc. There was
Speaker 5: just all of this established behavior that is a bit
Speaker 5: new for us to hear. So we're learning now a
Speaker 5: broader scheme. We're also seeing somebody that was just an employee.
Speaker 5: She didn't want to be his girlfriend, she didn't want
Speaker 5: to be in lovers with him, and now you're starting
Speaker 5: to get to hear from more of the enterprise.
Speaker 3: Basically, that's right and right now as we're recording this,
Speaker 3: on the stand is Derek Ferguson, who had a lot
Speaker 3: of different titles throughout Diddy's enterprise, but executive titles including
Speaker 3: chief financial Officer. And you worked adjacent to him, around him,
Speaker 3: You saw him around the building or at least around
Speaker 3: the areas where you guys worked.
Speaker 5: Let me be clear, Amy, if he was in charge
Speaker 5: of finance, which we know he was, I would likely
Speaker 5: not know him because I didn't see a dollar.
Speaker 2: I say, you right up for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah I know, but I'm bomb. You did it, you
Speaker 6: killed it.
Speaker 5: Listen hear he was also leading up all of the
Speaker 5: fashion brands, He did the film stuff. He was overseeing
Speaker 5: his portfolio basically so doing the day to day operations.
Speaker 5: But yeah, on the money side, none of the artists
Speaker 5: probably would ever know him. He might be the least
Speaker 5: known person to any of us over at Bad Boy
Speaker 5: because the money was never coming to us, the artists.
Speaker 1: But what are we talking about, potentially, how damaging could
Speaker 1: it be? This is a guy who knows about all
Speaker 1: the money all.
Speaker 6: The money and where the payments were going.
Speaker 5: You know, like Cassie established in the beginning, she was
Speaker 5: an artist that was signed to release ten albums. There
Speaker 5: is a paycheck that goes alongside that, and they recoup
Speaker 5: things obviously, but you get consistent paychecks.
Speaker 6: She made it very.
Speaker 5: Clear early on her full time job became doing these
Speaker 5: sex parties, in these freak offs and recovering, so she
Speaker 5: was still getting paid as a bad Boy employee. Though
Speaker 5: as we saw these things going on while Dannity Kane
Speaker 5: was still there, I remember there were a lot of
Speaker 5: feelings of why do we have a platinum album? At
Speaker 5: this point we had one, this was before our second one,
Speaker 5: and we would sit there and kind of see a
Speaker 5: lot of very luxurious things happening and wondering, why are
Speaker 5: we the ones that have the platinum albums and we're
Speaker 5: still sitting on the floor wearing Forever twenty one, writing
Speaker 5: songs like mad Women, and weren't carrying the bags that
Speaker 5: Cassie had or arriving in the cars that Cassie was in.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was like almost this unfair feeling, but
Speaker 5: she was so sweet to us. It wasn't necessarily toward
Speaker 5: her but there was always questions of like, it was
Speaker 5: very it was always we were always very curious as
Speaker 5: to where the money is going and where we're seeing
Speaker 5: it going versus who's actually earning it and keeping the
Speaker 5: whole place afloat. But also in regards to Derek, he
Speaker 5: will probably get into the whole financial structure. I'm sure
Speaker 5: he was paid allegedly many people off. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of DNA's going on. I'm sorry, there's a lot of NDAs. Go,
Speaker 5: haven't had my coffee yet, guys.
Speaker 1: No, you were right about the DNA.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of DNA.
Speaker 3: There's about left behind in hotel rooms and blood and
Speaker 3: urine and yeah.
Speaker 2: It's all over.
Speaker 6: It's all over.
Speaker 5: You get that one light and turn off to go
Speaker 5: to the dark Lord Jesus. But no, there's there's a
Speaker 5: lot of NDA talk going on on the stand and
Speaker 5: in general. I was even given an NDA when I left,
Speaker 5: and it said certain things that I could never do
Speaker 5: if I wanted to be let out of my contract.
Speaker 5: I think he's going to be able to understand a
Speaker 5: lot of the contracts.
Speaker 6: The money, the movement.
Speaker 5: And then also he was given a lead position over
Speaker 5: at Revolts, so He also is likely going to be
Speaker 5: able to talk about Mia and what he experienced working
Speaker 5: with her and what he potentially heard, saw, or knows
Speaker 5: to be true in regards to any of her testimony.
Speaker 5: Brian's last cross, he started off his cross with me.
Speaker 5: I thought, he you know, we're really talking one of
Speaker 5: the best defense criminal lawyers. You could probably have, definitely
Speaker 5: incredible on cross. His cross was like one of the
Speaker 5: worst crosses I've seen in this test and this trial
Speaker 5: so far, and this one this morning was a bit better. However,
Speaker 5: if you don't have anything to go on, you don't
Speaker 5: have any other choice than to victim shame.
Speaker 6: Basically, you have one direction.
Speaker 5: If you had any real material to discredit her, they
Speaker 5: would have used it. She was a strong witness, She
Speaker 5: was credible, and she was consistent, and so he had
Speaker 5: to be strong with her. Unfortunately, I mean the strong
Speaker 5: was strong. He asked her direct questions. The questions I
Speaker 5: took note of them because they were like so so strong.
Speaker 3: Well, the prosecution went as far as to say that
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 2: Were harassing.
Speaker 5: He said, are you making it all up to me?
Speaker 5: That's going way too far. That means you don't have
Speaker 5: much for this girl.
Speaker 6: You have.
Speaker 5: Your smoke is very little because are you making it
Speaker 5: all up?
Speaker 6: Is he? It's noise.
Speaker 5: It's noise for the jury to get lost in. He
Speaker 5: also straight up asked her numerous times if she was
Speaker 5: on the me too money train, a bit tone deaf.
Speaker 5: I hope that he just carries that type of ideology
Speaker 5: and language in the courtroom and doesn't take it home
Speaker 5: to his family because that's a bit much.
Speaker 6: But basically just a lot of noise.
Speaker 5: And at the at the redirect, they were clear, are
Speaker 5: you making any money? Are you going after him with
Speaker 5: the lawsuit? Are you trying to get money from this man?
Speaker 5: The answer was no. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: I think they kept her on the stand too long,
Speaker 5: and I think that the defense should have wanted her
Speaker 5: to get off immediately.
Speaker 1: To that point, Yeah, they said they ran over with
Speaker 1: this witness, so where they had to change the order
Speaker 1: of upcoming witnesses because they went over on this one.
Speaker 1: I want to go back. We're going to to the
Speaker 1: one who testified after Mia. So I'm getting everybody caught
Speaker 1: up to most current times. So we're sitting there on
Speaker 1: Tuesday as we record this, and the first witness up
Speaker 1: today before the first witness even got up. This morning,
Speaker 1: we had a disturbance. You read about this more than
Speaker 1: I did, but somebody had to be taken out of court.
Speaker 2: Whoever that was.
Speaker 3: They just said a man who used it on his
Speaker 3: YouTube channel has been banned from the courtroom. So that happened,
Speaker 3: and then there was an outburst in court. A woman
Speaker 3: jumping up in supportive Diddy started shouting, you know what,
Speaker 3: they're lying about you, They're saying things about you.
Speaker 2: She said she wanted him to hear that.
Speaker 3: There were supporters in the room who were behind him
Speaker 3: and frustrated at what they were hearing in the courtroom.
Speaker 2: But she was move from court and taken out until
Speaker 2: she could not return as well.
Speaker 3: So two big moments even before the jury was seated
Speaker 3: this morning.
Speaker 1: So God, the only thing I compared to is the
Speaker 1: amber heard and to where everybody publicly was kind of
Speaker 1: taking size and its got really intense on social media
Speaker 1: to hear about this outburst in court. What are you noticing?
Speaker 1: I know you keep your your finger kind of on
Speaker 1: the heartbeat of what's going on online, but what what
Speaker 1: are you seeing in terms of that? Does that type
Speaker 1: of outburst surprise you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: I mean outside the core room, it's a shit show.
Speaker 5: I mean there's literally people out there wearing bras saying
Speaker 5: I want to be in a free cough Like it's
Speaker 5: getting really hectic outside. That is going to show, you
Speaker 5: know what we've been discussing this entire time, this like
Speaker 5: iconic status, this mass appeal, and then there really is
Speaker 5: this strong understanding in our society that if a woman
Speaker 5: at all, ever, like in the case of Mia, if
Speaker 5: they ever just said I love you or happy birthday,
Speaker 5: or observed them in any type of positive way, even
Speaker 5: after their abuse, that they're just liars and everybody's going
Speaker 5: for a me too money grab. And it's just not
Speaker 5: the way the psychology works. It's not the way coercion works,
Speaker 5: it's not the way influence and control work. It's just
Speaker 5: a very hard thing to get people to sit down
Speaker 5: and read psychology books. If we were doing that, I
Speaker 5: think we'd be in a much different place politically right now,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like it's easy to brainwash
Speaker 5: people into believing things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Aubrey, I'm We're curious what you the listener
Speaker 3: is thinking as you're hearing about what's going on in
Speaker 3: the court room because so many people do have strong opinions,
Speaker 3: whether you were believing these witnesses, if you're supporting Diddy,
Speaker 3: if you're wanting to see him go down. We actually
Speaker 3: created a hotline and so we want to let you
Speaker 3: all know now where you can call us. You can
Speaker 3: send us your comments, your questions, anything you'd like is
Speaker 3: to even discuss or talk about.
Speaker 2: All the tea.
Speaker 5: We want all the smoke, all the smoke and all
Speaker 5: the tea call in.
Speaker 2: So the numbers hopefully pretty easy. It's eight four to
Speaker 2: four four ask us Q. Right, that's cute.
Speaker 3: But here are the numbers eight four four four to
Speaker 3: seven five eight seven seven, And we'll do it again
Speaker 3: at the end of the podcast in case you didn't
Speaker 3: have time to write it down. But we would absolutely
Speaker 3: love to hear from you because you're seeing all of
Speaker 3: the interest in all of the vocalizations or presentations that
Speaker 3: are happening outside the court room and even inside the
Speaker 3: court room. So I'm sure so many of you also
Speaker 3: would like to weigh in as well.
Speaker 1: And we love to hear and Aubrey Eddie Garcia on
Speaker 1: the stand, the security guard from the hotel. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the five that Diddy brought in one hundred grand in
Speaker 1: a paper bag to give him and another security guard
Speaker 1: to be quiet and to give him that video of
Speaker 1: him beating Cassie. Is that in line? Did you ever
Speaker 1: see things like that? Or is that something or I
Speaker 1: guess just in line with what you knew about? Did
Speaker 1: he for a rhyme?
Speaker 5: It was always very common for people to come in
Speaker 5: and clean up after his messes.
Speaker 6: Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 5: What's interesting in that piece of testimony because we know
Speaker 5: about the video. We've watched it fifteen times. They slowed
Speaker 5: it down, rewind it, chopped and screwed and swerved it.
Speaker 6: We know what the video is.
Speaker 5: What's interesting in his testimony that stood out was we
Speaker 5: heard that KK name again. KK came and gave him
Speaker 5: a visit. KK told him, Hey, he was really out
Speaker 5: of it. He was like super drunk. I forgot exactly
Speaker 5: the words that she used. Intoxicated were the words that
Speaker 5: she used, and that he didn't recall it. But what
Speaker 5: I thought was interesting when he said that is hmm.
Speaker 5: When the video first came out, he said, my behavior
Speaker 5: was disgusting. I went back and watched it to see
Speaker 5: if there was any type of recalling in his little
Speaker 5: statement that he made, and then I started looking through
Speaker 5: the transcripts and realized they came forward in their answer
Speaker 5: to that video originally was Cassie stole his phone. It
Speaker 5: wasn't about a freak off. There was no sexual situation.
Speaker 5: He was pissed because she took off with his property.
Speaker 5: He shouldn't have behaved that way, but she stole something
Speaker 5: of his that was suggested and thrown out there as
Speaker 5: something that could maybe stick.
Speaker 6: Well, if you recall that she took your cell phone.
Speaker 5: Then certainly you have to be able to recall everything else.
Speaker 5: And so what KK then said to to what Eddie
Speaker 5: Garcia testified to would then be have been allegedly not true.
Speaker 5: And if he was intoxicated and didn't remember any of it,
Speaker 5: then I don't think KK would have been sent over
Speaker 5: to make sure that everything was handled with the video
Speaker 5: because he wouldn't have remembered it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and his name was saved in her phone as
Speaker 3: Eddie my angel, I believe, but I thought some of
Speaker 3: the details that Garcia testified to were so fascinating.
Speaker 5: Kyk's getting on this stand, y'all. I keep saying it.
Speaker 5: She abouts to come on this stand.
Speaker 3: Well and just so our listeners, No, KK is Christina
Speaker 3: Korum Asara Korum, how you pronounce your last name? And
Speaker 3: she was Ditty's chief of staff.
Speaker 5: She's known in the industry to be the person that
Speaker 5: you go to if you need to get to Ditty period.
Speaker 3: I thought, just in terms of what the case the
Speaker 3: state is trying to build against Diddy, Garcia said that
Speaker 3: he after like while they were working this out, while
Speaker 3: he was giving him this money, he had him text
Speaker 3: photos to Ditty of his driver's license as well as
Speaker 3: ideas for his boss and the other security officer who
Speaker 3: got paid, so that they all could be quote unquote
Speaker 3: on the same page, meaning I know who you are,
Speaker 3: I know where you live, and if any of your
Speaker 3: video gets out, I know where to come find you.
Speaker 5: And if you read a lot of the emotions that
Speaker 5: came in early on in this trial, there was much
Speaker 5: of that behavior. They were trying to get a lot
Speaker 5: of things taken out on the prosecution side because allegedly,
Speaker 5: in front of a lot of these freak offs, did
Speaker 5: he would make a statement, everyone here is happy to
Speaker 5: be willing to be here right. There were alleged comments
Speaker 5: being made that there were communications that were told to
Speaker 5: be sent to people after these events occurred, saying, had
Speaker 5: a great night, so glad we all did that consensually.
Speaker 6: There was a lot of cleanups.
Speaker 5: There was a lot of making sure everyone is on
Speaker 5: the same page, allegedly, and there are a lot of things.
Speaker 5: What I think is just insane is the man that
Speaker 5: I knew when I worked there was just so the
Speaker 5: behavior was so erratic. It was giving allegedly a bipolar
Speaker 5: type of feeling. It was bouncing around chaotics so much
Speaker 5: like one minute is somber, the next one is we're
Speaker 5: going to Bali.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It was just like every which way and for somebody
Speaker 5: that was moving that quickly, he sure did pay a
Speaker 5: lot of attention to make sure to have everyone else
Speaker 5: calling the escorts, choosing the escorts, showing him the photos,
Speaker 5: getting what he wanted, selecting but them calling, handing them
Speaker 5: the money, but them paying. Raving people say afterwards, I
Speaker 5: had a good time. That's all coercion, that's all forced,
Speaker 5: that is all somebody And so to me, what's super
Speaker 5: damning about all this that everyone's missing in all of
Speaker 5: the noise and distraction. He's been very aware, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: allegedly that this behavior is illegal, because he's been passing
Speaker 5: it off to other people to handle for a very
Speaker 5: long while. Now, you don't do that when you know
Speaker 5: what you're doing is legal. I don't question what I
Speaker 5: do when I do it if I've ever in my
Speaker 5: life sent anyone in to deal with it. On our end,
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't do things like criminally, but on
Speaker 5: our end, if you don't want a network to hate you,
Speaker 5: you'll have your manager or agent go and say what
Speaker 5: needs to be said, and you'll cuss in yelly, agent
Speaker 5: and manager like how dare they talk and treat me
Speaker 5: like this? You know? That's the type of thing, though,
Speaker 5: is we know not to go to the network and
Speaker 5: directly get at them because at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: that will directly affect our jobs.
Speaker 6: And our careers.
Speaker 5: So he just there was such an awareness for such
Speaker 5: a long period of time that he needed to hand
Speaker 5: over all.
Speaker 6: Of the burden to other people to clean up.
Speaker 1: Albert, who's his first call if he needs an n
Speaker 1: d A. It looks like almost they were ready on standby.
Speaker 5: They have different folders allegedly probably for the different types
Speaker 5: of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but for Diddy if he's in trouble, and he
Speaker 1: needs an NDA, right, Like, how what is that process?
Speaker 1: He emails this person and then a lawyer is involved.
Speaker 1: How would that possibly even work?
Speaker 5: I mean, in my setting, it was You're out and
Speaker 5: I'm in a three sixty situation, and I can do
Speaker 5: anything from television to movies, to writing a book, to
Speaker 5: an interview to anything. Three sixty means no, never work
Speaker 5: in the industry again. We own you Those deals is
Speaker 5: a whole nother podcast that needs to be discussed and
Speaker 5: dismantled industry wise. But the NDAs basically silence you, and
Speaker 5: there's a lot of money at the entail of them
Speaker 5: if you happen to slip up.
Speaker 6: I believe, allegedly that's why we.
Speaker 5: Didn't necessarily necessarily hear everything I was hoping Capricorn would say,
Speaker 5: because if you don't break it and there's a payment,
Speaker 5: you likely could still receive the payment if you don't
Speaker 5: break it. Now, obviously, on a federal stand you can
Speaker 5: break anything you want to break because there's no rules
Speaker 5: there and you can say whatever you need to say.
Speaker 5: But it could have been just smart maneuvering because she
Speaker 5: deserves it.
Speaker 6: She went through hell. I don't know, that's all.
Speaker 3: Alike lawyers at his beckon call that also could potentially
Speaker 3: be testifying here just who was made making these deals
Speaker 3: for him, because whoever was making these deals, obviously one
Speaker 3: could assume new about.
Speaker 6: Why it's a nasty job.
Speaker 5: I couldn't do it, and so it makes any question
Speaker 5: the integrity of somebody that could talk.
Speaker 3: A little bit about more about who we're going to
Speaker 3: see on this stand. And Derek obviously is on right
Speaker 3: now the CFO. And by the way, we should mention
Speaker 3: kind of to what you were saying he told the
Speaker 3: jury he's testifying under a subpoena. We know that Eddie
Speaker 3: Garcia was given immunity for him. So anyone who's testifying
Speaker 3: right now isn't there because they want to, and some
Speaker 3: of them concerned that if they didn't get that immunity,
Speaker 3: they'd be indemnifying themselves as well, or at least making
Speaker 3: themselves legally in jeopardy. So these are people who wouldn't
Speaker 3: have testified otherwise. Right.
Speaker 5: We have to remember that, like people can look at
Speaker 5: immunity and think, oh, they just wanted to get off
Speaker 5: and they had something on them. Those things are technically true,
Speaker 5: but also when you're asked King to establish something like RICO,
Speaker 5: an organization of people that are helping commit crimes for somebody.
Speaker 5: Everybody's committing crimes, and so somebody's got to be able
Speaker 5: to get some type of immunity in order to be
Speaker 5: able to end the enterprise from existing and continuing on
Speaker 5: doing what they're doing. So you are going to see
Speaker 5: people that have been a part of business practices that
Speaker 5: are you know, a criminal potentially, or that can provide
Speaker 5: some type of trail to basically just give info on
Speaker 5: the internal business practices as he witnessed them to be.
Speaker 5: He obviously is going to say something damning or he
Speaker 5: wouldn't have been on the prosecution's list.
Speaker 1: To wrap up here on Mia, who finished her cross
Speaker 1: examination yesterday, and again the defense went after her pretty tough,
Speaker 1: how effective, and again I know you have your opinions
Speaker 1: about how they did it, but they only need one
Speaker 1: person on that jury to go wait a second, So
Speaker 1: they really went after her credibility. And it's tough for
Speaker 1: us on the inside on the outside who've never gone
Speaker 1: through or had somebody go through being abused and what
Speaker 1: that does to you psychologically, But for a lot of
Speaker 1: folks to see that years after this rape and abuse happened.
Speaker 1: She's writing messages I love you so much, I'll always
Speaker 1: be here for you. I love you with all my heart.
Speaker 1: I'm here for you forever. All of those things do
Speaker 1: you think still was it effective? Even if it was
Speaker 1: a little icky how he went.
Speaker 5: After same thing we could say about Cassie. I mean,
Speaker 5: these are just the patterns of the people that he abused.
Speaker 5: And like I said the first day, you know, when
Speaker 5: I read them, I immediately was like I had like
Speaker 5: a visceral response. And then I thought to myself, I've
Speaker 5: told Diddy I loved him, and he was abusive toward me,
Speaker 5: and there were things that were going on that weren't okay.
Speaker 6: I don't know to what extent yet, but.
Speaker 5: I could see I have loved my abuser in life,
Speaker 5: even after they abused me. It's very possible. And also
Speaker 5: when you can go back to somebody who if you
Speaker 5: were in that abuse and it took you into a
Speaker 5: state of shock, sometimes being able to revisit it and
Speaker 5: in a way where everything is okay now can provide
Speaker 5: a bit of like comfort and it can bring back
Speaker 5: the normalcy that you felt with that person. I mean,
Speaker 5: not everybody is out here trying to get in everybody's
Speaker 5: pockets and manipulate and lie. If this were just isolated events,
Speaker 5: then maybe we'd have to dig into them further and
Speaker 5: really dissect someone's character with multiple people, you know, or
Speaker 5: a really great cross examination that does something else. But say,
Speaker 5: didn't you just want to rack out on me too?
Speaker 5: Aren't you just lying about everything? I mean, guys, do
Speaker 5: you have anything that you actually can say that's credible
Speaker 5: that's gonna make me think twice? These text messages are
Speaker 5: as the pattern of everybody Capricorn, Cassie, even the first
Speaker 5: guy that came forward and was saying, you know, I
Speaker 5: still write him Happy Birthday on his birthdays, but I
Speaker 5: had to quit because the beating was too crazy for
Speaker 5: me to observe. You still feel like how I can
Speaker 5: still feel sympathy for him and.
Speaker 6: God through this past two years.
Speaker 5: I've had days where I was like, this is so
Speaker 5: unfair to Ditty And I can't even believe I'm saying
Speaker 5: that now, especially after all the testimony.
Speaker 6: But I had days where I felt that.
Speaker 1: Wait still during the trial.
Speaker 5: You've had those days, not during the trial. I've been
Speaker 5: doing it for two years prior to this trial. In
Speaker 5: those times when I didn't see it all laid out
Speaker 5: like this, there were days where I was like, man,
Speaker 5: he's getting piled up on. And I feel some kind
Speaker 5: of way about a black man being piled up on
Speaker 5: in this society.
Speaker 6: I really do.
Speaker 5: And maybe it's because I was raised and very like
Speaker 5: pivotal years of my life in that environment with those guys,
Speaker 5: But there was a part of me that just felt like,
Speaker 5: this really needs to be fair, and it doesn't need
Speaker 5: to be about anything other than the criminal behavior and
Speaker 5: whether it's true or not and can be proven.
Speaker 3: Aubrey, I'm curious because obviously Mia now has wrapped up and.
Speaker 2: We saw and learned a lot.
Speaker 3: Another highly anticipated witness who is we believe will be
Speaker 3: taking the stand this week, maybe even as early as Wednesday,
Speaker 3: is another victim who are alleged victim of Ditty's who
Speaker 3: is going by the moniker Jane for Jane Doe, but
Speaker 3: you know who Jane is.
Speaker 5: Potentially, Basically, everything is just coroborate. Everything is showing force,
Speaker 5: everything is showing intimidation, everything is showing coercion, everything is
Speaker 5: reinforcing everything.
Speaker 6: Every single time.
Speaker 5: Someone gets up there, whether they were a male worker,
Speaker 5: a female worker and employee, a lover. It's all just
Speaker 5: going back to the same types of behavior.
Speaker 6: I mean, we're well.
Speaker 5: Past the threshold for all five charges period in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But you did say that.
Speaker 3: I know we talked about Mia, but you did work
Speaker 3: alongside the real Mia.
Speaker 5: Mia came in in a tiny bit of a crossover window,
Speaker 5: but she's been very present in the industry in multiple
Speaker 5: different positions, and so yes, there was crossover with Mia there.
Speaker 2: I'll ree.
Speaker 3: I'm curious because you described the testimony and I think
Speaker 3: most people would agree as horrific, and yet it's so
Speaker 3: interesting to hear you say before the trial you had
Speaker 3: periods of sympathy for him. You felt like maybe people
Speaker 3: were piling on or jumping onto the bandwagon. But now
Speaker 3: that you've heard some of this incredible testimony, are you
Speaker 3: even shocked? Even given what you We started out speaking
Speaker 3: to you, and you have had your experiences, you're doing
Speaker 3: your exploration and your investigation, but even someone who was
Speaker 3: around him for as much as you were and thought
Speaker 3: you knew the good and the bad and the ugly,
Speaker 3: what has been your level of shock at least, or
Speaker 3: what's been your reaction to what you're hearing versus what
Speaker 3: you thought you were going to hear.
Speaker 5: You No, I have the same type of feeling that
Speaker 5: everyone on the stand continues to say, which is there
Speaker 5: is this good side of him, There is a side that.
Speaker 6: You can love.
Speaker 5: That side is so palpable that people will still write
Speaker 5: him after their abuse with loving messages or thoughts or feelings.
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that everything that's going on isn't very criminal.
Speaker 5: It just means that this is very complex and layered,
Speaker 5: and to suggest that there is nothing good about this
Speaker 5: person is a very bold thing to suggest. And that's
Speaker 5: kind of what eighty civil suits were giving.
Speaker 6: On top, top on top on top.
Speaker 5: Of each other for years, a year and a half
Speaker 5: or so, and then you know, as it's starting to
Speaker 5: be put together, there are days that I drive home
Speaker 5: and call people that also were around during that time,
Speaker 5: not my band members, but people in the industry, and
Speaker 5: we just like sit in silence, pull up to wherever
Speaker 5: we're going, and say, who the fuck were we working for?
Speaker 6: Who is he? What were we in? How were we
Speaker 6: put with this person?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: Why how could this have gone so unchucke by so
Speaker 5: many very high level corporate people. They gave him branding
Speaker 5: deals and TV shows and platforms to take young impressionable
Speaker 5: artists and.
Speaker 6: Have them be exploited.
Speaker 5: In ways that are just so degrading and humiliating that.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just it's just being discussed in so many circles
Speaker 5: as just being so known to people. Should Knight has
Speaker 5: said it a few times. Everybody knew what puff was on.
Speaker 5: Everybody knew this was going on. Even I said, everyone
Speaker 5: knew there was behaviors, like everybody knew the sex parties.
Speaker 5: Everybody knows I know all kinds of little tea that
Speaker 5: I could drop it, legally, I wouldn't because it turns
Speaker 5: you into a gossip versus somebody that's reporting on actual
Speaker 5: events that are occurring to in this trial. And I'm
Speaker 5: not interested in being Wendy Williams, even though I do
Speaker 5: love her. But for me, I'm just trying. I was
Speaker 5: trying to find if there was a soul in there somewhere,
Speaker 5: if there's something redeemable, even if he serves all the
Speaker 5: time that he should, because I believe that they've hit
Speaker 5: the threshold on all five charges, will he be able
Speaker 5: to find himself.
Speaker 6: If he is charged?
Speaker 5: Like I don't know It's almost like somebody that really
Speaker 5: locked into your soul. You kind of always still think
Speaker 5: about them. My entire life was changed because I met
Speaker 5: this person, for better or worse, the way that he
Speaker 5: was able to psychologically get inside my head and the
Speaker 5: way he groomed me at too young of an age
Speaker 5: to throw those boundaries down and say no, it had
Speaker 5: to have affected everyone I've dated, the way I positioned
Speaker 5: myself to them, the way I saw myself as a woman,
Speaker 5: the way that I thought my value was as a woman,
Speaker 5: and so on and so forth. I mean, it's just very, very,
Speaker 5: very complex, and the abuse is just too horrific, and
Speaker 5: the system that's propping it up is just too knowledgeable
Speaker 5: of so much of this.
Speaker 1: Aubrey, would you say when you first met him and
Speaker 1: started working with him, he was the guy that's being
Speaker 1: described in court or he was still years away from
Speaker 1: developing into what is being described as a monster.
Speaker 5: I think he lost the plot. I think he had
Speaker 5: some of the plot when I was still there. But
Speaker 5: you know, it's so hard because technology really changed the game.
Speaker 5: You know, like you can't just do all your stuff
Speaker 5: anymore without their being I mean, if someone dies, you
Speaker 5: have eighty cameras going up before people call nine to
Speaker 5: one one. Everybody is documenting, and everybody is selling the
Speaker 5: documents of everything.
Speaker 6: It's a very very like.
Speaker 5: Movable part of our culture ingrained in US now back
Speaker 5: then in the nineties, I mean, saw freaknik on you
Speaker 5: on Hulu and we're like, huh what what who? We're like,
Speaker 5: you know, every different different cultures had different reactions, But
Speaker 5: that was really shocking for people back then.
Speaker 6: That was just what it was.
Speaker 5: There's just I've been through this evolution of this is
Speaker 5: just what it is over this way and all the
Speaker 5: way to know this should never be where it is
Speaker 5: in any way. And certainly if this is just a
Speaker 5: lavish lifestyle, everybody that's allowing the money to continue rolling
Speaker 5: in for this lavish lifestyle, that are attending the events
Speaker 5: of this lavish lifestyle have got to come inside their
Speaker 5: homes at night and question would I want my daughter
Speaker 5: doing this?
Speaker 6: Would I want my daughter dating this, being involved in this?
Speaker 5: Like I guess when it's not happening to yours and
Speaker 5: your own maybe you just don't do the oversights properly.
Speaker 5: But this is a very big, very very big problem,
Speaker 5: and a lot of very big people I would like
Speaker 5: to see accountability on so many levels.
Speaker 7: I think that's been one of the most shotting things,
Speaker 7: at least to me, is to see how many people knew,
Speaker 7: how many people knew, and how many people facilitated, and
Speaker 7: how many people allowed it to continue.
Speaker 2: That's been mind blowing to me.
Speaker 5: It's facilitated and allowed to continue. And I on the
Speaker 5: higher levels on down to the people that were wrangling
Speaker 5: for him. We've talked to people where we've heard stories
Speaker 5: of that being alleged. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 5: want to see all of that. I think people that
Speaker 5: were in the know, I don't know. I knew things
Speaker 5: and I tried telling people and no one was listening,
Speaker 5: and I got to see the results of it. Maybe
Speaker 5: other people didn't want to see those results. The results
Speaker 5: aren't pretty. They're humiliating and embarrassing, and you don't really
Speaker 5: get to become what you wanted to become or could
Speaker 5: have become in life anymore.
Speaker 1: Where did you leaning? I think I've asked you this
Speaker 1: a couple of times in the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Everybody here we are, fourth full week of testimony. Where
Speaker 1: are you leaning? How do you think the trial is
Speaker 1: going for the prosecution and for the defense.
Speaker 6: I just I think that they've proved.
Speaker 5: I mean, I was speaking with an attorney the other
Speaker 5: day about the thresholds on all five charges.
Speaker 6: We've just seen them.
Speaker 5: I asked if everything's been met, and in their opinion
Speaker 5: as an attorney, they said yes on all five.
Speaker 6: I feel the same.
Speaker 5: Obviously, I'm not an attorney, but I'm yes on all
Speaker 5: five here and now today. If they brought on a
Speaker 5: bodyguard in KK, I probably just would go to sleep
Speaker 5: for the defense because it's under the jail rap type
Speaker 5: of a situation. If a bodyguard in KK go up there,
Speaker 5: if any of the bodyguard, if any of the bodyguards
Speaker 5: that I may be allegedly know that maybe have allegedly
Speaker 5: committed any federal crimes with him, if they were to
Speaker 5: have been given immunity allegedly and they take the stand
Speaker 5: and they alleged to things that they did, that would
Speaker 5: be damning. So and the attorney I spoke to his opinion,
Speaker 5: Emily Simpson, she felt like she would love to see
Speaker 5: a bodyguard and uh an executive from the system which
Speaker 5: Harf Pierre's name has been thrown around a lot in
Speaker 5: that courtroom and in civil suits and that was my boss,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 3: So it sounds like obviously there's going to be several
Speaker 3: people testifying this week. But if we see Jane, if
Speaker 3: we see Christina Korum or KKs, you like to call her?
Speaker 5: Oh girl, I don't like to call her anything. I
Speaker 5: don't call her and I don't like to call her.
Speaker 5: That is just what they call her. And I'm going
Speaker 5: with the days on that one. I don't have her
Speaker 5: in my phone, nor do I ever want.
Speaker 1: But if you did have her, what would you her name?
Speaker 1: She would be saved as.
Speaker 3: What I was wondering what your name would have been
Speaker 3: saved as in her phone?
Speaker 2: Since Eddie was Eddie my angel.
Speaker 6: My problem Eddie my Angel was how puff had him saved?
Speaker 6: Who had him saved?
Speaker 3: My hellh yeah, that's how KK had its spelled right
Speaker 3: in the phone of sean COM's chief of staff, KK
Speaker 3: misspelled is Eddie my Angel?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Eddie my Angel? Interesting? Interesting, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 5: In my phone, I would get people reaching out to
Speaker 5: me when all of this first started, and you know,
Speaker 5: some numbers, I don't know a lot of them.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 5: And then, shockingly, and it's been so many years that
Speaker 5: I didn't even know that I had people in my
Speaker 5: phone still stored in this but there was Puff's Girl one,
Speaker 5: Puff's Girl, purple shoes, puff Girls missing a diamond inner bracelet,
Speaker 5: puff Girl three. There I went to and then when
Speaker 5: it came up, I was like, oh, this girl is
Speaker 5: my profile and she's this and that and just saying
Speaker 5: Puff's Girl. And I guess at the time I was
Speaker 5: just saving anyone that was around that puff would maybe
Speaker 5: need to pass on to talk to somebody off something's
Speaker 5: going on or whatever. However whatever alleged I thought. I
Speaker 5: knew at the time that's how I was saving people.
Speaker 5: And I tend to save people that I'm not going
Speaker 5: to be close with but that I'm needing to have
Speaker 5: a moment with to move on from like that so
Speaker 5: I can get out of it. And there was a
Speaker 5: lot of Puff's Girls in my phone. It was it
Speaker 5: was pretty hectach.
Speaker 1: Last thing for me over here is just have you
Speaker 1: have you heard from people, and maybe not even people
Speaker 1: you work with, but unexpectedly since this trial has been
Speaker 1: going on, reaching out to maybe ask you something or
Speaker 1: tell you something. Just give it if you if you
Speaker 1: don't want to get into specifics, which we encourage you
Speaker 1: to do so, but just in an idea, I'm just
Speaker 1: curious how maybe folks might be coming out of the woodworks.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, everybody.
Speaker 5: There's been people that have hit me up that want
Speaker 5: to come talk on the show that are victims allegedly.
Speaker 6: There are people that we're.
Speaker 5: Only around during family times that have a hard time
Speaker 5: even seeing him like this. There are people that only
Speaker 5: saw him like this. There are days where I just
Speaker 5: get like, this guy's the fucking devil, and and those
Speaker 5: are like, those are feelings that come that happen for people.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't want to discredit any of it.
Speaker 5: I just want to make sure that we're always going
Speaker 5: back to the evidence and that we're always that I
Speaker 5: personally am always taking my biases out and making sure
Speaker 5: that like, if Brian Steele had killed this cross, I
Speaker 5: would be good. I would be telling you, I really would.
Speaker 5: I'm impressed with him as a lawyer. He's a big deal.
Speaker 5: I just really wish I heard a lot of big
Speaker 5: deal shit coming out of his mouth instead of like,
Speaker 5: weren't you just on the me too train?
Speaker 6: Aren't you just lying about everything? That's just noise.
Speaker 5: It's noise that everybody that anybody that's been around llwy
Speaker 5: or has studied the law and knows that that's utilized,
Speaker 5: and he's he was effective. I think everybody can probably
Speaker 5: say he was. She got the hardest cross.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, he was.
Speaker 5: He was brutal, and and that brutality was because she
Speaker 5: was such a good, strong, consistent witness. When they're good
Speaker 5: and strong, you have to be good and strong. I
Speaker 5: think though it's not going to work in his favor.
Speaker 5: I think it's victim shaming. It's going to come off
Speaker 5: as allegedly. I think it's going to come off as
Speaker 5: victim shaming to the jury. And I think that it
Speaker 5: it in my backfire. It's just my backfire. But I
Speaker 5: have people watching the jury. There's one person that is
Speaker 5: a little concerning for.
Speaker 2: Me, uh who.
Speaker 5: I don't know if we should get into this right
Speaker 5: now or later on, or when if it should be
Speaker 5: an episode or what.
Speaker 2: The next episode.
Speaker 5: I've had people watching the jury from the very beginning,
Speaker 5: because in my opinion, the most important day that this
Speaker 5: trial had was when they chose the jury.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so we will absolutely get into jury watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, facial expression, etc. In the next podcast.
Speaker 3: But Allfrey as always, just we so appreciate your perspective
Speaker 3: and your insight and what you can tell us about
Speaker 3: these some of these folks who are coming up and
Speaker 3: taking the stand.
Speaker 2: And what it means to the trial.
Speaker 3: And uh and again for anyone listening, we want to
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Speaker 5: And if anyone wants to ask me Amy or TJ
Speaker 5: about any fake headlines that we could clear up for you,
Speaker 5: go right ahead.
Speaker 6: I dare you. We got smoke for you too.
Speaker 1: Oh, I got to start with the smoke. Don't bring
Speaker 1: us into your little smoke fights on.
Speaker 6: The screen guards. I'll take all the smoke foreveryudy.
Speaker 1: I got it, Thank you, please, all right, folks, We
Speaker 1: appreciate you all listening. As always, continue to keep an
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Speaker 1: this trial goes on. Thanks so much for listening.
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