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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey o Day Covering the Diddy Trial.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to the Amy Roebuck and TJ.

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Speaker 3: Holmes Present Aubrey O'Day Covering the Diddy Trial podcast.

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Speaker 4: And we are now in the first or the full

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Speaker 4: fourth week of this trial, and every day it's something horrific, horrific,

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Speaker 4: jaw dropping, combetive.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Aurey, Why is horrific your word? After the

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Speaker 1: last day and a half, I guess we've seen of

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Speaker 1: testimony why horrific?

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Speaker 5: So I just think Mia was such a game changer

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Speaker 5: because she established a pattern of sexual abuse that wasn't

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Speaker 5: the way in which it's been spoken about pretty consistently

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Speaker 5: so far, which are these freak offs. There were just

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Speaker 5: alleged rapes occurring while she was packing a bag, when she.

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Speaker 6: Was asked, not asked, basically.

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Speaker 5: Forced for her job's sake, to live in his home

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Speaker 5: and not have locks on her doors, etc. There was

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Speaker 5: just all of this established behavior that is a bit

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Speaker 5: new for us to hear. So we're learning now a

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Speaker 5: broader scheme. We're also seeing somebody that was just an employee.

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Speaker 5: She didn't want to be his girlfriend, she didn't want

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Speaker 5: to be in lovers with him, and now you're starting

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Speaker 5: to get to hear from more of the enterprise.

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Speaker 3: Basically, that's right and right now as we're recording this,

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Speaker 3: on the stand is Derek Ferguson, who had a lot

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Speaker 3: of different titles throughout Diddy's enterprise, but executive titles including

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Speaker 3: chief financial Officer. And you worked adjacent to him, around him,

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Speaker 3: You saw him around the building or at least around

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Speaker 3: the areas where you guys worked.

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Speaker 5: Let me be clear, Amy, if he was in charge

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Speaker 5: of finance, which we know he was, I would likely

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Speaker 5: not know him because I didn't see a dollar.

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Speaker 2: I say, you right up for that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah I know, but I'm bomb. You did it, you

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Speaker 6: killed it.

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Speaker 5: Listen hear he was also leading up all of the

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Speaker 5: fashion brands, He did the film stuff. He was overseeing

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Speaker 5: his portfolio basically so doing the day to day operations.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, on the money side, none of the artists

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Speaker 5: probably would ever know him. He might be the least

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Speaker 5: known person to any of us over at Bad Boy

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Speaker 5: because the money was never coming to us, the artists.

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Speaker 1: But what are we talking about, potentially, how damaging could

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Speaker 1: it be? This is a guy who knows about all

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Speaker 1: the money all.

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Speaker 6: The money and where the payments were going.

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Speaker 5: You know, like Cassie established in the beginning, she was

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Speaker 5: an artist that was signed to release ten albums. There

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Speaker 5: is a paycheck that goes alongside that, and they recoup

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Speaker 5: things obviously, but you get consistent paychecks.

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Speaker 6: She made it very.

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Speaker 5: Clear early on her full time job became doing these

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Speaker 5: sex parties, in these freak offs and recovering, so she

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Speaker 5: was still getting paid as a bad Boy employee. Though

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Speaker 5: as we saw these things going on while Dannity Kane

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Speaker 5: feelings of why do we have a platinum album? At

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Speaker 5: this point we had one, this was before our second one,

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Speaker 5: and we would sit there and kind of see a

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Speaker 5: lot of very luxurious things happening and wondering, why are

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Speaker 5: we the ones that have the platinum albums and we're

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Speaker 5: songs like mad Women, and weren't carrying the bags that

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was like almost this unfair feeling, but

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Speaker 5: she was so sweet to us. It wasn't necessarily toward

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Speaker 5: her but there was always questions of like, it was

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Speaker 5: very it was always we were always very curious as

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Speaker 5: to where the money is going and where we're seeing

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Speaker 5: whole place afloat. But also in regards to Derek, he

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Speaker 5: will probably get into the whole financial structure. I'm sure

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Speaker 5: he was paid allegedly many people off. There's a lot

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Speaker 5: of DNA's going on. I'm sorry, there's a lot of NDAs. Go,

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Speaker 5: haven't had my coffee yet, guys.

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Speaker 1: No, you were right about the DNA.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of DNA.

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Speaker 3: There's about left behind in hotel rooms and blood and

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Speaker 2: It's all over.

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Speaker 6: It's all over.

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Speaker 5: You get that one light and turn off to go

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Speaker 5: to the dark Lord Jesus. But no, there's there's a

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Speaker 5: lot of NDA talk going on on the stand and

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Speaker 5: in general. I was even given an NDA when I left,

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Speaker 5: I think he's going to be able to understand a

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Speaker 6: The money, the movement.

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Speaker 5: And then also he was given a lead position over

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Speaker 5: able to talk about Mia and what he experienced working

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Speaker 5: to be true in regards to any of her testimony.

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Speaker 5: Brian's last cross, he started off his cross with me.

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Speaker 5: I thought, he you know, we're really talking one of

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Speaker 5: the best defense criminal lawyers. You could probably have, definitely

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Speaker 5: incredible on cross. His cross was like one of the

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Speaker 5: worst crosses I've seen in this test and this trial

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Speaker 5: so far, and this one this morning was a bit better. However,

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Speaker 5: if you don't have anything to go on, you don't

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Speaker 5: have any other choice than to victim shame.

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Speaker 6: Basically, you have one direction.

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Speaker 5: If you had any real material to discredit her, they

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Speaker 5: would have used it. She was a strong witness, She

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Speaker 5: was credible, and she was consistent, and so he had

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Speaker 5: to be strong with her. Unfortunately, I mean the strong

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Speaker 5: was strong. He asked her direct questions. The questions I

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Speaker 3: Well, the prosecution went as far as to say that

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Speaker 3: they were.

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Speaker 2: Were harassing.

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Speaker 5: He said, are you making it all up to me?

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Speaker 5: That's going way too far. That means you don't have

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Speaker 6: You have.

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Speaker 5: Your smoke is very little because are you making it

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Speaker 6: Is he? It's noise.

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Speaker 5: It's noise for the jury to get lost in. He

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Speaker 5: also straight up asked her numerous times if she was

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Speaker 5: I hope that he just carries that type of ideology

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Speaker 5: to his family because that's a bit much.

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Speaker 6: But basically just a lot of noise.

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Speaker 5: And at the at the redirect, they were clear, are

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Speaker 5: you making any money? Are you going after him with

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Speaker 5: the lawsuit? Are you trying to get money from this man?

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Speaker 5: The answer was no. So at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: I think they kept her on the stand too long,

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Speaker 5: and I think that the defense should have wanted her

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Speaker 1: To that point, Yeah, they said they ran over with

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Speaker 1: I want to go back. We're going to to the

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Speaker 1: one who testified after Mia. So I'm getting everybody caught

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Speaker 1: up to most current times. So we're sitting there on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday as we record this, and the first witness up

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Speaker 1: today before the first witness even got up. This morning,

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Speaker 1: we had a disturbance. You read about this more than

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Speaker 1: I did, but somebody had to be taken out of court.

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Speaker 2: Whoever that was.

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Speaker 3: They just said a man who used it on his

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Speaker 3: and then there was an outburst in court. A woman

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Speaker 3: they're lying about you, They're saying things about you.

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Speaker 2: She said she wanted him to hear that.

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Speaker 3: There were supporters in the room who were behind him

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Speaker 2: But she was move from court and taken out until

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Speaker 3: So two big moments even before the jury was seated

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Speaker 1: So God, the only thing I compared to is the

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Speaker 1: to hear about this outburst in court. What are you noticing?

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Speaker 1: I know you keep your your finger kind of on

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Speaker 1: the heartbeat of what's going on online, but what what

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Speaker 6: I mean outside the core room, it's a shit show.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's literally people out there wearing bras saying

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Speaker 5: know what we've been discussing this entire time, this like

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Speaker 5: this strong understanding in our society that if a woman

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like it's easy to brainwash

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Aubrey, I'm We're curious what you the listener

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Speaker 3: is thinking as you're hearing about what's going on in

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Speaker 3: if you're wanting to see him go down. We actually

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Speaker 3: created a hotline and so we want to let you

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Speaker 3: all know now where you can call us. You can

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Speaker 3: send us your comments, your questions, anything you'd like is

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Speaker 2: All the tea.

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Speaker 5: We want all the smoke, all the smoke and all

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Speaker 2: So the numbers hopefully pretty easy. It's eight four to

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Speaker 3: But here are the numbers eight four four four to

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Speaker 3: seven five eight seven seven, And we'll do it again

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Speaker 3: at the end of the podcast in case you didn't

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Speaker 3: have time to write it down. But we would absolutely

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Speaker 3: love to hear from you because you're seeing all of

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Speaker 3: the interest in all of the vocalizations or presentations that

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Speaker 1: And we love to hear and Aubrey Eddie Garcia on

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Speaker 1: the stand, the security guard from the hotel. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the five that Diddy brought in one hundred grand in

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Speaker 1: a paper bag to give him and another security guard

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Speaker 1: to be quiet and to give him that video of

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Speaker 1: him beating Cassie. Is that in line? Did you ever

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Speaker 6: Yes. Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: What's interesting in that piece of testimony because we know

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Speaker 5: It was just like every which way and for somebody

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Speaker 5: I mean, we don't do things like criminally, but on

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Speaker 6: And our careers.

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Speaker 5: So he just there was such an awareness for such

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Speaker 1: Albert, who's his first call if he needs an n

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but for Diddy if he's in trouble, and he

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Speaker 5: I mean, in my setting, it was You're out and

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Speaker 6: I believe, allegedly that's why we.

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Speaker 5: Didn't necessarily necessarily hear everything I was hoping Capricorn would say,

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Speaker 5: you likely could still receive the payment if you don't

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Speaker 5: But it could have been just smart maneuvering because she

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Speaker 6: She went through hell. I don't know, that's all.

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Speaker 3: Alike lawyers at his beckon call that also could potentially

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Speaker 6: Why it's a nasty job.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't do it, and so it makes any question

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Speaker 3: A little bit about more about who we're going to

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Speaker 5: We have to remember that, like people can look at

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Speaker 1: they really went after her credibility. And it's tough for

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Speaker 1: She's writing messages I love you so much, I'll always

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Speaker 5: After same thing we could say about Cassie. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I don't know to what extent yet, but.

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Speaker 5: I could see I have loved my abuser in life,

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Speaker 5: Aren't you just lying about everything? I mean, guys, do

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Speaker 6: God through this past two years.

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Speaker 5: I've had days where I was like, this is so

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Speaker 6: But I had days where I felt that.

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Speaker 1: Wait still during the trial.

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Speaker 5: You've had those days, not during the trial. I've been

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Speaker 6: I really do.

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Speaker 5: And maybe it's because I was raised and very like

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Speaker 5: pivotal years of my life in that environment with those guys,

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00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 5: But there was a part of me that just felt like,

444
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 5: this really needs to be fair, and it doesn't need

445
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 5: to be about anything other than the criminal behavior and

446
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 5: whether it's true or not and can be proven.

447
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 3: Aubrey, I'm curious because obviously Mia now has wrapped up and.

448
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: We saw and learned a lot.

449
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 3: Another highly anticipated witness who is we believe will be

450
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 3: taking the stand this week, maybe even as early as Wednesday,

451
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 3: is another victim who are alleged victim of Ditty's who

452
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: is going by the moniker Jane for Jane Doe, but

453
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 3: you know who Jane is.

454
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 5: Potentially, Basically, everything is just coroborate. Everything is showing force,

455
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 5: everything is showing intimidation, everything is showing coercion, everything is

456
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 5: reinforcing everything.

457
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 6: Every single time.

458
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 5: Someone gets up there, whether they were a male worker,

459
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 5: a female worker and employee, a lover. It's all just

460
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 5: going back to the same types of behavior.

461
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 6: I mean, we're well.

462
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 5: Past the threshold for all five charges period in my opinion.

463
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: But you did say that.

464
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: I know we talked about Mia, but you did work

465
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 3: alongside the real Mia.

466
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 5: Mia came in in a tiny bit of a crossover window,

467
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 5: but she's been very present in the industry in multiple

468
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 5: different positions, and so yes, there was crossover with Mia there.

469
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: I'll ree.

470
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: I'm curious because you described the testimony and I think

471
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 3: most people would agree as horrific, and yet it's so

472
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: interesting to hear you say before the trial you had

473
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 3: periods of sympathy for him. You felt like maybe people

474
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: were piling on or jumping onto the bandwagon. But now

475
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: that you've heard some of this incredible testimony, are you

476
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 3: even shocked? Even given what you We started out speaking

477
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: to you, and you have had your experiences, you're doing

478
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: your exploration and your investigation, but even someone who was

479
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 3: around him for as much as you were and thought

480
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: you knew the good and the bad and the ugly,

481
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: what has been your level of shock at least, or

482
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: what's been your reaction to what you're hearing versus what

483
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: you thought you were going to hear.

484
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 5: You No, I have the same type of feeling that

485
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: everyone on the stand continues to say, which is there

486
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 5: is this good side of him, There is a side that.

487
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 6: You can love.

488
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 5: That side is so palpable that people will still write

489
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 5: him after their abuse with loving messages or thoughts or feelings.

490
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that everything that's going on isn't very criminal.

491
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 5: It just means that this is very complex and layered,

492
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 5: and to suggest that there is nothing good about this

493
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 5: person is a very bold thing to suggest. And that's

494
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 5: kind of what eighty civil suits were giving.

495
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 6: On top, top on top on top.

496
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 5: Of each other for years, a year and a half

497
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 5: or so, and then you know, as it's starting to

498
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 5: be put together, there are days that I drive home

499
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 5: and call people that also were around during that time,

500
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 5: not my band members, but people in the industry, and

501
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 5: we just like sit in silence, pull up to wherever

502
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 5: we're going, and say, who the fuck were we working for?

503
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 6: Who is he? What were we in? How were we

504
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 6: put with this person?

505
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: Like?

506
00:26:54,119 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 5: Why how could this have gone so unchucke by so

507
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: many very high level corporate people. They gave him branding

508
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 5: deals and TV shows and platforms to take young impressionable

509
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 5: artists and.

510
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 6: Have them be exploited.

511
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 5: In ways that are just so degrading and humiliating that.

512
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 6: I don't know.

513
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 5: I just it's just being discussed in so many circles

514
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 5: as just being so known to people. Should Knight has

515
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 5: said it a few times. Everybody knew what puff was on.

516
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 5: Everybody knew this was going on. Even I said, everyone

517
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 5: knew there was behaviors, like everybody knew the sex parties.

518
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 5: Everybody knows I know all kinds of little tea that

519
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 5: I could drop it, legally, I wouldn't because it turns

520
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 5: you into a gossip versus somebody that's reporting on actual

521
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 5: events that are occurring to in this trial. And I'm

522
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 5: not interested in being Wendy Williams, even though I do

523
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 5: love her. But for me, I'm just trying. I was

524
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 5: trying to find if there was a soul in there somewhere,

525
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 5: if there's something redeemable, even if he serves all the

526
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 5: time that he should, because I believe that they've hit

527
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 5: the threshold on all five charges, will he be able

528
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: to find himself.

529
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 6: If he is charged?

530
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 5: Like I don't know It's almost like somebody that really

531
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 5: locked into your soul. You kind of always still think

532
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 5: about them. My entire life was changed because I met

533
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 5: this person, for better or worse, the way that he

534
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 5: was able to psychologically get inside my head and the

535
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 5: way he groomed me at too young of an age

536
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 5: to throw those boundaries down and say no, it had

537
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 5: to have affected everyone I've dated, the way I positioned

538
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 5: myself to them, the way I saw myself as a woman,

539
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: the way that I thought my value was as a woman,

540
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 5: and so on and so forth. I mean, it's just very, very,

541
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 5: very complex, and the abuse is just too horrific, and

542
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 5: the system that's propping it up is just too knowledgeable

543
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 5: of so much of this.

544
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: Aubrey, would you say when you first met him and

545
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: started working with him, he was the guy that's being

546
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: described in court or he was still years away from

547
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: developing into what is being described as a monster.

548
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 5: I think he lost the plot. I think he had

549
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 5: some of the plot when I was still there. But

550
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 5: you know, it's so hard because technology really changed the game.

551
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 5: You know, like you can't just do all your stuff

552
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 5: anymore without their being I mean, if someone dies, you

553
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 5: have eighty cameras going up before people call nine to

554
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 5: one one. Everybody is documenting, and everybody is selling the

555
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 5: documents of everything.

556
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 6: It's a very very like.

557
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 5: Movable part of our culture ingrained in US now back

558
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 5: then in the nineties, I mean, saw freaknik on you

559
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 5: on Hulu and we're like, huh what what who? We're like,

560
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 5: you know, every different different cultures had different reactions, But

561
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 5: that was really shocking for people back then.

562
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 6: That was just what it was.

563
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 5: There's just I've been through this evolution of this is

564
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 5: just what it is over this way and all the

565
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 5: way to know this should never be where it is

566
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 5: in any way. And certainly if this is just a

567
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 5: lavish lifestyle, everybody that's allowing the money to continue rolling

568
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 5: in for this lavish lifestyle, that are attending the events

569
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 5: of this lavish lifestyle have got to come inside their

570
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 5: homes at night and question would I want my daughter

571
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 5: doing this?

572
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 6: Would I want my daughter dating this, being involved in this?

573
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 5: Like I guess when it's not happening to yours and

574
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 5: your own maybe you just don't do the oversights properly.

575
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 5: But this is a very big, very very big problem,

576
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 5: and a lot of very big people I would like

577
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 5: to see accountability on so many levels.

578
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 7: I think that's been one of the most shotting things,

579
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 7: at least to me, is to see how many people knew,

580
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 7: how many people knew, and how many people facilitated, and

581
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 7: how many people allowed it to continue.

582
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: That's been mind blowing to me.

583
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 5: It's facilitated and allowed to continue. And I on the

584
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 5: higher levels on down to the people that were wrangling

585
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 5: for him. We've talked to people where we've heard stories

586
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: of that being alleged. You know what I'm saying. I

587
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 5: want to see all of that. I think people that

588
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 5: were in the know, I don't know. I knew things

589
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 5: and I tried telling people and no one was listening,

590
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: and I got to see the results of it. Maybe

591
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 5: other people didn't want to see those results. The results

592
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 5: aren't pretty. They're humiliating and embarrassing, and you don't really

593
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: get to become what you wanted to become or could

594
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 5: have become in life anymore.

595
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Where did you leaning? I think I've asked you this

596
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: a couple of times in the past couple of weeks.

597
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Everybody here we are, fourth full week of testimony. Where

598
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: are you leaning? How do you think the trial is

599
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: going for the prosecution and for the defense.

600
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 6: I just I think that they've proved.

601
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I was speaking with an attorney the other

602
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 5: day about the thresholds on all five charges.

603
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 6: We've just seen them.

604
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: I asked if everything's been met, and in their opinion

605
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 5: as an attorney, they said yes on all five.

606
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 6: I feel the same.

607
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: Obviously, I'm not an attorney, but I'm yes on all

608
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: five here and now today. If they brought on a

609
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 5: bodyguard in KK, I probably just would go to sleep

610
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: for the defense because it's under the jail rap type

611
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 5: of a situation. If a bodyguard in KK go up there,

612
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: if any of the bodyguard, if any of the bodyguards

613
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 5: that I may be allegedly know that maybe have allegedly

614
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 5: committed any federal crimes with him, if they were to

615
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 5: have been given immunity allegedly and they take the stand

616
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 5: and they alleged to things that they did, that would

617
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 5: be damning. So and the attorney I spoke to his opinion,

618
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 5: Emily Simpson, she felt like she would love to see

619
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 5: a bodyguard and uh an executive from the system which

620
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: Harf Pierre's name has been thrown around a lot in

621
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 5: that courtroom and in civil suits and that was my boss,

622
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 5: all right.

623
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: So it sounds like obviously there's going to be several

624
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: people testifying this week. But if we see Jane, if

625
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: we see Christina Korum or KKs, you like to call her?

626
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: Oh girl, I don't like to call her anything. I

627
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 5: don't call her and I don't like to call her.

628
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 5: That is just what they call her. And I'm going

629
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 5: with the days on that one. I don't have her

630
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: in my phone, nor do I ever want.

631
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: But if you did have her, what would you her name?

632
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: She would be saved as.

633
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: What I was wondering what your name would have been

634
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: saved as in her phone?

635
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: Since Eddie was Eddie my angel.

636
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 6: My problem Eddie my Angel was how puff had him saved?

637
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 6: Who had him saved?

638
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: My hellh yeah, that's how KK had its spelled right

639
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: in the phone of sean COM's chief of staff, KK

640
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: misspelled is Eddie my Angel?

641
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, Eddie my Angel? Interesting? Interesting, you know, it's funny.

642
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 5: In my phone, I would get people reaching out to

643
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 5: me when all of this first started, and you know,

644
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 5: some numbers, I don't know a lot of them.

645
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 6: I did.

646
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 5: And then, shockingly, and it's been so many years that

647
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 5: I didn't even know that I had people in my

648
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 5: phone still stored in this but there was Puff's Girl one,

649
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 5: Puff's Girl, purple shoes, puff Girls missing a diamond inner bracelet,

650
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 5: puff Girl three. There I went to and then when

651
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 5: it came up, I was like, oh, this girl is

652
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 5: my profile and she's this and that and just saying

653
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: Puff's Girl. And I guess at the time I was

654
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 5: just saving anyone that was around that puff would maybe

655
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 5: need to pass on to talk to somebody off something's

656
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 5: going on or whatever. However whatever alleged I thought. I

657
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 5: knew at the time that's how I was saving people.

658
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 5: And I tend to save people that I'm not going

659
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 5: to be close with but that I'm needing to have

660
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 5: a moment with to move on from like that so

661
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 5: I can get out of it. And there was a

662
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: lot of Puff's Girls in my phone. It was it

663
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 5: was pretty hectach.

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Speaker 1: Last thing for me over here is just have you

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Speaker 1: have you heard from people, and maybe not even people

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Speaker 1: you work with, but unexpectedly since this trial has been

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Speaker 1: going on, reaching out to maybe ask you something or

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Speaker 1: tell you something. Just give it if you if you

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Speaker 1: don't want to get into specifics, which we encourage you

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Speaker 1: to do so, but just in an idea, I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious how maybe folks might be coming out of the woodworks.

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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, everybody.

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Speaker 5: There's been people that have hit me up that want

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Speaker 5: to come talk on the show that are victims allegedly.

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Speaker 6: There are people that we're.

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Speaker 5: Only around during family times that have a hard time

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Speaker 5: even seeing him like this. There are people that only

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Speaker 5: saw him like this. There are days where I just

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Speaker 5: get like, this guy's the fucking devil, and and those

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Speaker 5: are like, those are feelings that come that happen for people.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't want to discredit any of it.

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Speaker 5: I just want to make sure that we're always going

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Speaker 5: back to the evidence and that we're always that I

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Speaker 5: personally am always taking my biases out and making sure

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Speaker 5: that like, if Brian Steele had killed this cross, I

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Speaker 5: would be good. I would be telling you, I really would.

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Speaker 5: I'm impressed with him as a lawyer. He's a big deal.

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Speaker 5: I just really wish I heard a lot of big

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Speaker 5: deal shit coming out of his mouth instead of like,

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Speaker 5: weren't you just on the me too train?

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Speaker 6: Aren't you just lying about everything? That's just noise.

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Speaker 5: It's noise that everybody that anybody that's been around llwy

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Speaker 5: or has studied the law and knows that that's utilized,

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Speaker 5: and he's he was effective. I think everybody can probably

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Speaker 5: say he was. She got the hardest cross.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, he was.

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Speaker 5: He was brutal, and and that brutality was because she

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Speaker 5: was such a good, strong, consistent witness. When they're good

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Speaker 5: and strong, you have to be good and strong. I

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Speaker 5: think though it's not going to work in his favor.

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Speaker 5: I think it's victim shaming. It's going to come off

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Speaker 5: as allegedly. I think it's going to come off as

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Speaker 5: victim shaming to the jury. And I think that it

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Speaker 5: it in my backfire. It's just my backfire. But I

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Speaker 5: have people watching the jury. There's one person that is

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Speaker 5: a little concerning for.

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Speaker 2: Me, uh who.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if we should get into this right

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Speaker 5: now or later on, or when if it should be

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Speaker 5: an episode or what.

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Speaker 2: The next episode.

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Speaker 5: I've had people watching the jury from the very beginning,

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Speaker 5: because in my opinion, the most important day that this

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Speaker 5: trial had was when they chose the jury.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so we will absolutely get into jury watching.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, facial expression, etc. In the next podcast.

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Speaker 3: But Allfrey as always, just we so appreciate your perspective

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Speaker 3: and your insight and what you can tell us about

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Speaker 3: these some of these folks who are coming up and

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Speaker 3: taking the stand.

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Speaker 2: And what it means to the trial.

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Speaker 3: And uh and again for anyone listening, we want to

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Speaker 3: throw out that hotline for you again. If you have

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Speaker 3: a comment, a question, something you'd like us to talk about,

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Speaker 3: you can get in contact with us if you reach

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Speaker 3: out on this number eight four to four or ask

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Speaker 3: us Q or eight four four four two seven five.

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Speaker 2: Eight seven seven. We can't wait to hear from you.

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Speaker 5: And if anyone wants to ask me Amy or TJ

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Speaker 5: about any fake headlines that we could clear up for you,

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Speaker 5: go right ahead.

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Speaker 6: I dare you. We got smoke for you too.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I got to start with the smoke. Don't bring

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Speaker 1: us into your little smoke fights on.

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Speaker 6: The screen guards. I'll take all the smoke foreveryudy.

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Speaker 1: I got it, Thank you, please, all right, folks, We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you all listening. As always, continue to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on this fee. We will continue to update as

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Speaker 1: this trial goes on. Thanks so much for listening.

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