WEBVTT - The World is Burning: Your Guide to the Current Uprisings

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Einstein, famed smart Guy and inspiration for Bernie Sanders's

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<v Speaker 1>hair do, once famously stated, I know not with what

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<v Speaker 1>weapons world War three will be fought, but World War

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<v Speaker 1>four will be fought with sticks and stones. The implication

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<v Speaker 1>of his words is quite obvious. By the Cold War era,

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<v Speaker 1>the weapons available to nation states had grown so powerful

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<v Speaker 1>that if they went to war with one another again

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<v Speaker 1>on a mass scale, civilization as we know it would

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<v Speaker 1>be annihilated. But what if Albert was wrong? Brilliant as

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<v Speaker 1>he was, mister Einstein was trapped as we all are

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<v Speaker 1>in the time he lived. The towering armed giants of

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<v Speaker 1>his era where the United States and the U. S

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<v Speaker 1>s are, and it was only rational to fear them

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<v Speaker 1>unleashing hell upon each other and the world. But we

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<v Speaker 1>live in different times now. Today Russia and the United

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<v Speaker 1>States still pack potent nuclear arsenals. But the great global

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<v Speaker 1>conflict that increasingly sweeps our world is not a battle

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<v Speaker 1>between nations. It is a clash between people who want

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<v Speaker 1>to be free and the authoritarians who want to squeeze

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<v Speaker 1>them dry. You've seen some of this in the news.

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<v Speaker 1>In the last few weeks. More than a million people

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<v Speaker 1>have taken to the streets of Lebanon demanding the resignation

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<v Speaker 1>of their government. Protesters in Hong Kong have continued their

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<v Speaker 1>months long battle against the state. Catalonians have taken to

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<v Speaker 1>the street and their fight for independence from Spain. Revolutionaries

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<v Speaker 1>in Rajapa fight with machine guns and wire guided missiles

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<v Speaker 1>against the overwhelming firepower of Turkey and NATO nation. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>as I type this, uprisings have lit up the skies

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<v Speaker 1>and capital cities around the world from east to west.

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<v Speaker 1>Each of these movements has its own reason for taking

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<v Speaker 1>to the street, but I think most of these activists

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<v Speaker 1>would agree with the sentiment I saw expressed on a

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<v Speaker 1>poster board in Santiago, Chile. We're not from the left,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're not from the right. We're from the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>and we are coming for those on top. This will

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<v Speaker 1>be a different episode of Behind the Bastards than you

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<v Speaker 1>normally get. This is traditionally a show that tell you

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<v Speaker 1>everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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<v Speaker 1>all of history. Uh And most days I weave a

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<v Speaker 1>tale of entertaining bastardry to a comedian guest whose rideshotgun. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>my only guests are activists and journalists from around the

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<v Speaker 1>world Chile, Lebanon, Rojava. I decided this rather unorthodox episode

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<v Speaker 1>was necessary because I truly believe that the future freedom

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<v Speaker 1>of everyone listening to this depends on what we all

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<v Speaker 1>do over the next year and change. The current uprisings

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<v Speaker 1>around the globe are but a prelude. There will be more.

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<v Speaker 1>The world is burning and it will not stop anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's begin. We can probably trace this current set

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<v Speaker 1>of revolts to the protests in Hong Kong, which started

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<v Speaker 1>on March thirty one, two thousand nineteen. Now, the spark

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<v Speaker 1>that started those protests was a proposed new bill which

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<v Speaker 1>would have allowed individuals to be extradited to China for

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<v Speaker 1>a variety of crimes. Since Great Britain gave the island

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<v Speaker 1>back to China in nine Hong Kong has been governed

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<v Speaker 1>by an agreement generally summarized stas one country, two systems.

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<v Speaker 1>People in Hong Kong enjoy more personal freedoms than the

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<v Speaker 1>citizens of mainland China. They are in effect a semi

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous zone, not completely unlike the Curtish cities of Northern Iraq,

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<v Speaker 1>but pro China. Elements within the government of Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 1>sought greater integration with China, which meant throwing many of

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<v Speaker 1>the more subversive elements of their society under the bus.

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<v Speaker 1>The people of Hong Kong did not want to see

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<v Speaker 1>their friends and relatives sent off to mainland China to

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<v Speaker 1>be beaten and tortured for their political beliefs, so they

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<v Speaker 1>took to the streets. When the protests started seven months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>most observers doubted that they would last more than a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks. But the people of Hong Kong shocked and

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<v Speaker 1>continue to shock the world with an array of innovative

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<v Speaker 1>tactics for battling state power. They placed traffic cones over

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<v Speaker 1>tear gas grenades and pour in water to disarm them.

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<v Speaker 1>They deploy phayleanxes of protesters armed with umbrellas to counter

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<v Speaker 1>police projectiles. And they organized demonstrations that flow like water

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<v Speaker 1>around the forces of the state and against all odds.

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<v Speaker 1>These tack picks have worked. The activists of Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 1>are still holding out. In fact, their movement has evolved

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<v Speaker 1>from just a protest against a single law to a

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<v Speaker 1>series of five demands from the government. They want the

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<v Speaker 1>state to officially retract the description of their protests as

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<v Speaker 1>a riot. They want their jailed fellow activists freed and

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<v Speaker 1>the charges against them dropped. They want an investigation into

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<v Speaker 1>police brutality, and they want universal suffrage, a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>vote for their leaders without the involvement of the government

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<v Speaker 1>in Beijing. The Chief Executive of Hong Kong, Carrie Lamb,

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<v Speaker 1>has ceded to only a few of the protesters demands,

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<v Speaker 1>retracting the extradition law, but holding fast against the others.

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<v Speaker 1>The Chinese government has moved twelve thousand troops onto the island,

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<v Speaker 1>and thousands more await in the wings. Week after week,

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<v Speaker 1>the clashes have continued. In the last month or so,

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<v Speaker 1>a sixth demand has developed amongst the activists, the police force,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, must now be entirely disbanded. On September thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>Carry Lamb took to the last bastion of all would

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<v Speaker 1>be tyrants, ACE book Live. She did a carefully curated

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<v Speaker 1>Q and A session where she defended the police of

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<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong, who have been videotaped firing concussion rounds at

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<v Speaker 1>journalists and shooting activists. She called the demand for the

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<v Speaker 1>police to be disbanded puzzling. Quote, I'm puzzled when I

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<v Speaker 1>hear this, because when there are public order and safety

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<v Speaker 1>issues such as theft or unfortunate attacks, people say they

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<v Speaker 1>must ask police to follow up seriously. So police are

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<v Speaker 1>playing a very important role and we must support them

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<v Speaker 1>in law enforcement. And yet the people of Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 1>continue to turn out in their millions, and now that

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<v Speaker 1>they have seen the police as an instrument of violent

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<v Speaker 1>repression on a mass scale, they are unlikely to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the way things were not without being forced

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<v Speaker 1>to do so by even greater violence. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>protests continue. The whole situation hanging upon the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>a razor blade. It is impossible to know how things

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<v Speaker 1>will end, but the powerful images coming out of Hong

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<v Speaker 1>Kong have inspired other acts of resistance around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be too much to call the protests on

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<v Speaker 1>that island the spark that set our current fires of revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>but they certainly provided fuel, just as the people of Catalonia. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Catalonia is one of the wealthiest and most productive regions

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<v Speaker 1>of Spain. The Catalonian people have their own language and

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<v Speaker 1>identity that goes back hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Barcelona is generally seen as the political and cultural capital

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<v Speaker 1>of that region. Starting in the early nineteen hundreds, Catalonia

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<v Speaker 1>became the center of socialist and anarchist politics in Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen twenties, an alliance of affinity groups,

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<v Speaker 1>which are collections of individuals with shared interests, coalesced into

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<v Speaker 1>a resistance against the dictatorship of Miguel Primo de Rivera.

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<v Speaker 1>A number of different uprisings followed for the next decade,

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<v Speaker 1>several of which were brutally suppressed by Fascist general Francisco Franco.

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<v Speaker 1>This all culminated in the Spanish Coup of nineteen thirty six,

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<v Speaker 1>which was pulled off by an alliance of anarchists and socialists.

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<v Speaker 1>For a while, these leftists held off the advancing forces

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<v Speaker 1>of Spanish fascism, but Nazi Germany and Mussolini's Italy backed

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco frank Those regime and the so called democracies of

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<v Speaker 1>the world let the resistance in Spain die. Catalonia was

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<v Speaker 1>crushed under the fascist boot heel. In time, Spanish fascism

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<v Speaker 1>died a natural death, and the nation today functions about

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<v Speaker 1>as well as any other liberal democracy, which is to

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<v Speaker 1>say that roughly half of the people there hate their

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<v Speaker 1>government at any given time. Since nineteen seventy eight, the region,

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<v Speaker 1>like Hong Kong, has had limited autonomy from the central government.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and six, Catalonia one even greater independence

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<v Speaker 1>and was described as a nation in a new statute.

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<v Speaker 1>But then came the two thousand eight financial crash and

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<v Speaker 1>bitter austerity measures introduced by the government to cut public spending.

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<v Speaker 1>Catalonia represents sixteen percent of Spain's population but contributes about

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen percent of its tax revenue. Many within the region

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<v Speaker 1>resent paying so much into a government that continually cuts

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<v Speaker 1>their benefits. That resentment was further stoked in two thousand ten,

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<v Speaker 1>when Spain's Constitutional Court reversed the statute that gave Catalonia

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<v Speaker 1>greater autonomy. Set artists held a symbolic referendum on November

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand fourteen, which was outlawed by Spain. The vote

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<v Speaker 1>showed substantial support for independence, and in the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen regional election, separatists one big. This led rather inevitably

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<v Speaker 1>to a full referendum on independence on October first, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand seventeen. The Spanish Constitutional Court declared this illegal, but

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<v Speaker 1>the referendum went forward and ninety of voters supported independence. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>only forty three percent of the region actually voted, due

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<v Speaker 1>in large part to a trade union boycott, and other

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<v Speaker 1>polls show that the Catalonian people are fairly deeply divided

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<v Speaker 1>about independence, But the Spanish government came in and cracked

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<v Speaker 1>down on the separatists brutally. Madrid dissolved the elected Parliament

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<v Speaker 1>of Catalonia and arrested nine of the most prominent secessionists

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<v Speaker 1>and brought them to trial on Monday, October fourteenth, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nineteen. All nine were convicted and sentenced two years

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<v Speaker 1>in jail. This sparked a new and much more extensive

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<v Speaker 1>series of protests against the government, as even people who'd

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<v Speaker 1>been on the fence about secession we acted to the

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<v Speaker 1>violence of the state. The latest series of Catalonian uprisings

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<v Speaker 1>have been deeply inspired by the protests in Hong Kong.

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<v Speaker 1>The primary organizing principle of the Hong Kong protesters, b water,

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be particularly impactful on Catalonians. The basic idea

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<v Speaker 1>of this b water principle is that protests should be formless, shapeless, leaderless,

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<v Speaker 1>and nimble in order to counter the clinched fist of

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<v Speaker 1>state power. Catalonians took this idea and ran with it,

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<v Speaker 1>modifying it into their own revolutionary axiom, be a tsunami.

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<v Speaker 1>They formed a group called Tsunami Democratic in September, which

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<v Speaker 1>suggested mass civil disobedience in order to defend the autonomy

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<v Speaker 1>of Catalonia. Once their leaders were sentenced, protests broke out

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<v Speaker 1>across the region, blocking traffic and assembling in multiple public

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<v Speaker 1>spaces to march on Barcelona's airport. As they marched, many

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<v Speaker 1>of these activists chanted, we are going to do a

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<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong. I'm going to quote now from an article

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<v Speaker 1>in Courts by Mary Hui, who has extensively covered the

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<v Speaker 1>uprising in Hong Kong and is covering the uprisings in Catalonia.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote at Barcelona Airport on Monday, Striking the similar scenes

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<v Speaker 1>played out as thousands occupied both the terminal and the

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<v Speaker 1>roads outside the building, eventually forcing the cancelation of at

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<v Speaker 1>least one hundred flights. Tsunami Democratic even distributed some one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thirty boarding passes via the messaging app Telegram so

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<v Speaker 1>that protesters could enter the airport, and a move reminiscent

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<v Speaker 1>of some Hong Kong protesters who purchased cheap flights in

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<v Speaker 1>order to enter the airport in circumvent a court ban

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<v Speaker 1>on demonstrations in the building. In late September, the Grassroots

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<v Speaker 1>Group Assembly in Nasional, Catalania even held a public forum

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<v Speaker 1>titled Experiences of the use of New Technologies and the

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<v Speaker 1>non violent Struggle the Case of Hong Kong. Quote quote

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<v Speaker 1>with un a quote. I should say we've been inspired

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<v Speaker 1>a lot by the Hong Kong protests, although we are

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<v Speaker 1>aware of the differences between both societies. A representative of

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<v Speaker 1>picnic x republica digital platform designed to mobilize Catalans for

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<v Speaker 1>political action, told courts the Hong Kong people have done

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<v Speaker 1>a very good job in letting every buddy else know

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<v Speaker 1>about their fight through social networks. These are the first

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<v Speaker 1>lessons we have learned from them, the use of these

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<v Speaker 1>tools to mobilize the people and keep them informed. The

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<v Speaker 1>protesters in Barcelona did not just content themselves with chanting.

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<v Speaker 1>They lit garbage cans on fire. They damage street signs

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<v Speaker 1>and traffic lights, and did an estimate at one point

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<v Speaker 1>seven billion dollars in damage to the city. This sort

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<v Speaker 1>of activism, the kind that ends with broken windows and

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<v Speaker 1>serious financial damage to the state is deeply frowned upon

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<v Speaker 1>by many Americans, even by many American liberals. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you probably feel uncomfortable with the idea, even if

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<v Speaker 1>you generally support protests. I'd ask you to think about

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<v Speaker 1>why that is, and to ask yourself if the state

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<v Speaker 1>truly understands any language but the language of damage done

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<v Speaker 1>to its bottom line. The protests in Hong Kong have

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<v Speaker 1>done even more financial damage. The stock market alone is

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<v Speaker 1>down five hundred billion dollars since the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>protests in March, and that doesn't include the financial cost

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<v Speaker 1>incurred by a blockaded airport, by roads and streets cut

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<v Speaker 1>off to traffic. A protest that doesn't cost the government

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<v Speaker 1>anything more than the manpower of its police is not

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<v Speaker 1>much of a protest at all. Jordy Barbata, a journalist

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<v Speaker 1>and political writer in Barcelona, said that the protesters in

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<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong have provided a global dimension to a local

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<v Speaker 1>conflict by attracting mass international sympathy. This sympathy might be

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing holding the Chinese military back from more

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive intervention. Jordy recognized that now and in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>activists around the world could only hope to succeed in

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<v Speaker 1>their struggles against oppressive states by generating mass awareness and

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<v Speaker 1>international solidarity. To that end, protesters in Barcelona massed in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the Chinese consulate and a show of solidarity

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<v Speaker 1>with Hong Kong. Prominent Hong Kong protester Joshua Wong told

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<v Speaker 1>Catalan News that he was worried about the excessive use

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<v Speaker 1>of force by Spanish police. He stated, people in Hong

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<v Speaker 1>Kong and Catalonia both deserve their right to determine their

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<v Speaker 1>own destiny. Simultaneous rallies were held in Catalonia and Hong Kong,

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<v Speaker 1>but as these activists express solidarity with one another, the

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<v Speaker 1>government's oppressing them did the same thing. The twelfth of

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<v Speaker 1>October brought this headline from the South China Morning Post,

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<v Speaker 1>China offers support to Spanish government amid Catalonia crisis. China's

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<v Speaker 1>Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said quote, the Government of the People's

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<v Speaker 1>Republic understands that supports the Spanish government's efforts to protect

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<v Speaker 1>national unity and its territorial integrity. Being result of the

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<v Speaker 1>struggle for Catalonian independence, like the protests in Hong Kong,

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<v Speaker 1>is still very much up in the air, but both

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<v Speaker 1>struggles offer important truths for the rest of us, including

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<v Speaker 1>my fellow Americans. Dictators and authoritarian powers around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever ideology they claim to hold, dear will always stand

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<v Speaker 1>together because the people on top always have more in

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<v Speaker 1>common with each other than they do with you. This

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<v Speaker 1>is why Turkish dictator taip Air Dooan and President Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump were able to come to such a chummy arrangement

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<v Speaker 1>about the future of the autonomous region of Northeast Syria

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<v Speaker 1>known as Rojava. The Syrian Democratic Forces or SDF, an

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<v Speaker 1>alliance of a issues who protected the leftist revolution in

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<v Speaker 1>that area, fought alongside US forces for years. More than

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<v Speaker 1>eleven thousand of them died in the battle against Isis.

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<v Speaker 1>But when push came to shove, the American President felt

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<v Speaker 1>more affinity for his fellow autocrat than he did for

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<v Speaker 1>the revolutionaries of Rojava, so he abandoned them. I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this issue at length on my podcast Worst Year Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>and a number of other places. For our purposes today,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to let the words of a much better

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<v Speaker 1>journalist than me tell the story. Kabat a Boss is

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<v Speaker 1>a reporter, a documentarian, and a fixer living in Northeast Syria.

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<v Speaker 1>She's one of the most remarkable people I've ever met.

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<v Speaker 1>In mid October two thousand nineteen, she wrote an article

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<v Speaker 1>for The New York Review of Books. This is Ethnic Cleansing,

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<v Speaker 1>a dispatch from Northern Syria. I very much recommend reading

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<v Speaker 1>the entire article, which will be linked on our website

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<v Speaker 1>behind the Bastards dot com. I'd like to quote from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the piece. Now, this is Khabbat. When

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<v Speaker 1>my mom called to ask me where I was, I

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<v Speaker 1>lied to her. Sometimes I do not want to worry her,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm often reporting on stories from play says that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't safe. When she said get ready to remove, I

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<v Speaker 1>realized something was wrong. Komischli was under attack. Can't you

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<v Speaker 1>hear the shelling? She screamed. She lives in Rimmelan, a

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<v Speaker 1>city an hour away, but she was here to visit

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<v Speaker 1>my brother. The Turks were targeting my neighborhood, she said.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Wednesday afternoon, October nine, the first day of

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<v Speaker 1>Turkey's attack on Rojava Western Kurdistan, as we call it

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<v Speaker 1>in Kurdish. Commischli, my city, was one of the few

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<v Speaker 1>places in Northeast Syria that had enjoyed relative peace despite

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<v Speaker 1>Syria's eight year civil war. In past years, Turkish president

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<v Speaker 1>Receipt Type Erdowin made constant threats against us, but I

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<v Speaker 1>never really expected him to make a move. The Americans

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<v Speaker 1>were here and they promised they would protect us, so

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<v Speaker 1>Edwin's bluster seemed meaningless. I was wrong. First we experienced

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<v Speaker 1>clashes with the regime forces of Bishar al Assad. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it was our turn to face down the fighters of ISIS,

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<v Speaker 1>the so called Islamic State. After the group rose in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and fourteen, ISIS detonated bombs and planted suicide

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<v Speaker 1>attacks in Kamischli and the towns of northeast Syria. For

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<v Speaker 1>all that, we never had artillery showing before, so when

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<v Speaker 1>my mother called, I was scared. Everyone was. That day,

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<v Speaker 1>October nine, I was driving back from Sarah Khanyi, about

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<v Speaker 1>fifty miles from Commichali, when an air strike targeted a

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<v Speaker 1>military base a few hundred yards from the scene of

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<v Speaker 1>a protest that I had been due to report on

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<v Speaker 1>about a half hour later. In the aftermath of the bombing,

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<v Speaker 1>we feared we were going to be hit by another

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<v Speaker 1>wave of Turkish planes. Everyone fled the scene. My colleague Alan,

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<v Speaker 1>who was an exceptionally good driver got us out of

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<v Speaker 1>there in seconds. This is Robert again, and just a

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<v Speaker 1>few months before, Kabat wrote that. In August of two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nineteen, journalist j Canrahan and I spent more than

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<v Speaker 1>a week in Alan's car with Kabat. At that time,

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<v Speaker 1>Rojava was at peace. We felt safe virtually everywhere. For days.

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<v Speaker 1>We visited all women farming collectives, local communes, representatives of

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<v Speaker 1>a justice system that was experimenting with art therapy as

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<v Speaker 1>a treatment for captured ISIS fighters. The sheer amount of

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<v Speaker 1>optimism we felt in the air was staggering. It almost

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<v Speaker 1>tasted Neither Jake nor I wanted to return to Iraq

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<v Speaker 1>when our visit ended. Today, however, Rojaba is in chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundreds are dead and an unknown number of ISIS prisoners

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten free. In the confusion. Two hundred thousand civilians

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<v Speaker 1>have been made refugees. I asked about how the autonomous

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<v Speaker 1>Region has handled the flow of so many refugees in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of the fighting. Here's how she responded, I

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<v Speaker 1>went to in the past days to these shelters, and

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<v Speaker 1>there is uh every time, new numbers increasing very fast,

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<v Speaker 1>and the humanitian situation get worse and the response is

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<v Speaker 1>so slow comporting to their needs. In addition, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>wars as a results of the Turkish attack on the

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<v Speaker 1>virtual centers. As the Turkish air strike they hit they

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<v Speaker 1>unlogged them in Surigny, which is feeding the WATA to

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<v Speaker 1>a city of Serikani and Hasseta ntil Timer and that

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<v Speaker 1>result a cut of WATA three days from those cities.

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<v Speaker 1>And this situation of the population and the IDPs, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gate wars as a result of that. Also, I met

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<v Speaker 1>many families and most of them basically from Trilabias Regani

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<v Speaker 1>and even some of them have been many times displacement

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<v Speaker 1>as they were from Afrin. I think if the international

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<v Speaker 1>response is limited, that will gonna lead to a humanitarian crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>Even I met the head of the West Municipality of

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<v Speaker 1>the Hassaka, Mohammed Shammy, and he was explaining to us

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<v Speaker 1>how it's there is a pressure on the city and

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<v Speaker 1>there is no support. For example, he gave an example

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<v Speaker 1>about the needs of the bread. He said, we use

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<v Speaker 1>it to back thirty five tones of the floor daily

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<v Speaker 1>for Hassaka. Only last days we are baking fifty tons

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<v Speaker 1>and we cannot cover the needs of the population. So

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<v Speaker 1>the situation every day, every hour, gate wars and wars,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is a gap and and all the organizations

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<v Speaker 1>have to respond to these needs. In the face of

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic clins in out of sheer desperation, Rojava invited in

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<v Speaker 1>the Assad regime and the Russian Army. This was not

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<v Speaker 1>a decision anyone wanted to make. Many people in Rajava

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<v Speaker 1>had risen up against Assad in the early days of

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<v Speaker 1>the Syrian Civil War. I asked her about how she

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<v Speaker 1>felt that this development would affect the women's revolution in Rojava.

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<v Speaker 1>Regime is representing the patriarchy system. On the contrary, Rojava

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<v Speaker 1>is representing the woman revolution. Women of Rojaba built last

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<v Speaker 1>eight year specific system for the woman in all levels military,

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<v Speaker 1>economically and politically, and they made impact in the education

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<v Speaker 1>via teaching digitology, which is a woman's sense on the

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<v Speaker 1>mentality of the new generations. In addition, the implementation of

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<v Speaker 1>the co presidency system and all the institutions starting from

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<v Speaker 1>coming to the highest official ranks allowed very effective participation

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<v Speaker 1>of a woman to lead this region beside them and

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<v Speaker 1>interview with the bidality co presidency of a society. Protection

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<v Speaker 1>forces in Al Jazeera kanton about this subject, and she said,

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<v Speaker 1>we know how to protect ourselves now a there are

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<v Speaker 1>years of experience and we are not afraid of a

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<v Speaker 1>region coming back. It's obvious that the woman of Rojaba

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<v Speaker 1>will not lead their gainst easily, but there is a

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<v Speaker 1>great risk on the woman evolution in case the regime

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<v Speaker 1>take over Rojava. I do believe that the region will

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<v Speaker 1>first start get the woman specifically, because this is what

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<v Speaker 1>makes Rojava unique on a global level. The very last

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<v Speaker 1>thing I asked her was what if anything people outside

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<v Speaker 1>Syria could do to support Rojava in its struggle. Here

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<v Speaker 1>was her answer. I think the people of the outside

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<v Speaker 1>can help Rojaba, and specifically, all the feminist movements have

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<v Speaker 1>to rise up for otherwise we as a woman all

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<v Speaker 1>over the world might face the risk to lose the

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<v Speaker 1>woman revolution. Any activity to support Rojaba like demonstrations, donation

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<v Speaker 1>by Code Turkish goods and rise the awareness of the

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<v Speaker 1>Western community about what is Rojava facing currently. It's a genocide,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an ethnic glancing, and it's a demograh demographic changing

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone have to take the responsibilities in order to

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<v Speaker 1>make some steps and that's what'll going to help Rojaba.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. She's calling for solidarity, the same sort of

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<v Speaker 1>solidarity the protesters in Hong Kong and Catalonia have expressed

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<v Speaker 1>for one another. Whenever I write or talk about Rojaba,

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<v Speaker 1>people always ask me where can I send money to help?

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<v Speaker 1>And you might do some good by donating to the

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<v Speaker 1>Kurdish Red Crescent. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>the people of Rojava, like the protesters in Hong Kong,

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<v Speaker 1>won't be helped by any money you could send. What

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<v Speaker 1>might help them is your solidarity, your willingness to harangue

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<v Speaker 1>your elected leaders on their behalf, or to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the streets and protest at the Turkish embassy or the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese consulate, or wherever it might get attention. There are

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<v Speaker 1>protesters in Germany right now who have protested in front

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<v Speaker 1>of buildings of companies that supply arms to the Turkish nation.

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<v Speaker 1>The United States supplies plenty of weapons to Turkey. There

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<v Speaker 1>are places you could gather. Another group of humans who

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<v Speaker 1>could really use your solidarity. Right now are the people

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<v Speaker 1>of Santiago, Chile. As I write this, the city has

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<v Speaker 1>been convulsed by marches and brutal clashes between police and

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrators for more than a week. If you read most

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<v Speaker 1>of the news about what is happening, it places the

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<v Speaker 1>blame on a four percent hike in the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>public transportation. I was lucky enough to sit down with

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<v Speaker 1>two activists in Santiago over Skype. Saul is an American

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<v Speaker 1>living in Santiago over the last eight years with his wife, Stephanie,

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<v Speaker 1>a native Chilean. They told me to be wary of

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<v Speaker 1>attributing just one cost to the protests. What initially started

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<v Speaker 1>this protest was a group, a bunch of students who

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<v Speaker 1>were evading uh the metro so to protest the rise

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<v Speaker 1>in the fair which is the second or third time

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<v Speaker 1>they've raised the metro in the last three years. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's the most expensive metro in South America.

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<v Speaker 1>And and even though for someone from the United States

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<v Speaker 1>it might seem it's still very cheap, or how are

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<v Speaker 1>they only protesting over ten more cents or whatever? But um,

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<v Speaker 1>in Chile, if you make the minimum wage, you could

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<v Speaker 1>be spending almost of your wage on the metro. It

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<v Speaker 1>is very expensive here. And uh so what happened is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of students were getting together. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>big group and so there will be hundreds of them

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<v Speaker 1>and they would all rush into the metro together and

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<v Speaker 1>jump over the turnstiles and so the h that's how

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<v Speaker 1>it all started. And then the police were very heavy

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<v Speaker 1>handed in their reaction and got very violent, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it got kind of worse from there, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>protest exploded into more of a general protest because, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of problems in Chile and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of um inequality and a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>that have never been fixed since the since the dictatorship,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're still using the same constitution that was written

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<v Speaker 1>by pinol j and um. Yeah, and there's lots of

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<v Speaker 1>other things, Yeah, the corruption of Pinera, the current president,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a lot of protests over the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years about the pension plans the AFP. Sault speaks

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<v Speaker 1>fluent English, so he does most of the talking for

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<v Speaker 1>the segments of the interview I'm including this episode, but

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<v Speaker 1>his wife talked quite a lot too, And I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to include the full audio of this interview when all

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<v Speaker 1>of the other interviews in an episode that will drop tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just going to be a straight recording of all

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<v Speaker 1>the interviews. There will be a normal episode on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get back to your regularly scheduled comedy now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've interviewed several other Chilean dissidents over Twitter, and crippling

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<v Speaker 1>inequality in that nation is one thing that every single

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<v Speaker 1>one of them has brought up as the real cause

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<v Speaker 1>of these protests. One popular memes sir reculating among activists

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<v Speaker 1>in Santiago is a picture of a glacier with a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny peak of ice above the water line and a

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<v Speaker 1>gargantuan mountain of ice underneath it. The images labeled social

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<v Speaker 1>uprising in Chile. The bit above the water is the

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<v Speaker 1>forcent metro fare increase, and the bit below the water

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<v Speaker 1>line is extremely high. Social inequality, decades of abuse of power.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost everything is privatized, including water, high taxes and low benefits,

0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:28.880
<v Speaker 1>precarious jobs, miserable pensions, politicians, outrageous salaries and benefits, high

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 1>student loan debts, unfair justice system, political police and military corruption,

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 1>predatory lending and banking system, and more. The Organization for

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<v Speaker 1>Economic Cooperation and Development the o e c D measures

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 1>income equality via something called the Genie coefficient. This ranges

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<v Speaker 1>from zero, the minimum which would exist in a perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>equal society to one which would presumably be a society

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<v Speaker 1>in which Jeff Bezos owns everything and we have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay rent for access to our own bones. Chile's Genie

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<v Speaker 1>coefficient is among the highest on the planet point five

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<v Speaker 1>zero and when to quote now from a write up

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<v Speaker 1>in Borgan magazine. Despite the high tax bracket, a higher

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<v Speaker 1>proportion of tax tends to be levied on individuals from

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<v Speaker 1>poorer socioeconomic backgrounds. This system greatly reduces the disposable incomes

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<v Speaker 1>and consumption ability of the common people. As a result,

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<v Speaker 1>the poor in Chile often suffer from malnourishment and hunger

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>because they are unable to afford basic necessities. Poor education

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<v Speaker 1>also forms the bedrock of economic inequality in Chile. Thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of young people have recently called for more education, reform

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<v Speaker 1>and peaceful demonstrations. A majority of the population is lacking

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<v Speaker 1>the skills that are essential for attaining good jobs and incomes. Moreover,

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<v Speaker 1>this inequality is also prevalent and higher education, as the

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<v Speaker 1>poorer unable to pay for college and other institutions of

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<v Speaker 1>higher learning. Additionally, Chile has had to juggle with the

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<v Speaker 1>issue of corruption at the hands of the rich and

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<v Speaker 1>powerful oligarchs in the country. These powerful entities often evade tax. Similarly,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ministry of Public Services unit has also been caught

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<v Speaker 1>up in various corruption scandals since two thous and two

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<v Speaker 1>due to a lack of resources and misallocation of funds.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're seeing in Chile is people at the top

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<v Speaker 1>who have access to basically all of the money, who

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<v Speaker 1>are not taxed nearly enough of their income, and who

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<v Speaker 1>are increasingly pushing the burden of funding the government onto

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<v Speaker 1>the people who have almost no money. It's a problem

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't sound familiar to anyone else in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, the Genie coefficient of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>is point four three, just a little bit under point

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<v Speaker 1>five zero. And um, it's really interesting because in Chile

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<v Speaker 1>almost uh ten family are they have control uh for

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<v Speaker 1>all the they are they they are they have control

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 1>with the gang. Yeah. So it's it's similar to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, where there's you know, a couple of hundred

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<v Speaker 1>billionaires that are kind of controlling everything. But in Jilian

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<v Speaker 1>it's literally ten families, and these ten families are are

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<v Speaker 1>very very rich and have a lot of control in

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the country. Um. But but yeah, so it's it's about

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things um the protest now. On October nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>President Piniera announced that he was reversing the fair increase,

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<v Speaker 1>but this did not assuage protesters. Thousands continue to take

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<v Speaker 1>to the streets. Bonfires lit up the Santiago sky, and

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<v Speaker 1>unrest began to spread to other cities in Chile, like Valparaiso.

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<v Speaker 1>Late that night, the government declared martial law. General Javier

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<v Speaker 1>Ettiaga de camp told citizens. We invite all citizens to

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<v Speaker 1>return to their homes and to evaluate the measures that

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<v Speaker 1>the government has arranged and cooperate to protect their family,

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>their integrity and their own assets. This is the first

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>time Chileans have reverted to military rules since the era

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<v Speaker 1>of Dictator Augusto Pinochet from nineteen seventy three to nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 1>and by all accounts, the state's repression of these demonstrators

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<v Speaker 1>has been brutal. At least eighteen people have been killed

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<v Speaker 1>in the protests, and by the time you hear this,

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<v Speaker 1>that number will likely be much higher. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>quote now from an article in the Guardian than interviewed

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>one protester. I was coming home and the military patrol

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>stopped me, said one bruised and blooded man as he

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>stumbled home in the early hours of Tuesday morning. They

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>put me in the truck and bang, bang, bang. They

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<v Speaker 1>smashed me in the head with the butt of a gun.

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I begged them to stop it. They kept on kicking me,

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<v Speaker 1>and they took my friend away. There's video now circulating

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter if Chilean soldiers detaining a protester and then

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<v Speaker 1>as casually as you or I might swat a mosquito,

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<v Speaker 1>shooting him in the leg with an M sixteen. The government,

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<v Speaker 1>for its part, claims all these people are looters or criminals,

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>general terms the state now applies to anyone it does

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>violence against one protester I interviewed on Twitter. Juan told

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<v Speaker 1>me this. Whenever they give a speech mentioning our current situation,

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<v Speaker 1>they talk about the protesters that way, criminals or bad

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 1>elements of society, or similar expressions, giving to understand that

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>this is a criminal matter rather than one of policy,

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<v Speaker 1>which explains the curfew, the soldiers on the streets, and

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<v Speaker 1>so on. And now here's uh Saul and his wife

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Stephanie expressing very similar opinions. The police respond to often

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>peaceful protests with with tear guys and um and violence,

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and now of course there's been declared the state of

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<v Speaker 1>emergencies and now you have the military in tanks in

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<v Speaker 1>the streets too. And why you said that the police

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten more aggressive and more violent this year, Why

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<v Speaker 1>would you do you have do? Is there a reason

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<v Speaker 1>behind that? Do you think like, is there some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of cause to that that you can see? No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not any reason. It's only a strategy of the government.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a bad idea. And in UM, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of months ago, we saw some car of the

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<v Speaker 1>cuffs uh driving in the in the passel really traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the city and uh tear gas. Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of months ago there was some crazy protests

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<v Speaker 1>and the police we were driving through like plaza, their armost,

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<v Speaker 1>like the downtown, like the center of the historic center

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>of town, and and and throwing tear guys that people

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.959
<v Speaker 1>who aren't even protesting. And um, But to answer your question,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it just has to do with the government,

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<v Speaker 1>because um, a couple of years ago the president was Bachelete,

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<v Speaker 1>who is more center left, and so I think the

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<v Speaker 1>police now under Vinera understand that they kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>carte blanche to do whatever they want and that they

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<v Speaker 1>won't be reprimanded for um violence against protesters. And when this,

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<v Speaker 1>when this current wave of like heavy street actions broke out,

0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>were y'all there for sort of the beginning of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you there on sort of the first day that

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<v Speaker 1>this like really kicked off into um, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>citywide sort of thing rather than just kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>fair protest. Yeah, definitely. So we Um we live about

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<v Speaker 1>step six or seven blocks from the Plaza Italia, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the Metro Bacadado, which is like the center of downtown,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the historic place where protests always start and

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>and so we're kind of in the thick of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also we are right by this intersection where

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<v Speaker 1>when the protest really got serious two nights ago, um,

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the there were five buses that were burned right at

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>our intersection, so um yeah, it's kind of right outside

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<v Speaker 1>our door. These burned busses have become part of one

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>of several conspiracy theories that have grown up around the protests.

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Whenever there is mass civil unrest in the country, people

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<v Speaker 1>from one are both sides of the conflict will cook

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>up conspiracies, and the world being what it is, some

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>of those will be true. Most of the conspiracies in

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<v Speaker 1>Santiago center around the burning of three busses and the

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<v Speaker 1>arson attack on the headquarters of an L Chile power

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>company who recently hiked their prices. When I first encountered

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>video of the n L building burning, it was being

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<v Speaker 1>celebrated by non Chilean leftists as a justified attack on

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a corrupt capitalist institution. But every Chilean I've interviewed has

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<v Speaker 1>expressed severe doubts as to whether or not these arson

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<v Speaker 1>attacks were the work of protesters. Yeah, like you know,

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>we're not typically uh like conspiracy there as people, but

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<v Speaker 1>as far as like what a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about is with both the n L Electric Company, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>with the fire that happened on their their staircase right there,

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>fire escape, and there was a number of suspicious things

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 1>about it. You know, it started on the eleventh floor,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like, how could a protester do that? And

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, um, And of course it only burned

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<v Speaker 1>that the fire escape and it didn't touch anything about

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the main building. And there's so there's a lot of

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 1>suspicion here UM of that, and then uh of the

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:13.240
<v Speaker 1>idea that possibly it was the police or the government

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 1>who started that as a way to justify um, bringing

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>in the military and all of that and starting the curfew.

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>And what's that thing is very similar is uh these

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<v Speaker 1>five buses that were burned outside of our apartment. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very strange because yes, there's there's almost never

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<v Speaker 1>five buses all right next to each other on the

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.439
<v Speaker 1>street in the corner and UM. And then there's also

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.879
<v Speaker 1>been videos that have been passed around what'sapp and um

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:51.240
<v Speaker 1>social media where you see that these busses were like discontinued,

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.760
<v Speaker 1>so they were already like in bad situation, their bad shape.

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>And then there's a video that's been passed around of

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<v Speaker 1>the police like escorted one of these busses very slowly,

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.839
<v Speaker 1>almost like they're escorting it here so they can burn

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:09.720
<v Speaker 1>it and again use it as justification, um to ratchet

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<v Speaker 1>up the police response. So it's hard to say, and

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't want to be a conspiracy theorist,

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 1>but certainly there's uh, there there's suspicious things happening in

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>that regard and on the street here. Almost every chile

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and that we've talked to has has said that they

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much believe that it was the police that that

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>we're doing that. Now, I don't want to act as

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 1>if I have any real understanding of who is correct here.

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>It is entirely possible that piste Off protesters committed these

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>arson attacks. It's also possible that the state did so

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>to justify President Piniera's declaration we are at war and

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.320
<v Speaker 1>his assumption of martial law. That's the thing about serious

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 1>civil unrest. Once your government starts gunning down people in

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the streets, all kinds of conspiracy theories suddenly become plausible.

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<v Speaker 1>Another local Chilean activists I found on Twitter goes by

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the name Antifa al Farrado sent me a translation of

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<v Speaker 1>an anti protest meme that blames all the unrest on

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Venezuelan President Madeiro and essentially frames the uprising in Chile

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 1>as a communist conspiracy. It's basically framed as a flow

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>chart that starts with financing politicians and parties close to

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 1>our ideologies, networking and universities and NGOs degrading the meaning

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 1>of social values, indoctrinate young people in liberal ideas. Constitutional accusation.

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 1>It's Chili's term for impeachment uh and and so on

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.879
<v Speaker 1>and so forth. So it's basically like a little flow

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 1>chart showing that everything happening in Chile right now is

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>a part of this communist conspiracy cooked up by Madeiro

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and the bowlev Orens, which is kind of one of

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>the names for the communist revolution in that country. And

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>I've seen zero evidence that this is actually true, and

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<v Speaker 1>I share it mainly to make the point of how

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>confusing these situations can get, particularly to an audience of

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 1>foreigners who are unlikely to understand the nuances of the

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>politics in the region. Most Chileans and Santiago are unlikely

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 1>to be convinced of this last conspiracy theory unless they

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>already believe in some sort of all encompassing communist plot

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>to destroy their nation. But conspiracies like this can play

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 1>a role in cutting off international solidarity with activists. More

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 1>conservative members of foreign nations might see something like this

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.439
<v Speaker 1>and become convinced that the government of Chile is only

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to defend themselves from an insidious Venezuelan plot. The

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>same behavior occurs on the left. By the way, you

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 1>do not have to look for to find people on

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Twitter condemning the Hong Kong protests as Western BacT and

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 1>part of a capitalist conspiracy against the Communist government of China.

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, all conspiracies like this are a way

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>to distract and detract sympathy from real human beings fighting

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>for their lives. I have my own political beliefs, but

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.439
<v Speaker 1>whenever I see people facing rubber bullets and tear gas

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.240
<v Speaker 1>grenades and extra judicial murder at the hands of the state,

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm always going to side with those people over their government,

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>no matter where that government lands on the political spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>On the day before I wrote this episode, Friday, the

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty six of October, more than one point two million

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:02.879
<v Speaker 1>people took to the streets of Santiago to protest. That

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.360
<v Speaker 1>should be all the evidence you need that this is

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>not just some conspiracy and is in fact the result

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.560
<v Speaker 1>of very real, very honest anger. Some Chileans continue to

0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 1>take to the streets at night in violation of the curfew. Others,

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>not willing to risk it, stay at home but contribute

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 1>to the protest by banging on pots and pans to

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>make noise and, in Juan's words, signaling their discontent. The

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 1>early stages of the protests in Santiago were pure expressions

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>of local fury based more on emotion than calculation. But

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>as the days have worn on, Chilean activists have found

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 1>themselves looking out towards Hong Kong for inspiration. When I

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>first interviewed Juan on Sunday the twenty, he told me

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>there isn't a greater level of organizing or planning. It's

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>not like the Hong Kong protests, for example. I guess

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>we're not very sophisticated protesters, and then he sent me

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>up smiley faced with sticking its tongue out. But a

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.280
<v Speaker 1>few days later on I ran across a video on Twitter.

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>It shows hundreds of protesters in the streets of Santiago.

0:38:57.320 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>A police tear gas grenade comes sailing over the crowd

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and lands in the middle of it. A dozen or

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>so men and women quickly surround the grenade, dumped into

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>a plastic bag, and douse it with water. Linked in

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the video was a tweet from a Hong Kong activists

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.640
<v Speaker 1>from four days earlier explaining this exact method for dealing

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:17.360
<v Speaker 1>with tear gas. The only recent protests to eclipse the

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.879
<v Speaker 1>uprising in Chile in terms of scale are the ones

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 1>currently happening in Lebanon on the twenty October, more than

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>one point two million people marched against their government nationwide,

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and on the nineteenth more than a million people assembled

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>in Beirut alone. Now, the Lebanese nation only has a

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.280
<v Speaker 1>population of four or five million, which makes these protests

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the proportional equivalent of some eighty million Americans taking to

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>the streets two days in a row. And if you

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.839
<v Speaker 1>follow mainstream Western news sources reporting on the unrest, they'll

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 1>generally blame it all on What's App. On October twenty,

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.720
<v Speaker 1>two thousand nineteen, Public Radio International published an article titled

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>how Lebanon's What's app tacks unleashed a flood of anger.

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 1>But as with the public transit tacks in Chile, the

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 1>events being looked at as causes of this unrest just

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the straws that broke the camels back. In fairness to

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>p r I, the actual article does go into this

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>in a little bit of detail, but we all know

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>that in the social media era, most people barely read

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>past the headlines. So I sat down with joey Ayoub,

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 1>a Lebanese writer and Middle East North Africa editor for

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>if X and Global Voices. He's been present for many

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 1>of the marches in Lebanon, and he pointed out that

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the recent unrest in his country was

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 1>actually kicked off by a series of brutal wildfires and

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 1>an incompetent government reaction to the crisis. Lebanon actually had

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 1>horrible wild fires back in two thousand eight, which inspired

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>a group of citizens to raise money to buy a

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.920
<v Speaker 1>small fleet of firefighting helicopters to protect the country in

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the future. Now, these helicopters were very successful in putting

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 1>out wildfires for a couple of years, but due to

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>outrageous corruption, money to repair those helicopters was funneled away

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>towards god knows what and who, and my two twelve

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 1>the fleet was no longer operational. Here's Joey the wildfires.

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 1>That was last Monday, So that's fourteen the night of

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the fourth into the fifteenth, and classed about forty eight

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:08.480
<v Speaker 1>hours and it was Yeah, and those for the that

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 1>was well lost basically years worth of teas lost. Usually,

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>so I think there was something I came against teas

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 1>that's horrible. That's usually an average. Yeah. Uh So that

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:26.760
<v Speaker 1>obviously pasted a lot of people off because the government

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 1>was utterly incapable on reading whatever wants to deal with it.

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 1>You had pretty much we haven't had several servants paid

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>in like twenty years of these old volunteer forces, and

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 1>you had you even had like this about defense forces

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 1>from the Palestinian camps that stepped up that helped, and

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 1>you had basically volunteers just doing it themselves. There wasn't

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>really anything until two things happened that put them off.

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 1>One is Greece cyclists in Jordan basically sent some you know,

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 1>helicopters and whatever. And the other thing is we got

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 1>lucky because it started gaining the day after. Yeah, so

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty much why, like we the damage was more

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>or less limited, if you want. And so the fact

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 1>that after all of this, just like a day later

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:12.880
<v Speaker 1>or something, the first thing the government can think of

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>doing is to impose it acts on what'sapp, which is

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:19.360
<v Speaker 1>obviously free service that people use because actual phone services

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 1>are extremely expensive. And Lebanon that was kind of you know,

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 1>as everyone has been saying that, you know, that whole

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of poly comes back then and then you had

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>protests on that like that Thursday evening, so that's basically

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>weak now. And in that protest you had lots of

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.800
<v Speaker 1>good blogs. You had basically some of the usual protests

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>that we have been seeing before. And during that protest,

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 1>one of this if you want symbols, that became this Uh.

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the point of unity, I guess is

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:55.919
<v Speaker 1>there was the bodyguard of one one politician took out

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 1>his gun, started scaring people. People were not scared, they

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>were actually fighting act. And then he had this woman

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 1>who kicked him. Uh. And that became this sort of

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>meme and it became super popular and that kind of

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 1>galvanized everything. And then after that it became sort of

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>like a daily story. More people come down, there's a

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>bit of a passion than the next day, even more

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.360
<v Speaker 1>people come down, a familiar story if you if you

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 1>see what I'm going with this, and now how it's

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.360
<v Speaker 1>day in number eight and people are sitting in the

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 1>steats and it's way more than justin by roots. The

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 1>protests in Beirut started off with the air of almost

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 1>a carnival or perhaps a dance club, and there was

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>in fact DJs and dancing, but there was also a

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 1>powerful sense of solidarity that grew between people day after

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:43.280
<v Speaker 1>day and built upon itself. The only reason these protests

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 1>have not been crushed by the government. Is that activists

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:47.839
<v Speaker 1>were able to mobilize enough people from a wide enough

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>s wife of society that mass brutality simply was not

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>an option. Seventy two hours into the campaign, Prime Ministers

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Sadhariri announced a new economic package, halving the salaries of

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.279
<v Speaker 1>public officials, read amping the electricity sector, and eliminating a

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:04.959
<v Speaker 1>bunch of do nothing government jobs that existed to suck

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>money away from the poor and squired into the hands

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 1>of rich connected people's children. This was rightly celebrated as

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.760
<v Speaker 1>a victory by many activists. Although the protests are ongoing

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and most Lebanese believe there is much more to be done,

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the success they've seen already is proof of how much

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 1>can be accomplished and how quickly it can be accomplished

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 1>when enough of the nation gets on the same page.

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Now that may seem impossible and a nation is divided

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:31.280
<v Speaker 1>as the United States, but prior to these protests, Lebanon's

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:35.359
<v Speaker 1>division seemed unbridgeable to you know. Two days ago was

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the thirtieth anniversary or commemoration whatever off the TOEF Agreement,

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the agreement that was signed in that ended the Libanese

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Civil War, and they signed it in the city off

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:52.799
<v Speaker 1>in Saudiahevia, and that system sort of codified sectarianism even

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 1>more than it was before the war. It did a

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 1>number of things I won't get into now it's not

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>that relevant, but what it did really is make it

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:06.279
<v Speaker 1>almost basically impossible for anyone to identify, for like, in

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>any other way other than with your sect. So the

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 1>fact that I am from a certain sect, it doesn't

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>matter if I am a believer or not, or in

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.480
<v Speaker 1>atheists or not, None of these things matter. What matters

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:20.719
<v Speaker 1>is that this, this is your sect, and so you

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 1>vote according to that, and you vote according to sect

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and according to where your family is supposedly originally from.

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 1>So for example, I can vote in a Shefie, but

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't live in a shefe I live in a

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.959
<v Speaker 1>different part of Lebanon. And that's part of the reason

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:40.840
<v Speaker 1>why it's been so difficult to really organize, because, for example,

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 1>when there was the municipal elections in thousands sixteen, uh

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:48.720
<v Speaker 1>something like a quarter of story, like, there's four times

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.280
<v Speaker 1>more people who actually live in baby boots than people

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 1>who are adjusted to to vote in bay boots. So

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:56.920
<v Speaker 1>you have many of my friends who live and I

0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:58.960
<v Speaker 1>don't live in Baywood, but they live in they live

0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:01.720
<v Speaker 1>in baby Boots, and so they were helping organized people

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 1>who are officially registered and maybe including people who don't

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 1>live there to vote there. So that's kind of just

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>like a small example of why it's been so difficult

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 1>on all levels to really organize for an alternative to

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 1>disc thanks with them that we have now. And yet

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>with no centralized structure, with no hierarchy of leadership, the

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 1>people of Lebanon have been able to at least somewhat

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 1>transcend the divisions built into their society to stand up

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and force basic change. The exact nature of the problems

0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:34.280
<v Speaker 1>that must be confronted will differ from country to country

0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>with every protest, but as we see when we observe

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.880
<v Speaker 1>all of these movements side by side, the basic script

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 1>for effective change is always the same. Pick a few

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>concrete things that everyone agrees need to be changed, get

0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 1>enough people out into the street and disrupt the normal

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:52.759
<v Speaker 1>flow of life, and make the nation effectively ungovernable and

0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 1>unprofitable until you get what you need now. The fact

0:46:57.560 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 1>that this is all relatively simple does not make it

0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 1>easy zy nor does it mean that every uprising like

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.839
<v Speaker 1>this is guaranteed to meet with success. Quite the opposite, really,

0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>And this rather tragically brings me to Egypt. Ab del

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Fata Alcisi came to power in two thousand thirteen via

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 1>a super fun military coup. Since his predecessors have been

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:26.000
<v Speaker 1>famously swept out of power by popular unrest and mass demonstrations,

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 1>he spent much of his time in power making such

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:31.879
<v Speaker 1>things impossible in the future. CC knows something that only

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the very smartest dictators learned. You cannot let protests start

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 1>because once they start, they can grow exponentially, like things

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 1>did in Lebanon, and then there are too many people

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 1>out in the street to shoot, and then you have

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 1>to make concessions, and then you fall. In late September

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>two nineteen, an exiled former military contractor named Muhammad Ali

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>started posting a series of videos documenting massive corruption within

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the Egyptian military. He called for a million people to

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:03.360
<v Speaker 1>march in the streets. This was, of course, just a spark.

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 1>More than one third of Egyptians live in poverty. Most

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.240
<v Speaker 1>of the people who did take to the streets cited

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>economic grievances as the reason they stood up but sadly

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 1>they did not stand for long because CC's military was

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.799
<v Speaker 1>there to crush their will. And I'm going to quote

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 1>from the Guardian. Now more people have been arrested since

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 1>rare protests broke out last weekend, and on Thursday, the

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Ministry of the Interior affirmed that it will confront any

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 1>attempt to destabilize the country with decisiveness. According to local media,

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 1>central Cairo was heavily guarded as riot police, fans of

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 1>security officials, and plain closed police spread out among the

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 1>network of streets surrounding Tafrir Square, the epicenter of egypt

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.440
<v Speaker 1>two thousand eleven revolution. The figures for the arrests were

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 1>compiled by the Cairo based GEO, the Egyptian Center for

0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:49.479
<v Speaker 1>Economic and Social Rights. Bystanders and others who had little

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:51.799
<v Speaker 1>to do with the protests were reportedly detained along with

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:56.240
<v Speaker 1>the demonstrators, and those arrested being held across the country. Now.

0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:58.879
<v Speaker 1>When people did try to march in Egypt, police met

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 1>them with tear gas, with ubber bullets, with real bullets,

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and with brutal clubbings. They also blocked off access to

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 1>much of the Internet, restricting Twitter, Facebook, Messenger. In Skype,

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:10.200
<v Speaker 1>as well as a number of international news sites, in

0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:13.240
<v Speaker 1>order to make it impossible for Egyptian activists to coordinate

0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:16.000
<v Speaker 1>with one another or to share their stories with the

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>rest of the world. All of this worked, the protests

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:23.840
<v Speaker 1>in Cairo fizzled out. Cecy's reign is for now seemingly secure.

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Sixty thousand political prisoners still languish in Egyptian jails, and

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:32.040
<v Speaker 1>authoritarians around the world viewed this development with as much

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.160
<v Speaker 1>optimism as I have for the protests in Lebanon. Just

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:38.880
<v Speaker 1>days later, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson praised the dictator

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.759
<v Speaker 1>for a positive progress and with the relationship between the

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:45.400
<v Speaker 1>two nations. U S President Donald Trump called CC his

0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 1>favorite dictator and said of the suppressed protests in Cairo,

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:54.720
<v Speaker 1>everybody has demonstrations now. The Guardians spoke with several Egyptians

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 1>about their reasons for protesting and for not protesting, sayed

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 1>a thirty four year old fest employee gave a response

0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:04.920
<v Speaker 1>that I think embodies exactly how dictators want their people

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to feel. Quote I never went to a protest and

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I never will go. There is a lot of things

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 1>wrong in the country. Some people are literally eating from

0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the garbage, but protesting and riots will make things worse.

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 1>God knows. I agree with what they say, but I'm

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 1>alone and I have no one to defend me, so

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I can only focus on putting bread on the table now.

0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:27.960
<v Speaker 1>The good news is that unspeakable brutality does not always

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:31.239
<v Speaker 1>halt people from standing up. Sometimes things can get so

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 1>bad that no amount of bullets and battery will dissuade

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 1>a population. And this is what we are seeing right

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<v Speaker 1>now in the nation of Iraq. The basic story there

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<v Speaker 1>is the same one we've dealt with this whole episode.

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<v Speaker 1>The government in Baghdad is corrupted and incompetent. It squeezes

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<v Speaker 1>the average people of the nation dry while offering them

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<v Speaker 1>piss poor public services and little hope of a better future.

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<v Speaker 1>The people there got angry, and so they started protesting.

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<v Speaker 1>The police and security forces responded with almost unbelievable bloodshed,

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<v Speaker 1>killing multiple men by firing tear gas canisters directly into

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<v Speaker 1>their skulls. I've seen some utterly unspeakable X ray images

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<v Speaker 1>of the corpses of these protesters, skull shattered and deformed

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<v Speaker 1>by massive metal cylinders of poison. It's it's beyond comprehension

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways. More than a hundred people have been

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<v Speaker 1>murdered so far, and as I write this, the protests

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<v Speaker 1>are still ongoing. It is possible that the violent sweeping

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<v Speaker 1>Iraq right now will degenerate into a vicious conflict, not

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<v Speaker 1>unlike the Syrian Civil War. I hope things will go better.

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<v Speaker 1>The people of Iraq deserve a break, and more than anything,

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<v Speaker 1>they deserve your attention and your solidarity. They are a

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<v Speaker 1>part of this great global uprising, and their future freedom

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<v Speaker 1>is tied directly to yours. In two thousand eleven, as

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<v Speaker 1>the Arab Spring reached Syria and protests turned to gun battles,

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<v Speaker 1>the world and the United States largely turned away. There

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<v Speaker 1>is an excellent New York Times column which I would

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<v Speaker 1>advise you all to read. It always comes back to

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<v Speaker 1>Syria by Ranya Abuzed. I'm going to quote from that now.

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<v Speaker 1>The Syrian War enabled a resurgent Russia to expand its

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<v Speaker 1>influence in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia and Cutter imported

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<v Speaker 1>their feud into Syria, backing different rebel groups and fomenting

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<v Speaker 1>rivalries that in part helped splinter the armed opposition Iran

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<v Speaker 1>and its Lebanese ally, Hezbollah supported the government of Bisharh

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<v Speaker 1>al Assad Hesbala's domestic Lebanese opponents supported the rebels. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point in Lebanon, every fourth person was a Syrian refugee. Jordan,

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<v Speaker 1>too has borne the brunt of the refugee crisis. Turkey,

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<v Speaker 1>the conduit for foreign fighters and munitions into rebel ranks,

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<v Speaker 1>absorbed three point six million Syrian refugees and hosts the

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<v Speaker 1>world's largest refugee population. All of Europe, by comparison, is

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<v Speaker 1>home to about one million Syrian refugees, on influx that

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<v Speaker 1>has nonetheless upended Europe's politics. And then there was the

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<v Speaker 1>rise of the Islamic State and Al Qaida's use of

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<v Speaker 1>the Syrian conflict to rejuvenate its ranks and recruit men

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<v Speaker 1>and money. Both groups exported horror well beyond Syria's borders.

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<v Speaker 1>The flood of refugees from Syria and the rise of

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<v Speaker 1>Isis are intimately tied with the fact that Donald tr

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<v Speaker 1>Rump is the president in our very own nation, and

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that Nazis now march in Germany again,

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<v Speaker 1>and with the fact that the city of Portland, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>has become an irregular battlefield for fascists and anti fascists.

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<v Speaker 1>None of the terrible things happening in our world occur

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<v Speaker 1>in a vacuum. It is something of a cliche right

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<v Speaker 1>now on social media to refer to the terrible news

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<v Speaker 1>that so dominates our daily lives as evidence that we

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<v Speaker 1>live in the darkest timeline. Much of the reason things

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<v Speaker 1>are so very grim right now is the complete failure

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<v Speaker 1>of liberal democracies around the world to respond effectively to

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<v Speaker 1>the Syrian Civil War. Many people thought that since the

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<v Speaker 1>country was, in Donald Trump's words, seven thousand miles away

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<v Speaker 1>from them, what happened there was not their business. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was. And what is happening in Iraq, in Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 1>in Chile and Hong Kong, and in many other nations

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<v Speaker 1>around the world is all of our business. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even cover the protests in Ecuador and Indonesia and Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>The world is a fire with rage right now. Those

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<v Speaker 1>of us who live the islands of stability can turn

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<v Speaker 1>our heads away and focus on our own personal problems,

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<v Speaker 1>as say it in Egypt, focuses on putting bread on

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<v Speaker 1>the table. But if we do that, the hope for

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<v Speaker 1>a better world is truly lost. For all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's the episode. That's what I got for

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<v Speaker 1>you now. Uh. You can find us online behind the

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0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:30.440
<v Speaker 1>on te Public. But really, um, what you ought to

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<v Speaker 1>do is find a way to get involved. To find

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<v Speaker 1>something that you can do, even if you just started

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<v Speaker 1>by putting in an hour in a week to some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of activism, something near you or far from you. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't let this moment in history pass you by.

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<v Speaker 1>There's people out there fighting who need your solidarity. There's

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<v Speaker 1>things near you that need to be fought for. Go

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<v Speaker 1>do it.