Speaker 1: This meeting is being recorded. How you sound, robot. So
Speaker 1: if you don't defend the robot, I'm not. I'm defending
Speaker 1: your very poor imitation of the robot. Well, she would,
Speaker 1: she would, she would kill you if she had the chance.
Speaker 1: So absolutely Well, this is Behind the Bastards, a podcast
Speaker 1: where we support machine genocide, but by which I mean
Speaker 1: genocide of the machines. Machines, although one does cause the other.
Speaker 1: So strap in watch the Animatrix. I guess I don't
Speaker 1: know where I'm going with here. Garrison's here. This is
Speaker 1: another reverse episode, Garrison, I don't have my ship together,
Speaker 1: take it over. I'm gonna drink up CD. Have fun
Speaker 1: with your fake sugar. Drink um. Oh, it's so much
Speaker 1: more real than real sugar. Howard sugar, I call it
Speaker 1: okay um. Today we're talking thinking about a fun light
Speaker 1: topic that has no implications on public health and trust
Speaker 1: in how we view pandemics going forward. We're talking about
Speaker 1: going these days? Is it good? That's good? Funny? Funny?
Speaker 1: You mentioned that um as as we're recording this. The
Speaker 1: delta variant is the is the dominant strain of COVID
Speaker 1: here in the States, and pretty much pretty pretty pretty
Speaker 1: much everywhere else too. Um, it's much much more contagious. UM.
Speaker 1: And with with many of the COVID preventative restrictions being
Speaker 1: removed across the country, cases are on a rapid rise
Speaker 1: basically everywhere. Um. It's not like we're there's some places
Speaker 1: that are going to have to put restrictions back in place. Um,
Speaker 1: and you know, start making the mascumnates again. UM. Because yeah,
Speaker 1: the variant this has about eighty three percent of cases
Speaker 1: in the States that are diagnosed is for the delta
Speaker 1: variant UM. And it does have so called breakthrough infections
Speaker 1: in some vaccinated people to say with asymptomatic or very
Speaker 1: mild cases. UM. I think there's been about five thousand
Speaker 1: deaths of people who are vaccinated who with the with
Speaker 1: with a delta variant. UM. So yeah, let's see. But
Speaker 1: but more than of people hospitalized for COVID are unvaccinated
Speaker 1: at the moment, so like it's still like it's yeah,
Speaker 1: like you need to get vaccinated, like the most almost
Speaker 1: all people who are going to the hospital for COVID
Speaker 1: are are unvaccinated. UM. But the the the brakes for
Speaker 1: infractions for for vaccinated people, combined with the lack of
Speaker 1: masks and an increase in indoor socialization. Also racist possibility
Speaker 1: that vaccinated people can carry and transmit variants to other people,
Speaker 1: including you know, other unvaccinated people, which which you know
Speaker 1: includes children and people with immune issues that prevent them
Speaker 1: from getting the vaccine, not not just anti vaxxers. Um.
Speaker 1: So all all of that plus school opening back up
Speaker 1: in in person for in August and September. But I
Speaker 1: can't get said Garrison. Yeah, I know, um Marjorie Taylor Green,
Speaker 1: which I don't want to talk about because like the
Speaker 1: reason why, the reason why she she's a problem is
Speaker 1: because we talk about her. Um. But she she yesterday
Speaker 1: she had like a very bad interview of her go
Speaker 1: viral and she laughed about she like some ask your
Speaker 1: question about like kids dying and she laughed it off.
Speaker 1: And like just earlier that week, a five year old
Speaker 1: in her own district died of covid um. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's funny. The funny thing. Funny is the wrong word.
Speaker 1: The existentially soul destroying thing, the black pilling thing is that,
Speaker 1: like there's so many liberals who pointed that out on
Speaker 1: Twitter as if it matters exactly if that will ever
Speaker 1: matter again, And there's there's there's no gotchas. If anything,
Speaker 1: it makes it makes it worse for us the more
Speaker 1: we do that in a lot of ways. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: all still living in this world where like John Stewart
Speaker 1: can own Tucker Carlson on televised debate and it it
Speaker 1: has an impact, and and and and Robert. Look look
Speaker 1: how well that turned out for Tucker Carlson. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: didn't deal with Tucker Carlson. Maybe maybe debating and owning
Speaker 1: people has never solved a single problem in the history
Speaker 1: of of the world. Hans Lytton owned Hitler pretty bad
Speaker 1: in a nineteam what was it, thirty one? I think,
Speaker 1: uh didn't didn't end up doing the trick. Never does,
Speaker 1: never will stop talking to people. Yeah, so at this
Speaker 1: moment right now, we're not doing too great in terms
Speaker 1: of public health and like trust in public health either,
Speaker 1: you know, for a lot of reasons, um but but thankfully,
Speaker 1: in harsh times like this, we have a select few
Speaker 1: people who who rise to the challenge to to inform
Speaker 1: the public by grifting off a public health crisis to
Speaker 1: pedal snake oil products and further their career by being
Speaker 1: a beacon of disinformation. Today we're talking about covid anti
Speaker 1: vaccine grifters. Um we'll we'll be will be starting off
Speaker 1: with more of like of of a classic like health
Speaker 1: and wellness grifter and then move on to someone who's
Speaker 1: then then then move on to someone who's more dangerous
Speaker 1: but who motives are a little bit a little bit
Speaker 1: less clear. Early on in the pandemic we covered people
Speaker 1: like one of the Paltrow who was like things like that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talking about one person who's doing you know,
Speaker 1: some some stuff, some stuff like that got it. So
Speaker 1: the first person we're discussing in the vein of like
Speaker 1: that type of health and wellness kind of grifter is
Speaker 1: named Julie Mazzi of well now, I guess kind of
Speaker 1: former um natural pathic doctor who practiced in Napa, California. Garrison,
Speaker 1: are you about to tell me this lady got kicked
Speaker 1: out of being a natural path because that's like, to
Speaker 1: go back to the last episode we record, that's like
Speaker 1: getting kicked out of action park for being too drunk.
Speaker 1: Um kind of, it's more like it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to practice from jail. Okay, No, but nothing, I just
Speaker 1: as long as my opinion of natural Pappy doesn't have
Speaker 1: to change, you know, it doesn't have to change. Doctor
Speaker 1: Doctor Trulie Vezi is at old, according to her website,
Speaker 1: is a licensed primary care doctor whose aim and passion
Speaker 1: is to empower her clients to heal. She believes it
Speaker 1: in hold deep perspect for everyone's innate ability to discover
Speaker 1: and find a path for their own well being. The
Speaker 1: question has the word empower ever been used in a
Speaker 1: situation in which it was not like fundamentally toxic in
Speaker 1: life threatening? Has anyone used the word empower and not
Speaker 1: been endangering the people they were empowering. Has that happened
Speaker 1: a single time? No, that's that's a good question of it,
Speaker 1: And in this case probably probably not. This this one
Speaker 1: she she's on this show, which means she's she she is,
Speaker 1: she has made it. If somebody says they want to
Speaker 1: empower you, legally, if it's a stand your ground state,
Speaker 1: you can start shooting at them. Legally you can. I
Speaker 1: think I'm fairly certain I'm going to empower you with
Speaker 1: this knowledge, So defend yourself. Doctor Mazzi received a doctorate
Speaker 1: in naturopathic medicine from the National University of Natural medicine
Speaker 1: in Wait, guess guess what city, Robert. Uh, it's not Mexico,
Speaker 1: because you said city city, that's what city it's It's
Speaker 1: because if you look up, if you do a fun
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure you get the Google right. Um,
Speaker 1: if you google, I think vaccine hesitancy map. Uh, and
Speaker 1: you can find I believe that's the term you'll need
Speaker 1: to use. Yeah, yeah, you can get vaccine hesitancy map
Speaker 1: of the United States. Uh. Portland, Oregon shines real bright
Speaker 1: on that particular. And the place where she got her
Speaker 1: degree from has like specialized doctors who give like like
Speaker 1: vaccine hesitancy plans um. Yeah, and that could vary from
Speaker 1: like people who are like, you should get vaccinate your kids,
Speaker 1: but you get a space out there mmrsh goats to
Speaker 1: three separate ones, which is what wakefields. An initial grift
Speaker 1: was yes to obviously the whole all vaccines. You're trying
Speaker 1: to microship murder your baby's Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: she got her doctor important organ. I believe she was
Speaker 1: born here um as well um at. At a very
Speaker 1: early age, Dr massif Quo felt the call to be
Speaker 1: a healer and teacher. Her spirit of investigation came alive
Speaker 1: when she discovered her strong connection to the plant world.
Speaker 1: Fascinated by nutrition and medical and the medical properties of
Speaker 1: food and herbs, she experimented with various diets and searched
Speaker 1: for exotic fruits and vegetables and herbs to discover their
Speaker 1: effects for herself. Throughout her life, she experienced many different
Speaker 1: healing healing foods so that she may honestly refer her patients,
Speaker 1: uh that because she knows and understands from her own
Speaker 1: experience what these herbs do. So here's the thing for
Speaker 1: a lot of people like myself included in the States. Um,
Speaker 1: we the health system. We kind of think the health
Speaker 1: system sucks right, like it does. It's like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of elements. I have some specific doctors, I have
Speaker 1: nice things to say about. I have nothing nice to
Speaker 1: say about our medicals. Yeah. Like yeah, like the modern
Speaker 1: modern medicine by and large, especially in the States, it sucks.
Speaker 1: It's hard to navigate. I'm not talking about like the
Speaker 1: e er itself or whatever is. Again, as a general rule,
Speaker 1: people who are doing emergency medical work are ran, but
Speaker 1: the system itself that that that organizes and operates. I
Speaker 1: have very little positive to say about it specifically, Like
Speaker 1: you know, we'll be talking about a lot about like
Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals this episode. You know, people are prescribed a lot
Speaker 1: of things that don't necessarily help them and end up
Speaker 1: hurting them. Um. So like and I kind of get
Speaker 1: the drive to search for more like historical and like natural,
Speaker 1: like natural because plants rock. Plants like plants. Women. Dude
Speaker 1: who keeps pounds of planting yarrow comfree um and a
Speaker 1: bunch of other like dried plants, Like I grows some
Speaker 1: of that ship. I make my own stabs and tinctures
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Like yeah, like many some of it does
Speaker 1: stuff and you can generally find like stuf these. Again,
Speaker 1: one of the things, like Dr Kava, who's a friend
Speaker 1: of both of ours, point is like there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as alternative medicine. If it's a plant based medicine
Speaker 1: that does something, it's just medicine. Like you can look
Speaker 1: up medical benefits of like um comfort your yarrow for
Speaker 1: wound treatment or whatever, and like there's studies on it.
Speaker 1: It's not anyway I've got on this ramp before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like like that's not what we're talking about with
Speaker 1: Dr Mazzi here. Uh, this is this is different because
Speaker 1: you know, as we'll see, she's someone who is like
Speaker 1: knowingly an actively you know, charging people for false cures
Speaker 1: and doing active harm as people's lives in danger so
Speaker 1: that she can make a buck. UM. There's some other
Speaker 1: interesting info from her site. UM quote Drum comes from
Speaker 1: a family of notable, notable educators. Her her grandfather, Stephen E. Elper,
Speaker 1: founded both Portland State University and uh Olon College. So
Speaker 1: like PPSC was actually is like a is a pretty
Speaker 1: pretty big, pretty big deal in Portland. UM. It's one
Speaker 1: of the one of the biggest universities in the state UM,
Speaker 1: which is like an actual regular university. UM. Her grandmother
Speaker 1: was a high school teacher for many years, and her
Speaker 1: mother taught kindergarten for forty years, and her father was
Speaker 1: a college professor. So she comes from like a family
Speaker 1: of like of of doctors and educators. UM that they're
Speaker 1: real proud. I mean, so does Wakefield though his parents
Speaker 1: are both like very well regarded doctors or so. Dr
Speaker 1: Masi claims that she shares her family's passion to educate
Speaker 1: coach when someone has knowledge and understanding of their health
Speaker 1: problem and the array of hall of of holistic and
Speaker 1: non toxic therapies that are available to them. That patient
Speaker 1: is now at the helm of their own healing um
Speaker 1: and and there she she actually, you know, the sex
Speaker 1: part has has some more sinister implications for how she
Speaker 1: was able to market herself um and her business was
Speaker 1: with such effective propaganda UM because before embarking on her
Speaker 1: naturopathic studies, Dr Masi orned in undergraduate's degree and master's
Speaker 1: degree in Communication studies UM. So like she knows how
Speaker 1: to do marketing, like she got a master's degree um
Speaker 1: at at at Portland State UM University. So she she
Speaker 1: knows how to how to how to how to market
Speaker 1: people and sell herself UM quote from her website. Her
Speaker 1: skills and training interpersonal communication define her signature approach, which
Speaker 1: is to use the power of compassionate inquiry to guide
Speaker 1: each patient to value their own understanding and help discover
Speaker 1: what their best choices are for healing. So she she
Speaker 1: basically mar market markets herself as like an alternative to
Speaker 1: general to to like a general care provider that will
Speaker 1: help you treat everything from arthritis, allergies, infections all the
Speaker 1: way to like autoimmune disorders a d h D and cancer.
Speaker 1: This is all the things she advertises on her website
Speaker 1: that her like naturopathic remedies can help can help you know,
Speaker 1: treat um and naturally. The past few months she's been
Speaker 1: offering so called treatment and immunization for COVID nineteen UM.
Speaker 1: Part of how dr Amzi makes money is through homeopathic medications.
Speaker 1: The fancy name is homeo pro facsialists immunization. I probably
Speaker 1: said that perfect prophylaxis immunization, homeo homeo prophylaxis. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: like a prophylaxis, like a condoms of prophylaxis. It's a
Speaker 1: preventative treatment of some sorts. Yeah, this is a preventive
Speaker 1: treatment done with homeo homeopathic. It's nonsense. It's drinking water
Speaker 1: to cure your coaches. It's it's it's drinking water. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like the modern the modern origins come from eighteenth
Speaker 1: century Germany. Homeopathy is by and large a debunked pseudoscience
Speaker 1: that claims no highly deluded substances um, including including effectants themselves,
Speaker 1: can cure diseases, and that the most ard on a
Speaker 1: homeopathy that it includes two important facts, one of which
Speaker 1: is that most homeopathic medicines have no measurable amount of
Speaker 1: the medicine they're supposed to have, and at the one
Speaker 1: time they did it killed a bunch of babies, killed
Speaker 1: a bunch of babies or some ship. Yeah yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was deadly deadly night shade, deadly night shade from Highlands,
Speaker 1: all natural baby killing pills. Yeah so yeah so. But
Speaker 1: like you know, they believe the more substances deluded, the
Speaker 1: stronger the disease curing power is. You know, so most
Speaker 1: of these treatments are so deluted the base substances cannot
Speaker 1: even be detected, which isn't you know a problem for
Speaker 1: homeopaths since they actually claim that when even if you
Speaker 1: can't detect it, um, the water molecules that you're consuming
Speaker 1: can actually remember what the base the base substance is
Speaker 1: that they've encountered and act the same in your body. Um.
Speaker 1: You know. The treatments are you know, usually just placebos
Speaker 1: or or harmless because they're nothing. But you know, if
Speaker 1: they're improperly deluded, they could be deadly. In the case
Speaker 1: of the homeopathic teething products which contained deadly nightshade, which
Speaker 1: killed like ten ten babies and caused like hundreds and
Speaker 1: hundreds of serious serious um illnesses. So yeah, so in
Speaker 1: in in Dr Momsey's case, she would sell immunization pellets
Speaker 1: that allegedly contained tiny amounts of various diseases that the
Speaker 1: body could then naturally built up an immunity to. So like,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with all these like grifts. It's
Speaker 1: like you're just inventing a bad version of vaccines or like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you give it a little bit of the thing,
Speaker 1: then your body can learn how to fight it. But
Speaker 1: it's like, but it's the bullshit version that it's just
Speaker 1: completely nonsense. Um. And she provides many of these homeopathic
Speaker 1: immunizations to children, which she then also falsey claims satisfy
Speaker 1: the vaccine requirements for California schools. So she gives out
Speaker 1: her patients like false papers saying that they've been immunized
Speaker 1: for these things by giving them these pellets so that
Speaker 1: they can still attend schools even if they're not vaccinated.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the specific gripp that she was
Speaker 1: doing before covid UM. And then when covid started, she
Speaker 1: you know and specifically like when the vaccine stuff started
Speaker 1: gaining popularity, um, she switched to a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of focus on COVID and these COVID pellets. So
Speaker 1: it's unclear how long she's been selling these COVID immunization pellets,
Speaker 1: but it seems like they really started to take off
Speaker 1: around January when the vaccines were starting to get released
Speaker 1: to the general public, as she was offering these as
Speaker 1: a naturopathic alternative. It's a good thing. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: we need to do an episode one of these days
Speaker 1: on like the actual because there's a whole the reason
Speaker 1: that this is. I mean, it sounds like she did
Speaker 1: get in trouble, but the reason why most people do
Speaker 1: versions of this don't and the reason why she got
Speaker 1: away with it for as long is there is a
Speaker 1: whole legal framework set up to allow people to do this,
Speaker 1: and it's heavily embedded, particularly with the Utah Republican Party.
Speaker 1: UM Like it's a big it's it's all centered around Utah,
Speaker 1: as is the team treatment industry for a lot of
Speaker 1: a number of reasons. But it's like it's the same
Speaker 1: reason why um UM, that company we covered that does
Speaker 1: essential oils and stuff, was able to get away with
Speaker 1: so much bullshit, Like there's this whole legal infrastructure set
Speaker 1: up to allow people to sell folks medicine that isn't medicine.
Speaker 1: Uh and then protect them from liability when those people die. UH.
Speaker 1: And it's hugely embedded and specifically the Republican Party. UM.
Speaker 1: And there are a Democratic Party. Uh, it doesn't do
Speaker 1: anything about it because the Democratic Party, why would they
Speaker 1: do anything at anything? In any way here we are,
Speaker 1: it's been brewing for decades and in UH in April,
Speaker 1: someone whose family members had gotten these COVID immunization pellets
Speaker 1: from from Dr Mazzie tipped off the Department of Health
Speaker 1: and Human Services Office for the for the Inspector General
Speaker 1: to what was happening. And and this this prompted a
Speaker 1: federal and state investigation into the Dr Massey's operations. UM.
Speaker 1: This is now quoting a recent DJ report quote. Mazzi
Speaker 1: used the covidteen pandemic to expand the pre existing immunization
Speaker 1: scheme by selling immunization pellets that she fraudulently claimed in
Speaker 1: written documents and in consensually monitored recordings would provide lifelong
Speaker 1: immunity to COVID nineteen. Mazie explained that the pellets contained
Speaker 1: quote a very minute amount of this COVID disease unquote
Speaker 1: that can result in quote infectious symptoms with COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: or automatically flag the immune system's attention inducing immunity. So
Speaker 1: she's selling. The fun thing about this is she's telling
Speaker 1: people don't get the vaccine, it's dangerous, and then saying
Speaker 1: and then pretending her nonsense medicine works the way of
Speaker 1: vaccine actually works exactly. That's exactly incredible quote to encourage
Speaker 1: to encourage customers to purchase the pellets, as the allegedly
Speaker 1: exploited disinformation and fear of by falsely claiming the FDA
Speaker 1: authorized COVID vaccines contained quote toxic ingredients. Um mass. He
Speaker 1: further say that to her customers, if you could provide
Speaker 1: these pelts to children for covidentine immunization, and that quote
Speaker 1: the dose is actually the same for babies, so that's nice. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: As a general rule, if someone says the dose is
Speaker 1: the same for babies, that should be a red flag.
Speaker 1: It never is. Yeah, no, it should have. It shouldn't
Speaker 1: be that they're very small. Yeah. I mean like if
Speaker 1: my coke dealer was like and could given it to
Speaker 1: your baby the dose is the same, I would not
Speaker 1: find a different coke dealer because it's hard. I mean,
Speaker 1: my god, um but I would probably not hang out
Speaker 1: with him as much anyway, Sophie, trying to keep you employed. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no law against cocaine. It is decriminalized where you live.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Grison. It's fine that um in in a.
Speaker 1: In a recorded phone call, uh Mozzi instructed a fake
Speaker 1: client to quote pour roughly two to four pellets from
Speaker 1: the cap and dump them under your tongue. You do
Speaker 1: not have to drive yourself and say you're trying to
Speaker 1: pour exactly at four pellets exactly re pelts. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter. I mean, it's like, I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: the real medicine, the doses whatever. That is my favorite
Speaker 1: thing about the way California used to work is you
Speaker 1: would get a prescription for pot and it would just
Speaker 1: be a prescription for as much marijuana as you could carry.
Speaker 1: So like, whatever your problem was, if pot was prescribed,
Speaker 1: the dose was whatever. She said. She said, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like an energy medicine. So more pellets doesn't mean
Speaker 1: stronger necessarily. Okay, that makes sense, perfect sets yea. When
Speaker 1: asked what was in the pellets, Massey replied this, is
Speaker 1: from the COVID nineteen. It's made from this disease particles
Speaker 1: themselves getting her COVID. I do not know what the
Speaker 1: exact processes that this COVID n As long as they
Speaker 1: could extract the germs from the virus, they could make
Speaker 1: the remedy. With this method, we're tapping into what's known
Speaker 1: as the innate immune system. That's like a higher intelligence
Speaker 1: part of the immune system. I have got no idea
Speaker 1: where she's getting these pellets. No one the FEDS don't
Speaker 1: clarify where she's getting these. We have but the perfect
Speaker 1: way to frame it, because all these idiots already believe
Speaker 1: in like the you're only used ten percent if you're
Speaker 1: bringing you your innate intelligence, your instincts no more than
Speaker 1: like you know, book learning can never like. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get why this works. So do you know who
Speaker 1: doesn't sell COVID nineteen pellets? Uh? I mean we ought to.
Speaker 1: We could, We could, we could. She made a lot
Speaker 1: of money. We could too, Sophie, we're getting into the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pellet business. We are not. Yeah, we're selling pellets.
Speaker 1: Go back to talking about your cocaine dealer. I liked
Speaker 1: that better. May less money, I will send you pellets
Speaker 1: and I will use it to buy cocaine. There we go.
Speaker 1: All right, we're back. We are, we are indeed back,
Speaker 1: and I'm online trying to order disease particle pellets. See
Speaker 1: see how much I can sell them for in the street.
Speaker 1: It's it's a pellets. Hey kid, Hey kid, want some
Speaker 1: want some COVID pellets. I don't know the exact process
Speaker 1: for it, but as long as they extract the terms,
Speaker 1: it works. But the virus and them eat it, eat
Speaker 1: it all. I think, as many as you want life
Speaker 1: immunity and might make you sick, But that's fine. That
Speaker 1: just means it's working. Back to the ta shape report
Speaker 1: of quote. Mazzi also provided CDC COVID nineteen vaccination record
Speaker 1: cards to her customers with instructions on how to fraudulently
Speaker 1: complete the cards to false to falsely make it appear
Speaker 1: as if a customer had received two doses of the
Speaker 1: Maderna vaccine. As a part of her scheme, Mons provided
Speaker 1: customers with specific NAPA California Maderna vaccine lot numbers to
Speaker 1: enter onto the cards of instructions on how to select
Speaker 1: the proparted dates on which they had received the Maderna
Speaker 1: vaccines to evade suspicion. UM. The CDC confirmed to federal
Speaker 1: investigators that that actual Maderna lot numbers were used. UM.
Speaker 1: But the CDC in the California Health Department have no
Speaker 1: don't know how Mazzy got them because like she's not
Speaker 1: authorized to distribute or give out vaccines. It's like they
Speaker 1: don't know where she got these numbers from. I mean,
Speaker 1: she probably knows someone who told her or something, but
Speaker 1: like it's it's kind of unclear what exactly happened for
Speaker 1: how she got these cards and how she got these numbers. UM. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the original tipster who who tipped off the feds
Speaker 1: um got a dose of these pellets over the phone
Speaker 1: from Mazzi for for like a single dose of them.
Speaker 1: Doses were unclear, howny pelts that is, but you know,
Speaker 1: a dose for two hundred and forty three dollars UM. Now,
Speaker 1: we don't know how many people purchased immediately these COVID
Speaker 1: immunization pellets from from mazim. According to financial records federal
Speaker 1: investigators obtained from Square just like a digital payment processing company. UM,
Speaker 1: Mazie received approximately two hundred and twenty one thousand dollars
Speaker 1: from over a thousand transactions between January UM and UH
Speaker 1: and UH and May one UM. Most most of those
Speaker 1: transaction records do not note specifically what the payments were
Speaker 1: for UM. At least twenty five of them that total
Speaker 1: to be like almost eight grand are indicated to be
Speaker 1: for COVID treatment and thirty four other transactions are noted
Speaker 1: for being for homeopathic treatment. And you know this these
Speaker 1: like these like pellets related purchases UM. On July Julie
Speaker 1: Mazzy was arrested and she's been charged with one count
Speaker 1: of wire fraud and a one count of making false
Speaker 1: statements related to public care matters. She's the first person
Speaker 1: to face federal charges related to allegedly selling fake vaccines
Speaker 1: and cards U. She could face up to twenty years
Speaker 1: in prison, and she's she is facing a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in in fins at the moment um. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, like there's a lot more doctors who are
Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing. This is this is this
Speaker 1: is just the first one to get like caught and
Speaker 1: in trouble like this. This isn't this isn't an uncommon thing.
Speaker 1: You can find this basically every city, like every major
Speaker 1: American city, you can find someone doing this exact thing. Um,
Speaker 1: and it like and the don't even have to be doctors.
Speaker 1: Like back in May, um in owner of a bar
Speaker 1: got arrested on state charges for faking and selling vaccination cards.
Speaker 1: Quoting the New York Times quote, a California bar owner
Speaker 1: was arrested this week on charges that he had sold
Speaker 1: fake COVID nineteen vaccination cards at his business. Prosecutors say
Speaker 1: the owner, Todd Anderson of at Campo, California, uh Well,
Speaker 1: was arrested and charged with identity fact forging government documents
Speaker 1: and falsifying medical records, and having an unloaded registered firearm. UM.
Speaker 1: The COVID vaccine bar scam was also found out by
Speaker 1: someone tipping off the California Alcohol Beverage Board. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: like this, this, this this thing has happened. We're getting
Speaker 1: like new stories about people selling spake cards every month.
Speaker 1: Of course you can find a lot of these on
Speaker 1: eBay and stuff. Those are hard harder to kind of
Speaker 1: crack down on. Um. But yeah, like this this isn't
Speaker 1: a super uncommon thing. Um, But like as bad as
Speaker 1: people like Dr Marz r East. Their damage is relatively
Speaker 1: isolated now, Like she had over twelve thousand followers on Facebook,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't trying to become like a social media
Speaker 1: figure or anything. She didn't even really she didn't even
Speaker 1: like she didn't even like talk about covid or or
Speaker 1: her homeopathic like pellets um on her page. Because you know,
Speaker 1: she knew she was doing crimes. Um. But it's like
Speaker 1: she didn't talk about that kind of stuff. UM. Not
Speaker 1: the same case for the next guy we are talking about. Um,
Speaker 1: the next guy we're talking about is Dr Michael le Yedon.
Speaker 1: UM My my, my, my, My old parkoer friend actually
Speaker 1: told me about this guy. And for the past few
Speaker 1: months we u for the past that the past month,
Speaker 1: we've been kind of like trying to take as much
Speaker 1: information up about this guy as possible because he has
Speaker 1: a weird thing going on. UM. So, Dr Dr Michael
Speaker 1: eden Um is commonly referred to as the former vice
Speaker 1: president of FISER and the former chief science officer there.
Speaker 1: Uh that that's that, that's what he's called in the media.
Speaker 1: It's that's it's not it's not totally true, but it's
Speaker 1: it's true enough that people can use that to be convincing.
Speaker 1: Um and Uh. In the beginning of April, he started
Speaker 1: his crusade against both COVID vaccines and like trying to
Speaker 1: uncover the hidden truth about the pandemic in general. He's
Speaker 1: like a slippery little bastard. Like his his intentions are
Speaker 1: pretty muddy even after looking into him, you know a
Speaker 1: lot for the past few weeks, like all of the
Speaker 1: interviews he has going through his his like archives Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know what exactly his grift is. I
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's like a true believer in
Speaker 1: what he's saying or he's just trying to like find
Speaker 1: a new a thing to make money. It's he's he's
Speaker 1: like a super weird dude. Um. But the one thing
Speaker 1: that's clear is at last April, something changed in in
Speaker 1: in in needed like he became like a different person.
Speaker 1: Um A little Yeah, it's like something happened which either
Speaker 1: caused him to snap or he saw financial you know
Speaker 1: prospect um. So the first a little background on En himself. Um,
Speaker 1: he's he's currently married and he has two adult children. Um.
Speaker 1: And he's he's talked openly about having a tough childhood.
Speaker 1: He said his his His mother committed suicide when he
Speaker 1: was only eighteen months old, and his father, who was
Speaker 1: also a doctor, abandoned him when he was sixteen. Um.
Speaker 1: He was saved by a local social worker and adopted
Speaker 1: by a Jewish family, UM who apparently, like he says, like,
Speaker 1: turned his life around. Um. In the in the in
Speaker 1: the in the eighties, was a student at the University
Speaker 1: of Sir Surrey. So that's a place in the in
Speaker 1: the England part of the world. Um. So he was there.
Speaker 1: He got a bachelor's in biochemistry. Part of the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like like that section on the other side part
Speaker 1: of the world where it is it's it's it's in
Speaker 1: a town called Guildford or something probably perhaps completely different
Speaker 1: than that. But the British it sounds it sounds it
Speaker 1: sounds fake. Um. Yeah. But so yeah, no, we never
Speaker 1: apologize to British people. I apologize to in her hand,
Speaker 1: well I do not, No, yeah, absolutely not. Um. He
Speaker 1: received a bachelors in biochemistry and toxicology in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: five and he got a PhD in pharmacology in UM.
Speaker 1: During his time at the university, he was researching opioids
Speaker 1: and how they affect the central nervous system UM. After graduating,
Speaker 1: he worked at a drug and allergenic research lab in
Speaker 1: the UK for a few years, and then in he
Speaker 1: began working for FISER UK UM and by two US
Speaker 1: in six he did become the chief Science Officer and
Speaker 1: Vice president of the Allergy and Respiratory R and D department.
Speaker 1: So not not FISER as a whole, this specific small department.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't really matter because when you talk about this,
Speaker 1: like in media, you can just stay the former VP
Speaker 1: of FISER and then you're like, oh, wow, the former
Speaker 1: vice president is saying that vaccines are killing people. We
Speaker 1: should listen to him, Which you mean he didn't. He
Speaker 1: he was working. The unit he worked on was developing
Speaker 1: drugs to treat asthma UM and like respiratory obstructions. UM,
Speaker 1: so he was he was like the head of the
Speaker 1: allergy unit. Most of the reporting about Fightser and him,
Speaker 1: UH say that he that he left in twos and
Speaker 1: eleven is technically true, but I think paints a slightly
Speaker 1: different distorted picture. Um. There was a there was There
Speaker 1: was an old Forbes article written by one of his
Speaker 1: former friends back in seen that talks about the talk
Speaker 1: about Ian and his his his breakoff from Visor. Quote
Speaker 1: Dr Michael Ian, the seventeen year old Fighter veteran and
Speaker 1: Viser's R and D and and and head of Viser's
Speaker 1: R and D unit for the allergy section in Sandwich, England.
Speaker 1: Okay again not a real place, Sandwich, England. No, they're
Speaker 1: fucking with us, with us anyway. So Mike was told
Speaker 1: in the fall of tow Us in ten that Fightser
Speaker 1: was closing the allergy and respiratory disease program and his
Speaker 1: own role as the chief science officer of the group
Speaker 1: was being eliminated. Rather than see complement elsewhere, Mike had
Speaker 1: other ideas, so he didn't like leave Fightser. His whole
Speaker 1: branch got dissolved, and he like he his his his
Speaker 1: job got eliminated. Um And instead of trying to find
Speaker 1: new work at Fighter, he had the idea to start
Speaker 1: his own research company. Um. After talking, after talking to
Speaker 1: some of the higher ups at FISER, he got permission
Speaker 1: to license like Fightser compounds, like like you know, like
Speaker 1: the actual chemicals they use and like and you know,
Speaker 1: molecules and stuff. Um. So and eventually he found some
Speaker 1: investors in the US and he actually got he actually
Speaker 1: got the fightser investing board to also invest in in
Speaker 1: his in his new company, so he eventually got enough
Speaker 1: capital to get started. UM. Quoting Forbes again at this point,
Speaker 1: the virtual company known as z r Co. They all
Speaker 1: they picked the worst names for these biotech companies. It's
Speaker 1: they're all absolutely non sundse um. But the company now
Speaker 1: known as z r Co was often running. The team
Speaker 1: focused on its most promising asset, the z p L
Speaker 1: three eight nine and orally active histamine that is used
Speaker 1: to treat egema. So he worked. So, Uh, this guy
Speaker 1: started this company that was working on exema medications for
Speaker 1: a few years UM. And then in twent five years
Speaker 1: after he started the company, the Switzerland based pharmaceutical company
Speaker 1: No voratis. Again, we're terrible names. Um. Yeah, like there
Speaker 1: they're they're they're actually pretty big. But I just don't
Speaker 1: know how to say biotech company names because their nonsense. Um.
Speaker 1: But they they bought Eden's company for an upfront payment
Speaker 1: of three hundred and twenty five million dollars UM, and
Speaker 1: they promised to pay another million dollars if certain milestones
Speaker 1: in the drug treatments were achieved. Uh. They were counting
Speaker 1: on the anti of a drug to be a hit,
Speaker 1: and they claimed it had the potential to be like
Speaker 1: a new first class oral treatment to moderate to severe
Speaker 1: or exema. Now it's unclear how much money even himself
Speaker 1: made from the acquisition, um, but in January he tweeted
Speaker 1: that he made like millions off of off of the
Speaker 1: off of the founding and growing of this tech company.
Speaker 1: Which which is which is true? Like he made a
Speaker 1: lot of money. He didn't. He probably didn't keep all
Speaker 1: three hundred million, but he got a sizeable fortune. Um.
Speaker 1: Then Uh. Actually in last July, uh, no varata whatever? Uh,
Speaker 1: the novartist novartists disclosed that Internet you know it's bad
Speaker 1: when I'm correcting your pronunciation. Look, I don't know how.
Speaker 1: It's a Switzerland based biotech company. That's there's too many
Speaker 1: languages and too many nonsense for me for me to
Speaker 1: fairly certain. We hired you, we asked do you speak Switzerland?
Speaker 1: And you said yeah, that was the first and only
Speaker 1: question we asked. But last last July, the company disclosed
Speaker 1: that it had discontinued the the experimental m Egizma clinical
Speaker 1: development program and had had had to had to take
Speaker 1: an almost five million dollar right down on it. Um.
Speaker 1: They said the spokesperson for the company said that they
Speaker 1: decided to terminate the program after disappointing efficiency data in
Speaker 1: the early stage clinical trials. So they bought this company
Speaker 1: and hope that the strug would be the next big thing.
Speaker 1: Turns out the drug doesn't work, um and you didn't
Speaker 1: got tons of money out of the deal, so he wins,
Speaker 1: no one else does. Um And Also while he was
Speaker 1: doing his own work at at his company, he also
Speaker 1: was working as a consultant for a few different but
Speaker 1: for a few different US based biotech companies. UM And
Speaker 1: he hasn't really been up to much since he sold
Speaker 1: his company. He said he had to like partially retire
Speaker 1: due to medical issues. But also that was just that
Speaker 1: was a year after he made tons of money selling
Speaker 1: his company, so he could just be like dunk, like
Speaker 1: he's like in his fifties or sixties or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: like he can just not work anymore because he has
Speaker 1: probably hundreds, like at least a hundred million dollars, like
Speaker 1: so much money, um which now leads us to the plague. UM.
Speaker 1: During during the first few months of the pandemic, even
Speaker 1: seemed like a normal doctor, like a normal guy with
Speaker 1: no weird conspiracy theories. Um. In March, as the coronavirus
Speaker 1: was raging on in the UK, he didn't would publicly
Speaker 1: express the support for developing a vaccine. He tweeted out
Speaker 1: that quote, covidnineteen is not going away until we have
Speaker 1: a vaccine or heard immunity. All they can do right
Speaker 1: now is slow it's spread a week Plannarch. He tweeted quote,
Speaker 1: A vaccine might might be along towards the end of
Speaker 1: one if we're really lucky. Um, you know someone on Twitter.
Speaker 1: You replied to him saying that vaccine's harm many many people,
Speaker 1: and even replied, Okay, please refuse it, but do not
Speaker 1: repeat its flow or or or or or or try
Speaker 1: to get others who want to get it to is
Speaker 1: to not get it. Thanks. So it just seems like
Speaker 1: a normal doctor man who's like, oh, yeah, vaccines work.
Speaker 1: This pandemic is bad. We just need to stop. We
Speaker 1: need to stop the spread right now. And that's it.
Speaker 1: So like nothing, nothing of note. Someone named Mathi Manman
Speaker 1: who is at the Google head of research and development
Speaker 1: for divisions any names correctly, I think think that's correct,
Speaker 1: and take exam. They felt they must smelt math Ai
Speaker 1: and then mammon, which is mam than men. It's I
Speaker 1: think it's Mattia Garrison, Jesus Christ Swiss culture. I can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that probably is. Harrison probably doesn't know how to use
Speaker 1: Excel either. He's just like I use I use Google sheets.
Speaker 1: And you've never seen Wayne's world either. Yase Days anyway,
Speaker 1: the head of research development for the Pharmacool pharmaceutical division
Speaker 1: of Johnson Johnson posted a link on LinkedIn last year
Speaker 1: um that his company had started the clinical trials of vaccine,
Speaker 1: and Yiden responded, lovely, nice, nice to see this milestone.
Speaker 1: So like again, normal normal doctor man, nothing, nothing weird.
Speaker 1: And then April came and the u k's lockdown got extended.
Speaker 1: And as soon as the lockdown got extended in April,
Speaker 1: Eden sorted to drastically change his tone around the whole pandemic. Um.
Speaker 1: He grew increasingly frustrated about the lockdown extension and began
Speaker 1: ranting online about how lockdowns don't work and how how
Speaker 1: the early stage and he began the early stages of
Speaker 1: crafting his own conspiracy theories about about governmental control and
Speaker 1: fake COVID testing. So something happened in August that either
Speaker 1: broke him or he was he figured that he can
Speaker 1: make money off this. I don't know which it is,
Speaker 1: because he already had lots of money. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he's an older guy. Some people, you get,
Speaker 1: you have little I've heard theories some men as they
Speaker 1: age they have these little bity micro strokes that usually
Speaker 1: aren't like noticed, you're diagnosed, and it leads to because
Speaker 1: like a lot of guys have these weird personality shifts
Speaker 1: they get past a certain age, and you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he's having a bunch of little bitty strokes,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Yeah, so Ruters put together pretty
Speaker 1: good peace talking about how howiters. It's not it's it's
Speaker 1: not ruters relly. Why did they spell like that then,
Speaker 1: because it's pronounced reuters. She didn't grow up with the
Speaker 1: TV on you never like listen to TV news, but
Speaker 1: I learned. I learned spelling from Christian fascist protests. And
Speaker 1: the AP is an app. It's not app. It's not
Speaker 1: the app store. It's not the app store. That's a
Speaker 1: different store. Just so you know that in Australia, a
Speaker 1: router is actually somebody who who fox a lot. Yeah
Speaker 1: it is. It's rot Ye and other fun Australia. Fact
Speaker 1: they called drugs I think, particularly meth gear cool, which
Speaker 1: I have always found cool, Like, I think that's pretty rad. Actually, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I can't there's no oh, there's no oh in the
Speaker 1: word Reuters alight. Well yeah, but there's no I in
Speaker 1: team and we still pronounce it tim. So what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Yeah, well, so Reuters put together a
Speaker 1: piece trying to like break down how Ye didn start
Speaker 1: of changing his tone on certain things. Um uh. Quote,
Speaker 1: when Britain was still in its first lockdown last spring,
Speaker 1: he declared, quote there's nothing especially uh frightening about COVID nineteen.
Speaker 1: It will all fade away. It's just a common garden
Speaker 1: virus to which the world overreacted. I mean that was
Speaker 1: a pretty common, you know, anti COVID sentiment at the time,
Speaker 1: like oh, it's just like the cold. Um. And also
Speaker 1: he predicted in a subsequent tweet that it was quote
Speaker 1: unlikely that the death toll in the UK would reach
Speaker 1: forty which, uh that that thing is almost much higher
Speaker 1: than you here, almost quadrupled since then, that's told UK Okay, yeah, basically,
Speaker 1: um yeah. So in April he started changing his tone
Speaker 1: about things, and then by September, den statements were starting
Speaker 1: to attract attention beyond just twitter um. At the time,
Speaker 1: a movement had emerged in Britain against lockdowns and other
Speaker 1: restrictions meant to curb the disease. He and he co
Speaker 1: authored a lengthy piece on a website called Lockdown skeptics Um.
Speaker 1: It declared that the pandemic as an event in the
Speaker 1: UK was essentially complete and that there is quote no
Speaker 1: biological principle that that leads us to expect a second wave.
Speaker 1: Britain soon entered a much more deadly second wave about
Speaker 1: like a week or two later. Yeah, yeah, feels I
Speaker 1: think you shouldn't say are there won't be a second wave?
Speaker 1: You know, this shift is unsinkable, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Avoid those statements. So, like, looking at his old tweets,
Speaker 1: you see a man like purposely switching to bad faith,
Speaker 1: or you see a man like radicalizing himself by constructing
Speaker 1: false suppositions and then insisting that that's the way things
Speaker 1: are and that everyone else's perceptions are wrong. Like here's
Speaker 1: a tweet from like May quote there isn't gonna be
Speaker 1: There isn't gonna be a second wave. Professional epithemiologists, as
Speaker 1: those such in Sweden know this. It's biologically and mathematically
Speaker 1: impossible in the UK since since since a large portion
Speaker 1: of people badly hit by and badly hit countries have
Speaker 1: already had the virus. So like, he creates these like
Speaker 1: false realities, and then when the world does not follow
Speaker 1: his like bad math or logic, he thinks that there's
Speaker 1: some grand conspiracy making things go wrong because he's convinced
Speaker 1: that what he's saying is true, or he's acting in
Speaker 1: bad faith. Um, it's it's it's yeah, probably he's acting
Speaker 1: more in bad faith now. But I think back in
Speaker 1: I think he was actually just kind of radicalizing himself.
Speaker 1: Um and then there then here, Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So in October he wrote a second article for lockdown
Speaker 1: skeptic dot org where he says, quote, there's absolutely no
Speaker 1: need for vaccines to to extinguish the pandemic. I've never
Speaker 1: heard such nonsense talked about vaccines. You do not need
Speaker 1: to vaccinate people who are not at risk from what disease.
Speaker 1: So if that, if that doesn't make any sense to you,
Speaker 1: good it should it? Uh? See, Because he didn't believe
Speaker 1: that at the beginning of the pandemic somewhere between thirty
Speaker 1: and people were already immune from COVID nineteen because it's
Speaker 1: a coronavirus and we've had those before. He's written, He's
Speaker 1: written that even the common cold will probably make you
Speaker 1: a moon immune from COVID nineteen. Now that's not how
Speaker 1: things work at all, but that doesn't matter. Um, everyone's
Speaker 1: bad at everything. Yeah, so yes, uh So. At this point,
Speaker 1: he's granted on Twitter a lot and written to very bad,
Speaker 1: easily debunked articles on a very reputable website, Lockdown skeptic Um.
Speaker 1: But like no one knew who he was at this point.
Speaker 1: He was just like some dude screaming into the void.
Speaker 1: Um until late October when The Daily Mail gave him
Speaker 1: the opportunity to write a column. Uh So Eden in
Speaker 1: October wrote a column for The Daily Mail headlined three
Speaker 1: facts the Number ten Experts got wrong. Dr Michael Ian
Speaker 1: says claims that there that the majority population is susceptible
Speaker 1: to COVID are false, the only seven that's only seven
Speaker 1: percent of affected in people are false, and the and
Speaker 1: that the virus death rate of one percent are false.
Speaker 1: So he wrote this this big thing, and it it
Speaker 1: basically largely just repeats the lies that Yan wrote in
Speaker 1: his two previous Lockdown skeptic articles, but slightly repackaged in
Speaker 1: a more digestible lengthage the largest new paper in the world.
Speaker 1: Um it declared that the deaths caused by COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: which then totally about hundred entitled Britain, which he thinks
Speaker 1: grows overestimate, but he thinks he thinks that they'll fizzle
Speaker 1: out anyway, and that we should be immediately allowed to
Speaker 1: resume to normal life. Um. Of course, since then it's
Speaker 1: killed a lot, a lot more people. Um. But the
Speaker 1: Daily Mail op heed went viral among you know, the
Speaker 1: expected corners of the Internet, because like it's the thing,
Speaker 1: like fiser VP says that these these things that the
Speaker 1: experts are saying are all wrong. Um. The AP did
Speaker 1: a piece on app as as we call it, did
Speaker 1: a piece on that discussed the impact of Yiedon's column
Speaker 1: um quote. Screenshots of the article have amassed hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of views on Facebook and Instagram by accounts opposing
Speaker 1: masks and vaccination. Several posts echoed Yieden's comments with claims
Speaker 1: that the COVID pandemic is over, so like he he
Speaker 1: at this point, he just he just wanted lockdowns and
Speaker 1: that's to stop that. That's that's, that's what he was claiming.
Speaker 1: He he he had a whole bunch of fake claims
Speaker 1: about you know, the science of things. But like what
Speaker 1: he wanted out of it was just two people to
Speaker 1: go back to normal. Um and some some some social
Speaker 1: media posts circulating UH suggested that Yiden's opinions were credible
Speaker 1: because he because of his role as the former former
Speaker 1: chief scientists of of the Fight of the Fightser Allergy
Speaker 1: Respiratory Section. Um. You know, one quote on Facebook said,
Speaker 1: here we have it. The company making the vaccines says
Speaker 1: the pandemic is over and healthy people do not need
Speaker 1: a vaccine. So yeah, you know, you you only need
Speaker 1: like one small thing that you can extrapolate into a
Speaker 1: into like a catchy bit. And then it's then it
Speaker 1: becomes the company making the vaccines says the pandemic is
Speaker 1: over and healthy and healthy people do not need vaccinations. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, there's this problem keeps recurring itself.
Speaker 1: There's that guy at that town hall Biden did who
Speaker 1: like asked him, you know, as I talked about how
Speaker 1: is a small business owner the different uh government like
Speaker 1: welfare programs were hurting his business and stuff, and you
Speaker 1: look it up and it's like, well, he owns twenty
Speaker 1: nine restaurants. He's just angry that he has to pay
Speaker 1: people more, um, because he was bitching about having to
Speaker 1: increase pain and like, as a small business owner, I
Speaker 1: can't afford you, and like, yeah, do you want almost
Speaker 1: thirty restaurants? You're not a small But all that gets
Speaker 1: put across and like the fucking uh SoundBite is like
Speaker 1: Biden's hurting small business owners or whatever. Nobody ever does
Speaker 1: any additional work. That's all you need to be able
Speaker 1: to say. It's like the head of the fire fighter's
Speaker 1: virology lab says it's over exactly, Like well, no, he
Speaker 1: was years ago and he's and he wasn't even he
Speaker 1: wasn't even It wasn't even the virology lab. It was
Speaker 1: it was the allergy lab. Wasn't that lab, But like yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was that was what was repeated, you know,
Speaker 1: um yeah, yeah, because yeah, spacebook is a hell whole
Speaker 1: of death. Yeah and yep, Well in in later news,
Speaker 1: do what do you have anything you want us to sell?
Speaker 1: Robert Um, I have a book it's called After the Revolution.
Speaker 1: You can find it for free. We're not done. I'm
Speaker 1: doing an ad break. Oh you're doing an ad break. Jesus.
Speaker 1: We still we have a lot of talk about Still.
Speaker 1: You can't do that to me, Garris. I was implying
Speaker 1: that you wanted to sell Dick pellets. Someone who's going
Speaker 1: to punish you, Dick Pellett's ads in trouble. Okay for
Speaker 1: this and for the Swiss things router routers. God damn it.
Speaker 1: All right, we're back, Sophie and I are laughing at Garrison.
Speaker 1: We have to talk more. I have to say some
Speaker 1: British names here, so bear with me. Um, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know they're the worst, right in anything. British is so
Speaker 1: much we came from them. You you're even more directly
Speaker 1: British than I. Ah my god, we can't get like
Speaker 1: it's easier to talk about fucking Ukrainian names than British ones.
Speaker 1: These names aren't aren't actually that bad? Um? But so
Speaker 1: Soon after his Daily Mail piece, the British Host of
Speaker 1: Commons had at a debate about the government's response to
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and a parliamentarian named Richard Drax called Eden
Speaker 1: an imminent scientist and sid and it is a cool name,
Speaker 1: um and, but he sided his he sided that. He
Speaker 1: sided the view that the vaccine, that the virus is
Speaker 1: both manageable and nearing its end. Um And by November
Speaker 1: even started appearing in videos for anti lockdown groups um online,
Speaker 1: primarily on Facebook. So he was filming videos in his
Speaker 1: garage for UH for for these differentia and anti anti
Speaker 1: lockdown groups. As the discussion of the upcoming Fightser vaccine
Speaker 1: picked up the optics of like the x VP of
Speaker 1: Fightser helped ye did and gain a dedicated following. Um
Speaker 1: One Facebook post carries the video from November in which
Speaker 1: he even claims that the pandemic is fun fundamentally over,
Speaker 1: and the post has been viewed over a million times.
Speaker 1: His his videos on Facebook are extremely popular um and
Speaker 1: they're shared by various pages, you know, lots of like
Speaker 1: COVID hesitancy pages, a lot of COVID skeptic pages, a
Speaker 1: lot of vaccines excepted pages, a lot of like patriot pages,
Speaker 1: you know, all these types of things because he's like
Speaker 1: becoming their new celebrity, because he's you know, the x
Speaker 1: VP of visor UM. So as as December came and
Speaker 1: Fiser and Maderna were about to release their vaccines for
Speaker 1: for doctors. Eden made a very hard pivot to a
Speaker 1: like to a complete focus on anti COVID vaccine rhetoric um.
Speaker 1: On December one, of two US in twenty Eden and
Speaker 1: a German doctor named Wolfgang. Oh boy, wolf Gang? Whoa dog? Wow? Dog?
Speaker 1: Whoa dog? Yeah? That works? Um him, They filed an
Speaker 1: application and a petition with the European Medicine Agency and
Speaker 1: the FDA for the immediate suspension of all COVID vaccination studies,
Speaker 1: in particular the biotech and fightser one um quoting quoting
Speaker 1: the petition, the current study designs for phase two and
Speaker 1: three trials of the Fighter vaccine are inadequate to adequately
Speaker 1: assess effectively effective effectiveness effectiveness. Wow, I do not a
Speaker 1: say that word effectivecy That is weird. Efficacy. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: cut that Garrison, now, I'll cut that. Somebody else has
Speaker 1: to be knocked for not pronouncing things right. The petition,
Speaker 1: the petitioner and public will suffer suffer irreparable harm if
Speaker 1: the actions requested there when are not granted. Because once
Speaker 1: the after Gay lessonses is the COVID nineteen vaccination. Both
Speaker 1: governments and employees will make the product mandatory in general
Speaker 1: for and in general for airline or international travel. At
Speaker 1: the assignment of cases and non cases during the course
Speaker 1: of the trial is not accurate, the vaccine will not
Speaker 1: have been properly tested. The vaccine. If the vaccine is
Speaker 1: not properly tested, important public policy decisions regarding its use
Speaker 1: will be based on misleading evidence. So basically, he wanted
Speaker 1: to stop COVID vaccine testing because he thought the vaccine
Speaker 1: would pass the test. And if the vaccine passes the test,
Speaker 1: of peopleill start getting vaccinated. UM doesn't logic, doesn't fully compute,
Speaker 1: But you know he's doing it for his own for
Speaker 1: his own end Um. But there was one particular part
Speaker 1: of the forty page long petition application thing that really
Speaker 1: caught on and has had lasting effects. UM. In the
Speaker 1: letter Yeden and the German doctor Man stated that the
Speaker 1: Fighter vaccine blocks a protein that's keen the formation of
Speaker 1: the placenta in mammals. They claim that They claim that
Speaker 1: it's possible that women who receive the vaccine could become infertile,
Speaker 1: so that is where the vaccine causes sterilization. Things started
Speaker 1: from ill comes back to this guy and his little application. Um,
Speaker 1: this got reported by tons of you know, not very
Speaker 1: reputable outlets, but it's still very influential. You know x
Speaker 1: x X head of fightser uh says that COVID vaccine
Speaker 1: causes female sterilization. Is you know, the types of posts
Speaker 1: and headlines from you know, quack sites that got that
Speaker 1: got very popular. Um. Google searches for COVID vaccine and
Speaker 1: infertility skyrocketed by over over in the days after this
Speaker 1: this petition thing got posted. UM. Quoting Reuters, it's impossible
Speaker 1: to measure the impact of Vian's claim that COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: vaccinations could cause female infertility ancdotally, anecdotally, though many women
Speaker 1: have bought in. Bonnie Jacobson, oh Whitess in Brooklyn, New York,
Speaker 1: can't recall where she first heard about the fertility issue,
Speaker 1: but she but she told us that it has made
Speaker 1: her decision more hesitant to take the vaccine, as she
Speaker 1: liked to have a child sooner than later. That's that's
Speaker 1: why I'm in concerned, she said. Let more research come out.
Speaker 1: After initially declining to get vaccinated, she said, Um, she
Speaker 1: got fired at the tavern she works at. So this
Speaker 1: the the whole fertility thing really really caught on, um
Speaker 1: Bloomberg New yar and it's, yeah, it's you're already so
Speaker 1: scared when you get pregnant, right because like suddenly you've
Speaker 1: got this this thing growing and you're trying to make
Speaker 1: a person. Like there's a lot of scary things about that,
Speaker 1: and it's just so easy for people to um just
Speaker 1: slide right in there with their bullshit and it's very
Speaker 1: frustragrating Bloomberg News. But other peace tracking COVID misinformation in Asia,
Speaker 1: uh the like the the past few months, and they
Speaker 1: know that claims originated by ye didn't have caught on
Speaker 1: and spread way beyond just you know Yeden's writing and videos.
Speaker 1: You know, like the stuff he's saying is now just
Speaker 1: being repeated by other people. Um this past may, following uh,
Speaker 1: following Yeden's path, like a dozen Singapore doctors wrote an
Speaker 1: open letter questioning the safety of the MR and A vaccines,
Speaker 1: including a claim that the shots would change one's DNA. So, like,
Speaker 1: you see a lot of this stuff that you didn't
Speaker 1: sort of talk about is getting talked about bout other
Speaker 1: doctors who they're making similar like petitions and stuff in
Speaker 1: their local areas. Um. Yeah, things here in the States
Speaker 1: are going about as well as you would expect with
Speaker 1: the type of stuff because Eden has turned into a
Speaker 1: new anti VAXX like celebrity. He's like he's the new
Speaker 1: big guy. UM Writers points out that like references to
Speaker 1: Yeden's petition appear on the website of a group founded
Speaker 1: by influential vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Um, who
Speaker 1: has been recently banned from Instant Graham Uhn had had
Speaker 1: more bullet while he was a kid back then. Still
Speaker 1: either way, UM and uh there was another popular vaccine skeptic,
Speaker 1: Um Michel Malkin reported that uh Eden's shared Eden's concerned
Speaker 1: about fertility issues in a call him last month under
Speaker 1: the under the headline pregnant woman Beware the COVID shots
Speaker 1: UM and a blog post with an Alarmer's headline head
Speaker 1: of Fightser research COVID vaccine is female sterilization, which a
Speaker 1: thousands of times on Facebook. Um he got he got
Speaker 1: very popular in December and January for this particular kind
Speaker 1: of thing that he fabricated. UM. A lot of his
Speaker 1: former colleagues at Fightser say like they no longer recognize
Speaker 1: like Eden as the guy they once knew. You know,
Speaker 1: they used to describe him as like a knowledgeable and
Speaker 1: intelligent who was who was you know? Very evidence based
Speaker 1: um and generally didn't like to be like in the
Speaker 1: public eye very much. UM. An old friend of his,
Speaker 1: who hold the dreary in macular biology um uh, replied
Speaker 1: to a post Dean made on Twitter because in December,
Speaker 1: you made a post on Twitter with a with a
Speaker 1: sign that said ditched the mask. And Yan's old friend
Speaker 1: was like, Mike, what the hell are you actively trying
Speaker 1: to kill people? Do you realize that what you're doing
Speaker 1: is wrong and you're suggestionable result in deaths? Um? And
Speaker 1: he had, like a number of other friends from Feiser
Speaker 1: who have who have you know, talked about how they
Speaker 1: used to have like coffee with him and had a
Speaker 1: good time, that he always seem knowledgable and intelligent and
Speaker 1: a good scientist. UM. And I obviously disagree with Mike
Speaker 1: and his most most recent views. Uh, this does not
Speaker 1: sound like the guy I knew twenty years ago. So
Speaker 1: like a lot of a lot of weird weird stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: All of all of his old co workers and colleagues
Speaker 1: are just baffled. UM. Another another friend of his, was
Speaker 1: recounted here, recounted hearing you didn't in a radio interview
Speaker 1: last year. Quote there there was a tone in his
Speaker 1: voice that was nothing like I've ever remembered of Mike.
Speaker 1: He was very angry and very bitter. UM. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it is, it's it's there's a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: his friends are just extremely confused. UM and UH. And
Speaker 1: earlier this year, a group of his former fighter colleagues,
Speaker 1: UM wrote, wrote him like a private letter UM, and
Speaker 1: a version of it was sent to UM was sent
Speaker 1: to Reuter's UH. One section reads them We've become happisode.
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought about it, and I decided against
Speaker 1: it for this particular one. UM. I can go back
Speaker 1: later if we want, UM, but quote, we have become
Speaker 1: acutely aware of your views on COVID nineteen over the
Speaker 1: past few months. The single minded, this lack of scientific
Speaker 1: rigor and one side of interpretation and of often poor
Speaker 1: quality data is far removed from the Michael even we
Speaker 1: once respected and enjoyed working with. They also noted his
Speaker 1: you know, vast following on social media and the claim
Speaker 1: that infertility has spread globally. UM and they ended it
Speaker 1: by saying, we're very worried that you're putting people's health
Speaker 1: at risk. So even particular background gives him so much,
Speaker 1: so much potential danger, you know, even even more than
Speaker 1: like um, you know the guy who started the renaissance
Speaker 1: in in anti vaccine stuff. I mean, like he's he
Speaker 1: that got sponsil for a lot of deaths too. But
Speaker 1: like because of these, because of Eunan's connection to Fightser,
Speaker 1: he has like a lot of optics potential for these
Speaker 1: types of like conspiracy theory sites and and anti vax
Speaker 1: sites UM. And since January, as COVID vaccinations have become
Speaker 1: more available, Etan's gotten fully drawn in into the anti
Speaker 1: vacction conspiracy theory media ecosystem UM. In March, it was
Speaker 1: announced that he was going to be headlining the Awakening
Speaker 1: World Truth Summit. It's like the big conspiracy theory convention UM.
Speaker 1: It was it's been previously headlined by the likes of
Speaker 1: Alex Jones and David Ike UM. I watched his panel.
Speaker 1: It was very bad. UM. And then in May, June
Speaker 1: and July he has really kicked up the number of
Speaker 1: interviews for like podcasts and and documentaries UM and he's
Speaker 1: starting to give like a lot of like in person
Speaker 1: speeches at like rallies and stuff. Um, I've I've watched
Speaker 1: tons of hours of his speeches and stuff, and he's
Speaker 1: getting better at public speaking. He's he's like, he's like
Speaker 1: he's he's developing a set of talking points that really
Speaker 1: get like a reaction out of people. Um. Like he's
Speaker 1: figuring out like what things he says can get people
Speaker 1: the most the most like riled up. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, polishing different sections of speeches so he can
Speaker 1: like be a much better, you know, and much more
Speaker 1: influential speaker. Um. His current kind of greatest hits of
Speaker 1: like claims that he's saying, uh, his his probably the
Speaker 1: one he says the most is about asymptomatic infection. Um.
Speaker 1: He thinks that if you are not symptomatic, you cannot
Speaker 1: transmit any disease. He he thinks that like lockdowns are
Speaker 1: pointless because the only way you can trans transmit disease
Speaker 1: is if you are showing symptoms, otherwise you're not actually sick.
Speaker 1: That's the thing he repeats all the time. Um, And
Speaker 1: he thinks that lockdown because of because of this false
Speaker 1: claim that he's convinced himself of He thinks that, like
Speaker 1: the lockdowns are just like a government plot to control us,
Speaker 1: and you know, conspiracy x x x x x whatever. UM.
Speaker 1: Another one of his favorites is saying that variants aren't
Speaker 1: actually a problem because they either don't really exist or
Speaker 1: they're so similar to the initial strain that everyone should
Speaker 1: have immunity by now anyway, and we already know that
Speaker 1: that's not how COVID immunity works in the first place,
Speaker 1: Like like there are people who got sick at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic who got COVID again, like not
Speaker 1: not long after, Like that's that's not how it works.
Speaker 1: But that does not matter to uh to to eat
Speaker 1: in UM. And then besides all the stuff we've already mentioned,
Speaker 1: UM because relatively a lot of people, because so many
Speaker 1: people have gotten at least one dose by now, he
Speaker 1: Eten has kind of switched to talk from talking about
Speaker 1: vaccines to talking about booster shots a lot. He he
Speaker 1: insists that booster shots will kill you. He thinks that
Speaker 1: he thinks that booster shots aren't a thing, and they
Speaker 1: were invented specifically for this pandemic to kill people. UM.
Speaker 1: In late April one, in an hour long interview um
Speaker 1: eating as as described as the former vice president and
Speaker 1: chief SCIENTISTI visor um He a video of him went
Speaker 1: viral on Facebook, claiming that that the global government led
Speaker 1: vaccine role notes were a ploy to initiate a mass
Speaker 1: depopulation event. Um specifically, Dan said that recipients of the
Speaker 1: Bocher shots will die within two years. So he's he's
Speaker 1: had this mass depopulation kind of thing going on ever
Speaker 1: since April. That's kind of been another one of his things.
Speaker 1: He talks about a lot um in terms of you know,
Speaker 1: government governmental control. He's like, all the governments decided to
Speaker 1: invent covide at the same time, and they're planning something
Speaker 1: to depopulate the masses or whatever. It is, the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that he's talking about now. Um he like
Speaker 1: he does think that like COVID's real. He just thinks
Speaker 1: that most of us are already immune because we've already
Speaker 1: had a common cold before. Or he thinks that the
Speaker 1: treatments are extremely manageable. Like like he's he's a big
Speaker 1: supporter of hydroxy chloroquine. He thinks that he he thinks
Speaker 1: that that like can save everybody he's like the fact
Speaker 1: that people, the fact, the fact of the fact, that
Speaker 1: fact the doctors have not been giving that out means
Speaker 1: that doctors should be executed for crimes because they're wilfully
Speaker 1: not giving out this life saving drug. Um. And the
Speaker 1: last thing he's been harping on a lot is vaccine passports. Um.
Speaker 1: And he's he's still going on about this, saying like
Speaker 1: vaccine passports are the end of liberal democracy. And he's
Speaker 1: like constantly and saying like next week, vaccin, vaccin passports
Speaker 1: are gonna happen. You know, it's it's it's it's always upcoming,
Speaker 1: Like we're always just on the curb of making this
Speaker 1: vaccine passport thing. I mean, we haven's latest news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is losing his mind, Yeah he is. He is
Speaker 1: not he's not doing he is. Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's getting a lot of press, he's getting a lot
Speaker 1: of interviews, and you know, you know obscure podcasts, but
Speaker 1: podcasts that have like a big following though, because like
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is a very popular corner
Speaker 1: of the internet. UM. So yeah. The videos of his
Speaker 1: speeches and interviews have gone extremely extremely popular on Facebook
Speaker 1: and Instagram, with tens and thousand, tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: views sometimes millions um on on the platform, despite Facebook's
Speaker 1: effort to move such content. UM. Even and even when
Speaker 1: they do remove the content, that doesn't make things a
Speaker 1: whole lot better because I found that many people, instead
Speaker 1: of just posting videos straight to Facebook are now sharing
Speaker 1: bit huote links um to to two videos of Yeden
Speaker 1: talking about all of this ship UM one bit shoot link.
Speaker 1: I found that, I like, it's like an hour long
Speaker 1: video just passed over three d thousand views. I think
Speaker 1: it got like fifty thousand views in the past week. UM.
Speaker 1: And that particular video on but shoote ends in a
Speaker 1: pretty disturbing way. UM. And I've seen ye didn't have
Speaker 1: the same discussion in various interviews since then. UM, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna gonna quote, gonna gonna do a dramatic reading of
Speaker 1: the end of end of Yean's video here. Um. The
Speaker 1: Nazi doctors were pretty much all hanged for their crimes
Speaker 1: against humanity. And I'm sorry to say that NHS doctors
Speaker 1: who are ministering these agents vaccines to people who are
Speaker 1: not at risk from the virus because he leaves people
Speaker 1: aren't a risk because they're already immune um and are
Speaker 1: not telling them that they are experimental. Are also breaching
Speaker 1: the Nuremberg Code. And I believe the Nuremberg. We'remberber, Neremberg,
Speaker 1: no Uremberg. My mouse doesn't like so I I have
Speaker 1: there's something happen to me as a kid, and I
Speaker 1: had weird. I have a very narrow palette and extremely
Speaker 1: high top of my mouth and it makes a lot
Speaker 1: of pronunciation extremely difficult. Now I could have had this
Speaker 1: fix as a kid, but I didn't. That's like say,
Speaker 1: not being able to say Nuremberg, for not being able
Speaker 1: to say Ariana Grande or Beyonce. I've never heard of
Speaker 1: either of those people. And he closes this quote by
Speaker 1: saying that you know they are. They're breaching the code,
Speaker 1: and I think there should be a Nuremberg too. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing he talks about a lot and the interviews.
Speaker 1: He talks about how hanging of NHS doctors are like
Speaker 1: just around the corner, like we're gonna have to like
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to like put the people on trial
Speaker 1: and hang them publicly for their crimes. And that's goods.
Speaker 1: Almost no one responsible exactly. That's the thing, like I
Speaker 1: got bad names about what happened to the Nazi doctors,
Speaker 1: about the etsu. UM, and he also gives like impassioned,
Speaker 1: please for like trying to spread this type of information. UM,
Speaker 1: find other people like you who aren't quite sure but
Speaker 1: are suspicious, find people, find find someone else to talk
Speaker 1: to and UM. And if you and if you find
Speaker 1: someone that says, oh, I'm glad you said that, because
Speaker 1: I was I thought I thought this was lies to,
Speaker 1: then both of you can go find a third person.
Speaker 1: Once you've woken up and realize that you're being lied to,
Speaker 1: it's very frightening. Find someone else who feels the same.
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to be a little bit wrong. The
Speaker 1: people around you don't know any better than you do.
Speaker 1: If they're experts, and they probably won't be, But if
Speaker 1: they are, they'll be able to tell what you're saying
Speaker 1: is actually true. And if they, like you are, just
Speaker 1: are just suspicious not really experts, then they're not really
Speaker 1: going to be able to tell that you're wrong. So
Speaker 1: if you think something's wrong, you're right, go to go
Speaker 1: tell someone else who feels the same. Never look back.
Speaker 1: It's your last chance to rescue your own liberty and
Speaker 1: your children's and your grandchildren's So none of that makes
Speaker 1: any sense. Totally baffling, because like he's talking about, don't
Speaker 1: be afraid to be a little bit wrong about the
Speaker 1: things you're spreading. So like that was one of the
Speaker 1: most bizarre ends of his video because it's like he's
Speaker 1: telling people to be wrong about these things and he
Speaker 1: almost knows it, because like, ever since April he has
Speaker 1: just gone fully down this this client this like conspiracy
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. He is like he is becoming the new
Speaker 1: celebrity in this corner of the Internet. And that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of how he's developed into a person. UM. We're
Speaker 1: gonna end with some slight, slightly good news. UM. On
Speaker 1: this last February, some old tweets of his surfaced UM
Speaker 1: who's by by then Ian's account had all a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand followers on Twitter. Um, but but some old tates
Speaker 1: of his, like like like a few dozen of them
Speaker 1: were extremely bigoted and islamophobic. UM got screenshot at and
Speaker 1: shared around. Many of them are captured um uh in
Speaker 1: time by archive dot org. UM. And the next day
Speaker 1: Eden made his last tweet saying I'll soon be gone,
Speaker 1: and then two days later his Twitter account was gone. Um.
Speaker 1: His LinkedIn profile has also changed. He's now saying that
Speaker 1: he's fully retired, and a month later he made a
Speaker 1: final update on LinkedIn that says, I now seek opportunities
Speaker 1: to relocate to the USA and to continue opposing inappropriate
Speaker 1: policy responses to COVID nineteen. So he's planning, he's planning
Speaker 1: to move to the States and continue this vaccine misinformation
Speaker 1: celebrity thing that he's been doing. And that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of the that is where he's at now. Um he's
Speaker 1: July June. These he's like, uh, this summer, like the
Speaker 1: summer one, he has gotten extremely popular. Um he is.
Speaker 1: He is like he is like the spokesperson for this
Speaker 1: entire for this entire movement. He's polishing his talking points.
Speaker 1: Um yeah. And he's like constructed this false reality that
Speaker 1: he now like lives in and is just is just
Speaker 1: is saying saying things that to us make no sense,
Speaker 1: but are extremely influential to people who are already skeptical
Speaker 1: or who already aren't you know, don't like vaccines very
Speaker 1: much because of his connections to the Fiser company. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's why like his his his initial tensions are
Speaker 1: a little bit murky. It's harder. It's hard to see
Speaker 1: what exactly he's doing, Like he doesn't take donations or anything.
Speaker 1: He may he may be being paid for like appearances,
Speaker 1: but it's unclear if he has like any monetary goals
Speaker 1: from this. And then like you know, the previous vaccine
Speaker 1: the previous like doctor vaccine guy you know invested in
Speaker 1: the invested in those other vaccine companies, right um to
Speaker 1: to to sell those three, to sell the three separate
Speaker 1: vacs instead of instead of the world together. We don't
Speaker 1: know if Eden has any financial kind of things at
Speaker 1: stake here or if he's just doing this because he
Speaker 1: actually actually believes in it. UM. But he's getting tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of views on bit shoot, hundreds of hundred
Speaker 1: thousands views on bit shoot, millions of views on Facebook
Speaker 1: UM and his is just popularity has skyrocketed UM in
Speaker 1: the past few months, ever since he went down like
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. UM. And that is Michael Eden,
Speaker 1: former former allergy researcher and now the newest celebrity in
Speaker 1: the anti vax world. Well, I hope he falls off
Speaker 1: of the side of a cliff. I hope like that
Speaker 1: for him. I would like it if a bad thing
Speaker 1: happened and he was not around anymore. I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you? What do you? What else can you say? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean like there's there's nothing he can do. There's
Speaker 1: like nothing because like his damage has his damage is
Speaker 1: alread been done in a lot of ways. He's like,
Speaker 1: you can't find a way to do more. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the thing is he will find a way to do more.
Speaker 1: He'll find a way to do more. These people always do.
Speaker 1: And that's I don't know, Garrison, You've got a fun
Speaker 1: future to look forward to. We were good stewards of
Speaker 1: the world, buddy, man. When I was your age. The
Speaker 1: things we said about the Internet were so ridiculous. My god,
Speaker 1: it was gonna free humanity. It was gonna be like
Speaker 1: the end of of of control by these these these
Speaker 1: corporations and and evil governments, and people were going to
Speaker 1: finally be free and knowledge was going to spread to
Speaker 1: every corner of the globe. Garrison, we were so stupid,
Speaker 1: And now your whole generations fun. Sorry, man. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of kids at those anti at those
Speaker 1: anti anti anti vaccine rallies that has been appearing at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and all of those pages on Facebook. Most of them
Speaker 1: are moms, the ones that you know follow his weird
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory podcasts. Mm hmm yeah, yep. Well as long
Speaker 1: as he doesn't start publicly hanging doctors, I think no,
Speaker 1: we're good, I mean, god, at least eighteen months away
Speaker 1: from that. The I think the fact that he is
Speaker 1: trying to move to the States is telling for what
Speaker 1: he wants to do. But like where he sees a
Speaker 1: future for that guy and loss of status, you need
Speaker 1: us exactly. Yeah, but now you can talk about your book.
Speaker 1: I can, I can be can pivot to to to
Speaker 1: your book now? No, No, I just want do you
Speaker 1: have his address? Garrison? If you docks this guy yet,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you after the phone coast on. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: this has been behind the Bastards, the podcast where nothing
Speaker 1: good ever happens, but you keep listening anyway because you
Speaker 1: hate yourself. I don't know. Shit. That's not a good
Speaker 1: way to end a podcast episode. Um, so be how
Speaker 1: do we end a podcast episode? My computer is crashing
Speaker 1: right now, so it's time. We love about forty of
Speaker 1: you statistically speaking, statistically Dally Bye,